Speaker 1: Hey, it's Wilfred l here. Now, before we get into
Speaker 1: the new episode of Pod Meets World, I have a
Speaker 1: major announcement. Yes, just in time for the thirtieth anniversary
Speaker 1: of Boy Meets World. Where on YouTube. That's right, you
Speaker 1: can now see our faces and action, which I guess
Speaker 1: is a good and bad thing. But okay, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna put up twenty episodes from season one, some of
Speaker 1: our favorites, so you can experience our looks of surprise, embarrassment,
Speaker 1: and pure joy with both your ears and your eyeholes.
Speaker 1: So go to our YouTube channel, it's just Pod meets
Speaker 1: World to see the first few episodes and subscribe for
Speaker 1: all new releases and let me know what you think
Speaker 1: of a face. I have some news, guys. Okay, you
Speaker 1: have heard, dear listener. We have talked a lot about
Speaker 1: April Kelly and where is April Kelly and what is
Speaker 1: the story of April Kelly? And I was able to
Speaker 1: track her down and she reached out to me. I
Speaker 1: reached out to her, She got back to me right away.
Speaker 1: We had a wonderful conversation and I asked her on
Speaker 1: behalf of Will and Writer and myself. I asked her
Speaker 1: if she would be a guest on our pod, and
Speaker 1: it didn't take her long to say no before we
Speaker 1: got out, would you know. Yeah, it was pretty much
Speaker 1: like that. She's been incredibly private, right. Yeah, she's basically
Speaker 1: left Hollywood. She moved away, and she moved away. She
Speaker 1: has a curly separate career. I mean, she has an
Speaker 1: incredible Hollywood career. She's had multiple incredible careers. Um, and
Speaker 1: she yeah, she's overall just kind of an incredible, fascinating
Speaker 1: her sin And she said she just doesn't want to
Speaker 1: dip her toe back into this world. And it had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with our dear listeners, That had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the three of us. Um, she just
Speaker 1: wasn't interested. But what she was interested in doing was
Speaker 1: writing me a letter that I could read on the podcast,
Speaker 1: so that her, her voice and her words, um had
Speaker 1: a place, but that they she just wasn't gonna appear
Speaker 1: on the podcast. So, without further ado, here is a
Speaker 1: pod Meets World letter from April Kelly. Greetings to all
Speaker 1: you pod meets World listeners. I bet some of you
Speaker 1: think acting on a TV show must be the sweetest
Speaker 1: gig on earth, especially for a kid. Let me give
Speaker 1: you a sobering dose of reality. It is actual work,
Speaker 1: taking up maybe forty hours of your week, and you
Speaker 1: still have to go to school. Every show with underage
Speaker 1: actors must have two adults on set tasked with ensuring
Speaker 1: the safety and welfare of those mini tornadoes in human form.
Speaker 1: One is the welfare worker who makes sure nobody like
Speaker 1: me slap someone upside the head, and the other is
Speaker 1: the teacher who keeps their studies on par with regular
Speaker 1: school so they will not be too far behind their
Speaker 1: peers when the show was canceled or goes on hiatus.
Speaker 1: So you have a full time job, You have all
Speaker 1: that study and homework, and on top of that, you
Speaker 1: are dealing with the unique issues that come with working
Speaker 1: on any show. What kind of issues you ask for? Starters.
Speaker 1: In order to play to Pengo with those Botta Chelly
Speaker 1: curls we producers decided would be so freaking cool, Danielle
Speaker 1: had to arrive several hours earlier than the rest of
Speaker 1: the cast so her mom and a hairdresser could turn
Speaker 1: her long, beautiful hair into the ten thousand, six d
Speaker 1: twenty eight individual ten drils that created the character's iconic looks.
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't exactly ten thousand, six twenty eight, But
Speaker 1: trust me, it was a bunch. How long do you
Speaker 1: think you could sit still and be tortured like that?
Speaker 1: Or how about Will? He was only seventeen when we
Speaker 1: learned him from New York to l A to play
Speaker 1: Corey's big brother Eric. His parents were back east, and
Speaker 1: he didn't know anybody on the West Coast but his
Speaker 1: own older brother. Can you imagine being that isolated as
Speaker 1: a teenager, especially starting a new job surrounded by a
Speaker 1: bunch of complete strangers and really wanting to impress them
Speaker 1: enough to get your career going. As Writer went through
Speaker 1: the normal puberty fueled brooding and angst, he simultaneously appeared
Speaker 1: to wrestle with the very concept of being an actor
Speaker 1: at my request. At my request, his teacher occasionally slipped
Speaker 1: me one of his essays or other written assignments, and
Speaker 1: it was obvious even back then that playing best friend
Speaker 1: Sean would only be the precursor of tapping into skills
Speaker 1: he would feel more comfortable with, like writing and directing.
Speaker 1: With all that personal challenge, long work weeks and keeping
Speaker 1: up with school assignments, those three child actors never once
Speaker 1: let their personal stress leak through into their performances. To
Speaker 1: Pango was ever the girl whose insight and wisdom came
Speaker 1: wrapped in endearing daffiness. Eric's impish smile and hilarious shallowness
Speaker 1: never undermined his position as protector of his younger siblings,
Speaker 1: and Sean remained the supportive and steadfast friend each of
Speaker 1: us wishes we had, even in the face of the
Speaker 1: character's struggles with a family situation that was not always healthy.
Speaker 1: Their unflagging professionalism sharply contrasted with the childish antics, ridiculous demands,
Speaker 1: and surly attitudes I had run across with adult actors
Speaker 1: throughout my career. Because they always behaved with consummate professionalism,
Speaker 1: it was easy for me to forget sometimes that they
Speaker 1: were children, which is why I was so delighted that
Speaker 1: first October when the wardrobe mistress called me at home
Speaker 1: to tell me the entire cast of kids intended to
Speaker 1: show up in Halloween costumes the next morning. I remember
Speaker 1: scrambling to find a photographer to capture their spooky finery
Speaker 1: and paying for it myself, as the studio and network
Speaker 1: had no interest in spending their own money to memorialize
Speaker 1: the event in my long career of writing and producing
Speaker 1: situation comedies, one hour dramas, TV movies and miniseries. Those
Speaker 1: photos where I posed with the cast and my four
Speaker 1: ft long flowered clown tie and my high healed sneakers
Speaker 1: represent the one and only time I ever intentionally had
Speaker 1: my picture taken with any actor. Ugly studio politics swirling
Speaker 1: far outside the notice of the young cast precluded my
Speaker 1: returning to the show I created for a second year,
Speaker 1: but I knew quote my kids unquote would be in
Speaker 1: good hands with director David Trainer, also a consummate professional
Speaker 1: and the perfect man to protect them from the worst
Speaker 1: of the disgusting behavior and dismissive attitude displayed by a
Speaker 1: certain other jerk who shall remain nameless. Even though I
Speaker 1: spent only one season on Boy Meat's World, I have
Speaker 1: always kept happy memories of that time, and I have
Speaker 1: the pictures to prove it. Wow. So there you go.
Speaker 1: That got me emotional. There's our our letter from a brokelly.
Speaker 1: What a lost voice in that room. It's intense that
Speaker 1: she was so aware of who we were and um
Speaker 1: what our experience was like, because yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: we barely were aware. I look back and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what was happening? Um, So it's so nice that um,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and she was there for us. Yeah, listeners,
Speaker 1: you should google her and see what she's done. The
Speaker 1: career this woman has had on television, that this woman
Speaker 1: has had, it's phenomenal. It really writes books now too,
Speaker 1: by the way, you guys can find her books mysteries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she can write. I mean she can. She can blow
Speaker 1: doors off. I mean it's insane. Yeah, absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can tell from that letter. But check
Speaker 1: out her books and google her and see some of
Speaker 1: the people she's worked with and show she's created and
Speaker 1: helped run and I mean so much too. As we've
Speaker 1: learned doing this show. Um, is how many things go uncredited.
Speaker 1: You know, how many jobs people get because they come
Speaker 1: in and are asked to fix something somebody else did,
Speaker 1: But depending on how much they fixed it, that may
Speaker 1: never even your name never even gets credited. You're just
Speaker 1: kind of discarded and the original person gets all the credit.
Speaker 1: And so there's a ton of things you know that
Speaker 1: I'm sure she wasn't even credited for. But the things
Speaker 1: she's she is credited for. Our mind blowing. So anyway. UM,
Speaker 1: I I sincerely wish she was willing to be a
Speaker 1: guest on the podcast because I would love for you
Speaker 1: all to hear her voice in her own voice. UM.
Speaker 1: But with that said, I one hundred percent to understand
Speaker 1: why she does not want to do it. Yeah. We've
Speaker 1: also said from the beginning that we don't ever want
Speaker 1: anybody to come on here and be uncomfortable. The last
Speaker 1: thing we're looking for is trying to have anybody come
Speaker 1: out here and be even slightly uncomfortable about talking about anything.
Speaker 1: And so you know, again she if she even has
Speaker 1: that moment of hesitation, then it's like that it's not
Speaker 1: worth it. It's just I know, I want you to
Speaker 1: feel that way. You know. We also asked Lily if
Speaker 1: Lily was interested in coming on and and Lily very
Speaker 1: politely declined, And I wrote her a second time, uh,
Speaker 1: telling her how much we'd love to have her on,
Speaker 1: And she declined a second time, and I said, I
Speaker 1: totally get it. I will no longer bug you, just
Speaker 1: so you know you have an open door policy. If
Speaker 1: you ever change your mind, we would love to have
Speaker 1: you on. Um. And so yeah, for you know, we've
Speaker 1: we've discussed it there's Um, there's a lot of good
Speaker 1: and and hard that comes with talking this openly and
Speaker 1: looking at your experiences and looking at yourself in this way. Um,
Speaker 1: and I understand why people don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: And as always, like I said, Lily, open door policy,
Speaker 1: Ben open door policy, April, open door policy. Um, if
Speaker 1: they change their minds, I'd love to have them all right, Well,
Speaker 1: call us gluttons for punishment. No break. We talked about it.
Speaker 1: Should we take a break between season one and season two? Where?
Speaker 1: Should we just keep going? And you know what, we
Speaker 1: love each other, We love the show and we love
Speaker 1: you guys so much. We decided who needs a break?
Speaker 1: Will sleep when we're dead? Sweet sweet sleep, Sweet sweet
Speaker 1: sleep of death. I'd like to change my vote? Is
Speaker 1: it too late to change my vote? It's a little
Speaker 1: too late? Well, fair enough. I was thinking about it
Speaker 1: before we jump into season two. Do you guys remember
Speaker 1: the hiatus, the summer hiatus between season one and season
Speaker 1: two and what you did and and all that. Do
Speaker 1: you remember also when you heard that the show was
Speaker 1: picked up? Did we know when season? Like? How far
Speaker 1: after season when ended? We did we know? That's an
Speaker 1: interesting question. I kind of I don't remember it did.
Speaker 1: Now it seems inevitable that we would be picked up.
Speaker 1: So but at the time, like we've talked about, when
Speaker 1: we were filming the last episode, there was the sense
Speaker 1: that it could be the end. So it wasn't for sure,
Speaker 1: but I know what our rays were good. I think
Speaker 1: we were pretty confident. I think there was there was
Speaker 1: a sense that it could end. You know, there was
Speaker 1: there was no guarantee. Um also, maybe I felt that
Speaker 1: way because we knew people could get fired at any moment,
Speaker 1: but certainly, like I, I like there was a sense.
Speaker 1: I remember there was a sense of we were getting
Speaker 1: twenty four share on some episodes, which was a big deal.
Speaker 1: And I remember there was a sense that we were hit.
Speaker 1: So I actually don't even know if I can't explain
Speaker 1: it perfectly. Four people were watching the show in so
Speaker 1: ratings used to work. The Nielsen ratings used to work.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming they still do, but no one
Speaker 1: really cares about them anymore. As in the same way,
Speaker 1: but it used to work that you would have a
Speaker 1: share of the audience um or, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how it worked out. Was at a percentage? Was it
Speaker 1: actually twenty four million? Million if I think a million, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, I think. I'm not sure if that's like
Speaker 1: like a Actually the way it worked, but there was
Speaker 1: a shorthand that if you got a twenty four share,
Speaker 1: that meant like twenty three million or twenty four million
Speaker 1: people were watching the show, and that was like our bit,
Speaker 1: and it was Corey's Alternative Friends was our first episode
Speaker 1: to reach that, and then we continued to hit that
Speaker 1: number on a somewhat regular basis throughout the first season,
Speaker 1: which meant that we were a hit, that we were
Speaker 1: enough to stay on the air. Nowadays, that would be
Speaker 1: like the biggest television show of all time, because I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: by the time, I mean when we were getting when
Speaker 1: we got canceled in our seventh season, we were still
Speaker 1: getting like twenty share or whatever, and like only a
Speaker 1: few years later that would have been the number one
Speaker 1: show on television. So you know, I don't mean to
Speaker 1: interrupt in this might make it more confusing, but it
Speaker 1: says in TV media planning, a share refers to the
Speaker 1: percentage of households that is exposed to an advertisement measured
Speaker 1: against the total number of households who were watching television
Speaker 1: at that specific time, which people. Yes, that's the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's what it means. But it
Speaker 1: basically means that that that your show is worth money
Speaker 1: the network because that means that means that they're able
Speaker 1: to turn to advertisers and say, we're getting this kinds
Speaker 1: of numbers, do you want to advertise on this show?
Speaker 1: And so for a show like ours, that's everything because
Speaker 1: that's the network then decides to keep you around. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know, I just yeah, So
Speaker 1: I didn't remember this correctly. I had thought between second
Speaker 1: and third season I went off and did an ABC
Speaker 1: Movie of the Week, but I actually did it between
Speaker 1: first and second season. Yeah, I did, which is crazy,
Speaker 1: like you know, there I and will You ended up
Speaker 1: doing multiple versions of these. But you know, back then
Speaker 1: they would just like cast you in a TV show
Speaker 1: if you were on like on a b R in
Speaker 1: a movie. So ABC did Movies of the Week and
Speaker 1: they just gave me a job, I guess as an
Speaker 1: indication of like how well boy Me's world was doing
Speaker 1: and that I was getting sort of acknowledged as a
Speaker 1: as an actor on this show and like not no
Speaker 1: longer just the two line best friend. They just offered
Speaker 1: me the starring role in this ABC movie of the
Speaker 1: Week called Summertime Switch, and so I went off to Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: Florida for at least three weeks. It was. It was
Speaker 1: an amazing in cast. Actually, so it's Jason Weaver who
Speaker 1: had been um the singing voice of Young Simba, and
Speaker 1: he was an amazing singer and dancer, uh and actor.
Speaker 1: He was UM. He was also in the Jackson five
Speaker 1: movie that had been come out around that time, like
Speaker 1: maybe a year or two before they did a television
Speaker 1: movie about the Jackson five. So he was this an
Speaker 1: incredibly talented actor. And we played two guys who go
Speaker 1: to the wrong summer camp, like we have the same name,
Speaker 1: and I'm like the preppy guy and he's like the
Speaker 1: criminal kid, and we I end up at the prison
Speaker 1: summer camp and he ends up at like the rich
Speaker 1: kids summer camp. And so I actually didn't get to
Speaker 1: work with Jason all that much because we were on
Speaker 1: opposite scenes all the time. But also had Soleigh Moonfry
Speaker 1: in it. It had David tom if you guys remember
Speaker 1: David Toms, Patrick Grenna and one of the sand Loot
Speaker 1: guys was in it. When he was him a lot,
Speaker 1: So it was a really fun cast. It was just
Speaker 1: basically like it was basically like summer camping in Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 1: Like I remember I did my first time doing karaoke
Speaker 1: out there, um, and like none of us really cared
Speaker 1: about the movie. Were like, you know, I think I'm
Speaker 1: horrible in this film. I had to play basketball, which
Speaker 1: I think I talked about on this show was the biggest.
Speaker 1: But this also explains why my hair is so short
Speaker 1: coming back into season two, because they gave me like
Speaker 1: a super short, preppy haircut, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, some people have reached out
Speaker 1: to me and said that they love this movie. I
Speaker 1: refused to watch. Oh god, it's so maybe it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch it though, I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: But to the rewatch of Summertime Switch podcasts, No, No,
Speaker 1: why writer it Similarly to the way you look like
Speaker 1: a child in Boy Meets World, you would look like
Speaker 1: a child in this movie. And so it's not going
Speaker 1: to be like self conscious because it looks like you
Speaker 1: as a grown man on screen. Why would you not
Speaker 1: watch it? I think I'm very bad in and I
Speaker 1: remember having struggles with the director. I remember the director
Speaker 1: wanting me to be funnier and pushing me into you
Speaker 1: know what was probably required, which was to be an
Speaker 1: over the top funny character. And I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be that actor, Like I didn't enjoy that kind of acting,
Speaker 1: Like I was not interesting. Like I remember him specifically
Speaker 1: being like, be more like Jim Carrey, you know how
Speaker 1: Jim carried and like, I am not that guy like
Speaker 1: and at the time, I I didn't like that, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't want you know, of course, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a serious actor. I wanted to be a real actor.
Speaker 1: I came from theater. Boy Meets World was not really
Speaker 1: my style like doing, you know. So I just suddenly
Speaker 1: found myself being plugged into this over the top comedy,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure is fine. It just wasn't me, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I was very uncomfortable the entire time with
Speaker 1: the actual acting. And so when I look back on it,
Speaker 1: I just feel uncomfortable and the like when I've seen screenshots,
Speaker 1: I just it makes my skin crawl. As an experience,
Speaker 1: it was super fun off camera, like it we were
Speaker 1: all staying in the same hotel, you know, it's all
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids and our parents and we would
Speaker 1: just play games and hang out and um, it was
Speaker 1: so like it was a good experience as far as
Speaker 1: the you know, the friendships that I've forged and the
Speaker 1: relationships we had off camera, but on camera I was
Speaker 1: I was really uncomfortable and unhappy, which you know just happens.
Speaker 1: I challenge you to doing a Summertimes which rewatch this
Speaker 1: season within as a special episode. We can, we can
Speaker 1: rewatch it and talk about it. You can say no,
Speaker 1: but I'm just throwing it out there with love. It
Speaker 1: would be a it's a safe space and then we
Speaker 1: can do my date with the President's daughter there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Will is actually great in that if I remember,
Speaker 1: I'm phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal that the thing Will was always
Speaker 1: you just always loved acting like you were always so
Speaker 1: comfortable in your skin, and you knew exactly what you
Speaker 1: were doing and who you were, and you were doing
Speaker 1: exactly what you like I grew up wanting to do.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I was always like, why am
Speaker 1: I here? What is happening? And I just always felt,
Speaker 1: you know, out of place? Was always less Jim Carrey
Speaker 1: less like Jim Carrey, so, well, what did you do
Speaker 1: during that summer hiatus? This was in some ways of
Speaker 1: a wonderful hiatus for me, and in some ways a
Speaker 1: very horrible hiatus for me. So I was living in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, I had, you know, was starting my life
Speaker 1: as an adult, and then I had to go back
Speaker 1: and graduate high school. And high school was not a
Speaker 1: good time for me. Um, I did not you know,
Speaker 1: I was not treated real well in high school. I
Speaker 1: didn't have a close group of friends. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going to any of the parties and any stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I came back and from being on television,
Speaker 1: I was now one of the popular guys, and and
Speaker 1: they had rewritten history to where all the times I
Speaker 1: was not invited to parties, all of a sudden I
Speaker 1: was there. So they'd start saying things like remember that party,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, no, I wasn't there, Like yeah
Speaker 1: you were, Yeah, no we hung out that Like, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I was rewritten into this history where
Speaker 1: every Friday night I was home with my parents. But
Speaker 1: now everyone wanted to brag about being your friend now.
Speaker 1: So it was so the first three months leaving the show,
Speaker 1: was tough because it was like I just wanted to
Speaker 1: get through school. By that point, I was just over
Speaker 1: seas would end in March, and so we would still
Speaker 1: of like most of March, April, May, and then however
Speaker 1: long Intervil. So I had like three and a half
Speaker 1: months of school and I was just over it. I
Speaker 1: wanted to just get out. And and then so once
Speaker 1: once I graduated, it was great because then I went
Speaker 1: and did UM, an awesome show on Nickelodeon. I did
Speaker 1: in an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark,
Speaker 1: which is a super cool show and has become like
Speaker 1: a cult hit, and I got to play a character
Speaker 1: we were up in. We shot it up in Montreal,
Speaker 1: and I got to play a character who's walking home
Speaker 1: through these thick woods. You would have loved it. Writer
Speaker 1: like this, He's a revolutionary work. And it turns out, yeah,
Speaker 1: it turns out that he runs into a character an
Speaker 1: old Rever War soldier. I think we watched it one
Speaker 1: time at your house because I asked, and a ton
Speaker 1: of fun. And my one cool friend from high school
Speaker 1: I literally talked to you last night, who I'm still
Speaker 1: really good friends with. UM was an extra and he
Speaker 1: was the guy who He always looked like he was
Speaker 1: forty when when we were in high school. So sitting
Speaker 1: right behind me is is a guy we're supposed to
Speaker 1: be like freshman in high school. It looks like it's
Speaker 1: like sweet Beard. He came up to visit you when
Speaker 1: you were in Montreal. She was my he I was
Speaker 1: not yet eighteen, so I think he was like my
Speaker 1: legal guardian because he was eighteen and a half or
Speaker 1: something like that. So we drove up. We got into
Speaker 1: my car. He and I would always take road trips.
Speaker 1: He driven across the country a bunch of times with
Speaker 1: up Google shout out um and he would. So we
Speaker 1: drove up to Montreal from Kenneticut was like a six
Speaker 1: hour drive and we went to checked everything out and
Speaker 1: hung out in Montreal and I got to shoot be
Speaker 1: the best and I got to shoot for It was
Speaker 1: like two weeks and we just had it was just fun.
Speaker 1: So it was it was the tale of two to
Speaker 1: hiatuses for me where it started really bad and ended
Speaker 1: really great. And I like writer. I honestly can't remember
Speaker 1: finding out when the show was picked up. I have
Speaker 1: no memory of Actually, I don't know if I got
Speaker 1: a call or we were all. I mean, there wasn't
Speaker 1: an email chain or anything like that at the time.
Speaker 1: So I imagine you get a call from agent right going, hey,
Speaker 1: they picked you up for another season. But I have
Speaker 1: no memory of it whatsoever. Yeah, I don't either. I
Speaker 1: have no memory of that. Also have no memory of
Speaker 1: the summer. But I also like, just went back to
Speaker 1: normal school, and then we probably went to Hawaii. My
Speaker 1: family went to Hawaii every year, so that's where I
Speaker 1: came back with that stellar tan and the natural blonde highlights.
Speaker 1: And you hate it, and now you hate the beach.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to be in the sun,
Speaker 1: but I do think I do love the beach and
Speaker 1: on the beach. Correct, that is what I do if
Speaker 1: I go to a tropical place. I'm under a cabana um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have no fun summer stories. Did you.
Speaker 1: You didn't shoot anything or anything in between. I never
Speaker 1: once shot anything in between. I never wanted to another project.
Speaker 1: Mostly by choice, I wanted to go back to I
Speaker 1: was such a regular school kid. I wanted to go
Speaker 1: back to regular school so bad. I loved the flip
Speaker 1: of just being able to be with my high school
Speaker 1: friends and the high school boys and the you know,
Speaker 1: the normal high school experience. I wanted to do that,
Speaker 1: and um, I also don't think I think I was
Speaker 1: also like, I'm not going to audition. I work all
Speaker 1: throughout the year. I don't want audition for stuff. And
Speaker 1: I don't think I was being offered anything. I don't
Speaker 1: think I turned it down an offer, but maybe I did.
Speaker 1: But no, I have such boring hiatus stories, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just yours. I'll think about it. Maybe I'll make
Speaker 1: one up for between season three and season four or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's some kind of saving a kid from a
Speaker 1: fire or something you can Yeah, that's a good idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll workshop that. I like it. Well, welcome to
Speaker 1: Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or Strong,
Speaker 1: and I'm Wilfredell. Okay. So, season two, episode one, back
Speaker 1: to School. It originally aired September. The synopsis is Corey
Speaker 1: and Sean don't exactly enjoy their first day of high
Speaker 1: school when they face a new teacher, a bully, and
Speaker 1: a face from the past. It was directed by David Traynor,
Speaker 1: written by David Kendall. His first episode on Boy Mets world,
Speaker 1: So many changes, so many changes. Two, we have a
Speaker 1: lot of guest stars, so many guest stars. We have
Speaker 1: Anthony Tyler Quinn who was listed as a guest star. Really,
Speaker 1: I think he was a regular by this thought started
Speaker 1: as a regular. Yeah, to double check, I thought interesting.
Speaker 1: So Anthony Tyler Quinn. We know him affectionately as Tony Quinn.
Speaker 1: He played Mr Turner, Danny McNulty, Harley Kiner, Kevin West
Speaker 1: was Mr Stimpleton, Laura Scott was the nurse Blake Soaper,
Speaker 1: Joey the Rat, Ethan Supply, Frankie Stachino, Marguerite Murrow was
Speaker 1: Gail the long haired brunette, and Jeremy Wyand was Alvin.
Speaker 1: And I think he is the person at the opening
Speaker 1: of the show who doesn't have a shirt on says
Speaker 1: that the seniors stole his shirt. No, Alvin. He was
Speaker 1: one of the quote unquote nerds, wasn't he? And did
Speaker 1: you say the other nerd which is Kaplan? What's his name?
Speaker 1: The nerds were Jonathan Charles Kaplan. He was Herbert and
Speaker 1: here's yeah, he worked. He took over from me from
Speaker 1: the Graduate when we did really, when I did the
Speaker 1: tour for the Graduate play, yeah, he took over from me,
Speaker 1: so I met him years later and when we were
Speaker 1: in our twenties. But the other nerd, Lucas Jackson. Guess
Speaker 1: what that NERD's name was, what Limpkey? No, yeah, really recycled.
Speaker 1: They recycled the name and just gave him the last name.
Speaker 1: Calm on. Well if you think, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't work the first time, why would anybody know,
Speaker 1: so you just pull out the same kind of uncool though.
Speaker 1: I agree, mostly because my very first thought. And we're
Speaker 1: not even in the recap yet, but yes, they started
Speaker 1: off the scene in the school with two two nerds.
Speaker 1: I know it's it's it's that it was infuriated. I
Speaker 1: know it was infuriated. And then to find out in
Speaker 1: looking it up, Lemky, I honestly it was a little insulted. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So Jeremy Wyant wasn't. Alvin was not one
Speaker 1: of those two nerd characters, and Lemkey so I think
Speaker 1: he was. I think he's I think Alvin the senior seniors. Um.
Speaker 1: And then this was actually my first normal credit on
Speaker 1: the show. I wasn't listed as a guest. Hey, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, Danielle. So I my mom swears that
Speaker 1: I was, so I don't know. The mystery continues. I
Speaker 1: need to talk. We need to talk to Judy Savage. Um.
Speaker 1: And now we are as part of the cast. And
Speaker 1: you you were, you were, You must have been guaranteed
Speaker 1: thirteen out of exactly that's I think what it was.
Speaker 1: I was regular, but I was only guaranteed thirteen or
Speaker 1: maybe even seventeen out of twenty one, but I think
Speaker 1: it was thirteen for the first For this second season,
Speaker 1: and we've got a new I guess, short and cool
Speaker 1: cartoon opening, no credits really just new theme music and
Speaker 1: a and a cartoony dude being discussed. Do you guys
Speaker 1: remember this, Like I, I I don't know. I remember Michael
Speaker 1: pitching us this during note session. We're not gonna have
Speaker 1: opening credits, We're just gonna have a cool cartoon. And
Speaker 1: it's it was kind of like a I think maybe
Speaker 1: it was a new idea or maybe just a trendier
Speaker 1: thing that was. You know, it was like an evolution
Speaker 1: in television shows. They were moving away from that sort
Speaker 1: of eighties sitcom opening credits, you know. But it's also
Speaker 1: you get more time to do, get way more time
Speaker 1: for writing, which is why. Obviously the writers loved it
Speaker 1: um but I think it was a relatively new idea
Speaker 1: at the time. And then of course we ended up
Speaker 1: going back to opening credits in the intern near the end.
Speaker 1: I wonder where I did. I didn't want the I
Speaker 1: didn't care whether or not it was the first one,
Speaker 1: but I kind of missed having opening credits. I think
Speaker 1: it's great for actors to be individualized too, Like I
Speaker 1: seeing an actor's face with their name, I think that's
Speaker 1: really part of the reason. You know, like people know
Speaker 1: my name, like people know that no you know any
Speaker 1: anything to say like this is a performance, this is
Speaker 1: a person beyond this character. I think it is respectful
Speaker 1: for actors like to be to be identified that way.
Speaker 1: I know it. It breaks the fourth wall, and it
Speaker 1: can kind of make it. It can get easily get hokey.
Speaker 1: But as far as like what actors bring and and
Speaker 1: and and recognizing actors as individuals and not just part
Speaker 1: of an ensemble but individuals, I really like opening credits
Speaker 1: for that, but I don't like them creatively, as you know,
Speaker 1: as far as breaking the fourth wall experience, I disagree.
Speaker 1: I like to get I like more show. I want
Speaker 1: to have more show. It's like, here's the show. We've
Speaker 1: got great, this is the title of it. Let's move on, right.
Speaker 1: And I guess nowadays it doesn't matter as much because
Speaker 1: you can always look up actors on the internet. You
Speaker 1: can easily be like, who's the person who plays blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But back then, the only way anybody ever
Speaker 1: knew like that, right or strong wasn't the guy who
Speaker 1: was the cool teacher but the kid, you know, it
Speaker 1: was because of those opening credits under our faces, like yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a really respectful sort of like showcase of
Speaker 1: this person is this character. I just never cared about
Speaker 1: that stuff. I was one of those guys like it's like, well,
Speaker 1: your fourth on the call sheet or third on the
Speaker 1: call So for people out there don't know, you get
Speaker 1: a call sheet kind of every week telling you, you know,
Speaker 1: when you have to come into the set, who's going
Speaker 1: to be there that day, And the where you're listed
Speaker 1: on the call sheet is usually where your credit on
Speaker 1: our show. And it was a script, right, and we
Speaker 1: don't really have a call It was our scripts, and
Speaker 1: so I just didn't. It was I had agents that
Speaker 1: were like, well, do you want us to fight? So
Speaker 1: you can be. I was like, I don't care where
Speaker 1: I'm listed. I do not care at all about that stuff.
Speaker 1: I will let my performance speak for itself, and I
Speaker 1: don't care where you have me on the list of people.
Speaker 1: I've just always done that, so I'd like I get
Speaker 1: when to get to the show. Plus, but you know,
Speaker 1: again going back to the shows like Mash and Cheers
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I would rather have seen a
Speaker 1: longer episode of those shows than see the same title
Speaker 1: over over again. Um yeah, yeah, I think it's it's lost.
Speaker 1: It's it's lost its value for at because everyone can
Speaker 1: be looked up online, it doesn't matter as much. But
Speaker 1: now there is also a value in you know, you
Speaker 1: think about the Game of Thrones opening credits, like there's
Speaker 1: so much heavy lifting being done as far as like
Speaker 1: explaining the world and mapping it out for people and
Speaker 1: like giving you a sense of you know. And I
Speaker 1: also think that there's there's become this huge movement I
Speaker 1: mean basically post the seven opening credits. Um that this
Speaker 1: idea of like stylistically establishing the tone through the opening credits.
Speaker 1: You know, like that's like basically now you can't have
Speaker 1: an HBO show without like creepy piano music and like
Speaker 1: an amazingly shot opening credit sequence that sets the tone
Speaker 1: for the entire show. But I really starting to explain
Speaker 1: the world didn't really start with James Bond, the James
Speaker 1: Bond movies where it was like that was the big thing.
Speaker 1: Was what who was going to sing the opening song?
Speaker 1: What the opening title credit was going to be? That
Speaker 1: was like a character of the movie was was that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But well, let's jump into our recap.
Speaker 1: We start in the Matthews kitchen, and boy, oh boys,
Speaker 1: it pretty obvious right off the top that a lot
Speaker 1: growing up has happened for everybody. Yeah, Alan yells for
Speaker 1: Corey Rusty is a fresh new cut, saying he's going
Speaker 1: to be late for the first day of high school,
Speaker 1: and Amy says, oh, he's probably nervous. Corey comes down
Speaker 1: and Morgan says, go back to camp loser. Morgan, his aide,
Speaker 1: looks ten years old and she's all hipped out in
Speaker 1: her blossom hat. Yeah, like very stylized in a completely
Speaker 1: new direction. I was like, Ben looks like he's grown
Speaker 1: two to three inches. He's he's freaking out. Really, he
Speaker 1: looks different, he looks different. He looks totally different. He
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I could not stop saying. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you grow Yeah, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The difference apparently between him at twelve and thirteen was
Speaker 1: quite a lot. Corey is actually in a good mood.
Speaker 1: He's not nervous for his first day of high school
Speaker 1: at all. He knows his role and he is excited.
Speaker 1: He says all summer he bugged Eric and he took
Speaker 1: notes about what he heard. He needs to be friends
Speaker 1: with Harley Kinner, a most feared and influential senior at school.
Speaker 1: He will protect him. Alan and Amy say he doesn't
Speaker 1: need to reinvent himself for high school and no one
Speaker 1: has a plan like that. He's the only person with
Speaker 1: a plan. And then Sean walks in saying he lost
Speaker 1: his copy of the plan and he's wearing fake cyberns
Speaker 1: cybernst me yeah, and he was like what are those things?
Speaker 1: What happened? Why do you have hair? And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's they're fake, don't worry. But yeah, it felt like
Speaker 1: a a bit that yeah didn't really land but really
Speaker 1: had a long run. We just I'm wearing them for
Speaker 1: the next kind of two scenes. Yeah, it's so weird
Speaker 1: because I've seen, you know, people have like pulled screen
Speaker 1: grabs from this or and people think like, oh, those
Speaker 1: are actual sidemus because they look realistic enough, they should
Speaker 1: have gone faker. I feel like, yeah, it should have
Speaker 1: been more obvious that they were fake. And you noticed
Speaker 1: that Rusty the entire time is doing the actor pushes
Speaker 1: food around with this thing. Well, I would like to
Speaker 1: discuss this. Actually, what on earth is he eating? Is
Speaker 1: at breakfast soup? Is it cereal? What is that? Because
Speaker 1: he eat it when he comes down, Well, he takes
Speaker 1: the bull from from Rusty, so we don't know what
Speaker 1: you eat like a champ and you're I know, you're like,
Speaker 1: I couldn't have no idea what it was yellow, It
Speaker 1: looked like it looked like chedd cheddar broccoli soup or something.
Speaker 1: I was just pushing it around. That's probably why he's
Speaker 1: pushing it around. It looks really he's no, he's probably
Speaker 1: pushing it around because he knows you're going to take
Speaker 1: it and eat it. So he wasn't going to contaminate
Speaker 1: your soup with his germs. That's true. So Eric comes downstair.
Speaker 1: Eric comes downstairs and hands core know he's starting to
Speaker 1: get there. Now, he's starting to turn the corner. Eric
Speaker 1: comes downstairs and hands Corey a contract to not contact
Speaker 1: him during school hours. He's only to refer to him
Speaker 1: as Eric, the great one on campus. I loved well
Speaker 1: how you knew what all the words of the contract were,
Speaker 1: and so you were like you were like mouthing it
Speaker 1: as he was like an East Coast prep. Now we
Speaker 1: are done with grunge and hum and thin super thin
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, Michael Jacob's talk did that for me.
Speaker 1: So really that was between season one season to know
Speaker 1: it was it the end of season was like towards
Speaker 1: the end of season one was that we were noticing
Speaker 1: your gaining weight. So that was in my head the
Speaker 1: whole time in between seasons. So yeah, it was Yeah.
Speaker 1: I made I made sure I did not look like
Speaker 1: that when I came back. Yeah, definitely. Hey, it looks good.
Speaker 1: It worked. You do look great. I know, green shoes
Speaker 1: in the green sweater. Yeah, I had that sweater until
Speaker 1: like three years ago, did you. Yeah, Oh that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that sweater. It seems like a will sweater, right.
Speaker 1: Uh So yeah, you explain to your parents that you
Speaker 1: can't really associate with your brother at school. Sorry. Pheeny
Speaker 1: walks in saying a huge object is blocking his driveway
Speaker 1: and it's Eric's car. Sean and Corey Yeah, Shawn and
Speaker 1: Cory ask Poenie if he'll miss them now that they're
Speaker 1: off to high school, and he says no, and then
Speaker 1: as Eric and Feenie leave to figure out the car situation,
Speaker 1: Sean says high school means they are done with Poenie
Speaker 1: and that it is the greatest day of their lives.
Speaker 1: They do their handshake to celebrate, but they say they
Speaker 1: should do something a bit cooler now that they're going
Speaker 1: to high school, and they do a new cooler handshake
Speaker 1: like that. It's exactly the same, but we're just doing
Speaker 1: it like, hey, laughing by the end, Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: to slow down hipcat version. Yeah exactly. I think Amy
Speaker 1: and Allen are laughing too. I'm like genuinely, Rusty and
Speaker 1: Betsy are laughing while you're doing this. Everybody was just
Speaker 1: having fun by this point. Can we talk about I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just overwhelmed by this episode. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I am dizzy with how different It's a whole different
Speaker 1: show and it's shocking. I am uncomfortable. I am very
Speaker 1: scared for how I'm going to feel. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: will change, but this episode completely threw me for a
Speaker 1: I do not feel good, Like it's a weird, like
Speaker 1: body reaction. I don't want. And I wonder how much Okay,
Speaker 1: we're just going into season two really quickly, Like I
Speaker 1: think having a year off would have been nice, you know,
Speaker 1: like having a summer would have been nice. But I
Speaker 1: wonder how much the audience felt this too, you know
Speaker 1: how much how much of that is just natural television,
Speaker 1: you know new season factor like okay, and how much
Speaker 1: of it is because it obviously I have a personal
Speaker 1: identification with the show. I don't know, but I just
Speaker 1: don't feel good about anything. I think. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of it is personal identification. Also because as I'm
Speaker 1: reading the credits, I also realized behind the scenes was complete.
Speaker 1: Everything was different, Everything was different. It's chaos, there's so much,
Speaker 1: there are characters, there's like fifteen bit parts. There's store
Speaker 1: wines where it feels like and I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I already missed season one. Season one was like a
Speaker 1: revelation of how comfortable and cozy and awesome, And this
Speaker 1: just feels like and that what if I if I'm
Speaker 1: being honest, if I'm objective, I was impressed with how
Speaker 1: the storylines, how much they were able to pack in.
Speaker 1: They were able to pull off amazing arcs, you know,
Speaker 1: Eric coming back at the end, like I was. I was,
Speaker 1: I was Feenie being incorporated. Mr Turner being introduced. Like
Speaker 1: when I actually look at it on paper, I am impressed.
Speaker 1: I go, Wow, they pulled it off. Sean, is there
Speaker 1: pancas there? Like some of the even in this opening
Speaker 1: scene you get to see the family is still around.
Speaker 1: But it did not feel good watching the experience. Like
Speaker 1: I can objectively say they pulled it off, but as
Speaker 1: a as an experience, I am very uncomfortable with this.
Speaker 1: I agree, But could you argue that the uncomfortability that
Speaker 1: you're feeling would mirror the same uncomfortability you would actually
Speaker 1: feel going into high school? I'm sure, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's a great way to think about it. I
Speaker 1: just don't like, I'm hoping that this fades, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think it's just like the new haircut, new
Speaker 1: clothes feeling. It's just awkward and it's weird. It doesn't
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like my show. And it does, by
Speaker 1: the way, feel what everyone said the reason for letting
Speaker 1: Lee go. It does feel aged up, and and I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that I like it. It's you know, um,
Speaker 1: I know that we have to grow up. But there
Speaker 1: was something that I had really, we had all really
Speaker 1: settled into nicely at the end of season one. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you're right, well, it's the comfort and coziness of
Speaker 1: a safe environment and then the idea of entering high
Speaker 1: school you're no longer safe. You have that that band
Speaker 1: aid has been ripped off. But I could not agree
Speaker 1: with you more writer, And will I know you feel
Speaker 1: the same way it is. I'm uncomfortable. I'm just uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I don't remember feeling this as
Speaker 1: we shot it. Do you I think I think I was,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, I mean I'm fine, like I
Speaker 1: think I'm fine in the episode, but I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am very I can tell that I am uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like I the whole thing just
Speaker 1: threw me for a loop. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's like starting a whole new show. That's what I
Speaker 1: That's how I looked at it. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's just a brand new show. That's what I
Speaker 1: have to look at it as, is they just here's
Speaker 1: the family again. The dynamics are kind of the same,
Speaker 1: but not really. Now we've got all these new characters
Speaker 1: doing all this new stuff, and it's weird. It was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very off the Nerds with the whole because it's
Speaker 1: always going through my head was it should have been
Speaker 1: late so there was now to hear that the character's
Speaker 1: name was lem Key. That's horrifying. Yeah, so yeah, it
Speaker 1: was strange. Well, we we meet those two new Nerd
Speaker 1: characters in the school hallway. They walk into the hallway saying,
Speaker 1: high school, what happens to us now? We'll determine our
Speaker 1: entire futures. And then Corey and Sean opened the door
Speaker 1: and it hits them in the face and they say
Speaker 1: basically the exact same thing. Why and how this was
Speaker 1: not just Lee? We will never know? Um did this
Speaker 1: joke work for you guys at all? It's three times
Speaker 1: three or four times? And I never found it funny.
Speaker 1: I was watching it. I knew it was coming because
Speaker 1: I remembered it, and I was like, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is not funny and it just never
Speaker 1: never gotta laugh. Indie never liked it. It It was never.
Speaker 1: It's like this, I don't know, I don't, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't I understand, like about this episode that I
Speaker 1: thought missed, which is ironic because I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot about this episode that landed. I thought Tony's character
Speaker 1: landed very well, I thought, and we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was little much at first, um, little
Speaker 1: little cartoony, but we'll we'll get to all. What you
Speaker 1: mean exactly, teach you, teach you the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, but it's um, Yeah, So there was a
Speaker 1: lot that didn't land and starting with this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff and then getting into the seniors took my clothes
Speaker 1: like it's setting up a weird I don't know. It was, yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe it was just thrown by the whole thing.
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I'm trying. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think my third or fourth episode, we're going to be like,
Speaker 1: this is great, right, everybody's comfortable. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: but there's something you know, you think about how ambitious
Speaker 1: of the first episode. This is just like we were saying, well,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes must have been chaos. You have a
Speaker 1: whole new crew, whole new writing staff, and you bring
Speaker 1: on like literally twelve guest cast to a new and
Speaker 1: it's insanity. We must have been pulling our hair out
Speaker 1: going crazy this week. You must have been there's I
Speaker 1: honestly don't. I have no memory of of I remembered
Speaker 1: the episode or parts of it, but I have no
Speaker 1: memory of actually doing it. I have memory of the
Speaker 1: scene with us in the hallway, which well we will
Speaker 1: get to right now. So Alvin the kid in his underwear,
Speaker 1: and he says, seniors the same years, they took my clothes,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was I think the thing that
Speaker 1: above me the most is that he likes walking through
Speaker 1: the hallway and then just walks right up to Corey,
Speaker 1: just directly to Corey. Seniors senior to seniors. I know, uh.
Speaker 1: And and he says that they took his clothes just
Speaker 1: because he's the new kid, and oh, Corey is also
Speaker 1: a new kid. And then new character alert Frankie comes
Speaker 1: over and smashes Corey into the lockers because Corey was
Speaker 1: almost in his way. Fantastic Future Pod meets World guest
Speaker 1: in principly cannot wait to talk to him an incredible actor.
Speaker 1: Sean says they were just looking for their home room,
Speaker 1: and then another new character alert, another kid named Joey
Speaker 1: enters and points to the locker says that's where their
Speaker 1: home room is. So Sean jumps into it. And I
Speaker 1: thought this was a really fantastic moment of Sean going
Speaker 1: oh right here, Oh okay, I'll go ahead and jump in.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great. And then I had a
Speaker 1: real memory of being in those lockers and like having
Speaker 1: them custom made and however, you know, making sure that
Speaker 1: you could fit, and they were all just specially made lockers,
Speaker 1: which I was like out there basically had a latch
Speaker 1: on the inside. Yeah, that's funny, I remember photo coph God. So,
Speaker 1: now with their attention on Corey, Joey and Frankie get
Speaker 1: into their own little fight because Frankie thinks Joey just
Speaker 1: called him gay. Where I'm from, it comes from nothing.
Speaker 1: It right, was that he's so insecure, insecure his sexuality
Speaker 1: that he leaps to did you just call me these
Speaker 1: jokes aged like milk? Yeah, no, horrible, this was and
Speaker 1: it's so I know at the time it was far
Speaker 1: more common, so I'm sure watching it at the time
Speaker 1: it wasn't nearly as jarring as it was to watch now. No.
Speaker 1: I saw an episode of Friends from even later that
Speaker 1: did this almost exactly. Or it had a series of
Speaker 1: gay jokes like throughout. It was a runner throughout, and
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, this was totally normal, like the
Speaker 1: eighties and nineties. That was the joke Bill and Ted's
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I mean, this was like you instantly
Speaker 1: went it was a nine. Yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: like a nineties insult. Well, Bill and Ted's just actually
Speaker 1: used the F word, like awefully, And that was really
Speaker 1: hard because I wanted to watch Bill and Ted's with
Speaker 1: the Indian and he was so totally up his alley
Speaker 1: totally but he he's like, what does that word mean?
Speaker 1: I'm like, right here you go, and you know, like
Speaker 1: he just does not and even with this beat and
Speaker 1: he was like what yeah, because you know, gay is
Speaker 1: not a bad word, Like he we have so many
Speaker 1: gay friends, his best friend's parents, like multiples friends of
Speaker 1: his are gay parents. So like the idea of like
Speaker 1: calling somebody gay or somebody being insecure for being called gay,
Speaker 1: Like he was like literally did not understand what was happening, didn't,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful for how the world has changed. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, I do have to say that as
Speaker 1: opposed to like what I started to say, is as
Speaker 1: opposed to Bill and Ted's which just went for the
Speaker 1: the word this is clever, right, Like this has a
Speaker 1: layer to it that is like, oh, you have to
Speaker 1: sort of assume, you know, his his homophobia, that he's internalized,
Speaker 1: that maybe has feelings he's not processed come out in
Speaker 1: this awful way, and that he's a bully worried about that.
Speaker 1: I can see, like, you know, there's lay up levels
Speaker 1: to it. But yes, the the ultimate point of the
Speaker 1: Joe is completely lost on a new generation. Like it's
Speaker 1: a good thing, thank god. Yeah, so it's yeah, did
Speaker 1: not did not feel good, didn't age well at all? Um, Well,
Speaker 1: can we talk about in general the retro vibe of
Speaker 1: this entire story line like these two bullies, these three bullies, right,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's straight this like Grease nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: three o'clock high happening like not none of this fault
Speaker 1: reflective of nineties high school experience, but it was written
Speaker 1: by super happy something believe how like, yeah, retro this
Speaker 1: and you know, wearing the bowling shirt and like the grease.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Carly Kleiner just looks like he's straight
Speaker 1: of the fifties. And then Ethan and Joey, you know,
Speaker 1: the doing everybody's doing like a New York sort of
Speaker 1: like it all of in New York. He was like
Speaker 1: everybody really, yes, everybody's from Brooks. I mean it was
Speaker 1: like it just became this like cartoon nineteen fifties childhood
Speaker 1: that does not square with the show we had from before.
Speaker 1: And I think it becomes more conscious and funny later on,
Speaker 1: but it felt very awkward to be like so different.
Speaker 1: It was so different that then every you're looking at
Speaker 1: all the reasons why it's different, because it was you're
Speaker 1: just thrown into a brand new show and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh that's not the same. Oh that's not the same.
Speaker 1: Wait why is he from Brooklyn? Wait? What? And so
Speaker 1: everything just felt out of place. Yeah, it was weird. Well,
Speaker 1: then Corey asks the question, if Harley is the biggest
Speaker 1: and baddest, then who were those two guys? And that
Speaker 1: is a very scary thought for their future? What is
Speaker 1: this place? And then to Peanga walks in and they
Speaker 1: are so happy to see her because she feels like
Speaker 1: a bit of the old world. And then they make
Speaker 1: her walk in front of them like a human shield,
Speaker 1: which I thought was pretty funny, and Sean is checking
Speaker 1: out to Pananga. Sorry, sorry, sorry, I was biology. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying we had talked about it very briefly last season,
Speaker 1: about whether or not there was ever and Ernie and
Speaker 1: maybe it was very good to you, and I remember
Speaker 1: you remember kind of hating it, and I remember feeling
Speaker 1: weird about it, like I remember because it was like,
Speaker 1: I have your boobs grown that much? And I remember
Speaker 1: being uncomfortable with Like did we talk about it? Because
Speaker 1: I remember being uncomfortable, So I was uncomfortable too, And
Speaker 1: I think the same reason you just mentioned was the
Speaker 1: same reason I was uncomfortable. I didn't know. I was
Speaker 1: not aware of the outward perception of my body having
Speaker 1: been changed. I don't remember thinking I had changed that much.
Speaker 1: And then when it was written in the episode, I
Speaker 1: suddenly saw myself through the eyes of the people writing
Speaker 1: for me, and I was like, Oh, I guess I
Speaker 1: guess I've I guess I am now a look different.
Speaker 1: I'm more womanly and I didn't feel it until it
Speaker 1: was written in the script. And that's what made me uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: is that I became hyper focused on um being aware
Speaker 1: of how I was being perceived. Yeah, and I had
Speaker 1: already I had done an episode of Evening Ship it
Speaker 1: was exactly this too, where it was a whole episode
Speaker 1: about eleven year old girl getting a bra or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it was I remember it being super uncomfortable in
Speaker 1: person back then too, Like with the other the girl actors, like,
Speaker 1: we were all so uncomfortable with having to do these
Speaker 1: scenes about this thing in a way that like, obviously
Speaker 1: at the point of these these beats is that it's
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for kids to go through this, but for actors
Speaker 1: to have to play that and to recognize adds like
Speaker 1: a whole meta layer of discomfort. It's like and and
Speaker 1: and you have to be aware of it and play
Speaker 1: to it. And I just remember being I hated all
Speaker 1: of this, but you know that's that was the job. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know it's lost to the viewer.
Speaker 1: We were obviously talking about it from the outside perspective
Speaker 1: and really putting it, shining a light on it. But
Speaker 1: I don't think people really thought about. Oh, I wonder
Speaker 1: what the actual feeling was on the set while they
Speaker 1: were filming this. I wonder what those kids were thinking
Speaker 1: and feeling. Like the fact that we were real kids
Speaker 1: is kind of lost on the viewer until you start
Speaker 1: having this discussion. And um, just so people don't jump
Speaker 1: down our throats, we're not saying you shouldn't do an
Speaker 1: episode about this because it's uncomfortable. We're just saying that
Speaker 1: being the kids that are doing that, that are doing it,
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable and it's and you even though you're playing
Speaker 1: a character children looking at each other talking about boots,
Speaker 1: about your boots, and we have to play a scene
Speaker 1: about that, And in real life we I don't remember
Speaker 1: thinking about that yet exactly. We were not. We were
Speaker 1: not and you were not. You know. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: we were all at the same developmental level to being
Speaker 1: able to maturely act it. We were sort of pressured
Speaker 1: into acting something that we may not necessarily. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just an awkward Well, I was insecure about it, and
Speaker 1: my character was supposed to be very confident about it.
Speaker 1: So as an insecure person about this thing, I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be playing this self assured, almost like I'm going
Speaker 1: to use this power I have, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't feel powerful. It feels uncomfortable. Danielle, how old were
Speaker 1: you when when you do this? I may have just
Speaker 1: turned thirteen, Depending on where we were in the shooting
Speaker 1: of this. This would have been Fall of ninety four,
Speaker 1: so I would have just turned thirteen in May. No really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was born in May of one, so Fall of
Speaker 1: eighty four, I would have turned thirteen. You know. If
Speaker 1: we filmed this in September or something or August, I
Speaker 1: would have been This would have been like July or August,
Speaker 1: probably July early on. Yeah, so a few I was
Speaker 1: thirteen in two months or something. Yeah, it's weird. It's yachts.
Speaker 1: It's odd. I had a smoking hot tan though, because
Speaker 1: I spent all summer at the pool. I used to tan.
Speaker 1: I used to tan as a child. I didn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about my future skin. And what's funny is
Speaker 1: what's funny to me is that you look older in
Speaker 1: your face more than anything. Yeah, and you looked more
Speaker 1: like that. I hate to say it, but I look
Speaker 1: like the AI art. Yeah, no, it was. There's something
Speaker 1: about your face. That I was like, oh, Danielle is
Speaker 1: getting older. That was like way more noticeable to me
Speaker 1: than your body, and that we're making this whole thing
Speaker 1: about your body. But I was like, no, she just
Speaker 1: looks older in her face and more like sort of confident, mature,
Speaker 1: And maybe just from the way I looked at it.
Speaker 1: There's the logistical aspect of the fact that she says,
Speaker 1: what are you looking at while you're looking at her back,
Speaker 1: and you know, and then you say you're blown. I know.
Speaker 1: I thought that was weird too, You're looking at my back.
Speaker 1: And then I turned and I asked, what are you
Speaker 1: looking at? And Sean says, her blouse and that summer
Speaker 1: was very good to her and to Penga says, well,
Speaker 1: at least what I grew was real, and I rip
Speaker 1: off your fake sideburns. And now I have to say,
Speaker 1: from a comedic standpoint, it's a good line. That's funny.
Speaker 1: That's what I grew was real. When she rips off
Speaker 1: your sideburns is a funny line. I mean to get
Speaker 1: those stupid sideburns off, but it's a funny. Haircut is awful? Really,
Speaker 1: you asked if you were wearing a wig. I just
Speaker 1: look watching this, I was like, oh, that is awful haircut.
Speaker 1: So I can't say I noticed, but Will did apparently
Speaker 1: did okay fake hair well. Topenga says that we all
Speaker 1: have home room together because she looked it up and
Speaker 1: the teacher is Mr Turner. Eric told Corey nothing about
Speaker 1: this Mr Turner guy. And then a guy with a
Speaker 1: leather jacket, sunglasses, and a helmet walks into the hall
Speaker 1: and Corey thinks it has to be Harley Kiner, like
Speaker 1: that's an Danny was already looking like a twenty six
Speaker 1: year old at least with that hair and the sunglass,
Speaker 1: holding the motorcycle helmet, like you just he might as
Speaker 1: well just be wearing a Neon shirt that just says
Speaker 1: I'm cool. It's got all the stereotypical I'm cool guy
Speaker 1: sunglasses in the helmet, and it's like, exactly, it's so
Speaker 1: clearly like exact fantasy guy for our writing staff. So funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Corey goes up to him saying he wants to
Speaker 1: be his friend and he'll do anything for him, and
Speaker 1: then he quickly realizes that it's a Mr Jonathan Turner,
Speaker 1: and then we go into Turner's classroom. Mr Turner says
Speaker 1: he's there for home room English and anytime someone wants
Speaker 1: to talk, it appears. Mr Turners in on the edge
Speaker 1: of the desk, up whatever you want to talk. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised he didn't start rapping, seriously exactly rash isn't cool yet.
Speaker 1: I just got my head gum. But it's just gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and just talk about books and what he's got. Yes,
Speaker 1: they record. Tony is one of my favorite people in
Speaker 1: the world and a wonderful actor. It is. This is
Speaker 1: just so pushed. The character is just so pushed. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously he's not comfortable yet, but we're all just so
Speaker 1: he's this right character? Is it working? Yeah? Is it
Speaker 1: too much? Should it be more? Is that? Yeah? You
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna notice X man when I see it? Like, no,
Speaker 1: where is that from? Yeah? Mr Turner asks Corey if
Speaker 1: he's the troublemaker and the one who's going to try
Speaker 1: to bring down the new teacher, and Corey says, no,
Speaker 1: that would be Sean. So in order to figure out
Speaker 1: who Sean is, Mr Turner walks around the class and says,
Speaker 1: whoever the troublemaker is will be avoiding eye contacting and bingo, bingo,
Speaker 1: Sean funny, it is funny. Hey, how you doing Sean? Hey?
Speaker 1: Sean Turner asks if anyone knows about the Odyssey, and
Speaker 1: as Tapanka helps a little, Mr Turner explains that. Corey
Speaker 1: asks who wants to read that? And then Mr Turner
Speaker 1: takes his X Men comic. He assigns the class to
Speaker 1: read the Odyssey and X Men, a comic book. He
Speaker 1: reads two guys. Corey says, finally a cool teacher, and
Speaker 1: then Corey calls him phoeney with an air ring. When
Speaker 1: Mr Turner tells him he will lead the classroom discussion tomorrow,
Speaker 1: I'd like to point out you both got that wrong
Speaker 1: during our live show. That was one of the questions
Speaker 1: that was asked to you in trivia, and neither of
Speaker 1: you knew the answer to that. What was the question?
Speaker 1: The question is what is? Corey called Mr Turner and
Speaker 1: I gave you free and it turned out a ring
Speaker 1: so good, so funny. Did Tony actually have an ear
Speaker 1: ring in real life? Did they? Is he wearing an
Speaker 1: earring in the show? I can't remember. I can't remember
Speaker 1: if he has one in real life or not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he has years I don't think, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny. So then we're in the school hallway. Corey
Speaker 1: says Mr Turner is onto them, and Sean says, no,
Speaker 1: it was just Corey. He was onto and Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean realized they're going to be separated for their second
Speaker 1: class and they're going to be split up for the
Speaker 1: first time ever. We could have played that a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger. I think we could have gone farther, you know,
Speaker 1: just like I know I agree with if it was
Speaker 1: season three that we would have right, but at this
Speaker 1: point that the point of us being pulled apart is
Speaker 1: not as big of a joke. But yeah, but it
Speaker 1: is very funny that, like the idea was, okay, where
Speaker 1: do we go next? Occurred to us. So then Corey
Speaker 1: runs up to his brother Eric, who's with some girls,
Speaker 1: and Eric pretends like he doesn't know who he is.
Speaker 1: And then new character alert Harley, Joey, and Frankie are
Speaker 1: standing by the bathroom when Corey excitedly walks up to
Speaker 1: say hi, and we get a call back to the
Speaker 1: gage joke. Yeah, well, it's been a couple of pages.
Speaker 1: It's the second time we're seeing that. The second it's
Speaker 1: also I just have to say, so, so far we've
Speaker 1: seen Joey and Frankie, Harley, Tony Quinn, and then we'll
Speaker 1: get to Marry and Staple, and everybody is so cartoony
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. And these are all really good actors. There
Speaker 1: is not a bad actor in the bunch, and it
Speaker 1: is so over the top cartoony it's amazing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how much of that tone remains, Like I
Speaker 1: don't remember, Like, uh, I think Frankie and Joey kind
Speaker 1: of stay Frankie. But again, you can have a couple
Speaker 1: of cartoony characters that's okay. You can you get you know,
Speaker 1: that sitcomy kind of crazy where it's almost you know,
Speaker 1: you get Lenny and Squiggy from Laverne and Shirley, you know. There,
Speaker 1: you can have that kind of clinger for mash where
Speaker 1: it is cartoony and crazy. But when it's everybody you're introducing,
Speaker 1: I mean, every new character is so over the top
Speaker 1: that it amazing. It's amazing. Part of the dizzy and
Speaker 1: factor that I had it was just like what is happening?
Speaker 1: Like I think by the time Marian came in is
Speaker 1: when I really was like, what is going on? Over
Speaker 1: the top. Yes, they're all phenomenally talented people, and we
Speaker 1: just became a cartoon. We just became like that's what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was like Frankie and Joey are clearly
Speaker 1: like remember the cartoons with like the Big Bulldog and
Speaker 1: the Little One that was always done, Like, that's clearly
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're just not doing they're the human
Speaker 1: version of that. And that's okay if that's a guy
Speaker 1: with a girl's name. Yeah, but it was just and
Speaker 1: it's also the way he's doing it, like it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's just so over the top. Well, Corey is trying
Speaker 1: to avoid a beat down, and he tells Harley that
Speaker 1: people would like him even more if he looked out
Speaker 1: for a seventh grader like himself, And Harley asks his
Speaker 1: name and then exclaims that Corey Matthews is a hoofy name,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh so, yet another reference to just again
Speaker 1: aging like milk here. So he gives him a new
Speaker 1: name that exudes fear and respect, Johnny Baboon, and then
Speaker 1: Mr Simpleton, another new character, walks out and sends Harley
Speaker 1: and Corey to the principal's office for not being in class.
Speaker 1: And then we're at the principal's office. Corey, Mr Stimpleman,
Speaker 1: and Harley walk in to see the principle and it
Speaker 1: is Mr Penny. It was a great we should have
Speaker 1: happened maybe five minutes earlier, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it should have probably been like the first beat
Speaker 1: as before Turner, because at this point I was like,
Speaker 1: now we're going to the principle, Like it's just like
Speaker 1: in the world a new person, and and it was
Speaker 1: like how many characters are we going to have to
Speaker 1: get through before we have that comforting like we're still
Speaker 1: the same show ye beat, And so when this came,
Speaker 1: it was like a sigh of relief, just like there's
Speaker 1: an anchor, I know this relationship, I know these two people. Um,
Speaker 1: it came a little too for me. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: no offense to that actor, but just that introducing that character,
Speaker 1: it's like, geez, just too many, you know to get there.
Speaker 1: This is also this is also from something that we
Speaker 1: talked about I think in a previous episode though. This
Speaker 1: is something where this also shows the detriment of binge watching,
Speaker 1: because if you go right from the last episode of
Speaker 1: season one, which was that amazing episode of The I
Speaker 1: Dream of Phoenie where it's kind of a more quiet
Speaker 1: episode of Ben and Phoenie having these great kind of
Speaker 1: uh scenes together, and it's very well acted and very
Speaker 1: earnest to this kind of craziness right away. It's even
Speaker 1: doubly as jarring. Um, so I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got a summer off before you jump back in,
Speaker 1: it's not nearly as bad. Yeah, quite possibly. So Mr
Speaker 1: Simpleman says Corey got on his nerves and then Phoenie
Speaker 1: gives Corey a break and says get out of his face.
Speaker 1: But then Corey realizes his next classes with Mr Feeney,
Speaker 1: but he can't even say his name. So it's a
Speaker 1: such a Michael Jacob's read Mr Mr this is where
Speaker 1: he talks about the caning. Yes, yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: obviously because that had Remember that was big in the country.
Speaker 1: That was like the number one news story was Michael
Speaker 1: Fay in the country in Singapore where he was a
Speaker 1: guy who was going to be cane for vandalizing cars, yeah, graffiti,
Speaker 1: vandalized something like that, and they was gonna be cane
Speaker 1: to like in the public square. So this was right around.
Speaker 1: We can obviously tell they were throwing that in the area.
Speaker 1: By the way, I am not a genius. I had
Speaker 1: to google the guy's name just for the record that
Speaker 1: it was Michael Fay. But I remember that whole caning
Speaker 1: thing was like a big deal, right, what a big deal?
Speaker 1: I wonder if that would ever matter now, Like, why
Speaker 1: was that a thing? I don't know. Also, I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's part of the reason they said mr fahe r. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're in the school hallway. Harley catches up to Corey
Speaker 1: sarcastically thanks him for giving him detention all week. Harley
Speaker 1: asks Corey to meet him by the senior bathroom at
Speaker 1: three pm because he's going to kill him and punch
Speaker 1: the kid. Now, the whole wave. Just if you want
Speaker 1: to beat somebody up, beat him up and walk, because
Speaker 1: then you're already alone. Why wait, But you know, when
Speaker 1: this show took place in the nineteen fifties, that's what
Speaker 1: you did. You made up they were going to rumble
Speaker 1: after they had their you know, they're driving their fifties cars. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, actually, I think the thought processes. If it's
Speaker 1: after three, if it's after school hours, the school can't
Speaker 1: punish you for it in their own even I know
Speaker 1: on the in the bathroom they could. But like the
Speaker 1: reason people would say meet me in the parking lot
Speaker 1: at three o'clock is because like behind the library. Library.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, Andy foss shout out to Andy Fosse, and
Speaker 1: I got a new fist fight. I lost badly. Okay,
Speaker 1: just for the record, thank you Andy. So we're in
Speaker 1: the school cafeteria. Mr Phoenie hands Mr Turner at comic
Speaker 1: book and Turner admits, yeah, he signed its dynamic. By
Speaker 1: the way, I know was a really nice because it
Speaker 1: was like, ah, now Turner's part of the group, and
Speaker 1: and being questioned there's tension between the teachers. Teachers really
Speaker 1: different and Greek actually has a foe, like a real
Speaker 1: not just a child, you know. Um, so, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought this was great. He Phoene says he knows Turner
Speaker 1: is the new groovy teacher, but Phoene says he wants
Speaker 1: the students closer to his level, and then a rivalry.
Speaker 1: We see the rivalry between the two of them has started,
Speaker 1: and then the two nerds from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: episode walk in. Another opportunity for Lee Norris to have
Speaker 1: been a shining Star in this episode, but they get
Speaker 1: hit by doors that Corey then opens up yea, and
Speaker 1: they of course then say the same thing they just
Speaker 1: said again. Uh. Corey wishes lunch was mac and cheese
Speaker 1: so that when Harley punches him later he would puke
Speaker 1: all over him and make a your mess. Sean says
Speaker 1: they need Eric's help, and Eric is actually nearby eating
Speaker 1: lunch with the two girls we saw earlier, Marguerite Moreau,
Speaker 1: who was later known for tons of work including Mighty
Speaker 1: Ducks and Wet Hot American Summer. She was so nice,
Speaker 1: she was She was absolutely well wonderful actress and a
Speaker 1: very nice person. That's what I remember most about her. Well,
Speaker 1: so Sean goes over to Eric and the girls. They're
Speaker 1: flirt with him too. I know Sean's got game apparent
Speaker 1: has started to become the girl magnet yep, were you
Speaker 1: teen magazine guy by this point by season two? Had
Speaker 1: it started yet? I must have been right? It must
Speaker 1: like I'm wondering if they're playing into that now, because
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we've got to break out, you know,
Speaker 1: teen idol. Let's write to that question, because you went
Speaker 1: right to girls now, I mean, you're instantly like they're
Speaker 1: starting to switch. This is where Eric and Sean starts
Speaker 1: to switch, where all of a sudden, it's you're you're
Speaker 1: a girl crazy right, so uh, Sean says at three o'clock,
Speaker 1: Eric actually won't have a brother if he doesn't help.
Speaker 1: Eric pretends to drink water at the water fountain, will
Speaker 1: talking to Corey, uh slightly helping him get out of
Speaker 1: trouble by going to the nurses station. Yeah, pretended to
Speaker 1: be sick. Go to the nurse station and then wait
Speaker 1: for mom and dad to pick you home or pick
Speaker 1: you up, or you could just fight the guy if
Speaker 1: you don't want to look like a coward. And then
Speaker 1: Harley furiously walks into the lunchroom and asks who took
Speaker 1: the last piece of chicken, which Corey happens to be holding,
Speaker 1: so he immediately drops it. And then Eric walks away
Speaker 1: and says, do not attempt to recontact me. And I
Speaker 1: thought Ben's line of how did you how did you
Speaker 1: do this? You know, you ruined this in a day,
Speaker 1: and he's like, it didn't take me the whole day,
Speaker 1: how badly in a day? It didn't take me the
Speaker 1: whole day. Take me the whole day that was so
Speaker 1: funny and absolutely great beat. Yeah. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: really cute This was a really cute brother moment. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Another episode I have to say where I
Speaker 1: don't like particularly like the episode. But again Ben is
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, Ben is really good, and especially this
Speaker 1: scene he's dropping the chicken out of his hand. He's
Speaker 1: hitting some beats that are very very funny. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then we're in the nurse's office. Corey sits next to
Speaker 1: the two nerds and they are comparing their injuries. They
Speaker 1: say they're going to sit in this nurse's office every
Speaker 1: day to get picked up and stay safe. Corey asks
Speaker 1: if they think other kids will call them cowards and
Speaker 1: they don't care. Corey does care. He says he is
Speaker 1: not going to fake an injury. He's going to go
Speaker 1: get a real one. Would you guys have cared? Yes?
Speaker 1: If if people like would you have wanted to take
Speaker 1: the easy like, would you guys have got I mean,
Speaker 1: Will said he just got into a fight in high school.
Speaker 1: You go to the fight. You go to the fight.
Speaker 1: There's sometimes if a bully is standing in front of you,
Speaker 1: the only thing you can do is punch him in
Speaker 1: the nose. You might lose, but you're gonna fight. That's
Speaker 1: just I don't know if that's the way just the
Speaker 1: way I was raised. You never start a fight, but
Speaker 1: if you can finish it, you do. And that's that's
Speaker 1: really gotten fights in high school, like grade school. I
Speaker 1: remember are six people in your high school you said,
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, this was my I mean, this
Speaker 1: was my I was already working, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't all in with But no. Sometimes again, what
Speaker 1: do they say that the rider I'm sure you know
Speaker 1: the quote better than I. What is it? The uh
Speaker 1: a hero dies, but once a coward dies, a thousand
Speaker 1: deaths something like that, because it's because you you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep dying inside if you don't stand up
Speaker 1: for yourself. So that was very real to me, and
Speaker 1: that resonated to me where it's like, this is going
Speaker 1: to determine your your life now for the rest of
Speaker 1: your life, because there's people that were bullied that didn't
Speaker 1: stand up that are now in their forties that look
Speaker 1: back at that like that changed my life. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: there's also there's also the insinuation that it's sort of
Speaker 1: a little bit of blaming the victim with these guys right,
Speaker 1: like they're because they're being nerdy, like they want to
Speaker 1: continue being coward, Like they shouldn't be in this position
Speaker 1: to begin with. There should not be situations. Not some
Speaker 1: giant older kid is a situations like that all the time.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's there shouldn't be but but but
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily need to go to a fight in
Speaker 1: order to not be a coward. You can also find
Speaker 1: other ways of managing a situation. And of course I
Speaker 1: just wanted to for of course this show is again
Speaker 1: in this retro mode of like, you know, there's the
Speaker 1: nerds and they're just gonna be weekly and they're going
Speaker 1: to take the easy ways before being nerds was cool
Speaker 1: and and uh yeah, no, I agree, there's obviously other
Speaker 1: ways to go about it, but they're trying to make
Speaker 1: it as cartoony again cartoony possible one avenue or the
Speaker 1: other avenue, And we're making it as blatantly cartoony as
Speaker 1: we possibly can. I'd just like to shout out to
Speaker 1: the nerd what would be called Nerd number two because
Speaker 1: I referred to call refused to call him lemkey, but
Speaker 1: he was pretty funny. I thought with the whole and
Speaker 1: I've got ASTHM and he's like, oh yeah, you win,
Speaker 1: Like he that was he had some funny beats as
Speaker 1: an actor. I thought he had some funny beats, but
Speaker 1: with what they were given. Well. It is now three
Speaker 1: pm in the school hallway and Mr Turner sees Corey
Speaker 1: sitting there. Corey asks if the guy in the Odyssey
Speaker 1: gets home alive, and Turner says he does after facing
Speaker 1: few obstacles, and then he's off for the day. He
Speaker 1: starts to leave. Sean runs over to support Corey, but
Speaker 1: then a girl walks by and he leaves with her
Speaker 1: immediately again Sean's got game. And then Corey is about
Speaker 1: to leave himself at three oh five, but then Harley
Speaker 1: opens the bathroom door and is ready to brawl Corey
Speaker 1: in the whole way again like there is still in
Speaker 1: the schools, Like what the hell's the point still there? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't have parking lot set apparently, so Corey is
Speaker 1: about to leave. Corey says he would rather be dead
Speaker 1: than the school coward for the next six years, so
Speaker 1: he's ready to get beat up. So we mentioned that
Speaker 1: we would be in the school for six more years.
Speaker 1: But then we're only in the school for four but anyway,
Speaker 1: uh so he's ready to get beat up, and then
Speaker 1: Harley gets into position, but then Eric jumps over the
Speaker 1: law man. I thought it was so cool, and I
Speaker 1: remember jumping over the wall being like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is awesome. That's you undercut it with a joke
Speaker 1: right away. It was like, as it was happening, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh god, this feels really lazy, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, of course Will is going to save it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a fun beat. I remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking to myself like, oh, they're gonna keep
Speaker 1: me in the show. Like essentially, they're working Eric into
Speaker 1: the show where he's still be a matter in the
Speaker 1: show because again we've now Lee's gone and we don't
Speaker 1: know he was coming. Who's going what's going to happen
Speaker 1: right now? They're going in a bunch of new characters.
Speaker 1: My oh my god. My dad was convinced that that um,
Speaker 1: Harley was going to become the new Fanzie and Eric
Speaker 1: was slowly going to be taken off the show. He
Speaker 1: was convinced. Oh my my dad was He's like, you
Speaker 1: got it, you got it, you got you think that's
Speaker 1: going to happen. You know. I think he called my
Speaker 1: agent like all that kind of stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, Dad, it's gonna be fine, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. Um. But yeah, they were they thought they
Speaker 1: were doing that whole new dynamic and that was gonna
Speaker 1: be it. So yeah, strange. Wow, Well, Eric is going
Speaker 1: to defend Corey. He jumps in front of Harley and
Speaker 1: he only admits that Corey is his brother and you
Speaker 1: guys work together, which is very cute. Harley begins to
Speaker 1: push Eric, but Mr Turner appears and stops the confrontation.
Speaker 1: Harley asks who he is, not knowing that Mr. Turner
Speaker 1: is a new teacher, but he learns quickly. Mr Turner
Speaker 1: plays the cool guy and asks Harley not to kill
Speaker 1: his students, and Harley realizes he couldn't take Mr Turner,
Speaker 1: so he leaves that's I know, it's really cute. Was
Speaker 1: that could I thank you? Nah? I could have taken
Speaker 1: the kid though. It is crazy how much contemporaries though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like age wise, it's mind yeah, of course. Uh So
Speaker 1: Corey thinks Mr Turner and then he thinks his brother Eric,
Speaker 1: who in turn pretends not to know him again, which
Speaker 1: again I thought that was all very cute. Listen, I
Speaker 1: was there for you when I need when you needed me.
Speaker 1: But we're back to status quell and I'll talk to
Speaker 1: me again. Uh. And then Corey tells Sean he can
Speaker 1: get out of the locker now, which I thought, how
Speaker 1: do we know he's in the locker. I didn't know
Speaker 1: he was in the locker, and and Corey did not
Speaker 1: see him go into the locker, like I just went
Speaker 1: off camera. So yeah, that was weird. I exactly was like,
Speaker 1: what it's also, I'm sorry to point this out kind
Speaker 1: of weirdly, but you have to imagine she's Eric's age
Speaker 1: because they were having lunch, so she's in the locker
Speaker 1: with the seventh grader Junior high. A little strange, saying
Speaker 1: little odd, little odd. Again. I guess the idea is
Speaker 1: that if you're in the same school, and that's why, truthfully,
Speaker 1: that's why schools are set up that way, is so
Speaker 1: that adult ish style teens are not in school with
Speaker 1: people who are supposed to be twelve or who are twelve.
Speaker 1: Someone who's seventeen in a locker with somebody who's twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen is a little creepy, I just think, but
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's again a lot of it maybe
Speaker 1: more than a creepy, but again I think so much
Speaker 1: of it was like, suspend your disbelief about what's going
Speaker 1: on here. Just even eighteen year old actors us and
Speaker 1: we don't have to deal with kid hours. That's not
Speaker 1: just that, but also let's get to as many laughs
Speaker 1: as possible and also appeal to maybe what was an
Speaker 1: ABC mandate of aging us up that they wanted a
Speaker 1: high school show, but we started off being eleven, and
Speaker 1: so how do you go from the govern production I
Speaker 1: think it's purely production concerns. They were they were sick
Speaker 1: and tired of not having the hours and not having
Speaker 1: the time and having to deal with more teachers and
Speaker 1: more kids. So it was like, let's cut down the
Speaker 1: kid cast. So essentially at this point was you, me
Speaker 1: and Ben. That was it for the That was it,
Speaker 1: Like we would didn't try again with anybody. Know, everybody
Speaker 1: else was an eighteen plus, and it was like so
Speaker 1: they could have they could work extra hours, they didn't
Speaker 1: have to have teachers and didn't have the social workers,
Speaker 1: didn't have to have parents, so like everybody was older.
Speaker 1: I mean, how old were Blake and Ethan in your
Speaker 1: life at this point my age or older? Actually, they
Speaker 1: might have been older the Baker, I think, and they
Speaker 1: might have been older than me by this point, and
Speaker 1: Danny must have been like at least yeah, So it
Speaker 1: was yeah. No. I also think you could argue that
Speaker 1: they made it as cartoony as possible because they're in
Speaker 1: this new mythical high school world and it just the
Speaker 1: giant cartoon. Because I'd like to think, and again, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the show in years. Ridy you've never seen it. Daniel,
Speaker 1: you haven't seen in years. I think it grounds itself,
Speaker 1: I hope. So I think I think the out Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too. So maybe it's the first day
Speaker 1: is supposed to be this crazy look and it's supposed
Speaker 1: to give us this feeling yes, comfortable, Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't recall it being this outlandishly off the wall with
Speaker 1: teachers like Marion coming in, Like I I think this
Speaker 1: was a one off. I'm hoping this was a one
Speaker 1: off and it's gonna it's gonna come back down to earth,
Speaker 1: we can hope. So the the locker is opened and
Speaker 1: Corey sees that Sean is in there, with a girl,
Speaker 1: and he says they're big lockers in high school, which
Speaker 1: it is very funny, and then we get into our
Speaker 1: end credits and we wrap up the episode. In the
Speaker 1: Matthews living room, Corey walks in, saying his brother is Eric,
Speaker 1: the great one Matthews. Eric says an older kid was
Speaker 1: picking on Corey and he hates it when people do that,
Speaker 1: and then he himself picks on Corey and grabs the about.
Speaker 1: Morgan grabs the remote next and takes full control of
Speaker 1: the TV. The family falls into place. She yells, everybody
Speaker 1: stopped talking. I'm watching TV. And then now that's power,
Speaker 1: Morgan says. And we end the episode, and that was
Speaker 1: a big laugh for Indie. She's in control. He's just
Speaker 1: like ye still like yeah, it's really funny, that's great.
Speaker 1: And he was definitely weirded out by me being in
Speaker 1: the locker with a girl. Oh really, I don't I
Speaker 1: just don't know how we're going to deal with this
Speaker 1: now that I'm gonna be making out. I started prepping
Speaker 1: him out. I was like, yeah, that's gonna be happening
Speaker 1: a lot more. But really, yeah, is he still enjoying
Speaker 1: watching it? Yeah? I mean he definitely. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the second season is gonna be interesting. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really different. I think this episode felt off,
Speaker 1: you know, like basically after the first scene, I don't
Speaker 1: think he was comfortable again until now were we Like
Speaker 1: he was leaving the house made and leaving the regular
Speaker 1: characters made him uncomfortable. I think Phoeney as a principal
Speaker 1: was cool. He liked that. But yeah, he's very much
Speaker 1: still you know, he's still in the Little Kids Well
Speaker 1: season as his favorite character of Morgan. I have bad
Speaker 1: news for him. Oh jeez. So the next episode we
Speaker 1: are going to recap is season two, episode two, pairing Off,
Speaker 1: which already sounds like bad news for India as well.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it, but pairing Off sounds
Speaker 1: like it's someone's kissing someone and it originally aired September.
Speaker 1: And there we go, guys, I'm super uncomfy. I hope
Speaker 1: I hope we get I hope we get. Come for
Speaker 1: your later. I'm thinking the next episode that pairing Off
Speaker 1: is the one with the second one with Marguerite Moreau,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be comfy. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: if memory serves, there's some some conversations to have with
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, we're I really did. I got the chills.
Speaker 1: We're settling back down here. Is it time to bring
Speaker 1: that therapist on yet? Are we to do that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of a but I'm uncomfortable even with the
Speaker 1: classroom facing the opposite direction, and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this isn't right. This isn't right. And I worked in
Speaker 1: that classroom, like is this the way the classroom was
Speaker 1: all season like? But I'm just like, no, no, that's okay, right,
Speaker 1: hate do this because I know that producer husband Jensen
Speaker 1: carp Um does the bulk of the reading and then
Speaker 1: and then sends it out to us. But I'd be
Speaker 1: really curious if everybody else felt as uncomfortable by watching this.
Speaker 1: Please send us your emails, Yeah, because I'm curious if
Speaker 1: they're like, no, it didn't bother me at all. There's
Speaker 1: no that's uncomfortable. They've watched it a million times. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're watching if people are going in
Speaker 1: order like us, Yeah, I am curious. I think that
Speaker 1: there is people I liked it, Tara liked it, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think there are people who really gravitate towards first
Speaker 1: season point it's World, and then there are people who
Speaker 1: really like later season Boy MEAs World, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think that we're just We're just kind of in
Speaker 1: the in between right now. I'm hoping we get more
Speaker 1: comfort well. But I have to say I always thought
Speaker 1: first season a boy Meets World in my memory, having
Speaker 1: not seen it, I always thought the first season was
Speaker 1: pretty bad too. That was my assumption. So we didn't
Speaker 1: know what our show was and that we became a
Speaker 1: better show, and that is completely reversed right now. I
Speaker 1: think the first season was spectacular. I love it for
Speaker 1: all the you know, little kid coziness of it, and
Speaker 1: I am terrified about what's to come. I think we
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta chalk this up to It was a
Speaker 1: whole different experience for us. It was a whole different
Speaker 1: experience for our crew. We had new producers. We're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna fall into it again. We're gonna find ourselves,
Speaker 1: we're gonna find our rhythm, and this was just a
Speaker 1: jarring one off. I think ye were forward like that
Speaker 1: will be fine. Yeah it was. There's definitely some growing
Speaker 1: pains um and that show we should recap. Uh just
Speaker 1: so you guys know so Tara said she liked it,
Speaker 1: husband Jensen producer Jensen Carp was completely jarred, like just
Speaker 1: absolutely thrown off, had no idea what was goinging on.
Speaker 1: Felt the same way we did. Very uncomfortable and um uh.
Speaker 1: Jackie says it was jarring as well. So there we are. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was nice recapping with you guys, will sign us off.
Speaker 1: We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is
Speaker 1: an I heart podcast produced and hosted by Daniel Fishel Wilford,
Speaker 1: l and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen Carp and Amy
Speaker 1: Sugarman Executive in charge of production, Daniel Romo, producer and editor,
Speaker 1: Tara sup Box producer, Jackie Rodriguez, engineer and Boy Meets
Speaker 1: World super fan Easton Allen. Our theme song is by
Speaker 1: Kyle Morton of Typhoon and you can follow us on
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