Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast contains light spoilers for Futurama first couple
Speaker 1: of episodes and some heavier spoilers for the Adam Eves
Speaker 1: special episode of Invincible. Hello, my name is Jason Stepcio
Speaker 1: and I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision,
Speaker 1: the Crooked media podcast where we've dived deep in your
Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.
Speaker 2: In this episode, in the previously on, we are talking
Speaker 2: about Loki season two's trailer from the Struck Disney Corporation.
Speaker 1: Save us Loki, your only hope.
Speaker 2: There are any hope in the airlock. It's animated TV time,
Speaker 2: including the surprise Invincible season two zero episode about Atamy
Speaker 2: which was delightful, and the amazing Futurama season eleven with
Speaker 2: cody'sig Zigla Drama's back, It's back baby in that out
Speaker 2: a comics recommendation question.
Speaker 3: And as I mentioned, we are joined today by Cody A.
Speaker 4: I am good.
Speaker 5: I am fresh off of picking this Struck Company Disney
Speaker 5: this afternoon, and even though the humidity is out, everyone
Speaker 5: is also still loud. It was this is the first
Speaker 5: time I've been there since Sag has joined the fold.
Speaker 5: Not unlike the rest of the Avengers are joining. Uh,
Speaker 5: Captain America on your left, don your left, Yeah, I am.
Speaker 5: I am so glad that new blood is out there
Speaker 5: because I was so drained after only their being there
Speaker 5: for like forty minutes in the heat. So it is
Speaker 5: definitely nice seeing some like young enthusiastic faces. Also, uh,
Speaker 5: I forget how many children are actually in SAG. So
Speaker 5: I was out there there like there are a lot
Speaker 5: of kids. I was like, I forget that there are
Speaker 5: legitimately a lot of children in this union because I
Speaker 5: was like, man, these people really brought all their children out.
Speaker 5: Then I'm like, oh wait, these are actual union members
Speaker 5: of SAG. So that explains why they are like eight
Speaker 5: year olds on the line. That makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: How evil do you have to be as in a
Speaker 2: corporation that you have an eight year old picket in
Speaker 2: the year that's so sick at your children of the future?
Speaker 4: Baby?
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: Let me just say I was at I was picketing
Speaker 1: Universal last week in the heat, in the in the
Speaker 1: extreme heat of the valley. For the event was just
Speaker 1: a normal picnic, but it was all comics writers or
Speaker 1: friend zeb Wells was there. Our friend Andrew t was there.
Speaker 1: Other people were there, lots of folks. But one thing
Speaker 1: I found out at this particular picket on Lancashire Boulevard
Speaker 1: in the Valley is that SAG is not allowed to
Speaker 1: picket there because it's literally too dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really they were afraid that, like a note, some notable
Speaker 1: actor could get smushed. And it's true because you're crossing
Speaker 1: a lot of roads. Also, they've like done you know,
Speaker 1: this is the place where they cut the trees, and
Speaker 1: it's also the place where I guess they had to
Speaker 1: do some construction on the sidewalk. Yeah, so you have
Speaker 1: to walk in the street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just saw today.
Speaker 2: I think somebody shed that maybe they've made they've now
Speaker 2: made a new gate to make it safe for people
Speaker 2: to pick it there, which is something SAG has been
Speaker 2: asking for for a long time because as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: like with the cut trees, which was done against the
Speaker 2: city regulations, they've definitely been making that as hard a
Speaker 2: place as possible for people to pick it, just the nuts.
Speaker 1: It's also the place where apparently people have been intentionally
Speaker 1: hit by cars, cars trying to hit people over there.
Speaker 5: I think it's also funny that they were like, you know,
Speaker 5: this is where the combook creators can go.
Speaker 4: They've went to them. There they'll go.
Speaker 3: They don't have a union.
Speaker 4: Does the world need another Wally West story? We don't know.
Speaker 4: Send them there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into it. Coming up next. Previously on
Speaker 1: first up in the previously on the Loki season two trailer,
Speaker 1: which came out today. We're taping this on a Monday,
Speaker 1: and uh the trailer appeared this morning with a wonderful
Speaker 1: surprise the appearance of Ki Kwan as Orobaros and folks,
Speaker 1: let's hope that this is the is the show that
Speaker 1: can swing things back to good feelings for the MCU
Speaker 1: on television, because it looked fun and it was great
Speaker 1: to be to spend time with some old favorites. Your thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: I think they're in a tough situation because it is
Speaker 2: very Kang focused as much as they kind of.
Speaker 1: Only appears his face. This only appears for like half
Speaker 1: a second.
Speaker 3: It feels like out of the threat I do.
Speaker 2: I will, I will say I have a piece coming out,
Speaker 2: which was my theory all along, which I'm sticking to now,
Speaker 2: which is I hope there is an easy fix for
Speaker 2: this entire situation, which is Ravona Renslayer was Kang in
Speaker 2: the comics during the Terminatrix objective, and it would be
Speaker 2: really easy to just make Ravona Kang and.
Speaker 3: Let Google have her moment in the Sun. I think it.
Speaker 2: I think it's really smart. Yeah, it looks fun. Disney,
Speaker 2: pay your writers, like pay some actors too, Like sounds
Speaker 2: like they're they're also strong.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was like co directed by Justin
Speaker 2: Benson and Aaron Moorehead who are like really weird in
Speaker 2: the horror guys who've made a lot of like cosmic horror.
Speaker 2: So that was interesting when I found that out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, any thoughts, you know, I will say it. I
Speaker 5: did watch the trailer today. I will say the thing
Speaker 5: that I've always been drawn to most about the Loki
Speaker 5: series that it seems like the most outside of gardens
Speaker 5: of the Galaxy, the most tapped into, like how fun
Speaker 5: the cosmic side of.
Speaker 4: Like Marvel could be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like even with this trailer, like it seemed fun,
Speaker 5: it seemed like the most comic bookie. It seems like
Speaker 5: it's the most it's the series that gels together the most.
Speaker 5: I think consistently, Like I think, like with one division,
Speaker 5: like those first six or seven episodes when it was
Speaker 5: just a TV episode from a different decade, like they
Speaker 5: sort of like lean into like the medium, which is
Speaker 5: like this, this is like a fun like almost like
Speaker 5: Quantum leap Rick and Morty type of like yeah, TV show,
Speaker 5: And like I'm gonna be optimistic, Like I enjoyed the
Speaker 5: trailer owhen Wilson looks like he's having like a lot
Speaker 5: of fun in this. Yeah, So like I'm I'm remaining
Speaker 5: optimistic and I am very curious to see like how
Speaker 5: the Kang of it all is one of sort of
Speaker 5: like sort itself out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that is the question.
Speaker 3: That's the big question.
Speaker 1: I think. Here's my Well, I guess this is a prediction.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, Rosie in that they'll There was
Speaker 1: probably some last minute tweaking, but they will. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: let this series run as it was intended to run,
Speaker 1: and that poosts this they'll move on from. Certainly Jonathan
Speaker 1: Major's as Kang, and maybe Kang in general is like
Speaker 1: the focus. But I also feel like the flash probably
Speaker 1: gave them some cover. Weirdly in a terrible way to
Speaker 1: think about it the Flash gone away, I keep running.
Speaker 2: I think I think that was definitely influential. I think
Speaker 2: because the Flash didn't make a lot of money, that
Speaker 2: also probably impacted the way they decided to go forward,
Speaker 2: Like it was released, but it wasn't a hit, you know,
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see how that influences them. Also,
Speaker 2: I do need to say something I find very interesting
Speaker 2: about this is like, so that this is very like
Speaker 2: you're saying, like the Rick and Morty of it all.
Speaker 3: So Loki seems to be in this situation.
Speaker 2: Where he's like time slipping they call it, where he
Speaker 2: kind of can't control where he's going. Yeah, that's very
Speaker 2: similar to the conceit of the Marvels where they keep
Speaker 2: switching between time and space. I am unsure whether that
Speaker 2: is going to be connected or whether it's just a
Speaker 2: total coincidence, because this I would have before been like
Speaker 2: this is obviously there's some kind of cosmic entanglement, But
Speaker 2: nowadays I'm just interested to see how that plays out
Speaker 2: because it seems very similar.
Speaker 3: But it looks fun. I like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: Also, you know, the conceit of Marvels that they are
Speaker 5: not afraid to recast anyone, no matter how many movies
Speaker 5: you've been in, so like, yeah, also what the added
Speaker 5: benefit of like you know, there's an infinite number of kings,
Speaker 5: so like you know, all of a sudden, we're going
Speaker 5: to go to a king exactly thirty seven QB. It's
Speaker 5: like a little different than than maybe the other kings
Speaker 5: we've seen, so like, yeah, and there's.
Speaker 2: Time there's times in the comment where Kang is like
Speaker 2: more of a mantle like that, different people from different
Speaker 2: earths have you know, So I think, yeah, there's lots
Speaker 2: of space that will be very interesting. Only six episodes,
Speaker 2: so that will be interesting to see how it goes down.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I think what is it October? Some good yeah,
Speaker 2: some good chill in time from now to then, and
Speaker 2: hopefully it can come in with a bang and hopefully
Speaker 2: everyone who worked on it got paid on time. We
Speaker 2: know that didn't happen with some of the Secret Invasion folks,
Speaker 2: as we heard cat Vasco saying on the picket line,
Speaker 2: so oh my god, yeah we've paid.
Speaker 1: Hold on, let's talk about this, okay.
Speaker 2: So essentially cat Vasco, who was a co producer I
Speaker 2: believe and a writer on Secret invasion said that Disney
Speaker 2: thought that if they paid people on time to work
Speaker 2: on MCU shows, they wouldn't be as eager to like
Speaker 2: work hard.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read I'm going to read the quote
Speaker 1: here it is. So this is again from cat Vasco
Speaker 1: as told to the rap uh and here is the
Speaker 1: quote quote. Their explanation was, and this is about writers
Speaker 1: getting paid on time, which is a continual issue, whether
Speaker 1: it's the w G A SAG, getting your money is
Speaker 1: a multi week, multi month process. There are there are
Speaker 1: things in the contracts that say that stipulate you have
Speaker 1: to be paid according to a certain timetable. And honestly,
Speaker 1: the a mt PTP in the studio is just ignoring.
Speaker 4: It, and they ignore it.
Speaker 3: Braz keep ignoring it.
Speaker 1: We're going to keep ignoring it. Yeah. Yeah, they've been very,
Speaker 1: very very straightforward about the fact that they are not
Speaker 1: going to adhere to any kind of payment deadlines. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here is cat mascow to the rap quote. Their explanation
Speaker 1: the AMPTP was, then we wouldn't be incentivized to work
Speaker 1: as hard. It's insulting to hear with the amount of
Speaker 1: work that we're already that we already do for free,
Speaker 1: so Kat essentially saying that what she got from a
Speaker 1: conversation one would one would surmise from some Disney exec
Speaker 1: was that, Uh, the reason we can't pay you is
Speaker 1: because then you guys are just gonna go and play
Speaker 1: Fortnite and I'm just gonna buy some relaxing Yeah, and listen,
Speaker 1: I'm suretranged if you I'm sure that if you could
Speaker 1: get this exec on the record, it was not what
Speaker 1: I meant at all. I just meant it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't mean that at.
Speaker 3: Taking out of context.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Trying to say, I understand how much the writers love
Speaker 1: the work. They do it to the passion of the work.
Speaker 3: You understand it. They creativity, Like David Saslov said, we
Speaker 3: all love it. That's why we'll get back to work
Speaker 3: for the love of making things.
Speaker 4: I love being in a room for eight to ten
Speaker 4: hours a day not getting paid.
Speaker 1: I love wondering where the money is coming from, saying
Speaker 1: you're emailing you're rep saying hey, can you bug them again? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I ran I'm like, this is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I was happy to see the comic book writers picket,
Speaker 2: because like, this is a similar thing in comics. I
Speaker 2: love to write a script to a specific commission and
Speaker 2: then be told that the commission has changed and have
Speaker 2: to rewrite it for free.
Speaker 3: And that happens a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh actually, now this character can't be involved or this
Speaker 2: character can't do that, so can you rewrite it? And
Speaker 2: know you're your contract that you signed does not a
Speaker 2: work via contract give you money for rewrites?
Speaker 3: Like the amount of free work people.
Speaker 2: Are already doing in creative industries is like people don't
Speaker 2: even realize how much of.
Speaker 3: What you do is free.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, another think, I think it. I think it
Speaker 5: took me a month to get my first Sheehawk paycheck
Speaker 5: now that I think about it, Like, I just went
Speaker 5: back to my emails to look when my starting was
Speaker 5: and when my first actual check was and it was
Speaker 5: thirty days to the actual time that I started.
Speaker 4: So continues.
Speaker 1: Yes, up next Futurama and Adam Eve. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: something much more fun, and that is Futurama on Hulu,
Speaker 1: or at least on the Struck Company Hulu that is
Speaker 1: owned by multiple Struck companies. But one of one of
Speaker 1: the writers on that particular series is Cody zig Ziggler,
Speaker 1: who has once again managed to sneak himself into a
Speaker 1: frame of a television program.
Speaker 3: Making yourself canon in every series.
Speaker 1: Yes, tell us about futur On returning to the screen.
Speaker 5: It's a I'm not sure Like most people, actually, I'm sure,
Speaker 5: Like both of you are huge fans of The Simpsons
Speaker 5: and Futuruma growing up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, When I, you know, got the call that I
Speaker 5: was coming back and I could be a part of it,
Speaker 5: it was a dream come true. I am a huge
Speaker 5: fan of that series and the Simpsons. Like you know,
Speaker 5: I probably I've seen every episode of The Simpsons from
Speaker 5: season one to at least nine, at least five times,
Speaker 5: if I had to guess, Yeah, and you know, as
Speaker 5: someone you know, you guys have sort of been with
Speaker 5: me as my director of my career has continued on
Speaker 5: from like you know, she hoped to Rick and Morty
Speaker 5: to this, so like you can look at my resume
Speaker 5: and see what kind of stuff I'm into, which is
Speaker 5: like the sci fi stuff of it all.
Speaker 4: But like one thing that I thought really sort of stuck.
Speaker 5: Out with the Futurama writers in particular, show ran by
Speaker 5: David Exco one super super super funny talented guys.
Speaker 4: That they really are like a NERD's nerd.
Speaker 5: Like, this is the only show I've worked on where
Speaker 5: like multiple people in the room had PhDs and they
Speaker 5: would spend thirty to forty minutes a day trying to
Speaker 5: make a joke about a very specific math theorem that
Speaker 5: would be on the back of a chalkboard that I
Speaker 5: just couldn't understand.
Speaker 4: They were really passionate about.
Speaker 2: This is like you in the Sheehock room, Yeah, telling
Speaker 2: people about dead about like quantum physics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, this is me.
Speaker 5: Pulling up my Daredevil comic, but it's them talking about
Speaker 5: like what how many angles are in an actual triangle?
Speaker 5: But that triangle now is going to be whatever that
Speaker 5: there's a very specific geometry drink in the first episode
Speaker 5: that when they spent twenty minutes trying to figure out
Speaker 5: how exactly this shape would form. And that was very
Speaker 5: much every episode of that show was like the two
Speaker 5: or three PhD guys, you know, trying to get their
Speaker 5: very very niche jokes while everyone else is like, yeah,
Speaker 5: but would have been just slipped on like a space
Speaker 5: space banana like stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: It was very fun and it was also it's it
Speaker 5: was just so cool, you know, seeing how the soup
Speaker 5: is made, how the sausage is Like, you know, we
Speaker 5: were lucky in that half the room where sort of
Speaker 5: like these old school o G guys and like the
Speaker 5: other half where people our ah, so like you know,
Speaker 5: we get we got to. I mean, as you'll see
Speaker 5: in later episodes, really add like sort of our perspective
Speaker 5: on things and seeing how you know, sort of like
Speaker 5: you know, it's such a fun mass mash thing, like
Speaker 5: here's a reference to like a sixties like bubblegum commercial
Speaker 5: and now we're going to have a reference to black mirror,
Speaker 5: Like that's basically yeah, scary mirror. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of fun stuff like that.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I found really interesting about
Speaker 2: this and Sheeholk can obviously reckon more hears in this
Speaker 2: space too, but like you know, the Sheahowk finale and
Speaker 2: then the opening of Futurama, it's like super meta TV
Speaker 2: about TV and TV writing. What is it about those stories?
Speaker 2: Like you're always kind of in that space and in
Speaker 2: that mindset, and it's like a very new not a
Speaker 2: lot of TV is doing it, even though Futurama and
Speaker 2: Simpsons have always been self referential, so could you talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about that, because I thought it was crazy,
Speaker 2: like just how many thematic and like humor similarities it
Speaker 2: shared with the Sahok finale.
Speaker 4: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 5: I haven't actually thought about it, but I think, you know,
Speaker 5: I think all that stuff to be traced back to
Speaker 5: even like the Simpsons, Like that was the first time
Speaker 5: I ever remember as a kid watching a show of
Speaker 5: being like, oh, people write this, like people, like not
Speaker 5: even like just one person, it's like multiple people. Like
Speaker 5: I just I think there's actually like an early Simpsons
Speaker 5: episode where Bart and Lisa become like a writing team
Speaker 5: and they they they write for like Itchy and Scratchy
Speaker 5: and they make Grandpa's Grandpa Simpson be the actual adult.
Speaker 5: But like there's even like a running riff in that
Speaker 5: between like Harvard writers and like Yell writers and like
Speaker 5: a beef.
Speaker 4: That I know, those things that existed, so like I
Speaker 4: definitely think that was.
Speaker 5: Like sort of the early like the older like genesis
Speaker 5: of that is like seeing these sort of behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: very very very niche jokes for like a very for
Speaker 5: a job, for a job where even now they're only
Speaker 5: like what ten thousand members of the WJ. Yeah, something
Speaker 5: like that, like as a joke for not a lot
Speaker 5: of people, but like that's the first That was the
Speaker 5: first show I remember watching and being like, oh, writers
Speaker 5: are like things that exist. And also the Simpsons make
Speaker 5: a point of, like at least once the season making
Speaker 5: fun of television writers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Futurama was was lucky in that we had you know,
Speaker 5: Patrick Verone, who was who was like the previous WJ president,
Speaker 5: so like he's the one that actually has the line
Speaker 5: in the show that like I died, I do it,
Speaker 5: died doing what I hated. Like I think that's just
Speaker 5: like a time model of traditionion that I was lucky
Speaker 5: enough to stumble onto.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: How, like how far into the process would you be
Speaker 1: before you'd start to see like visuals you start to
Speaker 1: see any kind of you know, generated stuff to let
Speaker 1: you know like what the scenes might be looking like.
Speaker 4: This is uh, I will say future. First of all,
Speaker 4: it's all we we had there.
Speaker 5: So we had a cast and crew screening like maybe
Speaker 5: two weeks ago, and one of the animation directors gave
Speaker 5: a really lovely speech, but at the end of it
Speaker 5: he was like, our job is to see a script
Speaker 5: and be like, this is impossible, and then I had
Speaker 5: a conversation with David going to be like is it
Speaker 5: that impossible? And then we have to make it possible.
Speaker 5: So we honestly saw no visuals. It was pretty much
Speaker 5: everything that we wrote was like, Bestley, what would make
Speaker 5: it into it? And there was another running joke that
Speaker 5: that they would always have. It was like the four
Speaker 5: worst wards you never wanted to hear, which is we
Speaker 5: need sign jokes. So like anytime you see like a
Speaker 5: product or like a sign or a billboard, we would
Speaker 5: spend half a day making like fifteen different alts of
Speaker 5: what that joke could be, and then we email them
Speaker 5: and then they would pick the best one. So like
Speaker 5: it truly was like you'd read a script and like
Speaker 5: they would be like there's a tumbleweed that blows by
Speaker 5: and on the backgrounds a sign that says like this,
Speaker 5: So like it truly is like you see how much
Speaker 5: work the writers put into it. But then also how
Speaker 5: it's sort of hand in hand with like the animation
Speaker 5: team Roughhouse or rough Raft with the animation studio, and
Speaker 5: they did They've been an animation studio for a Futurama
Speaker 5: for forever. But like a lot of it is just
Speaker 5: like off the dome from like that writers, and then
Speaker 5: you'll sort of get like some more funds up when
Speaker 5: you get like animatics back, like you'll see sort of
Speaker 5: like the art the artistry that the artists bring to it,
Speaker 5: as far as like jokes, like I, well, this episode
Speaker 5: hasn't come out, so I can't say it, but like
Speaker 5: there's just some some stuff that they add to it
Speaker 5: that's like you never it was not a joke, but
Speaker 5: that was written down, but they added like a nice
Speaker 5: fun visual joke, so it was it was, it was really,
Speaker 5: it was really cool seeing the stages from like the animatics,
Speaker 5: like the colored version to like the stick version versions
Speaker 5: and seeing like it actually comes like a full fledged thing.
Speaker 5: And now watching it on on you know, on the
Speaker 5: Struck Company Hulu, who will not say the writers decent wages,
Speaker 5: but they should.
Speaker 1: You posted two screenshots recently on your account on the
Speaker 1: social media platform now called x and we see from
Speaker 1: these screenshots that you've done it again. You've managed to
Speaker 1: get yourself into a frame of futurare much as you
Speaker 1: appeared on screen, and the she y' all tell me,
Speaker 1: how how do you do it? How do you keep
Speaker 1: doing it, and how did you do it this time?
Speaker 4: I completely lucked out?
Speaker 5: And that you know the finale for she opened, she
Speaker 5: comes to the writer's room and Jessica Guy the show runner,
Speaker 5: was like, hey, do you want to come on set?
Speaker 5: The only we can come on set because the regular
Speaker 5: middle of COVID is you'd be an extra. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I can send the background. It's like, who do I
Speaker 5: got to play? Is like, well, you got to play yourself?
Speaker 5: I was like, well I can do that all day long.
Speaker 5: So it's great. But for this, like the pilot episode originally,
Speaker 5: like they go to the writer's room and it's Patrick
Speaker 5: and there's another guy head in the jar.
Speaker 4: His name is Eric. He's like another old school writer.
Speaker 4: But that was really it.
Speaker 5: And then you know, we were like we had we
Speaker 5: had got like an animatic version in like with is
Speaker 5: like the black and white version. And then David was like, hey,
Speaker 5: new writers, can you just like send a couple of
Speaker 5: pictures of yourself to the staff and if you guys
Speaker 5: want to be in the TV show, If not, you
Speaker 5: don't have to. They like immediately I made like a
Speaker 5: folder with like all my records and stuff, like if
Speaker 5: you notice like if you I'm sure Jason has seen it.
Speaker 5: But like the blue sweatshirt I have is just my
Speaker 5: La sweatshirt that I wear all the time. Like there's
Speaker 5: a gold chain, like that's my that's it's like people
Speaker 5: at home can't see it, but it's my black panther chain.
Speaker 5: It's exact same chain I wear, and she whole episode
Speaker 5: like it's truly just like, hey, just send a bunch
Speaker 5: of pictures and like you will make a Simpsons slash
Speaker 5: Futurama version of you, which is like honestly, like that
Speaker 5: was the dream, Like I've always wanted to be like
Speaker 5: in like one of these cartoons. So like getting that,
Speaker 5: sitting that off, and like like a month later I
Speaker 5: got back like a little picture of me next to
Speaker 5: Fry is like a scale thing, and like my note
Speaker 5: was like can you make me taller than Fry?
Speaker 4: That's all. That's the only.
Speaker 5: So like I would like to get a three peet
Speaker 5: after the after the strike is settled and we're paid
Speaker 5: some lievable wages, Like I would love to continue the
Speaker 5: the the trend of sneaking of weasling my way into
Speaker 5: a cameo into his shows that I'm working on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also so are you now ready to be
Speaker 2: killed off in a future show? Because that's like the
Speaker 2: joy of I always think about Girl Morrison, who obviously
Speaker 2: famously put themselves into Animal Man and then like as
Speaker 2: someone in DC universe. But just like we're killing him,
Speaker 2: Gron exists in this universe, so now we can there
Speaker 2: a character. So are you ready for your likeness to
Speaker 2: be used in nefarious ways?
Speaker 5: I welcome, I welcome my animated death. Please let it
Speaker 5: be a swift death. I would love nothing more than
Speaker 5: be like blown up by like bender in like an
Speaker 5: episode of Futura.
Speaker 1: So you have managed to slip yourself through the fourth
Speaker 1: wall into the scenes of both She Hulk and Futurama.
Speaker 1: And I can't help but notice, as a as a
Speaker 1: a reader of your fine work in the comic book pages,
Speaker 1: that it appears that you've also slipped your good friend
Speaker 1: Jessica Goal into the pages of Miles Morales as a
Speaker 1: police officer, as the police police officer, Agent Gal, who's
Speaker 1: out here just trying to rain in Miles Morales's shine
Speaker 1: and give an opportunity trying to you know, is it
Speaker 1: always like one inch from bringing him in in cuffs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's becoming like a running jock at
Speaker 5: this point, where she's always like I'm about to bust
Speaker 5: your ass, but somehow she gets out of it. You know,
Speaker 5: it really wasn't too disclimbered from our relationship in the
Speaker 5: Shiyoak room. She's like, I'm about to I need to
Speaker 5: keep on the straight and narrow Zigler and I would
Speaker 5: say I'd use all my way out of it. You know,
Speaker 5: I need I need this outline now. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: totally got it to you. Did I get to do
Speaker 5: like a day late? Like, yeah, I have a fun
Speaker 5: running theme where like I like to put my friends
Speaker 5: in my comic books. And it's going to be what
Speaker 5: better way to like have a nice insult jab at
Speaker 5: my good friend Gavin making her a cough that's trying
Speaker 5: to take down the hero of the book, and it's
Speaker 5: constantly going to be a thorn in his side.
Speaker 3: That's extremely shady. It's good. And what's what's like this
Speaker 3: to be?
Speaker 2: We've been talking to about like struck companies and the
Speaker 2: strikes and how you're picking and stuff. What's it like
Speaker 2: to like walk on a show like this that's basically
Speaker 2: like a dream gig or something that you love and
Speaker 2: then launch it and then have it come out like
Speaker 2: during the strike, Like, what's that kind of duale you've been.
Speaker 5: Like, it's a very I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 5: if Jason, I don't know if you had another show.
Speaker 5: I don't know if your shit came out pre strike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came out, came out, w GA strike was
Speaker 2: on it like a week before the WGA strike really hit,
Speaker 2: and we couldn't go to our premiere, for instance, because
Speaker 2: the action had started.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean I'm sorry you sort of feel
Speaker 5: the same similar way, where like you put Yeah, for me,
Speaker 5: literally like fifty six weeks a year plus worth of
Speaker 5: work into a project. So like you know, we're supposed
Speaker 5: to have to supposed to go to Comic Contact a
Speaker 5: big launch where I saw pictures that seemed like the
Speaker 5: launch was still there.
Speaker 4: We obviously couldn't go.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 5: It's sort of twofold. Like one, it's a bummer that
Speaker 5: like I can't post more and share more, but also
Speaker 5: like you know, I not sharing a tweet or a
Speaker 5: text or a or an IG post is like small
Speaker 5: potatoes compared to like what you're actually fighting for. Like
Speaker 5: and also the WJA they did carve out, Like yes,
Speaker 5: you can post stuff, but you can't do it directly
Speaker 5: under the the permission of a struck company, which is
Speaker 5: like why I could like post those things or come
Speaker 5: on this show, Like I wasn't asked by like Disney
Speaker 5: to come on or anything like that. But it, you know,
Speaker 5: it sucks for like especially like the actors and stuff
Speaker 5: who like you know, they came back after twenty years
Speaker 5: to do this stuff, but they can't promote it and
Speaker 5: they did fantastic work, and like the cast and crew
Speaker 5: who you know, for their unions, like they can't post
Speaker 5: about it. Like it definitely definitely is like a huge
Speaker 5: bummer because like you know, again we did have a premiere,
Speaker 5: We had like a cast and crew screening, which was
Speaker 5: you know, definitely more intimate. It was cool in that regard,
Speaker 5: but like you know, for for Shield, they had like
Speaker 5: you know, the fucking theater roped out and they're like
Speaker 5: cameras everywhere, and like, oh, I understand why these things exist,
Speaker 5: Like yes, is to like roll out this big thing
Speaker 5: and like blah blah blah, but also it is to
Speaker 5: celebrate the yeah, the hundreds and sometimes thousands of people
Speaker 5: that work on these projects, so you know, it's it's
Speaker 5: a bittersweet, like I'm bummed that we can't enjoy it more.
Speaker 5: But I also you know, I I that's part of
Speaker 5: the the handshake agreement when you enter tune union, is
Speaker 5: that like for solidarity, Like we can't do these things.
Speaker 5: So like that's why me and Jason are out here
Speaker 5: on the lines at ninety degree eighty or forty percent humidity.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: With Primo, you know, obviously Ceaz for you know, most
Speaker 1: of the writers to just not tweet not Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's fine.
Speaker 5: Also that writers aren't really putting butts and seeds, you know,
Speaker 5: no one's coming from exactly, like what's Cody Zigger got.
Speaker 4: To say about the Futurama, you know.
Speaker 1: And with Primo was interesting because you know, the writers
Speaker 1: went on strike and SAG was still negotiating at that time,
Speaker 1: so the writers got to do the promo. But who
Speaker 1: I really felt bad for was Shay who created the
Speaker 1: show and it's based on his life and he put
Speaker 1: a ton of heart into it. It not to mention
Speaker 1: you know, it's his family members or represented there in
Speaker 1: the show. And then so to not be able to
Speaker 1: promote it. I felt bad for him. That was that
Speaker 1: that I felt badly about because so much work and
Speaker 1: heart went into that and to not be able to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we really, we really brought you something here,
Speaker 1: We really tried to make something special. And to not
Speaker 1: be able to do that when you know you're so
Speaker 1: attached to it created it, et cetera. That made me
Speaker 1: feel badly. But otherwise it's been very easy to not
Speaker 1: tweet about stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also the claimed Primo like the reviews did
Speaker 2: it themselves.
Speaker 3: The reviews have been promoting the show.
Speaker 1: Been very fortunate that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I guess to echo Jason's it's as it's
Speaker 5: It's never been an easier time not to want to
Speaker 5: use Twitter than the past thirteen weeks.
Speaker 4: Like the perfect time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you elon something we never say.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And I just know right now Linda Yakarino, who was
Speaker 1: recently in Los Angeles doing like a charm offensive and
Speaker 1: all the big agencies trying to get you know, celebs
Speaker 1: to x about X or to say anything about X
Speaker 1: and be like X is so cool. You just know
Speaker 1: that Linda was talking to to whoever would be able
Speaker 1: to give them, allow them to say X Gonna give
Speaker 1: it to you and use a snippet of the song
Speaker 1: promote they wish you just know that that was how
Speaker 1: can we get X Gonna give It to you as
Speaker 1: part of our promo for the social media platform X.
Speaker 2: Formerly, I think people would have bought the head like
Speaker 2: the luve, but that you just couldn't do it, Like no,
Speaker 2: I'm are glad that she failed that that.
Speaker 3: I mean, does anyone even call it X? I don't
Speaker 3: have a Twitter account anymore, so I don't know, but
Speaker 3: people still calling it Twitter. I'd be proud if I
Speaker 3: say it.
Speaker 1: Believe it's still it's still early days. But let the
Speaker 1: brand brand give X a chance, given a chance, let
Speaker 1: cook folks, let it give it a shot.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, this is not I'm sure someone
Speaker 5: plenty of people have had this take already, but like
Speaker 5: it just seems it's so comic, Like it's just like
Speaker 5: where is Charles Xavier at? Like this is like it's
Speaker 5: such an easy one to one with, like comic book
Speaker 5: and like like the reality of like this does not
Speaker 5: make sense in like reality, like naming a company actually
Speaker 5: seems so cartooniously nefarious that I it's hard to like
Speaker 5: defy thee.
Speaker 3: Must be so bad.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how much money they had to
Speaker 2: pay on the SEO to make that even come up
Speaker 2: on the page.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, when you when you search, when you search Twitter,
Speaker 1: X comes up, so they've somehow they paid a lot.
Speaker 1: But listen, this is why you and I are not
Speaker 1: business geniuses. When you have a brand that is instantly
Speaker 1: recognizable to billions, what you want to do, actually is
Speaker 1: you want to change it. You want to change it
Speaker 1: to something completely different. It's not synonymous with what you
Speaker 1: do right, and you want to just switch it up
Speaker 1: that way. And you will never understand that. I will
Speaker 1: never understand that.
Speaker 2: Forty so many five D chests, five double D chest,
Speaker 2: Solve for X.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 3: You can use that use that one for free, Use.
Speaker 1: That one for free. Solve for X. Can use Solve
Speaker 1: for X. I can see it on the bus stop
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 4: X marks the spot. It's like a little Pirates.
Speaker 3: Guys. Guys, you're meant to be, You're meant to be
Speaker 3: on strike. Free free gems say, guys, let me give
Speaker 3: a free.
Speaker 1: X ray Vision will be back.
Speaker 4: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the surprise drop of the Invincible season
Speaker 1: two episode Adam Eve Special Episode prequel episode The Origin
Speaker 1: Story of Adam Eve on the Struck Amazon Prime Struck
Speaker 1: Strong Network. I was shocked to see this pop up
Speaker 1: in my in my feet. I immediately watched it, and
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, folks, Invincible still got it.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 2: The way that the animation team make this show look
Speaker 2: instantly familiar to people who watch like anime, but also
Speaker 2: like completely different.
Speaker 3: Like that fight scene with Adam Eve and.
Speaker 2: The kind of the big fight at the end, so
Speaker 2: I won't spoil kind of who she's fighting with, but
Speaker 2: like the way they use camera moved mom in that
Speaker 2: it feels like a danger Like it's like so different,
Speaker 2: very animal, and there's all this this camera movement, the sweeps,
Speaker 2: Like the action in this show is just unreal, and
Speaker 2: it's nice to see them. You know, she still has
Speaker 2: a very invincible backstory, very depressing and violent, because that's
Speaker 2: the nature of Invincible, but it's nice to see her
Speaker 2: get a little bit of character work here, Like I
Speaker 2: could see them do this for most of the characters Invincible,
Speaker 2: and I would love to see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kept thinking that, like I could just watch
Speaker 5: a series of just these off characters that, yeah, I
Speaker 5: guess Adam Adam Eve gets a little bit because he
Speaker 5: gets more work than a lot of them. But like
Speaker 5: I could watch like a Monster Girl like exactly or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, I could watch Rex Bludes, like Origin Story,
Speaker 5: I can watch any of those or even like I
Speaker 5: don't want to sport it, but like, you know, the
Speaker 5: the like I'm really excited to see, Like for those
Speaker 5: who've read the Invincible comics, like for me, for my money,
Speaker 5: like the ending coda for like the ending like twenty
Speaker 5: thirty pages of Invincible were like to me, is like
Speaker 5: probably the best in the indy superhero comic I've ever
Speaker 5: read ever.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like I could fully just.
Speaker 1: Watch the best Kirkman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely the best.
Speaker 1: It's the absolute best Kirkman.
Speaker 5: It's it's like you just like you can't be like
Speaker 5: I could watch fully just two hours of that code,
Speaker 5: Like I could just watch that.
Speaker 4: In forever, but I think that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like one of the craziest things too, is
Speaker 3: like you know you have two iconic you have Corey Walker,
Speaker 3: you have Ryan Otley. Yeah, and like the way that
Speaker 3: they translate like this looks like it, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: look like.
Speaker 2: But it also looks like the best of the DCAU,
Speaker 2: but it also looks like anime or like especially it's
Speaker 2: so visually pleasing, Like I understand why when they surprise
Speaker 2: dropped this, like everyone lost their ship, because it also
Speaker 2: is like it still has all the things people like
Speaker 2: about Invincible. It's by the time you get to the end,
Speaker 2: there's some really horrific shit going down. Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: really do some grotesque stuff, but it has that hard
Speaker 2: it has that punch, and then you get this really
Speaker 2: fun like what's Mark been up to?
Speaker 3: Sting and that.
Speaker 2: Also somehow manages to really hit even though it's just
Speaker 2: like it's mostly a bit, but the end has this
Speaker 2: like little heft.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just thought this was so good and obviously Surprise
Speaker 2: dropping it probably because of the strike.
Speaker 3: Just to bring it up.
Speaker 2: Again, like let's people really couldn't have people out there
Speaker 2: promoting this, but like, it was really good and I
Speaker 2: hope people got paid. I mean, that first Invincible season
Speaker 2: blew my mind because if I'm not mistaken, that was
Speaker 2: Amazon and Skybound essentially creating like an animation studio. Like
Speaker 2: I think that it was like more like produced by them,
Speaker 2: and the idea was to keep making other animated stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's just like so good visually, like there's no
Speaker 2: one else right now is making superhero animation that compares
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does something really great, which is and The
Speaker 1: Boys does this too, And I think you know, whether
Speaker 1: consciously or unconsciously, struck company, Amazon Prime Studios has kind
Speaker 1: of backed into a brand with regards to its superhero stuff,
Speaker 1: which is this kind of deconstruction of Superman of superheroes.
Speaker 1: And the great thing about Invincible what I loved about
Speaker 1: season one and it's right there front and center and
Speaker 1: the Adam Eve prequel is that on the one hand,
Speaker 1: they are deconstructing the myths right and showing you the
Speaker 1: kind of like brutality and the very creaky like moral
Speaker 1: standing of superheroes, but also they're giving you the magic
Speaker 1: of what is great about like keeps it in general
Speaker 1: also like it's like, I mean, this prequel is all
Speaker 1: about a girl wanting to be special, wanting to find
Speaker 1: that thing that is special about her, and then that
Speaker 1: classic comic book thing of you get the thing that
Speaker 1: makes you special and then you are rejected for it,
Speaker 1: and that is just it is, and it is endlessly
Speaker 1: emotionally impactful. For at least for me, that is the
Speaker 1: thing that keeps me coming back to comic Like when
Speaker 1: I get a whiff of that, when I get like
Speaker 1: a hint of that kind of friction, that emotional like
Speaker 1: impact and a story, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is what I felt like, you know, originally reading
Speaker 1: comics as a kid. And this prequel does it. And
Speaker 1: it does it on multiple levels too. It's not just
Speaker 1: like Adam Eve getting rejected when she shows a friend
Speaker 1: like what is special artists spoil ler light spoiler. But
Speaker 1: then you also get that that that dichotomy of of
Speaker 1: what happens when the power the hero is aesthetically beautiful
Speaker 1: as compared to the kind of more monstrous villain, and
Speaker 1: what happens when that villain is warped by the fact
Speaker 1: that they are rejected by society because they don't look
Speaker 1: like everybody else. It's just like really good, just really
Speaker 1: good comic book stuff. Even though they are tearing it's
Speaker 1: simultaneously like tearing apart the troops of comic book stuff.
Speaker 1: They're also giving you the tropes in equal measure, and
Speaker 1: it just is really good yeah.
Speaker 2: I think something they did really well in the first
Speaker 2: season that they echo here in like a different way
Speaker 2: is kind of like the relationship between like Mark and
Speaker 2: his dad is revealed to be like a very abusive
Speaker 2: relationship in like its own way, and that was really
Speaker 2: interestingly done in the first season. But the way they
Speaker 2: dealt with that here with like Eve Adams's dad and
Speaker 2: the way he's like kind of emotionally abusive and neglect
Speaker 2: kill there are like these moments that just absolutely broke me.
Speaker 2: Like there's a moment where she's late for her own
Speaker 2: birthday and he's already eaten a slice of her cake.
Speaker 3: And that bit like she just says it. She's like,
Speaker 3: you ate my cake and she and it just it
Speaker 3: says so much.
Speaker 2: And they do such a good job of bothering to
Speaker 2: add nuance and detail and emotional backstory in a way
Speaker 2: that a lot of other supero TV doesn't get the
Speaker 2: time to but we do get the time to do
Speaker 2: in comics, like Invincible is so big, it went on
Speaker 2: for so long, so there's lots of space for nuance
Speaker 2: and conversation about emotions. We often don't get that when
Speaker 2: you're stripping it down for TV. But I feel like
Speaker 2: in this special, especially, they expanded on something they were
Speaker 2: already doing really well in the first season with these
Speaker 2: tiny moments that just hit like super hard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this show's really cracked the balance between the superhero
Speaker 5: big punching people through wall stuff, but like you really
Speaker 5: care about the family dynamics. Like anytime you go you
Speaker 5: see nick tier of her house and you go on
Speaker 5: your side, you know you're about to have your fucking
Speaker 5: heart Listen.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great point. It is not you would think, oh,
Speaker 1: I just watched someone get their head torn off in
Speaker 1: a cree fight scene, and now we're heading to the
Speaker 1: to the you know, a scene of domestic quietude. That's
Speaker 1: not it. Like I almost clench up more when I
Speaker 1: see the exterior of the house because you just know
Speaker 1: it's going to be an emotional battlefield with me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely as a scene where where Eve.
Speaker 1: Shows her powers to her friend and then her friend
Speaker 1: is just like so freaked out, was just so sad
Speaker 1: to me, so sad.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: It's just like they've done it again, folks, They've really
Speaker 1: done it again. And then the action is unbelievable, Like.
Speaker 2: That's the wildest thing to have, Like action that feels
Speaker 2: groundbreaking and different for Western animation, but also to have
Speaker 2: emotional have to actually makes you care about the characters
Speaker 2: is very impressive.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: The fight scene between they call it Guarding the Globes
Speaker 5: that that the Invincible, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Guardians of the Globe and the and the lizards
Speaker 1: to Quadron.
Speaker 5: The Squadrat and like you know that scene is like
Speaker 5: I've seen that fight a thousand times, and like marm
Speaker 5: and like the animated versions of Superman and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But like even having the added edge of like at
Speaker 5: any moment, Omniman could just fucking snap whoever, this queen lizard, whoever.
Speaker 5: Tatiana Maslani plays a character like any moment, he could
Speaker 5: like just snapper at half And like seeing that subdued
Speaker 5: like quiet rage, knowing that he could do that at
Speaker 5: any moment added such an extra texture of like fear
Speaker 5: and like stakes to these fights when normally you'd be like, yeah, right,
Speaker 5: we called the robbers, we saved the day. But like
Speaker 5: having that little bit of edge that the Invincible Universe brings,
Speaker 5: I think also adds like a sort of like subtle
Speaker 5: tension to all these fight scenes.
Speaker 2: Now that's such a good point because like, by the
Speaker 2: end of Invincible season one, you know the truth about
Speaker 2: Omni Man, but when we start this, because it's a prequel,
Speaker 2: he is still in that like Superman esque role. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you have that dramatic irony of knowing who he
Speaker 2: really is, but seeing him positioned as like the hero
Speaker 2: in this fire, and then learning that he is directly
Speaker 2: connected to the the origins of atam Eve in some
Speaker 2: strange ways. Like it's really smartly done, and you're right,
Speaker 2: it does add this level of like fear as you
Speaker 2: the viewer knowing what he can really do, whereas the
Speaker 2: wild Girl thinks he's you know, the.
Speaker 1: Hero, just an incredible and absolutely terrifying villain. Omniman and
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, in our in our discord,
Speaker 1: there was kind of a conversation going the last couple
Speaker 1: of days about why can't people get Superman right, why
Speaker 1: can't they figure out the tone? And just listening to
Speaker 1: this conversation right now, I think part of it is
Speaker 1: that if you're not a fan of Superman and you're
Speaker 1: not reading the Superman comics on the daily, it is
Speaker 1: a lot easier to engage with this, with the potential
Speaker 1: scariness of a Superman figure through Omniman, through the Boys
Speaker 1: right of this character insanely powerful, but like you're wondering,
Speaker 1: what if he just decides to not be a good guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is the this is the genesis of
Speaker 1: so many dec stories.
Speaker 3: James Gun movie. It's like, yes, Superman was evil, you know, and.
Speaker 1: With Superman there's never even that question, like you never
Speaker 1: That's the thing about Superman is no one ever wonders,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, what if he what if he goes back?
Speaker 1: Because you just he would never happen with him. But
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it kind of hard, is
Speaker 1: that we're just primed, like as a culture now to
Speaker 1: be like, there's got to be something else with that guy.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a dark side, you know, with a
Speaker 1: character like that. And that's what makes Omneymn so fucking
Speaker 1: scary is he seems like the perfect dad, the perfect hero,
Speaker 1: the hero that Earth needs, and really he's like a
Speaker 1: fucking genocidal mass murror. Yeah uh, and is just barely
Speaker 1: keeping his rage under control. And it's terrifying, shit, terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it makes such a good point too.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the eighty you know, the eight decade
Speaker 2: plus of like Superman stories and superhero stories, we are
Speaker 2: living with all of the ripple effects of all the
Speaker 2: different versions.
Speaker 3: So for every like All.
Speaker 2: Star Superman, you have that dark fear version, or the
Speaker 2: Elseworld's version, or the what if another he landed in
Speaker 2: another country, you know, like the red Sun version. Like
Speaker 2: there's all these different ideas of the fear of him.
Speaker 2: But I do think you're right. I still truly believe
Speaker 2: like Superman, he has a good mom, a good dad.
Speaker 2: They raised him right, they loved him, and he's just
Speaker 2: a really good person. Because of that, And also, can
Speaker 2: we give mar Kent the props that she deserves because
Speaker 2: she is comic's most powerful graphic designer.
Speaker 3: Shit in her house and that became like the iconography in.
Speaker 2: The world, you know, Like I know, I know, means
Speaker 2: hope it's from Crimpton Shore. But I believe Marken is
Speaker 2: the world's greatest graphic designer.
Speaker 4: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: That to me is like I hope that whatever version
Speaker 2: of Superman we get understands that because his inherent goodness
Speaker 2: is actually the most exciting thing.
Speaker 1: But I think because of like besive, yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 1: be character agree good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to see it.
Speaker 1: Well blown away. Can't wait for the next season of Invincible.
Speaker 1: Up next nerd Out.
Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you asked tell us what
Speaker 2: you love them? Why e theory, you're excited to share
Speaker 2: a quick question we can answer. Andrew asked for a
Speaker 2: little comic book wreck, and I believe that this is
Speaker 2: the perfect time for ZIG from it, like if we
Speaker 2: can finally try and promote our manga and anime agenda
Speaker 2: onto So, Andrew asks, Hi, Jason and Rosie, and I
Speaker 2: will add zig I am a big fan of your podcast,
Speaker 2: currently burning through your stuff to get caught up to
Speaker 2: most recent episodes. As a newbie to comics, do you
Speaker 2: have a comic or two that you would recommend me?
Speaker 2: And then he says this, I'm a big fan of
Speaker 2: anime if it helps color my palette. Most recently, I've
Speaker 2: been into Demon Slayer, Haiku and the Slice of Life
Speaker 2: anime Katara Lives Alone. Based on those, is they're a
Speaker 2: comic you would recommend? I will say yes, because you
Speaker 2: are talking about anime, which means they're based on manga
Speaker 2: and mango is one of the longest running forms of
Speaker 2: comics in the whole world, and I would say I
Speaker 2: Love Mason a Cuckoo by Remiko Takahashi visits doing like
Speaker 2: an unbelievable re release of those right now. It's one
Speaker 2: of the best Slice of Life comics ever. It's much
Speaker 2: funnier than Katara Lives Alone, which is incredible but very sad.
Speaker 2: It's very wacky. It's quite raunchy because that was Ramiko's
Speaker 2: whole vibe, and it's about a woman who is a
Speaker 2: young widow who takes over a boarding house and it's
Speaker 2: about her and like her eclectic group of friends.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: I would also say, like, if you like Haiku, probably
Speaker 2: you should be reading Ping Kong, which is like one
Speaker 2: of the greatest manga series of all time by Tayo Matsimoto,
Speaker 2: who's like really great and the title will give you
Speaker 2: a hint of what it's about, but it's about like
Speaker 2: a table tennis league in high school and it's so
Speaker 2: good and it's like one of the best sportsman I've
Speaker 2: ever read. So I would say those are like the
Speaker 2: two that I would really go for.
Speaker 5: Off those, zig I want to say based off this,
Speaker 5: this is mainly coming from The Demon Slayer and the
Speaker 5: Qatara Lives at Home. I think for a simple this
Speaker 5: is like more visas, definitely an order on order one.
Speaker 5: But I think if you're looking for something in the
Speaker 5: line of Demon Slayer, I think definitely think the original
Speaker 5: U Hockey show. Yeah, manga and even the anime would
Speaker 5: be a great a great through line for that. Even
Speaker 5: maybe even and Chainsaw Man, Like it's not Demon say it,
Speaker 5: but there's a bunch of fun, fun, high octavee action
Speaker 5: and actually even Jiujitsu k Those are probably three that
Speaker 5: I would recommend if you're looking for like supernatural stuff,
Speaker 5: I think some fun like like sort of elevated slights
Speaker 5: of life stuff is I think spy families are very
Speaker 5: fun when to get into. Yes, family in soccer Moto
Speaker 5: Days is another fun like sliced of life, like a
Speaker 5: little bit of action added into it. Like uh, I
Speaker 5: think those like we're pretty good, pretty good places to start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, we always talk about this one,
Speaker 2: like we've talked about it a lots is so great.
Speaker 2: But I think if you're looking for something that's like
Speaker 2: not anime or manga in that space, we talk a
Speaker 2: lot about Fantasy Sports by Sam Bosma, which is like
Speaker 2: so amazing, and that's definitely in that sports manga influenced space,
Speaker 2: but it's like a really different style, and the comics
Speaker 2: are beautiful.
Speaker 3: They're kind of.
Speaker 2: Huge, beautiful hard cover, like they're really nice to just
Speaker 2: have a your house. I will also say Akira Dark
Speaker 2: Horses re release them all. I'm rereading it from the
Speaker 2: beginning and that is just like every page you're just like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck was the como on?
Speaker 3: This is like one of the best. This is like
Speaker 3: one of the best things that's ever been made.
Speaker 2: So yeah, lots and lots of recommendations, Jason is anything
Speaker 2: immediately jumped to mind.
Speaker 1: I am just happy to be taking all of this in.
Speaker 1: I have just recently chinished Secure, which I and I
Speaker 1: absolutely love it. I echo the Sam Bosma drop and
Speaker 1: I'm just taking notes just like Andrew hopefully I would imagine,
Speaker 1: is Andrew what a what a perfect episode? Your question as.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, please always this is a comic book that
Speaker 5: is very heavily influenced by manga. But do a power bomb, yes, Johnson.
Speaker 5: It's such a fun It's just it's just like pro
Speaker 5: wrestling and like another dimension, and everyone in that dimension
Speaker 5: doesn't know that wrestling is fake on Earth, so it's
Speaker 5: just it's.
Speaker 2: Just that it's very very fun have recent eyes and
Speaker 2: the winner, yeah won the eyes and this year also,
Speaker 2: I will say, Jason, you are probably one of only
Speaker 2: like five percent of people on earth who've actually read
Speaker 2: all of Akira, So congratulations to you.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to be now. I have all the books
Speaker 3: I'm rereading, and.
Speaker 2: I never had like the last sixteen issues, because I
Speaker 2: have all the collected, I have all the colored ones,
Speaker 2: so I'm like very excited to finally be able to
Speaker 2: fully read it all in order.
Speaker 3: So well done to you five percent. Thank you Andrew
Speaker 3: so much.
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