1 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:31,610 Speaker 1: Pushkin. In June nineteen ten, two ships set sail from Europe. 2 00:00:32,250 --> 00:00:34,970 Speaker 1: One of them was captained by Robert Falcon Scott of 3 00:00:35,010 --> 00:00:39,010 Speaker 1: the British Navy, representing the most powerful empire the world 4 00:00:39,050 --> 00:00:42,530 Speaker 1: had ever seen. The other ship was led by Roald 5 00:00:42,570 --> 00:00:46,250 Speaker 1: Amundson of Norway, a small country that had gained its 6 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:51,530 Speaker 1: independence just five years before. Both men had the same goal. 7 00:00:52,170 --> 00:00:55,290 Speaker 1: They burned to be the first in history to reach 8 00:00:55,370 --> 00:01:00,490 Speaker 1: the South Pole, planting their national flag. This wasn't about 9 00:01:00,690 --> 00:01:04,970 Speaker 1: imperial conquest. The South Pole had no gold, or spices 10 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:10,370 Speaker 1: or slaves. It was all about the symbolism. The age 11 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:14,010 Speaker 1: of exploration was largely over. Most of the world had 12 00:01:14,010 --> 00:01:19,570 Speaker 1: been thoroughly mapped, with one big exception the vast interior 13 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:25,130 Speaker 1: of the icy continent of Antarctica. No human feet had 14 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:29,010 Speaker 1: ever trodden on the Earth's most southerly point. Of course, 15 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:30,850 Speaker 1: the British wanted to be the first to reach it. 16 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:34,130 Speaker 1: Over the centuries, they'd grown used to thinking of themselves 17 00:01:34,170 --> 00:01:38,610 Speaker 1: as the greatest explorers in the world. Robert Scott's British 18 00:01:38,650 --> 00:01:43,170 Speaker 1: ship carried what one historian called the largest, best equipped 19 00:01:43,170 --> 00:01:47,770 Speaker 1: scientific team ever sent to Antarctica. It carried three state 20 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:52,010 Speaker 1: of the art motorized sleds, along with Siberian dogs and ponies, 21 00:01:52,330 --> 00:01:56,610 Speaker 1: and a crew of sixty five. This little army set 22 00:01:56,650 --> 00:01:58,850 Speaker 1: sail from London in front of a crowd of the 23 00:01:58,930 --> 00:02:04,010 Speaker 1: Empire's finest. The American polar explorer Robert Bartlett was there, 24 00:02:04,410 --> 00:02:07,450 Speaker 1: noting that nobody had ever given him such a send off. 25 00:02:07,970 --> 00:02:11,050 Speaker 1: There were gold lays and cock hats and dignitaries enough 26 00:02:11,090 --> 00:02:13,530 Speaker 1: to run a navy. I couldn't help comparing all this 27 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:17,890 Speaker 1: formality with the shoddy, almost sneering attitude of the American public. 28 00:02:19,130 --> 00:02:22,530 Speaker 1: One of Scott's crew was almost overwhelmed by the crowd 29 00:02:22,570 --> 00:02:26,450 Speaker 1: of onlookers. The cheers from the many thousands of throats 30 00:02:26,970 --> 00:02:30,530 Speaker 1: fairly made the air quiver on that blazing summer afternoon 31 00:02:32,250 --> 00:02:37,250 Speaker 1: rolled Amunson's Norwegian vessel was much smaller. It carried no 32 00:02:37,450 --> 00:02:41,970 Speaker 1: motorized sleds or ponies, only dogs and a crew of 33 00:02:42,050 --> 00:02:47,890 Speaker 1: just nineteen. It sailed at midnight without ceremony or celebration, 34 00:02:48,770 --> 00:02:54,650 Speaker 1: a ghost chip slipping out into the Norwegian Fiords. Nobody 35 00:02:54,690 --> 00:02:58,210 Speaker 1: in Norway was excited about Amunson's bold thrust to beat 36 00:02:58,250 --> 00:03:00,890 Speaker 1: the British to the South Pole, and there was a 37 00:03:00,930 --> 00:03:04,970 Speaker 1: reason for that. He had told everyone he was heading 38 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:10,090 Speaker 1: to the North Pole instead. It's hard to imagine a 39 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:15,810 Speaker 1: more uneven contest. Scott's expedition was far larger and far 40 00:03:15,890 --> 00:03:20,130 Speaker 1: better funded, underwritten by the British Navy and supported by 41 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:24,730 Speaker 1: public and private donations from across the British Empire. There 42 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:29,210 Speaker 1: could be only one winner, and it was already obvious 43 00:03:29,570 --> 00:03:34,650 Speaker 1: who it would be. I'm Tim Harford, and you're listening 44 00:03:35,090 --> 00:04:04,130 Speaker 1: to cautionary tales. Remember the biblical story of David and Goliath. 45 00:04:04,850 --> 00:04:08,850 Speaker 1: An Israelite shepherd boy with the humblest weapon imaginable, a sling, 46 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:14,210 Speaker 1: defeats Goliath, the Philistine champion, a fully armed man mountain. 47 00:04:15,050 --> 00:04:18,170 Speaker 1: King Saul of the Israelites is against the plan. You 48 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:21,010 Speaker 1: cannot go against this philistine to do battle with him, 49 00:04:21,290 --> 00:04:23,290 Speaker 1: for you are a lad. Then he is a man 50 00:04:23,370 --> 00:04:28,050 Speaker 1: of war from his youth. But David fights Goliath anyway 51 00:04:28,850 --> 00:04:37,410 Speaker 1: and winds easily. Malcolm Gladwell's book David and Goliath has 52 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:41,450 Speaker 1: some interesting things to say about this fight. Goliath wasn't 53 00:04:41,530 --> 00:04:44,930 Speaker 1: quite as fearsome as he seemed. He was at least 54 00:04:44,970 --> 00:04:48,970 Speaker 1: six ft nine, but humans aren't built to be that big. 55 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:53,090 Speaker 1: One plausible explanation is that Goliath was suffering from a 56 00:04:53,130 --> 00:04:57,410 Speaker 1: medical condition which causes the production of too much growth hormone. 57 00:04:57,930 --> 00:05:04,090 Speaker 1: It also often causes double vision. Goliath looked terrifying, but 58 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:07,970 Speaker 1: he may well have had difficulty moving and difficulty focusing. 59 00:05:09,610 --> 00:05:12,850 Speaker 1: In the Race to the South Pole, Robert Falcon Scott 60 00:05:13,010 --> 00:05:19,010 Speaker 1: was Goliath, apparently the overwhelming favorite, but in reality in 61 00:05:19,090 --> 00:05:25,530 Speaker 1: a hopeless position. Just in case you don't know how 62 00:05:25,530 --> 00:05:31,210 Speaker 1: the race unfolds, Scott's mission ends in utter failure. For 63 00:05:31,330 --> 00:05:34,210 Speaker 1: more than a century, people have been arguing about why. 64 00:05:35,490 --> 00:05:37,370 Speaker 1: On one side of the argument, to those who say 65 00:05:37,410 --> 00:05:41,530 Speaker 1: Scott was terribly unlucky, in particular with the weather. On 66 00:05:41,570 --> 00:05:44,770 Speaker 1: the other side, of those who say Scott was an incompetent, 67 00:05:45,050 --> 00:05:48,570 Speaker 1: that he chose the wrong methods, took needless risks, and 68 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:52,330 Speaker 1: at critical moments he made the wrong calls. If it 69 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:56,050 Speaker 1: wasn't bad luck or bad judgment, then how else could 70 00:05:56,050 --> 00:06:00,850 Speaker 1: such a well resourced expedition fail. But Goliath didn't lose 71 00:06:00,890 --> 00:06:04,050 Speaker 1: because he was unlucky or because he was foolish. He 72 00:06:04,170 --> 00:06:08,370 Speaker 1: lost because the apparent underdog was actually in a vastly 73 00:06:08,450 --> 00:06:13,370 Speaker 1: superior position all along. We'll explore the causes of Scott's 74 00:06:13,370 --> 00:06:17,410 Speaker 1: problems in a moment, but first let's describe the symptoms. 75 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:22,410 Speaker 1: His expedition was so large that scott ship was overloaded 76 00:06:22,410 --> 00:06:26,410 Speaker 1: with men, fuel, motorized sledges, and ponies, and it nearly 77 00:06:26,450 --> 00:06:31,610 Speaker 1: sank before reaching Antarctica. Conditions on ship were miserable. The 78 00:06:31,690 --> 00:06:35,810 Speaker 1: crew ate their meals from a table directly underneath where 79 00:06:35,810 --> 00:06:40,290 Speaker 1: the ponies were being stabled. The yellow substance that dribbled 80 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:42,770 Speaker 1: down to the cracks in the wooden deck onto their 81 00:06:42,810 --> 00:06:49,250 Speaker 1: table was euphemistically called mustard. Things were hardly more comfortable 82 00:06:49,330 --> 00:06:53,010 Speaker 1: once Scott arrived in Antarctica. The British went to a 83 00:06:53,050 --> 00:06:56,610 Speaker 1: base that Scott and others had established years before on 84 00:06:56,850 --> 00:07:00,050 Speaker 1: Ross Island, just off the coast of the Antarctic continent. 85 00:07:00,810 --> 00:07:03,290 Speaker 1: It was further away from the South Pole than where 86 00:07:03,290 --> 00:07:07,010 Speaker 1: Amunson made his base camp, and not without its dangers. 87 00:07:07,890 --> 00:07:11,090 Speaker 1: One man ventured onto ice flow to photographs some killer 88 00:07:11,130 --> 00:07:15,010 Speaker 1: whales and nearly ended up as their lunch. The ship 89 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:19,210 Speaker 1: was within sixty yards and I heard wild shouts. Look out, 90 00:07:19,330 --> 00:07:23,410 Speaker 1: run jumpman, jump, run quick. But I could not run. 91 00:07:24,490 --> 00:07:26,290 Speaker 1: It was all I could do to keep my feet 92 00:07:26,330 --> 00:07:29,010 Speaker 1: as I leapt from piece to piece of the rocking ice, 93 00:07:29,770 --> 00:07:33,330 Speaker 1: with the whales a few yards behind me, snorting and 94 00:07:33,490 --> 00:07:39,210 Speaker 1: glowing among the ice blocks. He made it back to safety, 95 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:42,850 Speaker 1: with Captain Scott exclaiming, my God, that was about the 96 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:46,930 Speaker 1: nearest squeak I ever saw. Then came the unloading of 97 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:51,410 Speaker 1: the ship. It did not go well. We realized that 98 00:07:51,450 --> 00:07:54,970 Speaker 1: the ice was getting very rotten, wrote one crewman. But 99 00:07:55,090 --> 00:07:57,290 Speaker 1: when a message came back from an anxious Scott the 100 00:07:57,450 --> 00:08:00,210 Speaker 1: hurry with the unloading. No one had the courage or 101 00:08:00,250 --> 00:08:03,410 Speaker 1: the sense to ignore it. They were unloading one of 102 00:08:03,450 --> 00:08:07,010 Speaker 1: the three motorized sledges. The ship party had got the 103 00:08:07,010 --> 00:08:10,410 Speaker 1: sledge down onto the ice, when, with warning Williamson went 104 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:13,570 Speaker 1: through to his thighs. The motor sledge suddenly dipped, the 105 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:16,530 Speaker 1: ice gave way, and she fell with all her weight 106 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:19,930 Speaker 1: vertically on the rope. The rope began cutting through the 107 00:08:19,930 --> 00:08:22,570 Speaker 1: thin ice. Man after man was forced to let go. 108 00:08:26,410 --> 00:08:28,970 Speaker 1: The sledge is now resting on the bottom at a 109 00:08:29,010 --> 00:08:32,850 Speaker 1: depth of one hundred and twenty fathoms. It was a 110 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:37,730 Speaker 1: terrifying moment, and an expensive one. Scott had paid about 111 00:08:37,770 --> 00:08:41,450 Speaker 1: as much for his three motorized sledges as Amundson had 112 00:08:41,530 --> 00:08:47,330 Speaker 1: raised to fund his entire expedition. After months preparing depots 113 00:08:47,330 --> 00:08:50,330 Speaker 1: and sheltering from the winter, Scott was ready to make 114 00:08:50,370 --> 00:08:53,810 Speaker 1: his attempt at the South Pole. Despite the loss of 115 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:56,490 Speaker 1: one motor sledge, he still had two more of them, 116 00:08:56,650 --> 00:08:59,730 Speaker 1: plus packs of dogs, a team of ponies, and the 117 00:08:59,810 --> 00:09:03,970 Speaker 1: time on a tradition of the British Navy donning harnesses 118 00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:07,810 Speaker 1: and hauling the sledges by hand with sheer British grit 119 00:09:07,930 --> 00:09:13,010 Speaker 1: and endurance. The British had long experience of this man 120 00:09:13,090 --> 00:09:17,810 Speaker 1: hauling of sledges in polar regions. One disastrous expedition to 121 00:09:17,850 --> 00:09:22,130 Speaker 1: the Arctic in eighteen seventy five required man hauling. Here's 122 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:26,290 Speaker 1: the conclusion of a survivor. I would confine everyone who 123 00:09:26,330 --> 00:09:30,010 Speaker 1: proposed such a thing in a lunatic asylum, burn every 124 00:09:30,050 --> 00:09:35,850 Speaker 1: sledge in existence, and destroy the patterns long experience, as 125 00:09:35,890 --> 00:09:39,450 Speaker 1: I say, But the British Navy had not learned from 126 00:09:39,490 --> 00:09:43,770 Speaker 1: that long experience. With the luxury of these varied modes 127 00:09:43,810 --> 00:09:47,850 Speaker 1: of transport available, Scott chose to try them all. You 128 00:09:47,930 --> 00:09:53,210 Speaker 1: might think that would give him flexibility. Instead, it constrained him. 129 00:09:53,370 --> 00:09:56,770 Speaker 1: Scott's ponies were poorly adapted to the cold, so he 130 00:09:56,890 --> 00:10:00,570 Speaker 1: decided to start later in the spring. Even then, the 131 00:10:00,650 --> 00:10:05,770 Speaker 1: ponies struggled. They traveled slowly, hooves sinking deep into the snow. 132 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:08,770 Speaker 1: Scott decided it would be better for the ponies to 133 00:10:08,810 --> 00:10:12,450 Speaker 1: travel at night, when the colder temperatures might mean firmer 134 00:10:12,490 --> 00:10:18,210 Speaker 1: conditions under their hoofs. It was miserable. Huge icicles form 135 00:10:18,330 --> 00:10:22,370 Speaker 1: under the ponies noises during the march. Scott's two remaining 136 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:26,410 Speaker 1: motorized sledges broke down early in the expedition. Nobody on 137 00:10:26,450 --> 00:10:29,210 Speaker 1: his team had the mechanical expertise to fix them, so 138 00:10:29,410 --> 00:10:32,690 Speaker 1: he had to abandon them and man haul the sledges instead. 139 00:10:33,330 --> 00:10:36,250 Speaker 1: The man hauled sledges work even slower than the ponies. 140 00:10:36,890 --> 00:10:41,090 Speaker 1: Scott's expedition was a patchwork caravan, from which the ponies 141 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:43,490 Speaker 1: and the dog sleds had to keep stopping to let 142 00:10:43,570 --> 00:10:46,450 Speaker 1: the man hauld sledges keep up. The dogs do the 143 00:10:46,450 --> 00:10:48,970 Speaker 1: hall march in three hours, and then they have little 144 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:50,930 Speaker 1: else to do for the rest of the day. The 145 00:10:51,010 --> 00:10:54,650 Speaker 1: dogs are doing splendidly. When news reached Scott and his 146 00:10:54,730 --> 00:10:57,970 Speaker 1: team that Amunson was racing them to the pole, they 147 00:10:57,970 --> 00:11:01,290 Speaker 1: correctly surmised that he wouldn't have taken ponies and he 148 00:11:01,330 --> 00:11:04,370 Speaker 1: wouldn't be man hauling any sledges. I must say that 149 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:10,490 Speaker 1: Amondson's chance of having forestalled us looks good. After the losses, 150 00:11:10,850 --> 00:11:15,850 Speaker 1: the accidents, the late start, and the slow progress, Scott's 151 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:20,010 Speaker 1: defeat was now just a matter of time. But why 152 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:25,490 Speaker 1: had such a well resourced expedition run into so many problems? 153 00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:39,050 Speaker 1: When formally announcing the project, Captain Scott could hardly have 154 00:11:39,130 --> 00:11:42,770 Speaker 1: been clearer about his goals. The main object of the 155 00:11:42,850 --> 00:11:46,650 Speaker 1: expedition is to reach the South Pole and to secure 156 00:11:46,810 --> 00:11:51,210 Speaker 1: for the British Empire the honor of this achievement. That was, 157 00:11:51,250 --> 00:11:55,170 Speaker 1: of course what the crowds cheering in London expected. But 158 00:11:55,250 --> 00:11:57,810 Speaker 1: while Scott told the public that the South Pole was 159 00:11:57,850 --> 00:12:01,850 Speaker 1: his focus, he had various other goals in mind. Objective 160 00:12:01,890 --> 00:12:06,850 Speaker 1: number two was scientific progress. No expedition ever left our 161 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:10,930 Speaker 1: shores with a more ambitious scientific program, said the expedition's 162 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:14,970 Speaker 1: second in command, while another expedition member explained, we want 163 00:12:15,090 --> 00:12:18,010 Speaker 1: the scientific work to make the bagging of the pole 164 00:12:18,290 --> 00:12:22,210 Speaker 1: merely an item in the results. The research program included 165 00:12:22,250 --> 00:12:28,130 Speaker 1: work on biology, geology, glaciology, meteorology, measuring the magnetic fields 166 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:31,690 Speaker 1: around the pole, but of course exploration and map making. 167 00:12:32,530 --> 00:12:36,170 Speaker 1: The exploration was no small task, with the British Navy 168 00:12:36,250 --> 00:12:39,210 Speaker 1: supplying many of the men for the mission. Scott needed 169 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:41,450 Speaker 1: to be able to argue that he was finding and 170 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:45,490 Speaker 1: laying claim to new territory on behalf of the British Empire. 171 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:51,410 Speaker 1: But these scientific efforts were exhausting. They required Scott's men 172 00:12:51,530 --> 00:12:55,930 Speaker 1: to take real risks and expend prodigious energy. One of 173 00:12:55,970 --> 00:13:00,170 Speaker 1: the research teams became stranded for an entire winter, surviving 174 00:13:00,210 --> 00:13:03,810 Speaker 1: against extraordinary odds by building a snow cave and killing 175 00:13:03,810 --> 00:13:08,210 Speaker 1: the occasional seal or penguin. Another team of three men 176 00:13:08,250 --> 00:13:11,530 Speaker 1: were aiming for a curious prize, the egg of an 177 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:15,330 Speaker 1: emperor penguin. This that was hoped might shed light on 178 00:13:15,370 --> 00:13:19,930 Speaker 1: the embryology of all primitive birds, including dinosaurs. But to 179 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:23,290 Speaker 1: get the egg, the three unlucky explorers had to make 180 00:13:23,330 --> 00:13:27,490 Speaker 1: a month long journey during the Antarctic winter in total 181 00:13:27,570 --> 00:13:34,810 Speaker 1: darkness and temperatures ranging below minus seventy five fahrenheit. All 182 00:13:34,970 --> 00:13:39,570 Speaker 1: three men nearly died, one of them absolutely. Cherry Garrard 183 00:13:39,890 --> 00:13:43,650 Speaker 1: went on to write the classic book The Worst Journey 184 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:47,890 Speaker 1: in the world. Nobody argues with his choice of title. 185 00:13:49,410 --> 00:13:53,490 Speaker 1: All of these scientific exploits sapped the strength of the team. 186 00:13:54,130 --> 00:13:56,530 Speaker 1: The two men who went with Cherry Garrard on the 187 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:59,690 Speaker 1: Worst Journey in the World then set off with Scott 188 00:13:59,730 --> 00:14:03,050 Speaker 1: to the South Pole. They must have been shattered before 189 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:09,570 Speaker 1: they started. The sheer complexity of the enterprise also challenge 190 00:14:09,610 --> 00:14:14,690 Speaker 1: Scott's managerial abilities. Every long journey in the Antarctic needed 191 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:18,850 Speaker 1: careful planning, with preparatory journeys to set up depots along 192 00:14:18,890 --> 00:14:23,010 Speaker 1: the route stopped with food and fuel. Scott's attention and 193 00:14:23,210 --> 00:14:27,450 Speaker 1: manpower were dissipated by the scientific expeditions. By the time 194 00:14:27,490 --> 00:14:29,490 Speaker 1: he came to set up his depots for the journey 195 00:14:29,530 --> 00:14:33,210 Speaker 1: to the Pole, his supplies were sparse, leaving little margin 196 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:36,930 Speaker 1: for error if something went wrong, if instruments broke, which 197 00:14:37,010 --> 00:14:40,090 Speaker 1: they did, or if food ran low, which it did, 198 00:14:40,450 --> 00:14:43,650 Speaker 1: or if depots were hard to find, which they were, 199 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:50,290 Speaker 1: or if vital fuel leaked, which it did. Scott might 200 00:14:50,330 --> 00:14:53,770 Speaker 1: have been wiser to focus more attention on the South Pole, 201 00:14:54,490 --> 00:14:57,970 Speaker 1: but he didn't really have a choice. The scientific mission 202 00:14:58,170 --> 00:15:01,530 Speaker 1: was regarded as essential by influential patrons, such as the 203 00:15:01,610 --> 00:15:06,530 Speaker 1: Royal Geographical Society, they actively opposed a simple dash to 204 00:15:06,570 --> 00:15:10,810 Speaker 1: the pole. Scott was apt. He had to tell the 205 00:15:10,850 --> 00:15:13,130 Speaker 1: public that the journey was all about the South Pole. 206 00:15:13,610 --> 00:15:16,490 Speaker 1: But he also had to please his mentors and funders 207 00:15:16,810 --> 00:15:20,650 Speaker 1: at the Royal Geographical Society. And it gets worse because 208 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:24,010 Speaker 1: those weren't the only two objectives Scott had to balance. 209 00:15:24,650 --> 00:15:29,050 Speaker 1: Objective number three was to break new technological ground. That's 210 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:33,210 Speaker 1: why Scott was taking those three expensive motorized sleds, a 211 00:15:33,250 --> 00:15:36,890 Speaker 1: decision that infuriated some members of his team. One of them, 212 00:15:37,090 --> 00:15:43,010 Speaker 1: Captain Oates, wrote three motors at three thousand pounds each, 213 00:15:43,970 --> 00:15:48,730 Speaker 1: nineteen ponies at five pounds each, thirty two dogs at 214 00:15:48,850 --> 00:15:53,490 Speaker 1: thirty shillings each. If Scott fails to get to the pole, 215 00:15:54,010 --> 00:15:57,850 Speaker 1: he jolly well deserves it. Remember that one of those 216 00:15:57,890 --> 00:16:01,570 Speaker 1: sledges crashed through the ice and instantly sank to the 217 00:16:01,610 --> 00:16:04,410 Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean, while the others didn't last long 218 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:08,210 Speaker 1: in the brutal conditions. Defenders of Scott say that his 219 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:12,330 Speaker 1: experiments these vehicles were an essential part of learning how 220 00:16:12,370 --> 00:16:16,170 Speaker 1: to make a weatherproof snowmobile, thus laying the foundations for 221 00:16:16,250 --> 00:16:21,170 Speaker 1: Antarctic exploration in the future. True, but the motorized sledge 222 00:16:21,170 --> 00:16:23,850 Speaker 1: cost a huge amount of money, weighed down the ship, 223 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:29,410 Speaker 1: distracted Scott, and weren't much help. Whilst Scott invested huge 224 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:34,290 Speaker 1: amounts in untested technology, Amundsen simply bought a hundred sledge 225 00:16:34,290 --> 00:16:38,050 Speaker 1: dogs for the price of a single motorized sledge he 226 00:16:38,090 --> 00:16:43,210 Speaker 1: could have bought two thousand. Alongside the demands of scientific 227 00:16:43,250 --> 00:16:48,210 Speaker 1: exploration and technological testing, there was yet another goal, this 228 00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:53,810 Speaker 1: one insidious and often unspoken. The British expected that reaching 229 00:16:53,850 --> 00:16:58,250 Speaker 1: the South Pole should be a display of courage and endurance. 230 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:03,890 Speaker 1: Nowadays this is a commonplace. Adventurers climb Everest without oxygenal 231 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:07,370 Speaker 1: sales solo around the world, just to demonstrate that such 232 00:17:07,410 --> 00:17:11,690 Speaker 1: things can be done. Back in nineteen eleven, was the 233 00:17:11,770 --> 00:17:14,690 Speaker 1: goal to reach the South Pole by any means available? 234 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:18,370 Speaker 1: Or was it to reach the South Pole the hard way? 235 00:17:19,610 --> 00:17:23,530 Speaker 1: The British Empire spanned the globe but suffered a creeping 236 00:17:23,650 --> 00:17:27,530 Speaker 1: insecurity that young British chaps were going soft and weak. 237 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:31,330 Speaker 1: Scott knew that he was expected to demonstrate that the 238 00:17:31,370 --> 00:17:37,210 Speaker 1: British were still the fittest of all, and so he vacillated. 239 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:41,290 Speaker 1: Sometimes he focused on the Pole by any means, At 240 00:17:41,290 --> 00:17:44,210 Speaker 1: other times he was keen to do it the right way, 241 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:49,690 Speaker 1: and that meant not relying on dogs. Scott wrote, in 242 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:53,290 Speaker 1: my mind, no journey ever made with dogs can approach 243 00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:57,250 Speaker 1: the height of that fine conception which is realized when 244 00:17:57,290 --> 00:18:00,210 Speaker 1: a party of men go forth to face hardship, dangers, 245 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:05,170 Speaker 1: and difficulties with their own unaided efforts, and by days 246 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:08,690 Speaker 1: and weeks of hard physical neighbor succeed in solving some 247 00:18:08,730 --> 00:18:12,690 Speaker 1: problem of the great unknown. Surely in this case the 248 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:18,450 Speaker 1: conquest is more nobly and splendidly one. Scott's justifications were 249 00:18:18,570 --> 00:18:21,890 Speaker 1: all over the place. Sometimes he seemed to argue that 250 00:18:22,010 --> 00:18:25,810 Speaker 1: dogs wouldn't be useful in mountainous terrain. At other times 251 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:30,130 Speaker 1: he was squeamish about what using dogs involved. That is, 252 00:18:30,610 --> 00:18:33,490 Speaker 1: shooting the poor creatures as you went along and feeding 253 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:37,930 Speaker 1: the corpses to the other dogs not especially noble or splendid. 254 00:18:38,490 --> 00:18:42,090 Speaker 1: But it's clear that he also felt that wealth using 255 00:18:42,130 --> 00:18:46,490 Speaker 1: dogs was sort of cheating. Critics of Scott say that 256 00:18:46,530 --> 00:18:50,170 Speaker 1: this is a man who simply couldn't make up his mind, 257 00:18:52,090 --> 00:19:02,330 Speaker 1: but there was a reason for his ambivalence. At this point, 258 00:19:02,490 --> 00:19:06,570 Speaker 1: I'd like to introduce you to Sir Clement Markham Sir 259 00:19:06,610 --> 00:19:10,330 Speaker 1: Clements was the model of a British gentleman. Portraits of 260 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:14,290 Speaker 1: him show a man in starchy formal wear, dark tie, 261 00:19:14,410 --> 00:19:18,810 Speaker 1: dark waistcoat, dark jacket, with tails, huge pork chop, side 262 00:19:18,810 --> 00:19:23,130 Speaker 1: burns and a disdainful expression as though the portrait photographer 263 00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:28,330 Speaker 1: had just noisily broken wind. Not a man to cross. 264 00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:32,970 Speaker 1: Sir Clements was the leading light of the influential Royal 265 00:19:33,010 --> 00:19:37,050 Speaker 1: Geographical Society. He had held top positions at the Society 266 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:40,810 Speaker 1: for decades, from where he pushed buttons and pulled strings, 267 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:45,130 Speaker 1: bending the society to his will and focusing the British 268 00:19:45,130 --> 00:19:50,090 Speaker 1: elite on the goal of polar exploration. Sir Clements Markham 269 00:19:50,250 --> 00:19:55,570 Speaker 1: was Scott's mentor, godfather to Scott's son named Peter Markham Scott. 270 00:19:56,370 --> 00:20:00,890 Speaker 1: Sir Clements Markham had plucked Scott from obscurity and could 271 00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:06,810 Speaker 1: break his career just as easily. Sir Clements demanded success, 272 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:11,690 Speaker 1: but he also wanted things down his way. First to 273 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:15,690 Speaker 1: the pole, of course, but science should not be sacrificed. 274 00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:20,250 Speaker 1: And from his warm, comfortable desk in London, Sir Clements 275 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:25,290 Speaker 1: had strong views about how things should be done. No ski, 276 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:30,530 Speaker 1: no dogs, dozens hundreds of books have been written about 277 00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:33,570 Speaker 1: the problems that Scott faced in reaching the South Pole. 278 00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:38,490 Speaker 1: All those problems start with the decision not to rely 279 00:20:38,730 --> 00:20:43,490 Speaker 1: on dogs. There's a way to do these things, agreed 280 00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:47,370 Speaker 1: the British establishment, just as the Philistines agreed that a 281 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:51,290 Speaker 1: fight between champions should be done with physical strength, thick 282 00:20:51,410 --> 00:20:56,130 Speaker 1: armor and sharp blades. With a champion like Goliath, David 283 00:20:56,730 --> 00:21:00,330 Speaker 1: begged to differ. He thought it would be easier to 284 00:21:00,450 --> 00:21:04,530 Speaker 1: use a sling, and in much the same spirit Rolled 285 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:08,690 Speaker 1: Amundson thought it would be easier to use dogs. And 286 00:21:08,770 --> 00:21:11,850 Speaker 1: if actually trying to get to the pole as easily 287 00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:15,490 Speaker 1: and quickly as possible, not carry out trials of new 288 00:21:15,530 --> 00:21:19,570 Speaker 1: motorized sledges, not prove a point about human endurance by 289 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:24,850 Speaker 1: hauling sledges by hand, but just win well. Then the 290 00:21:24,930 --> 00:21:29,290 Speaker 1: decision to use dogs is as utterly obvious as David's 291 00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:34,090 Speaker 1: decision to use a sling. Pony hoofs sank in the snow. 292 00:21:34,570 --> 00:21:39,090 Speaker 1: Dog paused. Didn't ponies needed a shelter each night, painstakingly 293 00:21:39,130 --> 00:21:42,850 Speaker 1: built for them by tired men. Dogs simply dug their 294 00:21:42,850 --> 00:21:47,330 Speaker 1: own dems. Ponies had to drag their own had Dogs 295 00:21:47,370 --> 00:21:51,970 Speaker 1: could eat penguins and seals, canned food, or even each other. 296 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:55,810 Speaker 1: And the dog sleds were so much faster than ponies 297 00:21:55,930 --> 00:22:00,290 Speaker 1: or men. With progress so slow, it didn't take long 298 00:22:00,370 --> 00:22:03,930 Speaker 1: for Scott to become angry and despondent. Some of his 299 00:22:03,970 --> 00:22:08,050 Speaker 1: men resented this, others shrugged it off. I quite understand 300 00:22:08,090 --> 00:22:10,730 Speaker 1: his feelings. Bad day like this makes him fear our 301 00:22:10,810 --> 00:22:14,930 Speaker 1: beasts are going to fail us. Scott soon started to 302 00:22:14,970 --> 00:22:19,010 Speaker 1: realize that he was beaten, just as Goliath might have 303 00:22:19,090 --> 00:22:22,330 Speaker 1: known he was beaten as soon as he heard David 304 00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:27,290 Speaker 1: Sling start to were But Scott's problems shouldn't have come 305 00:22:27,330 --> 00:22:36,850 Speaker 1: as a surprise to anyone. Cautionary tales will be back 306 00:22:37,330 --> 00:22:47,890 Speaker 1: after this break. It's tempting to say that if Scott 307 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:50,850 Speaker 1: had been a more capable leader, he would simply have 308 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:55,010 Speaker 1: made better choices, keeping Mission Creep on a tight leash 309 00:22:55,170 --> 00:22:59,890 Speaker 1: and deploying his superior resources efficiently by investing more in 310 00:22:59,970 --> 00:23:05,770 Speaker 1: dogs and stocking more and better depots. Perhaps, but Scott 311 00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:09,330 Speaker 1: was by no means the first polar explorer to uggle 312 00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:14,290 Speaker 1: with an over resourced but unfocused expedition. In two thousand 313 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:17,690 Speaker 1: and one, a paper was published in the prestigious Journal 314 00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:22,690 Speaker 1: of Political economy by an economist, Dame Jonathan Karpoff. Kharpov 315 00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:27,050 Speaker 1: studied expeditions in the Arctic, all earlier than the Antarctic 316 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:31,410 Speaker 1: Race between Scott and Amundson. He began by observing that 317 00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:34,730 Speaker 1: from the early nineteenth to the early twentieth century, there 318 00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:38,730 Speaker 1: were nearly one hundred expeditions trying to make progress exploring 319 00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:43,650 Speaker 1: inside the Arctic Circle, for example, aiming to reach the 320 00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:47,890 Speaker 1: North Pole, or seeking the Northwest Passage, a sea route 321 00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:51,010 Speaker 1: from the Atlantic to the Pacific through Canadian waters that 322 00:23:51,170 --> 00:23:55,850 Speaker 1: held out the promise of transforming global trade. Of all 323 00:23:55,890 --> 00:23:59,410 Speaker 1: these expeditions, just over half were private expeditions, and the 324 00:23:59,450 --> 00:24:03,570 Speaker 1: rest were publicly funded. Kharpoff wanted to know who did 325 00:24:03,570 --> 00:24:06,890 Speaker 1: a better job, the publicly funded expeditions or the privately 326 00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:11,850 Speaker 1: funded ones. The public funded expeditions were, says Karpoff, much 327 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:16,090 Speaker 1: better financed than private expeditions. They typically had twice as 328 00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:19,450 Speaker 1: many ships and four times as many crew, but just 329 00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:23,130 Speaker 1: as with Captain Scott, the extra resources didn't seem to 330 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:29,890 Speaker 1: help much. In fact, it didn't help at all. The 331 00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:32,730 Speaker 1: most famous of the public expeditions was led by the 332 00:24:32,770 --> 00:24:36,890 Speaker 1: British Navy Captain Saint John Franklin, who sought the Northwest 333 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:42,770 Speaker 1: Passage in eighteen forty five. It was a disaster. Franklin's 334 00:24:42,810 --> 00:24:45,250 Speaker 1: two ships were trapped in the sea ice, and the 335 00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:50,210 Speaker 1: survivors eventually tried to walk south to safety. There were 336 00:24:50,370 --> 00:24:54,010 Speaker 1: dark rumors of cannibalism, but it's impossible to say if 337 00:24:54,010 --> 00:24:58,250 Speaker 1: those rumors are true because every man died of exposure 338 00:24:58,570 --> 00:25:05,050 Speaker 1: and starvation. Nearly half a century later came in expeditions 339 00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:08,970 Speaker 1: sponsored by the US government and led by Lieutenant Adolphus Green. 340 00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:12,050 Speaker 1: They were trying to get as close to the North 341 00:25:12,050 --> 00:25:14,570 Speaker 1: Pole as they could, and they did set a record, 342 00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:18,170 Speaker 1: but they became cut off from their relief ship, and 343 00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:23,690 Speaker 1: almost everybody on the expedition starved to death. You might 344 00:25:23,770 --> 00:25:27,930 Speaker 1: wonder if publicly funded or publicly supported expeditions suffered greater 345 00:25:27,970 --> 00:25:31,970 Speaker 1: losses because they were attempting more ambitious goals. If so, 346 00:25:32,210 --> 00:25:35,410 Speaker 1: they did not achieve them. The major goals of the 347 00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:39,410 Speaker 1: era were to find traces of Franklin's lost expedition, to 348 00:25:39,570 --> 00:25:42,810 Speaker 1: find and navigate the Northwest Passage, and to reach the 349 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:47,690 Speaker 1: North Pole. Jonathan Karpoff reckons that five expeditions could claim 350 00:25:47,730 --> 00:25:51,370 Speaker 1: a share in achieving those goals. Four of them were 351 00:25:51,410 --> 00:25:56,930 Speaker 1: privately funded. Karpoff concludes that public expeditions had more money, 352 00:25:57,210 --> 00:26:00,450 Speaker 1: larger teams, and more and larger ships, but they suffered 353 00:26:00,490 --> 00:26:03,010 Speaker 1: a higher death rate and they lost more of those ships. 354 00:26:03,530 --> 00:26:06,450 Speaker 1: They were four times more likely to suffer from scurvy, 355 00:26:06,850 --> 00:26:09,410 Speaker 1: and while the public expeditions were running up most of 356 00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:13,210 Speaker 1: the costs, the private expeditions were ticking off most of 357 00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:17,690 Speaker 1: the major achievements. The Northwest Passage was finally navigated in 358 00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:22,530 Speaker 1: nineteen oh five by a tiny, scrappy, privately funded expedition 359 00:26:23,250 --> 00:26:27,330 Speaker 1: led by a bold Norwegian adventurer by the name of 360 00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:35,290 Speaker 1: rold Amundson. So why did the larger, richer public expeditions 361 00:26:35,370 --> 00:26:39,690 Speaker 1: fail so often? Jonathan Kharpoff points to a range of problems. 362 00:26:40,170 --> 00:26:44,410 Speaker 1: They were slow to learn the lessons of experience regarding clothes, diet, shelter, 363 00:26:44,530 --> 00:26:48,770 Speaker 1: and transport. They were more hierarchical, They were poorly prepared, 364 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:52,930 Speaker 1: They suffered from interference and second guessing from bureaucrats back 365 00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:56,250 Speaker 1: home who would never go on the expedition itself, and 366 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:00,530 Speaker 1: a related problem. While the private explorers were completely focused 367 00:27:00,530 --> 00:27:03,290 Speaker 1: on success because that's how you get the book deal 368 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:06,370 Speaker 1: and the lecture tour, the leaders of the public expeditions 369 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:11,050 Speaker 1: were trying not only to succeed, to succeed while operating 370 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:16,210 Speaker 1: in a manner that kept their superiors happy. Scott knew 371 00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:19,370 Speaker 1: the feeling all his problems were the result of the 372 00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:23,730 Speaker 1: contradictory constraints that surrounded him. He had to do important 373 00:27:23,770 --> 00:27:27,570 Speaker 1: scientific work and be first to the pole, and do 374 00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:31,210 Speaker 1: it the British way. In his writing, you can see 375 00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:36,330 Speaker 1: him squirming to resolve these contradictions, but he can't. In 376 00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:39,930 Speaker 1: a letter written to the expedition's treasurer, he explains that 377 00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:42,770 Speaker 1: he would have done things differently if he'd known there'd 378 00:27:42,770 --> 00:27:45,810 Speaker 1: be a race with Amundson. I never realized that there 379 00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:49,130 Speaker 1: was any object in haste this season, or I should 380 00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:52,810 Speaker 1: have brought more dogs as Amondson has done, but then adds, 381 00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:56,530 Speaker 1: I'm not a great believer in dog transport beyond a 382 00:27:56,730 --> 00:28:01,250 Speaker 1: certain point. Scott wasn't the only person to be inconsistent. 383 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:06,250 Speaker 1: Writing after a decade of hindsight, Scott's fellow explorer, absolutely 384 00:28:06,330 --> 00:28:10,970 Speaker 1: Cherry Garrard, explains, we were primary a great scientific expedition 385 00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:14,730 Speaker 1: with the poll as our bait for public support, though 386 00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:17,330 Speaker 1: it was not more important than any other acre of 387 00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:21,450 Speaker 1: the plateau. Yet almost in the same breath, he notes 388 00:28:21,490 --> 00:28:25,210 Speaker 1: that when Amunson beat Scott to the pole, Scott's journey 389 00:28:25,450 --> 00:28:29,690 Speaker 1: was literally laid waste. That was the shock that staggered them. 390 00:28:30,570 --> 00:28:33,130 Speaker 1: There we have it. The South Pole was no big 391 00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:36,570 Speaker 1: deal at all, just a publicity stunt, and failing to 392 00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:42,330 Speaker 1: each at first was a staggering shock. Even today, supporters 393 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:45,890 Speaker 1: of Captain Scott justify his actions in ways that suggest 394 00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:49,730 Speaker 1: the same ambivalence, praising him for his pioneering work on 395 00:28:49,810 --> 00:28:54,010 Speaker 1: motorized sleds, then with barely a pause, also praising him 396 00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:57,210 Speaker 1: for setting himself a physical challenge, just as a twenty 397 00:28:57,210 --> 00:29:01,930 Speaker 1: first century adventurer would do. Isn't there an inconsistency here? 398 00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:06,410 Speaker 1: Of course there is. Whenever Scott tried to focus on 399 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:12,170 Speaker 1: a goal, it swam before his eyes like Goliath. He 400 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:21,130 Speaker 1: was overburdened and seeing double. Scott's final agonized push for 401 00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:25,770 Speaker 1: the pole involved five men dragging their sledges by hand, 402 00:29:26,290 --> 00:29:31,170 Speaker 1: mile by painful mile. When they reached their destination, their 403 00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:36,410 Speaker 1: worst fears were realized. Norwegian flags were flying and greeting 404 00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:42,290 Speaker 1: the Norwegians themselves were long gone. It is a terrible disappointment, 405 00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:48,090 Speaker 1: and I am very sorry for my loyal companions. Great God, 406 00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:54,810 Speaker 1: this is an awful place. Amunson's team had left a 407 00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:58,810 Speaker 1: tempt from which the flags were flying. Inside the tempt, 408 00:29:59,170 --> 00:30:02,730 Speaker 1: Scott found a letter from Amundson to King Harkun of Norway, 409 00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:06,690 Speaker 1: with a cover note requesting that Scott deliver the letter, 410 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:11,090 Speaker 1: thus proving that both Amuson and Scott had reached their goal. 411 00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:16,770 Speaker 1: Scott also found that Amunson had left him some spare equipment, 412 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:21,930 Speaker 1: a courtesy from one explorer to another. Scott searched through 413 00:30:21,930 --> 00:30:26,490 Speaker 1: the supplies, hoping above all to find one thing a 414 00:30:26,610 --> 00:30:30,890 Speaker 1: can of fuel. His own fuel cans were leaking, so 415 00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:34,730 Speaker 1: they were running short. Without fuel, there was no way 416 00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:39,410 Speaker 1: to make drinking water or defrost frozen food. He found 417 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:44,290 Speaker 1: sleeping backs, mittens, a sextant, but no can of fuel. 418 00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:50,970 Speaker 1: That was a blow. Scott's exhausted team turned around. They 419 00:30:51,010 --> 00:30:53,250 Speaker 1: had reached the South Pole, but if they were to 420 00:30:53,250 --> 00:30:55,930 Speaker 1: make it back to base camp, their journey was only 421 00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:58,970 Speaker 1: half done. We have turned up back now on the 422 00:30:58,970 --> 00:31:04,210 Speaker 1: goal of our ambition and must face eight hundred miles 423 00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:09,090 Speaker 1: of solid dragging, and goodbye to most of the day dreams. 424 00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:13,570 Speaker 1: And as the eight hundred miles of solid dragging began, 425 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:18,890 Speaker 1: Scott and his team started to wander whether they would 426 00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:29,890 Speaker 1: make it at all. Scott had been defeated, but there's 427 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:34,690 Speaker 1: more to learn from this cautionary tale. When news reached 428 00:31:34,930 --> 00:31:39,770 Speaker 1: Scott's family of Amunson's victory, two year old Peter Markham, 429 00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:43,850 Speaker 1: Scott turned to his mother, Kathleen Scott, and asked her 430 00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:51,490 Speaker 1: a question, Mummy, is Amunson a good man? Next episode 431 00:31:52,250 --> 00:32:05,290 Speaker 1: will search for an answer. For a list of sources 432 00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:16,970 Speaker 1: plea see Tim Harford dot com. Cautionary Tales is written 433 00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:20,810 Speaker 1: by me Tim Harford with Andrew Wright. 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