WEBVTT - Futurama S11, Invincible: Atom Eve, & Picketing w/ Cody Ziglar 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.680 Warning, this podcast contains light spoilers for Futurama first couple 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.960 of episodes and some heavier spoilers for the Adam Eves 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:28.880 special episode of Invincible. Hello, my name is Jason Stepcio 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.680 and I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision, 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.440 the Crooked media podcast where we've dived deep in your 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.600 favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.640 In this episode, in the previously on, we are talking 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.720 about Loki season two's trailer from the Struck Disney Corporation. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.160 Save us Loki, your only hope. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.320 There are any hope in the airlock. It's animated TV time, 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:58.240 including the surprise Invincible season two zero episode about Atamy 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.200 which was delightful, and the amazing Futurama season eleven with 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:08.360 cody'sig Zigla Drama's back, It's back baby in that out 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:09.960 a comics recommendation question. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.000 And as I mentioned, we are joined today by Cody A. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:19.759 I am good. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.360 I am fresh off of picking this Struck Company Disney 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.160 this afternoon, and even though the humidity is out, everyone 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:28.760 is also still loud. It was this is the first 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.800 time I've been there since Sag has joined the fold. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.479 Not unlike the rest of the Avengers are joining. Uh, 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.360 Captain America on your left, don your left, Yeah, I am. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:40.959 I am so glad that new blood is out there 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.040 because I was so drained after only their being there 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.080 for like forty minutes in the heat. So it is 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:50.440 definitely nice seeing some like young enthusiastic faces. Also, uh, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.320 I forget how many children are actually in SAG. So 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:56.560 I was out there there like there are a lot 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.280 of kids. I was like, I forget that there are 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.920 legitimately a lot of children in this union because I 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.040 was like, man, these people really brought all their children out. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.640 Then I'm like, oh wait, these are actual union members 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.120 of SAG. So that explains why they are like eight 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.520 year olds on the line. That makes a lot more sense. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:11.720 Dude. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.120 How evil do you have to be as in a 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.280 corporation that you have an eight year old picket in 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.000 the year that's so sick at your children of the future? 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:19.320 Baby? 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:19.480 Yea. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.320 Let me just say I was at I was picketing 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:29.560 Universal last week in the heat, in the in the 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:36.040 extreme heat of the valley. For the event was just 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.280 a normal picnic, but it was all comics writers or 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.760 friend zeb Wells was there. Our friend Andrew t was there. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.839 Other people were there, lots of folks. But one thing 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:51.040 I found out at this particular picket on Lancashire Boulevard 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.040 in the Valley is that SAG is not allowed to 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.559 picket there because it's literally too dangerous. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:02:59.440 Yeah. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.359 Really they were afraid that, like a note, some notable 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.800 actor could get smushed. And it's true because you're crossing 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.200 a lot of roads. Also, they've like done you know, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:13.760 this is the place where they cut the trees, and 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.400 it's also the place where I guess they had to 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.320 do some construction on the sidewalk. Yeah, so you have 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:20.680 to walk in the street. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:22.520 Yeah, I think I just saw today. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.480 I think somebody shed that maybe they've made they've now 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.000 made a new gate to make it safe for people 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.280 to pick it there, which is something SAG has been 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.320 asking for for a long time because as you mentioned, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.920 like with the cut trees, which was done against the 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.880 city regulations, they've definitely been making that as hard a 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.080 place as possible for people to pick it, just the nuts. 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.400 It's also the place where apparently people have been intentionally 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.520 hit by cars, cars trying to hit people over there. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.680 I think it's also funny that they were like, you know, 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.280 this is where the combook creators can go. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:56.920 They've went to them. There they'll go. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:01.440 They don't have a union. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.400 Does the world need another Wally West story? We don't know. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:07.000 Send them there. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.200 You know. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.040 Well, let's get into it. Coming up next. Previously on 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.880 first up in the previously on the Loki season two trailer, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.600 which came out today. We're taping this on a Monday, 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.520 and uh the trailer appeared this morning with a wonderful 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:33.359 surprise the appearance of Ki Kwan as Orobaros and folks, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.479 let's hope that this is the is the show that 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:42.560 can swing things back to good feelings for the MCU 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.479 on television, because it looked fun and it was great 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:50.760 to be to spend time with some old favorites. Your thoughts, Yeah. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.680 I think it's very interesting. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.159 I think they're in a tough situation because it is 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.640 very Kang focused as much as they kind of. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.760 Only appears his face. This only appears for like half 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:02.280 a second. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.800 It feels like out of the threat I do. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.080 I will, I will say I have a piece coming out, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.320 which was my theory all along, which I'm sticking to now, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.080 which is I hope there is an easy fix for 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:19.440 this entire situation, which is Ravona Renslayer was Kang in 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.360 the comics during the Terminatrix objective, and it would be 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.840 really easy to just make Ravona Kang and. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:30.000 Let Google have her moment in the Sun. I think it. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.400 I think it's really smart. Yeah, it looks fun. Disney, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:40.120 pay your writers, like pay some actors too, Like sounds 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:41.479 like they're they're also strong. 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:42.200 Interesting. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.320 I didn't know it was like co directed by Justin 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.320 Benson and Aaron Moorehead who are like really weird in 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.680 the horror guys who've made a lot of like cosmic horror. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.080 So that was interesting when I found that out. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.800 Yeah, any thoughts, you know, I will say it. I 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.040 did watch the trailer today. I will say the thing 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.440 that I've always been drawn to most about the Loki 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.119 series that it seems like the most outside of gardens 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.200 of the Galaxy, the most tapped into, like how fun 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:14.920 the cosmic side of. 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:15.839 Like Marvel could be. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:19.240 Yeah, and like even with this trailer, like it seemed fun, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.800 it seemed like the most comic bookie. It seems like 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:26.640 it's the most it's the series that gels together the most. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.880 I think consistently, Like I think, like with one division, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.360 like those first six or seven episodes when it was 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.560 just a TV episode from a different decade, like they 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.480 sort of like lean into like the medium, which is 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.159 like this, this is like a fun like almost like 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.080 Quantum leap Rick and Morty type of like yeah, TV show, 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.120 And like I'm gonna be optimistic, Like I enjoyed the 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.320 trailer owhen Wilson looks like he's having like a lot 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.760 of fun in this. Yeah, So like I'm I'm remaining 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.240 optimistic and I am very curious to see like how 0:06:58.320 --> 0:06:59.800 the Kang of it all is one of sort of 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:00.880 like sort itself out. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.719 Yeah, yes, that is the question. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:04.839 That's the big question. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.240 I think. Here's my Well, I guess this is a prediction. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.080 I think you're right, Rosie in that they'll There was 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:18.360 probably some last minute tweaking, but they will. I'm assuming 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.720 let this series run as it was intended to run, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:27.560 and that poosts this they'll move on from. Certainly Jonathan 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:30.240 Major's as Kang, and maybe Kang in general is like 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:36.640 the focus. But I also feel like the flash probably 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.400 gave them some cover. Weirdly in a terrible way to 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.320 think about it the Flash gone away, I keep running. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.080 I think I think that was definitely influential. I think 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.240 because the Flash didn't make a lot of money, that 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.080 also probably impacted the way they decided to go forward, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.040 Like it was released, but it wasn't a hit, you know, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.240 So I'm interested to see how that influences them. Also, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.360 I do need to say something I find very interesting 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.360 about this is like, so that this is very like 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.520 you're saying, like the Rick and Morty of it all. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.840 So Loki seems to be in this situation. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.880 Where he's like time slipping they call it, where he 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.280 kind of can't control where he's going. Yeah, that's very 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.360 similar to the conceit of the Marvels where they keep 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.160 switching between time and space. I am unsure whether that 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.560 is going to be connected or whether it's just a 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.240 total coincidence, because this I would have before been like 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.760 this is obviously there's some kind of cosmic entanglement, But 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.240 nowadays I'm just interested to see how that plays out 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:34.400 because it seems very similar. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.360 But it looks fun. I like that kind of stuff. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:37.839 Yeah, yeah, I like that. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.160 Also, you know, the conceit of Marvels that they are 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.520 not afraid to recast anyone, no matter how many movies 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.720 you've been in, so like, yeah, also what the added 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.160 benefit of like you know, there's an infinite number of kings, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:48.880 so like you know, all of a sudden, we're going 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.440 to go to a king exactly thirty seven QB. It's 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.440 like a little different than than maybe the other kings 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:59.760 we've seen, so like, yeah, and there's. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.120 Time there's times in the comment where Kang is like 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.320 more of a mantle like that, different people from different 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.600 earths have you know, So I think, yeah, there's lots 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.040 of space that will be very interesting. Only six episodes, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.280 so that will be interesting to see how it goes down. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:18.280 It's yeah, I think what is it October? Some good yeah, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.640 some good chill in time from now to then, and 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.240 hopefully it can come in with a bang and hopefully 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.319 everyone who worked on it got paid on time. We 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.800 know that didn't happen with some of the Secret Invasion folks, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.960 as we heard cat Vasco saying on the picket line, 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.480 so oh my god, yeah we've paid. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:37.240 Hold on, let's talk about this, okay. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.679 So essentially cat Vasco, who was a co producer I 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:47.000 believe and a writer on Secret invasion said that Disney 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.439 thought that if they paid people on time to work 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.760 on MCU shows, they wouldn't be as eager to like 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:54.400 work hard. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.240 I'm going to read I'm going to read the quote 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.880 here it is. So this is again from cat Vasco 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:03.559 as told to the rap uh and here is the 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:08.920 quote quote. Their explanation was, and this is about writers 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:11.920 getting paid on time, which is a continual issue, whether 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.880 it's the w G A SAG, getting your money is 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:22.400 a multi week, multi month process. There are there are 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.480 things in the contracts that say that stipulate you have 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.480 to be paid according to a certain timetable. And honestly, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.080 the a mt PTP in the studio is just ignoring. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:31.520 It, and they ignore it. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.839 Braz keep ignoring it. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.160 We're going to keep ignoring it. Yeah. Yeah, they've been very, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.199 very very straightforward about the fact that they are not 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.679 going to adhere to any kind of payment deadlines. Anyway, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.400 here is cat mascow to the rap quote. Their explanation 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.400 the AMPTP was, then we wouldn't be incentivized to work 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.559 as hard. It's insulting to hear with the amount of 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.199 work that we're already that we already do for free, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.760 so Kat essentially saying that what she got from a 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.280 conversation one would one would surmise from some Disney exec 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.120 was that, Uh, the reason we can't pay you is 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.560 because then you guys are just gonna go and play 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:20.120 Fortnite and I'm just gonna buy some relaxing Yeah, and listen, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.320 I'm suretranged if you I'm sure that if you could 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.400 get this exec on the record, it was not what 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.800 I meant at all. I just meant it. Yeah, I 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.240 don't mean that at. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:34.880 Taking out of context. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:39.560 Yeah, yeah, I was. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.920 Trying to say, I understand how much the writers love 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.920 the work. They do it to the passion of the work. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.160 You understand it. They creativity, Like David Saslov said, we 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:49.040 all love it. That's why we'll get back to work 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:50.600 for the love of making things. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.520 I love being in a room for eight to ten 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:53.960 hours a day not getting paid. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.480 I love wondering where the money is coming from, saying 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.679 you're emailing you're rep saying hey, can you bug them again? Yeah? 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.920 I ran I'm like, this is one of the reasons 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.840 I was happy to see the comic book writers picket, 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.559 because like, this is a similar thing in comics. I 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:18.400 love to write a script to a specific commission and 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.000 then be told that the commission has changed and have 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.120 to rewrite it for free. 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:23.920 And that happens a lot. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.800 Oh actually, now this character can't be involved or this 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.839 character can't do that, so can you rewrite it? And 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.839 know you're your contract that you signed does not a 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.240 work via contract give you money for rewrites? 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.439 Like the amount of free work people. 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.480 Are already doing in creative industries is like people don't 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:40.640 even realize how much of. 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:41.560 What you do is free. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.640 Yeah, yeah, another think, I think it. I think it 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.200 took me a month to get my first Sheehawk paycheck 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.160 now that I think about it, Like, I just went 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.679 back to my emails to look when my starting was 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.800 and when my first actual check was and it was 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.280 thirty days to the actual time that I started. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.480 So continues. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:22.360 Yes, up next Futurama and Adam Eve. Let's talk about 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.679 something much more fun, and that is Futurama on Hulu, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.959 or at least on the Struck Company Hulu that is 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.480 owned by multiple Struck companies. But one of one of 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.760 the writers on that particular series is Cody zig Ziggler, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.959 who has once again managed to sneak himself into a 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.640 frame of a television program. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.920 Making yourself canon in every series. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.559 Yes, tell us about futur On returning to the screen. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.760 It's a I'm not sure Like most people, actually, I'm sure, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.520 Like both of you are huge fans of The Simpsons 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:58.560 and Futuruma growing up. 0:13:58.600 --> 0:13:58.760 Yeah. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.040 Yeah, When I, you know, got the call that I 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:02.520 was coming back and I could be a part of it, 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.199 it was a dream come true. I am a huge 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.640 fan of that series and the Simpsons. Like you know, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.120 I probably I've seen every episode of The Simpsons from 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.199 season one to at least nine, at least five times, 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.400 if I had to guess, Yeah, and you know, as 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.440 someone you know, you guys have sort of been with 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.520 me as my director of my career has continued on 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.640 from like you know, she hoped to Rick and Morty 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.280 to this, so like you can look at my resume 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:29.600 and see what kind of stuff I'm into, which is 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:30.800 like the sci fi stuff of it all. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.760 But like one thing that I thought really sort of stuck. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.840 Out with the Futurama writers in particular, show ran by 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.400 David Exco one super super super funny talented guys. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.240 That they really are like a NERD's nerd. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.640 Like, this is the only show I've worked on where 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.320 like multiple people in the room had PhDs and they 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.040 would spend thirty to forty minutes a day trying to 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.920 make a joke about a very specific math theorem that 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.440 would be on the back of a chalkboard that I 0:14:58.600 --> 0:14:59.480 just couldn't understand. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.200 They were really passionate about. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.840 This is like you in the Sheehock room, Yeah, telling 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.400 people about dead about like quantum physics. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:10.320 Yeah, exactly, this is me. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.840 Pulling up my Daredevil comic, but it's them talking about 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.680 like what how many angles are in an actual triangle? 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.880 But that triangle now is going to be whatever that 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.720 there's a very specific geometry drink in the first episode 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.840 that when they spent twenty minutes trying to figure out 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.200 how exactly this shape would form. And that was very 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.240 much every episode of that show was like the two 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.240 or three PhD guys, you know, trying to get their 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.080 very very niche jokes while everyone else is like, yeah, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.880 but would have been just slipped on like a space 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.600 space banana like stuff like that. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:40.920 It was. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.720 It was very fun and it was also it's it 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.000 was just so cool, you know, seeing how the soup 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.720 is made, how the sausage is Like, you know, we 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.240 were lucky in that half the room where sort of 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.720 like these old school o G guys and like the 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.000 other half where people our ah, so like you know, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.000 we get we got to. I mean, as you'll see 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.000 in later episodes, really add like sort of our perspective 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.000 on things and seeing how you know, sort of like 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.760 you know, it's such a fun mass mash thing, like 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.560 here's a reference to like a sixties like bubblegum commercial 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.760 and now we're going to have a reference to black mirror, 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:21.440 Like that's basically yeah, scary mirror. Yeah, there's a lot 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:22.240 of fun stuff like that. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.160 One of the things that I found really interesting about 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.360 this and Sheeholk can obviously reckon more hears in this 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.480 space too, but like you know, the Sheahowk finale and 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.920 then the opening of Futurama, it's like super meta TV 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:41.600 about TV and TV writing. What is it about those stories? 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.640 Like you're always kind of in that space and in 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.600 that mindset, and it's like a very new not a 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:48.680 lot of TV is doing it, even though Futurama and 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.520 Simpsons have always been self referential, so could you talk 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.480 a little bit about that, because I thought it was crazy, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.000 like just how many thematic and like humor similarities it 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:58.240 shared with the Sahok finale. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:58.840 Oh that's funny. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.200 I haven't actually thought about it, but I think, you know, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.359 I think all that stuff to be traced back to 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.960 even like the Simpsons, Like that was the first time 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.800 I ever remember as a kid watching a show of 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.280 being like, oh, people write this, like people, like not 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.480 even like just one person, it's like multiple people. Like 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.720 I just I think there's actually like an early Simpsons 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.520 episode where Bart and Lisa become like a writing team 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.160 and they they they write for like Itchy and Scratchy 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.320 and they make Grandpa's Grandpa Simpson be the actual adult. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.560 But like there's even like a running riff in that 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.200 between like Harvard writers and like Yell writers and like 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:31.800 a beef. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.800 That I know, those things that existed, so like I 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:34.840 definitely think that was. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.440 Like sort of the early like the older like genesis 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.919 of that is like seeing these sort of behind the scenes, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.040 very very very niche jokes for like a very for 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.920 a job, for a job where even now they're only 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.760 like what ten thousand members of the WJ. Yeah, something 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.000 like that, like as a joke for not a lot 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.040 of people, but like that's the first That was the 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.760 first show I remember watching and being like, oh, writers 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.960 are like things that exist. And also the Simpsons make 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.760 a point of, like at least once the season making 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.040 fun of television writers. 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:06.280 Yeah, you know. 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.960 Yeah, Futurama was was lucky in that we had you know, 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.959 Patrick Verone, who was who was like the previous WJ president, 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.120 so like he's the one that actually has the line 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.119 in the show that like I died, I do it, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.879 died doing what I hated. Like I think that's just 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.280 like a time model of traditionion that I was lucky 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.280 enough to stumble onto. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:24.639 You know. 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.399 How, like how far into the process would you be 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.399 before you'd start to see like visuals you start to 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.760 see any kind of you know, generated stuff to let 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:40.879 you know like what the scenes might be looking like. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.200 This is uh, I will say future. First of all, 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:45.399 it's all we we had there. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.400 So we had a cast and crew screening like maybe 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:51.920 two weeks ago, and one of the animation directors gave 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.520 a really lovely speech, but at the end of it 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.639 he was like, our job is to see a script 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.919 and be like, this is impossible, and then I had 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.200 a conversation with David going to be like is it 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:03.320 that impossible? And then we have to make it possible. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:10.160 So we honestly saw no visuals. It was pretty much 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.800 everything that we wrote was like, Bestley, what would make 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.320 it into it? And there was another running joke that 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.040 that they would always have. It was like the four 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:19.920 worst wards you never wanted to hear, which is we 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.600 need sign jokes. So like anytime you see like a 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.480 product or like a sign or a billboard, we would 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.680 spend half a day making like fifteen different alts of 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.719 what that joke could be, and then we email them 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.480 and then they would pick the best one. So like 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.200 it truly was like you'd read a script and like 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.439 they would be like there's a tumbleweed that blows by 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.359 and on the backgrounds a sign that says like this, 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.280 So like it truly is like you see how much 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.760 work the writers put into it. But then also how 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.360 it's sort of hand in hand with like the animation 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.440 team Roughhouse or rough Raft with the animation studio, and 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.480 they did They've been an animation studio for a Futurama 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.080 for forever. But like a lot of it is just 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.480 like off the dome from like that writers, and then 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.280 you'll sort of get like some more funds up when 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.119 you get like animatics back, like you'll see sort of 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.119 like the art the artistry that the artists bring to it, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.720 as far as like jokes, like I, well, this episode 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:09.920 hasn't come out, so I can't say it, but like 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.000 there's just some some stuff that they add to it 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.720 that's like you never it was not a joke, but 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:16.800 that was written down, but they added like a nice 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.000 fun visual joke, so it was it was, it was really, 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.119