Speaker 1: This is me your podcast coming in you shirtless, severely
Speaker 1: vote bitten in my case underwear lissen. He can't predict anything. Um,
Speaker 1: everyone's familiar with the expression six and one half No,
Speaker 1: six and one right, six and one a half dozen
Speaker 1: in the other Yanni just has truncated it. He shortened
Speaker 1: it to where when there's a thing where there's a
Speaker 1: decision to make and and you know, going left and
Speaker 1: going right, there's no difference. Uh, He'll say, it's just sixes.
Speaker 1: But I can't take credit for that. You can't know.
Speaker 1: I think you invented that. The reason I bring it
Speaker 1: up is there's we have a full house right now,
Speaker 1: so I feel like you should do some intros. Oh
Speaker 1: I canna introduce everybody quickly. That's a good idea. That's
Speaker 1: a good yeah. I think with the A lot of
Speaker 1: times when you do the introductions it takes way too long.
Speaker 1: But as you like to do dealing cards. I'll start
Speaker 1: off to my left with Mr Johnson, who now is
Speaker 1: uh it right, shooting editor for both Outdoor Life and
Speaker 1: Field and Stream a lot of shooting a lot from Balzman.
Speaker 1: John Edwards, owner of says Balzman as well Mr Stephen
Speaker 1: Ronella Pete Munich, the sales manager from Stone Glacier. Is
Speaker 1: that what you do down there? You were a lot
Speaker 1: of hats, like they got to give you a bigger,
Speaker 1: get bigger business card. Just hand out full pieces of
Speaker 1: paper eight and a half resumes and Philip Larson and
Speaker 1: I don't know your title at Black Gold Archery that well.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm doing the design work. But I've been
Speaker 1: there for fifteen years, so I've also wore quite a
Speaker 1: few hats over the years. We go visit design. That's
Speaker 1: all I do. Rattle off what you guys make down there,
Speaker 1: tight spot, tight spot quivers, you ripcorded air arrests, and
Speaker 1: then black old bow sites and so if you've seen
Speaker 1: a black Old product from any of those companies in
Speaker 1: the last ten years, uh, I have none of that
Speaker 1: ship on my bow and that weird man. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Here you're sitting and here's my You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take my new rig over though we're gonna go over it.
Speaker 1: We'll have to change that. You didn't healthy get souped
Speaker 1: up though, make sure everything was ready to go. Let
Speaker 1: me accessorized, though many we can do that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make an accessorizing appointment. My father will be so happy.
Speaker 1: Now he can't stand listening when he doesn't know who's talking.
Speaker 1: This will be a much better experience. I like it
Speaker 1: because it builds tension when you can't tell who's talking.
Speaker 1: Very suspenseful. Did you guys other if you guys caught this?
Speaker 1: This is good. Where so dudes, a dude in Florida's
Speaker 1: fishing your clear water and un amer rights activist who
Speaker 1: is apparently coming from a protest at a fast food restaurant.
Speaker 1: So he's like, he's him and his boy are leaving
Speaker 1: a fast food restaurant protest, right, So he's jacked up,
Speaker 1: and he stumbles across some dude on a pier who's fishing.
Speaker 1: He's got a telapia. Dude's got a telapia like laid
Speaker 1: out on the pier and um, which is funny because
Speaker 1: it's like he's got like a non native, like a
Speaker 1: deleterious exotic, right, like a non native fish. And this dude,
Speaker 1: the AMA rights guy freaks out and grabs his fish,
Speaker 1: grabs the fish and hooks it back in the water.
Speaker 1: And this is I'm gonna make his shirt that says
Speaker 1: this because the AMA rights guy throws the tilapia in
Speaker 1: the water and yells. According to bystanders, he yells called
Speaker 1: the police, I just saved a fish his life. And
Speaker 1: the cop comes out and to wrest him and finds
Speaker 1: him five hundred bucks for showing the dude's thing. It's
Speaker 1: priority dead too. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't. He wasn't doing
Speaker 1: keeping wet. If it sounds like yet it laid out
Speaker 1: its laying on the pier for pier. My buddy NiFe
Speaker 1: I wrote in with this, this is interesting. We're just
Speaker 1: doing a little that. If you boys aren't familiar, we
Speaker 1: just doing a little recap news recap things that mugs
Speaker 1: right in about people getting all mad about stuff we
Speaker 1: said that wasn't correct. Um hunters right especially these days,
Speaker 1: or eyes yacking up um the significance of our contributions
Speaker 1: to the wildlife restoration program. Pittman robertson fund my buddy
Speaker 1: ni fi um rights in and he this is some
Speaker 1: older numbers, but no one ever compiled them before, Like
Speaker 1: I said, like hunters are I was like, oh, hunters
Speaker 1: do all this good, you know, through excise taxes charged
Speaker 1: on firearms and ammunition. The money that goes to wildlife.
Speaker 1: So I should back up. When you buy archery equipment,
Speaker 1: you buy firearms, you buy ammunition, a sword, and other things,
Speaker 1: even boat gas. Right in some marine boat gas, there
Speaker 1: are excise taxes that you pay, and these exercise taxes
Speaker 1: go to wildlife restoration programs, so they pay for wildlife.
Speaker 1: And um it's been you know, these programs have been
Speaker 1: funding wildlife for eighty years to the tunes of billions
Speaker 1: of dollars. Uh. The Pittman Robertson fund is the one
Speaker 1: that comes from ammunition and firearms, and uh of the
Speaker 1: um money that comes in of firearms sales dollars. So
Speaker 1: so the more the excise taxes and firearms only can
Speaker 1: be assigned to hunting purposes, eight are from non hunting shooters.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of So it should be like the
Speaker 1: little old ladies who have a pistol for personal protection
Speaker 1: should be like Pittman Robertson, bro. But it's like hunters
Speaker 1: are talking up all the time. Only comes from hunters,
Speaker 1: that's right, and that there's a big tension there between
Speaker 1: hunters and shooters. Because if you read the Act, you
Speaker 1: know we talked about um it going to wildlife, but
Speaker 1: its specifically says in there for also shooting range development.
Speaker 1: And this has been a burn under the saddle of
Speaker 1: a lot of shooters over the years who feel like
Speaker 1: that they're not getting their fair shake in that equation
Speaker 1: and they've actually got a really really good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have a good point. Um, I understand it. It's
Speaker 1: like one of those things, you know, those situations jam
Speaker 1: where there's like right and wrong and then what you hope. Right,
Speaker 1: So it's like right and wrong, be like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: you look at that, like you look at those numbers. Well,
Speaker 1: just to follow up on that, so that was firearms
Speaker 1: ammunition point six hunting purposes, seventy three point four for
Speaker 1: non hunting purposes. It's a little bit of a slightly
Speaker 1: different but basically the same thing in terms of like
Speaker 1: what's right and wrong and then your hopes. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you look at the right and wrongness. They should have
Speaker 1: a big seat at the table shooters right around shooting
Speaker 1: facilities whatnot. Um, but dude, I hate to like like
Speaker 1: I hate to starve the wildlife funds, right, Yeah, no
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't want to do that. But I
Speaker 1: think this is something, this is part of a bigger
Speaker 1: conversations about where our world is talking, you know, because
Speaker 1: hunters need shooters for exactly this reason. You know, the
Speaker 1: shooters are the ones who are carrying the freight to
Speaker 1: help us pay for these conservation programs. You know. Likewise,
Speaker 1: I think shooters need hunters in terms of um just
Speaker 1: the general issue over gun rights and gun access and
Speaker 1: everything else. I think hunters play a key role in that.
Speaker 1: But it's it's this dynamic where sometimes these two populations
Speaker 1: are squaring off against each other, and I think a
Speaker 1: slightly deeper look shows that there's really a mutually necessary
Speaker 1: kind of relationship that needs to be foster. But from
Speaker 1: the shooter standpoint, you know, we as owners. I'm also
Speaker 1: a shooter, but have to maybe give them a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a place at the table and give
Speaker 1: those issues because if people don't have places to shoot,
Speaker 1: the ankingna hunt either. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's a symbiotic relationship for sure, But I think
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. The Pittman Robertson Act was
Speaker 1: originally enacted for the purpose of restoring wildlife. The Wildlife
Speaker 1: Restoration Act it is. But you read you read the language,
Speaker 1: it says shooting range development right in it and the
Speaker 1: original act from Franklin Roosevelt, that original act like from
Speaker 1: the Roosevelt. Absolutely, because what I was gonna say is
Speaker 1: it's it's not static. I mean, it could very well
Speaker 1: be that that we need some new legislation or something
Speaker 1: to address some of the needs of the shooting community
Speaker 1: that are not necessarily high. It's it's already, it's already
Speaker 1: in there. I mean, the you know, the thing is
Speaker 1: is that and you know you kind of think about it.
Speaker 1: How many hunters do you know? I'm on the same
Speaker 1: box of Remington corelocks I've been using for five years.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you buy twenty shells and is
Speaker 1: this is good for ten years? I wanted to check
Speaker 1: my zero on right on. Thank thanks for pulling on
Speaker 1: the oars, buddy. We appreciate your support as opposed to
Speaker 1: the guy who's buying you know, uh you know, uh
Speaker 1: ammo canca to two three every other week and just
Speaker 1: you know, hosing down steel at the target. That's the
Speaker 1: guy who's financially contributing. I knew, Listen, it was a
Speaker 1: shock to me when I read it this morning. I knew,
Speaker 1: like I I if you'd have had me lay it out.
Speaker 1: I probably I wouldn't have laid it out at that.
Speaker 1: I would have laid it out at like, uh, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gone fifty fifty, but I wouldn't have gone
Speaker 1: I would have been somewhere in the I've been out.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, for every dollar I spend as a
Speaker 1: hunter someone, there's four other dollars being spent by target shooters.
Speaker 1: For every dollar that, every dollar or years that winds
Speaker 1: up into the Wildlife Restoration Fund. Shoot well, shooters, shooters,
Speaker 1: so recreations, shooters, target shooters, defensive handgun that what's the
Speaker 1: what's the data on the overlap up there? Because here
Speaker 1: in Montana, I'm looking at at Matt Miller and we, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we just joined this awesome new shooting facility
Speaker 1: in three Forks, Montana. Uh that Glenn dem Ray is running.
Speaker 1: But there's gonna be a tremendous overlap between shooters and
Speaker 1: hunters at least, well especially well, I think that they're
Speaker 1: trying to pull out, like of course there's different people.
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of pulling out like what the
Speaker 1: purpose was for? So okay, so ammunition and firearms combined,
Speaker 1: here's the real Okay, so I was giving me the
Speaker 1: numbers wire have separated out, but NiFi also sent the
Speaker 1: numbers for combined combined twenty two point five percent can
Speaker 1: be assigned to hunting purposes. In the remainder seventy seven
Speaker 1: point five to non hunting purposes. They were not It
Speaker 1: was not possible to here. Here's interesting. It was not
Speaker 1: possible to assess archery sales. Lord knows how they do it.
Speaker 1: I'll get clared, I'll get some clarification, and I'll and
Speaker 1: I'll try to explain how the n s s F
Speaker 1: pulled up these figures. I'm doing something with the NSSF
Speaker 1: right now around their child safe storage program, which we're
Speaker 1: gonna be launching pretty soon. Um, we're talking about trail
Speaker 1: cams and how for a while we're talking about trail
Speaker 1: cams and my feeling that even though I use them,
Speaker 1: my feeling that at some point we're gonna wind up
Speaker 1: needing to have like a reckoning with trail cameras the
Speaker 1: way the same way we had to have a reckoning
Speaker 1: with drones. Right It's it's gonna be that, like in
Speaker 1: the not so distant future, you're gonna have all these
Speaker 1: live feed trail cameras, and basically the temptation would be
Speaker 1: just like to hunt off a lot, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: be out in the woods turkey hunting with and you've
Speaker 1: got you know, a dozen live feed cameras going and
Speaker 1: you just kind of scroll through and find out where
Speaker 1: you ought to walk over and you know, set up.
Speaker 1: It's not I mean, that's not far off at all.
Speaker 1: You can basically do it right now. Yeah, that already,
Speaker 1: that completely exists right now. Yeah. And my thing that
Speaker 1: like not even at like forgetting me advocating on it.
Speaker 1: My prediction that state agencies are going to take steps
Speaker 1: to get out ahead of this um. And a lot
Speaker 1: of guys wrote in to clarify that. In Nevada on
Speaker 1: public land, we'll get a bunch of notes about hard
Speaker 1: to said that word. In Nevada on public land, no
Speaker 1: trail camps August one to December thirty one, and Montana
Speaker 1: was doing the same thing and quit doing it, just
Speaker 1: changed they change it back again. It was legal, then
Speaker 1: it became illegal, then it became legal. God love no
Speaker 1: that thinking, Yeah, they're all over the map. I mean
Speaker 1: it was it was as long as I've been here,
Speaker 1: not legal to have cameras up during hunting season. I
Speaker 1: remember when it became ill you were here before I was.
Speaker 1: You know another thing we're talking about sent blockers. This
Speaker 1: is when we had Mark Kenyon from Wire to Hunt,
Speaker 1: who's a frequent guest, sent blocker stuff. Right, do your stuff?
Speaker 1: You spraying yourself so you don't smell too dear? And okay,
Speaker 1: this is two things we were talking about. We're talking
Speaker 1: about scent blockers, and then we were talking about how
Speaker 1: good dogs can smell, and like what dogs smell and
Speaker 1: how dogs knows his works. So this is kind of
Speaker 1: a combo deal. We're Another guy who works in canine
Speaker 1: units rolled in and he was saying, when all the
Speaker 1: scent blocker ship came out, all these sprays and all
Speaker 1: this in the canine world, in the law enforcement canine world,
Speaker 1: they started to get very concerned about what would be
Speaker 1: the implications love these products on their ability to pursue suspects,
Speaker 1: detect drugs. You know what I was watching here and
Speaker 1: I just quick side note. Have you guys seen Mike
Speaker 1: Judges Tales from the Tour Bus is the greatest. It's
Speaker 1: an animated series of all the outlaw country people. We
Speaker 1: gotta get Pets Part one. Dude, it's it's like by
Speaker 1: the guy Mike Judge, you did like family guy right, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they got like it's on Cinema, you can buy
Speaker 1: it on iTunes. It's it's a Cinemas original, but I've
Speaker 1: been buying it on iTunes and it's like, so it's
Speaker 1: Tammy Wynett and George Jones Part one and two, Johnny
Speaker 1: Paycheck Part one, and it's mostly about just the amount
Speaker 1: of drugs and gunplay that went on in that world,
Speaker 1: and then Whalen Jenny's Part one into every episode they're like,
Speaker 1: is a every episode it's just the crazy ship that
Speaker 1: those guys are up to. But in it they're talking
Speaker 1: about one time they're going into Canada and Willie Nelson
Speaker 1: was so concerned about his tour bus that they stopped
Speaker 1: and had it steam cleaned and like ultra cleaned to
Speaker 1: get into Canada. And he said, this guy says, when
Speaker 1: the drug dog comes down to Willy Nelson's bus, it
Speaker 1: doesn't like smell around, it just comes and sits down.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like where on the bus. It was
Speaker 1: the bus damn vehicle. So that leads me to the
Speaker 1: canine thing. So you said they got real concerned about this. Um,
Speaker 1: and you're saying they mixed results. Okay, so with scent blockers,
Speaker 1: the dogs always still found the items or persons. When
Speaker 1: using scent blockers marketed the White tailed deer hunters and
Speaker 1: the time, but the time was kind of miniscule. He
Speaker 1: remembers one example with a dog trying to find a person.
Speaker 1: The dog normally could find the person an eight to
Speaker 1: ten second time range. He calls this meniscule. It's normally
Speaker 1: eight to ten second time range. But with scent blockers,
Speaker 1: it took one dog forty seconds to find the person. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're bow hunting, dude, that is an eternity EO
Speaker 1: from ten to forty is that would have for me,
Speaker 1: meant a shot this year out of a very nice
Speaker 1: buck a week ago. But he goes to say some
Speaker 1: dogs showed zero effect, that some dogs time was not affected. Um,
Speaker 1: here's the other funny part. Once you expose the dog
Speaker 1: to the scent blocker, there was zero impairment. They learned
Speaker 1: to deal with it very quickly. Um, they did determine
Speaker 1: some agencies determine that the product confuses some dogs with
Speaker 1: their ability to seek out the location. Of the scent,
Speaker 1: so they know it's there, but locating it becomes different. Now.
Speaker 1: Scent covers where you're adding other highly potent scents, or
Speaker 1: you infuse items and natural sense to animals are used
Speaker 1: to are more effective at disturbing a dog's ability, more
Speaker 1: effective than scent blockers, but it does not stop the
Speaker 1: dog from doing their search. He spoke with a guy
Speaker 1: and al Uh from the province of Alberta and and
Speaker 1: she she spoke with a woman from the Province of Alberta.
Speaker 1: And they've been looking at this to all the different
Speaker 1: dog handlers and all the different agencies, and they determined
Speaker 1: that scent blockers pose zero risk when their dogs are searching.
Speaker 1: As new products come out, they always test them on
Speaker 1: dogs and the dogs knows isn't a deer zels, but
Speaker 1: it still it's kind of interesting, right, um. I want
Speaker 1: the woman from Alberta who's a canine trainer. She pointed
Speaker 1: out that she's also an avid hunter and from her
Speaker 1: look at it, she thinks that the worst thing you
Speaker 1: can do is wear a scent blocker because they're so
Speaker 1: popular in her opinion of deer do in fact become
Speaker 1: educated with sounds and seeing humans as a threat. She
Speaker 1: feels that deer are more likely to associate that very
Speaker 1: powerful smell with humans through exposure, just like how dogs
Speaker 1: do the blocker or the cover blockers exact to think
Speaker 1: the blockers supposed to smelling anything. I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: the sca whatever one. I might have mixed it up
Speaker 1: somewhere whatever one is where you're doing added odors acting
Speaker 1: like a pine tree or I've always been suspicious of
Speaker 1: those things ever since. This was years ago when sentlock
Speaker 1: was first coming out and they made a big push
Speaker 1: because I don't think that those guys even believe in
Speaker 1: their products. Yeah, I can't speak to them. Well, here's
Speaker 1: what I mean that the outfits that you put on
Speaker 1: the charcoal, the charcoal off it. So anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: this was this big thing, new tech, gonna go try
Speaker 1: this oute. Isn't this fascinating? Dear can't smell you? So anyway,
Speaker 1: end up they invite me on this hunt down to
Speaker 1: Texas and it's a classic Texas hunt where I'm in
Speaker 1: a blind and as some mesquite patch with a shooting
Speaker 1: lane cutting cut down in a damn feed or a
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, and I'm sitting there with don't make
Speaker 1: this a dog we have Listen, can I interrupt turn
Speaker 1: it into a really nice thing about Texas because we
Speaker 1: have I've been getting a lot of emails from a
Speaker 1: lot of Texas where like, you guys have no clue
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, and you're taking this enormous state
Speaker 1: and where you got like guys hunting Sam Houston National
Speaker 1: Forest and knocking it out, and like hunting public land
Speaker 1: and busting their asses. You got guys out in the
Speaker 1: West Texas busting their asses. And all we're ever talking
Speaker 1: about is some dude in Texas in a three acre
Speaker 1: fenced area with corn. They're like, shut up, Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you don't know Texas. I will sing the praises of
Speaker 1: West Texas any day in Texas too. It's great. It's
Speaker 1: great hunting West Texas and the rest of it, at
Speaker 1: least in my experience. So anyway, I'm starting. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start like moratorium on dogging on Texas because I would
Speaker 1: like to read it. But it was like a book
Speaker 1: length piece where a guy broke Texas into a bunch
Speaker 1: of regions and explain the hunting cultures in each region.
Speaker 1: And we have been doing a horrible job of pigeonholing, Texas. Okay,
Speaker 1: so in anyway, and I was in an undisclosed location
Speaker 1: with a lot of mesquite and a deer feeder, and uh,
Speaker 1: sitting next to music was like Texas. The Centlock guy
Speaker 1: who I was with is smoking cigarettes in the blank
Speaker 1: text to me, and I was just like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I know everything I need to know now
Speaker 1: about seth. You sure it wasn't rolled alfalfa? It was
Speaker 1: like an LFLA joint. Pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure. So I've no, I've never been uh um.
Speaker 1: And also I'm just lazy. I don't have time to
Speaker 1: do all but sent block. What was the clothes with
Speaker 1: the charcoal in it? That was sent Lock? Sent Lock?
Speaker 1: Didn't they have a bit of a like an expose?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it like a kind of like an actual expose
Speaker 1: about cent long? The thing is is they have There
Speaker 1: was also dead down range? Remember that that like the
Speaker 1: breath mints they're supposed to Like, I mean, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this stuff is all snake oil because
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually make it out of snakes.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. I've just never quite
Speaker 1: wrapped my head around that, because I've done sent work
Speaker 1: with dogs before and it's amazing what they can pick
Speaker 1: up and the idea that we're somehow shielding off all
Speaker 1: this stink that we throw and the industry is always
Speaker 1: looking for a silver bullet. And a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys that I know who are very successful hunters are
Speaker 1: just hard hunters. You know. It's like, what's the next gadget,
Speaker 1: what's the next thing, what's the you know, what's gonna
Speaker 1: make me a better Oh? Now I got this gum
Speaker 1: I can chew now, you know, or then, or ozonics
Speaker 1: or anything like that. A lot of the a lot
Speaker 1: of the old timers used to believe in camp fire
Speaker 1: smoke as a cover center, now as a cover cent.
Speaker 1: The thing I've always wondered about is just the confidence factor.
Speaker 1: So a guy goes out there with the new gizm
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now he's more confident. Does
Speaker 1: that help help mark? The Mark Kenyan Wired to Hunt approach,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate is he's like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, um, but let's say I do all of
Speaker 1: these things which aren't that big of a deal, not
Speaker 1: that hard for me. To do. I do them all unless, say,
Speaker 1: one of them gives me ten percent better chance, I'll
Speaker 1: take it because the things I'm doing I know aren't negative.
Speaker 1: Or if each one is give me one percent better.
Speaker 1: And he talked about He's like here, this guy is saying, oh,
Speaker 1: it's miniscule, ten seconds, forty seconds. Mark's like, maybe it
Speaker 1: gives me a second, Maybe it buys me a second,
Speaker 1: but not that big. It's not hard for me to
Speaker 1: do these things. That didn't. The gal say, maybe the
Speaker 1: deer get used to it, you know, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden now it's working against So yeah, you pass
Speaker 1: that buck one year and next year he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's the dude who tried to shoot me. He passed me,
Speaker 1: not this year. This guy goes on to say, as
Speaker 1: a side note, his dog, um, the neighbor's dog. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: as a side not, his neighbor's got a Belgian mellow.
Speaker 1: How do you say that, Yannie, I don't know the
Speaker 1: Belgian MELANOI. Yeah, it's um. This dog is trained and
Speaker 1: explodes his location and suspect apprehension. This dog is so
Speaker 1: damn good that when he started messing around with a
Speaker 1: single pin slider for his bow and trying to get
Speaker 1: out to hunter yard mark. He's losing a fair bit
Speaker 1: of arrows. He's saying, you can take that that sun
Speaker 1: bitch and dog and take another air audio quiver and
Speaker 1: run that arrow into that dog's nose and that thing
Speaker 1: will go find your arrow two or three passes. It's
Speaker 1: got your arrow. That's impressive, man. One if it's smelling
Speaker 1: the human out it speaking of dogs, tell Yannie, this
Speaker 1: is the Yannis. This is let. We've been covering the
Speaker 1: McLean Yes, tree stand Steeler heavily. This is the last
Speaker 1: we're gonna say about the tree stand Steeler. But it
Speaker 1: has a good dogs as I want to roll it in.
Speaker 1: You guess no, big famous Andrew McLean from I think
Speaker 1: he's in Park City, is right outside of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: And this guy wrote a book about skiing the Now
Speaker 1: we're gonna get in trouble again. How did the guy
Speaker 1: mostly a half dozen people telling you how to pronounce
Speaker 1: you look like you're cocky about it. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: Wassatche Front. Yeah, so when you need to say it,
Speaker 1: pause and Pete's say it. Just you wrote a book
Speaker 1: about skiing the Wasatch Mountains. And I wouldn't call him
Speaker 1: a famous skier, but almost famous. Anyways, he decides to
Speaker 1: in his own words, clean up the woods around his
Speaker 1: house for the bull cutter with a bull cutter and
Speaker 1: stole a two tree stands in a in a trail camera,
Speaker 1: but did not realize that the hunter had a second
Speaker 1: trail camera in the same location, and that's caught Andrew
Speaker 1: and his wife stealing the stands and packing them out
Speaker 1: of the woods on public land. Yeah, totally legally placed thing.
Speaker 1: But the real the reason I keep talking about this
Speaker 1: really puts the real burn my saddle. It's like there's
Speaker 1: people in the ski world and stuff who are like applauding,
Speaker 1: applauding him for this, which is public land. Did it legally?
Speaker 1: It was? It was some hardware and the public I
Speaker 1: just I just watched Valley Uprising the other night, and
Speaker 1: this one guy back in the seventies put a bunch
Speaker 1: of bolts in Yosemite, and then this other climber that
Speaker 1: hated him went up the next week and busted every
Speaker 1: piece of hardware off the wall in an effort to
Speaker 1: make a statement that he didn't agree with putting this
Speaker 1: hardware into nature. So this seems very similar. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of the tree sound one we're climbing bolts in yrsemit,
Speaker 1: but I think both legally placed. Yeah, it's like it
Speaker 1: pisces me off, only because some people are acting like
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, we even had a guy who like
Speaker 1: just started home. He's like, I understand because hunters leave
Speaker 1: a lot of litter in the woods. Come on, we'll
Speaker 1: go ahead. No, I thought you were gonna finish it.
Speaker 1: Talked about the dollars. Now, how the oh you wanted
Speaker 1: me to explain the whole story, just like I supposed
Speaker 1: to be a slick I know. I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna tell us a story. So how he ends up
Speaker 1: finding Andrew and putting putting the pieces altogether is that
Speaker 1: they had their dog with them when they were doing this,
Speaker 1: uh forest robbery. And it was a Burmese mountain dog,
Speaker 1: Bernies mountain dog. And he figures it's not that many
Speaker 1: around all sort of cruise the neighborhoods around this trailhead
Speaker 1: that he most likely used and sees his dog pops up.
Speaker 1: So he's cruising down the road. Sure enough, there's a dog,
Speaker 1: a dog and by himself, no leash, no owner. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it is fallow this he's mountain dog. He follows it
Speaker 1: down the road a little bit, and he goes right
Speaker 1: up to the front door and opens the door. There's
Speaker 1: Andrew's wife. He's like, I recognize you met trial camera pictures. Yikes. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: another area don't want to talk about. We're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy. Do you Hember what state it was where
Speaker 1: the guy served the kangaroo meet. A lot of feedback
Speaker 1: on So dude that runs a hot lunch program in Nebraska.
Speaker 1: This is a long news segment. Is this the last
Speaker 1: bit of news? No? Yeah, dude, like he runs a
Speaker 1: hot lunch program besides to buy some kangaroo meating like
Speaker 1: cut it in with the beef. Oh god for whatever?
Speaker 1: Like whyever? He thought it sounds like a good deal.
Speaker 1: And um, some kids, I believe there's no way this
Speaker 1: is true. Some kids claim what they found out or
Speaker 1: they kids claim to have felt sick from the kangaroo meet.
Speaker 1: Start jumping high, and they the basketball team started kick
Speaker 1: started crushing. Uh and the dude loses his job and
Speaker 1: we were talking about this news bit and we're wondering
Speaker 1: about the kangaroo market and a bunch of Australian guys
Speaker 1: rolled into in particular, rolled in with a lot of
Speaker 1: information about um kangaroo, where kangaroo meat comes from. There
Speaker 1: is no uh, there is no raising. No one raises
Speaker 1: kangaroos for me. When you see kangaroo met on the menu,
Speaker 1: it's all wild shot now. So mug one I picked.
Speaker 1: There's two mugs that rolled in about this, Mug one
Speaker 1: and mug two. Mug one populations from two thousand eleven
Speaker 1: UH in Australia for mackerel pods which are red kangaroos,
Speaker 1: Western gray kangaroos, Eastern gray kangaroos, wallaroos and euros whatever
Speaker 1: the hell that is UM within the commercial harvest areas,
Speaker 1: there's over thirty four million of them, which uh. And
Speaker 1: then in the in the continent at large, fifty million
Speaker 1: macro pods in Australia Australians. Yeah, he says, greatly outnumbering
Speaker 1: the human population. Now, mug too is a commercial shooter. Sweet.
Speaker 1: We know a few kind of pro hunters from Australia.
Speaker 1: To any of them hunt kangaroos, probably not because it's
Speaker 1: highly regulated, like the hunting in Australia is for non
Speaker 1: generally for non natives, right, but this is highly regulated
Speaker 1: industry and this guy goes here. So here's a commercial shooter.
Speaker 1: This is the guy that makes his living shooting kangaroos,
Speaker 1: the kangaroos that wind up in the US for meat.
Speaker 1: And he goes out and to say for starters, it's
Speaker 1: not even a popular meat in Australia. However, it's available
Speaker 1: in regular supermarkets for human consumptions and it is a
Speaker 1: staple of pet foods. It's very cheap, very healthy, but
Speaker 1: because it's so lean, are is careful cooking and has
Speaker 1: never been more than a niche product here in Australia.
Speaker 1: He says, all the meat in Australia, kangaroo meat is
Speaker 1: all sourced from wild kangaroos shot by professionals. He says
Speaker 1: that it is probably give the guy the credit. He's saying,
Speaker 1: probably the last industrial scale market hunting in the world.
Speaker 1: They export to many countries, including the US, and he
Speaker 1: has been able to unable to find anyone raising them
Speaker 1: domestically for meat over there or here. So wild kangaroo
Speaker 1: is almost certainly what the kids in Nebraska were eating.
Speaker 1: He says. The industry here has regulated in all states
Speaker 1: with strict kill quotas, licensing of shooters, and carcass handling requirements.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets interesting. Like all the shooting is
Speaker 1: done at night with spotlights, and by law, all animals
Speaker 1: must be killed with a shot to the head from
Speaker 1: a center fire rifle of at least two to two caliber.
Speaker 1: Most guys are using a two twenty three. Almost all
Speaker 1: the shooting is done on private land, acquiring the permission
Speaker 1: of the landholder. Generally it's farmland where kangaroos are doing
Speaker 1: crop damage. Most shooters work alone in a single four
Speaker 1: wheel drive vehicle, using a roof mounted spotlight and a
Speaker 1: shooting rest mounted on the truck door. You shoot from
Speaker 1: a seated position. You shoot him, you feel dressing, You
Speaker 1: hang him in the back of the truck, and then
Speaker 1: you drop drop off at a chilled processing plant at
Speaker 1: the end of the night. He normally takes around thirty
Speaker 1: per night, each weighing fifty to one pounds. He says, interestingly,
Speaker 1: almost all kangaroos shot commercially are males, and the major
Speaker 1: processors will only accept male carcasses. It's not legal, it's
Speaker 1: just done for pr reasons because the females are almost
Speaker 1: always pregnant. Almost always have a baby in the pouch.
Speaker 1: The shooter is legally required to he mainly kill the joey.
Speaker 1: When he does shoot a female, he goes into details
Speaker 1: about how they get this done, which I'll not share.
Speaker 1: I'll share it over last I don't drink or so
Speaker 1: I'll share it over a glass water. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: look good for the industry. He has not found any
Speaker 1: evidence of changes to population dynamics due to the sex
Speaker 1: sex specific harvest. How would it not. You're only killing
Speaker 1: males if you're not shooting females normal, there's still fifty
Speaker 1: million of them um. Out of that population, fifty million
Speaker 1: they're harvesting right now, about five to seven million annually.
Speaker 1: He also says he goes down to say this. In
Speaker 1: addition to the commercial harvests, kangaroos can be shot privately
Speaker 1: to mitigate agricultural damage by landowners and recreational shooters with
Speaker 1: landowner permissions. Laws very state to state, with some states
Speaker 1: requiring a landowner to apply for tags and they allow
Speaker 1: the use of the carcass. However, in my home state
Speaker 1: it is open season. There's there's no season, no baggling,
Speaker 1: no weapons restrictions, which sounds amazing, but unfortunately it is
Speaker 1: ill legal to keep the carcasses or to use any
Speaker 1: of the meat, even for personal consumption, meaning you can
Speaker 1: shoot him, can't eat them, which I don't even get.
Speaker 1: He says. As a result of this, and from our
Speaker 1: extremely restrictive firearm laws, we have no culture of recreational
Speaker 1: kangaroo hunting. He also goes on and stay this about Australia,
Speaker 1: He says, we should be seen as a cautionary tale
Speaker 1: for the rest of the world, In particularly the USA,
Speaker 1: we have a vast amount of wilderness w A where
Speaker 1: he is is larger than Alaska and Texas combined, huge
Speaker 1: areas of undeveloped public land, but no legal recreational hunting
Speaker 1: allowed on any of it. Even on private land, hunting
Speaker 1: is extremely restricted, limited to a few feral species, and
Speaker 1: our restrictions on firearm access make this even inaccessible to
Speaker 1: most people. Um, that's what he's got to say about
Speaker 1: all that sad story. Now mug number two and this
Speaker 1: thing with talking about some loosening of restrictions where now
Speaker 1: a land arm with a problem can designate shooters and
Speaker 1: he's going out this weekend and you can designate shooters
Speaker 1: and they lose some restrictions on using the meat, and
Speaker 1: he's going out this weekend. They're hoping to put ten
Speaker 1: in the freezer. He says. This is great news for
Speaker 1: those of us living in New South Wales. Um. He
Speaker 1: says he likes to uh, the tails can be used
Speaker 1: as you would oxtail. They like the backstraps and the
Speaker 1: tender loins, and they like to mince the hind legs
Speaker 1: and cutting some beef fat for burgers at cetera. Anyone
Speaker 1: got anything to say about that. That's a deep dive
Speaker 1: right there. Boys on kangaroo hunting. I'll be not returning
Speaker 1: to that subject anytime soon. What is he comparable to?
Speaker 1: Stringy ass meat? Like like stringy antelope meat. I guess
Speaker 1: I remember like you when I got I had some
Speaker 1: kangaroo back. I had some kangaroo like little t bones.
Speaker 1: What's the call where you got like a rib? What
Speaker 1: do they call that? Beef cutting up? Chop? Yeah, chop
Speaker 1: cut the whole thing and they get that part of
Speaker 1: the little hand. Yeah. Well, we used to have a bones.
Speaker 1: We used to have a band's on. We'd cut deer
Speaker 1: an analytope that way, like little chops. Um, it was
Speaker 1: like eating that, but you needed to go flosh your
Speaker 1: teeth and you got done. I had no idea. There
Speaker 1: are so many different types of kangaroos, don't either nam.
Speaker 1: We get a lot of We had a lot of
Speaker 1: emails from guys in Australia because it's not like a
Speaker 1: robust there's a lot of hunters, but it's not a
Speaker 1: sort of a culture and information, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: like like a conversation around hunting as much as what
Speaker 1: a lot of them point out. So they're kind of
Speaker 1: like they like we hear from Australians who like that
Speaker 1: would be there's this thing that that that's accessible to
Speaker 1: them where people are talking about all this stuff, right,
Speaker 1: get a lot of notes from them. So you're saying
Speaker 1: there's parts of Australia where they can shoot them but
Speaker 1: they can't touch them. I'd always heard that. He says
Speaker 1: they're losing those restrictions up and it's part of broader
Speaker 1: stuff because the same thing is like in Australia you
Speaker 1: have all these non natives, right, and and there's some
Speaker 1: guys that do some amount of hunting. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people like we would love to go do some honey.
Speaker 1: Can you loosen the restrictions. And the girl was like, no,
Speaker 1: we'd rather pay people to shoot him out of helicopters
Speaker 1: and leave him to rot rather than let you redneck
Speaker 1: hicks go out and and shoot him. We'd rather like
Speaker 1: cripple them up from a helicopter and let him die
Speaker 1: a slow death. And you know, and then, like I said,
Speaker 1: they got these really draconian gun laws there which make
Speaker 1: it like extremely difficult. So but there's like a I
Speaker 1: think there's a growing population of bow hunters just to
Speaker 1: get around the you know, just the weapons deal. Um
Speaker 1: everybody good on app opens a whole can of worms
Speaker 1: about gun rights. That's what he says about the cautionary tale.
Speaker 1: Speaking of cautionary tales, Yani, can I hit one more? Sure?
Speaker 1: We're only half an hour in. This isn't even news one.
Speaker 1: A couple of questions came in. Guy was and like,
Speaker 1: you know, hunters will like you shoot a buck right,
Speaker 1: and you get talking about, oh, you know, the North
Speaker 1: American model of wildlife conservation and fueling and feeding my
Speaker 1: family and all the great stuff we do for wildlife.
Speaker 1: This guy says, Okay, I know all this, how great
Speaker 1: it is that you all hunt and how great it
Speaker 1: is that the animals are there and they're giving their
Speaker 1: lives for you, and how happy the animals should be
Speaker 1: about all this whole system you guys have created. He says,
Speaker 1: a picture that we're in a Cormack McCarthy has post
Speaker 1: modern dystopia. Cannibals out looking for sustenance to survive, right,
Speaker 1: just like you. And you're shooting your bucks and these
Speaker 1: cannibals come up and they kill you and your family
Speaker 1: and eat you. Uh, do you feel real honored about
Speaker 1: having continued the lives of your fellow humans? Jeez, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. I would be bombed. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's be bummed. Do we ever say that, Um, the
Speaker 1: animals somehow is feeling honored itself? No, but I was
Speaker 1: talking to an animal rights philosopher. Um, he's in the
Speaker 1: documentary will be available soon. But the animal rights philosopher
Speaker 1: is like, you get like hunters, like talk all this
Speaker 1: talk about this honorific right, this honorific relationship with the animals,
Speaker 1: And the animal doesn't care about your motivations. You're causing
Speaker 1: it pain and killing it. It's just all in your
Speaker 1: own head to make you feel better about something. That's awful.
Speaker 1: And don't act like you're doing something with or for
Speaker 1: this creature. You're just hurting it and killing it and
Speaker 1: that's all it knows. But the animal probably does prefer
Speaker 1: the advanced or improved habitat that it calls home thanks
Speaker 1: to hundred dollars, or it does good job, that's slick,
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, there's I mean, there's other things besides
Speaker 1: just getting shot in the chest. I mean, you've lived
Speaker 1: your whole life in this in this fantastic habitat that
Speaker 1: maybe was mildly influenced by man, and maybe you appreciate
Speaker 1: most of that. And yeah, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you got shot in Nate by farmer John. But well,
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know what's coming. I mean it's rough
Speaker 1: out there for for critters, you know, I mean at night,
Speaker 1: they got to try to stay alive. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's the alternative, you know, be eaten alive by a prey,
Speaker 1: by a predator, a coyote, eat your hind quarter off.
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna leave it to you.
Speaker 1: Gu's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, the the ratio,
Speaker 1: like the percentages of violent death are extraordinary. Look, there's
Speaker 1: no death. There's no death in the natural world that's
Speaker 1: a pleasant death for these animals. It's exposure, it's starvation,
Speaker 1: it's disease, it's getting torn asunder by a predator, you know,
Speaker 1: in a sense, you know, on that scale, what a
Speaker 1: hunter does is the most merciful of all of them.
Speaker 1: But the problem I have with that philosopher's question is
Speaker 1: that he's talking about the individual and really, when we
Speaker 1: look at this, we're not dealing with an individual animal.
Speaker 1: We're dealing with the ecosystem, you know, and are you know,
Speaker 1: the saving grace of what hunters are doing is we're
Speaker 1: preserving and maintaining an ecosystem and and within that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're killing individual animals, but they're not discrete individuals the
Speaker 1: way people are. So I don't think that the analogy
Speaker 1: holds up with that. I think I think their philosophy
Speaker 1: is that it's anthropomorphism, right. They believe that an individual
Speaker 1: animal sort of has some sort of feelings. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that's the thing I always try to focus on top
Speaker 1: about when I come up with questions like that, which
Speaker 1: are totally fair questions, but I always point out like
Speaker 1: like hunters tend to be like like like hunters who
Speaker 1: are involved in the conservation movement tend to be focused
Speaker 1: on like dearness, sort of like the entire package of
Speaker 1: like the dear population in general, right, and not so
Speaker 1: focused on an individual. I was having like a little
Speaker 1: Instagram battle today, brief Instagram battle day with the animal
Speaker 1: rights guy who has pissed at Yanni for having killed
Speaker 1: a bull, and I was pointing out and I was
Speaker 1: pointing out to him that in the early DS this
Speaker 1: state had five thousand elk. Today this state has hundred
Speaker 1: fifty thousand elk. That's hunters did that. So if you
Speaker 1: want to have a who does more for a wildlife contests,
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, this guy some kind
Speaker 1: of sound mixer or something, he's like the Internet troll
Speaker 1: slash sound mixer. Like, if you want to have a
Speaker 1: who does most for wildlife tournament between you and the eagle,
Speaker 1: the Eagle's gonna smoke you. I was telling him, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I am a little fascinated by this Cormick
Speaker 1: McCarthy kind of world though, where it's regulated cannibal listen,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, are they getting licenses? Do they
Speaker 1: have to work? You want to see a good segue
Speaker 1: then I got only one more thing, um uh no,
Speaker 1: two more things. Sorry, good song recommendation. We did a
Speaker 1: show recommendation which is Tales from the Tour Bus. There's
Speaker 1: a song right now I've been listening to a fair
Speaker 1: bit by a band called The Quiet Hollers. It's called
Speaker 1: mont Blanc and it's I like it because it's it's
Speaker 1: McCarthy esk. It's a dude who you gather is living
Speaker 1: in a post apocalyptic situation. Okay, when you listen to it,
Speaker 1: you keep hearing him say shet, I shed a tear
Speaker 1: for the books I should have read. And I thought,
Speaker 1: without paying attention, I thought was like a guy who
Speaker 1: is bummed out that he didn't pay more attention in school.
Speaker 1: But he's a dude living in a post apocalyptic scenario
Speaker 1: trying to keep his family alive. Once you listen closely
Speaker 1: to the lyrics, and what he's saying is when he says,
Speaker 1: I shed a tear for the books I could should
Speaker 1: have read, he's wishing he had been studying up on
Speaker 1: the kind of ship we tend to talk about here
Speaker 1: on this digital radio program. That's what he's lamented. But
Speaker 1: now here he is in his situation he doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to function and operate. Um, it's not an upbeat tune.
Speaker 1: And the often and he goes and then the bomb,
Speaker 1: but you can't tell what he's saying. I had to
Speaker 1: go look it up online. He's talking about his life,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, you should have been paying
Speaker 1: more attention. But he was snuggled with his old lady
Speaker 1: and he's like, and then the bomb, and then he
Speaker 1: gets into like what life's like after the bomb and
Speaker 1: how he sheds a tear for the books he should
Speaker 1: have read. Okay, guy wrote in to ask this, he
Speaker 1: needs to UM, I don't want to ask him any
Speaker 1: questions here. He he wants to shoot a deer, but
Speaker 1: when he does it, he needs it to fall down
Speaker 1: immediately and not jump a fence. He's gonna be shooting
Speaker 1: from twenty yards. He owns a remington. He's thinking that
Speaker 1: that's the way he's gonna do this, and he goes.
Speaker 1: I have heard to use slug high shoulder and also
Speaker 1: number nine pellets. Any assistance greatly appreciated. Yikes, I've got
Speaker 1: some thoughts. Yeah, I have to give the thoughts. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start by saying, usually when you're in a situation
Speaker 1: where you're like, right where you need to tee it
Speaker 1: up preemptively avoid. Yeah, where you're kind of like, I'm
Speaker 1: in a dicey situation. But let's just never mind. I
Speaker 1: trust that you've got this all sorted out and you
Speaker 1: know what you got yourself into. Then I'll let the ill.
Speaker 1: Let the experts speak on that one Bert quail shot
Speaker 1: or a slug Well, definitely not in the quail shot,
Speaker 1: and I've personally never used it, but I haven't heard
Speaker 1: a lot of people have great success, probably especially at
Speaker 1: close range like that with buckshot to the head, but
Speaker 1: not number nine bird shot, which is illegal anyway. I
Speaker 1: know what state he's in, and it's illegal in your state. Well,
Speaker 1: so different states have different laws about your critter jumping
Speaker 1: a fence and crossing the line and whether you can
Speaker 1: or cannot retrieve that animal what that looks like. Montana
Speaker 1: has their own unique definition of that law, but depending
Speaker 1: on what state he's in, could depend could decide what
Speaker 1: weapons should be using. Well, at twenty yards, if he
Speaker 1: goes with buckshot, he'd be very safe. There's that federal um.
Speaker 1: It's an lie load that has a type of wadding
Speaker 1: in it that helps keep that together. Even with a
Speaker 1: regular buckshot at twenty yard, the pattern is going to
Speaker 1: be tighter than your fist, and so you're going you're
Speaker 1: going head or chest with that. I would, I would
Speaker 1: go neck, I go right yeah, with with that buckshot absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: the problem that the head. You know, the head shot
Speaker 1: works great, but the vitals are so small, and if
Speaker 1: you mess up, you have just done the most horrific
Speaker 1: thing doing it, then your neighbor is gonna be a
Speaker 1: real treat. Oh. I mean, then you've got zombie deer
Speaker 1: with no lower jar. I mean it's just well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if it's between we were talking about buckshot buckshot,
Speaker 1: you find it slug and be fine too. Trust me,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to get hippie by either one.
Speaker 1: But but bucks out at that range will be tighter
Speaker 1: than your fist. How about bird shot, No, it's just
Speaker 1: too small. I don't want to give his state away,
Speaker 1: but in his state bird shots illegal. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: bird shot being legal anyway anywhere. So, John, if you
Speaker 1: had to pick one though twenty yards, is there gonna
Speaker 1: be neck, buckshot or high shoulder? I would, I would,
Speaker 1: I would go I would go neck buckshot that there's
Speaker 1: not moving. I'd like to think he needs the fall
Speaker 1: real fast because he doesn't want to drag it far,
Speaker 1: rather than that he's in some kind of weird neighborly
Speaker 1: situation that changes everything. My take, my take, and and
Speaker 1: this is just me not really even know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I would feel if I hadn't just consulted
Speaker 1: with with John Snow, I would feel that the slug
Speaker 1: high shoulder because then you're shooting at a pie plate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about just anchoring at the base, the base
Speaker 1: of the neck. I'm not talking center neck. I'm talking
Speaker 1: base neck, which is kind of that high shoulder area too.
Speaker 1: But I think I could be wrong on this, But like,
Speaker 1: there are guys like in Minneapolis who are doing the
Speaker 1: deer control there and I think they're using slugs, but
Speaker 1: they're doing that high neckstra because they don't want anything
Speaker 1: to run around h and uh, you know, because they're
Speaker 1: doing them in parks like where people are walking through
Speaker 1: at night and stuff. So we have a body that
Speaker 1: does that for a living, and they do head neck
Speaker 1: with the two M damn. They shoot for airports, they
Speaker 1: shoot for municipalities facing away he said, right, that was
Speaker 1: that was that he likes it to be facing the
Speaker 1: other direction. It gives you a lot more target area
Speaker 1: usable target area that way. And he thought about the
Speaker 1: kind of shooting where you're looking at a couple of
Speaker 1: people watching TV in the in the in the window
Speaker 1: of the front window of a house and you're shooting
Speaker 1: deer in their yard like that kind of like very
Speaker 1: tightly controlled or like high what what's what am I
Speaker 1: trying to say? Surgical? I have a slightly mccomb's story
Speaker 1: about this where this was in Minneapolis where a friend
Speaker 1: of mine got invited on one of these calls and
Speaker 1: he didn't in the moment, he forgot about the shot
Speaker 1: placement and he put it through the rib cage like
Speaker 1: normal style. And so this was a snowy park god,
Speaker 1: and actually it connected to a cemetery in the deer
Speaker 1: of course, shot through both sides, hosen everywhere ys seventy
Speaker 1: yards on on tombstones, on the whole thing, he said.
Speaker 1: He said, they spent hours trying to clean this up
Speaker 1: and sanitize. This is my last one. That yeah, and
Speaker 1: you got a bunch, right, yeah, Okay, I want to
Speaker 1: hit one more because that's what I kind of understand.
Speaker 1: The guy wrote in and he's saying, we've talked about
Speaker 1: back steelers, we talked about chamber seilers. You guys are
Speaker 1: clear what we're talking about. You know what chamber seiler is, Uh,
Speaker 1: is that where it goes into like the tub and
Speaker 1: you close the door on the top of Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have one. So I have like a western um vaccinither
Speaker 1: this non chamber, right, and you that's that's where everybody has. Right.
Speaker 1: You open thing up, lay the bag over the lip,
Speaker 1: the bags laying out on the counter. Zapp it a
Speaker 1: chamber seiler. Um. It goes into a vacuum chamber. And
Speaker 1: I knows you don't need the bag. You don't. The
Speaker 1: bags are cheaper because there you don't need a bag
Speaker 1: that allows the one way flow. You don't need a
Speaker 1: vented bag, right, because when you're pulling, if you picture
Speaker 1: a normal seiler when it's expunging air, right, it can
Speaker 1: it can pass through like a like a like a
Speaker 1: like a one way pass through the vented bag on
Speaker 1: a chamber ceiler of the whole chambers back. So you
Speaker 1: just use a regular heavy duty bag and the bags
Speaker 1: are cheaper. Um. He goes on to say, I would
Speaker 1: like some input and clarification on what's the best. Then
Speaker 1: he says that here's what initiated his problem. He thought
Speaker 1: some rabbits. He had some rabbit stock. I like this
Speaker 1: guy immensely. He had some rabbit stock in his deep
Speaker 1: freeze in half gallon jars. He over filled him and
Speaker 1: noticed today that three of the jars cracked in the freezer.
Speaker 1: I that's a legit problem, man, like, because i'll freeze stock,
Speaker 1: I'll pressure steal it where I can just go into
Speaker 1: your counter or into your cupboard or pantry, but also
Speaker 1: sometimes freeze stock. And yeah, man, you can't fill the
Speaker 1: jar all the way up. You gotta leave a lot
Speaker 1: of headspace on that thing when you freeze it. So
Speaker 1: that's one thing. When he goes on to top about
Speaker 1: chamber ceiling liquids, I don't see any reason. I'm not
Speaker 1: a physicist. I don't see any reason why you would
Speaker 1: ever need to vacuum seal liquid because a liquid isn't
Speaker 1: like compressible, right, Yeah, like what in liquids don't freezer
Speaker 1: burn when you vacuum seal an elk steak, Though the
Speaker 1: goal is not to compress the elk steak it's to
Speaker 1: take all the air away around the oak steak, right,
Speaker 1: So that would be the same goal with the liquord.
Speaker 1: Just get all let's get the guy the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt. Maybe he's trying to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to more efficiently stack stuff in his freezer, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'll sometimes do that with like different kinds of sauces.
Speaker 1: But you can't vact seal chamber s either or not
Speaker 1: when you put into like I have a I have
Speaker 1: a big Western chamber seiler at my fish shack, and
Speaker 1: that thing kicks ass all day long. Um, But you
Speaker 1: can't lay a bag of liquid down in there because
Speaker 1: when you pull the vacuum on it, all that liquid.
Speaker 1: Even if you're doing a piece of fish with a
Speaker 1: small amount of liquid, the liquid gets pulled out and
Speaker 1: you gotta roll up a piece of paper towel and
Speaker 1: like lay it down in there to keep the liquid
Speaker 1: from pulling out and ruining the seal. If you put
Speaker 1: a bag of stock in a vacuum steeler, all it's
Speaker 1: gonna have you have an empty bag and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a vacuum steeler that holds stock gons and it's
Speaker 1: simper to tause ziplock freezer bag filled with the liquid
Speaker 1: and just kind of squeeze the air out as you
Speaker 1: seal it. Well, the real answer, and my that's great,
Speaker 1: is not use glass too freezing plastic and if you're
Speaker 1: a plastic, fold freezing glass, but don't overfill. But then
Speaker 1: he goes down to this other question where he was
Speaker 1: one of about chambers versus regular I wish I knew
Speaker 1: like the opposite a chamber non chamber and chamber. He's saying,
Speaker 1: do chamber steelers do better on cuts with potential sharp
Speaker 1: bones such as shanks? Um? Now that question there is
Speaker 1: interesting question because when you're doing if you use shitty
Speaker 1: vacuum sealed bags and your vac ceiling salmon, and you
Speaker 1: don't pull the pin bones first, you can get your
Speaker 1: your bag can be perforated from the pinbones. Or if
Speaker 1: you're making if you like pre caught your asabuco where
Speaker 1: you pre caught your shanks and you've got little burs
Speaker 1: on the bone, and then you go to vac seal
Speaker 1: with shitty bags, the shitty bags are more likely to
Speaker 1: get perforated by the corner of the bone um, which
Speaker 1: that leads to problems. So for that because chamber seitos.
Speaker 1: You can use a heavier gauge bag. You can buy
Speaker 1: that really heavy gauge bags. I would go and say, sure,
Speaker 1: but don't buy bad bags. Usered. That though is remember
Speaker 1: what they did down at um Quality Meats. I forget
Speaker 1: the name of Divine Meat Company Yea and Divine Meat
Speaker 1: Company Clayton Saunders. They had a chamber seiler that we
Speaker 1: did all of our hog in and they just had
Speaker 1: little pieces of sort of like robust plastic. Remember that
Speaker 1: they would basically put on the tips of the ribs
Speaker 1: and the sharp peg man was it like was it
Speaker 1: made for that? I don't know. So they would essentially
Speaker 1: pre wrap the part that could poke through the bag
Speaker 1: with heavier duty, just slip it in there and kind
Speaker 1: of set it right on the sharp edge. It would
Speaker 1: keep it from pope. Yeah, totally forgot about that. You're right,
Speaker 1: they would on their bone and cuts. They would pad
Speaker 1: it up. But he was chamber ceiling too, with some
Speaker 1: nice heavy duty bags, potentially heavy duty bags. It sounds
Speaker 1: like all of you guys is discussion about vacuum ceiling
Speaker 1: all comes down to the bag. It's like a good bag,
Speaker 1: just good, the best bag you can, because if you don't,
Speaker 1: you're just gonna run to me. I used to have
Speaker 1: so many more problems with him, but I have a
Speaker 1: lot less problems now, um and out, but also things
Speaker 1: that handle them differently. When your bags get broken. I
Speaker 1: used to being there, like stern ship up in my freezer,
Speaker 1: you know, looking for something. And he goes on to
Speaker 1: have one more question. Um, he's saying, on a chamber seiler,
Speaker 1: do you still have to let it cool like during
Speaker 1: heavy youth? Yep, you still gotta let it cool off now?
Speaker 1: And then um, I have that. Uh. The main one
Speaker 1: I run is that west Pro, which is like a beast,
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can burn it. You can burn it
Speaker 1: out too hot. If you're just going on and going
Speaker 1: on and going on it you gotta just let it
Speaker 1: chill out now and then you just I just use
Speaker 1: I just put my hand out and I can tell
Speaker 1: it's too hot. He's the food saver vacuum seiler, and
Speaker 1: it just it cuts you off. It turns itself off.
Speaker 1: That's a real machine there. Oh yeah, some critters through
Speaker 1: that one. It just turns itself off. It does when
Speaker 1: it gets hot. Oh yeah, it's probably smart self. Oh
Speaker 1: yeh what do you got? I got a bunch of
Speaker 1: more on the same along the same lines. Um, I
Speaker 1: think it a name with this one, but he didn't
Speaker 1: put in the names. Tell their names they want. But
Speaker 1: Pete from Bosman might be excited when we say Pete
Speaker 1: from Bozeman asked, right, I got some questions for boys. Um,
Speaker 1: he's saying he's noticing that in a lot of the recipes,
Speaker 1: the pictures, in the books, uh, in the in the
Speaker 1: meat in the videos, he's saying that the meat always
Speaker 1: appears to be real fresh. Well, that's because we don't
Speaker 1: actually kill any of that stuff. We're just go and
Speaker 1: buy it at the grocery store. No, I'm I'm kidding there.
Speaker 1: But he was saying that. He's saying for like, um,
Speaker 1: he ran into the problem with Asabuco that he went
Speaker 1: and ages me and then he wanted to use his shank,
Speaker 1: but it had like a rind on it, and the
Speaker 1: pictures and the videos he saw us doing Asabuco, the
Speaker 1: shank didn't have this like hard rind on it. So
Speaker 1: he's saying, like, how do I get around around that?
Speaker 1: Should I trim the rind? Should I not age it?
Speaker 1: Do I treat different cuts differently. I'd say it depends
Speaker 1: on how heavy. Dude, you're asking me, anybody all of you,
Speaker 1: why is he why is he aging it to begin with?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're making osabuco out of shank, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he just didn't know. No, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking too, is that it's gonna be slow and
Speaker 1: low anyways, and so you don't you don't need to
Speaker 1: need to be aged. But his ageing the whole damn deer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna like age some and not age rest.
Speaker 1: The age is the whole damn deer. And this is
Speaker 1: for quartered out, so you don't have the protection of
Speaker 1: the hide. Yeah. I think unless you like wrap it
Speaker 1: in plastic, the ryand is completely unavoidable. Yeah. So what
Speaker 1: would you do with the ryan then? If you're gonna askabuco,
Speaker 1: I think you gotta carve it off. What if you
Speaker 1: just cook it so it's still gonna I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I've never cooked one with the rind on
Speaker 1: it a shank. I mean, I I would tend to
Speaker 1: not let that age too long. I like age and
Speaker 1: the rest of it, But you try picking that stuff
Speaker 1: off the shanks. It's just a by the time you
Speaker 1: get it all off way. Uh you want to know
Speaker 1: a hot tip not related to this, dude, you ever
Speaker 1: knows what you hang. If you're aging a deer, you
Speaker 1: hang up a deer that the tenderlins are so small
Speaker 1: on a deer that if you like age it for
Speaker 1: a week, they get dried out where they're like damn,
Speaker 1: they're kind of gone, like it's all rind our body.
Speaker 1: Steve Kendrott takes a piece of plastic wrap and when
Speaker 1: he's hanging the deer, he just paste a piece of
Speaker 1: plastic wrap over the tenderloins and then they don't Then
Speaker 1: they don't get the problem that this boy is talking about.
Speaker 1: Uh my take in terms of the shanks, you're cooking.
Speaker 1: The sun's a bitches so long that you're turning tendons
Speaker 1: into gelatin. I don't think in the end chance, but
Speaker 1: in a rind the sense. Yeah, like when you've aged
Speaker 1: something good, like you pull the backstrap off on a
Speaker 1: thing where it's been aged. Uh yeah, I'm cutting that
Speaker 1: stuff away. But on that preparation, it had to be
Speaker 1: a pretty healthy, like a big thig moldy rind I
Speaker 1: would cut off. But like any normal rind that I
Speaker 1: have encountered in my life, I feel like it's gonna succumb.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna succumb to the to the cooking,
Speaker 1: to right the because I can't think of ever because
Speaker 1: there you're dealing with such a small thing. Anyway, Like
Speaker 1: the more you start fiddle farting around trim and stuff off,
Speaker 1: you kind of are getting rid of the whole point.
Speaker 1: Like the beauty of the thing is you wind up
Speaker 1: with a bone that could go and do a museum.
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting it, like every last usable scrap
Speaker 1: off that thing, and that's kind of like what makes
Speaker 1: that dish cool. So I would have a hard time
Speaker 1: trimming parts of it off because then you're kind of
Speaker 1: like you're the gate and the main point. So our
Speaker 1: answer is if you're gonna hang it for a while,
Speaker 1: it takes some span wrap and wrap your shanks, or
Speaker 1: cut the shanks off and get them in the freezer
Speaker 1: immediately and do a Steve Kendrott on the tender loins,
Speaker 1: sorry John, or just ignored it. You're saying, just ignore it,
Speaker 1: Just cook it with the rind. Any normal rind, I'll thick.
Speaker 1: I wish I knew how to describe stuff in mills. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you had a rind, I would say most rhinds
Speaker 1: are about as stick as if you cut a, for instance,
Speaker 1: a paper coffee cup, if you went down to the
Speaker 1: local coffee shop and got a coffee cup. A normal
Speaker 1: ryan is about like that paper. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: on the light end. The actual rhynd, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: agree with that. There's like a purplely transition into the
Speaker 1: meat after that. But the actual rhynd that you have
Speaker 1: to carve away it is probably about the size of
Speaker 1: and I've seen some leathery ass rhymes. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like your average deer skin. That's
Speaker 1: how much you're gonna end up carving off, you know.
Speaker 1: So it just depends, man, if you you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard for me to picture trimming
Speaker 1: that thing off. That's the last word I got to
Speaker 1: say about it. I'm with you, all right. Uh, here's
Speaker 1: another one. Everyone's gonna have a tip for this guy patting,
Speaker 1: So keep it to one because I know everybody's got
Speaker 1: one for this. He hunts by himself off and he's
Speaker 1: often not going into areas and not going deep because
Speaker 1: in our tree season, he's worried he's gonna kill something
Speaker 1: and not you only get the meat out before it
Speaker 1: spoils like this guy. So what tips tricks do you
Speaker 1: guys have to get the meat out faster or keep
Speaker 1: it cool longer? And as a general rule, how much
Speaker 1: time do you feel you have before the meat starts
Speaker 1: to spoil? M a lot of variables able to read it?
Speaker 1: Read it again? What tips tricks do you guys have
Speaker 1: to try to get the meat out faster or keep
Speaker 1: it cool longer? And there's a general rule how much
Speaker 1: time do you feel you have before the meat starts
Speaker 1: to spoil? Or we got a limit to like a
Speaker 1: simple trick. We're gonna assume he's hunting elk, yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's worried about getting it all out because yeah, if
Speaker 1: it was a deer, he'd packing shot. So it's something
Speaker 1: bigger than a single trip maybe, or who knows a
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna want to carry a hold deer. Okay,
Speaker 1: you killed big white tail buck hunter eighty pounds, you're
Speaker 1: gonna strip it down, but you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people aren't gonna do that. No, that's a heavy load.
Speaker 1: Some old dude retired. I don't think he can. We
Speaker 1: can really answer the general rule on how much time
Speaker 1: do you think you have? Well, I okay, because there's
Speaker 1: just too many variables. But we can say at fifty
Speaker 1: degrees and sure, I'll give you a number. I'll say
Speaker 1: this longer than you think, if the proper steps are
Speaker 1: taken longer. It's amazing how durable that stuff is if
Speaker 1: the proper steps are taken. That's amazing. The temperature difference
Speaker 1: between a sun filled meadow and early September and a dark,
Speaker 1: shady patch of timber with a creek flowing through it.
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be your tip for patting? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just getting into this, but yeah, no, you
Speaker 1: only you only get one tip or tree. Okay. My
Speaker 1: tip is work, work quick, and get that ship in
Speaker 1: the timber north face and slow. Yeah, hang it up,
Speaker 1: good airflow. It just worked quick because yeah, I've killed
Speaker 1: elk on hot September days before, and it is stick
Speaker 1: your hands inside that animal and it's a hundred plus
Speaker 1: degrees and you pull your hands out and it's nine
Speaker 1: plus degrees outside. The clock is ticking, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just working quick. Think about taking a nap, cold
Speaker 1: ass day and you're trying to take a nap down
Speaker 1: the timber, you gotta go up into a sunny medal.
Speaker 1: Or conversely, you're trying to take a nap up in
Speaker 1: a sunny meadow and you can't no wait, and then
Speaker 1: you go down. You gotta adda layer to take a
Speaker 1: nap down below. Big differ. That's by moving fifty yards
Speaker 1: Nature's refrigerator. Phil I would say, definitely get the hide off,
Speaker 1: and if you're super worried about it, uh, get the
Speaker 1: bones out. You know, you get more air flow circulation
Speaker 1: in into the big cuts of meat, like let's say
Speaker 1: it's an elk, you know, taking that hind quarter and
Speaker 1: getting it to where that bone is out of there,
Speaker 1: and also taking the hide off that mountain goat I
Speaker 1: killed last year. We left the last hind quarter in
Speaker 1: the hide. I did, huh full body mountain. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's in the hide. I'm just gonna leave it in
Speaker 1: the hide and pack the rest to this out. And
Speaker 1: we got out and that hind quarter was still warm
Speaker 1: from being insulated from that hide from that fur. So
Speaker 1: hide off if you're really worried about it. Bone out
Speaker 1: Steve ano. Um, that was my tip that you I'm
Speaker 1: answering the part of this thing, like how long can
Speaker 1: you how long can you put it off? You can
Speaker 1: put it off a long time if you get the
Speaker 1: body heat out and you keep it in the shade,
Speaker 1: up in the breeze, not wrapped up in garbage bags.
Speaker 1: Um longer than you think, to the point where you're
Speaker 1: kind of surprised. We were days. Yeah, the thing that
Speaker 1: I was returning to man, we we we we were
Speaker 1: hunting doll sheep once in Alaska, and it was no joke.
Speaker 1: There were so many fires. There was still fire season.
Speaker 1: There's so many fires going on that it was obstructing
Speaker 1: our glassing like that kind of weather and unseasonably hot
Speaker 1: in the eighties every day, and we kept We killed
Speaker 1: two sheep the first one we killed. I think we
Speaker 1: had we carried it around us for seven days by
Speaker 1: being very judicious about how we were taking care of it,
Speaker 1: what we were doing with that night. We'd even chisel
Speaker 1: a hole down in a glacier and get a good
Speaker 1: chill on it like that. But it's moving it along
Speaker 1: and always trying to decide what best to do, hanging
Speaker 1: it by the creek, keeping it in the shade during
Speaker 1: the daytime, getting it out at night, letting it cool,
Speaker 1: and it was I kind of came away with that
Speaker 1: with like a real appreciation for if you're properly, if
Speaker 1: you're properly equipped and paying attention, that you can do
Speaker 1: some pretty miraculous stuff without having meat spoil. And I've
Speaker 1: also had experiences, particularly I first got involved in Western hunting,
Speaker 1: I had some experiences where I was shocked at how badly,
Speaker 1: how quickly something could go south, how just stunning lee
Speaker 1: fast you could spoil something by not I didn't ride
Speaker 1: around the back of your pick up, not deal with
Speaker 1: the body heat well, even in the body, even in
Speaker 1: the field, especially with elk, you know, I I see
Speaker 1: it all the time in rifle season. It's a cold day,
Speaker 1: there's snow on the ground, and guys will wait, you know,
Speaker 1: to field dress their their their elk, and and that
Speaker 1: that elk meat goes goes bad so fast it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: If you even in the snow, if you don't get
Speaker 1: the neck opened up and get the esophagus out, get
Speaker 1: it get a breathing, you know that you'll you'll lose
Speaker 1: meat even when it's cold. He said things Laner six
Speaker 1: hundred pounds. It's like to get down to the core
Speaker 1: of it's what eighteen inches deep. It's a heat factory,
Speaker 1: you know, and that thing's hundred three degrees internal body
Speaker 1: temperature or whatever. Here's a question for you, Steve. Have
Speaker 1: you ever put meat in the creek? You know what?
Speaker 1: Can take a quarter and put it in the crip.
Speaker 1: I had a question from a guy like that. And
Speaker 1: on that same trip I'm talking about, we had some
Speaker 1: contractor bags and we were putting meat, putting sheet meat
Speaker 1: in contractor bags and putting it down in a creek
Speaker 1: to cool it off underwater. The problem is dry bags,
Speaker 1: contractor bags, all this stuff is like pretty waterproof, but
Speaker 1: you submerge, you put it underwater. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it happens. The seams, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Even like a brand spikty new contractor bag. Somehow you
Speaker 1: open it up, like, I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 1: There's a quart of water landing about that damn bag.
Speaker 1: So what's the danger there? It just gets nothing. Really,
Speaker 1: it's unsightly and it turns all white and weird looking.
Speaker 1: But You know what, when I was hunting in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: I was with some Hawaiians in Hawaii. The first thing
Speaker 1: they do is put there. The first thing to do
Speaker 1: is bone out. We got we're hunting access to here.
Speaker 1: Bone the thing out and throwing the ice water. But
Speaker 1: if you just took it, looks like a drowned rat
Speaker 1: there man hide on and just dunked at him. Correct,
Speaker 1: I would do it, certainly protect one side. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would do that before I let it rot. We're not
Speaker 1: talking about like g rdia, like laying eggs into your
Speaker 1: elchem It's not happening. It's just the discoloration in a
Speaker 1: way it looks once it's wet in. The Hawaiians are
Speaker 1: like they put it in the water to do what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. As they put in the water to
Speaker 1: draw all the blood out. They pulled that meat out.
Speaker 1: It's like ivory. But dude, it was good man. Then
Speaker 1: they steamed underground that he likes a chill and ice water.
Speaker 1: I shot a black bear in the bear tooths a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and it took me two and
Speaker 1: a half days to get it out. In two nights
Speaker 1: in a row, we put all the bear meat in
Speaker 1: several trash bags and then into a creek there go,
Speaker 1: And so that was our refrigerator. The second morning, as
Speaker 1: I pulled the bags out of the creek, a pot
Speaker 1: of otters came past our camp, our creekside camp that
Speaker 1: I'm sure smelled this meat miles and miles down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They came off the still water and came up into
Speaker 1: this tributary way way up into the bear tooths. I
Speaker 1: saw a pot of otters, and I'm sure my bear
Speaker 1: meat had baited him up there, and it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't five minutes until that morning pulled it out and
Speaker 1: then ten squeaky otters slipped past camp. They definitely would
Speaker 1: have ripped that bag up all, no doubt, John, Are
Speaker 1: there any sets of tricks left? Well? I think the
Speaker 1: the point about getting the meat off the bone, if
Speaker 1: you're really concerned, that's a big one. And getting airflow
Speaker 1: under any kind of airflow. You know, we did this
Speaker 1: on a moose hunt earlier this year. It was a
Speaker 1: d i y drop camp and it was hot and um,
Speaker 1: you know, we were and it was just kind of
Speaker 1: rainy and warm the whole time, and so we were
Speaker 1: pretty concerned about the meat but we uh got enough
Speaker 1: airflow on it and would flip them around every now
Speaker 1: and then, and we were out there for over a
Speaker 1: week and a half and even though it smelled kind
Speaker 1: of ripe and we actually got it back and started
Speaker 1: trimming up, it was great. So that is one of
Speaker 1: the things to your points. Do you think it's amazing
Speaker 1: how long if you do care for it it'll last.
Speaker 1: But you know, it seems like it's increasingly an issue
Speaker 1: in some ways. You know. I was in Elk camp
Speaker 1: in September this year, always in public plan and was
Speaker 1: fortunate to have been able to ride into camp. But
Speaker 1: more and more, especially you know, like young athletic hunters,
Speaker 1: which is obviously great for the whole sport, but are
Speaker 1: sort of going solo, going in deep, you know, and
Speaker 1: and particularly bow hunting elk. You know, you really have
Speaker 1: to think through what's your plan? What? What? What is
Speaker 1: your is your plan? Because? Uh, the the one word
Speaker 1: answer I was going to give to to the Pete
Speaker 1: from Bozeman, right, uh would be uh buddies, yes, uh,
Speaker 1: because uh, you know, you can get a signal on
Speaker 1: top of a lot of ridges. You can have a
Speaker 1: plan even if you want to hunt alone. I get
Speaker 1: that I like to hunt alone too, but you know,
Speaker 1: to be able to say I need some help get
Speaker 1: in here. That doesn't mean my tip since you already
Speaker 1: had one, I'm gonna just add on to that one.
Speaker 1: But yeah, when I was talking about yesterday, I was
Speaker 1: hunting with my neighbor and we got lucky killed when
Speaker 1: we're packing one out and we're going through the same scenario.
Speaker 1: But living in Colorado, I had probably almost a dozen
Speaker 1: people on the list that it was just on the
Speaker 1: bolletin board year round. But like my wife knew, I
Speaker 1: would probably call her first and then like, hey, run
Speaker 1: the list and get up here as fast as you can.
Speaker 1: Most of those people weren't hunters. Most of them were
Speaker 1: just people that like enjoyed the outdoors, were stoked to
Speaker 1: get you know, a few steaks, steaks and burgers exactly.
Speaker 1: They're like sweet, so stoked to go for a hike today,
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do on a Sunday. You know,
Speaker 1: so often it would be it's hard to talk your
Speaker 1: hunting buddies into coming to help you. It's usually easier
Speaker 1: to talk to guy. It's like I can get some
Speaker 1: milk met coming, and then you don't have to be
Speaker 1: shown another hunter your spot. Yeah, it doesn't leave a
Speaker 1: lot to the imagination when you gotta take him right
Speaker 1: to the exact spotty. Yeah, so here he is exactly
Speaker 1: where he was standing. I have a friend in Bozeman who,
Speaker 1: uh they raise horses, and they're raising pack horses, and
Speaker 1: he tells me every year he's like, you know, the
Speaker 1: more experienced these horses have getting him out, you know,
Speaker 1: let me know. So I take my dolor um with
Speaker 1: me and he's just ready to go. At all times.
Speaker 1: He does hunt too, but like he knows, he's just
Speaker 1: like he'll be at work. He hit him with the dolarm,
Speaker 1: He's just like, I gotta go. He goes and gets
Speaker 1: his horse and will you know, head up to the trail.
Speaker 1: So if you know or can get a hold of
Speaker 1: somebody that would do that kind of thing, because I
Speaker 1: know some like way back before it became super popular,
Speaker 1: Cameron Haynes in his book would write about he had
Speaker 1: a guy on call he paid to pack his bulls
Speaker 1: out of the back country and like you were saying,
Speaker 1: it's getting to the point where guys, are you know,
Speaker 1: so gun hoe to go the furthest go you know,
Speaker 1: solo that they don't even think about it, and then
Speaker 1: they get a bowl on the ground. It's like, now
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Yeah? Now it's it's a big, big,
Speaker 1: big deal. I I love my horse and my mule
Speaker 1: almost to it like an indecent level. But I'm not
Speaker 1: a great horseman by any means. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of really great horse people around, and uh, there's
Speaker 1: just a question in my mind whether, uh you should
Speaker 1: call a licensed outfitter for that job. You know, I
Speaker 1: get the friend and buddy thing with horses and stuff.
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I'm wondering if there might be
Speaker 1: some rules and regulations about it. You know, Uh, there's
Speaker 1: a lot there's there's lots of great licensed outfitters in
Speaker 1: the state. Who would that cost if? I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't think it's real expensive, you know, real expensive
Speaker 1: relative to the service you're getting. You know, what did
Speaker 1: I do in Washington? What did he what did you
Speaker 1: ever talk about prices with it? He does? He does
Speaker 1: that in the fall for a living nice It's like
Speaker 1: an uber driver for what do you think bucks to pack?
Speaker 1: I don't milk five miles. I think you could probably
Speaker 1: get an outfit or it's just sort of a wrangler
Speaker 1: to me, you know, somebody's really kind of just coming
Speaker 1: to help pack meet gonna be him in another horse.
Speaker 1: It depends, you know how if it's fifteen miles or
Speaker 1: five miles or what, but not to fifty there you
Speaker 1: go say, have an extra wildest guess. But and I've
Speaker 1: seen even in like diners and in Colorado elsewhere, like
Speaker 1: and you'll see a guy like with a sign up
Speaker 1: where you know where you got the guys that caught
Speaker 1: the buckskin on the end of a piece of paper,
Speaker 1: cut the fringe, you tear the tab off, dudes advertising
Speaker 1: that service. That's a good thing to look in. You man,
Speaker 1: just have like a let's have like an ace in
Speaker 1: the hole before you go hunting. Gangs that with a question.
Speaker 1: This guy is from the UK, does not hunt. Wants
Speaker 1: to know this could a major league pitcher with a
Speaker 1: wicked bassball, if taught to stalk a white tailed deer,
Speaker 1: be able to kill the deer with a rock that
Speaker 1: could fit in his hand. And if he had a tag,
Speaker 1: would his methods for filling the tag be legal? That's
Speaker 1: a two part answer, yes and no, Yes and no.
Speaker 1: I think my answer is yes and no, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: probably killing. No, it's probably not legal, not legal method
Speaker 1: to take. Method of take is interesting. Um uh, the
Speaker 1: level of specificity they get into a method of take,
Speaker 1: particularly if you get into something like waterfowl where it's
Speaker 1: like shot size, composition of shot, So it's like how
Speaker 1: the diameter of the shot, what the shot is made of,
Speaker 1: the borer of the shotgun being prohibitions on too small,
Speaker 1: prohibitions on too large, how many shells the firearm can hold,
Speaker 1: the gauge of the firearm. You know, I was getting
Speaker 1: with the poor size, like excruciating level of detail around
Speaker 1: method to take. And in some places like Alaska waterfalls federal,
Speaker 1: but some places like they're they leave a lot, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like open. They don't get into a
Speaker 1: lot of method to take. Discussions of other states get
Speaker 1: into what would be like the draft again and that
Speaker 1: like coyote killing and Montana, like I don't know what
Speaker 1: would be there's no method to take there, don't it's
Speaker 1: non game Okay, yeah, um yehney, I got a couple
Speaker 1: of good ones here. This one would be a little
Speaker 1: bit shorter at least answer I think. Um this fella
Speaker 1: is saying, well, it's Jordan's, so it could be a gal.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's a goal. Okay, she's saying she's shot
Speaker 1: enough big game animals are a rifle, that she knows
Speaker 1: what it looks like when she gets a good hit
Speaker 1: by the animal's reaction and behavior, and that uh so
Speaker 1: she's she can kind of tell, like if it's a
Speaker 1: good hit and whether she has to shoot again or not.
Speaker 1: But even though it's a good hit and it's starting
Speaker 1: to get wobbly, it still, you know, it's taking seconds
Speaker 1: to you know, lay or fall down, so it's a
Speaker 1: little bit longer. But she feels like she's in a
Speaker 1: ethical quandary, wondering should she just shoot again and get
Speaker 1: it over with or she just let it go on
Speaker 1: its own. And the reason it's a it's a quantity
Speaker 1: for her, it's because she feels like a second shot
Speaker 1: might do more deep meat damage and she wants to
Speaker 1: get as much good meat out of it as possible.
Speaker 1: I question question. I like it. There's a reason guns
Speaker 1: hold more than one bullet, because I've seen it, you know,
Speaker 1: any number of times guys I think that they've knocked
Speaker 1: an animal down, even even when it falls, even gals
Speaker 1: that have shot a hundred critters like Jordan's. Yes, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I would. I always put another round or two into
Speaker 1: the animals. You do. Yeah, if it's standing, I'm shooting.
Speaker 1: If if I've made contact, if I've wounded that animal,
Speaker 1: and now it is my responsibility to finish the job.
Speaker 1: I know. But but she's saying that like this is
Speaker 1: after a good shot, like you just like it could
Speaker 1: be a seventy five yards and you saw the bullet
Speaker 1: go right through both longs. We're talking seconds, probably just
Speaker 1: long enough to get off another shot or not. I'm
Speaker 1: with Pete. I'm shooting, keep shooting, put another one through
Speaker 1: the roobs, John, I think it depends on the animal.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Okay, that's what I'm saying. We're
Speaker 1: talking brown bear, we're talking white till those two different categories.
Speaker 1: I shot a brown bear in Alaska recently, and I'll
Speaker 1: leave some of the names out to protect the innocent.
Speaker 1: But it was a charge situation and we emptied our guns,
Speaker 1: but it was it was kind of a life or
Speaker 1: death deal. Yeah that's yeah, that's its own thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's way different than you we gonnaut I heard
Speaker 1: about that Yeah, yeah, it was kind of hairy. But
Speaker 1: then you know elk, deer, antelope, you know planes, game,
Speaker 1: you know, smaller stuff save the meat pete. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: into it. I like I like breaking big animals down there.
Speaker 1: I mean, elk elk are tough. Just because you think
Speaker 1: you have a fatal hit on him doesn't mean you do.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I would say, yeah, it depends
Speaker 1: on the animal. A moose, absolutely, keep shooting on a moose.
Speaker 1: Absolutely on some stuff like white tail or caribou. I
Speaker 1: would be like reading a lot into what I saw happen,
Speaker 1: sure what I thought was happening. Now it's interesting because
Speaker 1: Jordans really and maybe I just didn't do a good
Speaker 1: enough joy to explain this, but you guys have all
Speaker 1: answered and sort of just like waste meat or not meat.
Speaker 1: She also is wondering about, like the animals misery in
Speaker 1: those three or four I'm talking about we're talking about
Speaker 1: fractions of not fractions, we're talking about seconds. I think
Speaker 1: of someone. I think that any one of us, if
Speaker 1: they knew, if if it was minutes, shoot again. By
Speaker 1: that point, there's no question anymore, like at probably ten seconds,
Speaker 1: there's no question if you go long enough to think
Speaker 1: about it. In my opinion, you probably should have another
Speaker 1: one going down. Here we're talking about something that we're
Speaker 1: talking about, a decision that that you're you know you're
Speaker 1: we're talking about decisions playing out over a handful of seconds.
Speaker 1: Dead on his feet, dead to rights, he's still dancing around,
Speaker 1: but he is going to die. Doesn't sound like there's
Speaker 1: much of a reason to shoot again. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: get a hit on something runs three or four steps,
Speaker 1: you can see the shot place. It's like out clear.
Speaker 1: You can see the shot placement. You can tell from
Speaker 1: body language, you know it's gonna be down within literally seconds.
Speaker 1: It's just not I just feel like it's you're not
Speaker 1: doing it a favor by shooting it again special. If
Speaker 1: it's already kind of like it's dead wall, it's it's
Speaker 1: like dead walls wall too. I feel like if if
Speaker 1: I took up a thirty cow through both lungs, I'm
Speaker 1: probably not feeling much else at that point. The world
Speaker 1: has gone fuzzy and gray, you know, immediately right, and
Speaker 1: the reverses is so true, you know it's it's what's
Speaker 1: worse than losing an animal that's been hit so sort
Speaker 1: of went in doubt, you know what I mean when
Speaker 1: in doubt, and that's kind of where I am. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know that the animals dead, honest feet, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't need to shoot again, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's the ones, especially those kind of marginal like near
Speaker 1: the spine hits where they drop and everybody's starting to,
Speaker 1: you know, get excited and unload their gun and all that.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, the animal pops up and
Speaker 1: is off like a shot. Now you've got a mess
Speaker 1: on your hands. Yeah, that's why I'm always thinking about
Speaker 1: putting another one into it if I can. You bow
Speaker 1: hunters might already know this. I'd be really curious to
Speaker 1: hear some opinions. But I learned from a buddy of mine,
Speaker 1: Jason Morrison, uh recently that you know, on on elk,
Speaker 1: you kill or you you shoot a bowl with it
Speaker 1: with an arrow, knock another arrow and shoot again. And
Speaker 1: and maybe that's habit for for you guys, but nothing
Speaker 1: to lose. I think for a lot of guys it's not.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if you're if you're able to
Speaker 1: get a second arrow in a in an elk, it
Speaker 1: helps a lot one up. Man, you know there's nothing
Speaker 1: to lose. Okay, ready with this one? Please? Is it
Speaker 1: okay to hunt squirrel in public land during deer hunting season?
Speaker 1: I know it's legal, but is it right? I know
Speaker 1: if I were going to hunt for ten days for
Speaker 1: deer and a squirrel hunter came through, I'd be pissed.
Speaker 1: What's the etiquette on this topic? We've covered this before.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're under any obligation whatsoever to determine
Speaker 1: who has a um, who has the rights to be
Speaker 1: in the woods. I just don't sucks for the deer hunter,
Speaker 1: yes it does, but it sucks for you more to
Speaker 1: stay home. I think you could do a good turn.
Speaker 1: You pull up to a little parking area on a
Speaker 1: little game management area and there's like a couple of
Speaker 1: trucks there. It's getting towards dusk, you know, if possible
Speaker 1: going on our direction, But if it came to be
Speaker 1: in that you feel like you need to sit home
Speaker 1: for them from October one November for fear of running
Speaker 1: into a bowl hunter. No, No, it's your woods too, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: public land owner. Yeah, it's just like it's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I think you could do like, yeah, if it's like courteous,
Speaker 1: if you're there, if you see the guy sitting in
Speaker 1: a tree stand, don't go stomp and under it. Maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, try to sneak around or something, But no
Speaker 1: reason you shouldn't be in the woods at that point.
Speaker 1: If you know there's a bowl hunt or the left,
Speaker 1: you could just easily go right. That's just courtesy. I
Speaker 1: killed a mountain goat right next to some ice climbers
Speaker 1: one time. How do they feel about that? Uh, we
Speaker 1: didn't really actually have a conversation, but the sheet of
Speaker 1: ice crap. They were able to talk afterwards. They weren't
Speaker 1: responded after I think that was like a share. That
Speaker 1: was an interesting combination ice climbers and mountain goat hunters.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm with you. You know, if it's yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's prime time, don't go in there, but go
Speaker 1: hunt in the middle of the day. But yeah, if
Speaker 1: it's going to keep you at home, I'd go into
Speaker 1: the woods and go squirrel hunting or hiking for that matter,
Speaker 1: or rabbit hunting or maybe I don't know whatever it
Speaker 1: might be in the woods during right, you know, deer season.
Speaker 1: I just hate the idea that a small game hunter
Speaker 1: would feel like a second class citizen in the hunting community.
Speaker 1: We need more small game hunter, squirrel huntings school, rabbit
Speaker 1: hunting school. You know, that's as legit as anything else
Speaker 1: we do. So I'm with I'm with you, get out there.
Speaker 1: But I do think the bowl hunters think that they
Speaker 1: have I think that they that their activities with trump others. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a can of worms. But yeah, I mean there
Speaker 1: is that add because they're more they're they're so invested
Speaker 1: in they got so much time invested in it, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like comes down to these like precise moments,
Speaker 1: and you've got like a ton of effort, working your
Speaker 1: ass off, practicing hanging stands. It's like, you know, waiting
Speaker 1: for the perfect moment, and then it gets blown by
Speaker 1: some dude who, from all appearances seems to be like
Speaker 1: kind of willy nilly, low commitment, low barrier to entry,
Speaker 1: wandering through the woods, shooting off twenty two shells and
Speaker 1: bullshit with his body. Right, It's like it can feel
Speaker 1: that way, but and yeend I think it's it's just
Speaker 1: not your place, man. It's like someone has just the
Speaker 1: same right you have. You gotta do your best to
Speaker 1: respect all the stakeholders at the table. Like if you're
Speaker 1: fly fisherman and some some guy comes floating down the
Speaker 1: river in an inner tube drinking a Coors Light. He's
Speaker 1: having a good time too, but you may be trying
Speaker 1: to stick a big brown trout in a spot that
Speaker 1: he happened to float right over. Yeah, you know, this
Speaker 1: is kind of a tangent though to what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: A couple of the guys, one of my buddies in particular,
Speaker 1: he's a great hunter. You know, we hunt public a lot,
Speaker 1: and we'll encounter other guys, and one of the things
Speaker 1: I admire about him is that he doesn't let the
Speaker 1: presence of other hunters deter him at all when he
Speaker 1: sees him. That's the eagle. The eagles like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that. So I think that
Speaker 1: when people feel that, like that drop that disheartening sense
Speaker 1: of oh my god, somebody just tromped through my space
Speaker 1: or I encountered a guy in my honey hole, it's
Speaker 1: impossible not to a little bit, but you gotta. But
Speaker 1: I think a good hunter just as like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna well, It's like when I go bear hunting
Speaker 1: in the spring, there's always dudes around, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can get real down on it, or you can
Speaker 1: just be like that guy's got no game. He ain't
Speaker 1: going to see the bears that I'm gonna see. And
Speaker 1: I've been on a vantage where I come back from
Speaker 1: a stock or something and there's a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: just looking around, Willy Nillion. They didn't see any of
Speaker 1: the bears there. Just like, must a change, man, because
Speaker 1: when I was back, when I was living here previously,
Speaker 1: no one, no one. There's a lot more bear hunters now. Man.
Speaker 1: It's a popular thing to do. Yeah, it used to
Speaker 1: be something fun to do in the spring that nobody did.
Speaker 1: No one. I know so many bear hunters. Hmm, it's
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous. Care what you talk about? They got
Speaker 1: spring fever, care for what you talk about? Just on
Speaker 1: that topic about there's sort of karma to the are
Speaker 1: in public land thing too. We were in public land
Speaker 1: hunting and uh two years ago in September and had
Speaker 1: a nice hunt on a good bull, didn't quite happen.
Speaker 1: Excited to go back the next day. Alarm goes off
Speaker 1: at four thirty and uh, you know, making coffee, getting
Speaker 1: boots on and here come to public hunters. So you know,
Speaker 1: right right through camp saying we watched your elk hunt yesterday.
Speaker 1: You mind if I go try to get that bullet
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's you know it's your it's your
Speaker 1: lamb too, man, go go for it. You want You
Speaker 1: wanna hear a good segment. I never heard of that before.
Speaker 1: You know, you're saying that your alarm went off. Here's
Speaker 1: a good segue. Check us out. A guy rolled in
Speaker 1: about his body. We're talking about what makes turkey shot gobble,
Speaker 1: all the sounds that will make turkey shot gob he said.
Speaker 1: One day his body pulls out to a turkey hunting
Speaker 1: spot and he got there a little early, and he's, um,
Speaker 1: I think you'll take a quick nap, but falls real
Speaker 1: to sleep and wakes up and it's already legal light,
Speaker 1: and he's in. He's so flustered and frantic get to
Speaker 1: get out that he likes, messes up his keys and
Speaker 1: what he's doing, and sets his own car alarm off,
Speaker 1: and his car alarm is going crazy, and a gobbler
Speaker 1: just sixty yards from his truck starts just hammering on
Speaker 1: the thing, gets the alarm off, goes down the trail
Speaker 1: twenty yards and calls that gobbler and to get them.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Ah, what else you add that to the list? Huh?
Speaker 1: It was already on the list. Oh, of things that
Speaker 1: make Gobler's gobble the best one I've heard lately about
Speaker 1: because we got I have a long list golling of
Speaker 1: noises that make Turkey's gowl and the best one I've
Speaker 1: heard in a long time. As the guy was saying
Speaker 1: the morning bells at a monastery when he taunts turkeys
Speaker 1: near a monastery and in the morning, go do dong,
Speaker 1: and the golers started hammering. You can do the same
Speaker 1: thing with bulls bugling. In late September, we had a
Speaker 1: guy say he doesn't He didn't want me to say
Speaker 1: this because he doesn't want to blow it. He said,
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody this. He hunts in Idaho and he
Speaker 1: brings his older bugle out and to spring to shot
Speaker 1: gobble Turkey. He's the holy ship. Does it work good? Huh? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: knows about that. Oh nice, I blow a rabbit distress
Speaker 1: calling that works up with gobble. That's funny. I've clapped
Speaker 1: real hard before and gotten to shot gobble at it.
Speaker 1: My brother whistle a big rip and whistle too. My
Speaker 1: brother goes hey. Speaking of hunting on public land, This
Speaker 1: fella found himself a sweet spot over hunting over two scrapes.
Speaker 1: He was all pumped up, got his tree stand in there,
Speaker 1: got in early, and right at first light, he catches
Speaker 1: his movement out of the corner of his eye. No,
Speaker 1: it's not a big old buck coming down the trail.
Speaker 1: It's another hunter, old dude who has a stand that
Speaker 1: he didn't see about seventy five yards away from him.
Speaker 1: He whistles, he gets his attention. The dude waves back
Speaker 1: and contin So he's not really worried about like the ethics,
Speaker 1: so like what you should do, But he's worried about
Speaker 1: like that. What's the associated hunting danger or danger that
Speaker 1: surrounds that. Hunting so close to another hunter that you
Speaker 1: don't know, You don't know what he's gonna do. None
Speaker 1: knows you're there, knows you're human being sitting seventy yards away. Well,
Speaker 1: unless he's just an idiot, right, it's more dangerous than
Speaker 1: being about yourself. Maybe, unless if you if you fall
Speaker 1: out of your stand, at least he's there to see
Speaker 1: if they haven't give your hand no dangers re lining,
Speaker 1: I say no dangers, I fall out of my stand.
Speaker 1: I got a buddy here to help me. And you
Speaker 1: say if he was rightful at bow hunting, it didn't say, well, no,
Speaker 1: I did both both season. Both season. I'm a lot
Speaker 1: more worried about the guy who doesn't see me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very true, for sure. Man. Yeah it's annoying, but
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't like when I'm out assessing danger. Right,
Speaker 1: you're out, You're always a set. You should be always
Speaker 1: be out assessing danger. And a guy comes up and
Speaker 1: we acknowledge each other's presence and he decides to hunt
Speaker 1: seventy five yards away from me. I'm not being like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is getting dangerous. I'm like, this is getting extremely annoying.
Speaker 1: Not dangerous, but extremely annoying. Have we talked about the
Speaker 1: story we heard from Maryland on the show. Yes, we
Speaker 1: talked about that. I think we did on the Maryland Show.
Speaker 1: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure, dude. I wish I
Speaker 1: knew for absolute positive, because the best story I've ever heard,
Speaker 1: the best hunting story I've ever heard. They won't mind,
Speaker 1: So buddy of bars down in Maryland is I don't
Speaker 1: know marsh and a heavy hunted area, and they're hunting
Speaker 1: these little islands of trees out in the swamp. Okay,
Speaker 1: out in the marsh. He gets up bright and squirreling,
Speaker 1: gets out in his thing way before light and gets
Speaker 1: set up in his little island. And these islands of
Speaker 1: timber can can be pretty small, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: ten trees or whatever. Make this a little island of timber.
Speaker 1: He gets set up and sure enough towards towards like later,
Speaker 1: toward light, here's the headlamp commed. He's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The headland keeps common and common and common and come
Speaker 1: until it gets to his island of trees, and he's
Speaker 1: like spotty. It says, hey, I'm hunting here, you know.
Speaker 1: And the guys like, well, I already got my stand over,
Speaker 1: so they don't really clarify what he's gonna do, but
Speaker 1: he acknowledges that he needs to go and do something
Speaker 1: with his stand So the guy comes right behind him.
Speaker 1: How many yards was eighteen? Yeah, something like you range
Speaker 1: finding him. He's in a tree eighteen yards away. It
Speaker 1: might mean less than that because because you're hear the
Speaker 1: rest of the story. So the guy starts pulling a chain.
Speaker 1: He's got it chained with like a heavy chain where
Speaker 1: he's like, as he's pulling the chain across the steel
Speaker 1: tree stand, he's like, oh my god, let's get it
Speaker 1: over with, you know. And he thinks he's unchaining the
Speaker 1: stand to move away. But after a minute, sure enough,
Speaker 1: it's like the unmistakable sound of bark. He's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: climbs up. I think it was thirteen yards. The guy
Speaker 1: finally gets position and he swings around his range finder
Speaker 1: and range finding the guy. I think it was thirteen
Speaker 1: yards away. As you'll you'll see in a minute how
Speaker 1: just how close they were. So he's looking out his
Speaker 1: side of the island and the guy's thirteen yards away
Speaker 1: looking out his side islands during muzzle over season. So
Speaker 1: eventually gets light out and sure enough, bouch out of
Speaker 1: this guy's tree. So our buddy like peers around to
Speaker 1: see what's going on, and there's a buck out in
Speaker 1: the march, clearly unscathed, and the guy is frantically trying
Speaker 1: to load his muzzleloader right for a second shot. So
Speaker 1: our buddy swings around in his stand, but the buck
Speaker 1: is also circling around. Make it sound like he's like
Speaker 1: now going to poach it. He's like not hit right,
Speaker 1: But the guy is like frantically trying to reload his muzzloaders.
Speaker 1: So our buddy swings around and shoots the buck perfect
Speaker 1: and the guy they're so close to guy whispers, you
Speaker 1: got him, our buddy. Our buddy climbs down and goes
Speaker 1: to retrieve the bucket. He can't find it, and the
Speaker 1: guy who's sitting in the other tree stand has to
Speaker 1: direct him. He's like to the right, so worked out
Speaker 1: to Yeah, so he Verry says he got his deer
Speaker 1: very quietly vacated the area. The best part of the
Speaker 1: best part of the story is the whisper got him?
Speaker 1: What else this it's probably a good one to finish
Speaker 1: up on. Um, we're gonna be about that time everybody
Speaker 1: needs to go home for dinner. But uh, this guy
Speaker 1: William asks, with all the hunts you're doing, bad weather,
Speaker 1: how does someone layer clothing on a budget? And sat
Speaker 1: way you layered on enough? Yeah, but I think you
Speaker 1: can think of like a cheap way to get warm
Speaker 1: and how do you keep your feet warm? Now, everybody's
Speaker 1: got a tip or trick for this guy. But think brevity,
Speaker 1: Phil you want to go first, there's no other way
Speaker 1: for you. I'm going long and deep. Or do you
Speaker 1: want to pass it? How to how to layer on
Speaker 1: a budget? Could get a job working for one of
Speaker 1: the camel companies. That would probably help um. Well. Here
Speaker 1: in Bozeman, if you go to the good will, you'll
Speaker 1: find a lot of stuff that skiers drop off they
Speaker 1: come for a week of skin. My wife has all
Speaker 1: sorts of really nice like Patagonia pants and stuff from
Speaker 1: local good wills. You'd be surprised with people actually donate
Speaker 1: any town, any town. Yeah. I used to get tons
Speaker 1: of hunting close from the Goodwill in the town of
Speaker 1: nine thousand people. It's called it's called St. Vincent same thing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't overlook that kind of thing. You know
Speaker 1: what you can find there. You know it might not
Speaker 1: be the latest and the greatest, but you know, if
Speaker 1: you're looking for bass layers, you know you don't have
Speaker 1: to be spending an arm in a leg to get them. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't super believe in camels, so a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff I wear hunting. You know, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: color it is. So if it's like you go over
Speaker 1: and it's on a sales rack and it's at Bob Ward's.
Speaker 1: It's like, pick that up. Especially rifle hunting. You don't
Speaker 1: need to wear camera rifle hunting nor hunting in my opinion,
Speaker 1: but that's just me. So yeah, look look on the
Speaker 1: sales racks, look at the good whales. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's much of a substitute for high quality gear.
Speaker 1: But um, certainly before I had nice stuff, say, you know,
Speaker 1: like a three d dollar down jacket, which is an
Speaker 1: incredible piece of installation. Um, I think like in my
Speaker 1: college days, I was wearing a lot of like LLL
Speaker 1: being fleeces and stuff like that, like layering cheaper garments
Speaker 1: that uh maybe more fleece like than high end treated
Speaker 1: down um, and utilizing that kind of stuff and always
Speaker 1: stayed warm. The same with gloves like my my best
Speaker 1: cold weather gloves or fourteen bucks at Murdocks their leather
Speaker 1: mittens and buy a pair to a year and then
Speaker 1: the most warm because I run the I call them
Speaker 1: Kerma the frog gloves. But those military surplus wool gloves
Speaker 1: every year, just anytime I can get ahold of them.
Speaker 1: And I grabbed some of those because you can put
Speaker 1: them underneath other gloves. They're cheap. You can get them
Speaker 1: online for ten bucks. As far as keeping your feet warm, um,
Speaker 1: maybe having boots a half a size bigger than normal,
Speaker 1: a little a little bit of air around your toes,
Speaker 1: all the difference, it's gonna be hard to beat. I
Speaker 1: get still sick of this man. People be like, I
Speaker 1: wish you had enough money to go hunting. It's like,
Speaker 1: come on, I hunted and lived like comfortably for a
Speaker 1: long time as a magazine writer, far below federal federal
Speaker 1: poverty level. It's like nothing. I was doing the first
Speaker 1: doll sheep hunt I went on. I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I had a boot, a pair of boots I bought
Speaker 1: at Circle Square pawn shop full on Army surplus rain
Speaker 1: where I had a wool shirt that I had coming
Speaker 1: into somewhere, and took a pair of another pair of pickles,
Speaker 1: a pair of pants and cut out material to so
Speaker 1: on big pockets onto my shirt with a needle and
Speaker 1: dental faust. We go on the woods rags man. On
Speaker 1: that trip, my brother was wearing underwear he found in
Speaker 1: a shopping cart in the alley behind his house. I'm
Speaker 1: not joking, because he were like he later had to
Speaker 1: cut him up to make bandages, and that guy us
Speaker 1: talking about where he got in the first place, and
Speaker 1: he found him in a shopping cart. It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: it's having great stuff is really nice because it frees
Speaker 1: your mind up to do other stuff. It's it's it is.
Speaker 1: It's more comfortable, it's more pleasurable, it's better. But if
Speaker 1: it comes down to if it no joke comes down
Speaker 1: to you staying home or or like going or not going.
Speaker 1: And you're going or not going based on whether you
Speaker 1: have like good technical apparel, you're never gonna be anything.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna be anything, and you're never gonna be happy.
Speaker 1: It's just like, listen, it's true. If it's like I
Speaker 1: can't go because I don't have the come on, come on.
Speaker 1: I was in my thirties four I had a rifle
Speaker 1: that wasn't hand me down rifle. It's like, give me
Speaker 1: a break. I'm left handed. I shot right handed, rifle
Speaker 1: still is. In my thirties, I got a left hand rifle.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure how to use it. It's just like
Speaker 1: if that, if that's like really keeping you out of
Speaker 1: the woods. But that's not even answering this question. It's like,
Speaker 1: go down find every used store, every goodwill, Salvation, Army, st.
Speaker 1: Vincent in your town, and every month drop in there
Speaker 1: and see what they got laying around and just make
Speaker 1: it your summer project. You'll outfit yourself. Right. It might
Speaker 1: not be the best up, it's functional, it might be
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. My wife's hunting pants are from a good
Speaker 1: will that she found. It was just you know, in
Speaker 1: a ski town, people drop it off because they'll never
Speaker 1: use it again. You know, when she's got a high
Speaker 1: end pair of pants that probably retail for two bucks
Speaker 1: that she got for twenty bucks. Yeah, I would, in
Speaker 1: all fairness. All the time I was doing that, dude,
Speaker 1: I was totally lusting after, like really bomber great apparel.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about difference between going and not going.
Speaker 1: And you can go and be comfortable, and you can
Speaker 1: be wishing and dreaming about getting some sweeter stuff, but
Speaker 1: you just got at a point you just gotta decide
Speaker 1: you're just gonna go um and then figure the rest out.
Speaker 1: Keeping your toes warm, Uh yeah, I have a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger. If you got some old pawnshop boots, put
Speaker 1: some snow seal on them. Used toe warmers like those
Speaker 1: little what do you call them warmers? Handwarmers for your toes.
Speaker 1: Those things are great. Then go you go out and
Speaker 1: you know, go after hunting season down your local sporting
Speaker 1: good story and usually giving those things away because they
Speaker 1: don't last forever. Good one. The other thing about about
Speaker 1: your feet is it's it's moisture management is such a
Speaker 1: huge deal, you know, and uh, if everything's working properly
Speaker 1: and you're in a situation where you're hiking and ascending,
Speaker 1: you're you're perspiring, your whole body's perspiring. And and something
Speaker 1: I tell a lot of guys is, you know, layering
Speaker 1: it's great, but you got to actually layer. You know,
Speaker 1: when when you're about to ascend it could be very
Speaker 1: very cold, use your layers, you know, put take your
Speaker 1: coat off and put it in your pack and the
Speaker 1: hardest thing stripped down, you know, and you're only gonna
Speaker 1: be chilly just for a second, and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: be hot and and sweating. Well, all that sweat goes
Speaker 1: to your feet, and so managing moisture, managing perspiration inside
Speaker 1: your goes to your feet. You're saying that like dripping
Speaker 1: down your legs. You know, I'm being figurative a little bit.
Speaker 1: But your feet are sweating too, you know, and and so,
Speaker 1: uh you know, I had a I had a situation
Speaker 1: one time where a guy said, hey, I just got
Speaker 1: these boots in there there giving me trouble. I can't
Speaker 1: stay warm. And I gotta started talking to him. And
Speaker 1: he worked as a security guy in a mountain town.
Speaker 1: And uh, you said, yeah, you know, I put I
Speaker 1: get dressed. And I said, well, wait, hang on a second,
Speaker 1: how far is your drive to work? So I asked
Speaker 1: about an hour, you know, fourth pennutes. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'll hot your car smoking. You know, it's twenty below
Speaker 1: zero outside, it's seventy five degrees in your car, and
Speaker 1: by the time you get there, your feet are sweating. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a friend of cat hunts who does he
Speaker 1: who won't blow hot air on his feet, and he
Speaker 1: won't put his boots on until he gets there, and
Speaker 1: he keeps his boots in the back so his feet
Speaker 1: don't get oversweated before he gets out and actually goes
Speaker 1: hiking or even sweat on cold boots on purpose. Yes,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, because you know, he's just trying to keep
Speaker 1: his feet dry. The whole time, or you know, packing
Speaker 1: an extra pair of socks, and when you do get
Speaker 1: sweatered up, take the time to take him off, get
Speaker 1: your feet aired out, put on fresh socks. You put
Speaker 1: on a fresh pair of dry socks and your feet
Speaker 1: feel like a million dollars. It's like you just treated
Speaker 1: yourself to a day at the spot. It's unbelievable. Pair
Speaker 1: of socks in your pack is a great tip. It
Speaker 1: going last man because you guys keep stealing. I got
Speaker 1: I got more, Toad got more of dead. We're running
Speaker 1: mountain lions with a guy. Um, And it was no joke.
Speaker 1: It was third team below zero. He had uninsulated leather boots.
Speaker 1: He says, I, he goes, I got sweaty feet. I
Speaker 1: do better all day. I do better to keep my
Speaker 1: feet warm with uninsulated boots because the minute I started
Speaker 1: doing anything, they sweat up. I do that same thing.
Speaker 1: And when we're out working, it's a real thing, Um,
Speaker 1: when you got it, when you start out in the morning,
Speaker 1: it's a real thing with like having the discipline and
Speaker 1: having everybody get on board, to have the discipline to
Speaker 1: strip down before you hike, because people want to start
Speaker 1: and in in five minutes and someone's got like five minutes later,
Speaker 1: someone else is gonna shed later. And I don't have
Speaker 1: the best discipline, Like I screwed this up too, But
Speaker 1: like if you're smart, you're stripped down and you're waiting
Speaker 1: for everybody put their package. You're doing push ups because
Speaker 1: you're like, I just gotta keep warm until we get going.
Speaker 1: That's the person that winds up winning. But it requires
Speaker 1: so much discipline. I still, all these years later, I
Speaker 1: still am always getting to the top something. He'll sweat
Speaker 1: my ass off because I was too lazy. I was
Speaker 1: too lazy to do what I know I should have done.
Speaker 1: And then you're up there, and then you want to
Speaker 1: talk about cold. Then you're kind of cold. It's hard
Speaker 1: to recover from trying to get soaking wet, windy, sitting
Speaker 1: still cold. It's different than the chili getting ready to
Speaker 1: walk cold. That's a that's a killer cold, and you
Speaker 1: try to manage it, but you know how it is.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're just you're in a hurry. You're fighting. You know,
Speaker 1: you want to get there before the sun comes up,
Speaker 1: and so you're jamming and you're just, yeah, some of
Speaker 1: these fights you're not gonna win. These are just things
Speaker 1: you have to learn to deal with. Yeah, there's sometimes
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be a sweaty mess. When I was
Speaker 1: a little kid, my dad pounded it. He was him
Speaker 1: was scent control. But like walking so slow out your
Speaker 1: tree stand and put carrying your clothes with you and
Speaker 1: always staying cold, stay in chili, you know, and then
Speaker 1: putting your clothes on because he's always worried about that
Speaker 1: perspiration and deer smelling you. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: full circle and then we started talking about that a
Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah, I think a lot of guys
Speaker 1: are afraid to be cold. It's okay to be cold
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, there is that, like you said,
Speaker 1: after you've done the hike and you're in the wind
Speaker 1: and stuff and that kind of full body tremor type
Speaker 1: stuff that sucks. But just general cold, you're feep being
Speaker 1: a little cold, your hands being a little cold, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. Makes being warm a lot cooler.
Speaker 1: Fee is no fun. We're gonna find out how good
Speaker 1: Yanni is because if he can still come up with
Speaker 1: some original material, see how good he is. You guys
Speaker 1: couldn't see that, but I just cracked my knuckles. Is
Speaker 1: that what that's called a thing where you're like getting
Speaker 1: ready to read what I would have done about you
Speaker 1: into my palms like in the old days when someone's
Speaker 1: gonna use like a sledge hammer. Yeah, spitting your palms
Speaker 1: like you're getting ready to work. Yeah, it's not totally original,
Speaker 1: but I think I work off of the perspiration thing.
Speaker 1: And another thing that actually that same cat hunter that
Speaker 1: you were speaking of, Bruce was doing and he was
Speaker 1: a real stickler on was and we were day hunting.
Speaker 1: But the pets dryers or however you can do it.
Speaker 1: But those boot they hold some moisture from your from
Speaker 1: your feet that sweat dry them out every night. Get
Speaker 1: that moisture completely out. That'll keep your feet warmer. That's
Speaker 1: the best you can do. Get a pizza dryer. What No,
Speaker 1: it's saying, when you're using your boots day in and
Speaker 1: day out, start them off dry, get that moisture out
Speaker 1: from the day before. Hit me with another one, Come on, um,
Speaker 1: another one I've heard of. I can't say I've ever done.
Speaker 1: He's going into hear, but I believe it. I believe
Speaker 1: it works because it works around the whole having air
Speaker 1: inside your boot and having that zone events of air
Speaker 1: insulation is having some sort of an insult. And then
Speaker 1: I've heard that people will actually take like, uh, you
Speaker 1: know the style foam that your ground meat comes in.
Speaker 1: We'll cut that out in the shape of an insult
Speaker 1: and put it underneath their insult to give another layer
Speaker 1: of air between them and the ground. The stuff of
Speaker 1: the state comes up. Yeah you heard of that, John, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not bad like that. Yeah I did like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't say I've tried it, but I started throwing
Speaker 1: in a little gonna start throwing in a little meat
Speaker 1: packing materials. You're a little kid, your mom would we go?
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. Okay, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep working down right through the sole of the boot.
Speaker 1: And so if you're standing around and you're getting cold feet,
Speaker 1: and this is a mountaineering trick, you take your butt
Speaker 1: pad and lay it down and stand on it and
Speaker 1: start the cold ground of the cold snow. That'sh walking circles.
Speaker 1: I'm serious. If I'm stationary in a glassing spot or
Speaker 1: whatever and you're freezing cold and your feet and your
Speaker 1: feet turned into ice cubes, I'll just walk and walk
Speaker 1: and walking a little circle, high step. I always wondered
Speaker 1: what you were doing. Yeah, I thought was lost. Got
Speaker 1: that game running off that hill again. I'll give you
Speaker 1: another one. When you're sitting there and you're not and
Speaker 1: you're on that glass and tip you know you're not
Speaker 1: gonna go hiking off for a little while, Loosen your
Speaker 1: boots up, don't keep them crazy, leave some room in there.
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one if you really have a
Speaker 1: cold feet problem. They make over boots. M hmm yep.
Speaker 1: And um, we we met a dude. What's that store
Speaker 1: in Anchorage Wiggy's. We met a dude was saying like
Speaker 1: he had some over boots. You need a separate backpack.
Speaker 1: Came around. You're saying like you like, actually cannot get
Speaker 1: cold with those over boots and mushers, you know, mushers
Speaker 1: use them guys. You know interesting cat. Oh you know
Speaker 1: about the whole deal. He is an interesting dude. You
Speaker 1: know when you're a little kid and your mom would
Speaker 1: um put those bread bags, like line your boot with
Speaker 1: a bread bag to keep waterproof and let's good way
Speaker 1: to get cold plastic bag. Oh yeah, man, like like
Speaker 1: the like the wonder bread sack. I remember, like my
Speaker 1: mom like whenever we had moon boots. My mom's sticking
Speaker 1: at bread bag down in there. I can't remember why.
Speaker 1: It's about being cold once in a while, it's bad.
Speaker 1: I remember learning how to duck up when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, probably eight years old or something. Freezing,
Speaker 1: just miserable, you know, and how did you what? What?
Speaker 1: What was the lesson? Get down and shut up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so worried about you. Keep warm. I am
Speaker 1: about you keep quiet exactly? Are we good? N yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we can keep going. But we've been at
Speaker 1: it almost two hours. I'm good. We can do some
Speaker 1: closing thoughts. Oh, there you go. Anybody has any there
Speaker 1: you go, Phil Man, closer, John. I was prepared for
Speaker 1: you guys to corner us with the hot tips thing,
Speaker 1: because that's listen, don't worry. We're doing a hot tip off,
Speaker 1: and like as soon as we wrap this up, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do We're gonna do too hot tip off. We're
Speaker 1: doing a double hot tip off. Very good, got like
Speaker 1: six so I'm ready to go. Oh nice, you're gonna
Speaker 1: take all my how to keep your food feet warm? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to. If you're interested in hot tipoffs,
Speaker 1: what hot tip This is my concluding thought, Johnnie, if
Speaker 1: you're interesting with a hot tip off? Is a hot
Speaker 1: tip off is like a bake off, except it's when
Speaker 1: you give hot tips. And if you go to the
Speaker 1: meat eat or TV, what's what's the exact handle? I
Speaker 1: don't want to mess it up. Meat Oh, Instagram at
Speaker 1: meter eat at meat or meat Eater or TV on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and there we post hot tip offs where you get
Speaker 1: a room full of people or two people and they
Speaker 1: have a hot tip off contest who's got the hottest
Speaker 1: hunting fish and tip. Very popular hot tipoffs. That's my
Speaker 1: concluder double Concluder. Concluder is by the Meat Eater, Fish
Speaker 1: and Game cookbook, recipes and techniques for every hunter and
Speaker 1: angler by it now. It is released and out and
Speaker 1: ready for you. Concluder man. And I hope everybody has
Speaker 1: a great Thanksgiving. I'm really excited for Thanksgivings. I don't
Speaker 1: have to spend it alone hunting because this is gonna
Speaker 1: air polish Thanksgiving. So you should say, I hope you
Speaker 1: had a one. I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and still are very full from here. Bountiful meal you
Speaker 1: had with your family. Uh, that's about it. Happy holiday season.
Speaker 1: You can't wait for the Christmas music? Are you sure? Oh?
Speaker 1: I love it. I like that that tune. I like
Speaker 1: that drummer boy tune. Which what's your favorite? You know
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big sucker for Frank Sinatra. Come on, really,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's like bathe that man what I'm
Speaker 1: like so little Italian. I don't even like him anymore.
Speaker 1: My dad liked him cause he's just enough Italian to like. Oh,
Speaker 1: just like he over sells all that. It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: I'm a d. C. Burman from the Silver jews Man.
Speaker 1: He said, all my favorite singers couldn't sing. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm a petty man. Petty anyone that can't sing. I
Speaker 1: like just the grunge, just just getting it out. Just
Speaker 1: let me just get it out. So now you didn't
Speaker 1: write you that stuff. He was an interpreter. Come on,
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas everyone. I try to think of a good
Speaker 1: Sonata tune. Oh there's too many. Well, thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on starts spreading the news. I didn't know I
Speaker 1: could sing that good start spreading the news. Oh no,
Speaker 1: hold new career, Phil, you were saying. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say thanks for having me on. I appreciate it was
Speaker 1: fun to do. And yeah, when your new bow shows up,
Speaker 1: hit me up and I'll trick it out, check it out,
Speaker 1: and maybe working, don't you form? Your form is good?
Speaker 1: You were talking about you know, yeah, your shot sequence?
Speaker 1: How you you know, get in your head. I got
Speaker 1: a lot of work I need to do. Man, we
Speaker 1: can get you in your head. So you just made
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. And cool old killer with that boner.
Speaker 1: And I made a lot of mistakes this year. I
Speaker 1: got a lot of work I need to do. We'll
Speaker 1: get you, We'll get you hooked up. Thank you, John
Speaker 1: or John Well. I hope everybody has a great holiday
Speaker 1: season as well, and jumps right into predators. Now now
Speaker 1: it's time for that to start picking up. What about
Speaker 1: ice fishing? One of my favorite times a year. Ice
Speaker 1: fish is good too. I don't know, are you hard
Speaker 1: water angler? Oh yeah, really so I'm laying out all winter.
Speaker 1: So we drove by one of my favorite bourbon spots
Speaker 1: the other day, and the whole thing we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about this is glassed over right now. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before it's safe enough. I
Speaker 1: got me, I got me a brand new fore man eskimo,
Speaker 1: and then I got me a brand new eyeon ardor
Speaker 1: that there being a beat lake when I get down
Speaker 1: with it, ice is gonna be gone. Then drill the
Speaker 1: whole egg and then fish it on a boat. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be out on a floating ice cube. Actually, we
Speaker 1: did just make a resolution, me and my saying, stay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a bunch of white fish this winter.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a bunch of whitefish, cooking fish, mountain
Speaker 1: white fish out of the river, those kind of white
Speaker 1: fish river river whitefish, grateful blue basse, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they'll be fishing. Is that it yet more
Speaker 1: that I've got I've got a bunch of hot shooting tips,
Speaker 1: But it looks like we're not going that give us
Speaker 1: one right now? With the hell all right exposed? When
Speaker 1: did caps on your turrets on your scope, tape, shot tape,
Speaker 1: tape and tape and taping they have no business being there?
Speaker 1: Just when, just when did your elevation to just just
Speaker 1: quit screwing around with this stuff? Now? Aren't there a
Speaker 1: bunch of funny stories about guys hiking with non zero
Speaker 1: stop elevation turrets? You know and oh yeah, I've had
Speaker 1: a half. Oh my goodness, just like sitting away like
Speaker 1: laught and bag right and left where I am the
Speaker 1: best animal your life. Talk about a buzz kill, Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. By concluding thus, John Edwards, get the cookbook,
Speaker 1: it's insane, I like this. Yeah, yeah, that was. We
Speaker 1: had a super cool event the other night with these
Speaker 1: guys and uh, the cookbooks. Great. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: read a recipe and put it into work, so that's
Speaker 1: kind of mine my thing. Good thanks for having us
Speaker 1: at the place. Man, it was fun. It's a great venue.
Speaker 1: It was a fun event. Yeah. Yeah, Steve, Steve, Steve
Speaker 1: and Yanni both. I mean, you guys rocked the house.
Speaker 1: But I mean how long how long did you meet
Speaker 1: and greet? Three hours? Four there until pretty late. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it went, it went long. But I meant to say,
Speaker 1: like they were people who flew in from most Missouri
Speaker 1: and Jersey to Montana. From Jersey. From Jersey was the
Speaker 1: farthest I think, so I heard Jersey, Oklahoma. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are the too far one. You know that we ought
Speaker 1: to do John as we should uh do an annual
Speaker 1: holiday party man at SNAs like it. We'd always have
Speaker 1: a reason. We have to worry about making up reasons
Speaker 1: all the time. Just do it normal. And then we
Speaker 1: had this sort of super secret thing down the street
Speaker 1: at a little speakeasy. How did that go? That was
Speaker 1: I've been talking about? Was it all right? The best thing? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like I have another regret
Speaker 1: in life now. That was turning down that invite. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I don't know what the rules are here,
Speaker 1: So it was, um My, including thought is you guys
Speaker 1: don't even know about it. Steve does though, But by
Speaker 1: the time this airs, if you have not heard about
Speaker 1: the new how to gut a deer, me eat your bandana,
Speaker 1: you've been living under a rock. And if you haven't
Speaker 1: gotten one yet for a stocking stuffer, you're being naughty.
Speaker 1: Set your set, your new friends, your new hunting buddies up,
Speaker 1: Set your old hunting buddies up. If they really know
Speaker 1: how to go to deer, it'd be like a fun
Speaker 1: guy joke. Tell me, haven't really shot that many things?
Speaker 1: They might need a little refresher. Talk about how you
Speaker 1: came up with the idea. I came up with the idea.
Speaker 1: I think two ideas sort of collided. Um, I was
Speaker 1: packing around a orange bandana that has a bunch of
Speaker 1: like emergency survival tips on it. I just always have
Speaker 1: a bandana in my rear pocket because my nose runs
Speaker 1: and cold weather, no matter how good I'm feeling, and
Speaker 1: I like to keep it clean. Its affiliated or anything. No, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's not flopping out of my rear pocket.
Speaker 1: My left one, no, tightly tucked away. And um so
Speaker 1: I had that. And then I think Garrett's girlfriend was
Speaker 1: out gutting a deer by herself and referencing pictures on
Speaker 1: her cell phone that she had taken of the Big
Speaker 1: Game guide books. I forgot about that, and so she's
Speaker 1: sitting there in the field cold. It actually was like
Speaker 1: a coal. I think it's two years ago. We had
Speaker 1: like a really cold late November. Yeah, and Dirt was
Speaker 1: hunting with some other dudes somewhere else. That's right. His
Speaker 1: girlfriend's hunting one area and he's offen some whole other
Speaker 1: area hunt with mugs with his buddies. She got a deer.
Speaker 1: So anyways, yeah, those I heard that story, and I
Speaker 1: was looking at this bandana. I was thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: be a good idea to have the instructions on how
Speaker 1: to go to deer on a bandana that also has
Speaker 1: other uses like blowing your nose, tying it onto an
Speaker 1: antler for actually safety when you're packing it out, flagging
Speaker 1: your friend. You and I are always flagging each other,
Speaker 1: especially in Cou's deer country with orange. Yeah, and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, go laught. That's right. Plus fashion fashion, you know,
Speaker 1: make a statement Willie Nelson man about all that dude
Speaker 1: got done with a bandana tied around his head. That's right.
Speaker 1: We haven't even mentioned that you could wear it as
Speaker 1: a head dress headpiece. So there you go, by a bandana.
Speaker 1: I like that really song where he's trying to convince
Speaker 1: his lady. He's like, yeah, you know, I run around
Speaker 1: a lot, but I'll always come home to you. That
Speaker 1: doesn't go over well anymore. Thank you for listening. Is
Speaker 1: that all right? If I say it, and I'd never
Speaker 1: get to say that. Yeah, wrapper up, all right, Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening.