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Speaker 1: Team forty seven with Clay and Buck starts now.

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Speaker 2: Hot off the presses, so to speak, clips of President

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Speaker 2: Trump from the Oval Office addressing some of the most

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Speaker 2: important news of the day. Let's start with the huge announcement.

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Speaker 2: Probably some people are saying the biggest announcement of all announcements.

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Speaker 2: We don't yet know much other than well, here's the

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Speaker 2: President saying it. Listen to him.

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Speaker 3: We'll have maybe before we want to as you know,

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Speaker 3: the released in Saudi Arabia. We're going to Yuei and Qatar,

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Speaker 3: and that'll be I guess Monday night. Some of you

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Speaker 3: are coming with us. I think before then, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: have a.

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Speaker 4: Very very big announcement to make, like as big as

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Speaker 4: it gets. And I won't tell you on what, but

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be and it's very positive. And also I

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Speaker 4: tell you if it was negative a positive, we can't

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Speaker 4: keep that.

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Speaker 3: It is really really positive.

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Speaker 4: And that announcement will be made either Thursday or Friday

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Speaker 4: or Monday before we leave, but it'll be one of

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Speaker 4: the most important announcements that have been made in many years.

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Speaker 4: About a certain subject, very important subject, so you'll all

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Speaker 4: be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's got to be the Abraham Accords with

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia coming on board.

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Speaker 2: Yes, does that make sense to see? That makes the

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Speaker 2: most sense to me too. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: breakthrough with Iran. We would have gotten some whispers about

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Speaker 2: So I think that Saudi. It might be in agreement

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Speaker 2: with Saudi that is an extension of the Abraham Accords

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Speaker 2: and also a commitment from Saudi to invest you know,

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Speaker 2: a trillion dollars in the US over the next twenty

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Speaker 2: years or something, I don't know whatever, trillion dollars a

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Speaker 2: lot of money, not so much to Saudi. I feel

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Speaker 2: like they'll pay that for a soccer team these days.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that's something that I think is a

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Speaker 2: likely possibility. I would love to think that it would be,

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Speaker 2: you know, turning all the hostages from israel I from

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Speaker 2: a Hamas to Israel. But I think that that is

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Speaker 2: now going into a different phase of the Israelis are

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Speaker 2: doing the final push in that operation as they well should,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to change some dynamics in the Middle

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Speaker 1: I also think it has to be someone that you

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Speaker 1: that deal is going to be able to be announced.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like Iran is constantly shifting. They

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Speaker 1: may say something on Wednesday that's different than what they

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Speaker 1: you can't rely on anything related to what they might

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Speaker 1: that you could rely on being reasonable. I don't think

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Speaker 1: something like this. So that's why I think the idea

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Speaker 1: of the Abraham Accords being expanded, which is hugely important

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Speaker 1: long range in the Middle East. By the way, this

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Speaker 1: India has basically agreed to zero tariffs on American products

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Speaker 1: inside of their country. That could be utterly transformative in

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Speaker 1: the decades ahead, because India is now the biggest country

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Speaker 2: And this, then, I think, is a good moment for

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Speaker 2: us to take a look at what is being said

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Speaker 2: now from some very infant, very astute places about the

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Speaker 2: Trump tariffs conversation. Glenn Youngkin one of the I would

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Speaker 2: say top five, maybe top ten, top five governors in

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Speaker 2: the CEO of the Carlisle Group, which is one of

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Speaker 2: who also understands private industry saying that, well, I'll let

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Speaker 2: you hear it from him. This has cut three.

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Speaker 5: I expect that long term we will have an accelerated

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Speaker 5: growth and I'm very optimistic. I think in the near term,

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Speaker 5: as the President resets these imbalanced trade relationships and restores

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Speaker 5: fiscal responsibility into Washington we're going to see this location.

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Speaker 5: It's just a reality. But what I do firmly expect

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Speaker 5: I expect job growth to accelerate.

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Speaker 2: I think you're already beginning to see some of that.

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Speaker 2: The jobs numbers. This is Scott Besson. This has cut

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Speaker 2: one in the first one hundred days. You need to

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Speaker 2: hear about these jobs. Remember, it's not all government, you know,

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Speaker 2: jobs in the actual economy. This is from the Treasury

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Speaker 6: The core components of the Trump economic agenda are trade,

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Speaker 6: tax cuts, and deregulation. These are not standalone policies. They

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Speaker 6: are interlocking parts of an engine designed to drive economic

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Speaker 6: growth and domestic manufacturing. Tax Cuts and cost savings from

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Speaker 6: deregulation raise real incomes for families and businesses. TIFFs create

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Speaker 6: an incentive for reshoring jobs and fair trade. And deregulation

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Speaker 6: complements tariffs by making it easier to invest in energy

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Speaker 6: and manufacturing projects. Already, this agenda is bearing fruit. In

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Speaker 6: the first one hundred days the new administration, four hundred

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Speaker 2: Clay, that people just need to give this some time.

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Speaker 2: And I think what you're seeing here is, first of all,

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Speaker 2: I just fifteen years in conservative media. All in the

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Speaker 2: always hear we need private industry minds in government. We

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Speaker 2: need people who understand how jobs are created in the economy,

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Speaker 2: not by siphoning money from tax payers to people who

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Speaker 2: don't actually necessarily do anything or add anything with some

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Speaker 2: of these government with some of this government bloat. We

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Speaker 2: have this now in a way we not only on

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Speaker 2: the advisors, but Trump himself, right, somebody who understands the

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Speaker 2: private sector. You look at even Scott Bessant, you compare

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Speaker 2: him to Biden's Treasury secretary Janet Yellen. Yellen is an

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Speaker 2: an academic economist. Okay, that's who was running the Treasury before.

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Speaker 2: Bessen is a guy who had to place multi billion

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Speaker 2: about what was actually going to happen in the global economy.

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Speaker 2: We have doers and practitioners now, Clay, not theorists and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I think that's why you know, the

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Speaker 1: the ship of state. And I've had this analogy made

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Speaker 1: to me a lot over the years. You know, in

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Speaker 1: the world of sports, the smaller the team, the quicker

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Speaker 1: it's like a speedboat. You can change a couple of players.

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Speaker 1: You can turn it around football teams, an aircraft carrier.

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Speaker 1: The United States is the largest floatable ship on the planet.

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Speaker 1: It's very hard to turn it in any particular direction. Now,

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Speaker 1: sometimes that can be good because if people make really

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Speaker 1: the direction of the country is limited. But you've made

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Speaker 1: the argument for years here, and it's a pessimistic one,

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Speaker 2: And you made that argus. But Biden was a test

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Speaker 2: of my theory. Yes, right, Biden was a real world

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Speaker 2: experiment of is it the machinery and not the man

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Speaker 1: Saw well, and this is why I think Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: great example of that too, but in sports, and I've

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Speaker 1: concept and it's such an interesting one. There's something called

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Speaker 1: win over replacement value, and it's a I think you

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Speaker 1: an interesting concept. You know, there's basically a war, you know,

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Speaker 1: win above replacement for every player. And I mentioned Aaron

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Speaker 1: Judge is the best player in baseball right now statistically

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Speaker 1: I think you can apply it to politics. How much

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Speaker 1: more things, I respect it. I would just point out

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Speaker 1: I really think that's true. And they're trying to make

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Speaker 2: The worst thing you can do is I don't want

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Speaker 2: Yes that you can pay with your life or that one.

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Speaker 2: There there's a broader lesson, there's a broader principle there.

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Speaker 2: You got to just do sometimes because sitting around and

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Speaker 2: especially given the time constraints. I think the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: That can always fall back on inaction as its preferred plan.

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Speaker 7: You know, you realize with a preemptive pardon where they

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Speaker 7: talk to people and you have to This is the

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Speaker 7: same thing we should be doing with Russia. You know,

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Speaker 7: they're wanting to put more more sanctions on Russia. The

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Speaker 7: Lindsey Graham Bill wants to put a five hundred percent

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Speaker 7: what that is. That's about forty or fifty countries by

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Speaker 7: would be a shutdown of basically all all commerce in

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Speaker 7: the world. That mean, it's a terrible idea. What we

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Speaker 7: should be doing instead is going to Russia and say

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Speaker 7: want to get rid of some sanctions, salming of Venezuela,

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Speaker 7: and let's have a ceasefire and peace stalks. I think

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Speaker 7: it's I think you we have so many sanctions already

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Speaker 7: on these countries that really to get to diplomacy and

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Speaker 7: they have to do something real. It has to be

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Speaker 1: All right, I know it's a complicated topic, but I

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Speaker 1: want to give you an opportunity to weigh in on

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Speaker 1: tariffs and analyze this. Reports today that India might be

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Speaker 1: willing to go to zero tariffs for American goods. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me that there is dual arguments here. One

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Speaker 1: is you hear it from a lot of Trump people, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we want to actually eliminate many of the tariffs and

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Speaker 1: have more free trade. The other argument is we need

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Speaker 1: to have more protectionist trade, potentially with China other countries.

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Speaker 1: How do you analyze this, what should we do? And

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Speaker 1: bigger picture, how does it impact the big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a big question, but the tax cut

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Speaker 1: bill that's currently making its way along with border security

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Speaker 7: There's two camps on tariffs. They're all pro tariff and

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Speaker 7: the Trump administration, but two camps, one of the Neanderthal camp.

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Speaker 7: The Neanderthal camp says that we keep tariffs on until

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Speaker 7: there's no more trade sits, Well, you think we're ever

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Speaker 7: going to get to the point where Bangladesh buys as

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Speaker 7: much from us as we five from them, the same

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Speaker 7: with Vietnam. We're a very, very rich country, and part

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Speaker 7: of a trade deficit is when you're richer, you buy

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Speaker 7: more stuff from other people than they buy from you.

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Speaker 7: So it's just that's a ridiculous ne and with all

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Speaker 7: sort of argument. The other camp says, well, we want

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Speaker 7: reciprocal agreements, we want fairness, but we'll you know, we'd

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Speaker 7: like to see lower tariffs. That's a more reasonable camp.

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Speaker 7: And I've actually said, well, I'm not for the tariffs,

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Speaker 7: and I think tariff's from this guided. If Trump is

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Speaker 7: able to use as a negotiating technique the ability of

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Speaker 7: lower terraffs with India and they get to a much

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Speaker 7: lower level than when we started, I'll be the first

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Speaker 7: to compliment him on that. But realize that the tariff

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Speaker 7: bill or the sanctioned bill that Lindsay is proposing on

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Speaker 7: Russia actually would tariff because India is an India and

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Speaker 7: China the two biggest purchasers of oil and gas from Russia,

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Speaker 7: and if you put a five hundred percent tariff, that's

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Speaker 7: going the opposite way. So I don't think we're going

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Speaker 7: to zero if we pass this new rights sanctioned bill

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Speaker 7: that puts a five hundred percent. A five hundred percent

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Speaker 7: tiff is an embargo. It's it's almost like a declaration

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Speaker 7: of war basically, So it's a it's a really really

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Speaker 7: really foolish notion. But if you know, they come up

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Speaker 7: with a deal with India, I will be the first

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Speaker 7: to compliment the President and say, bay job you know,

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Speaker 7: if he gets if he gets lower tariffs, we'll see

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Speaker 7: what happens. But I think that should be the goal

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Speaker 7: really with every country, and I would say even including China,

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Speaker 7: because I think the moment that we have no trade

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Speaker 7: with China is the moment that they become less predictable

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Speaker 7: and potentially more militaristic.

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Speaker 2: Senator one more for you only got about a minute,

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Speaker 2: but I just wanted to hear you weigh in on

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Speaker 2: this because I know government spending and are unsustainable debt

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Speaker 2: is something you've been talking about for a long time.

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Speaker 2: The doose cuts, I'm hearing there's been some cuts, actually

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Speaker 2: made a lot of cuts. Advise, what do you think

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Speaker 2: where are we on that?

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Speaker 7: None of them actually count until they come back to Congress.

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Speaker 7: So if you say you've cut spending and UNUSS it's

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Speaker 7: actually booked by Congress, and Congress boats on it, it

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Speaker 7: doesn't really it hasn't been transmitted or accounted for. There's

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Speaker 7: supposedly a recision package. It can be voted on by

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Speaker 7: a simple majority. That's coming back to us of only

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Speaker 7: nine billion. That's a pittance. That's a rounding era. I'm

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Speaker 7: for it, but I'll think send us more please, we'll see.

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Speaker 7: But right now we've been hearing about that for two

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Speaker 7: weeks and haven't seen that. And if that gets over

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Speaker 7: here and the weak need Republicans won't go over that,

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Speaker 7: then I say, Katie, bar the door. You might as

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Speaker 7: well plan on a full scale bankruptcy in the country.

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Speaker 7: It's the Congress canting cut nine billion.

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Speaker 2: On that note, Senator ra and Paul, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. As always Strow, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Thank you,