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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants podcast Network. Let's roll. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Httle podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. John Schmelk

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Speaker 1: pulled Theatino hopping on for this episode. Joined by front

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Speaker 1: of the program. He's probably been joining us every year

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Speaker 1: for a good eight years now. Joe Cory, who former

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Speaker 1: NFL agent h and now he works for CBS Sports

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Speaker 1: analyzing contracts and all the like. Joel, Good to see him, man.

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Speaker 3: Good to see you guys. How you doing.

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Speaker 1: We're doing great? All right? So contracts have become more

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Speaker 1: complicated over the past few years. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: we all kind of have a handle on them. How

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Speaker 1: I worked with Sony bonuses, parations, roster bonuses, injury guarantees,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff has been pretty clear. But now teams

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Speaker 1: are pretty liberal now in terms of adding Voidier's Joel

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Speaker 1: doing things called option bonuses. So before we open up

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Speaker 1: to the fridging class, I want to touch on that first. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the void yeer situation. I think fans

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Speaker 1: understand why you put void years on. You could basically

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Speaker 1: individual years. Why do you think teams are being more

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Speaker 1: liberal with using these void years and putting them on

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Speaker 1: before contracts even signed in a lot of cases. And

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Speaker 1: do you think, given how the cap just keeps going

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Speaker 1: going to adopt a strategy and is it a sound

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Speaker 4: Well, you didn't see a lot of teams doing void years.

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Speaker 4: Some did, like the Saints the Cowboys before the pandemic

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Speaker 4: year when you had the cap go down, that necessitated

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Speaker 4: a lot of teams deciding, like the Steelers had never

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Speaker 4: done avoid year in a contract, to put voiding dummy

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Speaker 4: years in contracts just to be able to manage the

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Speaker 4: fact that we lost like sixteen million cap space for

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Speaker 4: the previous year. Now, once teams have gotten more comfortable

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Speaker 4: doing it, it's become basically the norm. Some teams have

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Speaker 4: gone to an extreme where they're not only doing voiding

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Speaker 4: dummy years. They're putting a bunch of option bonuses in contracts.

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Speaker 4: I'm explaining to what an option bonus is. An option

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Speaker 4: bonus is essentially like a second signing bonus after either

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Speaker 4: the second or third year of the contract, where you

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Speaker 4: pick up a real year or fake year down the road.

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Speaker 4: The option bonus is pro rated beginning in the year

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Speaker 4: you exercise the option, and it's pro rated just like

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Speaker 4: signing bonus for the life of the contract, up to

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Speaker 4: a maximum of five years. So you used to see

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Speaker 4: maybe one option bonus in a contract. I remember when

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco became the highest paid player in the league,

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Speaker 4: and I think twenty thirteen, that was he had two

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Speaker 4: option bonuses in a contract. That was highly unusual. That

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Speaker 4: was still the case up until a couple of years ago. Now,

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Speaker 4: the guy responsible for this whole multiple option bonus concept

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Speaker 4: people don't. He has three, four or five option bonuses

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Speaker 4: because if you did a regular contract no option bonuses,

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Speaker 4: you might take everything but the minimum based salary then

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Speaker 4: for that particular year. When you do the option bonuses,

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Speaker 4: typically you're taking the base salary down to the minimum.

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Speaker 4: Everything else is signing bonus. The presumption is you're going

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Speaker 4: You pick the right guys, it's no problem because like

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts, they're probably going to extend him at some

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Speaker 4: point of all those fake dumb years we turned into

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Speaker 4: real contract years and extension at some point down the road.

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Speaker 4: But if you pick the wrong guy, not only do

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Speaker 4: and that keeps adding up, so you could have multiple

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Speaker 4: dead money if you've got a guy that didn't pan

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Speaker 4: out you started doing that with. Or there's a case

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Speaker 4: this year there's someone who wants to trade where the

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Speaker 4: a restructure contemplating these eventually going to sign a long

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Speaker 4: term deal. That's Miles Garrett. He wants out of Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: If Cleveland decided to trade him before June second, and

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Speaker 4: they have no designs. I wanted to trade it right now,

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Speaker 4: right now. This is a high stakes game of chicken.

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Speaker 4: Let's see who blinks. But his cap number is like

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Speaker 4: it would be thirty six point two.

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Speaker 1: Million to all that money would pro rate up the

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Speaker 1: same way or yeah, so they're gonna have a much

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Speaker 1: an eight way of signing bonus would.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: So they're gonna have eighteen million more on the cap

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Speaker 3: Before the fifth day of the league year.

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Speaker 4: Now after that, when that other five million hits, add

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Speaker 4: June one, and then they don't get twenty twenty five

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Speaker 4: draft capital. But they clearly were thinking Miles Garrett, as

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Speaker 4: Andrew Beer, the GM said we be going from Cleveland

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Speaker 4: to Canton. Garrett has other ideas, but that's the case

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Speaker 4: where they thought they picked the right guy, but really

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Speaker 4: it looks like now they may have picked the wrong guy.

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Speaker 1: Paul, I have two follow ups on this real quick, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind. Yeah, So I'm looking at Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts's contract for an example, Joel, and I'm gonna use

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Speaker 1: what started this whole trend. Right, So, I got two questions.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask them one of the time as they're complicated.

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Speaker 1: So right now I'm looking at Jalen Hurts's contract, and

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Speaker 1: to your point, he is a minimum base salary. His

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Speaker 1: base salary is never over one point five million dollars

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Speaker 1: and everything is in pro rated signing bonus, which is

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Speaker 1: all under five million, and then these option bonuses kick in, right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it right now. They have this

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Speaker 1: is according to spot track, they have four void years

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Speaker 1: at the end of this contract starting in twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: with values of thirty eight, thirty, twenty and ten million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So when he's not even signed to the roster. Two questions. One,

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Speaker 1: Let's say they end up signing him to an extension, right,

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Speaker 1: what happens to those void years? Does whatever the extension is,

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Speaker 1: and the amount of money on those years gets added

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Speaker 1: on to those void years. Do those void years stay

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Speaker 1: How does that work?

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Speaker 4: Uh, they'll get negotiated into real years. This wouldn't be

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Speaker 4: the first time of the void year you've been turned

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Speaker 4: into a real year. Drew Brees's last couple of contracts

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Speaker 4: you've always kicked the can down the road more than

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Speaker 4: to anybody else. They stuck voiding dummy years in his

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Speaker 4: contracts where it was getting close to the wire. I

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Speaker 4: remember there's one year where his contracts avoided the last

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Speaker 4: they turned those dummy voting years into real years, negotiated

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Speaker 4: it those into real salaries. What some teams will do

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Speaker 4: is they'll stick some crazy number in the void years,

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Speaker 4: because if it's you can only give someone a salary

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Speaker 4: to wait twelve months. But if you have these and

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Speaker 4: look at the aggriate cat numbers of what years are left,

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Speaker 4: and they include the voiding dummy years is real years.

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Speaker 4: So how you can do an increase twice is you

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Speaker 4: stick like seventy five million the void dummy years. So

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Speaker 4: when you look at the aggurate money left, although it's

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Speaker 4: then you're not really violating that particular waiting period. And

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Speaker 4: you could do one four months later as opposed to

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Speaker 4: waiting for the for the year to end for that

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Speaker 1: Stand So, just as an example, like Dak Prescott this year, right,

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Speaker 1: he'd avoid you at the end of his last contract

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys extended him. That's why his cap number

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Speaker 1: is like ninety million, right, because you had the money

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Speaker 1: they gave him on the new deal. That's why that

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Speaker 1: number for him is so big this year, correct, right, because.

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Speaker 4: He was in his contract year twenty twenty four for

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Speaker 4: twenty six, twenty seven years because if he had played

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Speaker 4: out his contract, they're going to have like forty point

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Speaker 4: five million in debt money if he let the contract

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Speaker 4: real years. The reason is Captain number was so high

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Speaker 4: is because you had pro racist shows associated with those

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Speaker 4: void dummy years, which stays stays intact, but Dallas kicks

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Speaker 4: to they stuck dummy voting years in this contract as well,

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Speaker 4: which contemplates they're going to do restructures like.

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Speaker 3: They've always done.

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Speaker 4: So he's not gonna be playing on a ninety million

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Speaker 1: Right, now, final question on the void years, and then

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Speaker 1: Paul I apologize for answer asking a bunch of the

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Speaker 1: start of this. Why would a player like Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: your point, they don't become guaranteed, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: times it's two years in advance, right, You got to

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Speaker 1: pick up this option bonus two years in advance, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of how it works.

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Speaker 4: Like usually a year in advance, Usually you pick it

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Speaker 4: he's got one for twenty twenty five, so it's to

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Speaker 4: exercise and option. Usually the period's the first to five

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Speaker 4: or seven days of the league year, and some, like

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers' case, you've had long windows because he's old older,

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Speaker 4: so it's been up until the day of the first

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Speaker 4: regular season game, So you pick up a future year three, four,

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Speaker 4: five years down the road. But it's advantageous for the

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Speaker 4: gonna be a ton of cap consequences to release him,

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Speaker 4: and you probably have to use a posting one designation

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Speaker 4: because you've got pro ration from signing bonus proation from

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars player's thinking, this team's not gonna cut me.

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Speaker 1: Even though these option bonuses haven't kicked in because of

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Speaker 1: the previous structure of the contract, it's so onerous from

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Speaker 1: a cap perspective, they basically have to pick up these

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Speaker 1: option bonuses, is what.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the way it works though, it's typically your

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Speaker 4: your league minimum if the option bonus is picked up.

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Speaker 4: So there's a reason the team will pick it up

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Speaker 3: You have picked it up.

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Speaker 4: If you don't freat it, don't pick it up, then

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Speaker 1: Have you seen joel more guaranteed money coming into a

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Speaker 4: It was a one off. Those were kirk Cousins. It

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Speaker 3: It's dead, Lamar Jackson fought the best fight.

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Speaker 4: He ended up playing out his fifty year option trying

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Speaker 2: Each of the last two years when we've had you

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Speaker 4: became the highest paid defensive player in the league, and

439
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Speaker 4: then the Incals barely dry on that deal before another

440
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Speaker 4: interior defensive lineman, Warren sapp top that deal. So it's

441
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Speaker 4: not like it's a new phenomenon. That was a late

442
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Speaker 4: nineties when that happened. Yeah, for the interior offensive lineman,

443
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Speaker 4: you're starting to see those salaries creep a little closer

444
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Speaker 4: to the tackle salaries. Actually, the top of the guard market,

445
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Speaker 4: if you take Pennay Sewell out of the equation for

446
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Speaker 4: right tackles, you've got it's pretty comparable. I expect Trace Smith,

447
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 4: who's going to get franchised by the Kansas City Chiefs

448
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: at twenty three point four million, will become the highest

449
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Speaker 4: paid guard if he so many signs a long term

450
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Speaker 4: deal that's currently landing Dickerson at twenty one million per year.

451
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Speaker 4: But yeah, and the interior offensive line is very important.

452
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Speaker 4: Look at the Eagles. That team is built in the trenches.

453
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Speaker 4: They have defensive line depths coming waves, but the offensive

454
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Speaker 4: line they stick a lot of money in that. They've

455
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Speaker 4: got two twenty million dollars per year tackles. They got

456
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Speaker 4: a twenty million dollar per year guard. So yeah, that's

457
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Speaker 4: gonna be That's very important, taking care of your offensive line.

458
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Speaker 1: And then one other position real quickly, Joel wide receiver.

459
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this a lot. There so many good wies.

460
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Speaker 1: Is not a great wide receiver draft class this year,

461
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Speaker 1: but we've had a bunch in a row. Are teams

462
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Speaker 1: going to start being a little bit more hesitant paying

463
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Speaker 1: wide receiver is at the top of the market or

464
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Speaker 1: is that trend and goeing to continue? We saw Ceedee Lamb,

465
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Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, all those guys get paid in now Jamar

466
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Speaker 1: chases up next.

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Speaker 4: I would think that it's got to slow down a

468
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Speaker 4: little bit because the market's really exploded the past couple

469
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Speaker 4: of years. Travis Hunter is interesting from this perspective that

470
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Speaker 4: he wants to be a full time two way player,

471
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Speaker 4: which I don't think that's humanly possible in the NFL,

472
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Speaker 4: But from an economic standpoint, if he's got to choose

473
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Speaker 4: a position, although top cornerbacks are a more scarce commodity,

474
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Speaker 4: I'd want to be a wide receiver. There aren't any

475
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Speaker 4: twenty five million dollars per year cornerbacks, but you've got

476
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Speaker 4: I can count. I run out of fingers counting the

477
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Speaker 4: number of twenty five million dollars per year wide receivers.

478
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Speaker 4: The top of the secondary wide receiver market, I mean,

479
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Speaker 4: number two receivers is Jalen Waddle in twenty eight point

480
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: twenty five million per year. So that's more than the

481
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Speaker 4: top shutdown corners make. And you already have the Cincinnati

482
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Speaker 4: coming out last week to the Combine giving away the

483
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Speaker 4: farm in terms of leverage, saying, oh, Jamar Chase is

484
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Speaker 4: gonna be the highest paid nine quarterback. That's currently thirty

485
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Speaker 4: five million per year by Justin Jefferson. Typically it's an

486
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Speaker 4: edge rusher that's the highest paid nine quarterback. If I'm

487
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Speaker 4: Jamar Chase, I'm like okay, thank you. I'm just gonna

488
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Speaker 4: let everything shake out. I'm not doing it a deal

489
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Speaker 4: until August. I'm gonna let Miles Garrett get resolved because

490
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Speaker 4: if he's somehow is still in Cleveland, he's got two

491
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Speaker 4: years left on his deal, he's underpaid. He was the

492
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Speaker 4: first twenty five million dollar per year nine quarterback. That's

493
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Speaker 4: gonna be way up there. If David Mullagetta is controlling

494
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Speaker 4: the negotiation night, not Michael Parsons, who has talked about

495
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Speaker 4: taking a hometown discount.

496
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Speaker 3: That's going to be more than Justin Jefferson. TJ.

497
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Speaker 4: Watt isn't a contract year. He set the nine quarterback

498
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Speaker 4: market last time. So I'm letting all these guys go first,

499
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Speaker 4: and whatever number that is, I want more than that

500
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Speaker 4: as opposed to going today.

501
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Speaker 3: Like say you did a deal today for Jamar Shakes.

502
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Speaker 4: If you adjust Justin Jefferson for contract for salary cap inflation.

503
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Speaker 3: You're at thirty eight point five million per year. If

504
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Speaker 3: you put that.

505
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Speaker 4: Number out there today, those other guys are going to

506
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Speaker 4: try to topic. So I let them do the heavy

507
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Speaker 4: lifting move the market and not come in afterwards. If

508
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Speaker 4: I'm Jamaar Chhaks particularly since Duke Tobin said he's gonna

509
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Speaker 4: be the highest paid guy. Self inflicted wound by the

510
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: same Eddie beingles By saying that I think it, don't

511
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Speaker 4: say it all.

512
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Speaker 1: Right, Joel.

513
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Speaker 2: We know the Giants' top priorities to land a quarterback,

514
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: and Joe Shane, the general manager, says he wants a

515
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Speaker 2: guy who could win games this year, and that's going

516
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: to be a veteran. We all assume Sam Donald's going

517
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Speaker 2: to be at the top of the free agent list

518
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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks and he'll get the most.

519
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Speaker 3: I don't know if.

520
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: You've got a number in mind for him, But who

521
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Speaker 2: do you suppose would be on the next tier of

522
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: prices for quarterbacks? And what kind of number are we

523
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Speaker 2: talking about that the Giants might have to spend, assuming

524
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Speaker 2: they don't make a trade with somebody.

525
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Speaker 4: Well, you guys are an interesting position because the self

526
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Speaker 4: interest of Joe Saying and Brian Daball aren't necessarily what's

527
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Speaker 4: in the best interest of the Giants' long term. Because,

528
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Speaker 4: for the life of me, you lose eleven of your

529
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Speaker 4: last twelve games, you don't win a division game, you

530
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: have three wins, and you still keep your jobs. So

531
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of pressure to turn that thing around.

532
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: If it gets off to a slow start, they're both

533
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: gonna be gone. So they're not thinking long term. They're

534
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: thinking survival, and that isn't necessarily what may be best

535
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Speaker 4: for the Giants.

536
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Speaker 3: Now.

537
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Speaker 4: If I'm saying darnold the first thing out of my mouth,

538
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Speaker 4: If you guys are trying to sign me or you

539
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: have interest, you paid jan Daniel Jones forty million a

540
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 4: year two years ago, so we.

541
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Speaker 3: Gotta be north to that.

542
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: That deal will come back to bite you with him now.

543
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: I was surprised you were so heavily in on Matthew Stafford,

544
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: given he's thirty seven. Who knows how many years he's

545
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 4: going to play. I know there's connection with his brother

546
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 4: in law being on a staff, but that kind of

547
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 4: shows you that they're thinking, we got to do something

548
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 4: today or we won't be here tomorrow. I know there's

549
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 4: the rumors that Aaron Rodgers. I'm not all that enthusiastic

550
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 4: about that, just because he's forty one. He's a year

551
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: to year proposition and he's the grim reaper. Mike McCarthy

552
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: got fired when he was in Green Bay. Robert Salah

553
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 4: got fired in New York. So you bring him in.

554
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: The track record is you get fired with Aaron Rodgers.

555
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: He's not the I'm just kind of saying that in jest.

556
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: He's not the super Bowl. He's not the MVP League MVP.

557
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers that he was earlier in his career, he

558
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: did play better, saying after the years looked like he

559
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: kind of gotten a little better with the recovery from

560
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 4: the Achilles tear, but he's not as mobile as he

561
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 4: used to be. Maybe because he's at the tail end

562
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: of his career. He's made all the money he's needed to.

563
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: He gave money back to go to the Jets. That

564
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 4: he's going to be more affordable. But I'm not all

565
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: that enthusiastic about that. You guys had some interest in

566
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson last year. I'm not all that enthusiastic about

567
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 4: that either, because of the way the season ended. They

568
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 4: couldn't score more than fourteen points a game down the stretch.

569
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Speaker 4: So then you got the draft. You're sitting third. Do

570
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Speaker 4: you just let the draft shake out the way it's

571
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: going to or do you try to move up to

572
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Speaker 4: number one? Because the Titans have said they're open to

573
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: trading that'd probably be a steep price to go from

574
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Speaker 4: three to one. If I'm the Titans, I want the

575
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six first round pick. I don't want to

576
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: give that up. But if you think I'm not gonna

577
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 4: be here if this things don't turn around, I don't

578
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Speaker 4: care if I give up to twenty twenty six first

579
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Speaker 4: round pick, meaning Joe Shane. Maybe the Titans can wrangle

580
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Speaker 4: that out, because I know when Mitchell Trubisky was drafted,

581
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: the Bears went from three to two, and I think

582
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 4: that to give up a third and a fourth that

583
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: year and a third to next and that was go

584
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Speaker 4: one spot.

585
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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be a pretty steep price to move up.

586
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 4: Or do you just wait hope cam Ward drops to three,

587
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: or if he doesn't, do you overdraft Shadua Sanders and

588
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: or do you just take the best guy that's available,

589
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Speaker 4: Because if a quarterback goes one, then you're gonna get

590
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: either Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter at three, who will

591
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: be huge, impact, impact players. So maybe you sign a

592
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 4: VET and then you don't take a quarterback in the

593
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Speaker 4: first round and hope Jackson darters there at thirty four.

594
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Speaker 4: I would be more intrigued by trying to get Justin

595
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Speaker 4: Fields to come in on a Sam Donald type deal.

596
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Speaker 4: Although the Steelers are probably gonna keep one of those

597
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: two guys Fields or Wilson. They're probably leaning towards Fields.

598
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Speaker 3: But he's young. He would be cheap relatively speaking.

599
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Speaker 4: Donald played for ten million last year on a one,

600
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Speaker 4: so I might be looking for someone like that if

601
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Speaker 4: I kicked the tire, at least kick the tires on Fields.

602
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Speaker 1: Follow up on the quarterbacks real quick. Where do you

603
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Speaker 1: think the money would land on? Wilson and Rodgers as

604
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Speaker 1: older players that have made a lot of money in

605
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Speaker 1: their careers. And then that's the thing.

606
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Speaker 4: It depends on if they're willing to if they go,

607
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Speaker 4: you know what, I've gotten my full market value earlier.

608
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Speaker 4: I don't need to get every dollar. I don't know

609
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: if they would do that, But the thing is the

610
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: quarterback market. If you look at the average salary for

611
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: what the veteran contracts are, and that is skewed because

612
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: you got nine guys making fifty million dollars a year

613
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: fifty million per year or more, you don't really have

614
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 4: a middle class. Gino Smith is the middle class and

615
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 4: he's going to get raised from twenty five million per year.

616
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 4: If he's still in Seattle this year or traded at someplace,

617
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: he's in a contract year. So that's kind of the

618
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Speaker 4: closest thing you have to a middle class is the

619
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Speaker 4: twenty five mark. Maybe they're willing to come in around that, hopefully,

620
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Speaker 4: But I really wouldn't want to pay Russell Wilson thirty

621
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: million out of one or sixty over two. I wouldn't

622
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: be enthusiastic about that. Rogers was scheduled to make thirty

623
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Speaker 4: seven and a half million and at forty one. I

624
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: don't want to pay him that either. I don't want

625
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: to pay him over thirty at forty one. So it's

626
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Speaker 4: kind of you're caught between a rock and a hard place.

627
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that might follow up. There's two veterans I

628
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: know some reporters have mentioned could become available, Kirk Cousins

629
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Speaker 1: and Derek Carr. How do you view those situations?

630
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: Oh, Carr's not getting out of there just because they

631
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: kick the can down the road so much that they

632
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: don't really have a choice but to kick the can

633
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 4: down the road again. I expect that they're going to

634
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 4: restructure pick up about thirty one million dollars a cap

635
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: space and then worry.

636
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Speaker 3: About next year later.

637
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: Cousins is intriguing from this standpoint. At first, I'm not

638
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 4: buying what Raheem Morris is saying, Oh, we can have

639
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: him as our backup under his contract, you know, making

640
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: forty on a forty five million dollars per year contract.

641
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm not buying that he's going to be the backup

642
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 4: because if he's on the roster after the fifth day

643
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: of the league year, then you've guaranteed ten for next year.

644
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 4: That's ten more than you have to So it would

645
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: be like Russell Wilson if they cut him. There's no

646
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: he's not going to be a trade market phonks. He

647
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: didn't play well last year. Plus he has no trade clause,

648
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 4: so he would signed for his league minimum war one

649
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: point two five five million. Yeah, for Cousins at one

650
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: point two five five million, I'd take a flyer on that.

651
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: Now here's where Cousins has made a mistake. He's too

652
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: nice of a guy, and teams mistake niceness for weakness.

653
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 4: What he really needed to do to set himself up

654
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: for the future. And you make sure he was getting

655
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: out of Atlanta and you wouldn't have any of this. Uh, oh,

656
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: we could have him as a backup if he had

657
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: been just a major mal content as soon as he

658
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 4: got benched, wasn't helping Michael Pennix. There's no way they'd

659
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: want him in the locker room right now. They'd be like,

660
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: we got to get this dude out of here. We'll

661
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: bite the bullet, we'll cut him. There's no way he's

662
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: gonna poison or he's gonna he's gonna end up being

663
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 4: a negative influence in our locker room. He was a

664
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: continent professional, and it could end up costing him to

665
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: the point where they may decide, you know what, he'll be, Oh,

666
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: he'll be okay with it. If I'm the agent, I'm

667
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: raising holy hill from the standpoint that you lied to

668
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: me when I signed there.

669
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: You didn't give us any inkling you're going to draft

670
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 3: a quarterback. He may have made a.

671
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 4: Different decision if he'd known that that was on the table.

672
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: Mike McCartney is someone who gets players all the time.

673
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: He's aiding Hutchinson's agent. I'd remind them you have to

674
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: deal with me the future, so you need to do

675
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: right by Cousins today. And we won't have a problem tomorrow, because,

676
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,479
Speaker 4: in the back of my mind, if this thing went

677
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 4: wrong and Cousins is still on the Falcons in twenty

678
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: twenty five, the first chance I would get to screw Atlanta,

679
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: I would or all things being equal, I would never

680
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: send anyone to the Falcons again or any place where

681
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: heem Morris ever, was that Terry Fontineau wasn't the future.

682
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: Glad we know how you feel, Joel.

683
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: I love it.

684
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: Hey, I got to ask you about the corners before

685
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: I cap off my questions here, Joel. And that is

686
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 2: the Giants also have put a premium on trying to

687
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: add a corner. Now we don't know if they're going

688
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: to get Travis Hung during the draft or not. And

689
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: the draft is also not very deep on high quality corners.

690
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: The free agent market has a handful of guys who

691
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: are probably going to rise to the top. How much

692
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 2: money are you thinking you'd have to commit to get

693
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: a starting caliber corner? And do you think there might

694
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: actually be two levels, guys who were going to be

695
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 2: like cream with the cherry on top, and guys who

696
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: may be just the cream That might be a little

697
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: less expensive for the Giants to talk to well, you.

698
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 4: Would kind of be hoping these guys would priced themselves

699
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: out of the market, and then as the first waiver

700
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 4: free agency goes that they have to readjust expectations. There

701
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: is a deal done late in the twenty twenty four year,

702
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 4: which I'm sure all these guys are looking at. Yeah,

703
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: I'm more De Lannere signed what they got an extension

704
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: from the forty nine ers for seventeen point eight million

705
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: per year, So I'm sure these guys have taken note

706
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: of that particular deal. You've got guys like Carlton Davis

707
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: who did a three year deal and twenty twenty two

708
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: for almost fifteen million per year. He's not going to

709
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: take a pay cut. Saveria's Ward had a bad season

710
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: by his standards because of extenuating circumstances with his young

711
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: daughter passing away. He was on a deal averaging thirteen

712
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 4: point five. That Leannewer deal will be important for him

713
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: because that was the other corner in San Francisco. They're

714
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: in the twenty eight twenty nine year old range, so

715
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: that's getting into that danger zone territory. Byron Murphy did

716
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: everything you're supposed to do in a contract year first

717
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: pro Bowl ton of picks. If I'm representing Murphy can

718
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 4: place in the slot and on the outside I want.

719
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 3: I'm targeting twenty million per year. I don't know if

720
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 3: I get there, but that's what i'd be targeting.

721
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Two guys want to throw at you, DJ Reed and

722
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: a Sante Samuel Junior, or two guys that interest me.

723
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: Samuel is a little bit younger, he missed a lot

724
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: of last year to injury and then re and Island. Though,

725
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: like guys like Paulson Adebo and Christian Fulton, right, those

726
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: are other outside corners that that kind of interest me

727
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: a little bit, Joel, I'm wondering where you think those

728
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: guys might fall.

729
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Fulton's probably the cheapest of him.

730
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: I think he was on a one year proven deal

731
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: for like three three and a half million last year.

732
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: Probably you probably don't even have to get to ten

733
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: on him.

734
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: Sante Samuel is probably thinking notwithstanding the durability fourteen to

735
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: fifteen million per year DJ Reid, He's probably thinking, hey,

736
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: I played an opposite Sauce Gardener and that means he's

737
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 4: not getting the massipianst the top receiver. He's thinking, hey,

738
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: ACT had a better year than Sauce Guardener because he

739
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 4: actually for his he had a down year by his standards,

740
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: so he's probably thinking that same neighborhood as the guys

741
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier, Ward Murphy Davis.

742
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: How'd I'm get in here? If you're lined up here,

743
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score?

744
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: Great?

745
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

746
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, Bud Citizens? Does it makes sense of

747
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 3: your money with Citizens?

748
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: Official Bank of Eli Manning? How about defensive tackles, Joel?

749
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: It looks like Olsa Digizho is not going to hit

750
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: the market. It sounds like the Cowboys are recording this

751
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: on Tuesday around eleven thirty Eastern time, that he's going

752
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: to get franchised. But there are still some other pretty

753
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: decent players on the market. Where do you think that's

754
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: gonna land? Milton Williams I assume is going to go

755
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: well over twenty a year once you get past him.

756
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: What are we looking at a defensive tackle? For guys

757
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: that can play next to Dexter Lawrence?

758
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 4: Well, how much do you want to commit to that position?

759
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 4: Because you already have Lawrence who's well over twenty million

760
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: per year, You've got an edge rusher making close to thirty,

761
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: So how much do you really want to commit to

762
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: the defensive line. Maybe you're looking at someone you can

763
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 4: get in the ten to fifteen range, a guy, the

764
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: older guy that maybe you can get cheaper. I might

765
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: want to kick the tires on Javon Hargrave because he's

766
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 4: getting cut from the forty nine ers. He's coming off

767
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: a deal averaging over twenty million per year, but the

768
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: year before he was healthy was still pretty good. That

769
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: like a short term two year deal, maybe twelve to

770
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: fifteen million for him, maybe something, because because he's the

771
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: guy that when he's healthy, he's going to get you

772
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 4: eight nine to ten sacks.

773
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: Joe, what do you think PJ. Hill could command on

774
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 3: the market. Uh, he's going to be looking north to

775
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 3: fifteen most likely.

776
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 6: Wow, M yeah looking I didn't say get Remember, I'm

777
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 6: looking at it from how much would I want to me?

778
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: Joel? This is a very dangerous free agent class because

779
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of big names and there's

780
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: a lot of money with the cap going up around

781
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: what do you think this is going to look like?

782
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: Is the first wave? You are going to be slow?

783
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: I know we always say that and then day one

784
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: and then negotiating period money.

785
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: There you go around.

786
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: The first wave never is slow is the question of

787
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: whether teams will have a little bit of discipline because

788
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: you're real So it's always a seller's market during the

789
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: first wave or free agency, it's a buyer's market after

790
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: you get past that point. If I'm the Giants, I

791
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: kind of try to take a page from the Commanders

792
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: because look where they were last year. Nobody expected them

793
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 4: to be in the NFC Conference Championship.

794
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: Let alone make the playoffs.

795
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: They went out and signed a bunch of free agents

796
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: on one two year deals and turned it around. And

797
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: those guys weren't high ticket items. So if Joe Shane

798
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: and his scouting apartment have done their jobs, they're looking

799
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: to get value, not make splashes.

800
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: Final one from a Joe, and I appreciate all your time.

801
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: You've been awesome. Guard Giants into starting right guard, and

802
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: they could use a wide receiver too to play across

803
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: some league neighbors. Any guys at those two spots that

804
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: you think could be of a good value for the

805
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: Giants in free agency.

806
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 4: Well, I'm assuming Evan Neil's going to be your right tackle.

807
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: You're not going to think about moving him to guard.

808
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: Well, it'll probably be illuminaa right tackle this year, and

809
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: they're kind of they think maybe he could be guard

810
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: tackle bolt to see.

811
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 4: Well, then maybe you allow him the first crack at

812
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: the right guard thing and hope he's Mackai Beckton part

813
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: two and that would solve the problem. You're definitely not

814
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: picking up his fifth year option. But speaking of which,

815
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: McKay Beckton is up. He's probably looking at Hey, I

816
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 4: want to I think I'm Kevin Dotson part two. Kevin

817
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 4: Dotson probably was gonna get cut if Pittsburgh didn't trade

818
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: him to the Rams. He goes out and signs for

819
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: sixteen seventeen million per year. There's actually I don't know

820
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: if he can play on the right side. Well, they

821
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: moved into center last year. Jonah Jackson, he's on the

822
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 4: block with the Rams. He could be available. Will Freeze

823
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 4: type guy might be someone, but you saw last year

824
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: like Damian Lewis got like thirteen fourteen million per year.

825
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: So about Tevin Jenkins, Joel, do you think he's gonna.

826
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: He's gonna he's gonna be Yeah, he's going to be

827
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: north to the passion right. Yeah, he's going to be

828
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: north to that. Yeah, he'll be north of now.

829
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: Choles Zeitler's on the longer end of the stick. I mean,

830
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: he's been around a long job but still playing well.

831
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: Is he going to command much money That'll.

832
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: Be less than ten, That'll be less than ten.

833
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that that could be good value

834
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: if you want to listen.

835
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: But if I'm him, I'm trying to stay put because

836
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: at this point.

837
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: In my career, I want to win. No offense. But

838
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: nobody's pinking you guys to make the playoffs next year.

839
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: No, I get that watch res Ever, two guys that

840
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: can compliment neighbors, well, you have.

841
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 4: One that I think is going to get overpaid in

842
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 4: Darius Slayton.

843
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: So I'm penciling him as gone, how much you guy?

844
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: He's gonna command.

845
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: Someone who can stretch the field. I'm looking at this

846
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: bad deal that the Jaguars wish they'd never done with

847
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: Gabe Davis. That averages thirteen million per year and it

848
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: maxes through the incentives and escalators at almost seventeen.

849
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: He's going to be looking at that.

850
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: He's going to looking at Darnelle Mooney getting thirteen million

851
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 4: per year. He's probably priced himself out of New York.

852
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: The wide receiver market is interesting from this standpoint. You

853
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: got a bunch of seasoned, accomplished guys who have flaws

854
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: that are gonna be on the market. Those guys, some

855
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 4: of those guys aren't gonna get paid. Stefan Dix coming

856
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: off with a knee injury, Mark Cooper didn't do much

857
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: whether he was in Cleveland or Buffalo. Dere Hopkins was

858
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: in that like receiver by committee thing in Kansas City

859
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 4: after he got out of Tennessee. Cooper cup mayor may

860
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 4: not get cut. So you've got a bunch of older

861
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: guys who could be a good compliment also mentor to

862
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: neighbors that maybe cheaper than they were ever anticipating they

863
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: would be. Not everybody's gonna get paid. You also got

864
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: Tyler Lockett who's probably gonna get cut from Seattle. He

865
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: was he scheduled to make seventeen May thirteen last year,

866
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: but he's a third receiver now up in Seattle. So

867
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: those early late twenties, early thirty guys, they're gonna be

868
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 4: a bunch of those guys out there.

869
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: If you'll have to wait those guys out right, Joe,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna be able to strike quickly because the

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Speaker 2: prices will be higher.

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Speaker 4: Well, their prices are gonna come down because those guys aren't.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have a root awaking some of those guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because Mark Cooper thinks he's gonna get twenty million a year,

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Speaker 4: I don't see that happening. Stefan Diggs ain't gonna get

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Speaker 4: that coming off of the knee injury. Then the one

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Speaker 4: who will get whatever he wants most likely will be

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Speaker 4: Devonte Adams because he's the most productive one. That deal

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Speaker 4: was set up. When it was signed, you had two

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Speaker 4: cosmetic years to inflate the average, whether he was still

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Speaker 4: at the Raiders or not. He wasn't gonna be playing

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Speaker 4: for thirty six and a half million in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: five and twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna have.

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Speaker 4: To either renegotiate that or he was gonna hit the

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Speaker 4: open market. The Jets will cut him. He's the one

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Speaker 4: who should be over twenty million per year. I'm not

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Speaker 4: even thinking you have a shot at Chris Godwin. Before

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Speaker 4: I know he's always he's injury prone, But before he

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Speaker 4: got hurt, he was one of the league leaders in

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Speaker 4: receptions and receiving yards.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be He's going to be a different stratusphere.

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Speaker 1: Joel, you're the best. Tell our fans anything. They should

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Speaker 1: have their eyes out for anything you're doing up to

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Speaker 1: or you want to promote it. The floors will yes.

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Speaker 4: This a busy week for me for CBS. As I

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Speaker 4: said earlier, I got this what if Lamar Jackson article

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Speaker 4: if he had followed the Cousins route, played under franchise

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Speaker 4: tags was free, how much could he command? I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to give away the whole farm, but it would

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Speaker 4: be a fully guaranteed contract. Read the article to find

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Speaker 4: out whether how much he would reset the market. Two,

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Speaker 4: I'd usually do target prices, which is what I would

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Speaker 4: want if I represented offensive defensive players, as I'm doing

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Speaker 4: offensive players tomorrow, ten of them defensive players on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Joel, you're the best. Thanks so much of the time,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk soon. Enjoy the chaos next week.

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Speaker 3: Oh we'll do. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Joe Corey on the Giants little podcast brought you by

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