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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Noa.

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Speaker 2: They called me Ben where joined as always with our

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Speaker 2: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 2: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 2: they don't want you to know. Exciting news for us

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Speaker 2: and hopefully for you as well. Folks, if you are

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Speaker 2: listening to this strange news program the evening it publishes,

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Speaker 2: it is August fourth, It is officially August. This is

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Speaker 2: going to be crazy for us. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: all a month that has a lot in store for

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Speaker 2: the three of us.

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Speaker 4: LEO season yay R.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to all our Leonines in the crowd. I

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Speaker 2: remember having a discussion of the word leonine for something

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Speaker 2: new to me. Lee. Well, you know how we would say,

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Speaker 2: like someone is lionized. Leonine is it's complimentary.

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Speaker 4: Word, having the qualities of a line.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And we wanted to celebrate our our August

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Speaker 2: recording here by of course starting with a heist following

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Speaker 2: up on our earlier excellent story about a con man

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Speaker 2: involved in the world of sports memorabilia. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: bringing that one to us, Matt, there is a new

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Speaker 2: heist in the news. Millions of dollars worth of Miami

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Speaker 2: Heat memorabilia, including jerseys people wore at the Fire Finals,

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Speaker 2: have been stolen and sold on the black market. Are

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Speaker 2: their real ones? It's real memorabilia, so they say, so,

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Speaker 2: they say. If you want to learn more about that,

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Speaker 2: you can go to Yahoo's Sports. With some excellent reporting

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Speaker 2: by journalist Shane Galvin. This may be the largest heist

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Speaker 2: of sports collectibles ever.

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Speaker 4: So sorry, I was about to say, yeah, dang putting

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Speaker 4: no Jada shame.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, but there we go. Please check

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Speaker 2: it out in depth if you are so inclined.

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Speaker 4: We love that Yahoo's had such a second life as

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Speaker 4: a news organization. You love to see it. You know

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Speaker 4: you'll love to see it.

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Speaker 2: You'll love to see it. Yahoo has not gone missing.

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Speaker 2: It is not hiding. We're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into some exciting and disturbing true

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Speaker 2: crime across the world, particularly in the East Asian and

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Speaker 2: We are also going to look at some disturbing active

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Speaker 2: investigations out in Los Angeles. Before we do any of that,

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Speaker 2: you guys, let's say we take a break for a

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Speaker 2: word from our sponsors. Let's do it, and we have

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Speaker 2: returned everyone. I'd like to begin this part of our

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Speaker 2: Strange News program by playing a clip I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of us in the crowd tonight will recognize.

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Speaker 5: And so my fellow Americans ask, not what your country

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Speaker 5: can do for you, ask what you can do for

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Speaker 5: your country?

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Speaker 4: What can we do for our country?

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Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm so glad you asked, Noll. That's a

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Speaker 2: perfect setup, thanks to you and former President JFK that.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a follow up later. By the way, here's

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Speaker 2: what you can do for your country. You can now

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Speaker 2: venmo the US government to help pay off national debt.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever sorry, that's what you could do for

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Speaker 4: Do they have like a Patreon or something? Is there

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Speaker 4: a gofund me? You know campaign we've got right now.

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Speaker 2: We want to make it easy for you to give

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Speaker 2: us your hard earned cash. Now, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: This went viral recently. The US government does accept Venmo.

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Speaker 2: Uncle Sam is not too good for PayPal, which also

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Speaker 2: rolled out earlier. This has been met with a lot

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Speaker 2: But honestly, it feels like it's skyrockets more often than

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Speaker 4: Yeah, buy the government of coffee.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is insane, It really is.

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Speaker 2: This.

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Speaker 3: This is absolutely it's satirical.

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Speaker 2: It's also not new. It is a true story. I

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Speaker 2: idea dates back to nineteen sixty one HR three eleven.

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Speaker 2: It's called an Act to Authorize the Acceptance by Government

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Speaker 2: This law authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury to accept

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Speaker 3: And we fully trust you the government to just use

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Speaker 2: Thirty six trillion yesez?

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Speaker 4: Important question? Do we get to write this gift off

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Speaker 2: That is a great question.

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Speaker 3: Why why would you be able to do that? If

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Speaker 4: And is it even how does it even make sense

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Speaker 2: Especially especially in a governmental structure that absolutely bootlecks lobbying

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Speaker 4: The issue here buy a ticket to a fancy dinner, sure.

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Speaker 2: Right, or go golfing whatever. But the issue here is again,

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Speaker 2: this is simply a gift. And I think a lot

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the demographic they're looking for is,

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Speaker 3: It would be awesome if it was like donating to

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Speaker 2: Ship ball yeah, oh oh sorry, I didn't mean to

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Speaker 2: And we want to let you go. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: you'll see that the United States national debt surpass thirty

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Speaker 4: Wasn't that from the BBB, the big beautiful bill, right?

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Speaker 4: This the original claims.

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Speaker 2: We have to get under the hood to see exactly

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Speaker 2: how the debt is calculated here, but we do want

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Speaker 2: donate essentially, And it's weird, you know what it reminds

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Speaker 2: contribute to a number of charities, right, remember, like do

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Speaker 4: I charities are a tax haven, right, I mean that's

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Speaker 4: not the point of charity, but the offer there is like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we'd be interested to hear your thoughts folks

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Speaker 2: We also want to hear whether you would just randomly

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I I part of me gets it, like part

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Speaker 3: But it is really a level of trust and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And it's like one of those GoFundMe campaigns

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Speaker 2: our pal theo Berman, Americans overall with this amazing opportunity

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Speaker 3: But it's still amazing to me that that much money

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Speaker 2: how do we also, how do we define going toward

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna this is gonna help us craft a

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Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, and to do that, part of this one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty thousand dollars is paying for some fancy dinners.

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Speaker 2: It is flying us but to golf courses that we

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Speaker 3: That amount is going to pay for a fancy dinner

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Speaker 2: I need a faberge egg right now. To solve this

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Speaker 4: it's taxpayer that's taxpayer money that goes to do that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Hexath has been revealed in recent news to

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Speaker 4: That's what I mean, that's where your mind goes.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that Maxwell's going to get pardon.

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Speaker 2: It's an open question right now, like what was in

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Speaker 4: So then it's about her leverage, it's not about what's right.

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Speaker 2: There are ongoing conversations about oh, she got denied immunity

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Speaker 4: We also, I guess, I guess. I just mean, like

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Speaker 2: Interesting because Joe Broken used the exact same figure of

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just I do tend to agree that

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Speaker 2: And what will you as the public allow? Right? Your

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Speaker 2: It's propaganda, right, And there's an interesting argument over whether

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Speaker 4: And we're back with strange news. This is one that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because look, we have to I appreciate you establishing

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Speaker 3: It's such a strange concept to me, this idea of.

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Speaker 2: All it is so weird, so many weird things.

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00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: And just like the way flowers look sexy, you know,

441
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: to exact certain insects. Oh yeah, ditation's a hell of

442
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 4: a drug, right.

443
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Now I'm picturing landing on an alien

444
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: planet with the aliens. They're already keyed into humans and

445
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: all their foibles and just making their own version of flowers. Yep,

446
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: that look like sexy humans.

447
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

448
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 2: Man, oh, I got it right.

449
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: Then we get stuck in them.

450
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: Were just stuck in a yeah, so okay historical context

451
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: in the Catholic sense, in the Western sense. The idea

452
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 2: of celibacy, however it's packaged, is also very much a

453
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: political mechanism, like Matt set of control mechanism, because we

454
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: have to remember the way inheritance worked in a lot

455
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: of powerful families was that one kid got all the

456
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: toys in the land, and if there was another kid,

457
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: that kid better like God, and that kid would be

458
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: put in a situation where they would not be allowed

459
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: to reproduce and create a threat or divide the lineage.

460
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: King e to a nunnery.

461
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: Right. So that's a big part of why just practically

462
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: like God and spirituality. I don't mean to sound dismissive,

463
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: but all the high fluting stuff aside, that is the

464
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: practical reason.

465
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: Well, and I was going to say too, a lot

466
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: of these types of things feel like remnants from a

467
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: bygone era where they at the time had some function

468
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: within society, but now they don't anymore, and they're being

469
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 4: held onto for exclusively for these reasons of control or

470
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: just like blind adherence to tradition.

471
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: Legacy is a hell of a drug.

472
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely no, and again I'm not trying to it's interesting

473
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: the president of Thailand, king or a king of Thailand

474
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: rather excuse me, Vajira Longkorn revoked a royal command that

475
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 4: he'd issued in June which conferred higher titles to eighty

476
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: one months, so he basically demoted them, saying that recent

477
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: cases of misconduct have caused Buddhists to suffer greatly in

478
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: their minds. Again, this BBC article points out that more

479
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 4: than ninety percent of the population of Thailand identify as Buddhists.

480
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 4: Monks are looked at with the highest levels of reverence,

481
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: and many Thai men actually temporarily become ordained in order

482
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: to accumulate good karma.

483
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. Actually, it's kind of like how

484
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: you know in some countries you are required to do

485
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: a couple of years of military service, like it's just

486
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: part of your citizenship or existence. There is in different

487
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: forms of Buddhism, and we're not experts. There is a

488
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: requirement to serve with a lot or serve with a

489
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: monastic order in some way or a contained amount of time.

490
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: It's a very much a real thing. Like my girlfriend's

491
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: dad is talking about it now, like he might be

492
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: required to go be a monk for a minute. I

493
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: mean it's longer than a minute. I just like the.

494
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: Alliteration for no no, I like it too, man. And

495
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: last thing for me, the religious order, the Buddhist you

496
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: know order, is governed by a kind of a board

497
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: almost that is called the Sangha Supreme Council, and it

498
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: is claiming to be in the process of forming a

499
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 4: special committee to review monastic regulations, which is interesting because

500
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily say that they're looking into these cases

501
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: of of you know, misconduct that they're looking into maybe

502
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 4: that they need to tweak the regulation the regulations a

503
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 4: little bit.

504
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: I love it. A holy version of jury nullification.

505
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah right, it does read that way a little bit.

506
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 4: I'm not crazy.

507
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: It does read that way a little bit, it does.

508
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: I agree.

509
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: I want to say some more things, but I don't

510
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: have them in the same right guys, So I'm going

511
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: to just I'm stuck here now in this concept of

512
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: just withholding this from an institutional place like the I

513
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: feel like it's so universal. If you're of age and

514
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: you have, you know, been sexual one time, even if

515
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: that's just with yourself, right, once you know that feeling,

516
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: once you know that sensation, and then once you have

517
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: a partner, no matter who that partner is, no matter

518
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: what the purposes of the sexual interaction you're having is,

519
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: whether it's to have kids or even if you cannot

520
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: have kids. With the type of sexual interactions you're having,

521
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: that that thing inside you is the same. It's a

522
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: biological urged thing that's inside you, right, that feel that

523
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: you get from interactions like that, the comfort that you

524
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: get with especially when you have somebody else that's around you.

525
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: Because we talked about it before, the chemicals that get released,

526
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: that all the stuff that keeps couples together, all that

527
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: stuff that it's all positive things that end up happening

528
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: in your body. When you have something like that and

529
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: it's consensual and it's you know, of people who are

530
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: adults and all that stuff, it's it's so strange to

531
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: me to make that the thing.

532
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: Well, and it also kind of implies this sort of

533
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: view of sex as something impure, like going against that

534
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: biological imperative. Like you would think that the highest most

535
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: revered among us in a society would be the ones

536
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 4: we wanted to reproduce the most, but instead we deprive

537
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: them of that for whatever reason, and it creates all

538
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: of these opportunities for scandal. I just don't understand that

539
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: view because it seems to even like in Catholicism, like

540
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: with with priests and stuff, there is this inherent view

541
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: of sexual conduct as bad.

542
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, why, well it's a way a Celtics want

543
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: you to reproduce. It.

544
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: Just I just don't understand there's this, there's this disconnect.

545
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: I want you to reproduce in a narrowly defined and

546
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: scope right, a very narrow, highly regulated field of play, marriage, right,

547
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: and sex for the purpose of reproduction not recreation. Uh this,

548
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody who's unfamiliar with this concept, if

549
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: there are a few of us left, should check out

550
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: our previous episodes on how cults are for right and

551
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 2: how these organizations uh do do say you know, look

552
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: but don't touch, touch, but don't taste. Now I'm quoting

553
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: Devil's advocate.

554
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: I love it, but that's a different.

555
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: But then there's somebody at the top who's having their

556
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: fill and just ah, but you can't.

557
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: Oh, the Medici popes to those guys were wild. It

558
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: was Panama City, spring break, the entirety of their run.

559
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: Kinky pattis yeah, well, I mean it goes back, right,

560
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 3: so ancient religious orders. You can think about what's going

561
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: down in Rome and Greece and just take it back

562
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: to the ancient empire. So especially religious.

563
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: Leaders requisite castoration and so.

564
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, and then just I think about the

565
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: studies that I'm done with children, and specifically the one

566
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: where there's two you get two marshmallows if you can

567
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: leave that one there and withhold right right, But most

568
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: of the kids, especially American kids, ate that first marshmallow

569
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: because they it's just difficult to control something where especially

570
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: when for some reason humans, when you're told you can't

571
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 3: do something, you're not supposed to do something, there's some

572
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: urge within a lot of us that says, I need

573
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: to do that thing, give me it, right.

574
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, dare program.

575
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: I'm thanks, guys, but it's just it's so deep in there.

576
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what it I don't know, Well, it's.

577
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 4: Reptile brain stuff, you know. I mean, like and again,

578
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 4: a lot of these things, like we know, even those

579
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 4: adaptations of the animal urges and drives and survival instincts,

580
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: we've kind of outlived their usefulness in the way they

581
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: were originally designed, so we kind of have to like

582
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: fill those things with other stuff. Does that make sense?

583
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: I feel like that's because you're not. Really you're not.

584
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: In very few cases are you removing the urge, even

585
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: if you physically prevent the consummation of that urge. I

586
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 2: would look also toward the Ottoman Empire, right, which had

587
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: an entire system of institutionalized castration, the Eunuchs, right, the

588
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: Kisler Naga, for instance, the white Unich, the black Unich.

589
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: It's not a racial thing. It's their role in the Harem,

590
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: and they channeled this. You could argue, I've talked with

591
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: too many folks about this, but you could argue that

592
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: those folks who were without their consent, deprived of what

593
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: would have been their normal sexual activity, they sought other

594
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: things out. And that's part of why this specific part

595
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: of the Ottoman Empire became such a powerful institution right there.

596
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: Look if someone is possessed by virtue of their existence,

597
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: of their natural inclinations that do not harm other people,

598
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: that's the important part, that do not harm other people,

599
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: that are, as Noel said, consensual. Then when you prevent

600
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: those people from existing the way they would have normally, right,

601
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: then there is always going to be an almost Newtonian response,

602
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: There is going to be an equal and opposite reaction

603
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: to that action foisted upon them. I yield my time.

604
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 4: Sorry, I was feeling and may think that's why we

605
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: see so much abuse in the church, in the in

606
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: the Catholic Church, it's that like equal and opposite reaction

607
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 4: to deprivation, which a lot of times it gets complicated

608
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: because things like guilt get figured into it and it

609
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 4: becomes psychologically rife or fraud rather.

610
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you're also forcefully sexualizing children, right, who then

611
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: grew up to be adults, and then that is the

612
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: way that they were sexualized. So you know it it

613
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: make I don't know if you guys saw some of

614
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: the stories coming out of BBC on this place called Rotherham.

615
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 3: It's it's a place where gangs, grooming gangs have been

616
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: active since the mid nineties and again so it's like,

617
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 3: it's not just churches. It's not it's not just all

618
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: these things. It's abuse of this type where they they

619
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: start the children very young, these gangs do. But then

620
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: the South Yorkshire Police, at least according to many investigations

621
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: that have been ongoing for decades or showing that it

622
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: was the police as well, because they could individuals within

623
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: some of that department could make use of the way

624
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: the children were already.

625
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: Groomed and exactly, and it.

626
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: Makes you really identify with with Marty Hart from True

627
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: Detective season one, and it makes you wish that some

628
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: of these folks could just get the LaDue treatment because dang,

629
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: that just shouldn't be allowed to exist.

630
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: Five survivors of Ratherham grooming gangs say they were also

631
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: raped by police officers just came out today. Yeah, this

632
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: is news to me.

633
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: I remember reading some of that last night.

634
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: This was in the UK.

635
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. The issue Future Area two is that it calls

636
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: into question all of the other public statements from people

637
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom that did trend. To be clear,

638
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 2: they did trend towards xenophobic and Islamophobic and all that stuff,

639
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 2: but there were when there is smoke, you should look

640
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: and see whether there is a fire. There is a

641
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: non zero chance that at least some members some factions

642
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: of UK law enforcement were beat opportunistic predators and we're

643
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: hiding or slow footing. If I can make that word

644
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: up an investigation that should have occurred, I don't. I

645
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 2: don't know, man, I'm just gonna say it. Look, British friends,

646
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: love you to pieces, love you to bits. There's some

647
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: stuff going on in that archipelago and it just keeps

648
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: getting covered up.

649
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, stuff going on everywhere, for sure, though, Ben and

650
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: I just add the last little detail from an AP

651
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 4: piece on this scandal. Will Iwan m Sawatt is her name,

652
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: in her mid thirties, was arrested her home north of Bangkok.

653
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: She's being charged with extortion, money laundering, and receiving stolen goods,

654
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: and police traced money transferred to her by a senior

655
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: monk from a bank account belonging to his temple in

656
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Speaker 4: northern Thailand. So this is from last week. No updates

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Speaker 4: as of yet, but yeah, good conversation.

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Speaker 2: Y know.

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Speaker 4: It's dark stuff, but I I had a feeling it

660
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Speaker 4: would go in some of these directions, so I'm glad

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Speaker 4: we got to it. Let's take a quick break here,

662
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Speaker 4: a word from our sponsor, and then return with another

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Speaker 4: piece of strange news.

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Speaker 3: All right, we've returned. Let's uh yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay, it's okay, not on purpose, just sometimes

666
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Speaker 4: it just be like.

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Speaker 3: Be like that, well, this is not gonna get any

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Speaker 3: brighter really besides the one explosion that will be right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh and then it gets a little different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. Yeah, immediately, Sorry, Okay, let's jump to.

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Speaker 4: It's always darkest before the grenade explosion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Uh, let's jump to The Guardian. We're

673
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Speaker 3: gonna go through some reporting from them, and then jump

674
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Speaker 3: to ABC in a couple other places. We're following an

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Speaker 3: ongoing story here that is occurring in Los Angeles County,

676
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, California, here in the States. So so, the

677
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: first report came out on July eighteenth. Explosion at Los

678
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Speaker 3: Angeles law enforcement training facility kills three people. I'm going

679
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Speaker 3: to read directly from this article here. The news as

680
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 3: it came out reported that an explosion at a training

681
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Speaker 3: facility in Los Angeles killed three human beings who were

682
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Speaker 3: with the county's Sheriff's department, and it was the largest

683
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Speaker 3: loss of life the agency has seen since eighteen fifty seven,

684
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Speaker 3: when four officers were killed by gunfire. The three deputies

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Speaker 3: who were killed were members of the sheriff Department's Arson

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Speaker 3: Explosives Detail, So immediately it sounds as though three men

687
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Speaker 3: were killed in explosion while they were working on some

688
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Speaker 3: kind of explosives project. Right, We don't know more than that.

689
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Speaker 3: That was all according to Robert Luna, who's the acting

690
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles County Sheriff. The incident took place shortly after

691
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Speaker 3: seven am on Friday, July eighteen. The explosion occurred at

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Speaker 3: the Department's Special Enforcement Bureau in the Arson Explosives Detail facility.

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Speaker 3: In the parking lot there is where it appears to

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Speaker 3: have occurred, at least initially from the helicopter footage that

695
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Speaker 3: was able to be captured by you know, NBC and

696
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Speaker 3: some of the local affiliates there.

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Speaker 2: So not on to be clear, not in some kind

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Speaker 2: of previously established training ground.

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Speaker 3: Yes, like getting to the facility where you would have

700
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Speaker 3: stuff like that. Right, so it appears that there were

701
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Speaker 3: explosives possibly in transit. It was a parking lot filled

702
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Speaker 3: with patrol cars, box trucks, things like that. The bomb

703
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Speaker 3: squad of the Los Angeles Police Department responded to the

704
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Speaker 3: scene to render the devices safe whatever, you know, if

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Speaker 3: there were any other devices and what was occurring, and

706
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Speaker 3: that task took a little over four hours. The FBI

707
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Speaker 3: and the ATF were also there assisting in the investigation,

708
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Speaker 3: basically to figure out what the heck happened. And in

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Speaker 3: that moment, at this time, on July eighteenth, there wasn't

710
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Speaker 3: any other information. The investigators at that time didn't think

711
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Speaker 3: there was any threat to anybody. They didn't believe that someone,

712
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Speaker 3: you know, blew up the car that held those people.

713
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Speaker 3: They didn't believe that it was an attack. They just thought, Okay,

714
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Speaker 3: something terrible has happened. These guys are involved with explosives.

715
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Speaker 3: Let's find out what that thing is. Then we jumped

716
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Speaker 3: to after there was some more information that started to

717
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Speaker 3: come out after that time, over the course of a week,

718
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Speaker 3: but a little less than ten days later, on July

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Speaker 3: twenty sixth, The Guardian also reported, and I'm using The

720
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Speaker 3: Guardian by the way, because it's just it's not one

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Speaker 3: of the primary US news outlets on purpose, because generally

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Speaker 3: these places will take a more filtered approach to news

723
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Speaker 3: that's coming out or directly from whatever department is, you know,

724
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Speaker 3: making a public statement.

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Speaker 2: And on critically, yes, from that department, just objective.

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Speaker 3: Here's what happened. So let's go to that. The title

727
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: is grenade missing from scene of blasts that killed three

728
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Speaker 3: LA police officers. So here's where it gets a little strange.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna read again directly from the Guardian here,

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Speaker 3: going back to Sheriff Luna here, he said that the

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Speaker 3: three men were working on two quote military style unquote

732
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Speaker 3: grenades when one detonated. The other is unaccounted for, and

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Speaker 3: that's according to the ATF, who is directly investigating the

734
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Speaker 3: blast now at this point. Sheriff Luna also said that

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Speaker 3: authorities have x rayed Special Enforcement Bureau vehicles, They've searched

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Speaker 3: the entire blast area. They've examined office spaces, the gym

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Speaker 3: that's located there. They have not found anywhere this second

738
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Speaker 3: potentially deadly grenade that's out there. Here's why it's important.

739
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Speaker 3: These two grenades that were seized at some apartment complex

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Speaker 3: like a town home complex in Santa Monica a day

741
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Speaker 3: before or the explosion occurred on the seventeenth. He said

742
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Speaker 3: that they x rayed the devices themselves and everybody involved

743
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Speaker 3: believed that these devices were inert, meaning they cannot explode

744
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Speaker 3: on their own. They are not going to explode likely,

745
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Speaker 3: even if you know with a grenade situation, if you

746
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Speaker 3: have a pullpin or something that would strike the thing,

747
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Speaker 3: that would cause the grenade to explode or cause the

748
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Speaker 3: fuse at least to be lit. They said, according to

749
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Speaker 3: their findings, these are the guys who are the explosives experts.

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Speaker 3: By the way, they say, these things are good to go.

751
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Speaker 3: We can move them right, and that's all they were doing.

752
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Speaker 3: They were moving them. After they got examined, the devices

753
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Speaker 3: were taken to be quote destroyed and rendered safe at

754
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Speaker 3: that specific facility in the parking lot where they exploded.

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Speaker 3: It was not known at that time if the grenades

756
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Speaker 3: had any connection to the military, though they were military

757
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Speaker 3: style grenades at least that's what they're reporting.

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask about that, Yeah, what type

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Speaker 2: of what type of grenade, because we know military style

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Speaker 2: can be somewhat of an umbrella term, kind of like

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Speaker 2: saying the assailant had a long gun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, which military right, Because each country's military uses

763
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: different types of grenade, some of them are similar some

764
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Speaker 3: of them so different, you know, And some grenades are explosives,

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Speaker 3: and as you stated, there been some grenades have a

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Speaker 3: different kind of yield, a different kind of thing that

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Speaker 3: happens when they explode.

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Speaker 2: Frag grenades or fragmentation I should say, I can't assume

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Speaker 2: everybody knows that one, but concussion, you know, But in

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Speaker 2: this case, it's definitely not just like a smoke grenade,

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Speaker 2: because three people are dead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was some type of fragmentation grenade, explosive grenade.

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Speaker 3: And again when you say military style, there's so many

774
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Speaker 3: different types of even a frag grenade that have been

775
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Speaker 3: used by the US military over the years, and right,

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Speaker 3: who knows, but it was something like that, and it

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Speaker 3: was found in that place, right, So probably a place

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Speaker 3: in a town home where you shouldn't have grenades, and

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00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they ran that past the landlid.

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00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but you know, some people do collect

782
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Speaker 3: military memorabilia and things like that, well, like an inert

783
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: grenade or a grenade that doesn't actually have any explosives

784
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Speaker 3: in it, but it's the shell of a grenade. Some

785
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: people collect that kind of stuff and whatever. That's fine.

786
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Speaker 3: I think some people even collect the other stuff, just

787
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Speaker 3: not on a on the level, let's say.

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Speaker 2: And it's very easy to mistake something for inert if

789
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Speaker 2: you're not an expert. Just like you should always treat

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Speaker 2: any gun, even a gun at a museum that has

791
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Speaker 2: its barrel filled with lead. Any gun should be treated

792
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Speaker 2: as actively loaded, safety off, even if you just check

793
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Speaker 2: the safety. Any explosive device, no matter how fun and

794
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Speaker 2: cool the museum looks, should be treated as though it

795
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Speaker 2: can go off.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And again, these individuals, the three men killed.

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Speaker 3: Detective Ecklund had nineteen years of experience, Detective Limis had

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Speaker 3: twenty two years of experience in Detective Osbourne had thirty

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Speaker 3: three years of experience in that sheriff's department. And they

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Speaker 3: were explosives arson experts, and they used very sensitive, specialized

801
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Speaker 3: equipment to make sure these things were safe. And then

802
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: they went off, and then a grenade is missing. That's

803
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: what That's why it makes you think maybe something else

804
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: is at play here, Maybe something else happened, Maybe just

805
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Speaker 3: something we don't understand occurred. Right as especially as an

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Speaker 3: ATF agent whose third party coming in to investigate a

807
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Speaker 3: scene like that, there are so many unknowns at that

808
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: point of how the heck did this happen? Why is

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Speaker 3: the other one gone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is not a situation where, for instance,

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Speaker 2: the two explosive devices could be close enough together that

812
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Speaker 2: one is just obliterated, you would still be able to

813
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Speaker 2: find fragments of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, theoretically, that's part of a fragmentation grenade. Right, that's

815
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Speaker 3: one of the things it does, the specially designed ones

816
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: you've probably seen in video games or movies that have

817
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Speaker 3: the little ridges around them. That's because those ridges fragment

818
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: and become the weapon shrapnel. Yeah, it's specialists with ATF

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Speaker 3: and the FBI would be able to easily ascertain if

820
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Speaker 3: there's enough material to constitute two explosives. Right, it's just creepy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm picking up or putting down here because the

822
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Speaker 2: question is the missing grenade that some of the reporter

823
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Speaker 2: and your shared tells us that the devices were originally

824
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Speaker 2: discovered after tenant had left the previous tenant who may

825
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: have been in the US military. But let's say the

826
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Speaker 2: quiet part out loud. We have questions until that other

827
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Speaker 2: grenade is found, there is a non zero possibility that

828
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Speaker 2: there might have been something more than an accident at play,

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Speaker 2: especially given the decades and decades of experience these l

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Speaker 2: eos had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe you're listening to this and you're in

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Speaker 3: the Los Angeles County area of just quickly, you're probably

833
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Speaker 3: following this already. But Sheriff Luna and Kenny Cooper, who's

834
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Speaker 3: a special Agent in charge there at the ATF, said, hey,

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Speaker 3: if you do see something that you think maybe could

836
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Speaker 3: possibly be a grenade, whatever you do, do not touch

837
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Speaker 3: the dang thing and call somebody.

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Speaker 2: Those poor kids LA is already stressed, a stressed out

839
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Speaker 2: right with the with that, the huge earthquake, the not

840
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Speaker 2: uncommon natural disasters. Imagine being one of those kids in

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Speaker 2: the LA area. You wake up, you have to you

842
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Speaker 2: have to go to school or do your kids stuff,

843
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: and then your parents go, m okay, I want to

844
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Speaker 2: I want to be straight with you, tyler. Uh, this

845
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: is what a grenade is. If you see something that

846
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 2: looks like I know you got a lot going on, bud,

847
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Speaker 2: But if you see something that looks like this run away. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well and if you're a kid and you see something

849
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: like that, your curiosity gets pequed. And that's something that

850
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Speaker 3: we've all got And oh.

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Speaker 2: This is the thing Dad told me to look out

852
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Speaker 2: for and not mess with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, especially if you don't get warned, you know, like,

854
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: oh dude, what is that a grenade? Because all these

855
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: kids are playing college for Fortnite, all of them have

856
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 3: grenades in them.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Just what this is a hope that everybody is very

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Speaker 3: careful and whoever it was in Marina del Rey that

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Speaker 3: Marina del Rey.

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Speaker 4: Sorry too much, you had to do it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, whoever that is, I hope that person

864
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Speaker 3: is being talked to and coming forward just to have

865
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Speaker 3: an understanding of what's going on. And hopefully there's not

866
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Speaker 3: somebody out there that's got one of these things there

867
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Speaker 3: wants to use it for one reason or another.

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Speaker 4: Can I really quickly just say without going into it,

869
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Speaker 4: because I mean, the news is out there and it

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Speaker 4: is what it is. How crazy is it that it

871
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Speaker 4: didn't even make the cut today that there was another

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Speaker 4: mass shooting in an office building in midtown Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

874
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just crazy that. I mean, I'm not casting

875
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 4: aspersions at any of the three of us. It literally

876
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 4: just occurred to me that is the level of business

877
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: as usual that that kind of thing as people.

878
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're also not going to talk about the

879
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 3: Reno shooting at the casino where the man's like paced

880
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 3: back and forth for forty five minutes and was observed

881
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: doing so before he got his gun out and went

882
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: up to the vallet area and started shooting people.

883
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: And we had one line at best about the the

884
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: situation in Thailand and Cambodia, and then one line maybe

885
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: about the huge earthquake that's sending tsunamis across across the ocean.

886
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: It's a lot of stuff. Yeah, and that's why this

887
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: is a continuing mission for us. And I couldn't be

888
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: happier for us to have teamed up together on these things,

889
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: even in the darkest of times.

890
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 4: No, no question, it keeps me sane. I love you guys.

891
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: We love you too, man, I like both of.

892
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 5: I love you.

893
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought Dylan was going to hit us with

894
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: that oh that cold, that cold wind of a relationship

895
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: talk where Dyl is going to pause and go, you're great, God,

896
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: you have such personalities. Sorry, we're derailing mass speaking of

897
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: cold wind.

898
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: Back in three roughly two years ago, Ben, I think

899
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 3: you brought to the table a store about a weird

900
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 3: concept that the White House had of like, maybe we

901
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: should study blocking out the sun with some stuff, you know,

902
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: matrix style.

903
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Let's do it, do it, cowards.

904
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Speaker 3: Well, we have some updates from that that That original reporting,

905
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: at least that I had seen, came from Politico from

906
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: one Corbyn. Hyar hi ar again. That was July first,

907
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, when that came out. You can look

908
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 3: it up. The title of the article is white House

909
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: cautiously opens the door to study blocking sun's raised to

910
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: slow global warming.

911
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: I want my VENMO to go towards that project. That's us.

912
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I don't care how you rationalize it, guys.

913
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: Just make it happen.

914
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: Okay, that's good.

915
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: Sun sucks. We're on records upon it. The yellow sun.

916
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 4: This insists upon itself.

917
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: So I'm so glad to hear, and I think all

918
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: our fellow damp here are happy to hear that the

919
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: project may be moving forward well.

920
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: And I don't maybe is it a good thing. I

921
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 3: don't know. Seems like maybe the worst thing, but also great.

922
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: Corbyn is back though, and in Politico he's writing again

923
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: now July twenty seventh, twenty twenty five. You can read

924
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 3: this article. Researchers quietly planned a test to dim sunlight.

925
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 3: They wanted to quote avoid scaring the public. And it

926
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 3: goes into deep, full detail of the backing of some

927
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: of this stuff, the billionaire money that was coming in,

928
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: the government money that was coming in, and this basically

929
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: a really quiet attempt to see in this little spot

930
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: over the ocean right near Puerto Rico, to see if

931
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: they could actually do this thing and then to maybe

932
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: unleash it on all of us.

933
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, it is, I caught you, it is.

934
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: But but we're talking about blotting out the sun guys.

935
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some lex there right there. It's the army

936
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 2: you have, you know, let's figure it out.

937
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: Is it to you? Just asking for.

938
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 2: I would go I would go with luthor, but I'm

939
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: they change it.

940
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 4: And depending on the movie and the and the whatever.

941
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like how we would say sure

942
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: versus sure, or how we would say for versus four.

943
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 4: We've just gotten Everybody's just sounds more like he man

944
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: ask more extreme sorry or cal l right, Yes, cadence

945
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 4: makes sense.

946
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, there are I mean, there are always wild

947
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: drawing board projects like this. This one feels a little

948
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 2: bit different.

949
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: Well, because it was a real test. They actually tried

950
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: to do it, and then he got shut down because

951
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: they didn't give enough warning. And they all they did

952
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: was they told the New York Times like a pr thing.

953
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, new York, all right, we're gonna blow

954
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: out the sun a little bit, Steve. If it works,

955
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: all right, I hope you guys are good. And then

956
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 3: the local authority said, hey, you didn't you didn't say that.

957
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: You didn't say you were doing c seed on this email.

958
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: This one should have been a wider conversation. Yeah, speaking

959
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: of consent.

960
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 4: Geez.

961
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: Anyway, check out those articles. It might be worth a

962
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: full episode from us at some point just to really

963
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: go over what they were planning and could that actually

964
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 3: work and do we want.

965
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: To do that? And that's it for me, and our

966
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: mission continues. Folks, Thank you, as always so much for

967
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: tuning in. We want to hear your thoughts on these

968
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: and all the other stories. We do also want to

969
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: point out something we didn't get to, our own fellow

970
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: Atlanta resident Julian Brown and the conversation about plastly his term,

971
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: and we're going to get to that maybe in the

972
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: next few weeks. In the meantime, we want to hear

973
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: from you. Tell us your thoughts. You can find us

974
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: in an email, You can find us via telephonic code.

975
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: You can all so find us on the lines correct.

976
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: You can find us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff where

977
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's where

978
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: it gets crazy, on xfka, Twitter, and on YouTube where

979
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 4: we have videos for your perusing, enjoyment. On Instagram and TikTok.

980
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: On the other hand, we are Conspiracy Stuff Show and

981
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: there's more.

982
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: Oh yes, we have a phone number. It is one

983
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: eight three three std WYTK. It's a voicemail system. When

984
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: you call in, give yourself a cool nickname and let

985
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: us know within the message if we can use your

986
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: name and message on the air. If you've got links,

987
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: maybe the hyperkind, maybe you've got attachments of kitty kats

988
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 3: or something that will lift all of our spirits, why

989
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

990
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: We are the entities that read each piece of correspondence

991
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

992
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: writes back and yes we do know about shall lend

993
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: temple ceo monk speaking of violation of holy folks is

994
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 2: being probe for cartoonish embezzlement. May have had a lot

995
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Speaker 2: of kids, like a Djengus God level lot of kids.

996
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 4: Ooh, good call, Ben did not catch that. That's interesting

997
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 4: in and of itself.

998
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: We're going to get back with that and more strange news.

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