1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the battle Ground Podcast. This 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: is a podcast all about professional wrestling. Joined Battle and 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Eli as a breakdown what's going on in the world 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: of professional wrestling with special guests including some of your 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: favorite wrestling superstars. You never know who's gonna stop by 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: now making their way to the microphone. Give it up 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: for the greatest podcast team in the world, Battle and Eli. 8 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: What's up you guys? 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of the Battleground Podcast. Today's episode, 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 3: we have part two of. 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Our conversation with the Raven. 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 3: We talked to them with over about ninety minutes and 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: we wanted to break it up into two parts. We 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 3: wanted to give you part one, which you can go 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 3: back and listen to, talking about the early dance of 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: his careers, wrestling in Memphis and kind of the start 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: of the Raven character. Now this part two, we're gonna 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: get into the later years of him being in WWE 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: and Impact Wrestling formerly TNA at the Fairgrounds, and we're 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 3: gonna kind of go all over the place, and we're 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 3: also gonna talk about Vince Russo and more so, without 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: further ado, we're getting into part two of our conversation 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: with Raven. 24 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 4: So you kind of mentioned your you know, when you 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 4: went back to WWE the around two thousand and two 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 4: thousand and one ish, so you were there. So that's 27 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 4: quote unquote officially when Vince won, you know, he bought 28 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: w CW. You know all that, you know, arguably the 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: biggest time. 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 5: In wrestling history. Blah blah blah. 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 4: What was the what would you say was the biggest 32 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: difference between that second run compared to your first one? 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: And do you have like a specific like a favorite 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: highlight from that run? Is there anything that kind of 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 4: sticks out as like a positive. 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 6: Well, the first run, I was Johnny Polo and the manager, 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 6: and and as much fun as I had with the 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 6: stuff I did with it because I tried to make 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 6: it creative and ever the uh, you know, I didn't. 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 6: It didn't really do anything for me because I wasn't wrestling, 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 6: you know, so, but the second run, which they used 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 6: me terribly. But but fortunately when they did use me, 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 6: I was able to do it. I was able to 44 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 6: work in a style that I enjoyed, which is a 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 6: hardcore style. And I think I had some pretty good 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 6: I think I you know, like my WrestleMania match. I 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 6: was pretty happy with WrestleMania seventeen. 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, the one with you Caine and 49 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: Big Show where you got the window, yeah. 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 6: To the fake last window. 51 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we were just talking about that a couple 52 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: days ago. 53 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 6: Cool and and but I think that the best match 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 6: I had that was with Rhino and Backlash or Judgment 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 6: Day or some one. I forget which one, but the 56 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 6: Yeah he went to Gormy and I moved in he 57 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 6: court and he went went inside the shopping cart. 58 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 6: That was that That was to me, that's as good 60 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 6: a hardcore match as you can have, because see that's 61 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 6: that's that's the difference between my hardcore matches, not the 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 6: not to blow myself, you know, to blow myself, but 63 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 6: the difference between my hardcore matches and other people's is uh. 64 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 6: I keep the psychology. Like most people when they get 65 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 6: in a hardcore match, or they have weapons, instead of 66 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 6: using them judiciously and telling a story like you would 67 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 6: with a regular match, they just start hitting each other 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 6: back and forth, back and forth, and then it doesn't 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 6: have any Then it's just the high spots for high 70 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 6: spots and it doesn't do anything, and it and it 71 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 6: gets old rather quick. Whereas if you have psychology and 72 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 6: don't and wrestle and work the same kind of match 73 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 6: you would without the weapons, but only use them as 74 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 6: as ah as additional as additional weaponry, as as additions 75 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 6: what's the word as extras in the match, just like 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 6: you would run other people in. Just like with people, 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 6: like you have a valet, you have to know how 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 6: to how to have psychology about how to use a valet, right, 79 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 6: you know, most guys just have a valet and they 80 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 6: don't know what to do with her. Yeah, exactly, and 81 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 6: they just stand there and they're the cheerleader, which is fine, 82 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 6: but it's not it's not getting your value out of them. 83 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 6: And to me, having weapons, having extra props just makes 84 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 6: the just makes it more interesting because you can have 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 6: so much more. 86 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 7: Uh. 87 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 6: If I put it this way, it's like having it's 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 6: like it's like it it's like making it into an 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 6: original creative high spot. Like the drop told in the chair. 90 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 6: You know, you could swing a chair and hit a guy, 91 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 6: but anybody can do that, so it dropped hold in 92 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 6: the chair is so much more clever, you know what 93 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 6: I mean? And it also doesn't doesn't kill the guy 94 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 6: like it, you know, it doesn't give him a concussion. 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 6: It's the safest thing in the world. It's probably the 96 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 6: easiest bump there is to take. A cheese grater doesn't 97 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 6: hurt at all, or a pizza cutter, you know. And 98 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 6: and one of my favorite spots ever, I didn't even 99 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 6: come up with Dreamer did, is uh, we're we did 100 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 6: a double knockout, and we're both laying in the arena 101 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 6: and the ring down and while we're both down, U 102 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 6: Dreamer's foots draped over the apron and Beulah tapes with 103 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 6: wrestling tape a frying pan to his ankle. Oh my gosh, 104 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 6: And so we both kind of get up like a nine. 105 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 6: We get up. He goes to kick me with the 106 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 6: foot it doesn't have the frying pan. I catch it, 107 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 6: and then he ends and gears me with the frying 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 6: pan on his ankle. It was so brilliant. That's right 109 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 6: freaking awesome, And that to me is why is how 110 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 6: a hardcore match should be. Use weapons like that where 111 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 6: they become a huge addition as opposed to just another 112 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 6: way to punch a. 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 4: Guy, you know what I mean, Right, if you use correctly, 114 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 4: it can enhance the story. 115 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to use it judiciously. 116 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: Right, Who's whose idea was it for that WrestleMania match 117 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 3: with you big showing Kine for the window and I 118 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: mean just kind of can you kind of give us 119 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 3: a little quick story on that match? 120 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's a memorable match in my opinion. 121 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 6: So the office came up with that, you know, because 122 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 6: Showing Uh and Caine were in it, so they always 123 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 6: get protected. I just got to be I had the 124 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 6: title and so they you know, I was in it. Like, 125 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 6: I can't see them coming up with those spots for 126 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 6: me if I wouldn't have been in that match with 127 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 6: the two of them, you know, I think they would 128 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 6: have went out of their way. But uh, but that's 129 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 6: what they all. But that's why I went through the glass, 130 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 6: you know. That's why neither of those two guys went 131 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 6: through the glass. Not that it was any big deal. Uh. 132 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 6: What else? The the golf carts was supposed to be 133 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 6: so much better than what happened with it. We're supposed 134 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 6: to when we're when I take off driving and shows 135 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 6: in the back, Kane gets in a golf cart and 136 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 6: chases us, and we drive around the arena a couple 137 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 6: of times while he's chasing me, like like he's driving 138 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 6: behind me trying to catch me. And uh, but unfortunately 139 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 6: when I tried to make it exciting when I when 140 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 6: I started driving, so I saw there was a chain 141 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 6: link fence connected to the sidewalk that I was driving 142 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 6: on and I and Show was choking me around the neck. 143 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 6: So I went to swerve into it to bounce off it, 144 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 6: and the car and the chailing fence wasn't attached, so 145 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 6: it just the tires just went off the side of 146 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 6: the road and they went and I couldn't get the 147 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 6: cart that was the thing was too heavy for me 148 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 6: to pick up and get back on the road so 149 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 6: we could keep driving for Cane to chases. So I 150 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 6: ran out into them in front of the cane and 151 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 6: tried to get myself run over to you know, to 152 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 6: make up for it, because uh, I was really disappointed 153 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 6: as one of my one of the biggest spots I'd 154 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 6: ever thought, like I didn't think of it, but that 155 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 6: I could ever have thought of the do is happened? 156 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 6: You know, Cane in a golf cart chasing me in 157 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 6: Big Show in a golf cart. 158 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: That could have been your that was gonna be your 159 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: WrestleMania moment. 160 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 6: Yeah one of them. Yeah. Uh that and the glass 161 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 6: but I guess to make the glass stand out even more. 162 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 6: But uh, but but it didn't happen. But but what 163 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 6: it did happen was the when the tire went off 164 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 6: the side of the road. Uh it cut the something 165 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 6: cut the cable, the power cable. And they said, and 166 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 6: the crew going on the production guys can look to 167 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 6: me after the show and goes, do you know that 168 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 6: you came within like a millimeter of cutting the power 169 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 6: to the entire. 170 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: H oh wow. 171 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, So, thank goodness that didn't happen. 172 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 4: I will comment, I did like the way that the 173 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: presentation of Raven changed and so you kind of, you know, 174 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: you kind of graduated from the you know, the leather 175 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: and the concert t shirts and all that and kind 176 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: of went I know at one point she kind of 177 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: had like the war paint thing going on, and I 178 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: think you had dreads the one time. So I think 179 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 4: it was a cool evolution, Like, you know, you may 180 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: not have been used properly, but it was like at 181 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: least the look was cool. 182 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you. It means a lot. 183 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 5: I think we're on twelve battles that right, Yep, you go. 184 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: So one of your biggest achievements in the ring is 185 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: being a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion, though it was 186 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: aligned with T and A and not a standalone promotion. 187 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: Have you gotten a chance to check out the relaunch 188 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: NWA and if so, what are your thoughts about it 189 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: thus far? Because we talked earlier on the show about 190 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 3: studio wrestling and how you enjoyed that, and that's now 191 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: what n w A is doing. 192 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 6: The Well, it's not that I enjoyed studio wrestling. I 193 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 6: enjoyed it because that's all there was. 194 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the only option. 195 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 6: Yeah. Once I saw House show wrestling like on UWF, like, 196 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 6: nothing was gonna you know, replace that. You know, it 197 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 6: was hard to go back. And that's a good thing 198 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 6: about Portland too, where I spent two years. It was 199 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 6: the House Show TV like they filmed at the Portland 200 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 6: Sports Arena, which was actually a bowling alley that Don 201 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 6: Owens bought and converted into an arena. I hold like 202 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 6: three thousand, a little over three thousand people, and that 203 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 6: place was amazing, you know, And but so their TV 204 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 6: was a ninety minute show that regularly out did Saturday 205 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 6: Night Live in their ratings in Portland. Oh ok, yeah, 206 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 6: it was huge. It was an institution there and but 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 6: it was so cool because it wasn't a studio show. 208 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 6: It was you know, it was taped in front of 209 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 6: you know, always at least one thousand people, you know, 210 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 6: fifteen hundred, two thousand, twenty five, three thousand. You know, 211 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 6: it was a it was a hot period. I was 212 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 6: there when I was there, luckily when the n W 213 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 6: A Billy Corgan is a good friend of mine, so 214 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,479 Speaker 6: so you know, I like Billy. I like his creativity. 215 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 6: You know, I went there a couple of times to 216 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 6: visit him, just to hang out, and it seems like 217 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 6: some good stuff he's got going. But I don't watch 218 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 6: a lot of current wrestling though. I stopped back when 219 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 6: the WWE had the Invasion Angle and they did nothing 220 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 6: with us, like it just kind of broke my heart, 221 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 6: and uh and I and I kind of stopped watching 222 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 6: the wrestling at that point, and uh and I never 223 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 6: got back into it because I'm a completist, So I'd 224 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 6: have to watch every show, which I don't know, you know, 225 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 6: I don't have time for that. But if I watched 226 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 6: like if I watched RAW, I'd have to watch SmackDown 227 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 6: and NXT, you know, because I want to know what's 228 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 6: going on and everything, and then i'd have to watch AW. 229 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 6: I did watch some AW when it came out, and 230 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 6: and I like it a lot. Thing to do a 231 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 6: really good job. 232 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 5: We were. 233 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: We all kind of marked out during the one match 234 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: where you, uh, I guess rejuvenate the old Raven of 235 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: sitting in the audience. 236 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 6: Yeah that was great, Yeah, thank you. That was that 237 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 6: was their idea that I was there to visit and uh, 238 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 6: just to hang out because it was in Atlanta, and 239 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 6: they said, hey, you mind be going out there and 240 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 6: being a red herring. I'm like sure, not a problem. 241 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 3: And then that's when the internet rumors started going around 242 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 3: that Raven could be the Chosen One that is now 243 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: Brodie Lee. 244 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 6: But yes, I was chosen not to be the chosen one. 245 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 246 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 4: Well it was cool that they did that with you 247 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: in Atlanta, with your history with not only living there 248 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: in w CW, but also you did that same gimmick 249 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 4: in WCWS. 250 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 5: Ad all kind of like tied together. Yeah, as far 251 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 5: as I go, but. 252 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 6: I will say this. I think it's a good idea 253 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 6: to use me for that, to be honest, because like, 254 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 6: if I was going to book it, i'd book somebody 255 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 6: who still wrestled, you know, because you'd want the guy 256 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 6: to be able to wrestle still, you know, And I can. 257 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 6: I can. I can cobble together a match, but not really, 258 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 6: you know, I mean, like a house show matches I 259 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 6: can do, but you know, I don't. I don't want 260 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 6: to take a chance of getting you know, a serious 261 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 6: injury at fifty five. You know, I'm more of a 262 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 6: running guy. So I think it's as much, you know, ultimately, 263 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 6: as much as I would have liked to have done it, 264 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 6: I think it's a much better idea that they have. 265 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 6: They have Brodie Lee doing it, because he's gonna still 266 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 6: be able to work, you know, and he's and I 267 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 6: don't know what his promo skills are like, but obviously 268 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 6: you must have some kind of skiller else they wouldn't 269 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 6: have picked him. So right, But I liked the idea 270 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 6: they won with the wrestler, you know, not you know, 271 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 6: not with me, although I would have been more than 272 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 6: more than honored to do the you know, to be 273 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 6: that guy but. 274 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you know something something that I can remember 275 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: and I actually talked to Jeff Jared about this a 276 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: few weeks ago when he was on the show, was 277 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: every Wednesday night, I was at the Fairgrounds when it 278 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: was TNA at the Asylum, and I remember when you 279 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: got out there and there was you had an amazing 280 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 3: run in TNA. And the one thing that always stood 281 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: out to me was I was there for the first 282 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: Clockwork Orange Hosson match with you and Sadman, and I 283 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: was telling Eli this, I was like, the match was amazing, 284 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: and the one thing that that kind of stands out 285 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: after rewatching the match was, you know, you get up 286 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: there in the stands and it was I mean, you 287 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 3: and sand Man every time you got together was an 288 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: amazing match, just like you and Dreamer. But I remember 289 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 3: that match very well because it was so great. And 290 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: then I think maybe TNA didn't have very good security 291 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 3: and you went up to that balcony and I think 292 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: maybe either you or Samman kind of got whipped into 293 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: that sign and then that sign fell and hit that person, 294 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 3: and then that was that kind of thing and did 295 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: that kind of you know, what was going through your 296 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: mind through that match? And you know when you brought 297 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: it to them, did they say yes or no? 298 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 6: No. They asked me to come up with a match, 299 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 6: if I remember correctly, and I was like, let's let's 300 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 6: I came out with the name immediately like Clockwork, Arts House, 301 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 6: A fun just sounded like a cool idea, and then 302 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 6: we just had a and I think I might have 303 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 6: even used that termin of promo and so then they 304 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 6: decided to make it into a match. Maybe I'm not 305 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 6: sure exactly, and it's. 306 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: Because I remember it because it was you, Samman, and 307 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 3: I think Sullivan was the referee, and it was like 308 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: the most like when I was solid in person, and 309 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 3: it was like, you know, the chain hanging from the 310 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 3: ring and then the random still cage door and just 311 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: I mean absolutely nuts. That was probably one of my 312 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: favorite matches of all the TNA that I saw every 313 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: Wednesday night. 314 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, and as one of my favorite spots was when 315 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 6: Sandman can't want to do something to me and I 316 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 6: sprayed him with the fire extinguisher, which is great prop 317 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 6: and then I threw him off the balcony with a 318 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 6: through like a double stack of tables. 319 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: Yes, right there next to the stairs. 320 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, and the best part was h was Sullivan was there? 321 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 6: I used to I grew up watching Sullivan, so I 322 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 6: used to love him. And uh, and so he's like, 323 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 6: he's like, uh, I don't have a referee shirt. He goes, 324 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go without a shirt. I go, why don't 325 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 6: we paint some stripes on you? He's like all right, 326 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 6: So I go all right, so great, So he had 327 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 6: me painting referee stripes. 328 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: Incredible. 329 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, kind of piggybacking off of this, this kind 330 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: of encapulates everything. But you know, speaking specifically about TNA, 331 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 4: you were there for close to seven years. Obviously, opinions 332 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: very wildly about the company during that time. It was 333 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: kind of one of those the things they did good, 334 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 4: they were doing very good, and the things they were 335 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: doing bad they were doing very bad. 336 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 5: What do you think? 337 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 6: Let me just say, let me just say, that's how 338 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 6: pro wrestling is. When it's done right, it's really really good, 339 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 6: and when it's done poorly, it's really really really bad. 340 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 5: Right. It's hard that you can't you can't hide it really. 341 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 6: Unless it's really bad, and then it's entertaining just on 342 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 6: its own merriage. But yeah, a whole different things. 343 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a train wreck. 344 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: So in your opinion, you know, you've been removed from 345 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: the company for a while and you're doing your own 346 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 4: thing and they've kind of rebranded and all this stuff. 347 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 5: So I think there's enough times past. 348 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 4: What do you think Impact was doing correctly during your 349 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 4: run and what do you think they did poorly? 350 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 6: Okay? One of my problems, like, I think i'll give 351 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 6: you my thoughts when Vince trusseau and is looking and 352 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 6: now that'll basically tell you what I think. Vince Russo 353 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 6: is incredibly creative. He's very good at coming out with 354 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 6: coming up with ideas and characters for people from the 355 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: middle of the card down. Unfortunately, with main eventers, he 356 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 6: doesn't understand, Like he doesn't believe that the belt is 357 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 6: worth anything because he's like, it's a fake belt. It's 358 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 6: a prop, right, Yeah, it's a prop. And I go, 359 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 6: the whole sport's a prop. You know, it doesn't matter. 360 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 6: He goes, why would you cheer for a fake belt? 361 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 6: I go, why would you cheer for a fake match? Yeah? 362 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 6: I go, you have to agree to suspend this belief. 363 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 6: And so because he can't understand, because he can't rectify 364 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 6: that in his head, I don't agree with his booking 365 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 6: on main events, but you. 366 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 4: Just said I've never heard it explain that way, and 367 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: that just nailed it on the head. 368 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 5: Like everything you just said. 369 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: I'm just flashing and thinking of all these you know, 370 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 4: main event matches he had in WCW and uh you 371 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: know over in the Impact, and I mean I think 372 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 4: you just explained it. 373 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a perfect explanation. 374 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, I mean, so basically, you know, but 375 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 6: he's great at being creative and clever, like he comes 376 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 6: up with some cool stuff, and he's great at filling 377 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 6: the card out. But unfortunately, like the so, but he 378 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 6: can only put allow him to book so much of 379 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 6: the card. And and then Jeff and then Jeff. I 380 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 6: like Jeff a lot. And my only problem with Jeff 381 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 6: was that that Jeff sometimes would play would play his 382 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 6: moods as opposed to business, you know what I mean, Like, 383 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 6: you know, like let's say he didn't like somebody, he 384 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 6: wouldn't use him whether they could draw money or not. 385 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 6: You know. 386 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and so that. 387 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 6: That that I disagreed with. But but look, Jeff hired me, 388 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 6: kept me, kept me employeed for seven years. You know, 389 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 6: I don't even think bad to say about him, And 390 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 6: he's a nice guy. He's a genuinely nice guy. 391 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have one question pertaining to Russ if you 392 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: don't mind. Was I mean, was he like I mean, 393 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 4: this is gonna sound dumb, but I think you'll know 394 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 4: what I'm getting at. 395 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 5: I mean, was he a wrestling fan? 396 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 6: Yeah, a huge wrestling fan. Wasn't wrestling school? He went 397 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 6: to wrestling school, but he but he didn't end up 398 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 6: becoming a wrestler. Yeah, No, he's a huge fan, which 399 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 6: is why I don't get Also, he played a pat 400 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 6: hand too long. You know, the crash TV was started, 401 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 6: was was brilliant when it first happened, but which was 402 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 6: still basically still taking ECW and just taking and making 403 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 6: it on a bigger stage. But but it doesn't matter 404 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 6: who you're in, Like Paulie's influences were other companies, you 405 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 6: know what I mean. So look, I don't think Vince 406 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 6: gets enough credit, but I also don't think I also 407 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 6: think he doesn't. I think he also he doesn't get 408 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 6: enough credit for what he does do well and he 409 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 6: gets but he gets all the all the accurate blame 410 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 6: for the stuff that he doesn't do well. Like that 411 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: that's that's right on target. But but because of that, 412 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 6: he doesn't get any credit for the stuff he does 413 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 6: do well, which which really is a lot of stuff. 414 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 6: I mean, like he's come up with some great you know, 415 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 6: like the WWE when when he was when the attitude error, 416 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 6: like he was filling up the card with characters, you know, 417 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 6: and and uh and ideas you know that. Look, I mean, 418 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 6: you you the main event draws the money, draws the house. 419 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 6: That's that's always been the way it is. And you know, 420 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 6: unless it's the whole company drawing it, which is how 421 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 6: they do it now more or less, you know, but 422 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 6: that's a whole other story. But but the main event 423 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 6: is basically would sells the tickets, but how well the 424 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 6: But that's up to a certain point. And if you 425 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 6: don't have that main event power, then the undercard really 426 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 6: means more. You know, It's it's the icing on the cake. 427 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 6: So if you don't have a strong undercard, it's it's limiting. 428 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 6: You know. It's like the first WrestleMania, I think there 429 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 6: was Hogan versus Bundy or somebody and uh whoever Wogan 430 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 6: was against. But I think the rest of the undercard 431 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 6: was terrible. 432 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, that that first one was him and mister T 433 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: against Pier and or or Orndorf. And yeah, if you 434 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: if you said, I'd give you a thousand bucks to 435 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: name another match on that card. I don't know any 436 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 4: other matches. That's the only one that stood out right, and. 437 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 6: And that that you can that will still draw because 438 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 6: the main event draws. But if you want to get 439 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 6: even more of a how a draw even more, you 440 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 6: need to have some backup, and especially if the main 441 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: event isn't that powerful, you know, and a lot of 442 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 6: times the main event isn't going to be that powerful 443 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 6: because of for whatever reason. 444 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, absolutely, you know we're kind of talking 445 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: about Impact. You were just on Impact Wrestling not too 446 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: long ago, and you know, you came out and helped 447 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: Tommy Dreamer and then all of a sudden right at 448 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: the end and went back to the old Raven and 449 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 3: came Tommy Dreamer. 450 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 6: That's a lot of fun. It's always fun to hit Dreamer. 451 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked to him last summer. 452 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 5: He's awesome. 453 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's great. I think even more fun than now 454 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 6: was talking about it with what's your name? Uh, I 455 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 6: forget her name, it's my mind. I did a promo 456 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 6: with her in the bar Rosemary Rosemary. That's right. So 457 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 6: impressed with Rosemary. She has she has notes and promo ideas. 458 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 6: Like I used to have a book of promo ideas 459 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: that I would just write down whenever I thought of something, 460 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 6: because you know, my memory sucks and uh, and like, 461 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 6: you know, so i'd write a promo and I'd go, oh, 462 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 6: I need a line. I need a good line, and 463 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 6: I'd look through my book find a cool line. And 464 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 6: she does the same thing. And I was really impressed. 465 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 6: And that's the first time I've seen her stuff, and 466 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 6: I was really impressed. But what I was going to 467 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 6: say was that it was so much fun talking about 468 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 6: the love hate I have for Tommy Dreamer, because you know, 469 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 6: it's like it's like, at certain points, you know, do 470 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 6: I hate him? So? Do I still hate them? Do 471 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 6: I love them? And do I love them now? Do 472 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 6: I do? I not want anyone else to beat them up? 473 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 6: Only only I should be able to beat them up, 474 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 6: you know. And uh. And we're gonna be married together 475 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 6: till we're one hundred and six. 476 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 3: You know, right, because when you when you look at 477 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: the history of Raven, there's two people that stand out. 478 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: It's you and Dreamer and you and sand Man. Those 479 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 3: are those are synonymous in my mind of the raven 480 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: you know story. 481 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 5: And Dreamers stole your girlfriend and married her. Right, Yes, 482 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 5: son of a bit. 483 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 6: But but but I'll tell you what though, the the 484 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 6: one the person who impressed me the most when I 485 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 6: was an impact was was Taire. Oh yeah, she's rest 486 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 6: is a heel. Oh my god, Like I heard. I 487 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 6: heard people were telling me when I would talk about it, 488 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 6: they say, yah, it's a babyface. She was just it 489 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 6: was nothing special, but as a heel, it's what she does. 490 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 6: She does so many little things, so many small ticks 491 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 6: and and little little bits and and she just does 492 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 6: so much stuff that there's so much going on and 493 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 6: and everything she does, and it's just it's a wonderful 494 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 6: to watch. You know. I would watch more of her stuff, 495 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 6: you know, if I was going to watch more wrestling. Yeah. 496 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: One of the things that kind of got me back 497 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: into wrestling. I'm one of those that kind of, you know, 498 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 4: stopped for a while and got back into it. Luca Underground, 499 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 4: you know, about five years ago, and they had a 500 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 4: bunch of the indie guys. Ray Masteria was there, but 501 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 4: then like she was there, her husband, Brian Cage, you know, 502 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of actually a lot of 503 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 4: the impact. Her husband's jo John Morre So yeah, yeah, 504 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 4: so he was there, and then also Brian Cage and 505 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 4: some of the. 506 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: Other YEAHO was kind of like one of the head 507 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: guys of it. 508 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 4: I think he booked and he was also on the announcers. Yeah, 509 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 4: but I mean, but you know, I don't even know 510 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 4: why I stopped to watch the program because I hadn't 511 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 4: watch wrestling so long. 512 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 5: It just looks so different. 513 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 4: But I mean, she just like your eyes are drawn 514 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: to her, like she and at that time she was 515 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 4: heel with Johnny so they were kind of a couple 516 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: healed team, which was awesome. So yeah, there, she's really underrated. 517 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 4: She she's really really good. 518 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: So one thing, and we've got two more questions, we'll 519 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 3: wrap this up. One thing we'll always like to ask 520 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: our guests when they've come on, is, uh, you know 521 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: dream match, you wish you could have had an a 522 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: current wrestler you wish you could get in the ring with. 523 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 6: Before It's that I just thought of something. I have 524 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 6: a great idea for a character. When you said they 525 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 6: were a heell team. I started thinking, he'll team six. Oh, 526 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 6: you get some military characters that you can't find anything 527 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 6: to do with. Give them like an insane uh guy, 528 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 6: a colonel somebody like like Apocalypse now, like you know, 529 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 6: like an insane colonel leading the group. You know, if 530 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 6: he'll team six, that'd be amazing. 531 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, or even like the Rock where you're like they're 532 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 4: they're going rogue, so like they have orders for this 533 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 4: and they're like, now we're gonna do our own thing. 534 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 5: And then they're kind of the bad guys. Yeah that's right. 535 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 6: Well they're bad guys and they cheat on everything. But 536 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 6: but they but they have a but they have an 537 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 6: unhinged bossy. It was really mental. And then of course 538 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 6: which sets up each each one at a time turning 539 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 6: baby face on them, you know, because they'll pick on 540 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 6: one of them. But there's so much you can do 541 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 6: with it. But I saw it's a clever name. 542 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 5: He'll Yeah, you should write that down. That's a good one. 543 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: Oh, so what's the question I forget? 544 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: Uh So, dream match you wish dream maatch you wish 545 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: you could have had with somebody and a current wrestler 546 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: you wish you could get in the ring with. 547 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 5: Uh, which may be hard since you don't watch a 548 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: ton wrestling. 549 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 6: But uh, well, I've uh i'd love to work with 550 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 6: Let me think, uh, I would have loved to work 551 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 6: with Chief j Strongbow. He was my hero as a kid. 552 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the uh probably probably with Jake if I 553 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 6: have you know, I would love to have worked with 554 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 6: Jake in my prime and his prime, But of course 555 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 6: they were never the same time. But you know, the uh, 556 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 6: I don't know, there's not I mean, there's a lot 557 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 6: of guys I never worked with. I guess I don't 558 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 6: feel the desire anymore because because I'm past working pretty much. 559 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 6: So it's like so, I guess you know, unfortunately, knowing 560 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 6: that you know that I don't have it in me anymore, 561 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 6: does it it? So it doesn't make me want to 562 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 6: do it anymore, you know what I mean? Like like words, 563 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 6: if I still work regularly, if I was still if 564 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 6: this was five years ago, i'd be like, or maybe 565 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 6: six seven years ago, I'd be like, oh, I definitely 566 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 6: wish I could have worked with so and so. But 567 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 6: now I'm like, damn, you know, it's that's the past, 568 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 6: you know, so, But who I really enjoy is who 569 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 6: was the other question? Who I really like now or 570 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 6: want to work with now? Yeah, nobody in particular. 571 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 4: I guess, Uh, did anybody impress you while you were 572 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 4: at aw when you watch the show? 573 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 6: A lot of a lot of people impressed me. But 574 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 6: but I guess it's the same thing. I just don't, 575 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 6: you know, because I can't, because I can't go like 576 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 6: I would want to go. I I it stunts my 577 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 6: desire to want to to even want to go, I guess, 578 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 6: because I guess it's also a mental like a it's 579 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 6: a mental block I have to keep me from you know, 580 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 6: it's you know a lot of old timers are like, oh, man, 581 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 6: I wish I could still go. I don't want to 582 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 6: feel that way. I do not want to feel that way, 583 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 6: because that's that's gotta be a horrible feeling, right, you know. 584 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 6: And so it's been gradual that it's come on that 585 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 6: I haven't been able to you know that, you know 586 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 6: that I've had to take less and less, you know, 587 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 6: because I got a I got accepted on the rouser 588 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 6: in my neck, which is an inflammation of the neck 589 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 6: and it's really painful when it comes on, and so 590 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 6: I have to I can't take any bumps because I 591 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 6: don't want it to come back. And uh and my shoulder. 592 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 6: I had shoulder surgery on my left shoulder, a half replacement, 593 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 6: and the right one needs one, but I haven't got it. 594 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 6: And the head orthopedic surgeon for the Atlanta Braves he 595 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 6: said I had the two worst shoulders he'd ever seen. 596 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 6: Oh wow, yeah, so yeah, so it's been you know, 597 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 6: but I should have got surgery on him both fifteen 598 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 6: twenty years ago, but I didn't because I didn't want 599 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 6: to take time off, and and so they just kept 600 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 6: getting worse till one I had to finally get and 601 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 6: then the other one. I'm trying to hold off as 602 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 6: long as I can with you know, cortisone shots and whatever. 603 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 6: But I can't even stretch it because stretching it puts 604 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 6: in too much strength on too much damage to it. 605 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 6: So I can't even stretch it to it to make 606 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 6: it healthy. But uh is that would just make it worse. 607 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 6: But so I think I have a mental block about 608 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 6: wanting to wrestle, but I'm glad I do because if 609 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 6: I did, I would be really tough now with so 610 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 6: many newer young guys, you know, like I mean, look, 611 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 6: Sammy Callahan, you know, or you know uh or who 612 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 6: else I'm trying to think. Who else did I see that? 613 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 6: I liked it? Uh? I love the way Sammy Callahan moves, 614 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 6: like his body language is so so brilliant. 615 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 5: He's really good. 616 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 6: Uh. But I like an Ae W. Cody's tremendous uh. Omega, 617 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 6: you know that whole gang. You know, I'd love to 618 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 6: work with those guys because I could add so much 619 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 6: all my little tricks and twists and turns. I could 620 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 6: add the word, you know, from the psychology aspect that 621 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 6: they don't know and may and may never learn because 622 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 6: very few people do know it. You know. It's like 623 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 6: there's a lot of guys that have a lot of 624 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 6: guys have the same knowledge I do. But having knowledge 625 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 6: and being able to pass it on is two entirely 626 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 6: different things. And some people just have that skill naturally 627 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 6: that they don't even know why they do it, but 628 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 6: they always choose the right thing, you know. And whereas 629 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 6: I had to figure it out the whole like because 630 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 6: I wasn't a great athlete, I had to figure out 631 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 6: everything to you know, precisely to make it everything work. 632 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 6: And so I had a It's like it's like being 633 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 6: a stand up I do stand up comedy, and uh, 634 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 6: but I wasn't funny as a kid, so I had 635 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 6: to learn to be funny and understand what makes a 636 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 6: joke work, as opposed to a guy who's just naturally 637 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 6: funny and just it's just funny, you know. So there's 638 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 6: so many things I could teach guys like that, not 639 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 6: that they don't, not that they aren't amazing, but they 640 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 6: could take them to a whole other level, which I 641 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 6: really wish I would have got an oortunity to. But 642 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 6: you know, maybe I will someday. Maybe I won't, but yeah, 643 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 6: but I do want to pass on my knowledge. 644 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 4: So would you, you know, say, say, aw, I mean 645 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 4: that you you just worked with him obviously, so let's 646 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 4: just say they called and they offered you a spot 647 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 4: as a booker, producer or trainer. I mean, would that 648 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: be something you'd be interested in? 649 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 5: Or is it more? 650 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 4: Is it going to be hard to do something like 651 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 4: that because you have the wrestler and mentality in your bre. 652 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 6: No, No, that's what toll makes it easier because I 653 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 6: don't have the wrestler mentality. Oh yeah, yeah, because I 654 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 6: don't have any need to put myself on TV. It 655 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 6: would be so like that's if you notice Paulie took 656 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 6: himself off TV during ECW once he built the crew up, 657 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 6: he took himself right off TV because he didn't need 658 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 6: to be there and it's too much work. Paulie always 659 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 6: saw himself as Vince Lombardi. And and that's a that's 660 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 6: a great analogy I don't think many people think of 661 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 6: for wrestling, you know, being a football you know, the booker, 662 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 6: being a football coach. But he knew how to motivate 663 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 6: every player differently. You know, he knew how to get 664 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 6: the best out of each one of us. And uh 665 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 6: and and he also knew that if he was on, 666 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 6: if he was out there, that that's going to take 667 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 6: away time that needs because you know, you have to 668 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 6: prepare your promos. You got to think about it, you gotta. 669 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 6: You know, it's a pain in the ass. Like when 670 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 6: I was in h W A uh the w W territory. 671 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 6: You know there's the it was one of their farm 672 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 6: just farm teams systems. I was booking it, so I 673 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 6: didn't I didn't wrestle at all on it because it's 674 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 6: too much of a pain in the ass. You know, 675 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 6: you got to prepare for your segment, you got to 676 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 6: get ready, you got to go over your match. It's 677 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 6: too much work and the book at your best. So 678 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 6: if I was if I was going to be a 679 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 6: booker somewhere, I wouldn't. I wouldn't put myself on TV 680 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 6: because it's not needed, you know, it's not I would 681 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 6: I would want to devote it to the people that 682 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 6: I'm that I'm crewing, that I'm running the crew, as 683 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 6: opposed to, you know, trying to get myself over. You know, 684 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 6: I would feel I would feel like if if what 685 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 6: they did work, that that got me over, and that's 686 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 6: that what got me over, you know, that would be 687 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 6: my satisfaction that I would need, you know, right. 688 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: So, uh, this is this is kind of the last question. 689 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: This is to get your information out there. Where can 690 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: people keep up with you online? I know you've got 691 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 3: a podcast, and I know that you've got cameo, which 692 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 3: I watch the promo for your cameo and the fact 693 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 3: that you still put Tommy Dreamer in your cameo promo 694 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: that's probably the best thing in the world. 695 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: But where can people keep up with you online? 696 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 6: The Raven Effect Podcast Uh, it's on a new episodes 697 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 6: drop every Monday. Uh, it's a lot of fun. I 698 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 6: try to just talk about things that interest me and 699 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 6: my co hosts. I try not to make it too 700 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 6: much wrestling because you know, I mean, if you want 701 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 6: to listen to a wrestling podcast, you know, there's so 702 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 6: many of them. So mine's wrestling adjacent and uh, you know, 703 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 6: it's because it's got a wrestler and it so it's 704 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 6: wrestler adjacent me. But it's not really about wrestling. It's 705 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 6: you know, but but somehow it seems like wrestling always 706 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 6: comes up somewhere any it'll come up. But uh but 707 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 6: basically it's just me, you know, talking shit. And if 708 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 6: you find me, if you found me entertaining doing this, 709 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 6: then you'd find that show entertaining because it's just more 710 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 6: of that, only much more of it. Because here I'm 711 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 6: trying to you know, not not not give a give 712 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 6: due to my add and go off on weird tangents. 713 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: You know, we can do a part two with Raven 714 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 3: on this show, and we can do that again, so 715 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: that's fine. 716 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 6: But uh yeah, and but mostly I just tweet. That's 717 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 6: the only thing I do. I don't do Instagram it's 718 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 6: too much work and h and on Facebook. Whatever I 719 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 6: tweet goes on Facebook. But basically I just tweet. And 720 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 6: usually I tweet like once a day at six o'clock, 721 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 6: but I usually tweet. I usually set a bunch of 722 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 6: tweets up like three weeks in advance, so I just 723 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 6: put them up there, and then I check them every day. 724 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 6: And and I'll respond to fans. If they say something funny, 725 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 6: I'll respond with funniness back. But if they just go 726 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 6: good stuff, I'm like, whatever, I don't care. I wouldn't. 727 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 6: I want to be engaged. I don't want just you know, 728 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 6: faunnery nothing that anything wrong with people fawning over me. 729 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 6: I have no problem with that. But but I want 730 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 6: snarkiness and funny, and I try to. I try to 731 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 6: bring some funny, some levity to the situation, to the 732 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 6: Twitter situation. But it's at the Raven effect. Is my 733 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 6: Twitter handle and Facebook and everything else. Even I think 734 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 6: I do have an Instagram, but I don't use it, 735 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 6: so I think it's the same thing. 736 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 5: Well, there it is. 737 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: We've been chatting with Raven about wrestling, his career and 738 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 3: all things in between for the past you know, hour 739 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 3: or so, and it has been honored to have you 740 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 3: on the show. When I told Eli that I me 741 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 3: and you had been going back and forth and you 742 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: were coming on the show, like, I think we both 743 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: marked out pretty hard for this one. 744 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 6: So thank you man. 745 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 3: Hopefully, hopefully we didn't try to fangirl out and it 746 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 3: didn't come out in this interview, but we really do 747 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on the show with us today. 748 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 6: No, not a problem. And let me just say that 749 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 6: it's why I don't do a lot of interviews because 750 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 6: it's not that it's it's more that I'm so over 751 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 6: my like talking about my wrestling career. But I understand 752 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 6: that people want to hear about it. But it's like everybody, 753 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 6: you know, once you ask similar questions, although you asked 754 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 6: much better questions than most people. 755 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 5: Nice, So thanks. Yeah, I tried not to do the 756 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: same stuff over you know. 757 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: So that's kind of what we try not to do. 758 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. No, you did a great job, but by by 759 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 6: invariably I ended up giving the history of my career, 760 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 6: which you know is gets you know. It's like I 761 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 6: I understand like if if I was if I had 762 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 6: a plug, stuff like if I had if I had 763 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 6: a movie coming out. Let's say, you know, and I 764 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 6: had to plug it. Then that's that's It's like if 765 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 6: you're a rock band, you got to play the hits. 766 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 6: But right, But but because I don't have anything I 767 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 6: need to plug, I don't have any need to to 768 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 6: podcast other people's podcasts, so I try not to. So 769 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 6: when I do do them, it's it's not like me 770 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 6: just boringly repeating my career. But I can try and 771 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 6: you know, relive it, you know, relive it and in 772 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 6: an upbeat, positive way. But it gets hard if you 773 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 6: if you do more than one every couple every three, 774 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 6: four or five weeks or so, you know, yeah, totally yeah. 775 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 6: So so I guess basically what I'm saying is, you 776 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 6: guys are lucky as ship that I did agree. 777 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: No, Joe, you know it's the Red Hair Irish. 778 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 4: If we line up a part too, I can, I can, 779 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 4: I can dig into some Memphis questions. I mean, we 780 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 4: can just make it a whole episode about your you know, 781 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 4: two stints there, because that's that's what I grew up on. 782 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 2: So just call it walking in Memphis dot dot dot 783 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 2: with Raven. That's the next episode, Return of the. 784 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 6: Raven walking in Memphis. What's the second line? Six feet up? 785 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 5: And no, what is six six feet off off of Beal? 786 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 5: I think is what it is? 787 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 6: Six feet off of Beal. Yeah that's right. Yeah, what 788 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 6: nobody would get unless they lived in Memphis, right. Yeah. 789 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 4: That's the whole thing is this guy not from Memphis 790 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 4: wrote this song about Memphis, and everyone's kind. 791 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 5: Of like, Okay, I guess these are the this is 792 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 5: all true. I don't know, I've never. 793 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 6: Been to it. 794 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 7: We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Battleground Podcast. 795 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 7: Make sure you give it five stars and a nice review. 796 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 7: To stay up to date with the show, follow them 797 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 7: at Battleground Podcast on Instagram.