WEBVTT - Ep. 144: Tough-Assed Questions 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me your podcast coming in you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:23.480 vote bitten in my case underwear lissen. He can't predict anything. Um, 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.600 everyone's familiar with the expression six and one half No, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:32.760 six and one right, six and one a half dozen 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:37.040 in the other Yanni just has truncated it. He shortened 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:38.839 it to where when there's a thing where there's a 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.879 decision to make and and you know, going left and 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.839 going right, there's no difference. Uh, He'll say, it's just sixes. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.760 But I can't take credit for that. You can't know. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.680 I think you invented that. The reason I bring it 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.839 up is there's we have a full house right now, 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.120 so I feel like you should do some intros. Oh 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.560 I canna introduce everybody quickly. That's a good idea. That's 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.440 a good yeah. I think with the A lot of 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.240 times when you do the introductions it takes way too long. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.440 But as you like to do dealing cards. I'll start 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.880 off to my left with Mr Johnson, who now is 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.119 uh it right, shooting editor for both Outdoor Life and 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:19.760 Field and Stream a lot of shooting a lot from Balzman. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:25.520 John Edwards, owner of says Balzman as well Mr Stephen 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:32.480 Ronella Pete Munich, the sales manager from Stone Glacier. Is 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.280 that what you do down there? You were a lot 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.160 of hats, like they got to give you a bigger, 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.080 get bigger business card. Just hand out full pieces of 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:46.319 paper eight and a half resumes and Philip Larson and 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.320 I don't know your title at Black Gold Archery that well. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.680 Right now, I'm doing the design work. But I've been 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.640 there for fifteen years, so I've also wore quite a 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.320 few hats over the years. We go visit design. That's 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.280 all I do. Rattle off what you guys make down there, 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.720 tight spot, tight spot quivers, you ripcorded air arrests, and 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.800 then black old bow sites and so if you've seen 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.880 a black Old product from any of those companies in 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.440 the last ten years, uh, I have none of that 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.320 ship on my bow and that weird man. It's awesome. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.800 Here you're sitting and here's my You know, I'm gonna 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.680 take my new rig over though we're gonna go over it. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.680 We'll have to change that. You didn't healthy get souped 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.000 up though, make sure everything was ready to go. Let 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.320 me accessorized, though many we can do that. I'm gonna 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.280 make an accessorizing appointment. My father will be so happy. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.519 Now he can't stand listening when he doesn't know who's talking. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.360 This will be a much better experience. I like it 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.520 because it builds tension when you can't tell who's talking. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.600 Very suspenseful. Did you guys other if you guys caught this? 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.160 This is good. Where so dudes, a dude in Florida's 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:03.120 fishing your clear water and un amer rights activist who 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.560 is apparently coming from a protest at a fast food restaurant. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.240 So he's like, he's him and his boy are leaving 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.919 a fast food restaurant protest, right, So he's jacked up, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.160 and he stumbles across some dude on a pier who's fishing. 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.360 He's got a telapia. Dude's got a telapia like laid 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.560 out on the pier and um, which is funny because 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.400 it's like he's got like a non native, like a 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.920 deleterious exotic, right, like a non native fish. And this dude, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.280 the AMA rights guy freaks out and grabs his fish, 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.440 grabs the fish and hooks it back in the water. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.280 And this is I'm gonna make his shirt that says 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.360 this because the AMA rights guy throws the tilapia in 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.560 the water and yells. According to bystanders, he yells called 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.880 the police, I just saved a fish his life. And 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.640 the cop comes out and to wrest him and finds 0:03:53.680 --> 0:04:00.280 him five hundred bucks for showing the dude's thing. It's 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.240 priority dead too. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't. He wasn't doing 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.920 keeping wet. If it sounds like yet it laid out 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.800 its laying on the pier for pier. My buddy NiFe 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.680 I wrote in with this, this is interesting. We're just 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.200 doing a little that. If you boys aren't familiar, we 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.080 just doing a little recap news recap things that mugs 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.440 right in about people getting all mad about stuff we 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:25.320 said that wasn't correct. Um hunters right especially these days, 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:30.520 or eyes yacking up um the significance of our contributions 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:35.039 to the wildlife restoration program. Pittman robertson fund my buddy 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:40.080 ni fi um rights in and he this is some 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.520 older numbers, but no one ever compiled them before, Like 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.200 I said, like hunters are I was like, oh, hunters 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.520 do all this good, you know, through excise taxes charged 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.839 on firearms and ammunition. The money that goes to wildlife. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.200 So I should back up. When you buy archery equipment, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.560 you buy firearms, you buy ammunition, a sword, and other things, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.440 even boat gas. Right in some marine boat gas, there 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.760 are excise taxes that you pay, and these exercise taxes 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.800 go to wildlife restoration programs, so they pay for wildlife. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.080 And um it's been you know, these programs have been 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:16.560 funding wildlife for eighty years to the tunes of billions 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:22.200 of dollars. Uh. The Pittman Robertson fund is the one 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:30.160 that comes from ammunition and firearms, and uh of the 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.720 um money that comes in of firearms sales dollars. So 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.440 so the more the excise taxes and firearms only can 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:44.960 be assigned to hunting purposes, eight are from non hunting shooters. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.719 That's a lot of So it should be like the 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.680 little old ladies who have a pistol for personal protection 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.160 should be like Pittman Robertson, bro. But it's like hunters 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.239 are talking up all the time. Only comes from hunters, 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.479 that's right, and that there's a big tension there between 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.120 hunters and shooters. Because if you read the Act, you 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.400 know we talked about um it going to wildlife, but 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.480 its specifically says in there for also shooting range development. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.760 And this has been a burn under the saddle of 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.359 a lot of shooters over the years who feel like 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.880 that they're not getting their fair shake in that equation 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.360 and they've actually got a really really good point. Yeah, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.960 they have a good point. Um, I understand it. It's 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.320 like one of those things, you know, those situations jam 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.960 where there's like right and wrong and then what you hope. Right, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:35.600 So it's like right and wrong, be like, oh, hey, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.400 you look at that, like you look at those numbers. Well, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.200 just to follow up on that, so that was firearms 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:45.320 ammunition point six hunting purposes, seventy three point four for 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.000 non hunting purposes. It's a little bit of a slightly 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.040 different but basically the same thing in terms of like 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.080 what's right and wrong and then your hopes. It's like, yeah, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.400 you look at the right and wrongness. They should have 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.000 a big seat at the table shooters right around shooting 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:06.440 facilities whatnot. Um, but dude, I hate to like like 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:11.240 I hate to starve the wildlife funds, right, Yeah, no 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.240 you don't, you don't want to do that. But I 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.680 think this is something, this is part of a bigger 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.800 conversations about where our world is talking, you know, because 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:24.160 hunters need shooters for exactly this reason. You know, the 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:26.560 shooters are the ones who are carrying the freight to 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.480 help us pay for these conservation programs. You know. Likewise, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:35.240 I think shooters need hunters in terms of um just 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.280 the general issue over gun rights and gun access and 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.480 everything else. I think hunters play a key role in that. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.360 But it's it's this dynamic where sometimes these two populations 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.760 are squaring off against each other, and I think a 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:54.239 slightly deeper look shows that there's really a mutually necessary 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:56.800 kind of relationship that needs to be foster. But from 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.080 the shooter standpoint, you know, we as owners. I'm also 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.560 a shooter, but have to maybe give them a little 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.120 bit more of a place at the table and give 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.200 those issues because if people don't have places to shoot, 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.160 the ankingna hunt either. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.040 think it's a symbiotic relationship for sure, But I think 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.280 correct me if I'm wrong. The Pittman Robertson Act was 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.240 originally enacted for the purpose of restoring wildlife. The Wildlife 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.840 Restoration Act it is. But you read you read the language, 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.720 it says shooting range development right in it and the 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:32.120 original act from Franklin Roosevelt, that original act like from 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.760 the Roosevelt. Absolutely, because what I was gonna say is 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.200 it's it's not static. I mean, it could very well 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.880 be that that we need some new legislation or something 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.880 to address some of the needs of the shooting community 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.959 that are not necessarily high. It's it's already, it's already 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.959 in there. I mean, the you know, the thing is 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.520 is that and you know you kind of think about it. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.560 How many hunters do you know? I'm on the same 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.480 box of Remington corelocks I've been using for five years. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.920 You know, it's like you buy twenty shells and is 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.800 this is good for ten years? I wanted to check 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.600 my zero on right on. Thank thanks for pulling on 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:08.000 the oars, buddy. We appreciate your support as opposed to 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.120 the guy who's buying you know, uh you know, uh 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.880 ammo canca to two three every other week and just 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.800 you know, hosing down steel at the target. That's the 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:22.640 guy who's financially contributing. I knew, Listen, it was a 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.000 shock to me when I read it this morning. I knew, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.360 like I I if you'd have had me lay it out. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.280 I probably I wouldn't have laid it out at that. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.319 I would have laid it out at like, uh, I 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.199 wouldn't have gone fifty fifty, but I wouldn't have gone 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.600 I would have been somewhere in the I've been out. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.840 So you're saying, for every dollar I spend as a 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:45.960 hunter someone, there's four other dollars being spent by target shooters. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.800 For every dollar that, every dollar or years that winds 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:53.880 up into the Wildlife Restoration Fund. Shoot well, shooters, shooters, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.320 so recreations, shooters, target shooters, defensive handgun that what's the 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.199 what's the data on the overlap up there? Because here 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.640 in Montana, I'm looking at at Matt Miller and we, uh, 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.760 you know, we just joined this awesome new shooting facility 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.600 in three Forks, Montana. Uh that Glenn dem Ray is running. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.120 But there's gonna be a tremendous overlap between shooters and 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.040 hunters at least, well especially well, I think that they're 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.560 trying to pull out, like of course there's different people. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:23.880 I think they're kind of pulling out like what the 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.160 purpose was for? So okay, so ammunition and firearms combined, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.160 here's the real Okay, so I was giving me the 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.520 numbers wire have separated out, but NiFi also sent the 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:39.200 numbers for combined combined twenty two point five percent can 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.480 be assigned to hunting purposes. In the remainder seventy seven 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.120 point five to non hunting purposes. They were not It 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.040 was not possible to here. Here's interesting. It was not 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:54.719 possible to assess archery sales. Lord knows how they do it. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.480 I'll get clared, I'll get some clarification, and I'll and 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.199 I'll try to explain how the n s s F 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.800 pulled up these figures. I'm doing something with the NSSF 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.320 right now around their child safe storage program, which we're 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.920 gonna be launching pretty soon. Um, we're talking about trail 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.840 cams and how for a while we're talking about trail 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:22.920 cams and my feeling that even though I use them, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.160 my feeling that at some point we're gonna wind up 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.120 needing to have like a reckoning with trail cameras the 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.720 way the same way we had to have a reckoning 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.400 with drones. Right It's it's gonna be that, like in 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.240 the not so distant future, you're gonna have all these 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.480 live feed trail cameras, and basically the temptation would be 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.480 just like to hunt off a lot, like you're gonna 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:45.360 be out in the woods turkey hunting with and you've 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.320 got you know, a dozen live feed cameras going and 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.200 you just kind of scroll through and find out where 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.760 you ought to walk over and you know, set up. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.480 It's not I mean, that's not far off at all. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.240 You can basically do it right now. Yeah, that already, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.400 that completely exists right now. Yeah. And my thing that 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.720 like not even at like forgetting me advocating on it. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:07.440 My prediction that state agencies are going to take steps 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.920 to get out ahead of this um. And a lot 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.080 of guys wrote in to clarify that. In Nevada on 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.280 public land, we'll get a bunch of notes about hard 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.280 to said that word. In Nevada on public land, no 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.920 trail camps August one to December thirty one, and Montana 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.760 was doing the same thing and quit doing it, just 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:33.920 changed they change it back again. It was legal, then 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.160 it became illegal, then it became legal. God love no 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.480 that thinking, Yeah, they're all over the map. I mean 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.320 it was it was as long as I've been here, 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.839 not legal to have cameras up during hunting season. I 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.560 remember when it became ill you were here before I was. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:56.000 You know another thing we're talking about sent blockers. This 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.959 is when we had Mark Kenyon from Wire to Hunt, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.720 who's a frequent guest, sent blocker stuff. Right, do your stuff? 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.520 You spraying yourself so you don't smell too dear? And okay, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.920 this is two things we were talking about. We're talking 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.880 about scent blockers, and then we were talking about how 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.720 good dogs can smell, and like what dogs smell and 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:15.599 how dogs knows his works. So this is kind of 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.480 a combo deal. We're Another guy who works in canine 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.360 units rolled in and he was saying, when all the 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.240 scent blocker ship came out, all these sprays and all 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:28.800 this in the canine world, in the law enforcement canine world, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.880 they started to get very concerned about what would be 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:38.000 the implications love these products on their ability to pursue suspects, 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.280 detect drugs. You know what I was watching here and 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.560 I just quick side note. Have you guys seen Mike 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:49.920 Judges Tales from the Tour Bus is the greatest. It's 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.880 an animated series of all the outlaw country people. We 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.440 gotta get Pets Part one. Dude, it's it's like by 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:02.560 the guy Mike Judge, you did like family guy right, Um, yeah, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.640 so they got like it's on Cinema, you can buy 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.679 it on iTunes. It's it's a Cinemas original, but I've 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.160 been buying it on iTunes and it's like, so it's 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.920 Tammy Wynett and George Jones Part one and two, Johnny 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.600 Paycheck Part one, and it's mostly about just the amount 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.960 of drugs and gunplay that went on in that world, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.720 and then Whalen Jenny's Part one into every episode they're like, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.160 is a every episode it's just the crazy ship that 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.240 those guys are up to. But in it they're talking 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.960 about one time they're going into Canada and Willie Nelson 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.880 was so concerned about his tour bus that they stopped 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.280 and had it steam cleaned and like ultra cleaned to 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.400 get into Canada. And he said, this guy says, when 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.520 the drug dog comes down to Willy Nelson's bus, it 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.240 doesn't like smell around, it just comes and sits down. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.600 So it wasn't like where on the bus. It was 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.520 the bus damn vehicle. So that leads me to the 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.960 canine thing. So you said they got real concerned about this. Um, 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:05.520 and you're saying they mixed results. Okay, so with scent blockers, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.920 the dogs always still found the items or persons. When 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.600 using scent blockers marketed the White tailed deer hunters and 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.600 the time, but the time was kind of miniscule. He 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.640 remembers one example with a dog trying to find a person. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.760 The dog normally could find the person an eight to 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:26.360 ten second time range. He calls this meniscule. It's normally 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.000 eight to ten second time range. But with scent blockers, 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.560 it took one dog forty seconds to find the person. Now, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.680 if you're bow hunting, dude, that is an eternity EO 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.240 from ten to forty is that would have for me, 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.720 meant a shot this year out of a very nice 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.360 buck a week ago. But he goes to say some 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:54.520 dogs showed zero effect, that some dogs time was not affected. Um, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.560 here's the other funny part. Once you expose the dog 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.760 to the scent blocker, there was zero impairment. They learned 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:05.080 to deal with it very quickly. Um, they did determine 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:10.960 some agencies determine that the product confuses some dogs with 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.640 their ability to seek out the location. Of the scent, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.560 so they know it's there, but locating it becomes different. Now. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.520 Scent covers where you're adding other highly potent scents, or 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.760 you infuse items and natural sense to animals are used 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.720 to are more effective at disturbing a dog's ability, more 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.760 effective than scent blockers, but it does not stop the 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.320 dog from doing their search. He spoke with a guy 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.560 and al Uh from the province of Alberta and and 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.320 she she spoke with a woman from the Province of Alberta. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.720 And they've been looking at this to all the different 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.600 dog handlers and all the different agencies, and they determined 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:52.320 that scent blockers pose zero risk when their dogs are searching. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.160 As new products come out, they always test them on 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.360 dogs and the dogs knows isn't a deer zels, but 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.360 it still it's kind of interesting, right, um. I want 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.920 the woman from Alberta who's a canine trainer. She pointed 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.920 out that she's also an avid hunter and from her 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.240 look at it, she thinks that the worst thing you 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.000 can do is wear a scent blocker because they're so 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.240 popular in her opinion of deer do in fact become 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.760 educated with sounds and seeing humans as a threat. She 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.880 feels that deer are more likely to associate that very 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:31.040 powerful smell with humans through exposure, just like how dogs 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.640 do the blocker or the cover blockers exact to think 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.840 the blockers supposed to smelling anything. I thought, I thought 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.159 the sca whatever one. I might have mixed it up 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.840 somewhere whatever one is where you're doing added odors acting 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.679 like a pine tree or I've always been suspicious of 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.760 those things ever since. This was years ago when sentlock 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.399 was first coming out and they made a big push 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.320 because I don't think that those guys even believe in 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.000 their products. Yeah, I can't speak to them. Well, here's 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.640 what I mean that the outfits that you put on 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.119 the charcoal, the charcoal off it. So anyway, you know, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.960 this was this big thing, new tech, gonna go try 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.480 this oute. Isn't this fascinating? Dear can't smell you? So anyway, 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.760 end up they invite me on this hunt down to 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:16.199 Texas and it's a classic Texas hunt where I'm in 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:21.479 a blind and as some mesquite patch with a shooting 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.960 lane cutting cut down in a damn feed or a 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.960 hundred yards away, and I'm sitting there with don't make 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:31.720 this a dog we have Listen, can I interrupt turn 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:33.919 it into a really nice thing about Texas because we 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.040 have I've been getting a lot of emails from a 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.879 lot of Texas where like, you guys have no clue 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.520 what you're talking about, and you're taking this enormous state 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.320 and where you got like guys hunting Sam Houston National 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.560 Forest and knocking it out, and like hunting public land 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.359 and busting their asses. You got guys out in the 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.960 West Texas busting their asses. And all we're ever talking 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.920 about is some dude in Texas in a three acre 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.080 fenced area with corn. They're like, shut up, Yeah, well 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.600 you don't know Texas. I will sing the praises of 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.080 West Texas any day in Texas too. It's great. It's 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.800 great hunting West Texas and the rest of it, at 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.440 least in my experience. So anyway, I'm starting. I'm gonna 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.760 start like moratorium on dogging on Texas because I would 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.040 like to read it. But it was like a book 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.560 length piece where a guy broke Texas into a bunch 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.439 of regions and explain the hunting cultures in each region. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:34.640 And we have been doing a horrible job of pigeonholing, Texas. Okay, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.280 so in anyway, and I was in an undisclosed location 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.959 with a lot of mesquite and a deer feeder, and uh, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.879 sitting next to music was like Texas. The Centlock guy 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:49.119 who I was with is smoking cigarettes in the blank 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:53.399 text to me, and I was just like, yeah, okay, 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.119 I think I know everything I need to know now 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.440 about seth. You sure it wasn't rolled alfalfa? It was 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.400 like an LFLA joint. Pretty, I'm pretty, I'm pretty. I'm 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.120 pretty sure. So I've no, I've never been uh um. 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:05.879 And also I'm just lazy. I don't have time to 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.320 do all but sent block. What was the clothes with 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.640 the charcoal in it? That was sent Lock? Sent Lock? 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.880 Didn't they have a bit of a like an expose? 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.480 Wasn't it like a kind of like an actual expose 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.399 about cent long? The thing is is they have There 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.600 was also dead down range? Remember that that like the 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.440 breath mints they're supposed to Like, I mean, I'm you know, 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.520 I'm not saying this stuff is all snake oil because 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.080 I don't think they actually make it out of snakes. 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.120 But you know, I don't know. I've just never quite 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.000 wrapped my head around that, because I've done sent work 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.480 with dogs before and it's amazing what they can pick 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.080 up and the idea that we're somehow shielding off all 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.000 this stink that we throw and the industry is always 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:47.919 looking for a silver bullet. And a lot of the 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.640 guys that I know who are very successful hunters are 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.320 just hard hunters. You know. It's like, what's the next gadget, 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.400 what's the next thing, what's the you know, what's gonna 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.200 make me a better Oh? Now I got this gum 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.560 I can chew now, you know, or then, or ozonics 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.200 or anything like that. A lot of the a lot 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.560 of the old timers used to believe in camp fire 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.760 smoke as a cover center, now as a cover cent. 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.200 The thing I've always wondered about is just the confidence factor. 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.000 So a guy goes out there with the new gizm 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.520 and all of a sudden, now he's more confident. Does 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.560 that help help mark? The Mark Kenyan Wired to Hunt approach, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.760 which I appreciate is he's like, I don't know, I 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:29.159 don't know, um, but let's say I do all of 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:30.919 these things which aren't that big of a deal, not 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:33.560 that hard for me. To do. I do them all unless, say, 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.400 one of them gives me ten percent better chance, I'll 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.880 take it because the things I'm doing I know aren't negative. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.920 Or if each one is give me one percent better. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.719 And he talked about He's like here, this guy is saying, oh, 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.040 it's miniscule, ten seconds, forty seconds. Mark's like, maybe it 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.240 gives me a second, Maybe it buys me a second, 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.119 but not that big. It's not hard for me to 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.600 do these things. That didn't. The gal say, maybe the 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:00.320 deer get used to it, you know, and all of 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.600 a sudden now it's working against So yeah, you pass 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.720 that buck one year and next year he's like, oh no, 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.560 that's the dude who tried to shoot me. He passed me, 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.720 not this year. This guy goes on to say, as 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:17.160 a side note, his dog, um, the neighbor's dog. Okay, sorry, 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.680 as a side not, his neighbor's got a Belgian mellow. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.680 How do you say that, Yannie, I don't know the 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:28.080 Belgian MELANOI. Yeah, it's um. This dog is trained and 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.760 explodes his location and suspect apprehension. This dog is so 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.520 damn good that when he started messing around with a 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:37.439 single pin slider for his bow and trying to get 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.600 out to hunter yard mark. He's losing a fair bit 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.400 of arrows. He's saying, you can take that that sun 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.639 bitch and dog and take another air audio quiver and 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.600 run that arrow into that dog's nose and that thing 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.160 will go find your arrow two or three passes. It's 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:56.200 got your arrow. That's impressive, man. One if it's smelling 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.320 the human out it speaking of dogs, tell Yannie, this 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.040 is the Yannis. This is let. We've been covering the 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:07.159 McLean Yes, tree stand Steeler heavily. This is the last 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.320 we're gonna say about the tree stand Steeler. But it 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.000 has a good dogs as I want to roll it in. 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:17.160 You guess no, big famous Andrew McLean from I think 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.639 he's in Park City, is right outside of Salt Lake City. 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:24.959 And this guy wrote a book about skiing the Now 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.200 we're gonna get in trouble again. How did the guy 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.200 mostly a half dozen people telling you how to pronounce 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.080 you look like you're cocky about it. Yeah, it's the 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.159 Wassatche Front. Yeah, so when you need to say it, 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.320 pause and Pete's say it. Just you wrote a book 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:51.639 about skiing the Wasatch Mountains. And I wouldn't call him 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:56.320 a famous skier, but almost famous. Anyways, he decides to 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:59.280 in his own words, clean up the woods around his 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.159 house for the bull cutter with a bull cutter and 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.879 stole a two tree stands in a in a trail camera, 0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:10.800 but did not realize that the hunter had a second 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.440 trail camera in the same location, and that's caught Andrew 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.720 and his wife stealing the stands and packing them out 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.520 of the woods on public land. Yeah, totally legally placed thing. 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:23.440 But the real the reason I keep talking about this 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.560 really puts the real burn my saddle. It's like there's 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.400 people in the ski world and stuff who are like applauding, 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:35.320 applauding him for this, which is public land. Did it legally? 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.399 It was? It was some hardware and the public I 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:39.919 just I just watched Valley Uprising the other night, and 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.160 this one guy back in the seventies put a bunch 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.159 of bolts in Yosemite, and then this other climber that 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.800 hated him went up the next week and busted every 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.919 piece of hardware off the wall in an effort to 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.480 make a statement that he didn't agree with putting this 0:24:54.640 --> 0:25:00.200 hardware into nature. So this seems very similar. Yeah, one 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.760 of the tree sound one we're climbing bolts in yrsemit, 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:07.960 but I think both legally placed. Yeah, it's like it 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:09.879 pisces me off, only because some people are acting like 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:11.399 He's like, dude, we even had a guy who like 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.760 just started home. He's like, I understand because hunters leave 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.520 a lot of litter in the woods. Come on, we'll 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.680 go ahead. No, I thought you were gonna finish it. 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:22.600 Talked about the dollars. Now, how the oh you wanted 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.479 me to explain the whole story, just like I supposed 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.159 to be a slick I know. I thought you were 0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.760 gonna tell us a story. So how he ends up 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:35.920 finding Andrew and putting putting the pieces altogether is that 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:38.280 they had their dog with them when they were doing this, 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:45.040 uh forest robbery. And it was a Burmese mountain dog, 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.640 Bernies mountain dog. And he figures it's not that many 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.159 around all sort of cruise the neighborhoods around this trailhead 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:54.840 that he most likely used and sees his dog pops up. 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.679 So he's cruising down the road. Sure enough, there's a dog, 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:03.200 a dog and by himself, no leash, no owner. He's like, oh, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.000 it is fallow this he's mountain dog. He follows it 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.000 down the road a little bit, and he goes right 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.840 up to the front door and opens the door. There's 0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:19.320 Andrew's wife. He's like, I recognize you met trial camera pictures. Yikes. Um, okay, 0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.080 another area don't want to talk about. We're talking about 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.200 a guy. Do you Hember what state it was where 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:28.280 the guy served the kangaroo meet. A lot of feedback 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.080 on So dude that runs a hot lunch program in Nebraska. 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.120 This is a long news segment. Is this the last 0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.639 bit of news? No? Yeah, dude, like he runs a 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:42.119 hot lunch program besides to buy some kangaroo meating like 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.359 cut it in with the beef. Oh god for whatever? 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:48.080 Like whyever? He thought it sounds like a good deal. 0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:51.960 And um, some kids, I believe there's no way this 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.199 is true. Some kids claim what they found out or 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.960 they kids claim to have felt sick from the kangaroo meet. 0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.200 Start jumping high, and they the basketball team started kick 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:04.119 started crushing. Uh and the dude loses his job and 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:08.879 we were talking about this news bit and we're wondering 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:13.400 about the kangaroo market and a bunch of Australian guys 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.040 rolled into in particular, rolled in with a lot of 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:22.240 information about um kangaroo, where kangaroo meat comes from. There 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:28.400 is no uh, there is no raising. No one raises 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:32.840 kangaroos for me. When you see kangaroo met on the menu, 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.560 it's all wild shot now. So mug one I picked. 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.280 There's two mugs that rolled in about this, Mug one 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:44.359 and mug two. Mug one populations from two thousand eleven 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.800 UH in Australia for mackerel pods which are red kangaroos, 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:54.160 Western gray kangaroos, Eastern gray kangaroos, wallaroos and euros whatever 0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:58.560 the hell that is UM within the commercial harvest areas, 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.520 there's over thirty four million of them, which uh. And 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:07.320 then in the in the continent at large, fifty million 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:13.440 macro pods in Australia Australians. Yeah, he says, greatly outnumbering 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:20.720 the human population. Now, mug too is a commercial shooter. Sweet. 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:25.520 We know a few kind of pro hunters from Australia. 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:31.040 To any of them hunt kangaroos, probably not because it's 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.040 highly regulated, like the hunting in Australia is for non 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:38.200 generally for non natives, right, but this is highly regulated 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.680 industry and this guy goes here. So here's a commercial shooter. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:42.520 This is the guy that makes his living shooting kangaroos, 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.360 the kangaroos that wind up in the US for meat. 0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:46.960 And he goes out and to say for starters, it's 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.240 not even a popular meat in Australia. However, it's available 0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:54.040 in regular supermarkets for human consumptions and it is a 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:58.840 staple of pet foods. It's very cheap, very healthy, but 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.480 because it's so lean, are is careful cooking and has 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.200 never been more than a niche product here in Australia. 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.840 He says, all the meat in Australia, kangaroo meat is 0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.440 all sourced from wild kangaroos shot by professionals. He says 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:15.080 that it is probably give the guy the credit. He's saying, 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:20.080 probably the last industrial scale market hunting in the world. 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:24.280 They export to many countries, including the US, and he 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.120 has been able to unable to find anyone raising them 0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.760 domestically for meat over there or here. So wild kangaroo 0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.960 is almost certainly what the kids in Nebraska were eating. 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.040 He says. The industry here has regulated in all states 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:41.520 with strict kill quotas, licensing of shooters, and carcass handling requirements. 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:44.200 Here's where it gets interesting. Like all the shooting is 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:48.320 done at night with spotlights, and by law, all animals 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:51.360 must be killed with a shot to the head from 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.480 a center fire rifle of at least two to two caliber. 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.200 Most guys are using a two twenty three. Almost all 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.920 the shooting is done on private land, acquiring the permission 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.560 of the landholder. Generally it's farmland where kangaroos are doing 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:08.080 crop damage. Most shooters work alone in a single four 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.680 wheel drive vehicle, using a roof mounted spotlight and a 0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.600 shooting rest mounted on the truck door. You shoot from 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:17.520 a seated position. You shoot him, you feel dressing, You 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:18.840 hang him in the back of the truck, and then 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:21.520 you drop drop off at a chilled processing plant at 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.720 the end of the night. He normally takes around thirty 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:30.680 per night, each weighing fifty to one pounds. He says, interestingly, 0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:35.480 almost all kangaroos shot commercially are males, and the major 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.920 processors will only accept male carcasses. It's not legal, it's 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.080 just done for pr reasons because the females are almost 0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:46.080 always pregnant. Almost always have a baby in the pouch. 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:51.000 The shooter is legally required to he mainly kill the joey. 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.600 When he does shoot a female, he goes into details 0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.720 about how they get this done, which I'll not share. 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.200 I'll share it over last I don't drink or so 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:04.040 I'll share it over a glass water. But it doesn't 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:07.800 look good for the industry. He has not found any 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.920 evidence of changes to population dynamics due to the sex 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.280 sex specific harvest. How would it not. You're only killing 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.960 males if you're not shooting females normal, there's still fifty 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:21.360 million of them um. Out of that population, fifty million 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.160 they're harvesting right now, about five to seven million annually. 0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:28.560 He also says he goes down to say this. In 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.480 addition to the commercial harvests, kangaroos can be shot privately 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.600 to mitigate agricultural damage by landowners and recreational shooters with 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.560 landowner permissions. Laws very state to state, with some states 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.280 requiring a landowner to apply for tags and they allow 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:45.960 the use of the carcass. However, in my home state 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.760 it is open season. There's there's no season, no baggling, 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:54.560 no weapons restrictions, which sounds amazing, but unfortunately it is 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.680 ill legal to keep the carcasses or to use any 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:02.560 of the meat, even for personal consumption, meaning you can 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.440 shoot him, can't eat them, which I don't even get. 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.040 He says. As a result of this, and from our 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:12.480 extremely restrictive firearm laws, we have no culture of recreational 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.720 kangaroo hunting. He also goes on and stay this about Australia, 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:19.920 He says, we should be seen as a cautionary tale 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.680 for the rest of the world, In particularly the USA, 0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:26.560 we have a vast amount of wilderness w A where 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:29.360 he is is larger than Alaska and Texas combined, huge 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:33.560 areas of undeveloped public land, but no legal recreational hunting 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.960 allowed on any of it. Even on private land, hunting 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.600 is extremely restricted, limited to a few feral species, and 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:43.040 our restrictions on firearm access make this even inaccessible to 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:48.640 most people. Um, that's what he's got to say about 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:53.120 all that sad story. Now mug number two and this 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.160 thing with talking about some loosening of restrictions where now 0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:00.120 a land arm with a problem can designate shooters and 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:03.040 he's going out this weekend and you can designate shooters 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.520 and they lose some restrictions on using the meat, and 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:07.520 he's going out this weekend. They're hoping to put ten 0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.160 in the freezer. He says. This is great news for 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:13.880 those of us living in New South Wales. Um. He 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:19.320 says he likes to uh, the tails can be used 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:22.200 as you would oxtail. They like the backstraps and the 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:25.360 tender loins, and they like to mince the hind legs 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:31.200 and cutting some beef fat for burgers at cetera. Anyone 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.640 got anything to say about that. That's a deep dive 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.040 right there. Boys on kangaroo hunting. I'll be not returning 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:42.840 to that subject anytime soon. What is he comparable to? 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:49.240 Stringy ass meat? Like like stringy antelope meat. I guess 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.600 I remember like you when I got I had some 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.200 kangaroo back. I had some kangaroo like little t bones. 0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:57.840 What's the call where you got like a rib? What 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:01.560 do they call that? Beef cutting up? Chop? Yeah, chop 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.520 cut the whole thing and they get that part of 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.520 the little hand. Yeah. Well, we used to have a bones. 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:08.239 We used to have a band's on. We'd cut deer 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:12.400 an analytope that way, like little chops. Um, it was 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:14.160 like eating that, but you needed to go flosh your 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.080 teeth and you got done. I had no idea. There 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.640 are so many different types of kangaroos, don't either nam. 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:22.600 We get a lot of We had a lot of 0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:25.040 emails from guys in Australia because it's not like a 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:27.759 robust there's a lot of hunters, but it's not a 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:32.040 sort of a culture and information, you know, it's not 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.160 like like a conversation around hunting as much as what 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:36.759 a lot of them point out. So they're kind of 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.840 like they like we hear from Australians who like that 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.080 would be there's this thing that that that's accessible to 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.439 them where people are talking about all this stuff, right, 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.040 get a lot of notes from them. So you're saying 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.160 there's parts of Australia where they can shoot them but 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.160 they can't touch them. I'd always heard that. He says 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.600 they're losing those restrictions up and it's part of broader 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.840 stuff because the same thing is like in Australia you 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:01.000 have all these non natives, right, and and there's some 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:02.480 guys that do some amount of hunting. There's a lot 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:04.600 of people like we would love to go do some honey. 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:06.640 Can you loosen the restrictions. And the girl was like, no, 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.120 we'd rather pay people to shoot him out of helicopters 0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.840 and leave him to rot rather than let you redneck 0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:16.000 hicks go out and and shoot him. We'd rather like 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:17.839 cripple them up from a helicopter and let him die 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.640 a slow death. And you know, and then, like I said, 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:25.400 they got these really draconian gun laws there which make 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.880 it like extremely difficult. So but there's like a I 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.440 think there's a growing population of bow hunters just to 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:35.120 get around the you know, just the weapons deal. Um 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:40.760 everybody good on app opens a whole can of worms 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:46.800 about gun rights. That's what he says about the cautionary tale. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:51.040 Speaking of cautionary tales, Yani, can I hit one more? Sure? 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.439 We're only half an hour in. This isn't even news one. 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.480 A couple of questions came in. Guy was and like, 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:05.160 you know, hunters will like you shoot a buck right, 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.600 and you get talking about, oh, you know, the North 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.239 American model of wildlife conservation and fueling and feeding my 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.960 family and all the great stuff we do for wildlife. 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:18.480 This guy says, Okay, I know all this, how great 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.200 it is that you all hunt and how great it 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.520 is that the animals are there and they're giving their 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.320 lives for you, and how happy the animals should be 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.160 about all this whole system you guys have created. He says, 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.520 a picture that we're in a Cormack McCarthy has post 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:38.239 modern dystopia. Cannibals out looking for sustenance to survive, right, 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:41.719 just like you. And you're shooting your bucks and these 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:43.800 cannibals come up and they kill you and your family 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:48.360 and eat you. Uh, do you feel real honored about 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:53.759 having continued the lives of your fellow humans? Jeez, that's 0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:59.200 a good question. I would be bombed. I don't think 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:02.759 it's be bummed. Do we ever say that, Um, the 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:07.759 animals somehow is feeling honored itself? No, but I was 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:11.560 talking to an animal rights philosopher. Um, he's in the 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.600 documentary will be available soon. But the animal rights philosopher 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.719 is like, you get like hunters, like talk all this 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:25.120 talk about this honorific right, this honorific relationship with the animals, 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:31.920 And the animal doesn't care about your motivations. You're causing 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:35.120 it pain and killing it. It's just all in your 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:38.600 own head to make you feel better about something. That's awful. 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:44.480 And don't act like you're doing something with or for 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.160 this creature. You're just hurting it and killing it and 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.880 that's all it knows. But the animal probably does prefer 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:55.600 the advanced or improved habitat that it calls home thanks 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:59.080 to hundred dollars, or it does good job, that's slick, 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.840 you can. Yeah, there's I mean, there's other things besides 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.080 just getting shot in the chest. I mean, you've lived 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:07.880 your whole life in this in this fantastic habitat that 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:12.160 maybe was mildly influenced by man, and maybe you appreciate 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:13.680 most of that. And yeah, at the end of the day, 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.719 you got shot in Nate by farmer John. But well, 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.040 sometimes you don't know what's coming. I mean it's rough 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.719 out there for for critters, you know, I mean at night, 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.080 they got to try to stay alive. Yeah, I mean, 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.719 what's the alternative, you know, be eaten alive by a prey, 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.640 by a predator, a coyote, eat your hind quarter off. 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:34.520 I was gonna I was gonna leave it to you. 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:38.680 Gu's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, the the ratio, 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.799 like the percentages of violent death are extraordinary. Look, there's 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:47.000 no death. There's no death in the natural world that's 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.440 a pleasant death for these animals. It's exposure, it's starvation, 0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.960 it's disease, it's getting torn asunder by a predator, you know, 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.000 in a sense, you know, on that scale, what a 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.000 hunter does is the most merciful of all of them. 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.360 But the problem I have with that philosopher's question is 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:07.560 that he's talking about the individual and really, when we 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.920 look at this, we're not dealing with an individual animal. 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:14.360 We're dealing with the ecosystem, you know, and are you know, 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.200 the saving grace of what hunters are doing is we're 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:20.319 preserving and maintaining an ecosystem and and within that, yeah, 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:24.719 we're killing individual animals, but they're not discrete individuals the 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.320 way people are. So I don't think that the analogy 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.640 holds up with that. I think I think their philosophy 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:33.560 is that it's anthropomorphism, right. They believe that an individual 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:37.239 animal sort of has some sort of feelings. Yeah, that 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.000 that's the thing I always try to focus on top 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.239 about when I come up with questions like that, which 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.080 are totally fair questions, but I always point out like 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:50.080 like hunters tend to be like like like hunters who 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.600 are involved in the conservation movement tend to be focused 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:58.080 on like dearness, sort of like the entire package of 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.640 like the dear population in general, right, and not so 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.879 focused on an individual. I was having like a little 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:07.240 Instagram battle today, brief Instagram battle day with the animal 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.399 rights guy who has pissed at Yanni for having killed 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:13.840 a bull, and I was pointing out and I was 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.520 pointing out to him that in the early DS this 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.880 state had five thousand elk. Today this state has hundred 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.960 fifty thousand elk. That's hunters did that. So if you 0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:28.160 want to have a who does more for a wildlife contests, 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:29.560 as far as I can tell, this guy some kind 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.680 of sound mixer or something, he's like the Internet troll 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.319 slash sound mixer. Like, if you want to have a 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:38.200 who does most for wildlife tournament between you and the eagle, 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:42.800 the Eagle's gonna smoke you. I was telling him, Um, 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.440 you know, I am a little fascinated by this Cormick 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.000 McCarthy kind of world though, where it's regulated cannibal listen, 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:51.759 you know, I mean, are they getting licenses? Do they 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:57.280 have to work? You want to see a good segue 0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.920 then I got only one more thing, um uh no, 0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:05.600 two more things. Sorry, good song recommendation. We did a 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.040 show recommendation which is Tales from the Tour Bus. There's 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.160 a song right now I've been listening to a fair 0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.560 bit by a band called The Quiet Hollers. It's called 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.239 mont Blanc and it's I like it because it's it's 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:20.120 McCarthy esk. It's a dude who you gather is living 0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.600 in a post apocalyptic situation. Okay, when you listen to it, 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.160 you keep hearing him say shet, I shed a tear 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.040 for the books I should have read. And I thought, 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.400 without paying attention, I thought was like a guy who 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:32.800 is bummed out that he didn't pay more attention in school. 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.560 But he's a dude living in a post apocalyptic scenario 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:39.320 trying to keep his family alive. Once you listen closely 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:43.080 to the lyrics, and what he's saying is when he says, 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:44.839 I shed a tear for the books I could should 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:48.400 have read, he's wishing he had been studying up on 0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:50.200 the kind of ship we tend to talk about here 0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:55.480 on this digital radio program. That's what he's lamented. But 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:57.600 now here he is in his situation he doesn't know 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:06.160 how to function and operate. Um, it's not an upbeat tune. 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.280 And the often and he goes and then the bomb, 0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:14.320 but you can't tell what he's saying. I had to 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.759 go look it up online. He's talking about his life, 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:17.879 you know, and he's like, you should have been paying 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:19.799 more attention. But he was snuggled with his old lady 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.160 and he's like, and then the bomb, and then he 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:25.279 gets into like what life's like after the bomb and 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.040 how he sheds a tear for the books he should 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.839 have read. Okay, guy wrote in to ask this, he 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:34.000 needs to UM, I don't want to ask him any 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.440 questions here. He he wants to shoot a deer, but 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:38.439 when he does it, he needs it to fall down 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:45.080 immediately and not jump a fence. He's gonna be shooting 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:51.040 from twenty yards. He owns a remington. He's thinking that 0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:53.600 that's the way he's gonna do this, and he goes. 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.560 I have heard to use slug high shoulder and also 0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:05.239 number nine pellets. Any assistance greatly appreciated. Yikes, I've got 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.520 some thoughts. Yeah, I have to give the thoughts. I'm 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.120 gonna start by saying, usually when you're in a situation 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:16.000 where you're like, right where you need to tee it 0:43:16.080 --> 0:43:20.000 up preemptively avoid. Yeah, where you're kind of like, I'm 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.799 in a dicey situation. But let's just never mind. I 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.000 trust that you've got this all sorted out and you 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:28.359 know what you got yourself into. Then I'll let the ill. 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.920 Let the experts speak on that one Bert quail shot 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.480 or a slug Well, definitely not in the quail shot, 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.879 and I've personally never used it, but I haven't heard 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.680 a lot of people have great success, probably especially at 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:44.600 close range like that with buckshot to the head, but 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.759 not number nine bird shot, which is illegal anyway. I 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:51.080 know what state he's in, and it's illegal in your state. Well, 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:54.360 so different states have different laws about your critter jumping 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.239 a fence and crossing the line and whether you can 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.880 or cannot retrieve that animal what that looks like. Montana 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.360 has their own unique definition of that law, but depending 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:08.520 on what state he's in, could depend could decide what 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.880 weapons should be using. Well, at twenty yards, if he 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.439 goes with buckshot, he'd be very safe. There's that federal um. 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:20.400 It's an lie load that has a type of wadding 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.040 in it that helps keep that together. Even with a 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.080 regular buckshot at twenty yard, the pattern is going to 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:27.279 be tighter than your fist, and so you're going you're 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.440 going head or chest with that. I would, I would 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:35.840 go neck, I go right yeah, with with that buckshot absolutely, absolutely, 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.919 the problem that the head. You know, the head shot 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:42.000 works great, but the vitals are so small, and if 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.480 you mess up, you have just done the most horrific 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:46.160 thing doing it, then your neighbor is gonna be a 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.439 real treat. Oh. I mean, then you've got zombie deer 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.239 with no lower jar. I mean it's just well, no, 0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.040 I'm saying, if it's between we were talking about buckshot buckshot, 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.440 you find it slug and be fine too. Trust me, 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.120 you're not gonna want to get hippie by either one. 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.880 But but bucks out at that range will be tighter 0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:05.239 than your fist. How about bird shot, No, it's just 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.800 too small. I don't want to give his state away, 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:13.880 but in his state bird shots illegal. I can't imagine 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:17.480 bird shot being legal anyway anywhere. So, John, if you 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:23.080 had to pick one though twenty yards, is there gonna 0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:25.919 be neck, buckshot or high shoulder? I would, I would, 0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.520 I would go I would go neck buckshot that there's 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.759 not moving. I'd like to think he needs the fall 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.759 real fast because he doesn't want to drag it far, 0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.280 rather than that he's in some kind of weird neighborly 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:41.399 situation that changes everything. My take, my take, and and 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:43.920 this is just me not really even know what I'm 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:48.000 talking about. I would feel if I hadn't just consulted 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:52.200 with with John Snow, I would feel that the slug 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:57.680 high shoulder because then you're shooting at a pie plate. Yeah, 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:00.439 we're talking about just anchoring at the base, the base 0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.359 of the neck. I'm not talking center neck. I'm talking 0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.120 base neck, which is kind of that high shoulder area too. 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.680 But I think I could be wrong on this, But like, 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.880 there are guys like in Minneapolis who are doing the 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:13.000 deer control there and I think they're using slugs, but 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.040 they're doing that high neckstra because they don't want anything 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.279 to run around h and uh, you know, because they're 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.200 doing them in parks like where people are walking through 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:22.960 at night and stuff. So we have a body that 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.239 does that for a living, and they do head neck 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:29.400 with the two M damn. They shoot for airports, they 0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:34.040 shoot for municipalities facing away he said, right, that was 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.080 that was that he likes it to be facing the 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:39.560 other direction. It gives you a lot more target area 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.239 usable target area that way. And he thought about the 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:44.759 kind of shooting where you're looking at a couple of 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.240 people watching TV in the in the in the window 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:49.200 of the front window of a house and you're shooting 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.920 deer in their yard like that kind of like very 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:57.200 tightly controlled or like high what what's what am I 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:01.440 trying to say? Surgical? I have a slightly mccomb's story 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:05.080 about this where this was in Minneapolis where a friend 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.040 of mine got invited on one of these calls and 0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:11.120 he didn't in the moment, he forgot about the shot 0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:15.600 placement and he put it through the rib cage like 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:20.720 normal style. And so this was a snowy park god, 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.320 and actually it connected to a cemetery in the deer 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:30.400 of course, shot through both sides, hosen everywhere ys seventy 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:34.239 yards on on tombstones, on the whole thing, he said. 0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.560 He said, they spent hours trying to clean this up 0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:39.560 and sanitize. This is my last one. That yeah, and 0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:43.840 you got a bunch, right, yeah, Okay, I want to 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:45.440 hit one more because that's what I kind of understand. 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:47.560 The guy wrote in and he's saying, we've talked about 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:50.879 back steelers, we talked about chamber seilers. You guys are 0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.920 clear what we're talking about. You know what chamber seiler is, Uh, 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.200 is that where it goes into like the tub and 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.040 you close the door on the top of Yeah, I 0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:04.920 have one. So I have like a western um vaccinither 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.920 this non chamber, right, and you that's that's where everybody has. Right. 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:09.759 You open thing up, lay the bag over the lip, 0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:13.120 the bags laying out on the counter. Zapp it a 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:16.920 chamber seiler. Um. It goes into a vacuum chamber. And 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:18.920 I knows you don't need the bag. You don't. The 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.160 bags are cheaper because there you don't need a bag 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:24.360 that allows the one way flow. You don't need a 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:28.080 vented bag, right, because when you're pulling, if you picture 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:32.759 a normal seiler when it's expunging air, right, it can 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:34.560 it can pass through like a like a like a 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:37.520 like a one way pass through the vented bag on 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:39.520 a chamber ceiler of the whole chambers back. So you 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.440 just use a regular heavy duty bag and the bags 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:47.080 are cheaper. Um. He goes on to say, I would 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:51.680 like some input and clarification on what's the best. Then 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:55.000 he says that here's what initiated his problem. He thought 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.520 some rabbits. He had some rabbit stock. I like this 0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.239 guy immensely. He had some rabbit stock in his deep 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:04.040 freeze in half gallon jars. He over filled him and 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:06.920 noticed today that three of the jars cracked in the freezer. 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:10.600 I that's a legit problem, man, like, because i'll freeze stock, 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:13.440 I'll pressure steal it where I can just go into 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:17.279 your counter or into your cupboard or pantry, but also 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:19.680 sometimes freeze stock. And yeah, man, you can't fill the 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:21.399 jar all the way up. You gotta leave a lot 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.560 of headspace on that thing when you freeze it. So 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.200 that's one thing. When he goes on to top about 0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:32.160 chamber ceiling liquids, I don't see any reason. I'm not 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:36.160 a physicist. I don't see any reason why you would 0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:43.040 ever need to vacuum seal liquid because a liquid isn't 0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:50.160 like compressible, right, Yeah, like what in liquids don't freezer 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:55.120 burn when you vacuum seal an elk steak, Though the 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:57.200 goal is not to compress the elk steak it's to 0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.799 take all the air away around the oak steak, right, 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:02.800 So that would be the same goal with the liquord. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.600 Just get all let's get the guy the benefit of 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:06.359 the doubt. Maybe he's trying to figure out a way 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.880 to more efficiently stack stuff in his freezer, like you know, 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.760 I'll sometimes do that with like different kinds of sauces. 0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:16.000 But you can't vact seal chamber s either or not 0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:17.360 when you put into like I have a I have 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:20.640 a big Western chamber seiler at my fish shack, and 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:27.200 that thing kicks ass all day long. Um, But you 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:31.760 can't lay a bag of liquid down in there because 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.640 when you pull the vacuum on it, all that liquid. 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.160 Even if you're doing a piece of fish with a 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:38.960 small amount of liquid, the liquid gets pulled out and 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:40.880 you gotta roll up a piece of paper towel and 0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.600 like lay it down in there to keep the liquid 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:47.319 from pulling out and ruining the seal. If you put 0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.400 a bag of stock in a vacuum steeler, all it's 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:52.839 gonna have you have an empty bag and you're gonna 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:59.160 have a vacuum steeler that holds stock gons and it's 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:03.240 simper to tause ziplock freezer bag filled with the liquid 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:04.880 and just kind of squeeze the air out as you 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.800 seal it. Well, the real answer, and my that's great, 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:12.399 is not use glass too freezing plastic and if you're 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.920 a plastic, fold freezing glass, but don't overfill. But then 0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:18.640 he goes down to this other question where he was 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:22.680 one of about chambers versus regular I wish I knew 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:26.200 like the opposite a chamber non chamber and chamber. He's saying, 0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:30.400 do chamber steelers do better on cuts with potential sharp 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:35.960 bones such as shanks? Um? Now that question there is 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:42.280 interesting question because when you're doing if you use shitty 0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:45.560 vacuum sealed bags and your vac ceiling salmon, and you 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:49.239 don't pull the pin bones first, you can get your 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:53.600 your bag can be perforated from the pinbones. Or if 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:56.839 you're making if you like pre caught your asabuco where 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:59.160 you pre caught your shanks and you've got little burs 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.000 on the bone, and then you go to vac seal 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.279 with shitty bags, the shitty bags are more likely to 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:10.200 get perforated by the corner of the bone um, which 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:13.840 that leads to problems. So for that because chamber seitos. 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:16.359 You can use a heavier gauge bag. You can buy 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.760 that really heavy gauge bags. I would go and say, sure, 0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:25.000 but don't buy bad bags. Usered. That though is remember 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:29.520 what they did down at um Quality Meats. I forget 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.799 the name of Divine Meat Company Yea and Divine Meat 0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:34.719 Company Clayton Saunders. They had a chamber seiler that we 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:37.799 did all of our hog in and they just had 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.960 little pieces of sort of like robust plastic. Remember that 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.840 they would basically put on the tips of the ribs 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.759 and the sharp peg man was it like was it 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.520 made for that? I don't know. So they would essentially 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.839 pre wrap the part that could poke through the bag 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.399 with heavier duty, just slip it in there and kind 0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:59.239 of set it right on the sharp edge. It would 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.839 keep it from pope. Yeah, totally forgot about that. You're right, 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.279 they would on their bone and cuts. They would pad 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.640 it up. But he was chamber ceiling too, with some 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:11.920 nice heavy duty bags, potentially heavy duty bags. It sounds 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.520 like all of you guys is discussion about vacuum ceiling 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.680 all comes down to the bag. It's like a good bag, 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:22.120 just good, the best bag you can, because if you don't, 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:23.880 you're just gonna run to me. I used to have 0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:26.319 so many more problems with him, but I have a 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:31.160 lot less problems now, um and out, but also things 0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:34.400 that handle them differently. When your bags get broken. I 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.280 used to being there, like stern ship up in my freezer, 0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:41.200 you know, looking for something. And he goes on to 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:45.040 have one more question. Um, he's saying, on a chamber seiler, 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:50.040 do you still have to let it cool like during 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.719 heavy youth? Yep, you still gotta let it cool off now? 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:58.359 And then um, I have that. Uh. The main one 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:02.080 I run is that west Pro, which is like a beast, 0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:04.799 And yeah, you can burn it. You can burn it 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:06.759 out too hot. If you're just going on and going 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.520 on and going on it you gotta just let it 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.920 chill out now and then you just I just use 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:12.239 I just put my hand out and I can tell 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:16.920 it's too hot. He's the food saver vacuum seiler, and 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:19.600 it just it cuts you off. It turns itself off. 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:23.719 That's a real machine there. Oh yeah, some critters through 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.560 that one. It just turns itself off. It does when 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:30.359 it gets hot. Oh yeah, it's probably smart self. Oh 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.560 yeh what do you got? I got a bunch of 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:36.680 more on the same along the same lines. Um, I 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.080 think it a name with this one, but he didn't 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.920 put in the names. Tell their names they want. But 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.959 Pete from Bosman might be excited when we say Pete 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:53.879 from Bozeman asked, right, I got some questions for boys. Um, 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:56.440 he's saying he's noticing that in a lot of the recipes, 0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.759 the pictures, in the books, uh, in the in the 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:04.120 meat in the videos, he's saying that the meat always 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:08.000 appears to be real fresh. Well, that's because we don't 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:09.920 actually kill any of that stuff. We're just go and 0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:13.440 buy it at the grocery store. No, I'm I'm kidding there. 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:16.120 But he was saying that. He's saying for like, um, 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:19.399 he ran into the problem with Asabuco that he went 0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:22.680 and ages me and then he wanted to use his shank, 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:25.319 but it had like a rind on it, and the 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.400 pictures and the videos he saw us doing Asabuco, the 0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:31.120 shank didn't have this like hard rind on it. So 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.000 he's saying, like, how do I get around around that? 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:38.080 Should I trim the rind? Should I not age it? 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:41.880 Do I treat different cuts differently. I'd say it depends 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:46.800 on how heavy. Dude, you're asking me, anybody all of you, 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:49.399 why is he why is he aging it to begin with? 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:52.960 I mean, if you're making osabuco out of shank, well, yeah, 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.080 I'm guessing he just didn't know. No, Yeah, that's what 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:57.279 I'm thinking too, is that it's gonna be slow and 0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.840 low anyways, and so you don't you don't need to 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.840 need to be aged. But his ageing the whole damn deer. Yeah, 0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:06.480 because you're not gonna like age some and not age rest. 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:09.200 The age is the whole damn deer. And this is 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:11.279 for quartered out, so you don't have the protection of 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.880 the hide. Yeah. I think unless you like wrap it 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:20.160 in plastic, the ryand is completely unavoidable. Yeah. So what 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:22.400 would you do with the ryan then? If you're gonna askabuco, 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:24.560 I think you gotta carve it off. What if you 0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.480 just cook it so it's still gonna I don't know. 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.080 I guess I've never cooked one with the rind on 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:33.759 it a shank. I mean, I I would tend to 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.160 not let that age too long. I like age and 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:39.000 the rest of it, But you try picking that stuff 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.480 off the shanks. It's just a by the time you 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:46.719 get it all off way. Uh you want to know 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:51.120 a hot tip not related to this, dude, you ever 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.000 knows what you hang. If you're aging a deer, you 0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.080 hang up a deer that the tenderlins are so small 0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:57.120 on a deer that if you like age it for 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.920 a week, they get dried out where they're like damn, 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:02.840 they're kind of gone, like it's all rind our body. 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:08.000 Steve Kendrott takes a piece of plastic wrap and when 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.319 he's hanging the deer, he just paste a piece of 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:14.759 plastic wrap over the tenderloins and then they don't Then 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:16.640 they don't get the problem that this boy is talking about. 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:21.680 Uh my take in terms of the shanks, you're cooking. 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:25.800 The sun's a bitches so long that you're turning tendons 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:32.320 into gelatin. I don't think in the end chance, but 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.000 in a rind the sense. Yeah, like when you've aged 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.840 something good, like you pull the backstrap off on a 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:41.960 thing where it's been aged. Uh yeah, I'm cutting that 0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:45.240 stuff away. But on that preparation, it had to be 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.760 a pretty healthy, like a big thig moldy rind I 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:51.200 would cut off. But like any normal rind that I 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:53.800 have encountered in my life, I feel like it's gonna succumb. 0:57:54.640 --> 0:57:59.080 I feel like it's gonna succumb to the to the cooking, 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:03.040 to right the because I can't think of ever because 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.080 there you're dealing with such a small thing. Anyway, Like 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.840 the more you start fiddle farting around trim and stuff off, 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:10.240 you kind of are getting rid of the whole point. 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:12.240 Like the beauty of the thing is you wind up 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.800 with a bone that could go and do a museum. 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:18.080 You know, you're getting it, like every last usable scrap 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:20.280 off that thing, and that's kind of like what makes 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.959 that dish cool. So I would have a hard time 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:24.840 trimming parts of it off because then you're kind of 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:29.680 like you're the gate and the main point. So our 0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:33.480 answer is if you're gonna hang it for a while, 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.040 it takes some span wrap and wrap your shanks, or 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:38.520 cut the shanks off and get them in the freezer 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:42.560 immediately and do a Steve Kendrott on the tender loins, 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:47.560 sorry John, or just ignored it. You're saying, just ignore it, 0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:51.960 Just cook it with the rind. Any normal rind, I'll thick. 0:58:52.000 --> 0:58:55.800 I wish I knew how to describe stuff in mills. Okay, 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.040 if you had a rind, I would say most rhinds 0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:01.640 are about as stick as if you cut a, for instance, 0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:05.680 a paper coffee cup, if you went down to the 0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:08.440 local coffee shop and got a coffee cup. A normal 0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:12.200 ryan is about like that paper. Yeah, I think that's 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:17.200 on the light end. The actual rhynd, yeah, I would 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.880 agree with that. There's like a purplely transition into the 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:23.120 meat after that. But the actual rhynd that you have 0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.000 to carve away it is probably about the size of 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:30.200 and I've seen some leathery ass rhymes. Yeah, that's what 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:33.840 I was gonna say, like your average deer skin. That's 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.280 how much you're gonna end up carving off, you know. 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:39.439 So it just depends, man, if you you know what, 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:44.840 I don't know. It's hard for me to picture trimming 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:46.320 that thing off. That's the last word I got to 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:51.240 say about it. I'm with you, all right. Uh, here's 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:54.640 another one. Everyone's gonna have a tip for this guy patting, 0:59:55.200 --> 0:59:57.600 So keep it to one because I know everybody's got 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:01.720 one for this. He hunts by himself off and he's 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:05.320 often not going into areas and not going deep because 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:08.520 in our tree season, he's worried he's gonna kill something 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:10.360 and not you only get the meat out before it 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:14.120 spoils like this guy. So what tips tricks do you 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:17.920 guys have to get the meat out faster or keep 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:20.919 it cool longer? And as a general rule, how much 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:23.160 time do you feel you have before the meat starts 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:28.120 to spoil? M a lot of variables able to read it? 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:31.840 Read it again? What tips tricks do you guys have 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:34.080 to try to get the meat out faster or keep 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.760 it cool longer? And there's a general rule how much 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:38.960 time do you feel you have before the meat starts 1:00:39.000 --> 1:00:41.280 to spoil? Or we got a limit to like a 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:45.800 simple trick. We're gonna assume he's hunting elk, yeah, because 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.800 he's worried about getting it all out because yeah, if 1:00:47.800 --> 1:00:51.520 it was a deer, he'd packing shot. So it's something 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:54.040 bigger than a single trip maybe, or who knows a 1:00:54.080 --> 1:00:56.680 lot of people are gonna want to carry a hold deer. Okay, 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:00.880 you killed big white tail buck hunter eighty pounds, you're 1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:02.600 gonna strip it down, but you know a lot of 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:04.959 people aren't gonna do that. No, that's a heavy load. 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:09.680 Some old dude retired. I don't think he can. We 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:12.240 can really answer the general rule on how much time 1:01:12.360 --> 1:01:16.480 do you think you have? Well, I okay, because there's 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:20.120 just too many variables. But we can say at fifty 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:22.520 degrees and sure, I'll give you a number. I'll say 1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:26.120 this longer than you think, if the proper steps are 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:30.600 taken longer. It's amazing how durable that stuff is if 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:34.720 the proper steps are taken. That's amazing. The temperature difference 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:39.120 between a sun filled meadow and early September and a dark, 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:42.160 shady patch of timber with a creek flowing through it. 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:44.520 Is that gonna be your tip for patting? Well, I'm 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:47.280 just I'm just getting into this, but yeah, no, you 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:49.640 only you only get one tip or tree. Okay. My 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:51.800 tip is work, work quick, and get that ship in 1:01:51.800 --> 1:01:55.760 the timber north face and slow. Yeah, hang it up, 1:01:56.040 --> 1:02:00.400 good airflow. It just worked quick because yeah, I've killed 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:04.439 elk on hot September days before, and it is stick 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:07.200 your hands inside that animal and it's a hundred plus 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.240 degrees and you pull your hands out and it's nine 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:13.439 plus degrees outside. The clock is ticking, and so yeah, 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:18.600 we're just working quick. Think about taking a nap, cold 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.320 ass day and you're trying to take a nap down 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:22.120 the timber, you gotta go up into a sunny medal. 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:24.960 Or conversely, you're trying to take a nap up in 1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:27.680 a sunny meadow and you can't no wait, and then 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:29.280 you go down. You gotta adda layer to take a 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.800 nap down below. Big differ. That's by moving fifty yards 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:37.479 Nature's refrigerator. Phil I would say, definitely get the hide off, 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:39.880 and if you're super worried about it, uh, get the 1:02:39.880 --> 1:02:43.240 bones out. You know, you get more air flow circulation 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:45.520 in into the big cuts of meat, like let's say 1:02:45.520 --> 1:02:48.040 it's an elk, you know, taking that hind quarter and 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:50.560 getting it to where that bone is out of there, 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.600 and also taking the hide off that mountain goat I 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:56.400 killed last year. We left the last hind quarter in 1:02:56.480 --> 1:03:00.520 the hide. I did, huh full body mountain. I was like, oh, 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:02.520 it's in the hide. I'm just gonna leave it in 1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:04.280 the hide and pack the rest to this out. And 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.840 we got out and that hind quarter was still warm 1:03:06.960 --> 1:03:11.240 from being insulated from that hide from that fur. So 1:03:11.720 --> 1:03:14.560 hide off if you're really worried about it. Bone out 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:22.800 Steve ano. Um, that was my tip that you I'm 1:03:22.840 --> 1:03:24.560 answering the part of this thing, like how long can 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:26.080 you how long can you put it off? You can 1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:29.720 put it off a long time if you get the 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:34.560 body heat out and you keep it in the shade, 1:03:35.320 --> 1:03:38.280 up in the breeze, not wrapped up in garbage bags. 1:03:39.680 --> 1:03:43.000 Um longer than you think, to the point where you're 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:46.440 kind of surprised. We were days. Yeah, the thing that 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:48.240 I was returning to man, we we we we were 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:50.880 hunting doll sheep once in Alaska, and it was no joke. 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.560 There were so many fires. There was still fire season. 1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:57.240 There's so many fires going on that it was obstructing 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:04.160 our glassing like that kind of weather and unseasonably hot 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:09.200 in the eighties every day, and we kept We killed 1:04:09.240 --> 1:04:11.240 two sheep the first one we killed. I think we 1:04:11.280 --> 1:04:14.200 had we carried it around us for seven days by 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:18.160 being very judicious about how we were taking care of it, 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:19.920 what we were doing with that night. We'd even chisel 1:04:20.000 --> 1:04:21.680 a hole down in a glacier and get a good 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:23.800 chill on it like that. But it's moving it along 1:04:23.840 --> 1:04:26.040 and always trying to decide what best to do, hanging 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:29.160 it by the creek, keeping it in the shade during 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:31.520 the daytime, getting it out at night, letting it cool, 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:35.000 and it was I kind of came away with that 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.280 with like a real appreciation for if you're properly, if 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:40.520 you're properly equipped and paying attention, that you can do 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:43.520 some pretty miraculous stuff without having meat spoil. And I've 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:46.960 also had experiences, particularly I first got involved in Western hunting, 1:04:47.520 --> 1:04:50.520 I had some experiences where I was shocked at how badly, 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:57.360 how quickly something could go south, how just stunning lee 1:04:57.440 --> 1:05:01.960 fast you could spoil something by not I didn't ride 1:05:01.960 --> 1:05:03.720 around the back of your pick up, not deal with 1:05:03.760 --> 1:05:05.960 the body heat well, even in the body, even in 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:08.439 the field, especially with elk, you know, I I see 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:11.200 it all the time in rifle season. It's a cold day, 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.000 there's snow on the ground, and guys will wait, you know, 1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:18.080 to field dress their their their elk, and and that 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:20.800 that elk meat goes goes bad so fast it's unbelievable. 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:22.920 If you even in the snow, if you don't get 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:25.520 the neck opened up and get the esophagus out, get 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:27.880 it get a breathing, you know that you'll you'll lose 1:05:27.920 --> 1:05:30.320 meat even when it's cold. He said things Laner six 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:32.600 hundred pounds. It's like to get down to the core 1:05:32.680 --> 1:05:35.560 of it's what eighteen inches deep. It's a heat factory, 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:38.040 you know, and that thing's hundred three degrees internal body 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:40.560 temperature or whatever. Here's a question for you, Steve. Have 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:43.680 you ever put meat in the creek? You know what? 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:45.840 Can take a quarter and put it in the crip. 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:47.440 I had a question from a guy like that. And 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:50.720 on that same trip I'm talking about, we had some 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:56.040 contractor bags and we were putting meat, putting sheet meat 1:05:56.160 --> 1:06:00.360 in contractor bags and putting it down in a creek 1:06:00.800 --> 1:06:06.360 to cool it off underwater. The problem is dry bags, 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:09.200 contractor bags, all this stuff is like pretty waterproof, but 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:11.640 you submerge, you put it underwater. I don't know how 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:13.600 it happens. The seams, I don't know what it is. 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:18.640 Even like a brand spikty new contractor bag. Somehow you 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:20.280 open it up, like, I don't know how it happened. 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:22.160 There's a quart of water landing about that damn bag. 1:06:22.240 --> 1:06:25.920 So what's the danger there? It just gets nothing. Really, 1:06:26.160 --> 1:06:29.200 it's unsightly and it turns all white and weird looking. 1:06:29.320 --> 1:06:30.800 But You know what, when I was hunting in Hawaii. 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:34.800 I was with some Hawaiians in Hawaii. The first thing 1:06:34.840 --> 1:06:36.680 they do is put there. The first thing to do 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:38.640 is bone out. We got we're hunting access to here. 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:41.120 Bone the thing out and throwing the ice water. But 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:43.520 if you just took it, looks like a drowned rat 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:48.000 there man hide on and just dunked at him. Correct, 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:53.280 I would do it, certainly protect one side. Yeah, I 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:55.360 would do that before I let it rot. We're not 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:58.560 talking about like g rdia, like laying eggs into your 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:02.120 elchem It's not happening. It's just the discoloration in a 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:05.000 way it looks once it's wet in. The Hawaiians are 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:07.320 like they put it in the water to do what 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:09.000 I'm talking about. As they put in the water to 1:07:09.080 --> 1:07:11.360 draw all the blood out. They pulled that meat out. 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:13.840 It's like ivory. But dude, it was good man. Then 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:19.560 they steamed underground that he likes a chill and ice water. 1:07:21.080 --> 1:07:23.320 I shot a black bear in the bear tooths a 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:24.960 couple of years ago, and it took me two and 1:07:24.960 --> 1:07:26.640 a half days to get it out. In two nights 1:07:26.640 --> 1:07:29.000 in a row, we put all the bear meat in 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:32.080 several trash bags and then into a creek there go, 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.840 And so that was our refrigerator. The second morning, as 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:39.680 I pulled the bags out of the creek, a pot 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:43.880 of otters came past our camp, our creekside camp that 1:07:43.960 --> 1:07:49.000 I'm sure smelled this meat miles and miles down. Yeah. 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:51.000 They came off the still water and came up into 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:55.000 this tributary way way up into the bear tooths. I 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:58.000 saw a pot of otters, and I'm sure my bear 1:07:58.080 --> 1:08:00.880 meat had baited him up there, and it wasn't. It 1:08:00.960 --> 1:08:04.360 wasn't five minutes until that morning pulled it out and 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:09.800 then ten squeaky otters slipped past camp. They definitely would 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:15.760 have ripped that bag up all, no doubt, John, Are 1:08:15.800 --> 1:08:20.680 there any sets of tricks left? Well? I think the 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:23.840 the point about getting the meat off the bone, if 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:27.040 you're really concerned, that's a big one. And getting airflow 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:29.479 under any kind of airflow. You know, we did this 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:33.160 on a moose hunt earlier this year. It was a 1:08:33.240 --> 1:08:37.040 d i y drop camp and it was hot and um, 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:38.559 you know, we were and it was just kind of 1:08:38.640 --> 1:08:40.639 rainy and warm the whole time, and so we were 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:44.920 pretty concerned about the meat but we uh got enough 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:48.000 airflow on it and would flip them around every now 1:08:48.080 --> 1:08:49.880 and then, and we were out there for over a 1:08:49.880 --> 1:08:52.800 week and a half and even though it smelled kind 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:55.559 of ripe and we actually got it back and started 1:08:55.600 --> 1:08:59.000 trimming up, it was great. So that is one of 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:00.880 the things to your points. Do you think it's amazing 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:04.519 how long if you do care for it it'll last. 1:09:04.760 --> 1:09:07.559 But you know, it seems like it's increasingly an issue 1:09:07.560 --> 1:09:10.120 in some ways. You know. I was in Elk camp 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:14.120 in September this year, always in public plan and was 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:17.920 fortunate to have been able to ride into camp. But 1:09:18.000 --> 1:09:21.880 more and more, especially you know, like young athletic hunters, 1:09:21.880 --> 1:09:24.519 which is obviously great for the whole sport, but are 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:27.840 sort of going solo, going in deep, you know, and 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:31.200 and particularly bow hunting elk. You know, you really have 1:09:31.280 --> 1:09:34.559 to think through what's your plan? What? What? What is 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:38.240 your is your plan? Because? Uh, the the one word 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:41.360 answer I was going to give to to the Pete 1:09:41.400 --> 1:09:49.200 from Bozeman, right, uh would be uh buddies, yes, uh, 1:09:49.400 --> 1:09:52.800 because uh, you know, you can get a signal on 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:54.640 top of a lot of ridges. You can have a 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:56.760 plan even if you want to hunt alone. I get 1:09:56.760 --> 1:09:59.040 that I like to hunt alone too, but you know, 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:01.720 to be able to say I need some help get 1:10:01.760 --> 1:10:03.920 in here. That doesn't mean my tip since you already 1:10:03.960 --> 1:10:05.720 had one, I'm gonna just add on to that one. 1:10:06.160 --> 1:10:08.640 But yeah, when I was talking about yesterday, I was 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:11.680 hunting with my neighbor and we got lucky killed when 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:14.799 we're packing one out and we're going through the same scenario. 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:19.160 But living in Colorado, I had probably almost a dozen 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.720 people on the list that it was just on the 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:24.280 bolletin board year round. But like my wife knew, I 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:27.200 would probably call her first and then like, hey, run 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:29.120 the list and get up here as fast as you can. 1:10:29.600 --> 1:10:32.360 Most of those people weren't hunters. Most of them were 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:35.160 just people that like enjoyed the outdoors, were stoked to 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:40.120 get you know, a few steaks, steaks and burgers exactly. 1:10:40.200 --> 1:10:42.519 They're like sweet, so stoked to go for a hike today, 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:44.479 didn't have anything to do on a Sunday. You know, 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:47.040 so often it would be it's hard to talk your 1:10:47.080 --> 1:10:50.120 hunting buddies into coming to help you. It's usually easier 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:51.640 to talk to guy. It's like I can get some 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:55.040 milk met coming, and then you don't have to be 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:59.559 shown another hunter your spot. Yeah, it doesn't leave a 1:10:59.560 --> 1:11:01.439 lot to the imagination when you gotta take him right 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:07.160 to the exact spotty. Yeah, so here he is exactly 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:11.240 where he was standing. I have a friend in Bozeman who, 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:14.240 uh they raise horses, and they're raising pack horses, and 1:11:14.320 --> 1:11:16.280 he tells me every year he's like, you know, the 1:11:16.320 --> 1:11:19.280 more experienced these horses have getting him out, you know, 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:22.160 let me know. So I take my dolor um with 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:25.240 me and he's just ready to go. At all times. 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:27.680 He does hunt too, but like he knows, he's just 1:11:27.800 --> 1:11:30.040 like he'll be at work. He hit him with the dolarm, 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:32.320 He's just like, I gotta go. He goes and gets 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:35.320 his horse and will you know, head up to the trail. 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:37.519 So if you know or can get a hold of 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:39.760 somebody that would do that kind of thing, because I 1:11:39.800 --> 1:11:43.200 know some like way back before it became super popular, 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:46.519 Cameron Haynes in his book would write about he had 1:11:46.560 --> 1:11:49.479 a guy on call he paid to pack his bulls 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.360 out of the back country and like you were saying, 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:54.439 it's getting to the point where guys, are you know, 1:11:55.000 --> 1:11:58.479 so gun hoe to go the furthest go you know, 1:11:58.600 --> 1:12:00.479 solo that they don't even think about it, and then 1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:02.200 they get a bowl on the ground. It's like, now 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:05.160 what am I gonna do? Yeah? Now it's it's a big, big, 1:12:05.160 --> 1:12:07.840 big deal. I I love my horse and my mule 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:12.240 almost to it like an indecent level. But I'm not 1:12:12.320 --> 1:12:14.320 a great horseman by any means. You know, there's a 1:12:14.320 --> 1:12:19.080 lot of really great horse people around, and uh, there's 1:12:19.120 --> 1:12:22.360 just a question in my mind whether, uh you should 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:26.600 call a licensed outfitter for that job. You know, I 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:29.240 get the friend and buddy thing with horses and stuff. 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:31.439 But in my mind, I'm wondering if there might be 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.799 some rules and regulations about it. You know, Uh, there's 1:12:34.600 --> 1:12:38.320 a lot there's there's lots of great licensed outfitters in 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:40.560 the state. Who would that cost if? I mean, and 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.280 I don't think it's real expensive, you know, real expensive 1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:46.519 relative to the service you're getting. You know, what did 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:48.240 I do in Washington? What did he what did you 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:50.840 ever talk about prices with it? He does? He does 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:53.880 that in the fall for a living nice It's like 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:58.679 an uber driver for what do you think bucks to pack? 1:12:58.720 --> 1:13:02.160 I don't milk five miles. I think you could probably 1:13:02.240 --> 1:13:05.200 get an outfit or it's just sort of a wrangler 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.120 to me, you know, somebody's really kind of just coming 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:10.000 to help pack meet gonna be him in another horse. 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:12.600 It depends, you know how if it's fifteen miles or 1:13:12.640 --> 1:13:17.920 five miles or what, but not to fifty there you 1:13:17.960 --> 1:13:23.080 go say, have an extra wildest guess. But and I've 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:28.080 seen even in like diners and in Colorado elsewhere, like 1:13:28.160 --> 1:13:30.160 and you'll see a guy like with a sign up 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:32.400 where you know where you got the guys that caught 1:13:32.400 --> 1:13:34.320 the buckskin on the end of a piece of paper, 1:13:34.920 --> 1:13:37.680 cut the fringe, you tear the tab off, dudes advertising 1:13:37.720 --> 1:13:40.320 that service. That's a good thing to look in. You man, 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:42.080 just have like a let's have like an ace in 1:13:42.120 --> 1:13:46.439 the hole before you go hunting. Gangs that with a question. 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:49.960 This guy is from the UK, does not hunt. Wants 1:13:49.960 --> 1:13:52.800 to know this could a major league pitcher with a 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:56.439 wicked bassball, if taught to stalk a white tailed deer, 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:00.439 be able to kill the deer with a rock that 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:03.800 could fit in his hand. And if he had a tag, 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:07.080 would his methods for filling the tag be legal? That's 1:14:07.080 --> 1:14:11.040 a two part answer, yes and no, Yes and no. 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:13.320 I think my answer is yes and no, Yeah, you 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:17.800 probably killing. No, it's probably not legal, not legal method 1:14:17.800 --> 1:14:23.680 to take. Method of take is interesting. Um uh, the 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:26.760 level of specificity they get into a method of take, 1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:30.360 particularly if you get into something like waterfowl where it's 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:35.519 like shot size, composition of shot, So it's like how 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:38.760 the diameter of the shot, what the shot is made of, 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:44.639 the borer of the shotgun being prohibitions on too small, 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:50.759 prohibitions on too large, how many shells the firearm can hold, 1:14:51.400 --> 1:14:53.559 the gauge of the firearm. You know, I was getting 1:14:54.200 --> 1:14:59.960 with the poor size, like excruciating level of detail around 1:15:00.040 --> 1:15:04.679 method to take. And in some places like Alaska waterfalls federal, 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:07.360 but some places like they're they leave a lot, there's 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:09.400 a lot of like open. They don't get into a 1:15:09.400 --> 1:15:12.120 lot of method to take. Discussions of other states get 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:14.560 into what would be like the draft again and that 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:18.439 like coyote killing and Montana, like I don't know what 1:15:18.520 --> 1:15:21.160 would be there's no method to take there, don't it's 1:15:21.200 --> 1:15:28.519 non game Okay, yeah, um yehney, I got a couple 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:31.080 of good ones here. This one would be a little 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:34.719 bit shorter at least answer I think. Um this fella 1:15:34.760 --> 1:15:37.840 is saying, well, it's Jordan's, so it could be a gal. 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:41.880 Let's say it's a goal. Okay, she's saying she's shot 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:44.960 enough big game animals are a rifle, that she knows 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:47.880 what it looks like when she gets a good hit 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:53.519 by the animal's reaction and behavior, and that uh so 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:55.720 she's she can kind of tell, like if it's a 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:58.240 good hit and whether she has to shoot again or not. 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:01.160 But even though it's a good hit and it's starting 1:16:01.160 --> 1:16:04.080 to get wobbly, it still, you know, it's taking seconds 1:16:04.120 --> 1:16:08.160 to you know, lay or fall down, so it's a 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.439 little bit longer. But she feels like she's in a 1:16:11.040 --> 1:16:15.559 ethical quandary, wondering should she just shoot again and get 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:17.920 it over with or she just let it go on 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.360 its own. And the reason it's a it's a quantity 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:22.200 for her, it's because she feels like a second shot 1:16:22.680 --> 1:16:25.760 might do more deep meat damage and she wants to 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:28.280 get as much good meat out of it as possible. 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:33.400 I question question. I like it. There's a reason guns 1:16:33.400 --> 1:16:39.280 hold more than one bullet, because I've seen it, you know, 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:43.200 any number of times guys I think that they've knocked 1:16:43.200 --> 1:16:47.080 an animal down, even even when it falls, even gals 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:52.600 that have shot a hundred critters like Jordan's. Yes, yeah, no, 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:56.599 I would. I always put another round or two into 1:16:56.600 --> 1:17:01.639 the animals. You do. Yeah, if it's standing, I'm shooting. 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:08.040 If if I've made contact, if I've wounded that animal, 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:12.760 and now it is my responsibility to finish the job. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.080 I know. But but she's saying that like this is 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:19.800 after a good shot, like you just like it could 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:22.360 be a seventy five yards and you saw the bullet 1:17:22.439 --> 1:17:28.280 go right through both longs. We're talking seconds, probably just 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:34.240 long enough to get off another shot or not. I'm 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:37.599 with Pete. I'm shooting, keep shooting, put another one through 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:42.000 the roobs, John, I think it depends on the animal. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:45.240 That's what I'm saying. Okay, that's what I'm saying. We're 1:17:45.240 --> 1:17:50.440 talking brown bear, we're talking white till those two different categories. 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:56.080 I shot a brown bear in Alaska recently, and I'll 1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:58.280 leave some of the names out to protect the innocent. 1:17:58.360 --> 1:18:02.599 But it was a charge situation and we emptied our guns, 1:18:03.760 --> 1:18:05.000 but it was it was kind of a life or 1:18:05.040 --> 1:18:07.680 death deal. Yeah that's yeah, that's its own thing. Yeah, 1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:13.639 that's that's way different than you we gonnaut I heard 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:17.680 about that Yeah, yeah, it was kind of hairy. But 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:20.840 then you know elk, deer, antelope, you know planes, game, 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:25.360 you know, smaller stuff save the meat pete. Yeah, I'm 1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:28.120 into it. I like I like breaking big animals down there. 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:31.320 I mean, elk elk are tough. Just because you think 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:34.120 you have a fatal hit on him doesn't mean you do. 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:39.160 I don't know. Yeah, I would say, yeah, it depends 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:42.439 on the animal. A moose, absolutely, keep shooting on a moose. 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:47.760 Absolutely on some stuff like white tail or caribou. I 1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:50.000 would be like reading a lot into what I saw happen, 1:18:50.080 --> 1:18:53.759 sure what I thought was happening. Now it's interesting because 1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:56.960 Jordans really and maybe I just didn't do a good 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:58.800 enough joy to explain this, but you guys have all 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:02.720 answered and sort of just like waste meat or not meat. 1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:09.160 She also is wondering about, like the animals misery in 1:19:09.160 --> 1:19:11.760 those three or four I'm talking about we're talking about 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:15.519 fractions of not fractions, we're talking about seconds. I think 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:17.360 of someone. I think that any one of us, if 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:22.479 they knew, if if it was minutes, shoot again. By 1:19:22.560 --> 1:19:27.439 that point, there's no question anymore, like at probably ten seconds, 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:30.479 there's no question if you go long enough to think 1:19:30.520 --> 1:19:33.160 about it. In my opinion, you probably should have another 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:35.080 one going down. Here we're talking about something that we're 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:39.960 talking about, a decision that that you're you know you're 1:19:39.960 --> 1:19:44.960 we're talking about decisions playing out over a handful of seconds. 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:48.439 Dead on his feet, dead to rights, he's still dancing around, 1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:51.840 but he is going to die. Doesn't sound like there's 1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:53.559 much of a reason to shoot again. Yeah, if you 1:19:53.680 --> 1:19:56.839 get a hit on something runs three or four steps, 1:19:57.360 --> 1:19:59.559 you can see the shot place. It's like out clear. 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:01.840 You can see the shot placement. You can tell from 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:08.320 body language, you know it's gonna be down within literally seconds. 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:10.559 It's just not I just feel like it's you're not 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.040 doing it a favor by shooting it again special. If 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:16.280 it's already kind of like it's dead wall, it's it's 1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:19.200 like dead walls wall too. I feel like if if 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:22.280 I took up a thirty cow through both lungs, I'm 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:26.200 probably not feeling much else at that point. The world 1:20:26.240 --> 1:20:29.920 has gone fuzzy and gray, you know, immediately right, and 1:20:29.960 --> 1:20:33.080 the reverses is so true, you know it's it's what's 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:35.960 worse than losing an animal that's been hit so sort 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:38.360 of went in doubt, you know what I mean when 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:41.000 in doubt, and that's kind of where I am. I mean, yeah, 1:20:41.040 --> 1:20:44.320 I mean, if you know that the animals dead, honest feet, Okay, 1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.599 I don't need to shoot again, but you know, it's 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:50.760 it's the ones, especially those kind of marginal like near 1:20:50.800 --> 1:20:54.280 the spine hits where they drop and everybody's starting to, 1:20:54.560 --> 1:20:58.080 you know, get excited and unload their gun and all that. 1:20:58.080 --> 1:20:59.680 Then all of a sudden, the animal pops up and 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:02.519 is off like a shot. Now you've got a mess 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:06.920 on your hands. Yeah, that's why I'm always thinking about 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:08.840 putting another one into it if I can. You bow 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:11.639 hunters might already know this. I'd be really curious to 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.639 hear some opinions. But I learned from a buddy of mine, 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:19.639 Jason Morrison, uh recently that you know, on on elk, 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:22.519 you kill or you you shoot a bowl with it 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:27.160 with an arrow, knock another arrow and shoot again. And 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:30.439 and maybe that's habit for for you guys, but nothing 1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:32.479 to lose. I think for a lot of guys it's not. 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.120 And uh, you know, if you're if you're able to 1:21:35.120 --> 1:21:37.120 get a second arrow in a in an elk, it 1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:40.559 helps a lot one up. Man, you know there's nothing 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:45.599 to lose. Okay, ready with this one? Please? Is it 1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:48.479 okay to hunt squirrel in public land during deer hunting season? 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:51.360 I know it's legal, but is it right? I know 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:53.120 if I were going to hunt for ten days for 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:55.360 deer and a squirrel hunter came through, I'd be pissed. 1:21:55.560 --> 1:21:58.639 What's the etiquette on this topic? We've covered this before. 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:05.320 I don't think you're under any obligation whatsoever to determine 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:09.320 who has a um, who has the rights to be 1:22:09.360 --> 1:22:14.639 in the woods. I just don't sucks for the deer hunter, 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:17.960 yes it does, but it sucks for you more to 1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:22.519 stay home. I think you could do a good turn. 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:24.800 You pull up to a little parking area on a 1:22:24.800 --> 1:22:27.560 little game management area and there's like a couple of 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:32.720 trucks there. It's getting towards dusk, you know, if possible 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:36.880 going on our direction, But if it came to be 1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:38.679 in that you feel like you need to sit home 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:45.200 for them from October one November for fear of running 1:22:45.200 --> 1:22:51.040 into a bowl hunter. No, No, it's your woods too, man. Yeah, 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:54.360 public land owner. Yeah, it's just like it's like, I'm sorry, 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:56.759 I think you could do like, yeah, if it's like courteous, 1:22:56.880 --> 1:22:58.400 if you're there, if you see the guy sitting in 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:00.719 a tree stand, don't go stomp and under it. Maybe, 1:23:00.760 --> 1:23:03.120 you know, try to sneak around or something, But no 1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:04.880 reason you shouldn't be in the woods at that point. 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:06.679 If you know there's a bowl hunt or the left, 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:09.920 you could just easily go right. That's just courtesy. I 1:23:10.040 --> 1:23:12.200 killed a mountain goat right next to some ice climbers 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:15.680 one time. How do they feel about that? Uh, we 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:18.880 didn't really actually have a conversation, but the sheet of 1:23:18.920 --> 1:23:23.880 ice crap. They were able to talk afterwards. They weren't 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:27.160 responded after I think that was like a share. That 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:34.080 was an interesting combination ice climbers and mountain goat hunters. 1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:40.080 Oh yeah, I'm with you. You know, if it's yeah, 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:44.280 if it's prime time, don't go in there, but go 1:23:44.400 --> 1:23:46.240 hunt in the middle of the day. But yeah, if 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:48.200 it's going to keep you at home, I'd go into 1:23:48.200 --> 1:23:51.799 the woods and go squirrel hunting or hiking for that matter, 1:23:51.920 --> 1:23:55.400 or rabbit hunting or maybe I don't know whatever it 1:23:55.479 --> 1:23:59.759 might be in the woods during right, you know, deer season. 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:02.599 I just hate the idea that a small game hunter 1:24:02.640 --> 1:24:06.160 would feel like a second class citizen in the hunting community. 1:24:06.200 --> 1:24:08.759 We need more small game hunter, squirrel huntings school, rabbit 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:12.240 hunting school. You know, that's as legit as anything else 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:16.639 we do. So I'm with I'm with you, get out there. 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:18.720 But I do think the bowl hunters think that they 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:24.960 have I think that they that their activities with trump others. Right, 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:29.200 that's a can of worms. But yeah, I mean there 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:31.799 is that add because they're more they're they're so invested 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:34.840 in they got so much time invested in it, right, 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.759 And it's like comes down to these like precise moments, 1:24:38.360 --> 1:24:40.920 and you've got like a ton of effort, working your 1:24:40.960 --> 1:24:46.120 ass off, practicing hanging stands. It's like, you know, waiting 1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:48.880 for the perfect moment, and then it gets blown by 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.760 some dude who, from all appearances seems to be like 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:56.280 kind of willy nilly, low commitment, low barrier to entry, 1:24:56.360 --> 1:24:58.680 wandering through the woods, shooting off twenty two shells and 1:24:58.720 --> 1:25:02.040 bullshit with his body. Right, It's like it can feel 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:04.920 that way, but and yeend I think it's it's just 1:25:05.200 --> 1:25:07.760 not your place, man. It's like someone has just the 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:09.960 same right you have. You gotta do your best to 1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:12.960 respect all the stakeholders at the table. Like if you're 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:16.560 fly fisherman and some some guy comes floating down the 1:25:16.640 --> 1:25:20.080 river in an inner tube drinking a Coors Light. He's 1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:24.040 having a good time too, but you may be trying 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:26.320 to stick a big brown trout in a spot that 1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:29.960 he happened to float right over. Yeah, you know, this 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:32.160 is kind of a tangent though to what you're talking about. 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:34.759 A couple of the guys, one of my buddies in particular, 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:37.960 he's a great hunter. You know, we hunt public a lot, 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.000 and we'll encounter other guys, and one of the things 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:43.200 I admire about him is that he doesn't let the 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:48.479 presence of other hunters deter him at all when he 1:25:48.520 --> 1:25:51.320 sees him. That's the eagle. The eagles like that. Yeah, 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.280 you know, and I think that. So I think that 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:57.840 when people feel that, like that drop that disheartening sense 1:25:57.840 --> 1:26:00.439 of oh my god, somebody just tromped through my space 1:26:00.560 --> 1:26:03.559 or I encountered a guy in my honey hole, it's 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:07.880 impossible not to a little bit, but you gotta. But 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:11.080 I think a good hunter just as like, all right, 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:13.439 I'm gonna well, It's like when I go bear hunting 1:26:13.479 --> 1:26:15.840 in the spring, there's always dudes around, and you know, 1:26:15.920 --> 1:26:17.680 you can get real down on it, or you can 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:19.360 just be like that guy's got no game. He ain't 1:26:19.360 --> 1:26:21.840 going to see the bears that I'm gonna see. And 1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:23.960 I've been on a vantage where I come back from 1:26:24.000 --> 1:26:25.920 a stock or something and there's a bunch of guys 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:28.120 just looking around, Willy Nillion. They didn't see any of 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:30.760 the bears there. Just like, must a change, man, because 1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:32.920 when I was back, when I was living here previously, 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:38.040 no one, no one. There's a lot more bear hunters now. Man. 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:41.280 It's a popular thing to do. Yeah, it used to 1:26:41.320 --> 1:26:43.679 be something fun to do in the spring that nobody did. 1:26:43.840 --> 1:26:48.559 No one. I know so many bear hunters. Hmm, it's 1:26:48.640 --> 1:26:53.720 kind of ridiculous. Care what you talk about? They got 1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:56.320 spring fever, care for what you talk about? Just on 1:26:56.360 --> 1:27:00.160 that topic about there's sort of karma to the are 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:03.519 in public land thing too. We were in public land 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:07.439 hunting and uh two years ago in September and had 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:09.960 a nice hunt on a good bull, didn't quite happen. 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:13.400 Excited to go back the next day. Alarm goes off 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:17.840 at four thirty and uh, you know, making coffee, getting 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:23.200 boots on and here come to public hunters. So you know, 1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:27.759 right right through camp saying we watched your elk hunt yesterday. 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:30.160 You mind if I go try to get that bullet 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:36.640 and uh yeah, it's you know it's your it's your 1:27:36.720 --> 1:27:41.160 lamb too, man, go go for it. You want You 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:43.280 wanna hear a good segment. I never heard of that before. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:46.320 You know, you're saying that your alarm went off. Here's 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:48.720 a good segue. Check us out. A guy rolled in 1:27:48.720 --> 1:27:51.280 about his body. We're talking about what makes turkey shot gobble, 1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:54.240 all the sounds that will make turkey shot gob he said. 1:27:54.240 --> 1:27:56.000 One day his body pulls out to a turkey hunting 1:27:56.040 --> 1:28:00.760 spot and he got there a little early, and he's, um, 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:03.439 I think you'll take a quick nap, but falls real 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:07.360 to sleep and wakes up and it's already legal light, 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:10.880 and he's in. He's so flustered and frantic get to 1:28:10.920 --> 1:28:13.360 get out that he likes, messes up his keys and 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:15.400 what he's doing, and sets his own car alarm off, 1:28:16.479 --> 1:28:19.280 and his car alarm is going crazy, and a gobbler 1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:22.479 just sixty yards from his truck starts just hammering on 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:25.120 the thing, gets the alarm off, goes down the trail 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:27.200 twenty yards and calls that gobbler and to get them. 1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:34.600 It's awesome. Ah, what else you add that to the list? Huh? 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:38.080 It was already on the list. Oh, of things that 1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:40.519 make Gobler's gobble the best one I've heard lately about 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:42.400 because we got I have a long list golling of 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:44.559 noises that make Turkey's gowl and the best one I've 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:46.200 heard in a long time. As the guy was saying 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:51.439 the morning bells at a monastery when he taunts turkeys 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:54.320 near a monastery and in the morning, go do dong, 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:58.160 and the golers started hammering. You can do the same 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:01.600 thing with bulls bugling. In late September, we had a 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:03.360 guy say he doesn't He didn't want me to say 1:29:03.400 --> 1:29:05.800 this because he doesn't want to blow it. He said, 1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:09.000 don't tell anybody this. He hunts in Idaho and he 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:11.280 brings his older bugle out and to spring to shot 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:14.639 gobble Turkey. He's the holy ship. Does it work good? Huh? Oh, yeah, 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:20.200 knows about that. Oh nice, I blow a rabbit distress 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:26.040 calling that works up with gobble. That's funny. I've clapped 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:28.960 real hard before and gotten to shot gobble at it. 1:29:29.280 --> 1:29:32.120 My brother whistle a big rip and whistle too. My 1:29:32.200 --> 1:29:40.920 brother goes hey. Speaking of hunting on public land, This 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:44.840 fella found himself a sweet spot over hunting over two scrapes. 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:48.280 He was all pumped up, got his tree stand in there, 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:53.200 got in early, and right at first light, he catches 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:55.960 his movement out of the corner of his eye. No, 1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:59.000 it's not a big old buck coming down the trail. 1:29:59.120 --> 1:30:04.120 It's another hunter, old dude who has a stand that 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:07.800 he didn't see about seventy five yards away from him. 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:11.960 He whistles, he gets his attention. The dude waves back 1:30:12.200 --> 1:30:20.720 and contin So he's not really worried about like the ethics, 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:23.280 so like what you should do, But he's worried about 1:30:23.320 --> 1:30:29.519 like that. What's the associated hunting danger or danger that 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:32.640 surrounds that. Hunting so close to another hunter that you 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:38.040 don't know, You don't know what he's gonna do. None 1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:43.160 knows you're there, knows you're human being sitting seventy yards away. Well, 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:47.240 unless he's just an idiot, right, it's more dangerous than 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:52.360 being about yourself. Maybe, unless if you if you fall 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:54.240 out of your stand, at least he's there to see 1:30:54.240 --> 1:31:00.439 if they haven't give your hand no dangers re lining, 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:03.120 I say no dangers, I fall out of my stand. 1:31:03.120 --> 1:31:06.280 I got a buddy here to help me. And you 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:10.080 say if he was rightful at bow hunting, it didn't say, well, no, 1:31:10.200 --> 1:31:13.479 I did both both season. Both season. I'm a lot 1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:16.160 more worried about the guy who doesn't see me. Yeah, 1:31:16.200 --> 1:31:19.760 that's very true, for sure. Man. Yeah it's annoying, but 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:23.160 I just wouldn't like when I'm out assessing danger. Right, 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:25.000 you're out, You're always a set. You should be always 1:31:25.040 --> 1:31:27.880 be out assessing danger. And a guy comes up and 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:30.040 we acknowledge each other's presence and he decides to hunt 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:32.559 seventy five yards away from me. I'm not being like, oh, 1:31:32.680 --> 1:31:35.519 this is getting dangerous. I'm like, this is getting extremely annoying. 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:38.600 Not dangerous, but extremely annoying. Have we talked about the 1:31:38.600 --> 1:31:41.400 story we heard from Maryland on the show. Yes, we 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:43.679 talked about that. I think we did on the Maryland Show. 1:31:44.040 --> 1:31:47.040 Are you sure? I'm pretty sure, dude. I wish I 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:50.080 knew for absolute positive, because the best story I've ever heard, 1:31:51.000 --> 1:31:54.439 the best hunting story I've ever heard. They won't mind, 1:31:54.920 --> 1:31:58.760 So buddy of bars down in Maryland is I don't 1:31:58.760 --> 1:32:01.840 know marsh and a heavy hunted area, and they're hunting 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:04.280 these little islands of trees out in the swamp. Okay, 1:32:04.320 --> 1:32:07.719 out in the marsh. He gets up bright and squirreling, 1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:10.840 gets out in his thing way before light and gets 1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:12.880 set up in his little island. And these islands of 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:14.960 timber can can be pretty small, you know, it's like 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:17.200 ten trees or whatever. Make this a little island of timber. 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:20.679 He gets set up and sure enough towards towards like later, 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:22.880 toward light, here's the headlamp commed. He's like, I don't know. 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:25.519 The headland keeps common and common and common and come 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:28.519 until it gets to his island of trees, and he's 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:32.160 like spotty. It says, hey, I'm hunting here, you know. 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:36.960 And the guys like, well, I already got my stand over, 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:39.920 so they don't really clarify what he's gonna do, but 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:42.280 he acknowledges that he needs to go and do something 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:46.519 with his stand So the guy comes right behind him. 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:50.120 How many yards was eighteen? Yeah, something like you range 1:32:50.160 --> 1:32:53.880 finding him. He's in a tree eighteen yards away. It 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:56.320 might mean less than that because because you're hear the 1:32:56.320 --> 1:33:00.240 rest of the story. So the guy starts pulling a chain. 1:33:00.320 --> 1:33:03.599 He's got it chained with like a heavy chain where 1:33:03.600 --> 1:33:07.479 he's like, as he's pulling the chain across the steel 1:33:07.479 --> 1:33:09.160 tree stand, he's like, oh my god, let's get it 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:11.720 over with, you know. And he thinks he's unchaining the 1:33:11.760 --> 1:33:14.400 stand to move away. But after a minute, sure enough, 1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:19.240 it's like the unmistakable sound of bark. He's like, he's like, 1:33:19.760 --> 1:33:23.639 climbs up. I think it was thirteen yards. The guy 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:26.519 finally gets position and he swings around his range finder 1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:29.679 and range finding the guy. I think it was thirteen 1:33:29.760 --> 1:33:33.080 yards away. As you'll you'll see in a minute how 1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:36.600 just how close they were. So he's looking out his 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:38.920 side of the island and the guy's thirteen yards away 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.400 looking out his side islands during muzzle over season. So 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:46.760 eventually gets light out and sure enough, bouch out of 1:33:46.800 --> 1:33:51.320 this guy's tree. So our buddy like peers around to 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:54.160 see what's going on, and there's a buck out in 1:33:54.200 --> 1:33:59.719 the march, clearly unscathed, and the guy is frantically trying 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:03.080 to load his muzzleloader right for a second shot. So 1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:06.800 our buddy swings around in his stand, but the buck 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:10.680 is also circling around. Make it sound like he's like 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:15.360 now going to poach it. He's like not hit right, 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:18.640 But the guy is like frantically trying to reload his muzzloaders. 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:22.639 So our buddy swings around and shoots the buck perfect 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:26.040 and the guy they're so close to guy whispers, you 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:33.920 got him, our buddy. Our buddy climbs down and goes 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:36.320 to retrieve the bucket. He can't find it, and the 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:38.200 guy who's sitting in the other tree stand has to 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:43.040 direct him. He's like to the right, so worked out 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:45.559 to Yeah, so he Verry says he got his deer 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:49.080 very quietly vacated the area. The best part of the 1:34:49.120 --> 1:34:53.320 best part of the story is the whisper got him? 1:34:56.120 --> 1:34:59.719 What else this it's probably a good one to finish 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:02.799 up on. Um, we're gonna be about that time everybody 1:35:02.800 --> 1:35:07.760 needs to go home for dinner. But uh, this guy 1:35:07.760 --> 1:35:11.360 William asks, with all the hunts you're doing, bad weather, 1:35:11.600 --> 1:35:17.200 how does someone layer clothing on a budget? And sat 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:20.320 way you layered on enough? Yeah, but I think you 1:35:20.360 --> 1:35:24.120 can think of like a cheap way to get warm 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:32.000 and how do you keep your feet warm? Now, everybody's 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:35.320 got a tip or trick for this guy. But think brevity, 1:35:35.400 --> 1:35:39.960 Phil you want to go first, there's no other way 1:35:40.000 --> 1:35:43.640 for you. I'm going long and deep. Or do you 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:46.080 want to pass it? How to how to layer on 1:35:46.120 --> 1:35:50.040 a budget? Could get a job working for one of 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:58.599 the camel companies. That would probably help um. Well. Here 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:01.280 in Bozeman, if you go to the good will, you'll 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:05.720 find a lot of stuff that skiers drop off they 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:09.320 come for a week of skin. My wife has all 1:36:09.360 --> 1:36:13.679 sorts of really nice like Patagonia pants and stuff from 1:36:14.439 --> 1:36:17.439 local good wills. You'd be surprised with people actually donate 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:20.519 any town, any town. Yeah. I used to get tons 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:23.479 of hunting close from the Goodwill in the town of 1:36:23.560 --> 1:36:29.519 nine thousand people. It's called it's called St. Vincent same thing, Yeah, 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:31.840 I mean, don't overlook that kind of thing. You know 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:34.559 what you can find there. You know it might not 1:36:34.600 --> 1:36:36.559 be the latest and the greatest, but you know, if 1:36:36.560 --> 1:36:39.680 you're looking for bass layers, you know you don't have 1:36:39.720 --> 1:36:43.599 to be spending an arm in a leg to get them. Also, 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:45.960 I don't super believe in camels, so a lot of 1:36:46.200 --> 1:36:49.479 stuff I wear hunting. You know, it doesn't matter what 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:51.720 color it is. So if it's like you go over 1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:55.000 and it's on a sales rack and it's at Bob Ward's. 1:36:55.400 --> 1:36:58.360 It's like, pick that up. Especially rifle hunting. You don't 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:01.759 need to wear camera rifle hunting nor hunting in my opinion, 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:05.360 but that's just me. So yeah, look look on the 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:10.439 sales racks, look at the good whales. Well, I don't 1:37:10.439 --> 1:37:14.599 think there's much of a substitute for high quality gear. 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:21.160 But um, certainly before I had nice stuff, say, you know, 1:37:21.240 --> 1:37:24.559 like a three d dollar down jacket, which is an 1:37:24.560 --> 1:37:28.479 incredible piece of installation. Um, I think like in my 1:37:28.560 --> 1:37:31.200 college days, I was wearing a lot of like LLL 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:35.480 being fleeces and stuff like that, like layering cheaper garments 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:40.879 that uh maybe more fleece like than high end treated 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:44.920 down um, and utilizing that kind of stuff and always 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:48.040 stayed warm. The same with gloves like my my best 1:37:48.360 --> 1:37:52.040 cold weather gloves or fourteen bucks at Murdocks their leather 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:55.200 mittens and buy a pair to a year and then 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:59.680 the most warm because I run the I call them 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:03.160 Kerma the frog gloves. But those military surplus wool gloves 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.320 every year, just anytime I can get ahold of them. 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:07.880 And I grabbed some of those because you can put 1:38:07.920 --> 1:38:11.120 them underneath other gloves. They're cheap. You can get them 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:18.560 online for ten bucks. As far as keeping your feet warm, um, 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:21.679 maybe having boots a half a size bigger than normal, 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:24.479 a little a little bit of air around your toes, 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:30.400 all the difference, it's gonna be hard to beat. I 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:33.280 get still sick of this man. People be like, I 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:35.000 wish you had enough money to go hunting. It's like, 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:38.439 come on, I hunted and lived like comfortably for a 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:43.240 long time as a magazine writer, far below federal federal 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:46.360 poverty level. It's like nothing. I was doing the first 1:38:46.360 --> 1:38:48.120 doll sheep hunt I went on. I swear to god, 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:49.840 I had a boot, a pair of boots I bought 1:38:49.840 --> 1:38:55.040 at Circle Square pawn shop full on Army surplus rain 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:57.920 where I had a wool shirt that I had coming 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:02.080 into somewhere, and took a pair of another pair of pickles, 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:04.640 a pair of pants and cut out material to so 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:07.519 on big pockets onto my shirt with a needle and 1:39:07.600 --> 1:39:11.920 dental faust. We go on the woods rags man. On 1:39:12.000 --> 1:39:13.920 that trip, my brother was wearing underwear he found in 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:17.479 a shopping cart in the alley behind his house. I'm 1:39:17.520 --> 1:39:19.439 not joking, because he were like he later had to 1:39:19.439 --> 1:39:21.360 cut him up to make bandages, and that guy us 1:39:21.360 --> 1:39:23.640 talking about where he got in the first place, and 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:27.559 he found him in a shopping cart. It's like, come on, 1:39:27.720 --> 1:39:30.320 it's having great stuff is really nice because it frees 1:39:30.360 --> 1:39:32.880 your mind up to do other stuff. It's it's it is. 1:39:32.960 --> 1:39:36.360 It's more comfortable, it's more pleasurable, it's better. But if 1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:38.320 it comes down to if it no joke comes down 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:42.240 to you staying home or or like going or not going. 1:39:42.320 --> 1:39:44.200 And you're going or not going based on whether you 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:47.280 have like good technical apparel, you're never gonna be anything. 1:39:48.000 --> 1:39:50.600 You're never gonna be anything, and you're never gonna be happy. 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:54.120 It's just like, listen, it's true. If it's like I 1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:57.000 can't go because I don't have the come on, come on. 1:39:58.120 --> 1:39:59.679 I was in my thirties four I had a rifle 1:39:59.720 --> 1:40:01.960 that wasn't hand me down rifle. It's like, give me 1:40:02.000 --> 1:40:04.080 a break. I'm left handed. I shot right handed, rifle 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:06.160 still is. In my thirties, I got a left hand rifle. 1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:08.360 I couldn't figure how to use it. It's just like 1:40:09.240 --> 1:40:11.840 if that, if that's like really keeping you out of 1:40:11.880 --> 1:40:17.439 the woods. But that's not even answering this question. It's like, 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:24.759 go down find every used store, every goodwill, Salvation, Army, st. 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:27.400 Vincent in your town, and every month drop in there 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:31.160 and see what they got laying around and just make 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:36.240 it your summer project. You'll outfit yourself. Right. It might 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:39.479 not be the best up, it's functional, it might be 1:40:39.520 --> 1:40:42.360 awesome stuff. My wife's hunting pants are from a good 1:40:42.360 --> 1:40:44.920 will that she found. It was just you know, in 1:40:44.920 --> 1:40:46.960 a ski town, people drop it off because they'll never 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:49.479 use it again. You know, when she's got a high 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:52.160 end pair of pants that probably retail for two bucks 1:40:52.160 --> 1:40:54.960 that she got for twenty bucks. Yeah, I would, in 1:40:54.960 --> 1:40:57.200 all fairness. All the time I was doing that, dude, 1:40:57.240 --> 1:41:01.360 I was totally lusting after, like really bomber great apparel. 1:41:01.439 --> 1:41:03.479 But I'm talking about difference between going and not going. 1:41:03.800 --> 1:41:05.360 And you can go and be comfortable, and you can 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:08.280 be wishing and dreaming about getting some sweeter stuff, but 1:41:08.320 --> 1:41:10.240 you just got at a point you just gotta decide 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:13.639 you're just gonna go um and then figure the rest out. 1:41:13.920 --> 1:41:18.360 Keeping your toes warm, Uh yeah, I have a little 1:41:18.360 --> 1:41:22.880 bit bigger. If you got some old pawnshop boots, put 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:25.880 some snow seal on them. Used toe warmers like those 1:41:25.920 --> 1:41:29.559 little what do you call them warmers? Handwarmers for your toes. 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:33.240 Those things are great. Then go you go out and 1:41:33.320 --> 1:41:35.559 you know, go after hunting season down your local sporting 1:41:35.600 --> 1:41:37.360 good story and usually giving those things away because they 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:42.479 don't last forever. Good one. The other thing about about 1:41:42.520 --> 1:41:45.600 your feet is it's it's moisture management is such a 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:50.240 huge deal, you know, and uh, if everything's working properly 1:41:50.800 --> 1:41:53.640 and you're in a situation where you're hiking and ascending, 1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:57.400 you're you're perspiring, your whole body's perspiring. And and something 1:41:57.439 --> 1:41:59.920 I tell a lot of guys is, you know, layering 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:02.600 it's great, but you got to actually layer. You know, 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:05.160 when when you're about to ascend it could be very 1:42:05.240 --> 1:42:09.240 very cold, use your layers, you know, put take your 1:42:09.240 --> 1:42:11.200 coat off and put it in your pack and the 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:14.240 hardest thing stripped down, you know, and you're only gonna 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:16.479 be chilly just for a second, and then you're gonna 1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:19.760 be hot and and sweating. Well, all that sweat goes 1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:24.439 to your feet, and so managing moisture, managing perspiration inside 1:42:24.439 --> 1:42:28.320 your goes to your feet. You're saying that like dripping 1:42:28.400 --> 1:42:31.559 down your legs. You know, I'm being figurative a little bit. 1:42:32.760 --> 1:42:36.519 But your feet are sweating too, you know, and and so, 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:41.040 uh you know, I had a I had a situation 1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:43.880 one time where a guy said, hey, I just got 1:42:43.920 --> 1:42:47.000 these boots in there there giving me trouble. I can't 1:42:47.040 --> 1:42:49.719 stay warm. And I gotta started talking to him. And 1:42:50.040 --> 1:42:52.880 he worked as a security guy in a mountain town. 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:55.160 And uh, you said, yeah, you know, I put I 1:42:55.160 --> 1:42:57.000 get dressed. And I said, well, wait, hang on a second, 1:42:57.080 --> 1:42:59.200 how far is your drive to work? So I asked 1:42:59.200 --> 1:43:02.439 about an hour, you know, fourth pennutes. I'm like, dude, 1:43:03.280 --> 1:43:06.080 I'll hot your car smoking. You know, it's twenty below 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:10.120 zero outside, it's seventy five degrees in your car, and 1:43:10.120 --> 1:43:12.320 by the time you get there, your feet are sweating. Yeah. 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:14.720 I have a friend of cat hunts who does he 1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:17.880 who won't blow hot air on his feet, and he 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:20.479 won't put his boots on until he gets there, and 1:43:20.520 --> 1:43:22.479 he keeps his boots in the back so his feet 1:43:22.520 --> 1:43:25.120 don't get oversweated before he gets out and actually goes 1:43:25.200 --> 1:43:28.639 hiking or even sweat on cold boots on purpose. Yes, 1:43:29.600 --> 1:43:31.760 not necessarily, because you know, he's just trying to keep 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:35.360 his feet dry. The whole time, or you know, packing 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:37.160 an extra pair of socks, and when you do get 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:40.080 sweatered up, take the time to take him off, get 1:43:40.120 --> 1:43:43.080 your feet aired out, put on fresh socks. You put 1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:46.280 on a fresh pair of dry socks and your feet 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:49.080 feel like a million dollars. It's like you just treated 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:52.400 yourself to a day at the spot. It's unbelievable. Pair 1:43:52.479 --> 1:43:54.800 of socks in your pack is a great tip. It 1:43:55.760 --> 1:43:59.160 going last man because you guys keep stealing. I got 1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:01.719 I got more, Toad got more of dead. We're running 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:05.160 mountain lions with a guy. Um, And it was no joke. 1:44:05.240 --> 1:44:08.759 It was third team below zero. He had uninsulated leather boots. 1:44:09.080 --> 1:44:11.120 He says, I, he goes, I got sweaty feet. I 1:44:11.160 --> 1:44:13.640 do better all day. I do better to keep my 1:44:13.680 --> 1:44:16.160 feet warm with uninsulated boots because the minute I started 1:44:16.200 --> 1:44:18.439 doing anything, they sweat up. I do that same thing. 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:22.240 And when we're out working, it's a real thing, Um, 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:24.240 when you got it, when you start out in the morning, 1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:27.200 it's a real thing with like having the discipline and 1:44:27.400 --> 1:44:29.920 having everybody get on board, to have the discipline to 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:33.360 strip down before you hike, because people want to start 1:44:33.640 --> 1:44:37.120 and in in five minutes and someone's got like five minutes later, 1:44:37.280 --> 1:44:40.439 someone else is gonna shed later. And I don't have 1:44:40.520 --> 1:44:43.160 the best discipline, Like I screwed this up too, But 1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:45.599 like if you're smart, you're stripped down and you're waiting 1:44:45.640 --> 1:44:48.960 for everybody put their package. You're doing push ups because 1:44:48.960 --> 1:44:50.840 you're like, I just gotta keep warm until we get going. 1:44:51.200 --> 1:44:54.759 That's the person that winds up winning. But it requires 1:44:54.760 --> 1:44:57.360 so much discipline. I still, all these years later, I 1:44:57.360 --> 1:44:59.439 still am always getting to the top something. He'll sweat 1:44:59.520 --> 1:45:02.160 my ass off because I was too lazy. I was 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:04.200 too lazy to do what I know I should have done. 1:45:04.400 --> 1:45:06.000 And then you're up there, and then you want to 1:45:06.000 --> 1:45:08.360 talk about cold. Then you're kind of cold. It's hard 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:11.599 to recover from trying to get soaking wet, windy, sitting 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:14.560 still cold. It's different than the chili getting ready to 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:17.720 walk cold. That's a that's a killer cold, and you 1:45:17.840 --> 1:45:19.559 try to manage it, but you know how it is. 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:21.720 Sometimes you're just you're in a hurry. You're fighting. You know, 1:45:21.760 --> 1:45:23.400 you want to get there before the sun comes up, 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:26.280 and so you're jamming and you're just, yeah, some of 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:28.439 these fights you're not gonna win. These are just things 1:45:28.439 --> 1:45:31.320 you have to learn to deal with. Yeah, there's sometimes 1:45:31.400 --> 1:45:34.000 you're just gonna be a sweaty mess. When I was 1:45:34.000 --> 1:45:36.280 a little kid, my dad pounded it. He was him 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:41.360 was scent control. But like walking so slow out your 1:45:41.400 --> 1:45:43.920 tree stand and put carrying your clothes with you and 1:45:43.960 --> 1:45:46.920 always staying cold, stay in chili, you know, and then 1:45:46.920 --> 1:45:48.760 putting your clothes on because he's always worried about that 1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:51.320 perspiration and deer smelling you. I want to talk about 1:45:51.360 --> 1:45:53.439 full circle and then we started talking about that a 1:45:53.479 --> 1:45:55.439 long time ago. Yeah, I think a lot of guys 1:45:55.439 --> 1:45:57.920 are afraid to be cold. It's okay to be cold 1:45:58.280 --> 1:46:01.280 a little bit. I mean, there is that, like you said, 1:46:01.320 --> 1:46:03.120 after you've done the hike and you're in the wind 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:06.479 and stuff and that kind of full body tremor type 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:09.519 stuff that sucks. But just general cold, you're feep being 1:46:09.560 --> 1:46:11.240 a little cold, your hands being a little cold, there's 1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:13.360 nothing wrong with it. Makes being warm a lot cooler. 1:46:13.479 --> 1:46:17.200 Fee is no fun. We're gonna find out how good 1:46:17.240 --> 1:46:19.000 Yanni is because if he can still come up with 1:46:19.040 --> 1:46:26.559 some original material, see how good he is. You guys 1:46:26.600 --> 1:46:28.920 couldn't see that, but I just cracked my knuckles. Is 1:46:28.960 --> 1:46:31.880 that what that's called a thing where you're like getting 1:46:31.920 --> 1:46:33.960 ready to read what I would have done about you 1:46:34.640 --> 1:46:37.240 into my palms like in the old days when someone's 1:46:37.240 --> 1:46:40.799 gonna use like a sledge hammer. Yeah, spitting your palms 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:44.160 like you're getting ready to work. Yeah, it's not totally original, 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:46.679 but I think I work off of the perspiration thing. 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:49.360 And another thing that actually that same cat hunter that 1:46:49.400 --> 1:46:52.439 you were speaking of, Bruce was doing and he was 1:46:52.640 --> 1:46:55.280 a real stickler on was and we were day hunting. 1:46:55.920 --> 1:46:59.320 But the pets dryers or however you can do it. 1:46:59.400 --> 1:47:02.519 But those boot they hold some moisture from your from 1:47:02.520 --> 1:47:06.200 your feet that sweat dry them out every night. Get 1:47:06.200 --> 1:47:10.559 that moisture completely out. That'll keep your feet warmer. That's 1:47:10.520 --> 1:47:13.519 the best you can do. Get a pizza dryer. What No, 1:47:13.720 --> 1:47:17.000 it's saying, when you're using your boots day in and 1:47:17.080 --> 1:47:20.040 day out, start them off dry, get that moisture out 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:24.040 from the day before. Hit me with another one, Come on, um, 1:47:24.560 --> 1:47:27.080 another one I've heard of. I can't say I've ever done. 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:31.960 He's going into hear, but I believe it. I believe 1:47:32.000 --> 1:47:34.200 it works because it works around the whole having air 1:47:34.360 --> 1:47:37.800 inside your boot and having that zone events of air 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:41.200 insulation is having some sort of an insult. And then 1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:44.000 I've heard that people will actually take like, uh, you 1:47:44.040 --> 1:47:47.000 know the style foam that your ground meat comes in. 1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:50.479 We'll cut that out in the shape of an insult 1:47:50.520 --> 1:47:54.000 and put it underneath their insult to give another layer 1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:57.360 of air between them and the ground. The stuff of 1:47:57.360 --> 1:48:00.240 the state comes up. Yeah you heard of that, John, Yeah, 1:48:00.280 --> 1:48:04.120 that's not bad like that. Yeah I did like that. Yeah. 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:05.760 I can't say I've tried it, but I started throwing 1:48:05.760 --> 1:48:07.639 in a little gonna start throwing in a little meat 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:13.200 packing materials. You're a little kid, your mom would we go? 1:48:13.400 --> 1:48:15.679 I got it, I got it. Okay, I'm just gonna 1:48:15.760 --> 1:48:17.719 keep working down right through the sole of the boot. 1:48:18.080 --> 1:48:20.960 And so if you're standing around and you're getting cold feet, 1:48:21.000 --> 1:48:23.880 and this is a mountaineering trick, you take your butt 1:48:23.880 --> 1:48:25.640 pad and lay it down and stand on it and 1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:31.520 start the cold ground of the cold snow. That'sh walking circles. 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:35.040 I'm serious. If I'm stationary in a glassing spot or 1:48:35.080 --> 1:48:37.559 whatever and you're freezing cold and your feet and your 1:48:37.560 --> 1:48:40.559 feet turned into ice cubes, I'll just walk and walk 1:48:40.600 --> 1:48:43.599 and walking a little circle, high step. I always wondered 1:48:43.600 --> 1:48:47.120 what you were doing. Yeah, I thought was lost. Got 1:48:47.200 --> 1:48:53.000 that game running off that hill again. I'll give you 1:48:53.000 --> 1:48:56.479 another one. When you're sitting there and you're not and 1:48:56.520 --> 1:48:58.160 you're on that glass and tip you know you're not 1:48:58.200 --> 1:49:01.000 gonna go hiking off for a little while, Loosen your 1:49:01.000 --> 1:49:05.400 boots up, don't keep them crazy, leave some room in there. 1:49:05.479 --> 1:49:07.880 I'll give you another one if you really have a 1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:11.800 cold feet problem. They make over boots. M hmm yep. 1:49:13.160 --> 1:49:16.080 And um, we we met a dude. What's that store 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:19.479 in Anchorage Wiggy's. We met a dude was saying like 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:22.040 he had some over boots. You need a separate backpack. 1:49:22.160 --> 1:49:26.760 Came around. You're saying like you like, actually cannot get 1:49:26.800 --> 1:49:30.080 cold with those over boots and mushers, you know, mushers 1:49:30.160 --> 1:49:33.920 use them guys. You know interesting cat. Oh you know 1:49:33.920 --> 1:49:38.120 about the whole deal. He is an interesting dude. You 1:49:38.200 --> 1:49:39.679 know when you're a little kid and your mom would 1:49:39.720 --> 1:49:44.559 um put those bread bags, like line your boot with 1:49:44.600 --> 1:49:48.479 a bread bag to keep waterproof and let's good way 1:49:48.479 --> 1:49:52.720 to get cold plastic bag. Oh yeah, man, like like 1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:55.960 the like the wonder bread sack. I remember, like my 1:49:56.040 --> 1:49:59.320 mom like whenever we had moon boots. My mom's sticking 1:49:59.320 --> 1:50:02.160 at bread bag down in there. I can't remember why. 1:50:02.840 --> 1:50:07.360 It's about being cold once in a while, it's bad. 1:50:07.439 --> 1:50:09.240 I remember learning how to duck up when I was 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:12.200 a kid, you know, probably eight years old or something. Freezing, 1:50:12.320 --> 1:50:15.760 just miserable, you know, and how did you what? What? 1:50:15.760 --> 1:50:21.479 What was the lesson? Get down and shut up? Yeah, 1:50:21.520 --> 1:50:23.559 I'm I'm so worried about you. Keep warm. I am 1:50:23.560 --> 1:50:30.599 about you keep quiet exactly? Are we good? N yeah, 1:50:30.640 --> 1:50:34.040 I mean we can keep going. But we've been at 1:50:34.040 --> 1:50:38.320 it almost two hours. I'm good. We can do some 1:50:38.360 --> 1:50:41.599 closing thoughts. Oh, there you go. Anybody has any there 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:47.680 you go, Phil Man, closer, John. I was prepared for 1:50:47.720 --> 1:50:49.559 you guys to corner us with the hot tips thing, 1:50:49.560 --> 1:50:54.040 because that's listen, don't worry. We're doing a hot tip off, 1:50:54.080 --> 1:50:55.640 and like as soon as we wrap this up, we're 1:50:55.640 --> 1:50:58.200 gonna do We're gonna do too hot tip off. We're 1:50:58.240 --> 1:51:00.360 doing a double hot tip off. Very good, got like 1:51:00.400 --> 1:51:03.439 six so I'm ready to go. Oh nice, you're gonna 1:51:03.479 --> 1:51:07.719 take all my how to keep your food feet warm? Yeah? Yeah, 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:10.280 if you want to. If you're interested in hot tipoffs, 1:51:10.320 --> 1:51:13.160 what hot tip This is my concluding thought, Johnnie, if 1:51:13.200 --> 1:51:15.040 you're interesting with a hot tip off? Is a hot 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.240 tip off is like a bake off, except it's when 1:51:17.280 --> 1:51:21.200 you give hot tips. And if you go to the 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:24.240 meat eat or TV, what's what's the exact handle? I 1:51:24.240 --> 1:51:27.639 don't want to mess it up. Meat Oh, Instagram at 1:51:27.680 --> 1:51:32.080 meter eat at meat or meat Eater or TV on Instagram, 1:51:32.240 --> 1:51:35.840 and there we post hot tip offs where you get 1:51:35.880 --> 1:51:38.080 a room full of people or two people and they 1:51:38.120 --> 1:51:40.320 have a hot tip off contest who's got the hottest 1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:44.840 hunting fish and tip. Very popular hot tipoffs. That's my 1:51:44.880 --> 1:51:49.599 concluder double Concluder. Concluder is by the Meat Eater, Fish 1:51:49.680 --> 1:51:53.479 and Game cookbook, recipes and techniques for every hunter and 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:56.160 angler by it now. It is released and out and 1:51:56.200 --> 1:52:01.400 ready for you. Concluder man. And I hope everybody has 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:05.120 a great Thanksgiving. I'm really excited for Thanksgivings. I don't 1:52:05.160 --> 1:52:08.719 have to spend it alone hunting because this is gonna 1:52:08.760 --> 1:52:11.320 air polish Thanksgiving. So you should say, I hope you 1:52:11.360 --> 1:52:13.880 had a one. I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving 1:52:13.920 --> 1:52:16.760 and still are very full from here. Bountiful meal you 1:52:16.800 --> 1:52:20.639 had with your family. Uh, that's about it. Happy holiday season. 1:52:20.680 --> 1:52:25.120 You can't wait for the Christmas music? Are you sure? Oh? 1:52:25.200 --> 1:52:28.600 I love it. I like that that tune. I like 1:52:28.680 --> 1:52:32.640 that drummer boy tune. Which what's your favorite? You know 1:52:32.680 --> 1:52:36.120 I'm I'm a big sucker for Frank Sinatra. Come on, really, 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:44.760 Oh my god, he's like bathe that man what I'm 1:52:44.760 --> 1:52:46.839 like so little Italian. I don't even like him anymore. 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:49.680 My dad liked him cause he's just enough Italian to like. Oh, 1:52:49.840 --> 1:52:53.640 just like he over sells all that. It's like, come on, 1:52:54.640 --> 1:52:56.840 I'm a d. C. Burman from the Silver jews Man. 1:52:56.880 --> 1:52:59.760 He said, all my favorite singers couldn't sing. That's why 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:02.760 I'm a petty man. Petty anyone that can't sing. I 1:53:02.880 --> 1:53:06.360 like just the grunge, just just getting it out. Just 1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:09.240 let me just get it out. So now you didn't 1:53:09.240 --> 1:53:12.400 write you that stuff. He was an interpreter. Come on, 1:53:16.120 --> 1:53:20.920 Merry Christmas everyone. I try to think of a good 1:53:20.920 --> 1:53:25.960 Sonata tune. Oh there's too many. Well, thanks for having 1:53:25.960 --> 1:53:29.800 me on starts spreading the news. I didn't know I 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:34.160 could sing that good start spreading the news. Oh no, 1:53:34.840 --> 1:53:37.599 hold new career, Phil, you were saying. I was gonna 1:53:37.600 --> 1:53:39.280 say thanks for having me on. I appreciate it was 1:53:39.320 --> 1:53:41.519 fun to do. And yeah, when your new bow shows up, 1:53:41.880 --> 1:53:44.800 hit me up and I'll trick it out, check it out, 1:53:44.840 --> 1:53:49.880 and maybe working, don't you form? Your form is good? 1:53:49.920 --> 1:53:52.599 You were talking about you know, yeah, your shot sequence? 1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:55.599 How you you know, get in your head. I got 1:53:55.600 --> 1:53:57.080 a lot of work I need to do. Man, we 1:53:57.120 --> 1:53:58.840 can get you in your head. So you just made 1:53:58.840 --> 1:54:00.960 a lot of mistakes. And cool old killer with that boner. 1:54:01.040 --> 1:54:02.680 And I made a lot of mistakes this year. I 1:54:02.760 --> 1:54:04.320 got a lot of work I need to do. We'll 1:54:04.360 --> 1:54:09.040 get you, We'll get you hooked up. Thank you, John 1:54:09.160 --> 1:54:12.320 or John Well. I hope everybody has a great holiday 1:54:12.320 --> 1:54:16.040 season as well, and jumps right into predators. Now now 1:54:16.080 --> 1:54:17.960 it's time for that to start picking up. What about 1:54:17.960 --> 1:54:21.439 ice fishing? One of my favorite times a year. Ice 1:54:21.479 --> 1:54:23.400 fish is good too. I don't know, are you hard 1:54:23.400 --> 1:54:26.719 water angler? Oh yeah, really so I'm laying out all winter. 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:31.320 So we drove by one of my favorite bourbon spots 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:33.720 the other day, and the whole thing we're gonna talk 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:38.200 about this is glassed over right now. Yeah, so it's 1:54:38.240 --> 1:54:40.520 only a matter of time before it's safe enough. I 1:54:40.600 --> 1:54:43.160 got me, I got me a brand new fore man eskimo, 1:54:43.800 --> 1:54:45.960 and then I got me a brand new eyeon ardor 1:54:47.320 --> 1:54:48.840 that there being a beat lake when I get down 1:54:48.840 --> 1:54:53.720 with it, ice is gonna be gone. Then drill the 1:54:53.720 --> 1:54:55.320 whole egg and then fish it on a boat. He's 1:54:55.360 --> 1:54:58.000 gonna be out on a floating ice cube. Actually, we 1:54:58.040 --> 1:55:00.240 did just make a resolution, me and my saying, stay, 1:55:00.280 --> 1:55:02.720 we're gonna get a bunch of white fish this winter. 1:55:02.760 --> 1:55:09.360 We're gonna do a bunch of whitefish, cooking fish, mountain 1:55:09.360 --> 1:55:11.280 white fish out of the river, those kind of white 1:55:11.320 --> 1:55:16.840 fish river river whitefish, grateful blue basse, all kinds of stuff. 1:55:16.880 --> 1:55:20.240 So yeah, they'll be fishing. Is that it yet more 1:55:20.760 --> 1:55:22.880 that I've got I've got a bunch of hot shooting tips, 1:55:22.920 --> 1:55:24.680 But it looks like we're not going that give us 1:55:24.720 --> 1:55:28.240 one right now? With the hell all right exposed? When 1:55:28.280 --> 1:55:32.320 did caps on your turrets on your scope, tape, shot tape, 1:55:33.280 --> 1:55:37.000 tape and tape and taping they have no business being there? 1:55:37.440 --> 1:55:43.000 Just when, just when did your elevation to just just 1:55:43.080 --> 1:55:46.440 quit screwing around with this stuff? Now? Aren't there a 1:55:46.480 --> 1:55:49.320 bunch of funny stories about guys hiking with non zero 1:55:49.360 --> 1:55:52.680 stop elevation turrets? You know and oh yeah, I've had 1:55:52.720 --> 1:55:56.640 a half. Oh my goodness, just like sitting away like 1:55:56.880 --> 1:56:00.760 laught and bag right and left where I am the 1:56:00.880 --> 1:56:03.480 best animal your life. Talk about a buzz kill, Oh 1:56:03.520 --> 1:56:08.320 my goodness. By concluding thus, John Edwards, get the cookbook, 1:56:08.400 --> 1:56:12.040 it's insane, I like this. Yeah, yeah, that was. We 1:56:12.080 --> 1:56:14.120 had a super cool event the other night with these 1:56:14.120 --> 1:56:17.160 guys and uh, the cookbooks. Great. I'm gonna try to 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:20.720 read a recipe and put it into work, so that's 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:25.000 kind of mine my thing. Good thanks for having us 1:56:25.040 --> 1:56:27.120 at the place. Man, it was fun. It's a great venue. 1:56:27.120 --> 1:56:30.480 It was a fun event. Yeah. Yeah, Steve, Steve, Steve 1:56:30.560 --> 1:56:32.360 and Yanni both. I mean, you guys rocked the house. 1:56:32.400 --> 1:56:35.360 But I mean how long how long did you meet 1:56:35.400 --> 1:56:38.680 and greet? Three hours? Four there until pretty late. Yeah, 1:56:38.680 --> 1:56:41.640 it went, it went long. But I meant to say, 1:56:41.720 --> 1:56:45.280 like they were people who flew in from most Missouri 1:56:46.040 --> 1:56:48.920 and Jersey to Montana. From Jersey. From Jersey was the 1:56:48.960 --> 1:56:54.160 farthest I think, so I heard Jersey, Oklahoma. Yeah, those 1:56:54.160 --> 1:56:55.920 are the too far one. You know that we ought 1:56:55.920 --> 1:56:58.680 to do John as we should uh do an annual 1:56:58.720 --> 1:57:02.440 holiday party man at SNAs like it. We'd always have 1:57:02.440 --> 1:57:04.080 a reason. We have to worry about making up reasons 1:57:04.080 --> 1:57:08.160 all the time. Just do it normal. And then we 1:57:08.200 --> 1:57:10.520 had this sort of super secret thing down the street 1:57:10.520 --> 1:57:13.080 at a little speakeasy. How did that go? That was 1:57:13.560 --> 1:57:16.920 I've been talking about? Was it all right? The best thing? Oh? Yeah? 1:57:17.200 --> 1:57:19.800 I was like, I feel like I have another regret 1:57:19.840 --> 1:57:23.400 in life now. That was turning down that invite. I 1:57:23.440 --> 1:57:27.680 don't know what I don't know what the rules are here, 1:57:25.040 --> 1:57:34.280 So it was, um My, including thought is you guys 1:57:34.360 --> 1:57:36.840 don't even know about it. Steve does though, But by 1:57:36.840 --> 1:57:40.800 the time this airs, if you have not heard about 1:57:40.920 --> 1:57:44.800 the new how to gut a deer, me eat your bandana, 1:57:44.880 --> 1:57:48.520 you've been living under a rock. And if you haven't 1:57:48.600 --> 1:57:53.760 gotten one yet for a stocking stuffer, you're being naughty. 1:57:54.360 --> 1:57:57.800 Set your set, your new friends, your new hunting buddies up, 1:57:57.920 --> 1:58:00.360 Set your old hunting buddies up. If they really know 1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:01.760 how to go to deer, it'd be like a fun 1:58:01.800 --> 1:58:04.560 guy joke. Tell me, haven't really shot that many things? 1:58:04.600 --> 1:58:06.760 They might need a little refresher. Talk about how you 1:58:06.760 --> 1:58:10.560 came up with the idea. I came up with the idea. 1:58:10.760 --> 1:58:14.360 I think two ideas sort of collided. Um, I was 1:58:14.440 --> 1:58:18.480 packing around a orange bandana that has a bunch of 1:58:18.520 --> 1:58:22.000 like emergency survival tips on it. I just always have 1:58:22.040 --> 1:58:24.400 a bandana in my rear pocket because my nose runs 1:58:24.400 --> 1:58:26.880 and cold weather, no matter how good I'm feeling, and 1:58:26.920 --> 1:58:30.320 I like to keep it clean. Its affiliated or anything. No, no, 1:58:30.360 --> 1:58:33.839 it doesn't. It's not flopping out of my rear pocket. 1:58:34.000 --> 1:58:40.000 My left one, no, tightly tucked away. And um so 1:58:40.040 --> 1:58:44.360 I had that. And then I think Garrett's girlfriend was 1:58:44.400 --> 1:58:49.880 out gutting a deer by herself and referencing pictures on 1:58:49.920 --> 1:58:53.240 her cell phone that she had taken of the Big 1:58:53.280 --> 1:58:57.120 Game guide books. I forgot about that, and so she's 1:58:57.120 --> 1:59:00.800 sitting there in the field cold. It actually was like 1:59:01.080 --> 1:59:02.920 a coal. I think it's two years ago. We had 1:59:02.920 --> 1:59:06.040 like a really cold late November. Yeah, and Dirt was 1:59:06.120 --> 1:59:09.120 hunting with some other dudes somewhere else. That's right. His 1:59:09.200 --> 1:59:11.600 girlfriend's hunting one area and he's offen some whole other 1:59:11.640 --> 1:59:15.720 area hunt with mugs with his buddies. She got a deer. 1:59:16.240 --> 1:59:19.080 So anyways, yeah, those I heard that story, and I 1:59:19.120 --> 1:59:21.000 was looking at this bandana. I was thinking, you know, 1:59:21.840 --> 1:59:23.920 be a good idea to have the instructions on how 1:59:24.000 --> 1:59:26.440 to go to deer on a bandana that also has 1:59:26.480 --> 1:59:30.480 other uses like blowing your nose, tying it onto an 1:59:30.480 --> 1:59:33.520 antler for actually safety when you're packing it out, flagging 1:59:33.560 --> 1:59:35.920 your friend. You and I are always flagging each other, 1:59:36.000 --> 1:59:41.360 especially in Cou's deer country with orange. Yeah, and be like, 1:59:41.480 --> 1:59:45.080 all right, go laught. That's right. Plus fashion fashion, you know, 1:59:45.240 --> 1:59:48.920 make a statement Willie Nelson man about all that dude 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:52.120 got done with a bandana tied around his head. That's right. 1:59:52.160 --> 1:59:54.280 We haven't even mentioned that you could wear it as 1:59:54.320 --> 1:59:59.919 a head dress headpiece. So there you go, by a bandana. 2:00:00.040 --> 2:00:02.040 I like that really song where he's trying to convince 2:00:02.040 --> 2:00:04.000 his lady. He's like, yeah, you know, I run around 2:00:04.040 --> 2:00:06.520 a lot, but I'll always come home to you. That 2:00:06.560 --> 2:00:13.480 doesn't go over well anymore. Thank you for listening. Is 2:00:13.520 --> 2:00:15.000 that all right? If I say it, and I'd never 2:00:15.040 --> 2:00:17.680 get to say that. Yeah, wrapper up, all right, Thank 2:00:17.720 --> 2:00:18.400 you for listening.