1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred. Yep. We 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: have been at this for two hundred episodes back since 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: we started in August of twenty seventeen, so it is 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: now June of twenty twenty one. Sarah, did you think 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: we'd go this long? I'm not sure I thought we'd 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: go that long. I mean to me, when I heard 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: other podcasts say it's their two hundredth episode, that sounded really, 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: really long and established, and I guess we have been 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: doing this for quite some time now. My sister showed 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: me some graphic about like how we think about past years. 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: It was really funny, like it's very nonlinear. And I 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: guess twenty seventeen seems like it was like yesterday, but 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: it was four years ago. It was it was a 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: while ago. Two hundred episodes every week, every Tuesday since 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: since we started coming out with this, lots of changes 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: in our lives, changes in the world as a whole. 26 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: It's been, you know, a long running podcast. Yeah. I 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: can't say that I had a particular exit strategy either. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: When we started. I wasn't like, Okay, we're going to 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: do X number, although in general with projects it's probably 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: good to always say, like, okay, I'm going to commit 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: to let's say, twenty episodes if somebody is thinking of 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: starting a podcast, and then can evaluate at that point 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and say, okay, you know, is it working for me? 34 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Is it not working for me? But we've had a 35 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: number of conversations over the years of like is this sustainable? 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: How can we make it sustainable? Yeah, And really some 37 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: of that came from more from me, I think, because 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: at one point the hours just seemed to add up, 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: and I started to do a little bit of mental 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: math in my head about like, well, not working and 41 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of a lot of time, 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: and that is actually what kind of pushed us forward 43 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: to finding an ad network and having this project be 44 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: at least a little bit more than cost neutral for us, 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah. Yeah, so we've made a lot 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: of changes along the way. I mean we started back 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty seventeen, Sarah posted on her 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: blog that she was thinking of starting a podcast. And 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: why had you been thinking this? I mean, you're busy 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: at the time, you were expecting baby number three, I mean, 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: what was the what was the thinking there? Well, the 52 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: main thing was that I at the time had gotten 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: into listening to a lot of podcasts, and so many 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: of them, really the ones that were geared towards women 55 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: tend to be geared towards stay at home mothers, which 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: I had no problem with, but I felt a little 57 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: bit left out, and having blogged for so many years, 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: I felt like my voice and my perspective would be 59 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: something to add. I've always enjoyed speaking. I've never been 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: microphone shy, maybe a little bit camera shy. I don't 61 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: love doing video, but audio is no problem. And so 62 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: the idea was born. And once it, you know, it's 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: one of those ideas where once it popped in my head. 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, like this this little spark, you know, 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't just gonna let go of it. And when 66 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: you responded, it was like, oh my gosh, how perfect. 67 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Like a different perspective resources experience with speaking and another 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: working woman, but with a very different kind of structure 69 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: to her job. So I thought we'd make a really 70 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: nice point in counterpoint that way. Yeah, and it's been fun. 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: It's been been a lot of great episodes. I love 72 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: listening to it. I mean, I'm the target market, I 73 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: guess as are you, So I generally enjoy listening to it. 74 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: We are still exploring various revenue models, so that may 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: develop more over the next year or two as we 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: try to figure out how to make this worth everyone's while. 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: So where do you record? Tell our listeners your set up? Yeah, 78 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: so Laura and I can see each other. By the way, 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: while we're recording. The video does not get kept. We 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: are usually in various states of dishevelment. Sometimes we're more 81 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: put together, other times I'm in workout gear. It varies, 82 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: but the actual location for the last year or so 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: at least, I think, has been I have this mini 84 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: office in my bedroom, which is actually where I used 85 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: to do all my telehealth when I was seeing patients 86 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: from home. I don't always work here when I'm home, 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: but if the kids are home, it's kind of the 88 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: only place I can stay far away from stuff and noise, 89 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: so that is where I am, and generally I try 90 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: to record at times when there's not a lot going 91 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: on in our house, i e. No children are present. Yeah, 92 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: me too, have only the dog in the house at 93 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: the moment, and the dog may start barking, but thankfully 94 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: does not seem to be a very barky sort of dog. 95 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: I also record in my home office at the same 96 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: place I record before breakfast, though on different equipment. Interestingly enough, 97 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: and not for any particular reason of needing to. It's 98 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: more that the recording equipment is set up for me 99 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: as a solo recording. Like the sound is here in 100 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: the studio, so if Sarah we're sitting here with me, 101 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: we could both use that equipment, which would be nice 102 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: because it's really good. But since we're not sitting here together, 103 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: we have to have it coming in from different places, 104 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: and so we have to use online recording software that 105 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: can create local tracks from both of us, so it 106 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: can still use a nice microphone, but it's not the 107 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: same high quality recording when you're doing it through online software. 108 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: So in case anyone was wondering why that is, I'm 109 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: thinking of making an actual recording studio in my new 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: office in the house. It has a closet that could 111 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: be soundproofed quite easily and has enough space for me 112 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: to sit in it, so that would be an obvious 113 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: option for doing this going forward. So stay tuned. I 114 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: may be recording from a closet in the future, but 115 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: it'll be a great sounding podcast a great sounding closet. 116 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: So prior to the episodes, we do have an outline. 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: We have had various outlines and stages of organization, but 118 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: I have to say I feel like this year we've 119 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: sort of gotten it down better than ever previously, and 120 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: I'm it only took four years. But we have like 121 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: a shared document that we access on Google Drive where 122 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: we can add our recording dates, any guest information. If 123 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: an idea comes up where I'm like, ooh, this would 124 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: be a good topic, sometimes I'll put it on there. 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: And so usually that's like a couple of weeks ahead 126 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: of real time, so we know what we're going to 127 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: do and who we're going to have on and then 128 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: we both come up with episode ideas. I feel like 129 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: I come up with more and you're like, uh no, 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: and then that one's good, and then no, but that's 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: a good thing. I need an editor, and then we 132 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: kind of good. It's just you know, you picked the 133 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: best ones. It's good, it's best. And sometimes we turn 134 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: things into an intro right that we're like, oh, yeah, 135 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if we've got thirty minutes of stuff 136 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: to say on that, but we definitely have five, and 137 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: so some topics have been used that way. I don't 138 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: think I ever be like, no, we are not doing that. 139 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, And then usually I do the 140 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: first round of like draft, and then Laura sends it 141 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: back with all of her kind of ad ins. Although 142 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: when we used to do guests together, Laura almost always 143 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: wrote the questions because that was her journalistic expertise. Now 144 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: that we split a lot of the guests up, which 145 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: we found actually led leads to a better flowing interview 146 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: as well as being more convenient, we tend to write 147 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: our own questions for each guest that we have ourselves. Yeah, 148 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: I love listening to Sarah's interviews. You would never know 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: that she didn't do this before this podcast, and so 150 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: it's it's great. Well, now I've had a lot of 151 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: p I mean, that's the thing. I don't think I 152 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: could have done that with episode one, but I spent 153 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot of episodes now listening to you do it. 154 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: Of course listening to nine thousand other podcasts as well. 155 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: I also really enjoy listening to yours because it's like, obviously, 156 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I listen to our podcast, but the 157 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: content is not going to be fresh if I have 158 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: recorded it a week ago. But when you record with 159 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: a guest, it's like brand new stuff. It's like a 160 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: little present I get to open on when a episode 161 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: comes out. Yeah. Now I love listening to the ones 162 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: that are Sarah, and I'm like, oh, I'm listening to 163 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: it just as our guests are listening to it. I 164 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: mean not our guests are, our listeners are listening to it, 165 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of exciting, and so enjoy that. 166 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: And then just to complete the phase of how we 167 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: do this, once we've recorded our tracks, and depending on 168 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: how well our software is working or not, that can 169 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: be more argeous or not, we put it together in 170 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: an email and send it to our production team. We 171 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: do not do the sound part or the splicing together 172 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: of try I think if we did, this podcast would 173 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: have lasted about three episodes instead of two hundred. And 174 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: then that team puts it together and they work with 175 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: the ad people in the ad any of the advertisements 176 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: that go in there, and then it gets launched. So 177 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: it's pretty seaman We reasonably seamless most of the time, 178 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: reasonably seamless, and we find our guests. We've been sort 179 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: of doing one to two guest episodes a month at 180 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: this point. Sarah tends to take one. I take one, 181 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: although we sometimes stack up unevenly from months to months, 182 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: depending on who is more oriented toward each guest, or 183 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: who found them, or who's got more going on in 184 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: the rest of their life. And most of them do 185 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: come from people pitching themselves a lot of times. That 186 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: is how we get our guests. So if you are 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: listening to this and think I would make a great 188 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: Best of both worlds guests, you are absolutely welcome to 189 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: contact us and tell us why you'd be a great guest. 190 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: We are always looking for good stories in general. If 191 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: there's a good angle, if you think about what the 192 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: headline on your interview could be. That's some lesson that's 193 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: helpful for other people who are listening to this, Maybe 194 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: something that's a little counterintuitive, that's very practical. That those 195 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: are all good things because we're trying to be of service, 196 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: and so a job title in and of itself is 197 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: not a story. You know, though, we're trying to get 198 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: people from all sorts of different backgrounds. But if you 199 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: can take that and turn it into something that's helpful 200 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: for other people that they'd like to listen to, that's 201 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: of course always useful for us. Some is pitched by 202 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: PR people. Definitely when we're had some bigger name guests, 203 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: we've also reached out to their teams to get them on. 204 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: So that's how we get people. I'm going to say 205 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: something slightly controversial or juicy, which is that I feel 206 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: like I'm less likely to invite someone to be a 207 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: guest if they're a pitched by a PR person, but 208 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: they're not a name I've heard, So I'm like, this 209 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: isn't you know, it's not like Oprah, Like it's like 210 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: some person and b if the premise is have this 211 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: mom afore on she's figured everything out and wants I 212 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: don't know, like some sort of generic thing. I feel 213 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: like perhaps if that person had contacted me herself and 214 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: shared her story, I would find it somewhat compelling. But 215 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: when it's really shiny and packaged, that's a little bit 216 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: of a turn off for me in particular. So we've 217 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: had I think fewer and fewer of those where we've bitten. 218 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: So if you're listening, it's probably better to unless you're 219 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: super like Oprah, like I mean, although if Oprah emails 220 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: us herself, I'll be happy about it. Yeah, but I 221 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: would take Oprah from like her prs prs PR person. Yes, 222 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: well maybe someday, maybe someday. All right, let's take a 223 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: quick break and then we can come back with our 224 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: dream guests. Okay, we are back. I came up with 225 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: my dream guests, which I will share. Laura, did you 226 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: come up with your yet? Maybe by the end of 227 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: the episode. Okay, Well, if anybody's been listening recently, I 228 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: think this name has come up about a thousand times. 229 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: So Angela Duckworth is my current dream guest, and I'm 230 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: going to try to make that dream of reality. So 231 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: we'll move toward that. My reach dream guest is Michelle Obama, 232 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: because you have to have a stretch goal in life. 233 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: So good this would make great episodes, both of them. 234 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: We'll work on that. So, looking back over the last 235 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: two hundred episodes, I think this is going to be 236 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: slightly more weighted to the last one hundred because I 237 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: think we did a hundredth episode roundup at some point too. 238 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: What's kind of your top moments of podcasting in general? Yeah, 239 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: so I when we get an email and this happens, 240 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean not like every day, but you know, every 241 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: few weeks we'll get a heartfelt email from a listener 242 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: that explains how our podcast has made a positive difference. 243 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes there's even a story like I decided to go 244 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: for this job even though it wasn't sure, and now 245 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm super happy I did. That is so rewarding. It 246 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: is so much fun. Laura and I, if they send 247 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: it to one of us, we always share those with 248 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: the other because it's it's so gratifying and fun to 249 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: hear those stories. Absolutely. I also like the ones where 250 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: people decided to have another baby. We've had a few 251 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: of those too, so great. There are some best of 252 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: both world's babies out there, But usually it's that people 253 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: have been getting a lot of negative stories about whether 254 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: it is possible to really put your foot on the 255 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: gas with your career and grow your family, and some people, 256 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's challenging for all of us, and some 257 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: people may decide that they wish to lean back for 258 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: a while or opt out or whatever, or not have 259 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: as many children as they initially thought they wanted for 260 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: various reasons. And that's awesome. But it's also really cool 261 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: when we get the letters of people who said, well, actually, 262 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: it showed me that there are people doing X, Y 263 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: and Z who have two kids, three kids, whatever it is, 264 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: and so those are very fun too. All right, should 265 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: we do our lower moments, there's always some there's always some. 266 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I will say I think that blogging and 267 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: podcasting is more challenging in twenty twenty one than it 268 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: was when we started for several reasons. I guess there's 269 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: just I feel like there's a lot more divisiveness when 270 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: I say something about my life or my experiences. I 271 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: worry about hate mail more than I used to. Or 272 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: maybe that's because I've gotten hate mail so I know 273 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: to worry about it. But I don't know. COVID shaming 274 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: is certainly alive and well, although I think I think 275 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: starting to dissipate a little bit in some spheres. I 276 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: feel like I learned from others whose lives are like 277 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: mine and whose lives are not like mine. But then 278 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: some of the negative feedback we get is like, this 279 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: podcast sucks because their life is not like mine, and 280 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: that hurts because well number one, honestly, leaving a mean 281 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: review with one star is kind of like as a 282 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: little bit of nastiness. I guess you could contact someone 283 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: and give them feedback, but that's going to actually hurt 284 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: our podcast, so it's not very nice, and I just 285 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: don't think that's a great reason. We had a review 286 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: recently which said I unsubscribed immediately after hearing that one 287 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: thing neither of them do is routine cooking and cleaning. Well, 288 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that made you feel something so angry that 289 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: you needed to flounce out and leave a low review. 290 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: But if I did a lot of cooking and cleaning, 291 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: then I couldn't do other things that make me happy. 292 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: And why is that such a bad thing? So I 293 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: guess I don't know it is. We welcome feedback, but 294 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: we are humans. I felt that Laura's tall that side, 295 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: and I haven't pleasantly surprised. Often when I receive feedback 296 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: and I write back, we can often have a kind exchange, 297 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: which is really lovely. Yeah, that is one of the 298 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: surprising things to me about blogging and podcasting in general. 299 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: People will I think some people assume that you're not 300 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: a real person, which I mean, clearly you have to 301 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: be a real person like nobody us a persona who 302 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: just like does this blog about my life in this 303 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: podcast or whatever. But people will send nasty notes and 304 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: I would find that at least half the time when 305 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: I write back, the people be like, WHOA, you wrote back, 306 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: And then you have a much more civil exchange because 307 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: it's suddenly a person who is having a conversation with you. 308 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: And most of us are not given to having, you know, 309 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: rude and attacking conversations with people that we we know, 310 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: and so I think that's something that comes into it. 311 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: You know. The honest truth though, is in life, you 312 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: will never please everyone. It's just a losing game. You 313 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: can't do it. And so if you're going to do 314 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: anything public, anything putting yourself, your voice, your your story 315 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: out there, you are going to be attacked, and that's 316 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: just life. It's not a reason not to do it. 317 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: It's just a reason to realize that it will happen. 318 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: And you just have to be yourself because there is 319 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: nothing else that you can be. One thing I would 320 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: say with some of the criticism that is more common 321 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: in the direction that this is I am fully in 322 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: favor of women succeeding professionally, and when women succeed professionally, 323 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: many of them earn good amounts of money. Like I 324 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: am all in favor of women earning gobs of money, 325 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: and if they do, we will talk about what strategies 326 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: they use to make their big careers and their lives work. 327 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: And I think that many people who have criticized from 328 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: that angle are in favor of female empowerment. Like it's 329 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: not that they don't believe women should do great things. 330 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: I just, you know, I guess they don't want to 331 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: talk about their lives once they do. I don't know, really, 332 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm sure I'll get hate mail for having 333 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: said that too, But I love that. The title of 334 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: a new book that just came out, it's called we 335 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: Should All Be Millionaires. I was like, Wow, that's just 336 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: really so unapologetic. So if people go check that out, 337 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: Rachel Rogers, we should have her on Yes, a self made, 338 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: a self made black woman millionaire. If people blow their 339 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: minds that way, they shouldn't because there's many of them. 340 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's a great topic for a book. Anyway, 341 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: moving on our favorite interviews from the past, I went 342 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: the past one hundred only yeah, past one hundred. Okay, 343 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: go for it. Okay, Well, number one, I have to 344 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: shout out to my sister, which was episode one hundred 345 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: and sixty five. She at the time, I think my niece, 346 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: Miriam was only you know, a few months old. But 347 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: my sister is a single woman, single mother by choice, 348 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: and also a small business owner, so she actually does 349 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: have a really unique perspective. Plus she's my sister, so 350 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: it was a really fun interview to do. Should we 351 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: take turns? Let's take turns? Well, I mean we have 352 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: some of the same ones. Interestingly, so doctor Laura Erdman, 353 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: I think you may have mentioned her too. She was 354 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: the guest who talked well. So I did my list 355 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: of like specific things I've learned from guests. So not 356 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: not my favorite guest, because I love all our guests, 357 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: but the things I've learned actually listening to this. So 358 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: doctor Laura Erdman is a obgyn who specializes to some 359 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: degree in perimenopause and menopause, and so she shared a 360 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: lot of information about hormones and what people can expect 361 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: as they enter their late thirties early forties, which happens 362 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: to be a big chunk of our listeners. So we 363 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: got a lot of great feedback on that, and I 364 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: thought that was a very helpful episode as well. That 365 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: was number one hundred and sixty nine. Lanie Lannie I 366 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: always pronounce the wrong It's Lannie in Linder was episode 367 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: number one forty one, and I know you listed this 368 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: as well. You mentioned her power color concept, which I love, 369 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: and I also just got really I don't know if 370 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: I have one concept, but I just felt really empowered 371 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: to focus on my work wardrobe and then ended up 372 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: working with kind of in a partnership with her and 373 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: did greatly improve my everyday working wardrobe as a result 374 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: of that episode. So that was an impactful one for me. Yeah, 375 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: we are now the proud owners of some Unicloth draping 376 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: t shirts which hot tip are slightly nicer than your 377 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: average T shirt. And they're also like ten bucks or something, 378 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: so you can order a lot of them and it's great. 379 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: So Lannie another tip, she had the top five things 380 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: everyone needs in their wardrobe and one of them was 381 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: a power color. So you know what color it is 382 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: for you that people are like, oh, that looks really 383 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: nice on you, or is that a new shirt or 384 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: did you cut your hair? It's usually because you're wearing 385 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: something awesome. That's a great color, and you should wear 386 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: more of that. So another one Shasta Nelson, our friendship expert. 387 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: So she was in last fall, I think September or 388 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: August somewhere around there. Her new book was out called 389 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: The Business of Friendship, which is about making friends at work. 390 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: But I've since read more of her work and had 391 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: before as well, and she shared the message that friendship 392 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: is really about repeated contact and that is why it 393 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: seemed so much easier to make friends like when you 394 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: were in school, because you could see each other five 395 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: days a week. You are playing on the playground together, 396 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: and why it is so much harder as an adult 397 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: because you are not seeing your friends so regularly over 398 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: and over again. However, many people are seeing their colleagues 399 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: five days a week, similar to your classmates at school. 400 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: And so that's why it can be a great way 401 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: to make friends if you turn some of those work 402 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: friends into kind of real friends or at least make 403 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: it a part of your workplace life that you enjoy 404 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: a great deal more. And she offers some suggestions on 405 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: how to do that. So I thought that was a 406 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: great episode. That was a great episode, one of my 407 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: just all time favorites in terms of like enjoyment of recording. 408 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: It was the one that we did one fight with 409 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: Richie Holmes Grant, who made a career basically out of 410 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: a hobby, which was making table scapes, and she really 411 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: made a career out of it. Like she's been on 412 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: anyv She's got a thriving Instagram and kind of social 413 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: influencer type presence, and you can just tell she loves 414 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: what she does and now she's kind of, I don't 415 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: want to say, grooming her daughter, but encouraging her daughter 416 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: to follow suit. And it was just something I knew 417 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: nothing about and just open my mind to that. I 418 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: think she's like one of the only career influencers I 419 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: we've had on our podcast. But I thought she did 420 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: a great job. Yeah, I love Ritchie. She's awesome and 421 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: I love looking at her tablescapes on Instagram, so people 422 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: go check her out. I had a great tip from 423 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: Sarah Powers. Now I don't remember if some of these 424 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: are going to go further back than hundred, because I 425 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: didn't know we were only doing the last hundred, but 426 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: that's okay. Sarah Powers is the co host of The 427 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: Mom Hour, and she mentioned in the Evenings with Little Kids, 428 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: back when her kids were small, she would sort of 429 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: shrink the area. And I love that idea that you 430 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: sort of get everything you need and go into like 431 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: one room upstairs, and that you're not going out of 432 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: that room. It sort of makes the whole evening more 433 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: contained and more doable, it feels than if you're chasing 434 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: three small people around the whole house. So that was 435 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: just a practical tip that you know, if you can 436 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: start shutting doors and reducing the physical space, you might 437 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: be able to keep a better handle on that evening craziness. Finally, 438 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: I will mention one of my favorite kind of pandemic 439 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: themed guests was with Kelly Freyden, who we were I 440 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: think connected to maybe via Emily Auster who we've also 441 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: had on Emily is now kind of I feel like 442 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: getting some a lot of press throughout this pandemic, some 443 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: of it mixed, although I like a lot of what 444 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: she has to say. But doctor Kelly Fraden was a 445 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 1: pediatrician with a lot of evidence based kind of thoughts 446 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: about how to handle the pandemic with kids, and I 447 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: thought she did a really great job just kind of 448 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: providing a nice balanced perspective that we all needed at 449 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, and now I'm not really sure how 450 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: far I'm going back here. But another great tip and 451 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: we'll stop with mine on this one, but Cassie Joy Garcia, 452 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,479 Speaker 1: who runs the Fed and Fit blog, she says, if 453 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: you're going to meal prep on the weekend, do it 454 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: by thinking yourself as your own sous chef, prepping ingredients 455 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: so you can easily assemble meals later. And I love 456 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: this because I know that some people are given to 457 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: spending all Sunday cooking for the week ahead, and I 458 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: always just viscerally disliked that idea of spending your whole 459 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: Sunday prepping for the week ahead. But she's saying, if 460 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: you're going to do it, do it this way. That 461 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: you're still gonna be able to make fresh meals. You're 462 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: not pulling the frozen lasagna out of the freezer and 463 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: defrosting it to make it. You just have you know, 464 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: maybe pre cooked chicken or pre cut veggies or something 465 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: that you can easily assemble a dinner later. And so 466 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: I thought that that was a better take on the 467 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: concept and probably makes for better food too. She's got 468 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: some great cookbooks, good recipes, so go check her out. Yeah, 469 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: she was one of my favorite food guests as well. 470 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: She was great. All right, should we talk about what 471 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: we learn from each other? Yes, let's talk about what 472 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: we learn from each other. I mean, honestly, my list 473 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: could be very, very long, but it doesn't. Should be short. 474 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: My short list of things that I have learned from 475 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: Laura over the past two hundred episodes or so, just 476 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: to let go of a lot of guilt and judgment 477 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: and ask myself if I'm going down a guilty road, 478 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: like do I need to be what would Laura say? 479 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely a face because of my head 480 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: questioning the narrative and switching the genders around. If something 481 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: kind of seems gender based, then tell the story backwards 482 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: and it will often reveal the truth. My husband actually 483 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: really likes this one. I think it's eye opening to him. 484 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: Sometimes something will sound normal and like, you know, a 485 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: dad works very hard and is away from his children 486 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: for fifty hours, and like if the mom did that, Like, 487 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: would you feel the same kind of okay about it? 488 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: Like maybe you what? I'm not saying yes or no, 489 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: But sometimes flipping helps us to view my week in 490 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty eight hours. Of course, not every 491 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: day has to be balanced. There's a lot of time 492 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: in those one hundred and sixty eight hours. And finally, 493 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: what we talked about recently, which is like, don't let 494 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: one bad day necessarily spiral into a story that changes 495 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: everything because it doesn't necessarily have to. Yeah, well that's good. 496 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: I'm glad you got that. Sometimes I need to remind 497 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: myself of those things. I think one thing I got 498 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: from Sarah that is surprisingly practical and useful. It's the 499 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: weekend email. So I had heard I don't know if 500 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: on her blog or if she'd mentioned it here, but 501 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: that Sarah sends her and Josh is copying yourself so 502 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: you can have a record of it too. But the 503 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: cruise director email about the weekend plan, and as our 504 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: weekends became more and more complex, I realized it was 505 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: good to do that. It forced me to think through 506 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: it as well, because then I start to see like, oh, yeah, 507 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: we have this time available, this time is not available. 508 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna need to figure something out here because we 509 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: have to be three different places. There are two of us, 510 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: and so every Thursday I tend to send Michael an email. 511 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: I often put a question in there to check that 512 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: it is being read. Now I will say he does 513 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: read it because he has learned that there is a 514 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: question in it that if if the question is not 515 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: responded to, there will be following like is it okay 516 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: if I throw out your favorite ten T shirts? Okay? Thanks? 517 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: That something he would have liked to have answered. I 518 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: will assume yes. If no response a response. You know, 519 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: I have not sent the weekend email since COVID, but 520 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: I probably should start to get back. Yeah, it's really 521 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: it's very useful. Well, I wasn't sending it. I wasn't 522 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: sending it during COVID, and then when it's like I 523 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: knew things were kicking back up, when I'm like, oh, 524 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: I should start sending their weekend email again. But you know, 525 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: it's been good. It's how we can make sure we 526 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: both have some time to do things, how we get 527 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: to everyone's events. So that was one hundred percent coppied 528 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: from Sarah. And then I mean the fact that there 529 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: is a whole world of planners out there that I 530 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: did not know about, and it's just broadening my life 531 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: in all sorts of ways. As I listened to Best 532 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: Laid Plans every week I've been listening to. I was 533 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: listening We're recording this on a Monday, and I was 534 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: listening to it in the car this morning as I 535 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: was dropping children off at school. So I've been learning 536 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: about the cool pens, all the different options I can have. 537 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: This week it was about if I wanted a more 538 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: masculine style planner. Oh, you're super up to date. Oh goodness, 539 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: all of them. Of course, that was this morning. That 540 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: was just so impressive. So if you would ever do 541 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: me the honor of allowing me to buy you a planner, 542 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: if we could discuss what you would like in one, 543 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh that's great. I love that would be very excited. Okay, 544 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: And I even have like various credits so I could 545 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: do it in an easy manner. Oh yeah, I am 546 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: all about that. I was. I'm almost done with my 547 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: current notebook from Target because we don't want to waste that. 548 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Okay, we'll have to discuss this off. Well, 549 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm seriously excited. Okay, all right. Well, see if you 550 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: know enough of my planning method or non method, as 551 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: the case may be, that you can can do that. 552 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, And I also just I mean so appreciate 553 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: from Sarah that she's so authentic on her blog, like 554 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: and you guys see that those of you who read 555 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: her blog like all that she's willing to share. I 556 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: am probably not as brave as as she is, so 557 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm learning that from from Sarah. And you know, just 558 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's been so fun to watch how your 559 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: career has grown, I mean, your sheer ability to craft 560 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: your career with multiple different aspects of the things you're 561 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: interested in. As I mean take away from that, like 562 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: what could I what could I do differently? What should 563 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: I try? It's very inspirational. Well, thank you. I think 564 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: you have a pretty cool career, so I don't think 565 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: you need to mess with that too much. But no, 566 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: I've been lucky and I'm also lucky that my readers 567 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: are generally really really nice, or else I don't think 568 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: I could be as open and or reckless as I sometimes. 569 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: Let's call it open not reckless. Yes, all right, So 570 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: let's do our Love of the week, which is best 571 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: of both worlds. Of course, two hundred episodes in yay. 572 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: If you enjoy us, please leave a rating or review. 573 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: If you don't like us, maybe just don't like us silently, 574 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier. That's fine. If you're still 575 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: lifting listening up to two hundred episodes, or maybe you 576 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: just stumbled on the two hundredth episode and like, who 577 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: on earth are these people? That's fine. But if you 578 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: like us, please leave a rating or a review. All right, 579 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: So we have a question from a listener who's this 580 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: was an audio one the steam Pipe. If you go 581 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: over to Sarah's blog and click on best Laid Plans, 582 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: that's where she's got the widget First Team Pipe. You 583 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: can spe speak pipe. I speak steam pipe. What would 584 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: what on earth would steampipe be? I don't know. I 585 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: need any steampunk version of the steam punp version of this. Yes, 586 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: you don't have to do that. I speak pipe. You 587 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: can leave a up to ninety second question and so 588 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: just say it's for best of both worlds, or we 589 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: can try to figure it out too. All right, so 590 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: let's listen to the question. Hi, Sarah and Laura. I'm 591 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: a mom of three and my youngest child is six 592 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: months old. After a few months of part time teleworking 593 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: with my baby, I will be returning to full time 594 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: teleworking with a nanny and my home while my big 595 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: kids are at school. I am nursing and plan to 596 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: continue to nurse baby throughout the day rather than pumping 597 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: and bottle feeding. This is my first time teleworking with 598 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: the baby in the same home, so I would love 599 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: to hear from Laura about what challenges I may encounter, 600 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: tips for managing these, and how to prepare myself, my baby, 601 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: and my nanny for success, particularly as baby gets into 602 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: that age of separation anxiety. Thanks so much, all right, Sarah, 603 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: do you have any quick thoughts on that one? I mean, 604 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: you've worked from home some over the past year or so, well, 605 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: you are definitely the experts. Why don't you go first 606 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: and I'll see if I have anything to add Because 607 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: I never actually did get to work at home with 608 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: a baby that's true. So it's great to have this 609 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: option to work at home when you have a baby, 610 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: because it means you don't have to pump, or at 611 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: least you don't have to pump as much. Some people 612 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: may decide to have a feeding be pumped during the day, 613 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: but have others be not, and that's whatever, perfectly or choice. 614 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: And if you want to pump all of them, that's great. 615 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,239 Speaker 1: But if you did not enjoy pumping, and I think 616 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: a great many people do not particularly enjoy pumping, this 617 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: presents another option. So you and your caregiver will need 618 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: to work out something of a schedule, and you're going 619 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: to be dealing with each other a lot because there 620 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: will be certain things like you'll decide, okay, roughly, I'm 621 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: going to try to take a break between ten and 622 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: ten thirty for a feeding, but it's possible, like a 623 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: call might run long, or you know, you need to 624 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: move it up a little bit, So there's going to 625 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: be a back and forth, and so probably the two 626 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: of you will be texting each other a lot. I mean, 627 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. You'll get into sort 628 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: of rhythms of okay, well, this is a good time 629 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: for her to take the baby out because it would 630 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: be great if the house was silent during this period 631 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: of time. But then, you know, this is the time 632 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: when the baby is generally napping or whatever. It's just 633 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: you'll come up with a good schedule, but it will 634 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: take some time to get into that rhythm, and then 635 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: of course the baby will change. So just plan on 636 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: there being a little bit of flexibility into your day. 637 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: There needed to be a little bit of flexibility for that. 638 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: I've sort of figured out work I could do while 639 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: nursing because you can definitely read through your emails or 640 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, read through the notes for an upcoming meeting 641 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. There are also people you can 642 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: talk to while nursing a baby. There are probably people 643 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: you shouldn't talk to while nursing a baby, but you 644 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: could sort of organize the people in your life into 645 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: those two camps and attempt to time your calls or 646 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: make your calls with that in mind. But you know, 647 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: I think you shouldn't worry about it too much, especially 648 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: if your caregiver knows that it's okay to take the 649 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: baby out and go do stuff, Because your caregiver may 650 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: feel a little weird about being in the house with you, 651 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: if this person's past experience has been people who have 652 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: been out and about at their jobs, but especially if 653 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: you do have a separate home office and they have 654 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: the flexibility to come and go, it's just going to 655 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: be more of a tag team kind of thing. And 656 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: that's great because you'll get to spend some time with 657 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: your baby and be able to continue nursing and not 658 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: have to deal with the pump. That all makes sense. 659 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: I think making sure that you remain open to it 660 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: being a little bit chaotic, especially in a beg, is 661 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: probably important. It's probably not going to run perfectly smooth 662 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: right away, as Laura said, and try not to micromanage 663 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: too much. I think with babies sometimes, and I know 664 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: there are some others that swear by, like very specific 665 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: schedules and stuff, but I think once you put a 666 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: caregiver into the mix, it is hard to get, you know, 667 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: someone to do things maybe exactly like you would. So 668 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: it's okay to have parameters like don't let the babies 669 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: sleep for all eight hours of the day or you know, 670 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: things like that, but I also think that you know, 671 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: they may want to do a walk in the morning, 672 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: or and they may want to. You know, they may 673 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: not put the baby exactly down for the nap when 674 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: you think is ideal, But in retrospect those things probably 675 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: don't matter as much as they seem to at the moment, 676 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: So I would just keep an open mind. If baby 677 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: is happy and not sleeping the entire day away so 678 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: that they're awake all night, then you're probably good. Yeah, exactly, 679 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: all right. Well, this has been Best of Both Worlds 680 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: Episode two hundred, celebrating our two hundred episode of sharing 681 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: ways to make work and life fit together. So we 682 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: will be back next week with more of that for 683 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: episode two hundred and one. Thanks for listening. You can 684 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at 685 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me 686 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the 687 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: Best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time 688 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: for more on making work and life work together.