WEBVTT - TGI - Episode 201 "Back 2 School" 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.120 Hey, it's Wilfred l here. Now, before we get into 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:05.320 the new episode of Pod Meets World, I have a 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:09.879 major announcement. Yes, just in time for the thirtieth anniversary 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:13.920 of Boy Meets World. Where on YouTube. That's right, you 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.880 can now see our faces and action, which I guess 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.840 is a good and bad thing. But okay, so we're 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.239 gonna put up twenty episodes from season one, some of 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.440 our favorites, so you can experience our looks of surprise, embarrassment, 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.600 and pure joy with both your ears and your eyeholes. 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.000 So go to our YouTube channel, it's just Pod meets 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.479 World to see the first few episodes and subscribe for 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.879 all new releases and let me know what you think 0:00:36.920 --> 0:01:00.240 of a face. I have some news, guys. Okay, you 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.240 have heard, dear listener. We have talked a lot about 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.120 April Kelly and where is April Kelly and what is 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.800 the story of April Kelly? And I was able to 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.200 track her down and she reached out to me. I 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.279 reached out to her, She got back to me right away. 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:22.160 We had a wonderful conversation and I asked her on 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.399 behalf of Will and Writer and myself. I asked her 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.800 if she would be a guest on our pod, and 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:34.720 it didn't take her long to say no before we 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.880 got out, would you know. Yeah, it was pretty much 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:44.800 like that. She's been incredibly private, right. Yeah, she's basically 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.640 left Hollywood. She moved away, and she moved away. She 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.640 has a curly separate career. I mean, she has an 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:55.840 incredible Hollywood career. She's had multiple incredible careers. Um, and 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.559 she yeah, she's overall just kind of an incredible, fascinating 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.680 her sin And she said she just doesn't want to 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.640 dip her toe back into this world. And it had 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.799 nothing to do with our dear listeners, That had nothing 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.960 to do with the three of us. Um, she just 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.919 wasn't interested. But what she was interested in doing was 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.760 writing me a letter that I could read on the podcast, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.079 so that her, her voice and her words, um had 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.840 a place, but that they she just wasn't gonna appear 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.079 on the podcast. So, without further ado, here is a 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:33.799 pod Meets World letter from April Kelly. Greetings to all 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.480 you pod meets World listeners. I bet some of you 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.960 think acting on a TV show must be the sweetest 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.000 gig on earth, especially for a kid. Let me give 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.600 you a sobering dose of reality. It is actual work, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.800 taking up maybe forty hours of your week, and you 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.359 still have to go to school. Every show with underage 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.680 actors must have two adults on set tasked with ensuring 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.200 the safety and welfare of those mini tornadoes in human form. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.800 One is the welfare worker who makes sure nobody like 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:06.040 me slap someone upside the head, and the other is 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.800 the teacher who keeps their studies on par with regular 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.280 school so they will not be too far behind their 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.000 peers when the show was canceled or goes on hiatus. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.480 So you have a full time job, You have all 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.840 that study and homework, and on top of that, you 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.440 are dealing with the unique issues that come with working 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.520 on any show. What kind of issues you ask for? Starters. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.440 In order to play to Pengo with those Botta Chelly 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.520 curls we producers decided would be so freaking cool, Danielle 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.800 had to arrive several hours earlier than the rest of 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.280 the cast so her mom and a hairdresser could turn 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.240 her long, beautiful hair into the ten thousand, six d 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:46.600 twenty eight individual ten drils that created the character's iconic looks. 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.480 Maybe it wasn't exactly ten thousand, six twenty eight, But 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.960 trust me, it was a bunch. How long do you 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.360 think you could sit still and be tortured like that? 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:58.120 Or how about Will? He was only seventeen when we 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.680 learned him from New York to l A to play 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.920 Corey's big brother Eric. His parents were back east, and 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.240 he didn't know anybody on the West Coast but his 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.480 own older brother. Can you imagine being that isolated as 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.920 a teenager, especially starting a new job surrounded by a 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.040 bunch of complete strangers and really wanting to impress them 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:18.520 enough to get your career going. As Writer went through 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.520 the normal puberty fueled brooding and angst, he simultaneously appeared 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.040 to wrestle with the very concept of being an actor 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:31.440 at my request. At my request, his teacher occasionally slipped 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.000 me one of his essays or other written assignments, and 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.320 it was obvious even back then that playing best friend 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.360 Sean would only be the precursor of tapping into skills 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.200 he would feel more comfortable with, like writing and directing. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.200 With all that personal challenge, long work weeks and keeping 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.480 up with school assignments, those three child actors never once 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.040 let their personal stress leak through into their performances. To 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.920 Pango was ever the girl whose insight and wisdom came 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.920 wrapped in endearing daffiness. Eric's impish smile and hilarious shallowness 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.440 never undermined his position as protector of his younger siblings, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.359 and Sean remained the supportive and steadfast friend each of 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.839 us wishes we had, even in the face of the 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.040 character's struggles with a family situation that was not always healthy. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:21.440 Their unflagging professionalism sharply contrasted with the childish antics, ridiculous demands, 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.600 and surly attitudes I had run across with adult actors 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:29.520 throughout my career. Because they always behaved with consummate professionalism, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.760 it was easy for me to forget sometimes that they 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.599 were children, which is why I was so delighted that 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.719 first October when the wardrobe mistress called me at home 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.279 to tell me the entire cast of kids intended to 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.839 show up in Halloween costumes the next morning. I remember 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.280 scrambling to find a photographer to capture their spooky finery 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.920 and paying for it myself, as the studio and network 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.640 had no interest in spending their own money to memorialize 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.880 the event in my long career of writing and producing 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.360 situation comedies, one hour dramas, TV movies and miniseries. Those 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.640 photos where I posed with the cast and my four 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.159 ft long flowered clown tie and my high healed sneakers 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.240 represent the one and only time I ever intentionally had 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:15.040 my picture taken with any actor. Ugly studio politics swirling 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.920 far outside the notice of the young cast precluded my 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.200 returning to the show I created for a second year, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:23.440 but I knew quote my kids unquote would be in 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.159 good hands with director David Trainer, also a consummate professional 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.560 and the perfect man to protect them from the worst 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.080 of the disgusting behavior and dismissive attitude displayed by a 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.000 certain other jerk who shall remain nameless. Even though I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.440 spent only one season on Boy Meat's World, I have 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.200 always kept happy memories of that time, and I have 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:47.240 the pictures to prove it. Wow. So there you go. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:55.719 That got me emotional. There's our our letter from a brokelly. 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:02.000 What a lost voice in that room. It's intense that 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:06.880 she was so aware of who we were and um 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.120 what our experience was like, because yeah, I mean we 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.680 we barely were aware. I look back and I'm like, 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:16.920 what was happening? Um, So it's so nice that um, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.200 you know, yeah, and she was there for us. Yeah, listeners, 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.120 you should google her and see what she's done. The 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:29.120 career this woman has had on television, that this woman 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.600 has had, it's phenomenal. It really writes books now too, 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.600 by the way, you guys can find her books mysteries. Yeah, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.560 she can write. I mean she can. She can blow 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.080 doors off. I mean it's insane. Yeah, absolutely, I mean 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.440 I'm sure you can tell from that letter. But check 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.600 out her books and google her and see some of 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.120 the people she's worked with and show she's created and 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.800 helped run and I mean so much too. As we've 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:58.000 learned doing this show. Um, is how many things go uncredited. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.160 You know, how many jobs people get because they come 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.600 in and are asked to fix something somebody else did, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.440 But depending on how much they fixed it, that may 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.440 never even your name never even gets credited. You're just 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.840 kind of discarded and the original person gets all the credit. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:11.480 And so there's a ton of things you know that 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.640 I'm sure she wasn't even credited for. But the things 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:19.280 she's she is credited for. Our mind blowing. So anyway. UM, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:24.120 I I sincerely wish she was willing to be a 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.160 guest on the podcast because I would love for you 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.880 all to hear her voice in her own voice. UM. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:33.840 But with that said, I one hundred percent to understand 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.079 why she does not want to do it. Yeah. We've 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.440 also said from the beginning that we don't ever want 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.800 anybody to come on here and be uncomfortable. The last 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.360 thing we're looking for is trying to have anybody come 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.800 out here and be even slightly uncomfortable about talking about anything. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.719 And so you know, again she if she even has 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.800 that moment of hesitation, then it's like that it's not 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.440 worth it. It's just I know, I want you to 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.719 feel that way. You know. We also asked Lily if 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.760 Lily was interested in coming on and and Lily very 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.640 politely declined, And I wrote her a second time, uh, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:10.960 telling her how much we'd love to have her on, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.000 And she declined a second time, and I said, I 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.760 totally get it. I will no longer bug you, just 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.520 so you know you have an open door policy. If 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.520 you ever change your mind, we would love to have 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.160 you on. Um. And so yeah, for you know, we've 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.240 we've discussed it there's Um, there's a lot of good 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:32.160 and and hard that comes with talking this openly and 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.000 looking at your experiences and looking at yourself in this way. Um, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.480 and I understand why people don't want to do it. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.560 And as always, like I said, Lily, open door policy, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.679 Ben open door policy, April, open door policy. Um, if 0:09:48.720 --> 0:10:00.960 they change their minds, I'd love to have them all right, Well, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.960 call us gluttons for punishment. No break. We talked about it. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.199 Should we take a break between season one and season two? Where? 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.760 Should we just keep going? And you know what, we 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.080 love each other, We love the show and we love 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.600 you guys so much. We decided who needs a break? 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.320 Will sleep when we're dead? Sweet sweet sleep, Sweet sweet 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.600 sleep of death. I'd like to change my vote? Is 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.440 it too late to change my vote? It's a little 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.640 too late? Well, fair enough. I was thinking about it 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.720 before we jump into season two. Do you guys remember 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.520 the hiatus, the summer hiatus between season one and season 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.880 two and what you did and and all that. Do 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.240 you remember also when you heard that the show was 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.680 picked up? Did we know when season? Like? How far 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.640 after season when ended? We did we know? That's an 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.480 interesting question. I kind of I don't remember it did. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.000 Now it seems inevitable that we would be picked up. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.480 So but at the time, like we've talked about, when 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.319 we were filming the last episode, there was the sense 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.760 that it could be the end. So it wasn't for sure, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.120 but I know what our rays were good. I think 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:03.760 we were pretty confident. I think there was there was 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.960 a sense that it could end. You know, there was 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.240 there was no guarantee. Um also, maybe I felt that 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.280 way because we knew people could get fired at any moment, 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.200 but certainly, like I, I like there was a sense. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.000 I remember there was a sense of we were getting 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.880 twenty four share on some episodes, which was a big deal. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.719 And I remember there was a sense that we were hit. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.360 So I actually don't even know if I can't explain 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.800 it perfectly. Four people were watching the show in so 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.960 ratings used to work. The Nielsen ratings used to work. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.760 I mean, I'm assuming they still do, but no one 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.160 really cares about them anymore. As in the same way, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.880 but it used to work that you would have a 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.560 share of the audience um or, and I don't know 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.200 how it worked out. Was at a percentage? Was it 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:51.760 actually twenty four million? Million if I think a million, yeah, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.000 I think, I think. I'm not sure if that's like 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.240 like a Actually the way it worked, but there was 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.360 a shorthand that if you got a twenty four share, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.480 that meant like twenty three million or twenty four million 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.640 people were watching the show, and that was like our bit, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.920 and it was Corey's Alternative Friends was our first episode 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.080 to reach that, and then we continued to hit that 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.800 number on a somewhat regular basis throughout the first season, 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.160 which meant that we were a hit, that we were 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.760 enough to stay on the air. Nowadays, that would be 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.960 like the biggest television show of all time, because I'm yeah, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.439 by the time, I mean when we were getting when 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.719 we got canceled in our seventh season, we were still 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.240 getting like twenty share or whatever, and like only a 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.200 few years later that would have been the number one 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.120 show on television. So you know, I don't mean to 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.160 interrupt in this might make it more confusing, but it 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:37.120 says in TV media planning, a share refers to the 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.840 percentage of households that is exposed to an advertisement measured 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.960 against the total number of households who were watching television 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:49.440 at that specific time, which people. Yes, that's the way. Yeah, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.040 I think that's that's that's what it means. But it 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.600 basically means that that that your show is worth money 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.720 the network because that means that means that they're able 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.319 to turn to advertisers and say, we're getting this kinds 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.480 of numbers, do you want to advertise on this show? 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.000 And so for a show like ours, that's everything because 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.560 that's the network then decides to keep you around. Um yeah, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.800 so I don't I don't know, I just yeah, So 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.959 I didn't remember this correctly. I had thought between second 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.080 and third season I went off and did an ABC 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.080 Movie of the Week, but I actually did it between 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.520 first and second season. Yeah, I did, which is crazy, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.320 like you know, there I and will You ended up 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.839 doing multiple versions of these. But you know, back then 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.320 they would just like cast you in a TV show 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.040 if you were on like on a b R in 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.480 a movie. So ABC did Movies of the Week and 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.840 they just gave me a job, I guess as an 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.440 indication of like how well boy Me's world was doing 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.400 and that I was getting sort of acknowledged as a 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.800 as an actor on this show and like not no 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.680 longer just the two line best friend. They just offered 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.040 me the starring role in this ABC movie of the 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:55.600 Week called Summertime Switch, and so I went off to Jacksonville, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.559 Florida for at least three weeks. It was. It was 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.160 an amazing in cast. Actually, so it's Jason Weaver who 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.600 had been um the singing voice of Young Simba, and 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.840 he was an amazing singer and dancer, uh and actor. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.960 He was UM. He was also in the Jackson five 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.040 movie that had been come out around that time, like 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.360 maybe a year or two before they did a television 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.240 movie about the Jackson five. So he was this an 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:22.640 incredibly talented actor. And we played two guys who go 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.880 to the wrong summer camp, like we have the same name, 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.000 and I'm like the preppy guy and he's like the 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.880 criminal kid, and we I end up at the prison 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.880 summer camp and he ends up at like the rich 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.360 kids summer camp. And so I actually didn't get to 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.200 work with Jason all that much because we were on 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.320 opposite scenes all the time. But also had Soleigh Moonfry 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.760 in it. It had David tom if you guys remember 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.240 David Toms, Patrick Grenna and one of the sand Loot 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.760 guys was in it. When he was him a lot, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.520 So it was a really fun cast. It was just 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.880 basically like it was basically like summer camping in Jacksonville, Florida. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.160 Like I remember I did my first time doing karaoke 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.840 out there, um, and like none of us really cared 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.920 about the movie. Were like, you know, I think I'm 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.040 horrible in this film. I had to play basketball, which 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.160 I think I talked about on this show was the biggest. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.920 But this also explains why my hair is so short 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.000 coming back into season two, because they gave me like 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.160 a super short, preppy haircut, and I'm like, you know, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.600 I don't know. You know, some people have reached out 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.560 to me and said that they love this movie. I 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.880 refused to watch. Oh god, it's so maybe it's amazing. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.840 I'm not going to watch it though, I'm so embarrassed. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.720 But to the rewatch of Summertime Switch podcasts, No, No, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.760 why writer it Similarly to the way you look like 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.840 a child in Boy Meets World, you would look like 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.040 a child in this movie. And so it's not going 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.680 to be like self conscious because it looks like you 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.720 as a grown man on screen. Why would you not 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.160 watch it? I think I'm very bad in and I 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.440 remember having struggles with the director. I remember the director 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.440 wanting me to be funnier and pushing me into you 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.800 know what was probably required, which was to be an 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.640 over the top funny character. And I didn't want to 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.800 be that actor, Like I didn't enjoy that kind of acting, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.120 Like I was not interesting. Like I remember him specifically 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.680 being like, be more like Jim Carrey, you know how 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.960 Jim carried and like, I am not that guy like 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.800 and at the time, I I didn't like that, Like 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.480 I didn't want you know, of course, I wanted to 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.480 be a serious actor. I wanted to be a real actor. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.280 I came from theater. Boy Meets World was not really 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.160 my style like doing, you know. So I just suddenly 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.520 found myself being plugged into this over the top comedy, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.960 which I'm sure is fine. It just wasn't me, you know. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.160 And so I was very uncomfortable the entire time with 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.520 the actual acting. And so when I look back on it, 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.040 I just feel uncomfortable and the like when I've seen screenshots, 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.160 I just it makes my skin crawl. As an experience, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.120 it was super fun off camera, like it we were 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.560 all staying in the same hotel, you know, it's all 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.680 a bunch of kids and our parents and we would 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.640 just play games and hang out and um, it was 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.800 so like it was a good experience as far as 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:55.200 the you know, the friendships that I've forged and the 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.240 relationships we had off camera, but on camera I was 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.080 I was really uncomfortable and unhappy, which you know just happens. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:05.000 I challenge you to doing a Summertimes which rewatch this 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.000 season within as a special episode. We can, we can 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.560 rewatch it and talk about it. You can say no, 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.840 but I'm just throwing it out there with love. It 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.040 would be a it's a safe space and then we 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.760 can do my date with the President's daughter there you go. Yeah, 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.760 but Will is actually great in that if I remember, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.199 I'm phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal that the thing Will was always 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.800 you just always loved acting like you were always so 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.720 comfortable in your skin, and you knew exactly what you 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.720 were doing and who you were, and you were doing 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.480 exactly what you like I grew up wanting to do. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.600 You know, for me, I was always like, why am 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.160 I here? What is happening? And I just always felt, 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.240 you know, out of place? Was always less Jim Carrey 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:47.800 less like Jim Carrey, so, well, what did you do 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.359 during that summer hiatus? This was in some ways of 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.000 a wonderful hiatus for me, and in some ways a 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.760 very horrible hiatus for me. So I was living in 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.399 Los Angeles, I had, you know, was starting my life 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.400 as an adult, and then I had to go back 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.720 and graduate high school. And high school was not a 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.920 good time for me. Um, I did not you know, 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.680 I was not treated real well in high school. I 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.840 didn't have a close group of friends. Um, you know, 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.720 I wasn't going to any of the parties and any stuff. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.719 And then I came back and from being on television, 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.200 I was now one of the popular guys, and and 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.720 they had rewritten history to where all the times I 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:29.600 was not invited to parties, all of a sudden I 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:33.119 was there. So they'd start saying things like remember that party, 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:34.480 and I'd be like, no, I wasn't there, Like yeah 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.159 you were, Yeah, no we hung out that Like, all 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.520 of a sudden, I was rewritten into this history where 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.640 every Friday night I was home with my parents. But 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.200 now everyone wanted to brag about being your friend now. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.800 So it was so the first three months leaving the show, 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.359 was tough because it was like I just wanted to 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.160 get through school. By that point, I was just over 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.880 seas would end in March, and so we would still 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.199 of like most of March, April, May, and then however 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.240 long Intervil. So I had like three and a half 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.159 months of school and I was just over it. I 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.800 wanted to just get out. And and then so once 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.000 once I graduated, it was great because then I went 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.919 and did UM, an awesome show on Nickelodeon. I did 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:17.480 in an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark, 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.000 which is a super cool show and has become like 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.639 a cult hit, and I got to play a character 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.400 we were up in. We shot it up in Montreal, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:28.840 and I got to play a character who's walking home 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.920 through these thick woods. You would have loved it. Writer 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.360 like this, He's a revolutionary work. And it turns out, yeah, 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.600 it turns out that he runs into a character an 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.679 old Rever War soldier. I think we watched it one 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.520 time at your house because I asked, and a ton 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.879 of fun. And my one cool friend from high school 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:47.560 I literally talked to you last night, who I'm still 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.320 really good friends with. UM was an extra and he 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.919 was the guy who He always looked like he was 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.080 forty when when we were in high school. So sitting 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.040 right behind me is is a guy we're supposed to 0:19:58.040 --> 0:19:59.800 be like freshman in high school. It looks like it's 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.919 like sweet Beard. He came up to visit you when 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.919 you were in Montreal. She was my he I was 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.439 not yet eighteen, so I think he was like my 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.359 legal guardian because he was eighteen and a half or 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.320 something like that. So we drove up. We got into 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:13.920 my car. He and I would always take road trips. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.399 He driven across the country a bunch of times with 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:18.240 up Google shout out um and he would. So we 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:20.320 drove up to Montreal from Kenneticut was like a six 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.760 hour drive and we went to checked everything out and 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.800 hung out in Montreal and I got to shoot be 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.720 the best and I got to shoot for It was 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.080 like two weeks and we just had it was just fun. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.639 So it was it was the tale of two to 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.120 hiatuses for me where it started really bad and ended 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.840 really great. And I like writer. I honestly can't remember 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.919 finding out when the show was picked up. I have 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.600 no memory of Actually, I don't know if I got 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.760