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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio, where we

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Speaker 2: talk true crime all the time.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, it is April second, and we have

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Speaker 2: an absolutely stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 4: Gerhart Koenig takes the stand to defend himself against the

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Speaker 4: allegations that he allegedly attempted to kill his wife. We've

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Speaker 4: been covering this all week. He tried to allegedly toss

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Speaker 4: her off a cliff. Plus, a new victim has been

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Speaker 4: connected to the notorious serial killer Ted Bundy. Have you

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Speaker 4: guys heard about this yet? Lots of unpack there. And

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Speaker 4: also the housewife Jen Shaw. Do you all remember her?

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Speaker 4: She is allegedly now been released from jail where she

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Speaker 4: was sharing space with Gelaane Maxwell and she has some

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Speaker 4: tales to tell about how Gilaine behind bars is definitely

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Speaker 4: getting some preferential treatment. Also breaking news as we come

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Speaker 4: on the air, Pam Bondi has been fired and you

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Speaker 4: know everyone's wondering will she in fact still have to

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Speaker 4: testify in front of Congress regarding her handling of the

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Speaker 4: Epstein files and their release. And also we're just hearing

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Speaker 4: now that the person sitting in for her will be

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Speaker 4: Todd Blanche for the moment, and that you'll remember is

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Speaker 4: Trump's former defense attorney or personal attorney I believe in

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Speaker 4: some of his criminal cases. And he's also the person

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Speaker 4: who interviewed Gilaine Maxwell prior to her transfer to the

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Speaker 4: current location that she's in right now. So anyway, he

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Speaker 4: claims he will not be releasing any more files and

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Speaker 4: would like to see this be done.

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Speaker 3: So here we are, everybody. Well, there you go, there

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Speaker 3: you go.

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Speaker 4: I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong and body move

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Speaker 4: in and of course we have producer Taha and Sam

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Speaker 3: Eight eight eight three one crime. So ladies, Thursday, we

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Speaker 3: made it.

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Speaker 5: We did.

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Speaker 3: It's amazed.

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Speaker 6: Finally here it's Friday, Junior.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday Junior. Yet again, I will say I feel encouraged.

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Speaker 4: I want everybody to know that going into this holiday weekend,

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Speaker 4: whether you're celebrating a holiday or not, either way, we

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Speaker 4: hope you have a RESTful one coming up, And I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I feel like there's hope in the air.

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Speaker 6: I'm starting to really feel it. What gives you that illusion?

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Speaker 4: I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I

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Speaker 4: just feel like things are coming out and people are

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Speaker 4: getting kind of slapped on the wrist for bad behavior,

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Speaker 4: and little by little, I think the good will outweigh

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Speaker 4: the bad.

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Speaker 3: I have a totally different perspective.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, honey, of course, Debtie Downer enters the two.

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Speaker 4: Tell well, I feel like I've been Debbie Downer for

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Speaker 4: quite some time now, So listen, I woke up today

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Speaker 4: changing my tune.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what April will bring with it? Greatness?

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Speaker 3: There you go? All right, spring has sprung.

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Speaker 4: Spring has sprung exactly. And who will be next on

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Speaker 4: the list in terms of being fired?

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Speaker 3: We do not know. But yeah, so you're feeling like

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Speaker 6: You just think I un settle, Like, you know, Pam

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Speaker 6: Bondi is doing the bidding of the president at his discretion,

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Speaker 6: and she is happy to do so for his you know,

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Speaker 6: And I feel that him pulling her, you know, before

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Speaker 3: Is a game. I think it's a game.

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Speaker 4: Could very well be again, yet again, only the women

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Speaker 4: are taking the hits. Yeah, on all things Epstein Files.

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Speaker 4: You know again, I'm not making excuses for gay Laine Maxwell,

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Speaker 3: So, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a game of checkers at this point,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just don't like it.

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Speaker 4: I don't like it either, but I think people are

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Speaker 4: convinced it's a better swap in this. Of course, if

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to fly, though. I feel

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Speaker 4: In the air, there's going to be a bit of

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and keep in mind that there are still

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Speaker 4: But there's two million documents that are still outstanding. To

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Speaker 4: saying that transparency where as required. Just as a friendly reminder,

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Speaker 4: all of those redactions were also supposed to be footnoted.

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Speaker 3: This would take us back prior to the holidays.

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Speaker 4: So here we are now in springtime, still sort of

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Speaker 4: dancing the same slow dance. And I do think there's

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Speaker 4: a crack though. There's a crack in the system. It's

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Speaker 6: I feel like this guy also is the guy that

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Speaker 6: gave Glaine this sweetheart deal, and it's true now I

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Speaker 3: In listen.

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Speaker 6: I'm no fan of Pam Bondy either, you know what

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Speaker 4: Well, if anybody has any suggestions about better suggestions and

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Speaker 3: You know, we'll keep beating along.

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Speaker 4: But if people have any ideas, I think we're all

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Speaker 2: Well, I think when it's time to vote, that's what

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Speaker 3: So I agree, I.

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Speaker 4: Agree, So let's not lose hope and body. It's so

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Speaker 4: appropriate for you to feel that way. I totally so appropriate.

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Speaker 4: And again, you're how are we switching gears? We're switching.

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Speaker 4: We're a week off. I was you last week and

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Speaker 4: you find yourself right in the middle wearing She's wearing

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Speaker 3: Cheese till then.

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Speaker 2: Shall we get into this Hawaii trial we've been covering.

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Speaker 2: So Gerhart Koenigg, we talked about this for a while.

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Speaker 2: He's the forty seven year old anesthesiologist. He's been charged

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Speaker 2: with second degree attempted murder. He allegedly attacked his wife,

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Speaker 2: Ariel Koning. This was in Hawaii, and the allegation is

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Speaker 2: The prosecution has rested after it seemed like a really

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Speaker 4: So according to the Sun's testimony, Dad said I killed her,

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Speaker 7: You heard her say to the witnesses, he tried to

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Speaker 3: She said I tried to kill her.

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Speaker 7: Were you confessing to him that you had you were

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Speaker 7: trying to kill Ariad?

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Speaker 7: Okay, were you did you have an intention to kill

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Speaker 7: dispute that the word kill probably came out, okay, And

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Speaker 3: Yes, what a guy. This is a heck of a dad.

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Speaker 2: My eyes are rolling out of my head listening to that.

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Speaker 3: You have to see it.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know if you guys remember the Gannon

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Speaker 3: So she's forty two years old.

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Speaker 6: She was convicted in twenty twenty three of the January

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Speaker 6: so letitia. She was originally sentenced to life in prison

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Speaker 6: A riot in court, and I don't mean that.

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Speaker 6: She would she had like little hissy fits in court,

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Speaker 4: She was also trying to almost appear unstable in a way,

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Speaker 3: Was trying to create a narrative that she was dissociated.

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Speaker 3: So you know, the stick was that she was maybe

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Speaker 6: Right, So this week the Colorado Court of Appeals. They

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Speaker 6: She was eleven years old. He was reported missing after

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Speaker 6: Investigators found that, you know, Letitia repeatedly refused to cooperate

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Speaker 4: Throw away the key on this person, I mean, cannot

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Speaker 6: It just seems like such alternate, yeah, right. The jury

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Speaker 4: This is incredibly frustrating though, right, yeah, this is one

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Speaker 3: Call it that.

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Speaker 6: I totally, one hundred percent, I'm on board with you,

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Speaker 3: It's just too much. It's too much.

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Speaker 6: However, this does show the justice system war is working

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 6: You can't prosecute somebody with an you know, somebody on

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Speaker 6: I mean, obviously you want your son's job to have

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Speaker 4: So BATSIA members do it through it without through the

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Speaker 6: You know when they had when she got convicted. I

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Speaker 6: called Gannon Big g Big g Man or something g

445
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 6: Man and they had like this really beautiful lawn statue

446
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 6: of like Gannon as like a superhero. And I don't

447
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 6: know it just it was a big deal at the time.

448
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 6: In twenty twenty three, we were all talking about it.

449
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 6: We were all watching the trial. We were all so

450
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 6: happy for the family that, you know, justice for little Gannon.

451
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 6: And now here we are twenty twenty sixth three years later,

452
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 6: it's going to happen again. And I have faith that

453
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 6: she's going to get get invicted again.

454
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: I really do. Yeah. So, yeah, so we'll find out

455
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 3: what happens.

456
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, we'll all keep hoping faith, and of course

457
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: we'll keep you updated as this moves forward. Yeah, this

458
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: is true crime tonight, and we just wrapped up the

459
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: story of a woman who is going to need.

460
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: To be retried.

461
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: But if you are just joining us, we are starting

462
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: something new right now.

463
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: Body moving.

464
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so there's a new Ted Bundy victim.

465
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 4: Do you guys know about this? I'm desperate to talk

466
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 4: to you about Yes. Yeah, this is so interesting.

467
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 6: So Laura Anne Eim Okay, she's a seventeen year old

468
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 6: from Utah and she went missing on Halloween of nineteen

469
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 6: seventy four. I was just one years old at this time.

470
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 6: Halloween nineteen seventy four. She went to a party and

471
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 6: then in the middle of the party, she's like, I'm

472
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 6: going to go to the convenience store. She left alone,

473
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 6: and she disappeared. Nobody's seen her again about a month later,

474
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: a little under a month later, her body was found

475
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 6: and she was nude. She had she was bound. There

476
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 6: was like a stocking that they believe was used to

477
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 6: strangle her. And I mean and also by the way,

478
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 6: it looked as as if her body had been freshly placed. Okay,

479
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 6: interesting that that is very interesting. So the authorities at

480
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 6: the time thought, you know, that she had been held

481
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 6: somewhere for you know, a while. Well, advances in DNA.

482
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 6: Now listen, Ted Bundy confessed to this on his deathbed

483
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 6: or not. You know, when he was going to the

484
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 6: chair that he said that he had done this. But

485
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 6: you know, there wasn't any coroborating evidence, and he confessed

486
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 6: to killing a lot of people, right, I think he

487
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 6: confessed to thirty, but authorities believe it's up to one hundred.

488
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 3: He was only.

489
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 6: Convicted on three, but they believe it's thirty with actually

490
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 6: being more. She was one of them, but there was

491
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 6: never any forensic evidence to prove it. Now, yeah, have

492
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 6: the evidence, it's very underestivable. It's so great.

493
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: Right, So.

494
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 6: He had long been suspected of doing this, Like I said,

495
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 6: you know this modern forensic science allowed authorities to confirm

496
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 6: his involvement this month. In April twenty twenty six, the

497
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 6: Sheriff's Office announced that DNA evidence confirmed Ted Bundy was

498
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 6: responsible for the nineteen seventy four murder of Laura Ann

499
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 6: em And they are officially closing the case. I mean,

500
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 6: it's very exciting, very important, not only in her sister,

501
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 6: her little baby sister who's now older and like my

502
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 6: age now you know, like she's got gray hair, she's like,

503
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 6: this was my older sister, and she would be so

504
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 6: happy that he has been he's been, you know, officially

505
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 6: tied to her death. And you know if in the

506
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 6: sheriff even said, if Ted Buddy was alive today, they

507
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 6: would see the death penalty just for this case.

508
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, so's it's an incredible breakthrough.

509
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 6: And the iPort, I mean, you know, obviously one of

510
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 6: the things that's coming out of that that's very important

511
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 6: is this DNA advancement that they've got. They're able to

512
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 6: take very very small, tiny samples of DNA, even if

513
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 6: it's mixed with other people, and they were able to

514
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: isolate Ted Bundy's DNA. So now they have a full

515
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 6: profile of Ted Bundy's DNA and the sheriffs are like,

516
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 6: we're going to send this out to everybody, so listen.

517
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 6: I think this is the first domino of unsolved cases

518
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 6: that might be linked to Ted Bundy.

519
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 4: It's incredible because we know, yes, you're to confessed to

520
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 4: so many he did, and again, imagine your loved ones

521
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: death has still never been solved, or there are Jane Does.

522
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 4: We work on many of these cases where there are

523
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,239
Speaker 4: Jane Does who have yet to really be identified, let

524
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 4: alone their manner of death. So here is Ted Bundy

525
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 4: almost confessing in now decades later, that's astounding. Hats off

526
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 4: to law enforcement. I assume this is through Authroom. Is

527
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: the DNA Lab, I assume.

528
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't see any indication that it was Authroom.

529
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if it was. I think, yeah, we'll

530
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 6: have to look. I think it was the State hold on.

531
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I have the State Crime Lab got new

532
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: technology a few years ago and that it was that

533
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: that allowed So I think it was the State Crime Lab.

534
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: They up their technology to you know where it is now.

535
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it's it's it's just incredible. So she again,

536
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 6: she was at this Halloween party, you know, celebrating. She

537
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 6: was seventeen years old, you know, in high school, senior,

538
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 6: just living her life. Right, you're out with your friends.

539
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 6: It's the seventies. Sure, no beautiful life ahead of her. Yeah,

540
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 6: She's like, I'm going to go to the store. She

541
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 6: goes to the store, never comes back. Halloween December twenty seven,

542
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 6: there were a couple of hikers in the America and

543
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 6: Fort Canyon and they came across her body. Again, she

544
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 6: was bound, severely beaten. She was no clothing. They had done.

545
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: You know, we've heard many many cases where Ted Bundy

546
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 6: used this like almost like pantyhose stockings that had been

547
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 6: used for strangulation and ultimately was her cause of death.

548
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: And there was evidence that indicated her body had been

549
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 6: recently placed, which is so interesting to me. This part

550
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 6: is so interesting to me because Ted Bundy was studying

551
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 6: in Salt Lake City at this time to be a lawyer.

552
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: That's right, right, It was like slightly in a relationship

553
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: during this time.

554
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 6: He was And I'm kind of wondering where did he

555
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 6: keep her? Where did he keep her? And is there

556
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 6: evidence at the place he kept her that would link

557
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 6: other victims, you know what I mean? Like where was

558
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 6: I mean, where did he keep her for you know,

559
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 6: an extended period of time?

560
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: We don't know.

561
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 6: Investigators, they did note similarities to Ted Bundy's known pattern

562
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: of using all types of ruises and tactics to lure

563
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 6: in his victims. And again he moved to Salt Lake

564
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 6: City in mid nineteen seventy four to study law at

565
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 6: the University Vite of Utah, and he had previously been

566
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 6: considered a suspect, and of course later he verbally acknowledged

567
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 6: his culpability in her death. While he was on death row.

568
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 6: You know, it's all on those tapes because he was

569
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 6: trying to get out. He was trying to get off

570
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 6: of the chair, and he thought that if he started confessing,

571
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 6: they would have leniency on him and let him, you know,

572
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 6: sort of live his life, you know, in prison.

573
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: Of course, he did a really good job breaking that down.

574
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: I did really yes, I'd.

575
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: Never Okay, this was total fresh news to me, and

576
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, yeah, but I hope you're right that

577
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: this is Indeed, I hope it's a domino effect and

578
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: just victims' families who are out there with question mark

579
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: in their hearts can have a little bit.

580
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 6: Of the I'm almost amount of DNA now they can

581
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: even degraded, they can they can work with it.

582
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: So this is hopefully some good news moving forward. Absolutely,

583
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods.

584
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: I know we've been seeing a lot of coverage of this,

585
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: but there have been some new developments today. Courtney fill

586
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: us in. It doesn't sound as though it has been

587
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: great to be Tiger Woods. When you find pills in

588
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 4: his pocket upon your rest.

589
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: It does not seem to be good to be Tiger Woods.

590
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: So last week Woods, of course, he's I guess the

591
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: most famous golfer in the world. He was involved in

592
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: a rollover crash. This happened in Florida, and he collided

593
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: with a truck while he was distractedly driving and allegedly impaired.

594
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: Woods. He was arrested.

595
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: He was charged with the dui and property damage, but

596
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 2: authorities are now saying that Woods was in possession of

597
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: opioid pills, which this is fresh news. And today the

598
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: bodycam footage of the arrest was released and boy oh boy,

599
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: he claimed he was quote talking to the president as

600
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: in the president of our country, Donald Trump.

601
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: So that's what he's telling officers as he's being which

602
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: frankly may have been the case.

603
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: Remember he was dating or is dating one of the

604
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: Trump ex wives, right, so.

605
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, Donald Trump Junior's ex wife.

606
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: That's Hi Trump.

607
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 4: So Ki Trump's the young daughter who's forever on social

608
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: media a little bit making me crazy.

609
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: That's her mom is dating Tiger right.

610
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, so in this President Trump responded. He later

611
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: said Tiger Woods was quote doing good, but lives a

612
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: life of pain.

613
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: So that is how our president weighed in on this.

614
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: That's the pain killers, I suppose.

615
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: I guess that is right, yes, And you can hear

616
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: in the bodycam footage Tiger Woods making statements like I

617
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: look down at my phone all of a sudden boom,

618
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: and he appeared disoriented and was asking about jail time.

619
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: The officers documented quite a few signs of impairment. There

620
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: was bloodshot and glassy eyes, extremely dilated pupils, with thargic movement,

621
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: stumbling during sopriety tests. The list goes on, and as

622
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: you mentioned, Stephanie, the authorities did recover two hydrocodone pills

623
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: also identified as Norco, and Tiger Woods did tell officers

624
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: I take a few prescription medications, and he did deny

625
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: alcohol use, and he did blow a zero point zero past.

626
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah he did not have alcohol.

627
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, by the way, it was two o'clock in

628
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: the afternoon, and yeah, he's a little out of it, right,

629
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 4: so he's probably popping some pills.

630
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: That seems to be the alegat here, you know. And

631
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: there was some conflicting reports.

632
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 4: One police report, if I'm not mistaken, said that he

633
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 4: was very alert, and others say that he was lethargic

634
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: and you know, kind of slurry, which is how he

635
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: appears in the body cam footage. Tiger just needs some help.

636
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: Can we get Tiger some help he needs to. Yeah,

637
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: he's been in several accidents at this point, and yeah,

638
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: but one which he was like severely injured. Right, Yeah,

639
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: he's almost like lost his leg.

640
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

641
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 6: So is it possible that he's still on pain medication

642
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 6: from that, Well, we're experiencing pain.

643
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he has had seven back surgeries and

644
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: more than twenty leg operations, and these operations are on

645
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: top of and partially as a result of prior crashes

646
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: twenty nine and twenty twenty one. But regarding getting the help,

647
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: it seems like he's about to get it. A judge

648
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: granted Wood's permission to leave the United States for treatment,

649
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: and the rationale was citing privacy concerns, and it was

650
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: partially at the behest of a for a physician's note

651
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: that described a complex clitical presentation that required care that's

652
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: unavailable domestically.

653
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 3: I was curious about that too.

654
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: It sounds like there's some sort of psychedelic drug, is

655
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: where my brain went. I don't know if he went true.

656
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: Maybe it's an ayahuasca or I mean, ketamine.

657
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

658
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 4: Why would he have to be international, He's not yes,

659
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: he is famous, but many famous people can receive care

660
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: within the US, you know, places of anonymity. Take it

661
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: very seriously. I'm happy to listen getting it if he's successful,

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Speaker 4: and I hope he is. I hope he shares where

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Speaker 4: he went to get the successful treatment, correct that it's

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Speaker 4: not available here, so that other people can be afforded

665
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Speaker 4: the same opportunity, right, I mean, listen, if he is

666
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Speaker 4: addicted to opioids, and I don't know that he is,

667
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Speaker 4: but if he is, I mean, this is a very

668
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 4: serious addiction and a lot so many people are suffering

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Speaker 4: from it. You know, you go have surgery, you break

670
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Speaker 4: your ankle, now suddenly you're addicted to you know, hydrocodone

671
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Speaker 4: because that's what they put you on. And I mean

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Speaker 4: it takes nothing to get addicted to these things. Nothing, Yes,

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Speaker 4: it really does.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, obviously this crisis is happening, happened to

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Speaker 2: any and all of us, absolutely anyone mm hm.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank anybody else got hurt, and that hopefully he

677
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Speaker 4: is going to be on the mend.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully, absolutely so.

679
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Speaker 2: In any case, Tiger Woods did acknowledge two days ago.

680
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Speaker 2: He said, I know and understand the seriousness of this situation.

681
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Speaker 2: I'm stepping away to seek treatment, which good for him

682
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Speaker 2: again is for the best of everything and for his

683
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Speaker 2: children and everything else. So we'll keep you know, keep

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Speaker 2: you posted on that sounds good.

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Speaker 6: This is true Crime tonight. We're on iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy

686
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Speaker 6: Movin and I'm with Courtney Armstrong and Stephanie Leidecker and

687
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Speaker 6: we're also here with Taha and Sam and Adam in

688
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Speaker 6: the control room. Give us a call eighty eight to

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Speaker 6: thirty one Crime. We were just talking about Tiger Woods,

690
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Speaker 6: but I understand we have some more information in Courtney

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Speaker 6: on something else.

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Speaker 4: What do you got you please? I have to talk

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Speaker 4: about Summer House. Is anybody else? I'm a sound of

694
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Speaker 4: our voice, a Bravo watcher who watches the show, the

695
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: show's Summer House and are seeing the scandal everywhere with Scamanda.

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Speaker 2: I'm losing my mind over this. I am Brittany into distraction.

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00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: I can think of little else.

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Speaker 3: And that is me too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like, can we set the stage a little bit?

700
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Speaker 4: So Bravo it has a show. You could also catch

701
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Speaker 4: it on Peacock. It's one of those you know, it's

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Speaker 4: a reality show, one of the old school ones, and

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00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: it's basically a bunch of of a bunch of young's.

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00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 4: Young adults go to the Hampton's in the summer, which

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Speaker 4: you know we all kind of did, and you all

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Speaker 4: like share a summer house, and it's the usual suspects,

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: old friends, and you know, after a while they become

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Speaker 4: like sisters and brothers.

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00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: You know, the bonds become.

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Speaker 4: Real and the breakups become more real. So we had

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Speaker 4: a big week in the land of Summer House Court.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to take the next section of this?

713
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Speaker 4: I don't want to jump the shark.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So if you're not super familiar, body, do you know

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Speaker 4: the show? You've never seen Summer House? I have really

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00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 4: tall take you too time. Oh, you guys are missing out.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Sam,

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Speaker 3: nobody knows what we're talking about. No, No, I'm guys

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Speaker 3: on social media? Are you under a rock? How are

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Speaker 3: you missing this? This? This? I would say it's probably

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Speaker 3: the two jobs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So the bottom line is is just to

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Speaker 4: bring you up to speed.

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Speaker 3: So yes, do you want to do the characters?

726
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Speaker 2: So in this house, there has been from the beginning,

727
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Speaker 2: there's a married couple, their names are Kyle and Amanda.

728
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Speaker 2: They've been together romantically for ten years. That's you know,

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Speaker 2: an eon in this kind of setup. So they're married.

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Speaker 2: There's two other people who have a dating history, Sierra

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Speaker 2: and West now Sierra dating and Amanda, who is married.

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Speaker 2: They are best girlfriends. They've been through a lot over

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Speaker 2: years and truly authentically they talk about mental health.

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Speaker 4: It's not super love them, yes love. I'm like so

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Speaker 4: on board with their friendship. And Sierra is like the

736
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Speaker 4: most beautiful black girl you've ever seen, and part of

737
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Speaker 4: her storyline this season is that she was dating and

738
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Speaker 4: she was dating this white guy named Wes, and like

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Speaker 4: she kind of got choked up sometimes in her confessionals

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Speaker 4: because last summer he treated her poorly and kind of

741
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Speaker 4: you know, kind of like tried to ride her fame

742
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Speaker 4: a little bit and screwed her over, and she just

743
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Speaker 4: sort of felt like specifically as like a woman of

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Speaker 4: color dating a white man also getting air quotes a

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Speaker 4: little bit played by him, like hits extra hard and

746
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Speaker 4: is like particularly like difficult, and like we all have

747
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Speaker 4: been rooting for her. And then this season those two

748
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Speaker 4: were kind of like getting cute with each other again.

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Speaker 4: Wes like maybe he's coming to his senses.

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Speaker 3: Ps.

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Speaker 4: She's so out of his leap. But nonetheless, you know,

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Speaker 4: proximity will do it. And you know she's kind of

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Speaker 4: like opening the door again to you know, potential.

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Speaker 3: And meanwhile, the other two, the married couple, they're breaking up,

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Speaker 3: they're divorcing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this is that is what is happening on

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Speaker 2: the show. So cut to now and Scamanda, as Stephanie said,

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Speaker 2: and this has reached like people who absolutely like you

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Speaker 2: do not know the show. It has reached all of

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Speaker 2: media because.

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Speaker 6: People are no idea more.

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Speaker 2: But now you do, now you do. And so cut

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Speaker 2: to now. Amanda, now having filed from for divorce, is

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Speaker 2: in a relationship with west So and and they lived.

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Speaker 2: Like Stephanie said, it's almost it's almost familial like these four.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and also it was like, okay, so they're going

767
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Speaker 4: through this divorce. Amanda has been scamming the system while summer,

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Speaker 4: allegedly by screwing over our.

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Speaker 3: Friend Sierra, who was getting feelings for this guy.

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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Amanda is in the triangle and being undercover about

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Speaker 4: it and having a relationship behind her girlfriend's back.

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Speaker 3: So she's breaking girl code. You know who cares about Wes.

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Speaker 4: She's breaking hardcore girl code and seeing it play out now,

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Speaker 4: the world's gone crazy because you know before, Oh it's terrible,

775
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Speaker 4: it's actually horrible. So you Era deserves the world, and

776
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Speaker 4: literally people are trying to set her up now with

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Speaker 4: Michael B.

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Speaker 3: Jordan, and she deserves I love him.

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Speaker 9: There you go?

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Speaker 3: Are they all? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Well, ABC, she'd be following her, she'd be she'd be

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Speaker 4: a great bachelorette.

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Speaker 3: And the way you describe her, that's more in her league. Michael. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: she's like an angel on Earth.

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Speaker 4: Anne has just been really screwed over by like who

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Speaker 4: should be her best friend?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's probably more hearp wreak. Well for me,

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Speaker 3: it would be more heartbreaking for my friend to do

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Speaker 3: that to me. Who cares? Who cares about him?

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Speaker 4: Right, everybody's like, you're feeling the girl code, you're bestie?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're best to you? No, no, sir, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: Have they done it? Interesting though, since well.

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Speaker 4: The reunion's coming up, and then Sierra was like, this

794
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Speaker 4: can't be true. Then the ex husband of Amanda's like, no,

795
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Speaker 4: this is just rumors, rumors, and then finally Amanda and

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Speaker 4: West came out with like a combined statement. And yes,

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Speaker 4: they're like working through their feelings. And now everyone's like, wait,

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Speaker 4: this has been going on for a long time. Actually,

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Speaker 4: they've been playing everyone. Number one, it's interesting that we're

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Speaker 4: seeing girl code. Everybody should pay attention to this. We're

801
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Speaker 4: watching the Bachelorette that tailor and their toxic relationship and

802
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: all the horribleness happening behind the scenes on that. We

803
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: get to learn a little bit about what a toxic

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Speaker 4: relationship is through that bachelorette mess. And I think in

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Speaker 4: this land as well, in Summerhouse, people should learn about

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Speaker 4: girl code and like, you don't do that to your buds. No,

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Speaker 4: can you imagine I would never date somebody that you

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Speaker 4: guys loved ever never ever your friend.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I wouldn't even know.

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Speaker 4: Or you have to be upfront about it and honest

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Speaker 4: about it. If it's that important, you got to come

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Speaker 4: clean on it from day one and ask for permission.

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Speaker 4: I guess right, And if you can't, you probably know that.

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Speaker 6: An end dirty and then I would feel really.

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Speaker 3: Weird about it.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, if she if she was in this friendship

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Speaker 6: with the girl I don't remember their names, but if

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Speaker 6: they were best friends and she was like getting intel,

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Speaker 6: so to speak, maybe on literally things that Wes did

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Speaker 6: or didn't like. Maybe or that's really shady, that's really shady,

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Speaker 6: and I would be heartbroken and probably would take me

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Speaker 6: a really long time to start trusting people again, honestly

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Speaker 6: in my kidding.

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Speaker 3: And that's what's happening.

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Speaker 2: That is exactly what's happening, you know. And Stephanie said, Sierah,

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Speaker 2: she's just she's she's soulful, she's thoughtful, she's complex.

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Speaker 3: She's a nurse, a nurse. Yeah, she's the most beautiful

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Speaker 3: model human. Yes, she's gorgeous. She looks like a model

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Speaker 3: and looking at her, yeah, she.

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Speaker 2: Has a model, a model and a nurse. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, sometimes God bless us in both.

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Speaker 3: Michael B.

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Speaker 6: Jordan would be so lucky, right, Jordan would be so lucky.

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Speaker 4: So hopefully that's going to get hooked up because Rihanna

835
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Speaker 4: is apparently stepping in.

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Speaker 3: To play matchmakers.

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Speaker 4: So listen, well play along, yeah, Bible, So now you can,

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Speaker 4: I mean, real big names are jumping into this conversation

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Speaker 4: because it's so shocking and heartbreaking. So now you are

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Speaker 4: all up to speed. Now you're caught up, So now

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Speaker 4: you can you know, follow along as if.

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Speaker 6: This shows up on my algorithm, now I'm gonna be

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00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 6: so angry because I have my algorithm like fine tune now.

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Speaker 4: Fair every show somebody else is a fun one. You

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Speaker 4: guys don't watch Southern Charm either? Am I the only

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Speaker 4: one that watches Southern Charm?

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Speaker 6: Cart and avoid reality.

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Speaker 11: I watched a lot of dramas reality, just like I

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Speaker 11: have enough reality drama, so I don't need that on

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Speaker 11: my free time.

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Speaker 3: You would be kind of fun on a reality show,

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Speaker 3: don't you think, Hilario. I would be the most boring,

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00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: Like you'd be the best boring most of your ever. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you wouldn't be up to no good.

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Speaker 4: You'd only be up to good, which you know is

856
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Speaker 4: hilarious in and of itself.

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Speaker 11: But I'd be on camera and that would be oh

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Speaker 11: shooting cameras well.

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Speaker 2: Stick around because at the top of the hour, reality

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Speaker 2: star Jen Shaw is speaking out about what you saw

861
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Speaker 2: behind bars with Gilaane Maxwell, and then we're going to

862
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: be joined by independent researcher Tony from Files Watch. He's

863
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Speaker 2: going to be breaking down the Epstein files and don't

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Speaker 2: forget give us a call. We're at eighty eight three

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Speaker 2: one Crime, True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 4: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

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Speaker 4: and Body. If you've missed any of the first hour

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Speaker 4: of the show, it's okay because you could always catch

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Speaker 4: us after as a podcast. And by the way, if

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Speaker 4: you want to join us live eight eight eight three

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Speaker 4: one crime, we'd love to hear from you. How about

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Speaker 4: jen Shaw not to just continue on all things reality TV,

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Speaker 4: but since we're on all things reality TV, court new Armstrong,

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Speaker 4: I know, I know you're with me on this one.

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Speaker 4: You've seen Jenshaw today right in her release and her

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Speaker 4: recent comments on Gilaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, I have a right, So it's here. Buckle up.

879
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: We have a little inside peek into Gilaine Maxwell's cushier

880
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: than cushy life. So if you're unfamiliar Ghlene Maxwell. She

881
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: is Jeffrey Epstein's longtime associate. She's been convicted of five

882
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: sex trafficking charges related to Epstein's exploitation of underage girls,

883
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: sentenced to twenty years in prison. Now back in twenty

884
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: twenty three, jen Shaw, she is a former star of

885
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Speaker 2: the Real Housewife of Salt Lake City. Genshaw was convicted

886
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: in a telemarketing fraud scheme. It was deplorable and she

887
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: stole so much money, specifically targeting the elderly, even though

888
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: she denies it, but.

889
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: She found herself in prison correctly so well.

890
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Speaker 2: Genshaw is now out on house arrest, and she recently

891
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: told People magazine that while she was in prison, it

892
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: was the same time that Gillen Maxwell was and she

893
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: witnessed this preferential prison treatment as well as Gillen Maxwell

894
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: showing disdain for her own victims.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I got it jumping because I can't eat it up.

896
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Speaker 4: So Genshaw, which is rich because she did fraud elderly people.

897
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Speaker 4: And if you watch that season, her arrest was jaw

898
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: dropping and it was great thing Reality Scandals was made of.

899
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 4: It was incredible. She serving time. By the way, she's

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Speaker 4: buds with Elizabeth Holmes. Remember I also the test by

901
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Speaker 4: the way, right, So this is what's doing in this

902
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 4: you know low security place that Elaine Maxwell was transferred to, right,

903
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: So it's Jen Shaw. Elizabeth Holmes. Remember, she was the

904
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Speaker 4: one that was making that fake drug, right she was.

905
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Speaker 6: Well, she was making that fake machine that was going

906
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 6: to like diagnose all your ailments in like one machine,

907
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 6: and does she able for billions of dollars?

908
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: For she was going to be the new you know,

909
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: Bill Gates or something, right, she really was, and it's deplorable.

910
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: It was Sarah nos that she was a sea Sarah's uh.

911
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: The book is actually pretty good on her. But yeah,

912
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: it was a blood starting, blood testing startup, and what

913
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: she sold was hope. She sold hope that her blood

914
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Speaker 2: testing machine would be able to basically solve all your ills.

915
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Speaker 2: And it was done convincingly enough. As you said, to

916
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Speaker 2: the tune of was it billions with the bee, I

917
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Speaker 2: mean it was.

918
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Speaker 4: I mean she was considered her star, right, she was

919
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 4: a magazine sar. Yeah, yeah, in that black turtleneck. She

920
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: was the female version of to your point, Bill Gates

921
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 4: and Steve Jobs and these big thinkers. So anyway, here

922
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: are these chickens serving their time behind bars, and I

923
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Speaker 4: guess Elizabeth and Jenshaw, who, by the way, Jenshaw looks

924
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Speaker 4: quite good. She does look healthy, and I would have

925
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Speaker 4: liked to have heard a little bit more of repenting

926
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Speaker 4: from her, but she was dishing on Gilane basically, yeah,

927
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Speaker 4: to your point saying that Gilaine, when all of the

928
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Speaker 4: victims were speaking out on television, they would see it,

929
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Speaker 4: and apparently Giley Maxwell didn't really care.

930
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: She showed little to zero remorse.

931
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Speaker 4: In fact, was very dismissive of anything related to the

932
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Speaker 4: Epstein files as they watched it behind closed doors, and

933
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Speaker 4: that yes, she got preferential treatment.

934
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Speaker 3: Why, yeah, well.

935
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Speaker 6: She's having those big conversations with our new attorney general.

936
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Speaker 4: That's right, it was the largest job in the land

937
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Speaker 4: of law enforcement.

938
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Speaker 3: Yes, is the person who made that decision.

939
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Speaker 2: M hm, Well, just a few of the observations, since

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00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: this is kind of fresh off the presses and mouths

941
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Speaker 2: of Genshaw. So she said that again glean Maxwell had

942
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Speaker 2: no remorse for the victims, and that when Maxwell saw

943
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Speaker 2: victims on TV, she was in complete disregard for them.

944
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Speaker 2: And keep in mind, what this is referencing is victims

945
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Speaker 2: pouring their hearts out in front of Congress for the

946
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Speaker 2: files to be released, and that Galleen Maxwell was completely dismissive.

947
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 3: Wow, in what way do we know?

948
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Speaker 6: Like, what is Genshaw's idea of dismissive? I want to

949
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 6: know details, you know what I mean? Like, there's parts

950
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Speaker 6: of me listen GILLNK and rot you know what I mean.

951
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 6: But there's hearts to me. That's like Genshaw just wants she.

952
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: Like the most credible person in the world, to be

953
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 4: giving input and insight into proper behavior behind bars.

954
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Speaker 3: Probably not. She did present pretty well.

955
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 4: Genshaw did seem pretty measured insane by the way she

956
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: was getting.

957
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 3: Arrested years ago.

958
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: Wasn't seemed a little off her rocker Admittedly absolutely so.

959
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Speaker 3: Jen.

960
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 4: We hope you're getting the help that you too needed

961
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: to get if in fact what you've been accused of

962
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: is true, But it does offer a little bit of insight.

963
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 4: First of all, what a weird place, Elizabeth Holmes, Genshaw

964
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Speaker 4: and Gilaine Maxwell just sharing space in and of itself

965
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: interesting of hell, oh goodness exactly, that's why you're on

966
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 4: the deplorables. And just even for Gilain Maxwell to have

967
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: a flippantness about her which is being alleged, and that

968
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: she too was getting all of this like extra special

969
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 4: special treatment. And again, this is a sex offender. She's

970
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Speaker 4: been convicted of terrible, terrible things. Thousands of girls have

971
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 4: said Gilaine Maxwell is just as bad. Sometimes some said

972
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 4: she was worse than Jeffrey Epstein, if you could imagine

973
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 4: such a thing. And here she sits just getting getting

974
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: a cushy deal and thankfully Todd Blanche wants to put

975
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 4: it behind the country. Okay, Todd BChE that.

976
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Speaker 6: To move for Yeah, no, we need to move on right.

977
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 4: Okay, once we get a thousand girls to have justice,

978
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: we can move on then.

979
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 3: Exactly. And we need that Tony. We need a Tony.

980
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: Where's Tony on the at Epstein files? Come on, He's

981
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 3: joining us shortly, very soon.

982
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: So Maxwell and this kind this does substantiate what we

983
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: have heard, but point taken on consider the source body.

984
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: This is Jenshaw of the.

985
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Speaker 2: Real Aswives of Salt Lake City, who was arrested for

986
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: horrible things. But what she did have to say, specifically

987
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: was Maxwell's Her preferential treatment included private workout sessions, special meals,

988
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: embottled water, and jen Shaw said she observed it firsthand

989
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: because she had to clean and handle equipment for GILLIANE.

990
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: Maxwell's late night workouts.

991
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Speaker 3: I believe that, actually, m I do believe it. Didn't.

992
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 6: We see photos of Gillane Maxwell, like with an umbrella

993
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 6: or something like exercising in the yard, and she had

994
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 6: like a big jug of iced tea or something.

995
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, she hated to do all of her She had

996
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 4: a special printer that she was able to use after

997
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: hours to help her case. Yes, and she was getting,

998
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 4: you know, some some downtime with puppies. Remember, she was

999
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 4: like having a little frolic time with with little puppies.

1000
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 3: To lighten her mood and such.

1001
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 4: With this example number one right here, the elite getting

1002
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: a better deal. Yet our brothers and sisters are serving

1003
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: across the world and this jerk gets to sit behind

1004
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 4: bars and get to hang out with puppies. It's unbelievable

1005
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: to me.

1006
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean especially I mean, listen the juxtaposition. Last night,

1007
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: we were talking about the Alabama Solution, the documentary that

1008
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: exposes the I don't know, degradation humanity, et cetera, that

1009
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 2: goes on in our private and public prisons, many of them.

1010
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: But there's that versus private workout times. And also she

1011
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: had Maxwell would bypass according to Jenshaw standard procedures in

1012
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: terms of having to schedule legal calls. Shaw said that

1013
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: there's a process you go through, but Gilaine Maxwell does

1014
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: not have to did not have to go through that.

1015
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: And I feel like that is buttressed by another report.

1016
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: This was months ago, am I remembering correctly that the

1017
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: warden was in some capacity involved in like copying legal memos.

1018
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: She had a specialized help afforded to her via the warden.

1019
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: The warden who's supposed to keep the other prisoners safe,

1020
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: who now have to hang out with a sex predator.

1021
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 4: You know, remember Elizabeth Holmes, these are fraud cases, not

1022
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 4: to undermine what the fraud was and how serious it was,

1023
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: but we're talking about sexual abuse. This this is a

1024
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 4: different level of conduct, right it is. It is not

1025
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 4: customary for white collar criminals and criminal defendants that are

1026
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: sex offenders to be housed in the same unit.

1027
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: One is federal and the other is not.

1028
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 4: The fact that that is happening requires more attention, Like

1029
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 4: we're all just kind of.

1030
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: Like, well, I guess that just happened. No, no, no, it's

1031
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: not how it's supposed to happen.

1032
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 6: We need somebody, somebody from Congress or you know, like

1033
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 6: an oversight like investigation, because they just investigate themselves, right,

1034
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 6: these prisons, they just investigate themselves like internal investigation.

1035
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to look into it now.

1036
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 6: It needs to be like an oversight looking into this

1037
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 6: because this is like absurd if true, absurd?

1038
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 3: Enough is enough?

1039
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And just one more things, since we've never spoken

1040
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: about her on the show, don't think Elizabeth Holmes, who

1041
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: you know, we just talked about a lot of her

1042
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: ills she If anyone's interested in finding out more about her,

1043
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: there's a book Bad Blood, Secrets and Lies in a

1044
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley startup, and honestly, it's it is a compelling

1045
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: it's like a mystery.

1046
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: Have you are you familiar with their body?

1047
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 6: I'm not familiar with the book, but I saw her documentary.

1048
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 6: I saw the documentary. I can't remember it, but I haven't. Okay,

1049
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 6: I think it's very good.

1050
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 3: I think it was on hum. It was very good.

1051
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: That's all I know.

1052
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: Amanda plays her in a scripted version too. Oh really, yeah,

1053
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 4: I love her. I'm almost positive. Okay, Okay, I'll go on.

1054
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 4: I will bet a dollars the documentary.

1055
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I will have to look into that because it's

1056
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: what Elizabeth Holmes did and the and just the lies

1057
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: that and the data to you know, talk about no science,

1058
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: that's real science being presented anyway, She's just another one

1059
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: we should look into it.

1060
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 3: At another time, I found that keeps going off.

1061
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 4: Apologies, I'm trying to read something and it gets up

1062
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 4: so loud. There was a new report from the Epstein

1063
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 4: survivors regarding Pam Bondi's firing. Oh I read it, but

1064
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: every time I open it it makes that crazy noise.

1065
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. So I'll have to do that during the

1066
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: break and figure that out. So I apologize.

1067
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 4: It's coming in like breaking news from around the world.

1068
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: But guesses they're not happy with Pam. They feel as

1069
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 4: though Pam Bondy really left them high and dry and

1070
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 4: mishandled them as women and as survivors.

1071
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 6: I think it's by design. I think it's all meant.

1072
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 6: I think that there's a world in which we live

1073
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 6: in and which it was by design. It was meant

1074
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: to be this way. It was meant to be a clusters,

1075
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 6: you know, and blamed on incompetency, right because now that

1076
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 6: the government can be like, oh, well we just had

1077
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 6: a terrible attorney general.

1078
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't handled properly. Move on.

1079
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 4: M I mean, in reality, I think the complaint is

1080
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 4: that she was not hunting on his behalf quite enough. Right,

1081
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, here is Pam Bondy, maybe not fulfilling what

1082
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 4: she's been told. The obligation is to right the wrongs

1083
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 4: of yesteryear. Right, We're talking a lot about Pam Bondy

1084
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 4: kind of being on a witch hunt on behalf of

1085
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 4: her boss, which apparently she didn't do enough.

1086
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, she's not off the hook for testifying yet, no,

1087
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: of course not.

1088
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 3: I mean really isn't.

1089
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 6: If former you know, presidents and first ladies and senators

1090
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 6: and you know whatnot can and secretaries of state can testify,

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Speaker 6: there's no reason that the former attorney general can right.

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Speaker 4: Exact right exactly, If Hillary Clinton can testify and Bill

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Speaker 4: Clinton can testify, certainly Pam Bondy, who has all the information,

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Speaker 4: where's cash Barttel they should be testifying. And I think

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Speaker 4: Pam Bondy has a unique opportunity here after what it

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Speaker 4: seems like a very bad day to be in the

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Speaker 4: business of Pam Bondy, she has a unique opportunity to

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Speaker 4: do the right thing and maybe to come forward and

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Speaker 4: share what she knows on behalf of the many women

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Speaker 4: who are desperate for support in for justice. She can

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Speaker 4: either put her head in the sand and take another hit,

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Speaker 4: or she can stand up and do the right thing.

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Speaker 3: And I am actually going to hope on that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I appreciate the faith she can still

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Speaker 3: turn this around.

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Speaker 4: By the way, like this is you know, for me

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Speaker 4: to say that is a lot because I've been really

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Speaker 4: surprised by the indignance of a woman being able to

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Speaker 4: do that to another woman, let alone a.

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Speaker 3: Thousand of them.

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Speaker 4: We have to assume it this was orders from above, right,

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Speaker 4: and you know there is a chain of command. However,

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Speaker 4: it seems like that chain has been broken and maybe

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Speaker 4: now she can do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: So Robert Garcia, he said he's a he's a ranking member,

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Speaker 2: and he said Bondie will not escape accountability. She remains

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Speaker 2: legally obligated to appear before our committee under oath.

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Speaker 3: That was said today. Oho, h.

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Speaker 6: Do we know when that's happening, So you don't think

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Speaker 6: a date has been said? I don't think not to

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Speaker 6: my knowledge. We will definitely be staying tuned for that

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Speaker 6: because that's going to be an exciting date if and

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Speaker 6: when it does happen. Coming up, content creator and analyst

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Speaker 6: Tony Finally Tony Stephanie Tony from files Watch.

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Speaker 3: He's joining us.

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Speaker 6: He's going to be walking us through some of the

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Speaker 6: Epstein files and what he's uncovered is quite shocking. And

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Speaker 6: keep it right here, True friend Tonight.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 4: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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Speaker 4: Courtney Armstrong and body move in. And we're very excited

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Speaker 4: because we have Tony at files.

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Speaker 3: Watch.

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Speaker 4: So Tony's on social media. He's somebody that I follow

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Speaker 4: because he's been doing.

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Speaker 3: At files, watch little bits and pieces of Epstein files.

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: He'll go through a few and then digest them and

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01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: then the next day continues to do this under the

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: guys that he's going to continue to do this until

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Speaker 3: there is accountability. And every time I see him, I

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: think I'm going to do the same thing three at

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 3: a time, four at a time. And then it was like, well,

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Speaker 3: Tony's doing it.

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Speaker 4: Let's have Tony on and then you know he can

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 4: kind of give us what his take on the Epstein

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Speaker 4: files are. Because Tony, it's very emotional for me. It

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Speaker 4: gets me all flustered. So we're so glad that you're here.

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Speaker 4: So let's get into it. Let's start at the very beginning.

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Speaker 4: How did you start in this process.

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Speaker 10: So originally the thought process just came from those like

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01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 10: once a day tiktoks. You see those trends that go

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01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 10: around where it's doing something once a day until something happens.

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01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 10: My mind goes to that one guy who's dancing every

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 10: day until he gets a girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 10: Kind of the vibe that I went for, but more

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 10: seriou tone. But it was right after the Cash Fetel

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01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 10: Pam Bondi hearings, and I was just angry. So I

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Speaker 10: just decided to go out and start reading stuff.

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Speaker 2: I just I want to applaud you for taking you

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01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 2: said I was just angry, and then you chose to

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Speaker 2: do something so productive. And I have to say, I'm

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Speaker 2: not as avid a social media reader as Stephanie. Stephanie

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Speaker 2: talks about you all the time. She's like all the time,

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Speaker 2: come on.

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Speaker 6: I feel like I know you, Tony, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: Files watched, yeah you know, and yeah, and you just

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Speaker 2: go through everything methodically and giving context to some of them,

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Speaker 2: which is really really great. What sort of your process

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Speaker 2: as you go through the files.

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Speaker 10: So at first I had already been just sifting through

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Speaker 10: the files. I'd been going through doing the normal looking

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Speaker 10: up my favorite celebrity in the file to see I

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Speaker 10: can find anything. But as I started looking through more,

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Speaker 10: there's a lot more words that overlap. There's formatting errors

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Speaker 10: that you can actually look up that lead you to

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Speaker 10: email chains a little bit easier instead of it just

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01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 10: being a flood of Jeffrey Epstein and his friends sending

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Speaker 10: news articles to each other exactly because.

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Speaker 3: There is a lot of that for sure.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they really liked even just like movie reviews, they

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01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 10: like that as well. It was so weird.

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Speaker 4: For a while, I thought that was code is there

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Speaker 4: is there something specific that stood out to you in

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Speaker 4: your findings so far that are particularly harrowing or outrageous

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Speaker 4: or or what's your takeaway?

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Speaker 10: So the most shocking thing that I saw so far

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Speaker 10: for my mental well being was there's a photo that's

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Speaker 10: put into pretty well description, I mean a pretty gross

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Speaker 10: description of a little girl who's being touched and being

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Speaker 10: essentially it's actually assaulted and being taken pictures of. That

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Speaker 10: was a reading that I did just recently, But that

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Speaker 10: was the most shocking thing. It was I believe it

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Speaker 10: said five Caucasian males around this one little girl.

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Speaker 3: But why are people not losing their minds?

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Speaker 4: Do you think over this. Is it just that word

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Speaker 4: like desensitized? Possibly, but I think about it's like this

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Speaker 4: is right in front of us, it's really right in

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Speaker 4: front of us.

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Speaker 6: I think people are enraged. I do, I do.

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Speaker 12: I do.

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Speaker 6: I think people are outraged. I think that many people.

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Speaker 6: It's I don't think we're desensitized. I think we're overwhelmed.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 6: And I feel at some point, I know I have

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Speaker 6: you kind of shut a little bit, and I think

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Speaker 6: that's maybe what's happening. It's it's too much, it's too overwhelming,

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Speaker 6: and you know, I think a lot of people, including myself,

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Speaker 6: it's like nothing's going to happen to these people, and

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Speaker 6: confronting that is difficult and painful, and I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of people just don't want to confront that. That's

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Speaker 6: what I mean, that's just my d is really well said.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. I genuinely think that it's

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Speaker 10: a lot of shock that people are going through. It's

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01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 10: that just so much is being sent out there. There's

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Speaker 10: your friends, your mother, your father are sending you stuff,

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Speaker 10: all this horrible information antony.

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Speaker 6: That's why I think what you're doing is so good,

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 6: because you're doing it in bite sized pieces.

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Speaker 3: They're digestible. It's a minute.

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Speaker 6: Long or less, sometimes sometimes longer, and it's digestible, and

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Speaker 6: it's brief enough that you're not sitting there for two

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Speaker 6: hours or you know whatnot getting just overwhelmed. So I

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Speaker 6: think what you're doing is really important. I applaud you

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Speaker 6: for it, and I hope you keep going. How do

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Speaker 6: you determine what files to highlight?

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Speaker 10: So again there's this balance between what I started with

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Speaker 10: and what's happening now. What I started with was stuff

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Speaker 10: that made me personally angry, the files where children were

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Speaker 10: calling NTOC and just being ignored, people going to their attorneys,

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01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 10: sending emails and litigation and just getting ignored, stuff like that.

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Speaker 10: But as of recently, I've been getting a lot of

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Speaker 10: the files from followers that they want me to highlight,

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Speaker 10: Like there was one about the Afghany children that we're

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Speaker 10: being basically hunted out in the Middle East but.

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Speaker 4: For gaming purpose potentially, Like that's also right out of

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Speaker 4: the yeah, allegedly allegedly allegedly think about that though we've

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Speaker 4: seen the movies of hunting humans.

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Speaker 3: Is that possible?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, again, it's that's all These things are just so outrageous.

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01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 10: They keep on stacking on top of each other. It's

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Speaker 10: like it doesn't feel real at a certain point. But

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Speaker 10: that's like what we were talking about before. It's getting

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Speaker 10: over that shock and realizing that this happens. This is

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Speaker 10: something that happens in this world. And that's what I

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Speaker 10: like to sho even showing it just a bit of

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Speaker 10: a time, like there's moments in time that happened all

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Speaker 10: around the world, and it's happening right under our notes.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, it's maybe gonna happen less because

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Speaker 4: either victims themselves are going to recognize some of these

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Speaker 4: stories that are coming out, and you know, it's like

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Speaker 4: a gut check, and also because of like the work

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Speaker 4: you're doing on a daily basis. Again, it's keeping the

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Speaker 4: momentum going. I don't know that people can get away

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Speaker 4: with this much longer. It seems like this has been

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Speaker 4: going on under everyone's nose, and that means we've all

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Speaker 4: been misguided together, which means that we're all together on

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Speaker 4: this and we can actually fight the system here, like

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Speaker 4: justice can be done. It's not us versus them, it's

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Speaker 4: all of us. And then we should all look up

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Speaker 4: because there's a class above us that's calling all the

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Speaker 4: shots and that are ignoring these pries for help from

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Speaker 4: thousands of young boys and girls. Don't forget there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of boys in the files too, oh for sure,

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Speaker 4: and a thousand young girls that are in women that

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Speaker 4: are not getting their their moment.

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Speaker 3: They were begging for help along the way. It's in

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Speaker 3: the files, and now as of today they're like, well,

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Speaker 3: let's just put that behind us. Oh okay, great idea.

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Speaker 6: Is there any files that that you've come across that

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Speaker 6: you feel aren't getting enough media attention that we should

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Speaker 6: be talking about.

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Speaker 10: The one for of course, that I was talking about

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Speaker 10: where it's describing the unredacted photo that's not getting enough

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Speaker 10: media attention. Genuine that's a actually, let me just pull

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Speaker 10: it up and get a good summary of that.

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Speaker 2: While Tony's doing this, listen, if anyone is just joining

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Speaker 2: us right now, this is true crime tonight, and we

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: are thrilled to be joined Tony, who many know as

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Speaker 2: at files watch on Instagram and TikTok. And what Tony

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Speaker 2: does is he has a series and he reads through

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files methodically choosing important ones to share in

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Speaker 2: really digestible pieces.

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Speaker 3: Every day, So Tony, we're all ears, all right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So this is actually an email sent to Audrey Strauss,

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Speaker 10: a US attorney from the Southern District of New York.

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Speaker 10: It's a full nine page email going over information from

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Speaker 10: this attorney's client detailing her alleged sexual abuse done by

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Speaker 10: countless people. Jeffrey Epstein, for one, is right there, doctor Silberg.

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Speaker 10: I can't actually find the first name of him, but

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Speaker 10: I believe that's Mike Silberg.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's a.

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Speaker 6: Good idea to give us the file name so people

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Speaker 6: can go look for it, like et or e f

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Speaker 6: t A whatever.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be e f t A

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Speaker 10: zero zero zero seven eight one nine eight.

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Speaker 6: Zero zero zero seven eight one eight. I'm writing it down,

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Speaker 6: so yes, okay et TA zero zero zero seven eight

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Speaker 6: one nine.

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Speaker 10: Eight yep, all right, that's all that's all detailed right

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Speaker 10: there in that nine page message there, And.

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Speaker 6: It's an email from a lawyer of a victim detailing

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Speaker 6: all the allegations and proof of them regarding an earlier

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Speaker 6: case against Epstein.

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Speaker 3: I just want to.

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Speaker 6: Repeat that, yes, okay, Yeah, So everybody said, we'll look

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 6: at that one and follow Tony on at files watch

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01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 6: on TikTok or Instagram.

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Speaker 4: And if you have any other files or anything that

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01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 4: you're noticing yourselves while going through the files, please like

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 4: join the convo with us, share that information, just so

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 4: we can all help each other, just that Tony is

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01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 4: doing to kind of create our own little web of information.

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01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 4: Think about you know, how we track other cases and

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 4: we do our boards corkboards and connect all the dots.

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,919
Speaker 4: You know, this kind of requires the same level of attention.

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01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 4: And frankly, the Department of Justice is just not connecting

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01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 4: any of these dots for us. They're just trying to

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 4: make it go away, which is unbelievable to me. And

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 4: I know that's not the case, and I believe that

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01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 4: that will change. But in this moment, I think it's

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01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 4: up to us, and you know, great ones like Tony

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 4: who are going to keep the keep the fight alive

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Speaker 4: on behalf of all of the victims.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, thank you again. My main reason for doing

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01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 10: this is to just spread awareness as many ears as

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 10: I can get on the situation. That's like perfect. I

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 10: did not expect to get as big as I did

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Speaker 10: as quickly, of course, and I'm more than happy that

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01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 10: I did. Gain The following that I do have now,

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 10: and I just hope that there's some snowball effect there.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll aspire others to do the same thing and

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Speaker 3: help you, right.

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Speaker 2: And I think this speaks to the fact that so

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Speaker 2: many people have kind of so quickly been attracted to

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: what you do is because again it's digestible, and people

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: know there's information in these files, but it's so hard

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 2: to be for it to be pulled out. I mean mean,

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01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: even armies of journalists have said it's a near it's

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Speaker 2: not an impossibility, but.

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Speaker 3: It's really, really, really hard.

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: And you are doing a really hard thing a little

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01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: bit at a time in a way that people can

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Speaker 2: relate to, which is you know, La.

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Speaker 6: And you say you're going to do this every day

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Speaker 6: until there's a major indictment.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Now, when you say major indictment, do you mean here

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Speaker 6: in the United States.

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Speaker 10: I mean here in the United States?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I yes, because there have been some arrests and

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Speaker 6: whatnot in other places, but nothing here in the United States.

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Speaker 10: Of course. Yeah, with Prince Andrew and right.

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Speaker 6: Like yeah, but those are all tied to different things,

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Speaker 6: though those aren't necessarily tied to the sex and sexual

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 6: abuse of victims that they're fraud and you know, trading

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Speaker 6: state secrets and banking issues.

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Speaker 10: Right, they couldn't get them on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what they could get them on.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 6: Do you foresee an indictment anytime soon?

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Speaker 10: Anytimes?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 10: Not really?

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 10: I wish I didn't have to say that, But really

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's going to be I.

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Speaker 6: Don't either, And I don't have any faith that even

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Speaker 6: not just this administration, but even the next one and

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Speaker 6: the one after that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be decades. Move in, take

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Speaker 3: it back.

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Speaker 4: Are you listen? We cannot lose faith here. Chance we

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01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 4: are going to have there is I have faith. I

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Speaker 4: have file to watch, Tony, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 10: Being yeah, absolutely for having me so much. It was

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Speaker 10: wonderful being here.

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.

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01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: And one more time, Tony's at file Watch on Instagram

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01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: and TikTok and you can find all the information a

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01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: little bit at a time every day. Keep it here.

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Speaker 4: To Crime Tonight, Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 4: We're talking true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker

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Speaker 4: here with Courtney Armstrong and Body movin.

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Speaker 3: Body. Should we go to some talkbacks or what would

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Speaker 3: you like to do.

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Speaker 6: First, Well, we just got some news. Brian Entton Brian

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01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 6: Enton from News Nation. He spoke with a source at

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Speaker 6: the Pima kind of sheriff's office, under the condition of,

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01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 6: you know, being anonymous to protect their identity and all that.

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Speaker 6: The insider said that the sheriff's professionals investigating the case

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Speaker 6: tell me that there is no direct suspect right now.

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Speaker 6: There's no name on the table. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 6: I mean we all kind of suspected that, right, but

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Speaker 6: even internally, like sometimes you think, well, they're just not

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 6: telling us, right because they got to keep the investigation

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Speaker 6: close to their chest, and you don't want to tip

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 6: off a suspect because you know, if you're.

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Speaker 3: Looking at them.

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Speaker 6: But apparently even internally, even in internal workings, they don't

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 6: have a suspect. And and apparently investigators initially before they got

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01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 6: the camera footage, I think, believe that she wandered off

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Speaker 6: on her own, even with all that blood on the

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Speaker 6: front porch.

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Speaker 4: Even with all that blood, she just woke up out

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01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 4: of her sleep and her pajamas and just started roaming

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Speaker 4: around at two o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 3: It's this is kind of absurd by the way, the interview.

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Speaker 4: I love Brian Innton, we know this, we respect his

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01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 4: work so so much, but it was it's such it's

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01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,839
Speaker 4: a little random, like they're interviewing somebody with a disguised voice,

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01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 4: which is you have to listen. When you hear the interview,

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01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 4: you'll know what I mean. And I always I say

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01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 4: this almost with the giggles. I haven't seen it absurd

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Speaker 4: Lee like Grobb you know, they and they basically say

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01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: you can barely understand them, and they basically say nothing. Yeah,

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 4: this was the local police department. They jumped into a

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01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 4: murder investigation. It was a homicide investigation that was wildly

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01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 4: high profile. The president of the un it stays. Cash Patel,

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01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 4: the head of our FBI, is weighing in saying that

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Speaker 4: there was going to be some new findings very quickly.

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Speaker 3: We had nest footage. How was there only this little

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01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 3: like submidgen little bit of footage.

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Speaker 4: That somehow Cash Patel was able to pull off the

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Speaker 4: end of the air, you know, it was like double air.

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 3: They had a special term for it. It was just that

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01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 3: little moment. Is there nothing else possible? There might be

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01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,599
Speaker 3: we don't know about that. According to this man that's

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01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 3: undercover talking to Brian Enton. There's nothing.

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Speaker 6: Oh really, see you was just like I'm reading.

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Speaker 9: Oh.

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Speaker 4: He basically says that in this interview it's somebody from

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01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 4: the inside, allegedly of the Pima County Police Department, and

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01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 4: they're saying, you know, they were in over their heads

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 4: and it is a mess. Oh wow, Okay, I don't

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01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 4: know that you need to be a psychic to get that,

1439
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 4: but yeah, this happens. This really happens. Which is why

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01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 4: the FBI was added to it. This is why it

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01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 4: became a foot investigation. This is why America was looking

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01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 4: and we were all being urged to hand in tips

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 4: and raise the reward. I feel like this was botch

1444
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 4: at a very real level. It almost feels suspicious to me.

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I'm as soon as we're done here, I'm

1446
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 6: gonna go watch it because I haven't seen it. I

1447
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 6: just got like the alert on my phone that the

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01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 6: article was available to read, and during the commercial I

1449
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 6: was reading it, I was like, Oh, they officially have

1450
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 6: no suspect. You know, usually you think that they're looking

1451
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 6: at someone, right, they have like a maybe a blood type,

1452
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 6: and they've narrowed it to like this group of people

1453
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 6: or you know something, but why not share?

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01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 4: There was all this information, we all had to have

1455
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 4: all of the details that they had thus far. Yet

1456
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 4: when Savannah herself, poor Savannah Guthrie, who's just desperate to

1457
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: find her mother, alongside of her brother and sister, they

1458
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 4: just are desperate for answers. Why didn't we know that

1459
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,679
Speaker 4: there was a backdoor issue. Why wasn't that a piece

1460
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 4: of the information that was released to the press. Why

1461
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 4: were we seeing the the thessilent allegedly be.

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 6: An investigation detail that the cops just don't want anybody

1463
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 6: to know. It's like the shoe, the shoeprint in the

1464
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 6: night stalker case. It's it's something that only the person

1465
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 6: that did it would know and something that the police

1466
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 6: just thought that it was something that the public didn't

1467
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 6: need to know. And it's true, we don't need to

1468
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 6: know that, I mean, we don't well, we do all

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Speaker 6: of our help.

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Speaker 4: Though at the same time, it was like a double

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01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 4: edged sword here because we've always been told that, oh,

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Speaker 4: we don't want to have too many tips because that

1473
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 4: can be confusing and that can really back up a

1474
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: call log at the department. By the way, that's extremely true,

1475
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Speaker 4: and we hear that quite.

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Speaker 3: A bit with law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: Rewards can also cause people to just call nonsense in

1478
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 4: and imagine you have to have a police officer looking

1479
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 4: into the nonsense and there's only.

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01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,799
Speaker 3: A look at every sea officers, right, There's.

1481
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 4: Only so much manpower, So anything that's a waste of

1482
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 4: time is a problem because every second counts. So there

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01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 4: we're asking for a reward, We're asking for the nation's help.

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01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 4: I'm sure they got backlogged.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 4: Something here just feels like, how do we not have

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01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,679
Speaker 4: more manpower? How was the Prima Police Department being left

1488
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 4: to sort of pick up the pieces here?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just them.

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Speaker 4: Right, They're all investigating Nancy guthrie disappearance. Frankly, yeah, no,

1491
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 4: you're right. Even us here at True Crime tonight, we

1492
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 4: were investigating it. We're trying to find answers, watching for

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01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 4: anything in everyone.

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01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: You know, we all wanted, we all want Nancy back

1495
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: home safe.

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely cases go unsolved, not to say that will be

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 2: the end result of this.

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01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 6: There are so many missing people in the United States

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01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 6: of America, so many children that have been missing for years,

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Speaker 6: And now.

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Speaker 4: Why did they say there was going to be some movement.

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01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 4: Do you remember when President Trump was on Air Force

1503
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 4: one and he had specifically said to a report or that, yeah,

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01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 4: there's some encouraging information about to pop off.

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01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 3: Like that was like there.

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01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,440
Speaker 4: Was something ending, it was going to be big and important.

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01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 4: Why would anybody say that and give false hope. There

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01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 4: had to have been something or there had to have

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01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 4: been some high level I'm going to refrain an investigation.

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01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 4: There had to have been some high level investigation or

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01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 4: big minds at it for that level of a person,

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 4: whether it's the president or the head of the FBI

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01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,919
Speaker 4: weighing in on Nancy Guthrie's case, you would.

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01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 11: Think maybe there's a world where there were some leads

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01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 11: at that time when he said that and they fell flat.

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Speaker 3: So yes, or.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they they thought the glove at the time with

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 6: the DNA and the glove.

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01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 4: Started doing glove, We're like the glove is just like, oh,

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Speaker 4: there's this spread glove out of nowhere, just like it's

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01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 4: almost like pretend.

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01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: It's not pretend obviously, but you know.

1523
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 4: The weird glove just like appeared on a shrub, you know,

1524
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 4: walking distance from Nancy's you know, back door. You know,

1525
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 4: the video footage that was so telling, was also kind

1526
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 4: of strange because she didn't even have a nest or

1527
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 4: and like rampage their house and like trash their home,

1528
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 4: and you know, that was awful.

1529
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 3: And it's just a big goose egg.

1530
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 4: And Savannah's just picking up the pieces and coming back

1531
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 4: to work on a week.

1532
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: Why it works on this week, right on Monday, but

1533
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: Monday to.

1534
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,560
Speaker 4: Get the publicity out there. If I were her, I

1535
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 4: would want to be screaming from the rooftops live every

1536
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 4: day till the end of days because she wants answers.

1537
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 3: M H, I don't know. We'll keep so. Yeah, that

1538
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 3: was the update.

1539
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 6: There is no suspect even internally, which is disappointing.

1540
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 3: But that's the update. And Nancy got three.

1541
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 6: But I guess we got some talkbacks too, right, we do?

1542
01:25:59,040 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: Let's do it?

1543
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 5: Hey, friends, Jada from South Carolina. Listen, y'all are talking

1544
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 5: to Jared and you're talking about his book, and y'all

1545
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 5: talked about it every time.

1546
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 8: I know.

1547
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 5: However, I am a very big reader. I read every

1548
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 5: day and I don't like audio books. But if Jared

1549
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 5: can read me his books, that would be great, because

1550
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 5: just like Joseph Scott Morgan.

1551
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 3: Their voices intrigue me. I love that, but I intrigue

1552
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 3: that is intriguing. Jared does.

1553
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 12: Everyone.

1554
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, we have some hot voices up in here,

1555
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 4: and Jared and Joseph both have great ones.

1556
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 3: Sam Adam you as well. But I'll take the compliments

1557
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 3: that I don't agree.

1558
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 11: But Jared's is it's so soothing and it's just a

1559
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 11: you know, it's just the way he delivers.

1560
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 3: It's a yes, did you we?

1561
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 6: He was on last night and he told us that,

1562
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 6: you know, he's talking about his book and we were

1563
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 6: talking about like the motivation for it, and he was

1564
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 6: talking about his mom and do you guys, do you

1565
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 6: did you know that he calls his mom the boss.

1566
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 6: The boss is like, if she's because she's in Florida

1567
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 6: right now, and I think she's coming back home today.

1568
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:18,560
Speaker 6: And he said him and his brother were all the

1569
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:19,879
Speaker 6: boss is coming home tomorrow.

1570
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 3: Oh that's so cute.

1571
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 4: Single mom raising four boys, that's right. I mean, after

1572
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 4: the loss of her husband to continue to raise four boys.

1573
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 4: I mean, it's extraordinary stuff.

1574
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 6: M My grandma, my my, my dad's dad died in

1575
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 6: World War Two. He was in Pearl Harbor. He survived

1576
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 6: p Harbor, but oh wow, he died later. And my

1577
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 6: grandma had three boys. My dad was five and then

1578
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 6: so seven, five and two, and he raised all those boys. Yeah,

1579
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 6: a little yep, little snippet all.

1580
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 3: Of these boys.

1581
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 6: But anyway, yes we will, but you know, listen, maybe

1582
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 6: we maybe we can work something out where Jarrett reads

1583
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 6: a couple lines from his book.

1584
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of lines from It'll be like how

1585
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 3: they would they would come out serially.

1586
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, maybe we can arrange that.

1587
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 11: We can do that, and we'll be back on Wednesday,

1588
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 11: so you'll hear his voice then and maybe a little

1589
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 11: snippet of the book.

1590
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 6: So, yes, listen, if you want to leave a talkback

1591
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 6: for Jarrett, he will be back on next week. Give

1592
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 6: us a little download on the iHeartRadio app and click

1593
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 6: the little microphone and leave us a talk back. It

1594
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 6: will play it on the show for Jarrett. You know,

1595
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 6: any legal questions or maybe you want him to say

1596
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 6: something specific. I'm sure, I'm sure he would be happy

1597
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 6: to oblige. Do we have do we have time for

1598
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 6: another one?

1599
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 2: Ay?

1600
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 12: True grime Tonight is Ashley from Florida and this is

1601
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 12: something that's seen related and I don't know if you

1602
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 12: guys have seen on social media the guy I named

1603
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 12: Palm Beach Pete. Oh yeah, really really really raising a

1604
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 12: lot of brick flags on especially TikTok. I don't know

1605
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 12: if you've heard of it anyways, thinks, oh, I've.

1606
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 3: Been following it.

1607
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, they he has on Yeah, yeah, So Palm Beach

1608
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 4: Pete looks identical to Epstein and he was driving in

1609
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 4: Palm Beach and his convertible and somebody caught him on

1610
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 4: camera saying, oh my goodness, Epstein's alive. He's alive, and well,

1611
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 4: here he is in Palm Beach. Well, it turns out

1612
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 4: it's Palm Beach Pete, who claims to be a look

1613
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 4: alike of Epstein, and that's gotten tons of attention, and

1614
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 4: he was, of course on TMZ and you know it's

1615
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 4: he's not Epstein, but has both enjoyed and hated all

1616
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 4: of the worldwide attention he's been getting. And then other

1617
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorists Adam, maybe you Pete, you know he's a psyops,

1618
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 4: that Palm Beach Pete is just another syops, which we're

1619
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 4: learning is just another distraction and plain sight and that

1620
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 4: there's more to it because Epstein will pop up, but

1621
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 4: then we're all going to think, oh, that's just another

1622
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 4: example of Palm Beach types.

1623
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 9: Wasn't there like uh he Palm Beach p He like

1624
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 9: did some video and he was talking about he was

1625
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 9: like at a party and like Epstein.

1626
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 3: Was there with Epstein, Yes, exactly. It's it's just too much.

1627
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 3: It's too much attention for this guy.

1628
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1629
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 6: I think he played it up a little bit at

1630
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 6: the beginning, right, and then once the attention really got

1631
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:36,560
Speaker 6: on him, it was like, well, wait a minute, this

1632
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 6: is I know I asked for this, but it's a

1633
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 6: little bit no I know, but he's it was still

1634
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 6: attention Like sometimes people, you know, they it doesn't matter

1635
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 6: if it bad attention or good attention.

1636
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 9: Attention is attention. Yeah, it's just some guy kicking it

1637
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 9: in Palm Beach. And now he's like viral and he's

1638
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 9: on Jimmy Kimmel and he's Kimmel.

1639
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 3: He was, Yeah, he really was.

1640
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 6: There's something with him with the gaming account at him

1641
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 6: or am I thinking of something else?

1642
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 3: The Epstein Fortnite thing.

1643
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, wasn't it tied to him?

1644
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 3: I don't know about this.

1645
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I know.

1646
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 2: What's your referencing and bottom line or turn out to

1647
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 2: be completely a hoax that Yeahsin is not.

1648
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 5: No. I thought that.

1649
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 6: I thought that that Fortnite account was tied to Palm

1650
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 6: Beach Pize somehow. M that's maybe I'm wrong.

1651
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 11: This has nothing to do with the photo that people

1652
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,679
Speaker 11: thought that they saw no Epstein.

1653
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 4: Okay, yah, there's all these photographs of people that are

1654
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 4: Epstein look alikes, whether they're walking in Europe or in

1655
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 4: Tel Aviv or wherever.

1656
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 3: And frankly Delaine evenin.

1657
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, like many say that Gilaye is no longer. I

1658
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 4: guess we should ask jen Shaw. According to jen Shaw,

1659
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 4: Gilain is there. At least you know, they cloned her

1660
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 4: and dipped her out the back. She's like living her

1661
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 4: best life someplace fabulous, because that's also been alluded to

1662
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 4: on the chatterboards. But again it's like, I do think

1663
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 4: that Tony, who you know, thank you again Tony for

1664
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 4: being here with us. I do think, you know, there's

1665
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,480
Speaker 4: so many great men that are really kind of scratching

1666
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 4: at this on all of our behalfs, and he's just

1667
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 4: one of very very many, and I think we're just

1668
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 4: getting our bearings, which is why I think there's this

1669
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 4: sensitivity and all these people getting fired and change is being.

1670
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 3: Made because you know what they're like, Actually, kabash that I.

1671
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 4: Think that is just the idea that somebody is coming

1672
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 4: out today saying, oh, you know what, we want to

1673
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 4: move past this.

1674
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 3: That's my decision today.

1675
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 4: That is an indication that we are close and that

1676
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 4: it is getting hot up in the kitchen. How cute

1677
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 4: is Courtney's hair right now, speaking of I know it.

1678
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 6: She's got like this little bang, so curious. But she

1679
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 6: took the eggs so good.

1680
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened is I took the eggs out of

1681
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 2: my hair. I didn't want to meet Tony with, you know,

1682
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: Easter eggs in my hair, so I do and here

1683
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: we are.

1684
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 3: But then it looks good. Your bang looks cute. How

1685
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 3: it's framing your face so cute. It does looks very cute.

1686
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 3: Thank well. Listen, we have you know, big day on Sunday.

1687
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 3: We're going to be an Easter Sunday.

1688
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 4: We have air in Harness and Amanda Knox and also

1689
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 4: it's you know, the holidays everybody, So again, we hope

1690
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 4: you have a beautiful passover or Easter or whatever it is.

1691
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 3: Your celebrating or not celebrating, totally okay too. We love you,

1692
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 3: have a great couple of days, and we will be

1693
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 3: back on Sunday.