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Speaker 1: Warning, this podcast contains light spoilers for Futurama first couple

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Speaker 1: of episodes and some heavier spoilers for the Adam Eves

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Speaker 1: special episode of Invincible. Hello, my name is Jason Stepcio

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Speaker 1: and I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: the Crooked media podcast where we've dived deep in your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the previously on, we are talking

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Speaker 2: about Loki season two's trailer from the Struck Disney Corporation.

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Speaker 1: Save us Loki, your only hope.

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Speaker 2: There are any hope in the airlock. It's animated TV time,

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Speaker 2: including the surprise Invincible season two zero episode about Atamy

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Speaker 2: which was delightful, and the amazing Futurama season eleven with

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Speaker 2: cody'sig Zigla Drama's back, It's back baby in that out

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Speaker 2: a comics recommendation question.

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Speaker 3: And as I mentioned, we are joined today by Cody A.

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Speaker 4: I am good.

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Speaker 5: I am fresh off of picking this Struck Company Disney

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Speaker 5: this afternoon, and even though the humidity is out, everyone

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Speaker 5: time I've been there since Sag has joined the fold.

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Speaker 5: Not unlike the rest of the Avengers are joining. Uh,

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Speaker 5: Captain America on your left, don your left, Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 5: I am so glad that new blood is out there

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Speaker 5: because I was so drained after only their being there

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Speaker 5: definitely nice seeing some like young enthusiastic faces. Also, uh,

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Speaker 5: I forget how many children are actually in SAG. So

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Speaker 5: I was out there there like there are a lot

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Speaker 5: Then I'm like, oh wait, these are actual union members

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 2: How evil do you have to be as in a

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Speaker 4: Baby?

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say I was at I was picketing

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Speaker 1: Universal last week in the heat, in the in the

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Speaker 1: extreme heat of the valley. For the event was just

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Speaker 1: Other people were there, lots of folks. But one thing

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Speaker 1: Really they were afraid that, like a note, some notable

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just saw today.

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Speaker 2: I think somebody shed that maybe they've made they've now

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Speaker 1: It's also the place where apparently people have been intentionally

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Speaker 4: They've went to them. There they'll go.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a union.

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Speaker 4: Does the world need another Wally West story? We don't know.

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Speaker 4: Send them there.

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Speaker 1: first up in the previously on the Loki season two trailer,

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Speaker 1: which came out today. We're taping this on a Monday,

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Speaker 3: I think it's very interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think they're in a tough situation because it is

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Speaker 3: It feels like out of the threat I do.

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Speaker 3: Let Google have her moment in the Sun. I think it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really smart. Yeah, it looks fun. Disney,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was like co directed by Justin

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Speaker 2: So that was interesting when I found that out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and like even with this trailer, like it seemed fun,

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Speaker 5: like this, this is like a fun like almost like

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Speaker 1: I think. Here's my Well, I guess this is a prediction.

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Speaker 3: So Loki seems to be in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Where he's like time slipping they call it, where he

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Speaker 5: Also, you know, the conceit of Marvels that they are

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Speaker 2: Time there's times in the comment where Kang is like

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Speaker 2: So essentially cat Vasco, who was a co producer I

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Speaker 1: Fortnite and I'm just gonna buy some relaxing Yeah, and listen,

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Speaker 1: Trying to say, I understand how much the writers love

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Speaker 5: a gold chain, like that's my that's it's like people

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00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 5: at home can't see it, but it's my black panther chain.

441
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 5: It's exact same chain I wear, and she whole episode

442
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 5: like it's truly just like, hey, just send a bunch

443
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 5: of pictures and like you will make a Simpsons slash

444
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 5: Futurama version of you, which is like honestly, like that

445
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 5: was the dream, Like I've always wanted to be like

446
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 5: in like one of these cartoons. So like getting that,

447
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 5: sitting that off, and like like a month later I

448
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 5: got back like a little picture of me next to

449
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 5: Fry is like a scale thing, and like my note

450
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 5: was like can you make me taller than Fry?

451
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: That's all. That's the only.

452
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 5: So like I would like to get a three peet

453
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 5: after the after the strike is settled and we're paid

454
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 5: some lievable wages, Like I would love to continue the

455
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 5: the the trend of sneaking of weasling my way into

456
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 5: a cameo into his shows that I'm working on.

457
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also so are you now ready to be

458
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: killed off in a future show? Because that's like the

459
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: joy of I always think about Girl Morrison, who obviously

460
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: famously put themselves into Animal Man and then like as

461
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 2: someone in DC universe. But just like we're killing him,

462
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: Gron exists in this universe, so now we can there

463
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: a character. So are you ready for your likeness to

464
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 2: be used in nefarious ways?

465
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 5: I welcome, I welcome my animated death. Please let it

466
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 5: be a swift death. I would love nothing more than

467
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 5: be like blown up by like bender in like an

468
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 5: episode of Futura.

469
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Speaker 1: So you have managed to slip yourself through the fourth

470
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Speaker 1: wall into the scenes of both She Hulk and Futurama.

471
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Speaker 1: And I can't help but notice, as a as a

472
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 1: a reader of your fine work in the comic book pages,

473
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Speaker 1: that it appears that you've also slipped your good friend

474
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Speaker 1: Jessica Goal into the pages of Miles Morales as a

475
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: police officer, as the police police officer, Agent Gal, who's

476
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: out here just trying to rain in Miles Morales's shine

477
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: and give an opportunity trying to you know, is it

478
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: always like one inch from bringing him in in cuffs.

479
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's it's becoming like a running jock at

480
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 5: this point, where she's always like I'm about to bust

481
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 5: your ass, but somehow she gets out of it. You know,

482
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 5: it really wasn't too disclimbered from our relationship in the

483
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 5: Shiyoak room. She's like, I'm about to I need to

484
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 5: keep on the straight and narrow Zigler and I would

485
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 5: say I'd use all my way out of it. You know,

486
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 5: I need I need this outline now. It's like, yeah,

487
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 5: totally got it to you. Did I get to do

488
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 5: like a day late? Like, yeah, I have a fun

489
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 5: running theme where like I like to put my friends

490
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: in my comic books. And it's going to be what

491
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 5: better way to like have a nice insult jab at

492
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 5: my good friend Gavin making her a cough that's trying

493
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 5: to take down the hero of the book, and it's

494
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 5: constantly going to be a thorn in his side.

495
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Speaker 3: That's extremely shady. It's good. And what's what's like this

496
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: to be?

497
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Speaker 2: We've been talking to about like struck companies and the

498
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: strikes and how you're picking and stuff. What's it like

499
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: to like walk on a show like this that's basically

500
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: like a dream gig or something that you love and

501
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: then launch it and then have it come out like

502
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: during the strike, Like, what's that kind of duale you've been.

503
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Speaker 5: Like, it's a very I don't know. I don't know

504
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 5: if Jason, I don't know if you had another show.

505
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 5: I don't know if your shit came out pre strike.

506
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I came out, came out, w GA strike was

507
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: on it like a week before the WGA strike really hit,

508
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: and we couldn't go to our premiere, for instance, because

509
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: the action had started.

510
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

511
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean I'm sorry you sort of feel

512
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 5: the same similar way, where like you put Yeah, for me,

513
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 5: literally like fifty six weeks a year plus worth of

514
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 5: work into a project. So like you know, we're supposed

515
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 5: to have to supposed to go to Comic Contact a

516
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 5: big launch where I saw pictures that seemed like the

517
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 5: launch was still there.

518
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 4: We obviously couldn't go.

519
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: It.

520
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 5: It's sort of twofold. Like one, it's a bummer that

521
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 5: like I can't post more and share more, but also

522
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: like you know, I not sharing a tweet or a

523
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 5: text or a or an IG post is like small

524
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 5: potatoes compared to like what you're actually fighting for. Like

525
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 5: and also the WJA they did carve out, Like yes,

526
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 5: you can post stuff, but you can't do it directly

527
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 5: under the the permission of a struck company, which is

528
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 5: like why I could like post those things or come

529
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 5: on this show, Like I wasn't asked by like Disney

530
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 5: to come on or anything like that. But it, you know,

531
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 5: it sucks for like especially like the actors and stuff

532
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 5: who like you know, they came back after twenty years

533
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 5: to do this stuff, but they can't promote it and

534
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 5: they did fantastic work, and like the cast and crew

535
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 5: who you know, for their unions, like they can't post

536
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 5: about it. Like it definitely definitely is like a huge

537
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 5: bummer because like you know, again we did have a premiere,

538
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 5: We had like a cast and crew screening, which was

539
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: you know, definitely more intimate. It was cool in that regard,

540
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 5: but like you know, for for Shield, they had like

541
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 5: you know, the fucking theater roped out and they're like

542
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 5: cameras everywhere, and like, oh, I understand why these things exist,

543
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 5: Like yes, is to like roll out this big thing

544
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 5: and like blah blah blah, but also it is to

545
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 5: celebrate the yeah, the hundreds and sometimes thousands of people

546
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 5: that work on these projects, so you know, it's it's

547
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 5: a bittersweet, like I'm bummed that we can't enjoy it more.

548
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 5: But I also you know, I I that's part of

549
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 5: the the handshake agreement when you enter tune union, is

550
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 5: that like for solidarity, Like we can't do these things.

551
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 5: So like that's why me and Jason are out here

552
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 5: on the lines at ninety degree eighty or forty percent humidity.

553
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: You know.

554
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

555
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: With Primo, you know, obviously Ceaz for you know, most

556
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: of the writers to just not tweet not Yeah, that's

557
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: that's fine.

558
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 5: Also that writers aren't really putting butts and seeds, you know,

559
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: no one's coming from exactly, like what's Cody Zigger got.

560
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: To say about the Futurama, you know.

561
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: And with Primo was interesting because you know, the writers

562
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: went on strike and SAG was still negotiating at that time,

563
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: so the writers got to do the promo. But who

564
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: I really felt bad for was Shay who created the

565
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: show and it's based on his life and he put

566
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: a ton of heart into it. It not to mention

567
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's his family members or represented there in

568
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: the show. And then so to not be able to

569
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: promote it. I felt bad for him. That was that

570
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: that I felt badly about because so much work and

571
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: heart went into that and to not be able to

572
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: be like, hey, we really, we really brought you something here,

573
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: We really tried to make something special. And to not

574
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: be able to do that when you know you're so

575
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: attached to it created it, et cetera. That made me

576
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: feel badly. But otherwise it's been very easy to not

577
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: tweet about stuff.

578
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also the claimed Primo like the reviews did

579
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: it themselves.

580
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: The reviews have been promoting the show.

581
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: Been very fortunate that way.

582
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I guess to echo Jason's it's as it's

583
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 5: It's never been an easier time not to want to

584
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: use Twitter than the past thirteen weeks.

585
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: Like the perfect time.

586
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you elon something we never say.

587
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

588
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: And I just know right now Linda Yakarino, who was

589
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: recently in Los Angeles doing like a charm offensive and

590
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: all the big agencies trying to get you know, celebs

591
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: to x about X or to say anything about X

592
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: and be like X is so cool. You just know

593
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: that Linda was talking to to whoever would be able

594
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: to give them, allow them to say X Gonna give

595
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: it to you and use a snippet of the song

596
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: promote they wish you just know that that was how

597
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: can we get X Gonna give It to you as

598
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: part of our promo for the social media platform X.

599
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Formerly, I think people would have bought the head like

600
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: the luve, but that you just couldn't do it, Like no,

601
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm are glad that she failed that that.

602
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: I mean, does anyone even call it X? I don't

603
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: have a Twitter account anymore, so I don't know, but

604
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: people still calling it Twitter. I'd be proud if I

605
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: say it.

606
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Believe it's still it's still early days. But let the

607
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: brand brand give X a chance, given a chance, let

608
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: cook folks, let it give it a shot.

609
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, this is not I'm sure someone

610
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 5: plenty of people have had this take already, but like

611
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 5: it just seems it's so comic, Like it's just like

612
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: where is Charles Xavier at? Like this is like it's

613
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: such an easy one to one with, like comic book

614
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 5: and like like the reality of like this does not

615
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 5: make sense in like reality, like naming a company actually

616
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 5: seems so cartooniously nefarious that I it's hard to like

617
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: defy thee.

618
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 3: Must be so bad.

619
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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine how much money they had to

620
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 2: pay on the SEO to make that even come up

621
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: on the page.

622
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, when you when you search, when you search Twitter,

623
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: X comes up, so they've somehow they paid a lot.

624
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: But listen, this is why you and I are not

625
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: business geniuses. When you have a brand that is instantly

626
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: recognizable to billions, what you want to do, actually is

627
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: you want to change it. You want to change it

628
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: to something completely different. It's not synonymous with what you

629
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: do right, and you want to just switch it up

630
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: that way. And you will never understand that. I will

631
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: never understand that.

632
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: Forty so many five D chests, five double D chest,

633
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Solve for X.

634
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: How about that?

635
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: You can use that use that one for free, Use.

636
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: That one for free. Solve for X. Can use Solve

637
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: for X. I can see it on the bus stop

638
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: right now.

639
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: X marks the spot. It's like a little Pirates.

640
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: Guys. Guys, you're meant to be, You're meant to be

641
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 3: on strike. Free free gems say, guys, let me give

642
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: a free.

643
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: X ray Vision will be back.

644
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: And we're back.

645
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the surprise drop of the Invincible season

646
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: two episode Adam Eve Special Episode prequel episode The Origin

647
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: Story of Adam Eve on the Struck Amazon Prime Struck

648
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Strong Network. I was shocked to see this pop up

649
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: in my in my feet. I immediately watched it, and

650
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, folks, Invincible still got it.

651
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: It's great.

652
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: The way that the animation team make this show look

653
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: instantly familiar to people who watch like anime, but also

654
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: like completely different.

655
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: Like that fight scene with Adam Eve and.

656
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: The kind of the big fight at the end, so

657
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: I won't spoil kind of who she's fighting with, but

658
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: like the way they use camera moved mom in that

659
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: it feels like a danger Like it's like so different,

660
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: very animal, and there's all this this camera movement, the sweeps,

661
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: Like the action in this show is just unreal, and

662
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 2: it's nice to see them. You know, she still has

663
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: a very invincible backstory, very depressing and violent, because that's

664
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: the nature of Invincible, but it's nice to see her

665
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: get a little bit of character work here, Like I

666
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: could see them do this for most of the characters Invincible,

667
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: and I would love to see it.

668
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I kept thinking that, like I could just watch

669
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 5: a series of just these off characters that, yeah, I

670
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: guess Adam Adam Eve gets a little bit because he

671
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 5: gets more work than a lot of them. But like

672
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 5: I could watch like a Monster Girl like exactly or whatever.

673
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: You know, I could watch Rex Bludes, like Origin Story,

674
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: I can watch any of those or even like I

675
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: don't want to sport it, but like, you know, the

676
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 5: the like I'm really excited to see, Like for those

677
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: who've read the Invincible comics, like for me, for my money,

678
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: like the ending coda for like the ending like twenty

679
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 5: thirty pages of Invincible were like to me, is like

680
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 5: probably the best in the indy superhero comic I've ever

681
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: read ever.

682
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: Yes, Like I could fully just.

683
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: Watch the best Kirkman.

684
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely the best.

685
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: It's the absolute best Kirkman.

686
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 5: It's it's like you just like you can't be like

687
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 5: I could watch fully just two hours of that code,

688
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: Like I could just watch that.

689
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 4: In forever, but I think that one.

690
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like one of the craziest things too, is

691
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: like you know you have two iconic you have Corey Walker,

692
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: you have Ryan Otley. Yeah, and like the way that

693
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: they translate like this looks like it, but it doesn't

694
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: look like.

695
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: But it also looks like the best of the DCAU,

696
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: but it also looks like anime or like especially it's

697
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: so visually pleasing, Like I understand why when they surprise

698
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: dropped this, like everyone lost their ship, because it also

699
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: is like it still has all the things people like

700
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: about Invincible. It's by the time you get to the end,

701
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: there's some really horrific shit going down. Yeah, and they

702
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: really do some grotesque stuff, but it has that hard

703
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: it has that punch, and then you get this really

704
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: fun like what's Mark been up to?

705
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: Sting and that.

706
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Also somehow manages to really hit even though it's just

707
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: like it's mostly a bit, but the end has this

708
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 2: like little heft.

709
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

710
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: I just thought this was so good and obviously Surprise

711
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: dropping it probably because of the strike.

712
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Just to bring it up.

713
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: Again, like let's people really couldn't have people out there

714
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: promoting this, but like, it was really good and I

715
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 2: hope people got paid. I mean, that first Invincible season

716
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: blew my mind because if I'm not mistaken, that was

717
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: Amazon and Skybound essentially creating like an animation studio. Like

718
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: I think that it was like more like produced by them,

719
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: and the idea was to keep making other animated stuff,

720
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: and it's just like so good visually, like there's no

721
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: one else right now is making superhero animation that compares

722
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: to this.

723
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does something really great, which is and The

724
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Boys does this too, And I think you know, whether

725
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: consciously or unconsciously, struck company, Amazon Prime Studios has kind

726
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: of backed into a brand with regards to its superhero stuff,

727
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: which is this kind of deconstruction of Superman of superheroes.

728
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: And the great thing about Invincible what I loved about

729
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: season one and it's right there front and center and

730
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: the Adam Eve prequel is that on the one hand,

731
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: they are deconstructing the myths right and showing you the

732
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: kind of like brutality and the very creaky like moral

733
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: standing of superheroes, but also they're giving you the magic

734
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: of what is great about like keeps it in general

735
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: also like it's like, I mean, this prequel is all

736
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: about a girl wanting to be special, wanting to find

737
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: that thing that is special about her, and then that

738
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: classic comic book thing of you get the thing that

739
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: makes you special and then you are rejected for it,

740
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: and that is just it is, and it is endlessly

741
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: emotionally impactful. For at least for me, that is the

742
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: thing that keeps me coming back to comic Like when

743
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: I get a whiff of that, when I get like

744
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: a hint of that kind of friction, that emotional like

745
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: impact and a story, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is

746
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: this is what I felt like, you know, originally reading

747
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: comics as a kid. And this prequel does it. And

748
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: it does it on multiple levels too. It's not just

749
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: like Adam Eve getting rejected when she shows a friend

750
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: like what is special artists spoil ler light spoiler. But

751
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: then you also get that that that dichotomy of of

752
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: what happens when the power the hero is aesthetically beautiful

753
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: as compared to the kind of more monstrous villain, and

754
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: what happens when that villain is warped by the fact

755
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: that they are rejected by society because they don't look

756
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: like everybody else. It's just like really good, just really

757
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: good comic book stuff. Even though they are tearing it's

758
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: simultaneously like tearing apart the troops of comic book stuff.

759
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: They're also giving you the tropes in equal measure, and

760
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: it just is really good yeah.

761
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: I think something they did really well in the first

762
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: season that they echo here in like a different way

763
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: is kind of like the relationship between like Mark and

764
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: his dad is revealed to be like a very abusive

765
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: relationship in like its own way, and that was really

766
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: interestingly done in the first season. But the way they

767
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: dealt with that here with like Eve Adams's dad and

768
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: the way he's like kind of emotionally abusive and neglect

769
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 2: kill there are like these moments that just absolutely broke me.

770
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: Like there's a moment where she's late for her own

771
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: birthday and he's already eaten a slice of her cake.

772
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: And that bit like she just says it. She's like,

773
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: you ate my cake and she and it just it

774
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: says so much.

775
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: And they do such a good job of bothering to

776
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: add nuance and detail and emotional backstory in a way

777
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: that a lot of other supero TV doesn't get the

778
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: time to but we do get the time to do

779
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: in comics, like Invincible is so big, it went on

780
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: for so long, so there's lots of space for nuance

781
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: and conversation about emotions. We often don't get that when

782
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: you're stripping it down for TV. But I feel like

783
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: in this special, especially, they expanded on something they were

784
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: already doing really well in the first season with these

785
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: tiny moments that just hit like super hard.

786
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, this show's really cracked the balance between the superhero

787
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 5: big punching people through wall stuff, but like you really

788
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: care about the family dynamics. Like anytime you go you

789
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 5: see nick tier of her house and you go on

790
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 5: your side, you know you're about to have your fucking

791
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: heart Listen.

792
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great point. It is not you would think, oh,

793
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: I just watched someone get their head torn off in

794
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: a cree fight scene, and now we're heading to the

795
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: to the you know, a scene of domestic quietude. That's

796
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: not it. Like I almost clench up more when I

797
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: see the exterior of the house because you just know

798
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be an emotional battlefield with me.

799
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely as a scene where where Eve.

800
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: Shows her powers to her friend and then her friend

801
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: is just like so freaked out, was just so sad

802
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: to me, so sad.

803
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

804
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: It's just like they've done it again, folks, They've really

805
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: done it again. And then the action is unbelievable, Like.

806
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: That's the wildest thing to have, Like action that feels

807
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: groundbreaking and different for Western animation, but also to have

808
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: emotional have to actually makes you care about the characters

809
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: is very impressive.

810
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

811
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 5: The fight scene between they call it Guarding the Globes

812
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 5: that that the Invincible, Yeah.

813
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: The Guardians of the Globe and the and the lizards

814
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: to Quadron.

815
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 5: The Squadrat and like you know that scene is like

816
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 5: I've seen that fight a thousand times, and like marm

817
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: and like the animated versions of Superman and all that stuff.

818
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 5: But like even having the added edge of like at

819
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 5: any moment, Omniman could just fucking snap whoever, this queen lizard, whoever.

820
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: Tatiana Maslani plays a character like any moment, he could

821
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 5: like just snapper at half And like seeing that subdued

822
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 5: like quiet rage, knowing that he could do that at

823
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 5: any moment added such an extra texture of like fear

824
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 5: and like stakes to these fights when normally you'd be like, yeah, right,

825
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 5: we called the robbers, we saved the day. But like

826
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 5: having that little bit of edge that the Invincible Universe brings,

827
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 5: I think also adds like a sort of like subtle

828
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: tension to all these fight scenes.

829
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: Now that's such a good point because like, by the

830
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: end of Invincible season one, you know the truth about

831
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: Omni Man, but when we start this, because it's a prequel,

832
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: he is still in that like Superman esque role. Yeah,

833
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: so you have that dramatic irony of knowing who he

834
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: really is, but seeing him positioned as like the hero

835
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: in this fire, and then learning that he is directly

836
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: connected to the the origins of atam Eve in some

837
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: strange ways. Like it's really smartly done, and you're right,

838
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: it does add this level of like fear as you

839
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: the viewer knowing what he can really do, whereas the

840
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: wild Girl thinks he's you know, the.

841
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: Hero, just an incredible and absolutely terrifying villain. Omniman and

842
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, in our in our discord,

843
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: there was kind of a conversation going the last couple

844
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: of days about why can't people get Superman right, why

845
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: can't they figure out the tone? And just listening to

846
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: this conversation right now, I think part of it is

847
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 1: that if you're not a fan of Superman and you're

848
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: not reading the Superman comics on the daily, it is

849
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot easier to engage with this, with the potential

850
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: scariness of a Superman figure through Omniman, through the Boys

851
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: right of this character insanely powerful, but like you're wondering,

852
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: what if he just decides to not be a good guy? Yeah,

853
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean this is the this is the genesis of

854
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: so many dec stories.

855
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: James Gun movie. It's like, yes, Superman was evil, you know, and.

856
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: With Superman there's never even that question, like you never

857
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing about Superman is no one ever wonders,

858
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: oh fuck, what if he what if he goes back?

859
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Because you just he would never happen with him. But

860
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes it kind of hard, is

861
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: that we're just primed, like as a culture now to

862
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: be like, there's got to be something else with that guy.

863
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a dark side, you know, with a

864
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: character like that. And that's what makes Omneymn so fucking

865
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: scary is he seems like the perfect dad, the perfect hero,

866
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: the hero that Earth needs, and really he's like a

867
00:43:54,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: fucking genocidal mass murror. Yeah uh, and is just barely

868
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: keeping his rage under control. And it's terrifying, shit, terrifying.

869
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it makes such a good point too.

870
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: It's almost like the eighty you know, the eight decade

871
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: plus of like Superman stories and superhero stories, we are

872
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: living with all of the ripple effects of all the

873
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: different versions.

874
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: So for every like All.

875
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Star Superman, you have that dark fear version, or the

876
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Elseworld's version, or the what if another he landed in

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Speaker 2: another country, you know, like the red Sun version. Like

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Speaker 2: there's all these different ideas of the fear of him.

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Speaker 2: But I do think you're right. I still truly believe

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Speaker 2: like Superman, he has a good mom, a good dad.

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Speaker 2: They raised him right, they loved him, and he's just

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Speaker 2: a really good person. Because of that, And also, can

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Speaker 2: we give mar Kent the props that she deserves because

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Speaker 2: she is comic's most powerful graphic designer.

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Speaker 3: Shit in her house and that became like the iconography in.

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Speaker 2: The world, you know, Like I know, I know, means

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Speaker 2: hope it's from Crimpton Shore. But I believe Marken is

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Speaker 2: the world's greatest graphic designer.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: That to me is like I hope that whatever version

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Speaker 2: is actually the most exciting thing.

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Speaker 1: But I think because of like besive, yeah, yeah, to

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Speaker 1: be character agree good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to see it.

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Speaker 1: Well blown away. Can't wait for the next season of Invincible.

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Speaker 1: Up next nerd Out.

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Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you asked tell us what

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Speaker 2: you love them? Why e theory, you're excited to share

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Speaker 2: a quick question we can answer. Andrew asked for a

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Speaker 2: little comic book wreck, and I believe that this is

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Speaker 2: the perfect time for ZIG from it, like if we

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Speaker 2: can finally try and promote our manga and anime agenda

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Speaker 2: onto So, Andrew asks, Hi, Jason and Rosie, and I

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Speaker 2: will add zig I am a big fan of your podcast,

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Speaker 2: currently burning through your stuff to get caught up to

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Speaker 2: most recent episodes. As a newbie to comics, do you

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Speaker 2: have a comic or two that you would recommend me?

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Speaker 2: And then he says this, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 2: anime if it helps color my palette. Most recently, I've

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Speaker 2: been into Demon Slayer, Haiku and the Slice of Life

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Speaker 2: anime Katara Lives Alone. Based on those, is they're a

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Speaker 2: comic you would recommend? I will say yes, because you

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Speaker 2: are talking about anime, which means they're based on manga

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Speaker 2: and mango is one of the longest running forms of

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Speaker 2: Love Mason a Cuckoo by Remiko Takahashi visits doing like

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Speaker 2: an unbelievable re release of those right now. It's one

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Speaker 2: of the best Slice of Life comics ever. It's much

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Speaker 2: funnier than Katara Lives Alone, which is incredible but very sad.

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Speaker 2: It's very wacky. It's quite raunchy because that was Ramiko's

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Speaker 2: whole vibe, and it's about a woman who is a

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I would also say, like, if you like Haiku, probably

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Speaker 2: you should be reading Ping Kong, which is like one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest manga series of all time by Tayo Matsimoto,

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Speaker 2: who's like really great and the title will give you

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Speaker 2: a hint of what it's about, but it's about like

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Speaker 2: a table tennis league in high school and it's so

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Speaker 2: good and it's like one of the best sportsman I've

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Speaker 2: ever read. So I would say those are like the

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Speaker 5: Off those, zig I want to say based off this,

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Speaker 5: this is mainly coming from The Demon Slayer and the

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Speaker 5: Qatara Lives at Home. I think for a simple this

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Speaker 5: is like more visas, definitely an order on order one.

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Speaker 5: But I think if you're looking for something in the

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Speaker 5: line of Demon Slayer, I think definitely think the original

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Speaker 5: U Hockey show. Yeah, manga and even the anime would

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Speaker 5: be a great a great through line for that. Even

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Speaker 5: maybe even and Chainsaw Man, Like it's not Demon say it,

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Speaker 5: but there's a bunch of fun, fun, high octavee action

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Speaker 5: and actually even Jiujitsu k Those are probably three that

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Speaker 5: I would recommend if you're looking for like supernatural stuff,

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Speaker 5: I think some fun like like sort of elevated slights

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Speaker 5: of life stuff is I think spy families are very

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Speaker 5: fun when to get into. Yes, family in soccer Moto

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Speaker 5: Days is another fun like sliced of life, like a

951
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Speaker 5: little bit of action added into it. Like uh, I

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Speaker 5: think those like we're pretty good, pretty good places to start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, we always talk about this one,

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Speaker 2: like we've talked about it a lots is so great.

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Speaker 2: But I think if you're looking for something that's like

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Speaker 2: not anime or manga in that space, we talk a

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Speaker 2: lot about Fantasy Sports by Sam Bosma, which is like

958
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Speaker 2: so amazing, and that's definitely in that sports manga influenced space,

959
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Speaker 2: but it's like a really different style, and the comics

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Speaker 2: are beautiful.

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Speaker 3: They're kind of.

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Speaker 2: Huge, beautiful hard cover, like they're really nice to just

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Speaker 2: have a your house. I will also say Akira Dark

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Speaker 2: Horses re release them all. I'm rereading it from the

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Speaker 2: beginning and that is just like every page you're just like,

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Speaker 2: what the fuck was the como on?

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Speaker 3: This is like one of the best. This is like

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Speaker 3: one of the best things that's ever been made.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, lots and lots of recommendations, Jason is anything

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Speaker 2: immediately jumped to mind.

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Speaker 1: I am just happy to be taking all of this in.

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Speaker 1: I have just recently chinished Secure, which I and I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love it. I echo the Sam Bosma drop and

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Speaker 1: I'm just taking notes just like Andrew hopefully I would imagine,

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Speaker 1: is Andrew what a what a perfect episode? Your question as.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, please always this is a comic book that

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Speaker 5: is very heavily influenced by manga. But do a power bomb, yes, Johnson.

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Speaker 5: It's such a fun It's just it's just like pro

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Speaker 5: wrestling and like another dimension, and everyone in that dimension

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Speaker 5: doesn't know that wrestling is fake on Earth, so it's

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Speaker 5: just it's.

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Speaker 2: Just that it's very very fun have recent eyes and

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Speaker 2: the winner, yeah won the eyes and this year also,

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Speaker 2: I will say, Jason, you are probably one of only

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Speaker 2: like five percent of people on earth who've actually read

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Speaker 2: all of Akira, So congratulations to you.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping to be now. I have all the books

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Speaker 3: I'm rereading, and.

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Speaker 2: I never had like the last sixteen issues, because I

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Speaker 2: have all the collected, I have all the colored ones,

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Speaker 2: so I'm like very excited to finally be able to

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Speaker 2: fully read it all in order.

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Speaker 3: So well done to you five percent. Thank you Andrew

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: If you have any theories, fashions or quick questions you

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