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Speaker 1: But I can't take credit for that. You can't know.

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Speaker 1: I think you invented that. The reason I bring it

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Speaker 1: so I feel like you should do some intros. Oh

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Speaker 1: I canna introduce everybody quickly. That's a good idea. That's

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Speaker 1: But as you like to do dealing cards. I'll start

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Speaker 1: Field and Stream a lot of shooting a lot from Balzman.

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Speaker 1: John Edwards, owner of says Balzman as well Mr Stephen

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Speaker 1: Ronella Pete Munich, the sales manager from Stone Glacier. Is

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Speaker 1: that what you do down there? You were a lot

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Speaker 1: paper eight and a half resumes and Philip Larson and

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Speaker 1: I don't know your title at Black Gold Archery that well.

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Speaker 1: me accessorized, though many we can do that. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Now he can't stand listening when he doesn't know who's talking.

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Speaker 1: Very suspenseful. Did you guys other if you guys caught this?

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Speaker 1: This is good. Where so dudes, a dude in Florida's

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Speaker 1: ni fi um rights in and he this is some

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Speaker 1: like one of those things, you know, those situations jam

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, for every dollar I spend as a

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Speaker 1: and his wife stealing the stands and packing them out

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00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: of the woods on public land. Yeah, totally legally placed thing.

426
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: But the real the reason I keep talking about this

427
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: really puts the real burn my saddle. It's like there's

428
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: people in the ski world and stuff who are like applauding,

429
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: applauding him for this, which is public land. Did it legally?

430
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: It was? It was some hardware and the public I

431
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: just I just watched Valley Uprising the other night, and

432
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: this one guy back in the seventies put a bunch

433
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: of bolts in Yosemite, and then this other climber that

434
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: hated him went up the next week and busted every

435
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: piece of hardware off the wall in an effort to

436
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: make a statement that he didn't agree with putting this

437
00:24:54,640 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: hardware into nature. So this seems very similar. Yeah, one

438
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: of the tree sound one we're climbing bolts in yrsemit,

439
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: but I think both legally placed. Yeah, it's like it

440
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: pisces me off, only because some people are acting like

441
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, we even had a guy who like

442
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: just started home. He's like, I understand because hunters leave

443
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: a lot of litter in the woods. Come on, we'll

444
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: go ahead. No, I thought you were gonna finish it.

445
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: Talked about the dollars. Now, how the oh you wanted

446
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: me to explain the whole story, just like I supposed

447
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: to be a slick I know. I thought you were

448
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: gonna tell us a story. So how he ends up

449
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: finding Andrew and putting putting the pieces altogether is that

450
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: they had their dog with them when they were doing this,

451
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: uh forest robbery. And it was a Burmese mountain dog,

452
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: Bernies mountain dog. And he figures it's not that many

453
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: around all sort of cruise the neighborhoods around this trailhead

454
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: that he most likely used and sees his dog pops up.

455
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: So he's cruising down the road. Sure enough, there's a dog,

456
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: a dog and by himself, no leash, no owner. He's like, oh,

457
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: it is fallow this he's mountain dog. He follows it

458
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: down the road a little bit, and he goes right

459
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: up to the front door and opens the door. There's

460
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: Andrew's wife. He's like, I recognize you met trial camera pictures. Yikes. Um, okay,

461
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: another area don't want to talk about. We're talking about

462
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: a guy. Do you Hember what state it was where

463
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: the guy served the kangaroo meet. A lot of feedback

464
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: on So dude that runs a hot lunch program in Nebraska.

465
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: This is a long news segment. Is this the last

466
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: bit of news? No? Yeah, dude, like he runs a

467
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: hot lunch program besides to buy some kangaroo meating like

468
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: cut it in with the beef. Oh god for whatever?

469
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Like whyever? He thought it sounds like a good deal.

470
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: And um, some kids, I believe there's no way this

471
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: is true. Some kids claim what they found out or

472
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: they kids claim to have felt sick from the kangaroo meet.

473
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: Start jumping high, and they the basketball team started kick

474
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: started crushing. Uh and the dude loses his job and

475
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: we were talking about this news bit and we're wondering

476
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: about the kangaroo market and a bunch of Australian guys

477
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: rolled into in particular, rolled in with a lot of

478
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: information about um kangaroo, where kangaroo meat comes from. There

479
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: is no uh, there is no raising. No one raises

480
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: kangaroos for me. When you see kangaroo met on the menu,

481
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: it's all wild shot now. So mug one I picked.

482
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: There's two mugs that rolled in about this, Mug one

483
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: and mug two. Mug one populations from two thousand eleven

484
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: UH in Australia for mackerel pods which are red kangaroos,

485
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: Western gray kangaroos, Eastern gray kangaroos, wallaroos and euros whatever

486
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: the hell that is UM within the commercial harvest areas,

487
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: there's over thirty four million of them, which uh. And

488
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: then in the in the continent at large, fifty million

489
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: macro pods in Australia Australians. Yeah, he says, greatly outnumbering

490
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: the human population. Now, mug too is a commercial shooter. Sweet.

491
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: We know a few kind of pro hunters from Australia.

492
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: To any of them hunt kangaroos, probably not because it's

493
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: highly regulated, like the hunting in Australia is for non

494
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: generally for non natives, right, but this is highly regulated

495
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: industry and this guy goes here. So here's a commercial shooter.

496
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: This is the guy that makes his living shooting kangaroos,

497
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the kangaroos that wind up in the US for meat.

498
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: And he goes out and to say for starters, it's

499
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: not even a popular meat in Australia. However, it's available

500
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: in regular supermarkets for human consumptions and it is a

501
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: staple of pet foods. It's very cheap, very healthy, but

502
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: because it's so lean, are is careful cooking and has

503
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: never been more than a niche product here in Australia.

504
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: He says, all the meat in Australia, kangaroo meat is

505
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: all sourced from wild kangaroos shot by professionals. He says

506
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: that it is probably give the guy the credit. He's saying,

507
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: probably the last industrial scale market hunting in the world.

508
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: They export to many countries, including the US, and he

509
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: has been able to unable to find anyone raising them

510
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: domestically for meat over there or here. So wild kangaroo

511
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: is almost certainly what the kids in Nebraska were eating.

512
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: He says. The industry here has regulated in all states

513
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: with strict kill quotas, licensing of shooters, and carcass handling requirements.

514
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets interesting. Like all the shooting is

515
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: done at night with spotlights, and by law, all animals

516
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: must be killed with a shot to the head from

517
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: a center fire rifle of at least two to two caliber.

518
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Most guys are using a two twenty three. Almost all

519
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: the shooting is done on private land, acquiring the permission

520
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: of the landholder. Generally it's farmland where kangaroos are doing

521
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: crop damage. Most shooters work alone in a single four

522
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: wheel drive vehicle, using a roof mounted spotlight and a

523
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: shooting rest mounted on the truck door. You shoot from

524
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: a seated position. You shoot him, you feel dressing, You

525
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: hang him in the back of the truck, and then

526
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: you drop drop off at a chilled processing plant at

527
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: the end of the night. He normally takes around thirty

528
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: per night, each weighing fifty to one pounds. He says, interestingly,

529
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: almost all kangaroos shot commercially are males, and the major

530
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: processors will only accept male carcasses. It's not legal, it's

531
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: just done for pr reasons because the females are almost

532
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: always pregnant. Almost always have a baby in the pouch.

533
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: The shooter is legally required to he mainly kill the joey.

534
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: When he does shoot a female, he goes into details

535
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: about how they get this done, which I'll not share.

536
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: I'll share it over last I don't drink or so

537
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: I'll share it over a glass water. But it doesn't

538
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: look good for the industry. He has not found any

539
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: evidence of changes to population dynamics due to the sex

540
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: sex specific harvest. How would it not. You're only killing

541
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: males if you're not shooting females normal, there's still fifty

542
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: million of them um. Out of that population, fifty million

543
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: they're harvesting right now, about five to seven million annually.

544
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: He also says he goes down to say this. In

545
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: addition to the commercial harvests, kangaroos can be shot privately

546
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: to mitigate agricultural damage by landowners and recreational shooters with

547
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: landowner permissions. Laws very state to state, with some states

548
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: requiring a landowner to apply for tags and they allow

549
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: the use of the carcass. However, in my home state

550
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: it is open season. There's there's no season, no baggling,

551
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: no weapons restrictions, which sounds amazing, but unfortunately it is

552
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: ill legal to keep the carcasses or to use any

553
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: of the meat, even for personal consumption, meaning you can

554
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: shoot him, can't eat them, which I don't even get.

555
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: He says. As a result of this, and from our

556
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: extremely restrictive firearm laws, we have no culture of recreational

557
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: kangaroo hunting. He also goes on and stay this about Australia,

558
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: He says, we should be seen as a cautionary tale

559
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: for the rest of the world, In particularly the USA,

560
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: we have a vast amount of wilderness w A where

561
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: he is is larger than Alaska and Texas combined, huge

562
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: areas of undeveloped public land, but no legal recreational hunting

563
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: allowed on any of it. Even on private land, hunting

564
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: is extremely restricted, limited to a few feral species, and

565
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: our restrictions on firearm access make this even inaccessible to

566
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: most people. Um, that's what he's got to say about

567
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: all that sad story. Now mug number two and this

568
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: thing with talking about some loosening of restrictions where now

569
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: a land arm with a problem can designate shooters and

570
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: he's going out this weekend and you can designate shooters

571
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: and they lose some restrictions on using the meat, and

572
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: he's going out this weekend. They're hoping to put ten

573
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: in the freezer. He says. This is great news for

574
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: those of us living in New South Wales. Um. He

575
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: says he likes to uh, the tails can be used

576
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: as you would oxtail. They like the backstraps and the

577
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: tender loins, and they like to mince the hind legs

578
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: and cutting some beef fat for burgers at cetera. Anyone

579
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: got anything to say about that. That's a deep dive

580
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: right there. Boys on kangaroo hunting. I'll be not returning

581
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: to that subject anytime soon. What is he comparable to?

582
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: Stringy ass meat? Like like stringy antelope meat. I guess

583
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: I remember like you when I got I had some

584
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: kangaroo back. I had some kangaroo like little t bones.

585
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: What's the call where you got like a rib? What

586
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: do they call that? Beef cutting up? Chop? Yeah, chop

587
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: cut the whole thing and they get that part of

588
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: the little hand. Yeah. Well, we used to have a bones.

589
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: We used to have a band's on. We'd cut deer

590
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: an analytope that way, like little chops. Um, it was

591
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: like eating that, but you needed to go flosh your

592
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: teeth and you got done. I had no idea. There

593
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: are so many different types of kangaroos, don't either nam.

594
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: We get a lot of We had a lot of

595
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: emails from guys in Australia because it's not like a

596
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: robust there's a lot of hunters, but it's not a

597
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: sort of a culture and information, you know, it's not

598
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: like like a conversation around hunting as much as what

599
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: a lot of them point out. So they're kind of

600
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: like they like we hear from Australians who like that

601
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: would be there's this thing that that that's accessible to

602
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: them where people are talking about all this stuff, right,

603
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: get a lot of notes from them. So you're saying

604
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: there's parts of Australia where they can shoot them but

605
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: they can't touch them. I'd always heard that. He says

606
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: they're losing those restrictions up and it's part of broader

607
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: stuff because the same thing is like in Australia you

608
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: have all these non natives, right, and and there's some

609
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: guys that do some amount of hunting. There's a lot

610
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: of people like we would love to go do some honey.

611
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: Can you loosen the restrictions. And the girl was like, no,

612
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: we'd rather pay people to shoot him out of helicopters

613
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: and leave him to rot rather than let you redneck

614
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: hicks go out and and shoot him. We'd rather like

615
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: cripple them up from a helicopter and let him die

616
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: a slow death. And you know, and then, like I said,

617
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: they got these really draconian gun laws there which make

618
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: it like extremely difficult. So but there's like a I

619
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: think there's a growing population of bow hunters just to

620
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: get around the you know, just the weapons deal. Um

621
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: everybody good on app opens a whole can of worms

622
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: about gun rights. That's what he says about the cautionary tale.

623
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of cautionary tales, Yani, can I hit one more? Sure?

624
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: We're only half an hour in. This isn't even news one.

625
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: A couple of questions came in. Guy was and like,

626
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, hunters will like you shoot a buck right,

627
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: and you get talking about, oh, you know, the North

628
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: American model of wildlife conservation and fueling and feeding my

629
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: family and all the great stuff we do for wildlife.

630
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: This guy says, Okay, I know all this, how great

631
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: it is that you all hunt and how great it

632
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: is that the animals are there and they're giving their

633
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: lives for you, and how happy the animals should be

634
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: about all this whole system you guys have created. He says,

635
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: a picture that we're in a Cormack McCarthy has post

636
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: modern dystopia. Cannibals out looking for sustenance to survive, right,

637
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: just like you. And you're shooting your bucks and these

638
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: cannibals come up and they kill you and your family

639
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: and eat you. Uh, do you feel real honored about

640
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: having continued the lives of your fellow humans? Jeez, that's

641
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: a good question. I would be bombed. I don't think

642
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: it's be bummed. Do we ever say that, Um, the

643
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: animals somehow is feeling honored itself? No, but I was

644
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: talking to an animal rights philosopher. Um, he's in the

645
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: documentary will be available soon. But the animal rights philosopher

646
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: is like, you get like hunters, like talk all this

647
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: talk about this honorific right, this honorific relationship with the animals,

648
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: And the animal doesn't care about your motivations. You're causing

649
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: it pain and killing it. It's just all in your

650
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: own head to make you feel better about something. That's awful.

651
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: And don't act like you're doing something with or for

652
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: this creature. You're just hurting it and killing it and

653
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: that's all it knows. But the animal probably does prefer

654
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: the advanced or improved habitat that it calls home thanks

655
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: to hundred dollars, or it does good job, that's slick,

656
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: you can. Yeah, there's I mean, there's other things besides

657
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: just getting shot in the chest. I mean, you've lived

658
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: your whole life in this in this fantastic habitat that

659
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: maybe was mildly influenced by man, and maybe you appreciate

660
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: most of that. And yeah, at the end of the day,

661
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: you got shot in Nate by farmer John. But well,

662
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know what's coming. I mean it's rough

663
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: out there for for critters, you know, I mean at night,

664
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: they got to try to stay alive. Yeah, I mean,

665
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: what's the alternative, you know, be eaten alive by a prey,

666
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: by a predator, a coyote, eat your hind quarter off.

667
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna leave it to you.

668
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: Gu's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, the the ratio,

669
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: like the percentages of violent death are extraordinary. Look, there's

670
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: no death. There's no death in the natural world that's

671
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: a pleasant death for these animals. It's exposure, it's starvation,

672
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: it's disease, it's getting torn asunder by a predator, you know,

673
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: in a sense, you know, on that scale, what a

674
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: hunter does is the most merciful of all of them.

675
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: But the problem I have with that philosopher's question is

676
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: that he's talking about the individual and really, when we

677
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: look at this, we're not dealing with an individual animal.

678
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: We're dealing with the ecosystem, you know, and are you know,

679
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the saving grace of what hunters are doing is we're

680
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: preserving and maintaining an ecosystem and and within that, yeah,

681
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: we're killing individual animals, but they're not discrete individuals the

682
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: way people are. So I don't think that the analogy

683
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: holds up with that. I think I think their philosophy

684
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: is that it's anthropomorphism, right. They believe that an individual

685
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: animal sort of has some sort of feelings. Yeah, that

686
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing I always try to focus on top

687
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: about when I come up with questions like that, which

688
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: are totally fair questions, but I always point out like

689
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: like hunters tend to be like like like hunters who

690
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: are involved in the conservation movement tend to be focused

691
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: on like dearness, sort of like the entire package of

692
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: like the dear population in general, right, and not so

693
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: focused on an individual. I was having like a little

694
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: Instagram battle today, brief Instagram battle day with the animal

695
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: rights guy who has pissed at Yanni for having killed

696
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: a bull, and I was pointing out and I was

697
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: pointing out to him that in the early DS this

698
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: state had five thousand elk. Today this state has hundred

699
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: fifty thousand elk. That's hunters did that. So if you

700
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: want to have a who does more for a wildlife contests,

701
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, this guy some kind

702
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: of sound mixer or something, he's like the Internet troll

703
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: slash sound mixer. Like, if you want to have a

704
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: who does most for wildlife tournament between you and the eagle,

705
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: the Eagle's gonna smoke you. I was telling him, Um,

706
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, I am a little fascinated by this Cormick

707
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: McCarthy kind of world though, where it's regulated cannibal listen,

708
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, are they getting licenses? Do they

709
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: have to work? You want to see a good segue

710
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: then I got only one more thing, um uh no,

711
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: two more things. Sorry, good song recommendation. We did a

712
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: show recommendation which is Tales from the Tour Bus. There's

713
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: a song right now I've been listening to a fair

714
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: bit by a band called The Quiet Hollers. It's called

715
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: mont Blanc and it's I like it because it's it's

716
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: McCarthy esk. It's a dude who you gather is living

717
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: in a post apocalyptic situation. Okay, when you listen to it,

718
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: you keep hearing him say shet, I shed a tear

719
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: for the books I should have read. And I thought,

720
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: without paying attention, I thought was like a guy who

721
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: is bummed out that he didn't pay more attention in school.

722
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: But he's a dude living in a post apocalyptic scenario

723
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: trying to keep his family alive. Once you listen closely

724
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: to the lyrics, and what he's saying is when he says,

725
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: I shed a tear for the books I could should

726
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: have read, he's wishing he had been studying up on

727
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: the kind of ship we tend to talk about here

728
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: on this digital radio program. That's what he's lamented. But

729
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: now here he is in his situation he doesn't know

730
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: how to function and operate. Um, it's not an upbeat tune.

731
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: And the often and he goes and then the bomb,

732
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: but you can't tell what he's saying. I had to

733
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: go look it up online. He's talking about his life,

734
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, you should have been paying

735
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: more attention. But he was snuggled with his old lady

736
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, and then the bomb, and then he

737
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: gets into like what life's like after the bomb and

738
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: how he sheds a tear for the books he should

739
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: have read. Okay, guy wrote in to ask this, he

740
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: needs to UM, I don't want to ask him any

741
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: questions here. He he wants to shoot a deer, but

742
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: when he does it, he needs it to fall down

743
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: immediately and not jump a fence. He's gonna be shooting

744
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: from twenty yards. He owns a remington. He's thinking that

745
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: that's the way he's gonna do this, and he goes.

746
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I have heard to use slug high shoulder and also

747
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: number nine pellets. Any assistance greatly appreciated. Yikes, I've got

748
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: some thoughts. Yeah, I have to give the thoughts. I'm

749
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna start by saying, usually when you're in a situation

750
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: where you're like, right where you need to tee it

751
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: up preemptively avoid. Yeah, where you're kind of like, I'm

752
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: in a dicey situation. But let's just never mind. I

753
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: trust that you've got this all sorted out and you

754
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: know what you got yourself into. Then I'll let the ill.

755
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: Let the experts speak on that one Bert quail shot

756
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: or a slug Well, definitely not in the quail shot,

757
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: and I've personally never used it, but I haven't heard

758
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people have great success, probably especially at

759
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: close range like that with buckshot to the head, but

760
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: not number nine bird shot, which is illegal anyway. I

761
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: know what state he's in, and it's illegal in your state. Well,

762
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: so different states have different laws about your critter jumping

763
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: a fence and crossing the line and whether you can

764
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: or cannot retrieve that animal what that looks like. Montana

765
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: has their own unique definition of that law, but depending

766
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: on what state he's in, could depend could decide what

767
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: weapons should be using. Well, at twenty yards, if he

768
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: goes with buckshot, he'd be very safe. There's that federal um.

769
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: It's an lie load that has a type of wadding

770
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: in it that helps keep that together. Even with a

771
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: regular buckshot at twenty yard, the pattern is going to

772
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: be tighter than your fist, and so you're going you're

773
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: going head or chest with that. I would, I would

774
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: go neck, I go right yeah, with with that buckshot absolutely, absolutely,

775
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: the problem that the head. You know, the head shot

776
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: works great, but the vitals are so small, and if

777
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: you mess up, you have just done the most horrific

778
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: thing doing it, then your neighbor is gonna be a

779
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: real treat. Oh. I mean, then you've got zombie deer

780
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: with no lower jar. I mean it's just well, no,

781
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if it's between we were talking about buckshot buckshot,

782
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: you find it slug and be fine too. Trust me,

783
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to get hippie by either one.

784
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: But but bucks out at that range will be tighter

785
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: than your fist. How about bird shot, No, it's just

786
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: too small. I don't want to give his state away,

787
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: but in his state bird shots illegal. I can't imagine

788
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: bird shot being legal anyway anywhere. So, John, if you

789
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: had to pick one though twenty yards, is there gonna

790
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: be neck, buckshot or high shoulder? I would, I would,

791
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: I would go I would go neck buckshot that there's

792
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: not moving. I'd like to think he needs the fall

793
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: real fast because he doesn't want to drag it far,

794
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: rather than that he's in some kind of weird neighborly

795
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: situation that changes everything. My take, my take, and and

796
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: this is just me not really even know what I'm

797
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: talking about. I would feel if I hadn't just consulted

798
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: with with John Snow, I would feel that the slug

799
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: high shoulder because then you're shooting at a pie plate. Yeah,

800
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about just anchoring at the base, the base

801
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: of the neck. I'm not talking center neck. I'm talking

802
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: base neck, which is kind of that high shoulder area too.

803
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: But I think I could be wrong on this, But like,

804
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: there are guys like in Minneapolis who are doing the

805
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: deer control there and I think they're using slugs, but

806
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: they're doing that high neckstra because they don't want anything

807
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: to run around h and uh, you know, because they're

808
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: doing them in parks like where people are walking through

809
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: at night and stuff. So we have a body that

810
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: does that for a living, and they do head neck

811
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: with the two M damn. They shoot for airports, they

812
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: shoot for municipalities facing away he said, right, that was

813
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: that was that he likes it to be facing the

814
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: other direction. It gives you a lot more target area

815
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: usable target area that way. And he thought about the

816
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: kind of shooting where you're looking at a couple of

817
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: people watching TV in the in the in the window

818
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: of the front window of a house and you're shooting

819
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: deer in their yard like that kind of like very

820
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: tightly controlled or like high what what's what am I

821
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: trying to say? Surgical? I have a slightly mccomb's story

822
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: about this where this was in Minneapolis where a friend

823
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: of mine got invited on one of these calls and

824
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: he didn't in the moment, he forgot about the shot

825
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: placement and he put it through the rib cage like

826
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: normal style. And so this was a snowy park god,

827
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: and actually it connected to a cemetery in the deer

828
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: of course, shot through both sides, hosen everywhere ys seventy

829
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: yards on on tombstones, on the whole thing, he said.

830
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: He said, they spent hours trying to clean this up

831
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: and sanitize. This is my last one. That yeah, and

832
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: you got a bunch, right, yeah, Okay, I want to

833
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: hit one more because that's what I kind of understand.

834
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: The guy wrote in and he's saying, we've talked about

835
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: back steelers, we talked about chamber seilers. You guys are

836
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: clear what we're talking about. You know what chamber seiler is, Uh,

837
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: is that where it goes into like the tub and

838
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: you close the door on the top of Yeah, I

839
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: have one. So I have like a western um vaccinither

840
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: this non chamber, right, and you that's that's where everybody has. Right.

841
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: You open thing up, lay the bag over the lip,

842
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: the bags laying out on the counter. Zapp it a

843
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: chamber seiler. Um. It goes into a vacuum chamber. And

844
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: I knows you don't need the bag. You don't. The

845
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: bags are cheaper because there you don't need a bag

846
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: that allows the one way flow. You don't need a

847
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: vented bag, right, because when you're pulling, if you picture

848
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: a normal seiler when it's expunging air, right, it can

849
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: it can pass through like a like a like a

850
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: like a one way pass through the vented bag on

851
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: a chamber ceiler of the whole chambers back. So you

852
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: just use a regular heavy duty bag and the bags

853
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: are cheaper. Um. He goes on to say, I would

854
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: like some input and clarification on what's the best. Then

855
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: he says that here's what initiated his problem. He thought

856
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: some rabbits. He had some rabbit stock. I like this

857
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: guy immensely. He had some rabbit stock in his deep

858
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: freeze in half gallon jars. He over filled him and

859
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: noticed today that three of the jars cracked in the freezer.

860
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I that's a legit problem, man, like, because i'll freeze stock,

861
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: I'll pressure steal it where I can just go into

862
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: your counter or into your cupboard or pantry, but also

863
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: sometimes freeze stock. And yeah, man, you can't fill the

864
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: jar all the way up. You gotta leave a lot

865
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: of headspace on that thing when you freeze it. So

866
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: that's one thing. When he goes on to top about

867
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: chamber ceiling liquids, I don't see any reason. I'm not

868
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: a physicist. I don't see any reason why you would

869
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: ever need to vacuum seal liquid because a liquid isn't

870
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: like compressible, right, Yeah, like what in liquids don't freezer

871
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: burn when you vacuum seal an elk steak, Though the

872
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: goal is not to compress the elk steak it's to

873
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: take all the air away around the oak steak, right,

874
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: So that would be the same goal with the liquord.

875
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: Just get all let's get the guy the benefit of

876
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: the doubt. Maybe he's trying to figure out a way

877
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: to more efficiently stack stuff in his freezer, like you know,

878
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: I'll sometimes do that with like different kinds of sauces.

879
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: But you can't vact seal chamber s either or not

880
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: when you put into like I have a I have

881
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: a big Western chamber seiler at my fish shack, and

882
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: that thing kicks ass all day long. Um, But you

883
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: can't lay a bag of liquid down in there because

884
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: when you pull the vacuum on it, all that liquid.

885
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: Even if you're doing a piece of fish with a

886
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: small amount of liquid, the liquid gets pulled out and

887
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: you gotta roll up a piece of paper towel and

888
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: like lay it down in there to keep the liquid

889
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: from pulling out and ruining the seal. If you put

890
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: a bag of stock in a vacuum steeler, all it's

891
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: gonna have you have an empty bag and you're gonna

892
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: have a vacuum steeler that holds stock gons and it's

893
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: simper to tause ziplock freezer bag filled with the liquid

894
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: and just kind of squeeze the air out as you

895
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: seal it. Well, the real answer, and my that's great,

896
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: is not use glass too freezing plastic and if you're

897
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: a plastic, fold freezing glass, but don't overfill. But then

898
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: he goes down to this other question where he was

899
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: one of about chambers versus regular I wish I knew

900
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: like the opposite a chamber non chamber and chamber. He's saying,

901
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: do chamber steelers do better on cuts with potential sharp

902
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: bones such as shanks? Um? Now that question there is

903
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: interesting question because when you're doing if you use shitty

904
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: vacuum sealed bags and your vac ceiling salmon, and you

905
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: don't pull the pin bones first, you can get your

906
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: your bag can be perforated from the pinbones. Or if

907
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: you're making if you like pre caught your asabuco where

908
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: you pre caught your shanks and you've got little burs

909
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: on the bone, and then you go to vac seal

910
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: with shitty bags, the shitty bags are more likely to

911
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: get perforated by the corner of the bone um, which

912
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: that leads to problems. So for that because chamber seitos.

913
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: You can use a heavier gauge bag. You can buy

914
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 1: that really heavy gauge bags. I would go and say, sure,

915
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: but don't buy bad bags. Usered. That though is remember

916
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: what they did down at um Quality Meats. I forget

917
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: the name of Divine Meat Company Yea and Divine Meat

918
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: Company Clayton Saunders. They had a chamber seiler that we

919
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: did all of our hog in and they just had

920
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: little pieces of sort of like robust plastic. Remember that

921
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: they would basically put on the tips of the ribs

922
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: and the sharp peg man was it like was it

923
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: made for that? I don't know. So they would essentially

924
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: pre wrap the part that could poke through the bag

925
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: with heavier duty, just slip it in there and kind

926
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: of set it right on the sharp edge. It would

927
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: keep it from pope. Yeah, totally forgot about that. You're right,

928
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: they would on their bone and cuts. They would pad

929
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: it up. But he was chamber ceiling too, with some

930
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: nice heavy duty bags, potentially heavy duty bags. It sounds

931
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: like all of you guys is discussion about vacuum ceiling

932
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: all comes down to the bag. It's like a good bag,

933
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: just good, the best bag you can, because if you don't,

934
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: you're just gonna run to me. I used to have

935
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: so many more problems with him, but I have a

936
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: lot less problems now, um and out, but also things

937
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: that handle them differently. When your bags get broken. I

938
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: used to being there, like stern ship up in my freezer,

939
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, looking for something. And he goes on to

940
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: have one more question. Um, he's saying, on a chamber seiler,

941
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: do you still have to let it cool like during

942
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: heavy youth? Yep, you still gotta let it cool off now?

943
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: And then um, I have that. Uh. The main one

944
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: I run is that west Pro, which is like a beast,

945
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can burn it. You can burn it

946
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: out too hot. If you're just going on and going

947
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: on and going on it you gotta just let it

948
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: chill out now and then you just I just use

949
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: I just put my hand out and I can tell

950
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: it's too hot. He's the food saver vacuum seiler, and

951
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: it just it cuts you off. It turns itself off.

952
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: That's a real machine there. Oh yeah, some critters through

953
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: that one. It just turns itself off. It does when

954
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: it gets hot. Oh yeah, it's probably smart self. Oh

955
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: yeh what do you got? I got a bunch of

956
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: more on the same along the same lines. Um, I

957
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: think it a name with this one, but he didn't

958
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: put in the names. Tell their names they want. But

959
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: Pete from Bosman might be excited when we say Pete

960
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: from Bozeman asked, right, I got some questions for boys. Um,

961
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: he's saying he's noticing that in a lot of the recipes,

962
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: the pictures, in the books, uh, in the in the

963
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: meat in the videos, he's saying that the meat always

964
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: appears to be real fresh. Well, that's because we don't

965
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: actually kill any of that stuff. We're just go and

966
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: buy it at the grocery store. No, I'm I'm kidding there.

967
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: But he was saying that. He's saying for like, um,

968
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: he ran into the problem with Asabuco that he went

969
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: and ages me and then he wanted to use his shank,

970
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: but it had like a rind on it, and the

971
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: pictures and the videos he saw us doing Asabuco, the

972
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: shank didn't have this like hard rind on it. So

973
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: he's saying, like, how do I get around around that?

974
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: Should I trim the rind? Should I not age it?

975
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: Do I treat different cuts differently. I'd say it depends

976
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: on how heavy. Dude, you're asking me, anybody all of you,

977
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: why is he why is he aging it to begin with?

978
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're making osabuco out of shank, well, yeah,

979
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he just didn't know. No, Yeah, that's what

980
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm thinking too, is that it's gonna be slow and

981
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: low anyways, and so you don't you don't need to

982
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: need to be aged. But his ageing the whole damn deer. Yeah,

983
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna like age some and not age rest.

984
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: The age is the whole damn deer. And this is

985
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: for quartered out, so you don't have the protection of

986
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: the hide. Yeah. I think unless you like wrap it

987
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: in plastic, the ryand is completely unavoidable. Yeah. So what

988
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: would you do with the ryan then? If you're gonna askabuco,

989
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: I think you gotta carve it off. What if you

990
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: just cook it so it's still gonna I don't know.

991
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I guess I've never cooked one with the rind on

992
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: it a shank. I mean, I I would tend to

993
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: not let that age too long. I like age and

994
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: the rest of it, But you try picking that stuff

995
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: off the shanks. It's just a by the time you

996
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: get it all off way. Uh you want to know

997
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: a hot tip not related to this, dude, you ever

998
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: knows what you hang. If you're aging a deer, you

999
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: hang up a deer that the tenderlins are so small

1000
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: on a deer that if you like age it for

1001
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: a week, they get dried out where they're like damn,

1002
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of gone, like it's all rind our body.

1003
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: Steve Kendrott takes a piece of plastic wrap and when

1004
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: he's hanging the deer, he just paste a piece of

1005
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: plastic wrap over the tenderloins and then they don't Then

1006
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: they don't get the problem that this boy is talking about.

1007
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: Uh my take in terms of the shanks, you're cooking.

1008
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: The sun's a bitches so long that you're turning tendons

1009
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: into gelatin. I don't think in the end chance, but

1010
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: in a rind the sense. Yeah, like when you've aged

1011
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: something good, like you pull the backstrap off on a

1012
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: thing where it's been aged. Uh yeah, I'm cutting that

1013
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: stuff away. But on that preparation, it had to be

1014
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: a pretty healthy, like a big thig moldy rind I

1015
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: would cut off. But like any normal rind that I

1016
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: have encountered in my life, I feel like it's gonna succumb.

1017
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna succumb to the to the cooking,

1018
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: to right the because I can't think of ever because

1019
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: there you're dealing with such a small thing. Anyway, Like

1020
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: the more you start fiddle farting around trim and stuff off,

1021
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: you kind of are getting rid of the whole point.

1022
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: Like the beauty of the thing is you wind up

1023
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: with a bone that could go and do a museum.

1024
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting it, like every last usable scrap

1025
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: off that thing, and that's kind of like what makes

1026
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 1: that dish cool. So I would have a hard time

1027
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: trimming parts of it off because then you're kind of

1028
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: like you're the gate and the main point. So our

1029
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: answer is if you're gonna hang it for a while,

1030
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: it takes some span wrap and wrap your shanks, or

1031
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: cut the shanks off and get them in the freezer

1032
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: immediately and do a Steve Kendrott on the tender loins,

1033
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: sorry John, or just ignored it. You're saying, just ignore it,

1034
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: Just cook it with the rind. Any normal rind, I'll thick.

1035
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: I wish I knew how to describe stuff in mills. Okay,

1036
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: if you had a rind, I would say most rhinds

1037
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: are about as stick as if you cut a, for instance,

1038
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: a paper coffee cup, if you went down to the

1039
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: local coffee shop and got a coffee cup. A normal

1040
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: ryan is about like that paper. Yeah, I think that's

1041
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: on the light end. The actual rhynd, yeah, I would

1042
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: agree with that. There's like a purplely transition into the

1043
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: meat after that. But the actual rhynd that you have

1044
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: to carve away it is probably about the size of

1045
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: and I've seen some leathery ass rhymes. Yeah, that's what

1046
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like your average deer skin. That's

1047
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: how much you're gonna end up carving off, you know.

1048
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: So it just depends, man, if you you know what,

1049
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's hard for me to picture trimming

1050
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: that thing off. That's the last word I got to

1051
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: say about it. I'm with you, all right. Uh, here's

1052
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: another one. Everyone's gonna have a tip for this guy patting,

1053
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: So keep it to one because I know everybody's got

1054
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: one for this. He hunts by himself off and he's

1055
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: often not going into areas and not going deep because

1056
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: in our tree season, he's worried he's gonna kill something

1057
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: and not you only get the meat out before it

1058
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: spoils like this guy. So what tips tricks do you

1059
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: guys have to get the meat out faster or keep

1060
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: it cool longer? And as a general rule, how much

1061
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: time do you feel you have before the meat starts

1062
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: to spoil? M a lot of variables able to read it?

1063
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Read it again? What tips tricks do you guys have

1064
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: to try to get the meat out faster or keep

1065
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: it cool longer? And there's a general rule how much

1066
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: time do you feel you have before the meat starts

1067
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: to spoil? Or we got a limit to like a

1068
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: simple trick. We're gonna assume he's hunting elk, yeah, because

1069
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: he's worried about getting it all out because yeah, if

1070
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: it was a deer, he'd packing shot. So it's something

1071
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: bigger than a single trip maybe, or who knows a

1072
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna want to carry a hold deer. Okay,

1073
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: you killed big white tail buck hunter eighty pounds, you're

1074
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna strip it down, but you know a lot of

1075
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,959
Speaker 1: people aren't gonna do that. No, that's a heavy load.

1076
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: Some old dude retired. I don't think he can. We

1077
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: can really answer the general rule on how much time

1078
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: do you think you have? Well, I okay, because there's

1079
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: just too many variables. But we can say at fifty

1080
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: degrees and sure, I'll give you a number. I'll say

1081
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: this longer than you think, if the proper steps are

1082
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: taken longer. It's amazing how durable that stuff is if

1083
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: the proper steps are taken. That's amazing. The temperature difference

1084
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: between a sun filled meadow and early September and a dark,

1085
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: shady patch of timber with a creek flowing through it.

1086
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be your tip for patting? Well, I'm

1087
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: just I'm just getting into this, but yeah, no, you

1088
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: only you only get one tip or tree. Okay. My

1089
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: tip is work, work quick, and get that ship in

1090
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: the timber north face and slow. Yeah, hang it up,

1091
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: good airflow. It just worked quick because yeah, I've killed

1092
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: elk on hot September days before, and it is stick

1093
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: your hands inside that animal and it's a hundred plus

1094
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: degrees and you pull your hands out and it's nine

1095
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 1: plus degrees outside. The clock is ticking, and so yeah,

1096
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: we're just working quick. Think about taking a nap, cold

1097
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: ass day and you're trying to take a nap down

1098
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: the timber, you gotta go up into a sunny medal.

1099
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: Or conversely, you're trying to take a nap up in

1100
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: a sunny meadow and you can't no wait, and then

1101
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: you go down. You gotta adda layer to take a

1102
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: nap down below. Big differ. That's by moving fifty yards

1103
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 1: Nature's refrigerator. Phil I would say, definitely get the hide off,

1104
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: and if you're super worried about it, uh, get the

1105
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: bones out. You know, you get more air flow circulation

1106
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: in into the big cuts of meat, like let's say

1107
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: it's an elk, you know, taking that hind quarter and

1108
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: getting it to where that bone is out of there,

1109
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: and also taking the hide off that mountain goat I

1110
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: killed last year. We left the last hind quarter in

1111
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: the hide. I did, huh full body mountain. I was like, oh,

1112
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: it's in the hide. I'm just gonna leave it in

1113
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: the hide and pack the rest to this out. And

1114
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: we got out and that hind quarter was still warm

1115
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: from being insulated from that hide from that fur. So

1116
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: hide off if you're really worried about it. Bone out

1117
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: Steve ano. Um, that was my tip that you I'm

1118
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: answering the part of this thing, like how long can

1119
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: you how long can you put it off? You can

1120
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: put it off a long time if you get the

1121
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: body heat out and you keep it in the shade,

1122
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: up in the breeze, not wrapped up in garbage bags.

1123
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Um longer than you think, to the point where you're

1124
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of surprised. We were days. Yeah, the thing that

1125
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: I was returning to man, we we we we were

1126
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: hunting doll sheep once in Alaska, and it was no joke.

1127
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: There were so many fires. There was still fire season.

1128
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: There's so many fires going on that it was obstructing

1129
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: our glassing like that kind of weather and unseasonably hot

1130
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: in the eighties every day, and we kept We killed

1131
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: two sheep the first one we killed. I think we

1132
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: had we carried it around us for seven days by

1133
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: being very judicious about how we were taking care of it,

1134
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: what we were doing with that night. We'd even chisel

1135
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: a hole down in a glacier and get a good

1136
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: chill on it like that. But it's moving it along

1137
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: and always trying to decide what best to do, hanging

1138
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: it by the creek, keeping it in the shade during

1139
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: the daytime, getting it out at night, letting it cool,

1140
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: and it was I kind of came away with that

1141
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: with like a real appreciation for if you're properly, if

1142
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: you're properly equipped and paying attention, that you can do

1143
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: some pretty miraculous stuff without having meat spoil. And I've

1144
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: also had experiences, particularly I first got involved in Western hunting,

1145
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: I had some experiences where I was shocked at how badly,

1146
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: how quickly something could go south, how just stunning lee

1147
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: fast you could spoil something by not I didn't ride

1148
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: around the back of your pick up, not deal with

1149
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: the body heat well, even in the body, even in

1150
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: the field, especially with elk, you know, I I see

1151
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: it all the time in rifle season. It's a cold day,

1152
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: there's snow on the ground, and guys will wait, you know,

1153
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: to field dress their their their elk, and and that

1154
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: that elk meat goes goes bad so fast it's unbelievable.

1155
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: If you even in the snow, if you don't get

1156
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: the neck opened up and get the esophagus out, get

1157
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: it get a breathing, you know that you'll you'll lose

1158
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: meat even when it's cold. He said things Laner six

1159
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: hundred pounds. It's like to get down to the core

1160
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: of it's what eighteen inches deep. It's a heat factory,

1161
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that thing's hundred three degrees internal body

1162
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 1: temperature or whatever. Here's a question for you, Steve. Have

1163
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: you ever put meat in the creek? You know what?

1164
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: Can take a quarter and put it in the crip.

1165
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: I had a question from a guy like that. And

1166
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: on that same trip I'm talking about, we had some

1167
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: contractor bags and we were putting meat, putting sheet meat

1168
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: in contractor bags and putting it down in a creek

1169
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: to cool it off underwater. The problem is dry bags,

1170
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: contractor bags, all this stuff is like pretty waterproof, but

1171
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: you submerge, you put it underwater. I don't know how

1172
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: it happens. The seams, I don't know what it is.

1173
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: Even like a brand spikty new contractor bag. Somehow you

1174
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: open it up, like, I don't know how it happened.

1175
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: There's a quart of water landing about that damn bag.

1176
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: So what's the danger there? It just gets nothing. Really,

1177
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: it's unsightly and it turns all white and weird looking.

1178
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: But You know what, when I was hunting in Hawaii.

1179
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: I was with some Hawaiians in Hawaii. The first thing

1180
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: they do is put there. The first thing to do

1181
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: is bone out. We got we're hunting access to here.

1182
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: Bone the thing out and throwing the ice water. But

1183
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: if you just took it, looks like a drowned rat

1184
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: there man hide on and just dunked at him. Correct,

1185
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: I would do it, certainly protect one side. Yeah, I

1186
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: would do that before I let it rot. We're not

1187
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: talking about like g rdia, like laying eggs into your

1188
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: elchem It's not happening. It's just the discoloration in a

1189
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: way it looks once it's wet in. The Hawaiians are

1190
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: like they put it in the water to do what

1191
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. As they put in the water to

1192
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: draw all the blood out. They pulled that meat out.

1193
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: It's like ivory. But dude, it was good man. Then

1194
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: they steamed underground that he likes a chill and ice water.

1195
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: I shot a black bear in the bear tooths a

1196
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and it took me two and

1197
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: a half days to get it out. In two nights

1198
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: in a row, we put all the bear meat in

1199
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: several trash bags and then into a creek there go,

1200
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: And so that was our refrigerator. The second morning, as

1201
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: I pulled the bags out of the creek, a pot

1202
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: of otters came past our camp, our creekside camp that

1203
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure smelled this meat miles and miles down. Yeah.

1204
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: They came off the still water and came up into

1205
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: this tributary way way up into the bear tooths. I

1206
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: saw a pot of otters, and I'm sure my bear

1207
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: meat had baited him up there, and it wasn't. It

1208
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: wasn't five minutes until that morning pulled it out and

1209
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: then ten squeaky otters slipped past camp. They definitely would

1210
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: have ripped that bag up all, no doubt, John, Are

1211
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: there any sets of tricks left? Well? I think the

1212
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: the point about getting the meat off the bone, if

1213
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: you're really concerned, that's a big one. And getting airflow

1214
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: under any kind of airflow. You know, we did this

1215
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: on a moose hunt earlier this year. It was a

1216
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: d i y drop camp and it was hot and um,

1217
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: you know, we were and it was just kind of

1218
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: rainy and warm the whole time, and so we were

1219
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 1: pretty concerned about the meat but we uh got enough

1220
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: airflow on it and would flip them around every now

1221
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: and then, and we were out there for over a

1222
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: week and a half and even though it smelled kind

1223
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: of ripe and we actually got it back and started

1224
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: trimming up, it was great. So that is one of

1225
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: the things to your points. Do you think it's amazing

1226
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: how long if you do care for it it'll last.

1227
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: But you know, it seems like it's increasingly an issue

1228
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: in some ways. You know. I was in Elk camp

1229
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: in September this year, always in public plan and was

1230
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: fortunate to have been able to ride into camp. But

1231
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: more and more, especially you know, like young athletic hunters,

1232
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: which is obviously great for the whole sport, but are

1233
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: sort of going solo, going in deep, you know, and

1234
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: and particularly bow hunting elk. You know, you really have

1235
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: to think through what's your plan? What? What? What is

1236
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: your is your plan? Because? Uh, the the one word

1237
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: answer I was going to give to to the Pete

1238
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: from Bozeman, right, uh would be uh buddies, yes, uh,

1239
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: because uh, you know, you can get a signal on

1240
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: top of a lot of ridges. You can have a

1241
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: plan even if you want to hunt alone. I get

1242
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: that I like to hunt alone too, but you know,

1243
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 1: to be able to say I need some help get

1244
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: in here. That doesn't mean my tip since you already

1245
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: had one, I'm gonna just add on to that one.

1246
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, when I was talking about yesterday, I was

1247
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: hunting with my neighbor and we got lucky killed when

1248
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,799
Speaker 1: we're packing one out and we're going through the same scenario.

1249
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: But living in Colorado, I had probably almost a dozen

1250
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: people on the list that it was just on the

1251
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: bolletin board year round. But like my wife knew, I

1252
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: would probably call her first and then like, hey, run

1253
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: the list and get up here as fast as you can.

1254
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: Most of those people weren't hunters. Most of them were

1255
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: just people that like enjoyed the outdoors, were stoked to

1256
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: get you know, a few steaks, steaks and burgers exactly.

1257
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: They're like sweet, so stoked to go for a hike today,

1258
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to do on a Sunday. You know,

1259
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: so often it would be it's hard to talk your

1260
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: hunting buddies into coming to help you. It's usually easier

1261
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 1: to talk to guy. It's like I can get some

1262
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: milk met coming, and then you don't have to be

1263
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: shown another hunter your spot. Yeah, it doesn't leave a

1264
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: lot to the imagination when you gotta take him right

1265
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: to the exact spotty. Yeah, so here he is exactly

1266
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: where he was standing. I have a friend in Bozeman who,

1267
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: uh they raise horses, and they're raising pack horses, and

1268
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: he tells me every year he's like, you know, the

1269
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: more experienced these horses have getting him out, you know,

1270
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: let me know. So I take my dolor um with

1271
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: me and he's just ready to go. At all times.

1272
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: He does hunt too, but like he knows, he's just

1273
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: like he'll be at work. He hit him with the dolarm,

1274
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: He's just like, I gotta go. He goes and gets

1275
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: his horse and will you know, head up to the trail.

1276
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: So if you know or can get a hold of

1277
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: somebody that would do that kind of thing, because I

1278
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: know some like way back before it became super popular,

1279
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: Cameron Haynes in his book would write about he had

1280
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: a guy on call he paid to pack his bulls

1281
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: out of the back country and like you were saying,

1282
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: it's getting to the point where guys, are you know,

1283
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: so gun hoe to go the furthest go you know,

1284
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: solo that they don't even think about it, and then

1285
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: they get a bowl on the ground. It's like, now

1286
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Yeah? Now it's it's a big, big,

1287
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: big deal. I I love my horse and my mule

1288
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: almost to it like an indecent level. But I'm not

1289
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: a great horseman by any means. You know, there's a

1290
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: lot of really great horse people around, and uh, there's

1291
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: just a question in my mind whether, uh you should

1292
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 1: call a licensed outfitter for that job. You know, I

1293
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: get the friend and buddy thing with horses and stuff.

1294
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I'm wondering if there might be

1295
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 1: some rules and regulations about it. You know, Uh, there's

1296
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: a lot there's there's lots of great licensed outfitters in

1297
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 1: the state. Who would that cost if? I mean, and

1298
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's real expensive, you know, real expensive

1299
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: relative to the service you're getting. You know, what did

1300
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: I do in Washington? What did he what did you

1301
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: ever talk about prices with it? He does? He does

1302
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: that in the fall for a living nice It's like

1303
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: an uber driver for what do you think bucks to pack?

1304
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't milk five miles. I think you could probably

1305
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: get an outfit or it's just sort of a wrangler

1306
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: to me, you know, somebody's really kind of just coming

1307
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: to help pack meet gonna be him in another horse.

1308
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: It depends, you know how if it's fifteen miles or

1309
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: five miles or what, but not to fifty there you

1310
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: go say, have an extra wildest guess. But and I've

1311
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: seen even in like diners and in Colorado elsewhere, like

1312
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: and you'll see a guy like with a sign up

1313
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: where you know where you got the guys that caught

1314
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: the buckskin on the end of a piece of paper,

1315
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: cut the fringe, you tear the tab off, dudes advertising

1316
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: that service. That's a good thing to look in. You man,

1317
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: just have like a let's have like an ace in

1318
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: the hole before you go hunting. Gangs that with a question.

1319
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: This guy is from the UK, does not hunt. Wants

1320
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: to know this could a major league pitcher with a

1321
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: wicked bassball, if taught to stalk a white tailed deer,

1322
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: be able to kill the deer with a rock that

1323
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: could fit in his hand. And if he had a tag,

1324
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: would his methods for filling the tag be legal? That's

1325
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: a two part answer, yes and no, Yes and no.

1326
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: I think my answer is yes and no, Yeah, you

1327
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: probably killing. No, it's probably not legal, not legal method

1328
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: to take. Method of take is interesting. Um uh, the

1329
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: level of specificity they get into a method of take,

1330
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: particularly if you get into something like waterfowl where it's

1331
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: like shot size, composition of shot, So it's like how

1332
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: the diameter of the shot, what the shot is made of,

1333
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 1: the borer of the shotgun being prohibitions on too small,

1334
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 1: prohibitions on too large, how many shells the firearm can hold,

1335
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: the gauge of the firearm. You know, I was getting

1336
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: with the poor size, like excruciating level of detail around

1337
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 1: method to take. And in some places like Alaska waterfalls federal,

1338
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: but some places like they're they leave a lot, there's

1339
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of like open. They don't get into a

1340
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: lot of method to take. Discussions of other states get

1341
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: into what would be like the draft again and that

1342
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: like coyote killing and Montana, like I don't know what

1343
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: would be there's no method to take there, don't it's

1344
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: non game Okay, yeah, um yehney, I got a couple

1345
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: of good ones here. This one would be a little

1346
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 1: bit shorter at least answer I think. Um this fella

1347
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: is saying, well, it's Jordan's, so it could be a gal.

1348
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: Let's say it's a goal. Okay, she's saying she's shot

1349
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: enough big game animals are a rifle, that she knows

1350
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: what it looks like when she gets a good hit

1351
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: by the animal's reaction and behavior, and that uh so

1352
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: she's she can kind of tell, like if it's a

1353
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: good hit and whether she has to shoot again or not.

1354
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: But even though it's a good hit and it's starting

1355
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: to get wobbly, it still, you know, it's taking seconds

1356
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: to you know, lay or fall down, so it's a

1357
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: little bit longer. But she feels like she's in a

1358
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: ethical quandary, wondering should she just shoot again and get

1359
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: it over with or she just let it go on

1360
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: its own. And the reason it's a it's a quantity

1361
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: for her, it's because she feels like a second shot

1362
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: might do more deep meat damage and she wants to

1363
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: get as much good meat out of it as possible.

1364
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: I question question. I like it. There's a reason guns

1365
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: hold more than one bullet, because I've seen it, you know,

1366
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: any number of times guys I think that they've knocked

1367
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: an animal down, even even when it falls, even gals

1368
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 1: that have shot a hundred critters like Jordan's. Yes, yeah, no,

1369
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: I would. I always put another round or two into

1370
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: the animals. You do. Yeah, if it's standing, I'm shooting.

1371
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: If if I've made contact, if I've wounded that animal,

1372
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: and now it is my responsibility to finish the job.

1373
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: I know. But but she's saying that like this is

1374
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: after a good shot, like you just like it could

1375
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: be a seventy five yards and you saw the bullet

1376
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 1: go right through both longs. We're talking seconds, probably just

1377
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 1: long enough to get off another shot or not. I'm

1378
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: with Pete. I'm shooting, keep shooting, put another one through

1379
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: the roobs, John, I think it depends on the animal.

1380
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Okay, that's what I'm saying. We're

1381
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:50,440
Speaker 1: talking brown bear, we're talking white till those two different categories.

1382
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: I shot a brown bear in Alaska recently, and I'll

1383
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: leave some of the names out to protect the innocent.

1384
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: But it was a charge situation and we emptied our guns,

1385
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: but it was it was kind of a life or

1386
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: death deal. Yeah that's yeah, that's its own thing. Yeah,

1387
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: that's that's way different than you we gonnaut I heard

1388
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: about that Yeah, yeah, it was kind of hairy. But

1389
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: then you know elk, deer, antelope, you know planes, game,

1390
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, smaller stuff save the meat pete. Yeah, I'm

1391
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: into it. I like I like breaking big animals down there.

1392
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, elk elk are tough. Just because you think

1393
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: you have a fatal hit on him doesn't mean you do.

1394
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I would say, yeah, it depends

1395
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: on the animal. A moose, absolutely, keep shooting on a moose.

1396
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely on some stuff like white tail or caribou. I

1397
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: would be like reading a lot into what I saw happen,

1398
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 1: sure what I thought was happening. Now it's interesting because

1399
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: Jordans really and maybe I just didn't do a good

1400
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: enough joy to explain this, but you guys have all

1401
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: answered and sort of just like waste meat or not meat.

1402
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: She also is wondering about, like the animals misery in

1403
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: those three or four I'm talking about we're talking about

1404
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: fractions of not fractions, we're talking about seconds. I think

1405
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: of someone. I think that any one of us, if

1406
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: they knew, if if it was minutes, shoot again. By

1407
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: that point, there's no question anymore, like at probably ten seconds,

1408
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: there's no question if you go long enough to think

1409
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: about it. In my opinion, you probably should have another

1410
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: one going down. Here we're talking about something that we're

1411
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: talking about, a decision that that you're you know you're

1412
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about decisions playing out over a handful of seconds.

1413
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: Dead on his feet, dead to rights, he's still dancing around,

1414
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: but he is going to die. Doesn't sound like there's

1415
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: much of a reason to shoot again. Yeah, if you

1416
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,839
Speaker 1: get a hit on something runs three or four steps,

1417
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: you can see the shot place. It's like out clear.

1418
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: You can see the shot placement. You can tell from

1419
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: body language, you know it's gonna be down within literally seconds.

1420
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: It's just not I just feel like it's you're not

1421
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: doing it a favor by shooting it again special. If

1422
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: it's already kind of like it's dead wall, it's it's

1423
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: like dead walls wall too. I feel like if if

1424
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: I took up a thirty cow through both lungs, I'm

1425
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: probably not feeling much else at that point. The world

1426
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: has gone fuzzy and gray, you know, immediately right, and

1427
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: the reverses is so true, you know it's it's what's

1428
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: worse than losing an animal that's been hit so sort

1429
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: of went in doubt, you know what I mean when

1430
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: in doubt, and that's kind of where I am. I mean, yeah,

1431
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know that the animals dead, honest feet, Okay,

1432
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: I don't need to shoot again, but you know, it's

1433
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: it's the ones, especially those kind of marginal like near

1434
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: the spine hits where they drop and everybody's starting to,

1435
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, get excited and unload their gun and all that.

1436
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, the animal pops up and

1437
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: is off like a shot. Now you've got a mess

1438
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: on your hands. Yeah, that's why I'm always thinking about

1439
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: putting another one into it if I can. You bow

1440
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 1: hunters might already know this. I'd be really curious to

1441
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: hear some opinions. But I learned from a buddy of mine,

1442
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: Jason Morrison, uh recently that you know, on on elk,

1443
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 1: you kill or you you shoot a bowl with it

1444
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: with an arrow, knock another arrow and shoot again. And

1445
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: and maybe that's habit for for you guys, but nothing

1446
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: to lose. I think for a lot of guys it's not.

1447
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if you're if you're able to

1448
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: get a second arrow in a in an elk, it

1449
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: helps a lot one up. Man, you know there's nothing

1450
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: to lose. Okay, ready with this one? Please? Is it

1451
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 1: okay to hunt squirrel in public land during deer hunting season?

1452
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: I know it's legal, but is it right? I know

1453
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: if I were going to hunt for ten days for

1454
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: deer and a squirrel hunter came through, I'd be pissed.

1455
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: What's the etiquette on this topic? We've covered this before.

1456
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't think you're under any obligation whatsoever to determine

1457
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: who has a um, who has the rights to be

1458
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: in the woods. I just don't sucks for the deer hunter,

1459
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: yes it does, but it sucks for you more to

1460
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: stay home. I think you could do a good turn.

1461
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: You pull up to a little parking area on a

1462
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 1: little game management area and there's like a couple of

1463
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: trucks there. It's getting towards dusk, you know, if possible

1464
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: going on our direction, But if it came to be

1465
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: in that you feel like you need to sit home

1466
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: for them from October one November for fear of running

1467
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: into a bowl hunter. No, No, it's your woods too, man. Yeah,

1468
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: public land owner. Yeah, it's just like it's like, I'm sorry,

1469
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 1: I think you could do like, yeah, if it's like courteous,

1470
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: if you're there, if you see the guy sitting in

1471
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: a tree stand, don't go stomp and under it. Maybe,

1472
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, try to sneak around or something, But no

1473
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: reason you shouldn't be in the woods at that point.

1474
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: If you know there's a bowl hunt or the left,

1475
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: you could just easily go right. That's just courtesy. I

1476
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: killed a mountain goat right next to some ice climbers

1477
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: one time. How do they feel about that? Uh, we

1478
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: didn't really actually have a conversation, but the sheet of

1479
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: ice crap. They were able to talk afterwards. They weren't

1480
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: responded after I think that was like a share. That

1481
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: was an interesting combination ice climbers and mountain goat hunters.

1482
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm with you. You know, if it's yeah,

1483
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: if it's prime time, don't go in there, but go

1484
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: hunt in the middle of the day. But yeah, if

1485
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: it's going to keep you at home, I'd go into

1486
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 1: the woods and go squirrel hunting or hiking for that matter,

1487
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: or rabbit hunting or maybe I don't know whatever it

1488
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 1: might be in the woods during right, you know, deer season.

1489
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: I just hate the idea that a small game hunter

1490
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: would feel like a second class citizen in the hunting community.

1491
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: We need more small game hunter, squirrel huntings school, rabbit

1492
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: hunting school. You know, that's as legit as anything else

1493
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: we do. So I'm with I'm with you, get out there.

1494
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: But I do think the bowl hunters think that they

1495
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: have I think that they that their activities with trump others. Right,

1496
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: that's a can of worms. But yeah, I mean there

1497
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,799
Speaker 1: is that add because they're more they're they're so invested

1498
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: in they got so much time invested in it, right,

1499
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: And it's like comes down to these like precise moments,

1500
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: and you've got like a ton of effort, working your

1501
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: ass off, practicing hanging stands. It's like, you know, waiting

1502
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: for the perfect moment, and then it gets blown by

1503
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: some dude who, from all appearances seems to be like

1504
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: kind of willy nilly, low commitment, low barrier to entry,

1505
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: wandering through the woods, shooting off twenty two shells and

1506
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: bullshit with his body. Right, It's like it can feel

1507
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 1: that way, but and yeend I think it's it's just

1508
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: not your place, man. It's like someone has just the

1509
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: same right you have. You gotta do your best to

1510
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: respect all the stakeholders at the table. Like if you're

1511
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 1: fly fisherman and some some guy comes floating down the

1512
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: river in an inner tube drinking a Coors Light. He's

1513
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: having a good time too, but you may be trying

1514
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: to stick a big brown trout in a spot that

1515
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: he happened to float right over. Yeah, you know, this

1516
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: is kind of a tangent though to what you're talking about.

1517
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 1: A couple of the guys, one of my buddies in particular,

1518
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 1: he's a great hunter. You know, we hunt public a lot,

1519
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 1: and we'll encounter other guys, and one of the things

1520
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I admire about him is that he doesn't let the

1521
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: presence of other hunters deter him at all when he

1522
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: sees him. That's the eagle. The eagles like that. Yeah,

1523
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, and I think that. So I think that

1524
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: when people feel that, like that drop that disheartening sense

1525
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: of oh my god, somebody just tromped through my space

1526
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: or I encountered a guy in my honey hole, it's

1527
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: impossible not to a little bit, but you gotta. But

1528
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I think a good hunter just as like, all right,

1529
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna well, It's like when I go bear hunting

1530
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: in the spring, there's always dudes around, and you know,

1531
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: you can get real down on it, or you can

1532
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: just be like that guy's got no game. He ain't

1533
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: going to see the bears that I'm gonna see. And

1534
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: I've been on a vantage where I come back from

1535
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: a stock or something and there's a bunch of guys

1536
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: just looking around, Willy Nillion. They didn't see any of

1537
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: the bears there. Just like, must a change, man, because

1538
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: when I was back, when I was living here previously,

1539
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 1: no one, no one. There's a lot more bear hunters now. Man.

1540
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: It's a popular thing to do. Yeah, it used to

1541
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: be something fun to do in the spring that nobody did.

1542
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: No one. I know so many bear hunters. Hmm, it's

1543
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous. Care what you talk about? They got

1544
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: spring fever, care for what you talk about? Just on

1545
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: that topic about there's sort of karma to the are

1546
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 1: in public land thing too. We were in public land

1547
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: hunting and uh two years ago in September and had

1548
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: a nice hunt on a good bull, didn't quite happen.

1549
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: Excited to go back the next day. Alarm goes off

1550
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: at four thirty and uh, you know, making coffee, getting

1551
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: boots on and here come to public hunters. So you know,

1552
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 1: right right through camp saying we watched your elk hunt yesterday.

1553
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: You mind if I go try to get that bullet

1554
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's you know it's your it's your

1555
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: lamb too, man, go go for it. You want You

1556
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: wanna hear a good segment. I never heard of that before.

1557
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: You know, you're saying that your alarm went off. Here's

1558
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: a good segue. Check us out. A guy rolled in

1559
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: about his body. We're talking about what makes turkey shot gobble,

1560
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: all the sounds that will make turkey shot gob he said.

1561
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: One day his body pulls out to a turkey hunting

1562
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: spot and he got there a little early, and he's, um,

1563
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: I think you'll take a quick nap, but falls real

1564
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: to sleep and wakes up and it's already legal light,

1565
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: and he's in. He's so flustered and frantic get to

1566
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: get out that he likes, messes up his keys and

1567
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: what he's doing, and sets his own car alarm off,

1568
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: and his car alarm is going crazy, and a gobbler

1569
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: just sixty yards from his truck starts just hammering on

1570
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: the thing, gets the alarm off, goes down the trail

1571
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: twenty yards and calls that gobbler and to get them.

1572
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Ah, what else you add that to the list? Huh?

1573
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: It was already on the list. Oh, of things that

1574
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: make Gobler's gobble the best one I've heard lately about

1575
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: because we got I have a long list golling of

1576
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: noises that make Turkey's gowl and the best one I've

1577
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: heard in a long time. As the guy was saying

1578
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 1: the morning bells at a monastery when he taunts turkeys

1579
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: near a monastery and in the morning, go do dong,

1580
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: and the golers started hammering. You can do the same

1581
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: thing with bulls bugling. In late September, we had a

1582
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: guy say he doesn't He didn't want me to say

1583
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: this because he doesn't want to blow it. He said,

1584
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody this. He hunts in Idaho and he

1585
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 1: brings his older bugle out and to spring to shot

1586
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: gobble Turkey. He's the holy ship. Does it work good? Huh? Oh, yeah,

1587
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: knows about that. Oh nice, I blow a rabbit distress

1588
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: calling that works up with gobble. That's funny. I've clapped

1589
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: real hard before and gotten to shot gobble at it.

1590
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: My brother whistle a big rip and whistle too. My

1591
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 1: brother goes hey. Speaking of hunting on public land, This

1592
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: fella found himself a sweet spot over hunting over two scrapes.

1593
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 1: He was all pumped up, got his tree stand in there,

1594
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: got in early, and right at first light, he catches

1595
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: his movement out of the corner of his eye. No,

1596
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: it's not a big old buck coming down the trail.

1597
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: It's another hunter, old dude who has a stand that

1598
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: he didn't see about seventy five yards away from him.

1599
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 1: He whistles, he gets his attention. The dude waves back

1600
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: and contin So he's not really worried about like the ethics,

1601
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: so like what you should do, But he's worried about

1602
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: like that. What's the associated hunting danger or danger that

1603
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,640
Speaker 1: surrounds that. Hunting so close to another hunter that you

1604
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: don't know, You don't know what he's gonna do. None

1605
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: knows you're there, knows you're human being sitting seventy yards away. Well,

1606
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: unless he's just an idiot, right, it's more dangerous than

1607
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: being about yourself. Maybe, unless if you if you fall

1608
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: out of your stand, at least he's there to see

1609
01:30:54,240 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: if they haven't give your hand no dangers re lining,

1610
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 1: I say no dangers, I fall out of my stand.

1611
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: I got a buddy here to help me. And you

1612
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: say if he was rightful at bow hunting, it didn't say, well, no,

1613
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: I did both both season. Both season. I'm a lot

1614
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: more worried about the guy who doesn't see me. Yeah,

1615
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: that's very true, for sure. Man. Yeah it's annoying, but

1616
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't like when I'm out assessing danger. Right,

1617
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: you're out, You're always a set. You should be always

1618
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: be out assessing danger. And a guy comes up and

1619
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: we acknowledge each other's presence and he decides to hunt

1620
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: seventy five yards away from me. I'm not being like, oh,

1621
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: this is getting dangerous. I'm like, this is getting extremely annoying.

1622
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: Not dangerous, but extremely annoying. Have we talked about the

1623
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: story we heard from Maryland on the show. Yes, we

1624
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 1: talked about that. I think we did on the Maryland Show.

1625
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Are you sure? I'm pretty sure, dude. I wish I

1626
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: knew for absolute positive, because the best story I've ever heard,

1627
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: the best hunting story I've ever heard. They won't mind,

1628
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 1: So buddy of bars down in Maryland is I don't

1629
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: know marsh and a heavy hunted area, and they're hunting

1630
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: these little islands of trees out in the swamp. Okay,

1631
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 1: out in the marsh. He gets up bright and squirreling,

1632
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: gets out in his thing way before light and gets

1633
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: set up in his little island. And these islands of

1634
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 1: timber can can be pretty small, you know, it's like

1635
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: ten trees or whatever. Make this a little island of timber.

1636
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 1: He gets set up and sure enough towards towards like later,

1637
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: toward light, here's the headlamp commed. He's like, I don't know.

1638
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 1: The headland keeps common and common and common and come

1639
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: until it gets to his island of trees, and he's

1640
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 1: like spotty. It says, hey, I'm hunting here, you know.

1641
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: And the guys like, well, I already got my stand over,

1642
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: so they don't really clarify what he's gonna do, but

1643
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: he acknowledges that he needs to go and do something

1644
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: with his stand So the guy comes right behind him.

1645
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 1: How many yards was eighteen? Yeah, something like you range

1646
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: finding him. He's in a tree eighteen yards away. It

1647
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: might mean less than that because because you're hear the

1648
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: rest of the story. So the guy starts pulling a chain.

1649
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 1: He's got it chained with like a heavy chain where

1650
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: he's like, as he's pulling the chain across the steel

1651
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: tree stand, he's like, oh my god, let's get it

1652
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: over with, you know. And he thinks he's unchaining the

1653
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: stand to move away. But after a minute, sure enough,

1654
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: it's like the unmistakable sound of bark. He's like, he's like,

1655
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: climbs up. I think it was thirteen yards. The guy

1656
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: finally gets position and he swings around his range finder

1657
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,679
Speaker 1: and range finding the guy. I think it was thirteen

1658
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: yards away. As you'll you'll see in a minute how

1659
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 1: just how close they were. So he's looking out his

1660
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: side of the island and the guy's thirteen yards away

1661
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: looking out his side islands during muzzle over season. So

1662
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: eventually gets light out and sure enough, bouch out of

1663
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: this guy's tree. So our buddy like peers around to

1664
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: see what's going on, and there's a buck out in

1665
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 1: the march, clearly unscathed, and the guy is frantically trying

1666
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: to load his muzzleloader right for a second shot. So

1667
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: our buddy swings around in his stand, but the buck

1668
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 1: is also circling around. Make it sound like he's like

1669
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: now going to poach it. He's like not hit right,

1670
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: But the guy is like frantically trying to reload his muzzloaders.

1671
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,639
Speaker 1: So our buddy swings around and shoots the buck perfect

1672
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: and the guy they're so close to guy whispers, you

1673
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: got him, our buddy. Our buddy climbs down and goes

1674
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: to retrieve the bucket. He can't find it, and the

1675
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: guy who's sitting in the other tree stand has to

1676
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: direct him. He's like to the right, so worked out

1677
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: to Yeah, so he Verry says he got his deer

1678
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: very quietly vacated the area. The best part of the

1679
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: best part of the story is the whisper got him?

1680
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 1: What else this it's probably a good one to finish

1681
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,799
Speaker 1: up on. Um, we're gonna be about that time everybody

1682
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: needs to go home for dinner. But uh, this guy

1683
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: William asks, with all the hunts you're doing, bad weather,

1684
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: how does someone layer clothing on a budget? And sat

1685
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: way you layered on enough? Yeah, but I think you

1686
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: can think of like a cheap way to get warm

1687
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: and how do you keep your feet warm? Now, everybody's

1688
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: got a tip or trick for this guy. But think brevity,

1689
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Phil you want to go first, there's no other way

1690
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,640
Speaker 1: for you. I'm going long and deep. Or do you

1691
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: want to pass it? How to how to layer on

1692
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a budget? Could get a job working for one of

1693
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: the camel companies. That would probably help um. Well. Here

1694
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: in Bozeman, if you go to the good will, you'll

1695
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 1: find a lot of stuff that skiers drop off they

1696
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: come for a week of skin. My wife has all

1697
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:13,679
Speaker 1: sorts of really nice like Patagonia pants and stuff from

1698
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: local good wills. You'd be surprised with people actually donate

1699
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: any town, any town. Yeah. I used to get tons

1700
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 1: of hunting close from the Goodwill in the town of

1701
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: nine thousand people. It's called it's called St. Vincent same thing, Yeah,

1702
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, don't overlook that kind of thing. You know

1703
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: what you can find there. You know it might not

1704
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 1: be the latest and the greatest, but you know, if

1705
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for bass layers, you know you don't have

1706
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 1: to be spending an arm in a leg to get them. Also,

1707
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't super believe in camels, so a lot of

1708
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: stuff I wear hunting. You know, it doesn't matter what

1709
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: color it is. So if it's like you go over

1710
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: and it's on a sales rack and it's at Bob Ward's.

1711
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: It's like, pick that up. Especially rifle hunting. You don't

1712
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 1: need to wear camera rifle hunting nor hunting in my opinion,

1713
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: but that's just me. So yeah, look look on the

1714
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: sales racks, look at the good whales. Well, I don't

1715
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: think there's much of a substitute for high quality gear.

1716
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: But um, certainly before I had nice stuff, say, you know,

1717
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: like a three d dollar down jacket, which is an

1718
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: incredible piece of installation. Um, I think like in my

1719
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: college days, I was wearing a lot of like LLL

1720
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:35,480
Speaker 1: being fleeces and stuff like that, like layering cheaper garments

1721
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:40,879
Speaker 1: that uh maybe more fleece like than high end treated

1722
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 1: down um, and utilizing that kind of stuff and always

1723
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: stayed warm. The same with gloves like my my best

1724
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: cold weather gloves or fourteen bucks at Murdocks their leather

1725
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: mittens and buy a pair to a year and then

1726
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the most warm because I run the I call them

1727
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: Kerma the frog gloves. But those military surplus wool gloves

1728
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 1: every year, just anytime I can get ahold of them.

1729
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: And I grabbed some of those because you can put

1730
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: them underneath other gloves. They're cheap. You can get them

1731
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 1: online for ten bucks. As far as keeping your feet warm, um,

1732
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 1: maybe having boots a half a size bigger than normal,

1733
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: a little a little bit of air around your toes,

1734
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: all the difference, it's gonna be hard to beat. I

1735
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: get still sick of this man. People be like, I

1736
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: wish you had enough money to go hunting. It's like,

1737
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 1: come on, I hunted and lived like comfortably for a

1738
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: long time as a magazine writer, far below federal federal

1739
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: poverty level. It's like nothing. I was doing the first

1740
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: doll sheep hunt I went on. I swear to god,

1741
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: I had a boot, a pair of boots I bought

1742
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: at Circle Square pawn shop full on Army surplus rain

1743
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: where I had a wool shirt that I had coming

1744
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: into somewhere, and took a pair of another pair of pickles,

1745
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: a pair of pants and cut out material to so

1746
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: on big pockets onto my shirt with a needle and

1747
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: dental faust. We go on the woods rags man. On

1748
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: that trip, my brother was wearing underwear he found in

1749
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: a shopping cart in the alley behind his house. I'm

1750
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: not joking, because he were like he later had to

1751
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: cut him up to make bandages, and that guy us

1752
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,640
Speaker 1: talking about where he got in the first place, and

1753
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: he found him in a shopping cart. It's like, come on,

1754
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: it's having great stuff is really nice because it frees

1755
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: your mind up to do other stuff. It's it's it is.

1756
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: It's more comfortable, it's more pleasurable, it's better. But if

1757
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: it comes down to if it no joke comes down

1758
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: to you staying home or or like going or not going.

1759
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: And you're going or not going based on whether you

1760
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: have like good technical apparel, you're never gonna be anything.

1761
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 1: You're never gonna be anything, and you're never gonna be happy.

1762
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: It's just like, listen, it's true. If it's like I

1763
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: can't go because I don't have the come on, come on.

1764
01:39:58,120 --> 01:39:59,679
Speaker 1: I was in my thirties four I had a rifle

1765
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:01,960
Speaker 1: that wasn't hand me down rifle. It's like, give me

1766
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: a break. I'm left handed. I shot right handed, rifle

1767
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: still is. In my thirties, I got a left hand rifle.

1768
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure how to use it. It's just like

1769
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: if that, if that's like really keeping you out of

1770
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: the woods. But that's not even answering this question. It's like,

1771
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:24,759
Speaker 1: go down find every used store, every goodwill, Salvation, Army, st.

1772
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: Vincent in your town, and every month drop in there

1773
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: and see what they got laying around and just make

1774
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: it your summer project. You'll outfit yourself. Right. It might

1775
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: not be the best up, it's functional, it might be

1776
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 1: awesome stuff. My wife's hunting pants are from a good

1777
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: will that she found. It was just you know, in

1778
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: a ski town, people drop it off because they'll never

1779
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: use it again. You know, when she's got a high

1780
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: end pair of pants that probably retail for two bucks

1781
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 1: that she got for twenty bucks. Yeah, I would, in

1782
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: all fairness. All the time I was doing that, dude,

1783
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: I was totally lusting after, like really bomber great apparel.

1784
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about difference between going and not going.

1785
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: And you can go and be comfortable, and you can

1786
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: be wishing and dreaming about getting some sweeter stuff, but

1787
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: you just got at a point you just gotta decide

1788
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 1: you're just gonna go um and then figure the rest out.

1789
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Keeping your toes warm, Uh yeah, I have a little

1790
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 1: bit bigger. If you got some old pawnshop boots, put

1791
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: some snow seal on them. Used toe warmers like those

1792
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 1: little what do you call them warmers? Handwarmers for your toes.

1793
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: Those things are great. Then go you go out and

1794
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 1: you know, go after hunting season down your local sporting

1795
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: good story and usually giving those things away because they

1796
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: don't last forever. Good one. The other thing about about

1797
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: your feet is it's it's moisture management is such a

1798
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 1: huge deal, you know, and uh, if everything's working properly

1799
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 1: and you're in a situation where you're hiking and ascending,

1800
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 1: you're you're perspiring, your whole body's perspiring. And and something

1801
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: I tell a lot of guys is, you know, layering

1802
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 1: it's great, but you got to actually layer. You know,

1803
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: when when you're about to ascend it could be very

1804
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: very cold, use your layers, you know, put take your

1805
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: coat off and put it in your pack and the

1806
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: hardest thing stripped down, you know, and you're only gonna

1807
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: be chilly just for a second, and then you're gonna

1808
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 1: be hot and and sweating. Well, all that sweat goes

1809
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 1: to your feet, and so managing moisture, managing perspiration inside

1810
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 1: your goes to your feet. You're saying that like dripping

1811
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 1: down your legs. You know, I'm being figurative a little bit.

1812
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: But your feet are sweating too, you know, and and so,

1813
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 1: uh you know, I had a I had a situation

1814
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: one time where a guy said, hey, I just got

1815
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: these boots in there there giving me trouble. I can't

1816
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,719
Speaker 1: stay warm. And I gotta started talking to him. And

1817
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: he worked as a security guy in a mountain town.

1818
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 1: And uh, you said, yeah, you know, I put I

1819
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: get dressed. And I said, well, wait, hang on a second,

1820
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: how far is your drive to work? So I asked

1821
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,439
Speaker 1: about an hour, you know, fourth pennutes. I'm like, dude,

1822
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: I'll hot your car smoking. You know, it's twenty below

1823
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: zero outside, it's seventy five degrees in your car, and

1824
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: by the time you get there, your feet are sweating. Yeah.

1825
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 1: I have a friend of cat hunts who does he

1826
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: who won't blow hot air on his feet, and he

1827
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: won't put his boots on until he gets there, and

1828
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: he keeps his boots in the back so his feet

1829
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: don't get oversweated before he gets out and actually goes

1830
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 1: hiking or even sweat on cold boots on purpose. Yes,

1831
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: not necessarily, because you know, he's just trying to keep

1832
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: his feet dry. The whole time, or you know, packing

1833
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: an extra pair of socks, and when you do get

1834
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: sweatered up, take the time to take him off, get

1835
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: your feet aired out, put on fresh socks. You put

1836
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: on a fresh pair of dry socks and your feet

1837
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 1: feel like a million dollars. It's like you just treated

1838
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: yourself to a day at the spot. It's unbelievable. Pair

1839
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: of socks in your pack is a great tip. It

1840
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 1: going last man because you guys keep stealing. I got

1841
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,719
Speaker 1: I got more, Toad got more of dead. We're running

1842
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 1: mountain lions with a guy. Um, And it was no joke.

1843
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,759
Speaker 1: It was third team below zero. He had uninsulated leather boots.

1844
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 1: He says, I, he goes, I got sweaty feet. I

1845
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 1: do better all day. I do better to keep my

1846
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: feet warm with uninsulated boots because the minute I started

1847
01:44:16,200 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: doing anything, they sweat up. I do that same thing.

1848
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 1: And when we're out working, it's a real thing, Um,

1849
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: when you got it, when you start out in the morning,

1850
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a real thing with like having the discipline and

1851
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 1: having everybody get on board, to have the discipline to

1852
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: strip down before you hike, because people want to start

1853
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: and in in five minutes and someone's got like five minutes later,

1854
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: someone else is gonna shed later. And I don't have

1855
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: the best discipline, Like I screwed this up too, But

1856
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: like if you're smart, you're stripped down and you're waiting

1857
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: for everybody put their package. You're doing push ups because

1858
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:50,840
Speaker 1: you're like, I just gotta keep warm until we get going.

1859
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:54,759
Speaker 1: That's the person that winds up winning. But it requires

1860
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: so much discipline. I still, all these years later, I

1861
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: still am always getting to the top something. He'll sweat

1862
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: my ass off because I was too lazy. I was

1863
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 1: too lazy to do what I know I should have done.

1864
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: And then you're up there, and then you want to

1865
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: talk about cold. Then you're kind of cold. It's hard

1866
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 1: to recover from trying to get soaking wet, windy, sitting

1867
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,560
Speaker 1: still cold. It's different than the chili getting ready to

1868
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: walk cold. That's a that's a killer cold, and you

1869
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 1: try to manage it, but you know how it is.

1870
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're just you're in a hurry. You're fighting. You know,

1871
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: you want to get there before the sun comes up,

1872
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: and so you're jamming and you're just, yeah, some of

1873
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 1: these fights you're not gonna win. These are just things

1874
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: you have to learn to deal with. Yeah, there's sometimes

1875
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be a sweaty mess. When I was

1876
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: a little kid, my dad pounded it. He was him

1877
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: was scent control. But like walking so slow out your

1878
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: tree stand and put carrying your clothes with you and

1879
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: always staying cold, stay in chili, you know, and then

1880
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 1: putting your clothes on because he's always worried about that

1881
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 1: perspiration and deer smelling you. I want to talk about

1882
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: full circle and then we started talking about that a

1883
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah, I think a lot of guys

1884
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: are afraid to be cold. It's okay to be cold

1885
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, there is that, like you said,

1886
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,120
Speaker 1: after you've done the hike and you're in the wind

1887
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: and stuff and that kind of full body tremor type

1888
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 1: stuff that sucks. But just general cold, you're feep being

1889
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 1: a little cold, your hands being a little cold, there's

1890
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. Makes being warm a lot cooler.

1891
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Fee is no fun. We're gonna find out how good

1892
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 1: Yanni is because if he can still come up with

1893
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 1: some original material, see how good he is. You guys

1894
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 1: couldn't see that, but I just cracked my knuckles. Is

1895
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: that what that's called a thing where you're like getting

1896
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: ready to read what I would have done about you

1897
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: into my palms like in the old days when someone's

1898
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna use like a sledge hammer. Yeah, spitting your palms

1899
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 1: like you're getting ready to work. Yeah, it's not totally original,

1900
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 1: but I think I work off of the perspiration thing.

1901
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 1: And another thing that actually that same cat hunter that

1902
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,439
Speaker 1: you were speaking of, Bruce was doing and he was

1903
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: a real stickler on was and we were day hunting.

1904
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 1: But the pets dryers or however you can do it.

1905
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: But those boot they hold some moisture from your from

1906
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: your feet that sweat dry them out every night. Get

1907
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 1: that moisture completely out. That'll keep your feet warmer. That's

1908
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: the best you can do. Get a pizza dryer. What No,

1909
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: it's saying, when you're using your boots day in and

1910
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: day out, start them off dry, get that moisture out

1911
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: from the day before. Hit me with another one, Come on, um,

1912
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: another one I've heard of. I can't say I've ever done.

1913
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 1: He's going into hear, but I believe it. I believe

1914
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 1: it works because it works around the whole having air

1915
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: inside your boot and having that zone events of air

1916
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: insulation is having some sort of an insult. And then

1917
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I've heard that people will actually take like, uh, you

1918
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 1: know the style foam that your ground meat comes in.

1919
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: We'll cut that out in the shape of an insult

1920
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: and put it underneath their insult to give another layer

1921
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: of air between them and the ground. The stuff of

1922
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: the state comes up. Yeah you heard of that, John, Yeah,

1923
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 1: that's not bad like that. Yeah I did like that. Yeah.

1924
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 1: I can't say I've tried it, but I started throwing

1925
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,639
Speaker 1: in a little gonna start throwing in a little meat

1926
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 1: packing materials. You're a little kid, your mom would we go?

1927
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. Okay, I'm just gonna

1928
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,719
Speaker 1: keep working down right through the sole of the boot.

1929
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 1: And so if you're standing around and you're getting cold feet,

1930
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: and this is a mountaineering trick, you take your butt

1931
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 1: pad and lay it down and stand on it and

1932
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:31,520
Speaker 1: start the cold ground of the cold snow. That'sh walking circles.

1933
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm serious. If I'm stationary in a glassing spot or

1934
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: whatever and you're freezing cold and your feet and your

1935
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: feet turned into ice cubes, I'll just walk and walk

1936
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 1: and walking a little circle, high step. I always wondered

1937
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: what you were doing. Yeah, I thought was lost. Got

1938
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: that game running off that hill again. I'll give you

1939
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:56,479
Speaker 1: another one. When you're sitting there and you're not and

1940
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you're on that glass and tip you know you're not

1941
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna go hiking off for a little while, Loosen your

1942
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:05,400
Speaker 1: boots up, don't keep them crazy, leave some room in there.

1943
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one if you really have a

1944
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 1: cold feet problem. They make over boots. M hmm yep.

1945
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: And um, we we met a dude. What's that store

1946
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 1: in Anchorage Wiggy's. We met a dude was saying like

1947
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: he had some over boots. You need a separate backpack.

1948
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: Came around. You're saying like you like, actually cannot get

1949
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 1: cold with those over boots and mushers, you know, mushers

1950
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 1: use them guys. You know interesting cat. Oh you know

1951
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 1: about the whole deal. He is an interesting dude. You

1952
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:39,679
Speaker 1: know when you're a little kid and your mom would

1953
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 1: um put those bread bags, like line your boot with

1954
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 1: a bread bag to keep waterproof and let's good way

1955
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 1: to get cold plastic bag. Oh yeah, man, like like

1956
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: the like the wonder bread sack. I remember, like my

1957
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: mom like whenever we had moon boots. My mom's sticking

1958
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 1: at bread bag down in there. I can't remember why.

1959
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 1: It's about being cold once in a while, it's bad.

1960
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: I remember learning how to duck up when I was

1961
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 1: a kid, you know, probably eight years old or something. Freezing,

1962
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 1: just miserable, you know, and how did you what? What?

1963
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 1: What was the lesson? Get down and shut up? Yeah,

1964
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so worried about you. Keep warm. I am

1965
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 1: about you keep quiet exactly? Are we good? N yeah,

1966
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean we can keep going. But we've been at

1967
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 1: it almost two hours. I'm good. We can do some

1968
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 1: closing thoughts. Oh, there you go. Anybody has any there

1969
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:47,680
Speaker 1: you go, Phil Man, closer, John. I was prepared for

1970
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 1: you guys to corner us with the hot tips thing,

1971
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 1: because that's listen, don't worry. We're doing a hot tip off,

1972
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,640
Speaker 1: and like as soon as we wrap this up, we're

1973
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: gonna do We're gonna do too hot tip off. We're

1974
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: doing a double hot tip off. Very good, got like

1975
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: six so I'm ready to go. Oh nice, you're gonna

1976
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:07,719
Speaker 1: take all my how to keep your food feet warm? Yeah? Yeah,

1977
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 1: if you want to. If you're interested in hot tipoffs,

1978
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,160
Speaker 1: what hot tip This is my concluding thought, Johnnie, if

1979
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: you're interesting with a hot tip off? Is a hot

1980
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 1: tip off is like a bake off, except it's when

1981
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:21,200
Speaker 1: you give hot tips. And if you go to the

1982
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: meat eat or TV, what's what's the exact handle? I

1983
01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 1: don't want to mess it up. Meat Oh, Instagram at

1984
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 1: meter eat at meat or meat Eater or TV on Instagram,

1985
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:35,840
Speaker 1: and there we post hot tip offs where you get

1986
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 1: a room full of people or two people and they

1987
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: have a hot tip off contest who's got the hottest

1988
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 1: hunting fish and tip. Very popular hot tipoffs. That's my

1989
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: concluder double Concluder. Concluder is by the Meat Eater, Fish

1990
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:53,479
Speaker 1: and Game cookbook, recipes and techniques for every hunter and

1991
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: angler by it now. It is released and out and

1992
01:51:56,200 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 1: ready for you. Concluder man. And I hope everybody has

1993
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 1: a great Thanksgiving. I'm really excited for Thanksgivings. I don't

1994
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:08,719
Speaker 1: have to spend it alone hunting because this is gonna

1995
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 1: air polish Thanksgiving. So you should say, I hope you

1996
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: had a one. I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving

1997
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 1: and still are very full from here. Bountiful meal you

1998
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 1: had with your family. Uh, that's about it. Happy holiday season.

1999
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 1: You can't wait for the Christmas music? Are you sure? Oh?

2000
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,600
Speaker 1: I love it. I like that that tune. I like

2001
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 1: that drummer boy tune. Which what's your favorite? You know

2002
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big sucker for Frank Sinatra. Come on, really,

2003
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's like bathe that man what I'm

2004
01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,839
Speaker 1: like so little Italian. I don't even like him anymore.

2005
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 1: My dad liked him cause he's just enough Italian to like. Oh,

2006
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:53,640
Speaker 1: just like he over sells all that. It's like, come on,

2007
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm a d. C. Burman from the Silver jews Man.

2008
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 1: He said, all my favorite singers couldn't sing. That's why

2009
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm a petty man. Petty anyone that can't sing. I

2010
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: like just the grunge, just just getting it out. Just

2011
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: let me just get it out. So now you didn't

2012
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 1: write you that stuff. He was an interpreter. Come on,

2013
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:20,920
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas everyone. I try to think of a good

2014
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Sonata tune. Oh there's too many. Well, thanks for having

2015
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:29,800
Speaker 1: me on starts spreading the news. I didn't know I

2016
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 1: could sing that good start spreading the news. Oh no,

2017
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,599
Speaker 1: hold new career, Phil, you were saying. I was gonna

2018
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 1: say thanks for having me on. I appreciate it was

2019
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: fun to do. And yeah, when your new bow shows up,

2020
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: hit me up and I'll trick it out, check it out,

2021
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 1: and maybe working, don't you form? Your form is good?

2022
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 1: You were talking about you know, yeah, your shot sequence?

2023
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 1: How you you know, get in your head. I got

2024
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 1: a lot of work I need to do. Man, we

2025
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: can get you in your head. So you just made

2026
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. And cool old killer with that boner.

2027
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 1: And I made a lot of mistakes this year. I

2028
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 1: got a lot of work I need to do. We'll

2029
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 1: get you, We'll get you hooked up. Thank you, John

2030
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: or John Well. I hope everybody has a great holiday

2031
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:16,040
Speaker 1: season as well, and jumps right into predators. Now now

2032
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 1: it's time for that to start picking up. What about

2033
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 1: ice fishing? One of my favorite times a year. Ice

2034
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 1: fish is good too. I don't know, are you hard

2035
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 1: water angler? Oh yeah, really so I'm laying out all winter.

2036
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 1: So we drove by one of my favorite bourbon spots

2037
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: the other day, and the whole thing we're gonna talk

2038
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 1: about this is glassed over right now. Yeah, so it's

2039
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before it's safe enough. I

2040
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,160
Speaker 1: got me, I got me a brand new fore man eskimo,

2041
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 1: and then I got me a brand new eyeon ardor

2042
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 1: that there being a beat lake when I get down

2043
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: with it, ice is gonna be gone. Then drill the

2044
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 1: whole egg and then fish it on a boat. He's

2045
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna be out on a floating ice cube. Actually, we

2046
01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:00,240
Speaker 1: did just make a resolution, me and my saying, stay,

2047
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:02,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a bunch of white fish this winter.

2048
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a bunch of whitefish, cooking fish, mountain

2049
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 1: white fish out of the river, those kind of white

2050
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 1: fish river river whitefish, grateful blue basse, all kinds of stuff.

2051
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, they'll be fishing. Is that it yet more

2052
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 1: that I've got I've got a bunch of hot shooting tips,

2053
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: But it looks like we're not going that give us

2054
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: one right now? With the hell all right exposed? When

2055
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 1: did caps on your turrets on your scope, tape, shot tape,

2056
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 1: tape and tape and taping they have no business being there?

2057
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Just when, just when did your elevation to just just

2058
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: quit screwing around with this stuff? Now? Aren't there a

2059
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 1: bunch of funny stories about guys hiking with non zero

2060
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: stop elevation turrets? You know and oh yeah, I've had

2061
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 1: a half. Oh my goodness, just like sitting away like

2062
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 1: laught and bag right and left where I am the

2063
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 1: best animal your life. Talk about a buzz kill, Oh

2064
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 1: my goodness. By concluding thus, John Edwards, get the cookbook,

2065
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 1: it's insane, I like this. Yeah, yeah, that was. We

2066
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,120
Speaker 1: had a super cool event the other night with these

2067
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 1: guys and uh, the cookbooks. Great. I'm gonna try to

2068
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 1: read a recipe and put it into work, so that's

2069
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of mine my thing. Good thanks for having us

2070
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: at the place. Man, it was fun. It's a great venue.

2071
01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: It was a fun event. Yeah. Yeah, Steve, Steve, Steve

2072
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 1: and Yanni both. I mean, you guys rocked the house.

2073
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 1: But I mean how long how long did you meet

2074
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 1: and greet? Three hours? Four there until pretty late. Yeah,

2075
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 1: it went, it went long. But I meant to say,

2076
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:45,280
Speaker 1: like they were people who flew in from most Missouri

2077
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,920
Speaker 1: and Jersey to Montana. From Jersey. From Jersey was the

2078
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 1: farthest I think, so I heard Jersey, Oklahoma. Yeah, those

2079
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: are the too far one. You know that we ought

2080
01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 1: to do John as we should uh do an annual

2081
01:56:58,720 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 1: holiday party man at SNAs like it. We'd always have

2082
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:04,080
Speaker 1: a reason. We have to worry about making up reasons

2083
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: all the time. Just do it normal. And then we

2084
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 1: had this sort of super secret thing down the street

2085
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Speaker 1: at a little speakeasy. How did that go? That was

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01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:16,920
Speaker 1: I've been talking about? Was it all right? The best thing? Oh? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like I have another regret

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Speaker 1: in life now. That was turning down that invite. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I don't know what the rules are here,

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Speaker 1: So it was, um My, including thought is you guys

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Speaker 1: don't even know about it. Steve does though, But by

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Speaker 1: the time this airs, if you have not heard about

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Speaker 1: the new how to gut a deer, me eat your bandana,

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01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: you've been living under a rock. And if you haven't

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01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 1: gotten one yet for a stocking stuffer, you're being naughty.

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Speaker 1: Set your set, your new friends, your new hunting buddies up,

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Speaker 1: Set your old hunting buddies up. If they really know

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Speaker 1: how to go to deer, it'd be like a fun

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Speaker 1: guy joke. Tell me, haven't really shot that many things?

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Speaker 1: They might need a little refresher. Talk about how you

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Speaker 1: came up with the idea. I came up with the idea.

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Speaker 1: I think two ideas sort of collided. Um, I was

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Speaker 1: packing around a orange bandana that has a bunch of

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Speaker 1: like emergency survival tips on it. I just always have

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Speaker 1: a bandana in my rear pocket because my nose runs

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Speaker 1: and cold weather, no matter how good I'm feeling, and

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Speaker 1: I like to keep it clean. Its affiliated or anything. No, no,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's not flopping out of my rear pocket.

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Speaker 1: My left one, no, tightly tucked away. And um so

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Speaker 1: I had that. And then I think Garrett's girlfriend was

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Speaker 1: out gutting a deer by herself and referencing pictures on

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Speaker 1: her cell phone that she had taken of the Big

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Speaker 1: Game guide books. I forgot about that, and so she's

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Speaker 1: sitting there in the field cold. It actually was like

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Speaker 1: a coal. I think it's two years ago. We had

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Speaker 1: like a really cold late November. Yeah, and Dirt was

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Speaker 1: hunting with some other dudes somewhere else. That's right. His

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Speaker 1: girlfriend's hunting one area and he's offen some whole other

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Speaker 1: area hunt with mugs with his buddies. She got a deer.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, yeah, those I heard that story, and I

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Speaker 1: was looking at this bandana. I was thinking, you know,

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01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 1: be a good idea to have the instructions on how

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Speaker 1: to go to deer on a bandana that also has

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Speaker 1: other uses like blowing your nose, tying it onto an

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Speaker 1: antler for actually safety when you're packing it out, flagging

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01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 1: your friend. You and I are always flagging each other,

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Speaker 1: especially in Cou's deer country with orange. Yeah, and be like,

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Speaker 1: all right, go laught. That's right. Plus fashion fashion, you know,

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01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:48,920
Speaker 1: make a statement Willie Nelson man about all that dude

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01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 1: got done with a bandana tied around his head. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We haven't even mentioned that you could wear it as

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Speaker 1: a head dress headpiece. So there you go, by a bandana.

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Speaker 1: I like that really song where he's trying to convince

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Speaker 1: his lady. He's like, yeah, you know, I run around

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Speaker 1: a lot, but I'll always come home to you. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't go over well anymore. Thank you for listening. Is

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Speaker 1: that all right? If I say it, and I'd never

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Speaker 1: get to say that. Yeah, wrapper up, all right, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening.