Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. We'll need some time to
Speaker 1: adapt to the pro game. Welcome back to another edition
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dana Hansas,
Speaker 1: and I am joined by a room failed Well here
Speaker 1: I was Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rose Thal what's up? Boys?
Speaker 1: Feeling it O? Greg is having the time of his
Speaker 1: life on this Sunday. I can tell well, it's nice
Speaker 1: that Dan. You know, last Sunday he wasn't here, and
Speaker 1: now I can just kick back and relax. We basically
Speaker 1: just sit here. It's Dan show now certainly not my show,
Speaker 1: but this is the YouTube Sunday night show you'll see.
Speaker 1: And I have a sinus infection, so everyone, do you
Speaker 1: be careful. Not feeling great fighting through Chris Rose one
Speaker 1: of our hosts also on MLB Network NFL Network, he said,
Speaker 1: the number one thing when you're ill and you're an
Speaker 1: on ire guy, tell people that you're ill. Make light
Speaker 1: of it. It puts the whole thing to develop some sympathy.
Speaker 1: Are you I see you also give you tips on
Speaker 1: name dropping. Yeah, Chris Rowles, you know he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1: I had a nice conversation with him. Anyway. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you gotta organize when you do the Sunday show. It's
Speaker 1: our flagship show here at Around the NFL Podcast, where
Speaker 1: we go over every single Sunday game, including the Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football showdown between the Cults and Patriots, which we'll
Speaker 1: get to at the bottom of the show. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to talk about today. Mark, you uh,
Speaker 1: you had a nice Sunday. I sat across from you. Uh.
Speaker 1: You got a little upset about the Browns. We'll get
Speaker 1: to a little later, but in general you seem to
Speaker 1: be in good spirits. Mark, Well, you know, part of
Speaker 1: our job is just to maintain and to get through it,
Speaker 1: and that's what I did. It was quite a fun
Speaker 1: Sunday by the Barks going to London Market on his
Speaker 1: way to London on Tuesday. So any of our listeners
Speaker 1: that are in London, you and Connor and Mark, you
Speaker 1: guys gotta figure out where the big meet up is
Speaker 1: gonna be next Friday or Saturday. I'll leave that to
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, by Mark, some couple of pints. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to meet some of the English followers of
Speaker 1: the show. Is it true that you actually spent some
Speaker 1: time in your life in England. Yes, it's been it's
Speaker 1: been chronicled. I lived there when I was a young boy,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try there's any break in the schedule,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out to Weybridge, where I lived, if
Speaker 1: I can find a way to get there. I actually
Speaker 1: googled Gary bar Barnage today to find out if he
Speaker 1: was English. He sounds English. Gary Barnage the Gara Bonnage,
Speaker 1: Kentucky from Yeah, I thought so, but just in case
Speaker 1: I missed it. Sometimes you know, something will go off
Speaker 1: your radar and you should know, but you didn't. Gary
Speaker 1: Bonnage historically totally a brit I'm sure, way back in
Speaker 1: the Barnage Fim lineage. So yes, a lot of good
Speaker 1: games to get to, and I don't there should be
Speaker 1: nothing else. We should just get to it least so much.
Speaker 1: So many games to get to, and we'll start like
Speaker 1: we did at least two weeks ago. Greg, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I did listen to the show. None of it stuck
Speaker 1: with me. Uh, totally forgettable. Two weeks ago. We lead.
Speaker 1: Now it was a great show. We're like two weeks
Speaker 1: ago we lead with all the undefeated teams. So let's
Speaker 1: keep doing that. And we'll start with the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 1: who we all thought, or most of America thought that
Speaker 1: this would be the end of the Panthers as an
Speaker 1: undefeated team. They're going to the clink Seattle Seahawks, They're
Speaker 1: gonna get it together. But guess what, things didn't work
Speaker 1: out that way, because the Panthers remain undefeated after staging
Speaker 1: a dramatic fourth quarter rally uh the end three win
Speaker 1: over the Seahawks at the Clink. Gregg, the Panthers are
Speaker 1: six and oh, am I correct, that is incorrect. The
Speaker 1: Panthers are five and oh the Seahawks are in deep,
Speaker 1: deep trouble, which reality surprises you more the Panthers being undefeated.
Speaker 1: I know they had an easy schedule early, but this
Speaker 1: this proved they're a different sort of Panthers team. And
Speaker 1: I know Cam Newton's had some nice moments in his career.
Speaker 1: He had a game winning drive to beat the Saints
Speaker 1: to win the NFC South in two thousand thirteen. He
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots on Monday Night Football ones. I thought
Speaker 1: this was the most impressive thing I've ever seen from
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. To be down twenty to seven in the
Speaker 1: second half, against his Seahawks to be down going midway
Speaker 1: through the fourth quarter and rip off two straight e
Speaker 1: D yard drives. And these weren't cheap drives where he's
Speaker 1: getting penalties and running. He's throwing lasers down the heart
Speaker 1: of their defense, passed their legion of boom into tight windows.
Speaker 1: He was just razor sharp when it mattered most. And
Speaker 1: I am watching this game and I'm thinking which quarterback
Speaker 1: do I want at the end of games right now?
Speaker 1: Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. I want Cam Newton. I mean,
Speaker 1: based on this season, there's there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: the debate the legitimate MVP candidate at the stage of
Speaker 1: the season right I don't think so in the season
Speaker 1: where Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have played this well,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: fair to them. Andy Dalton, I'd thrown there too, because
Speaker 1: I don't think Cam has been that great each and
Speaker 1: every week. But that's not taking anything away from what
Speaker 1: he did. Whenever they absolutely needed a drive, they did it.
Speaker 1: It was a d yard drives, four of them in
Speaker 1: the game. In their other whole nine drives, they only
Speaker 1: had sixty three yards so it was. It was an
Speaker 1: uneven game like that. We talked on the last show
Speaker 1: about you know, listen, Caroline is going to have to
Speaker 1: have one of these signature wins before we take them
Speaker 1: seriously because it's all fair. But is this actually that win?
Speaker 1: Is this Seattle team that good? Is it well? Because
Speaker 1: all they all these losses have been by one scores,
Speaker 1: two pretty good teams, and they looked very good for
Speaker 1: most of the day, just like they did last week.
Speaker 1: And the games they're losing, I mean, there's to the
Speaker 1: Bengals at the end, it's to the Packers in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, it's to the Panthers, And just watching it,
Speaker 1: I didn't think the Seahawks gave this game away. Granted,
Speaker 1: they made a big mistake maybe we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: on the last play where Greg Olsen scored. There was
Speaker 1: some sort of miscommunication between Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: But other than that, the Panthers earned everything they got.
Speaker 1: And even if the Seahawks going the tank this year
Speaker 1: and finished seven and nine at this stage of the
Speaker 1: season going into today, it was still understood to be
Speaker 1: very difficult to win West in that spot, and the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers went in there and did it, And to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, now you could legitimately worry about the Seahawks
Speaker 1: teamum My, right, I I'm not that worried about there.
Speaker 1: They're one of four teams with a losing record and
Speaker 1: a positive point differential. They have the talented roster, they've
Speaker 1: got good coaching well in the Cardinals, so you so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough there now too, there's still two
Speaker 1: games behind the Cardinals, so that's a problem. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be tougher to win three road games potentially if they
Speaker 1: don't win this division. When you're at two and four,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder to win your division. None of
Speaker 1: that bothers me. We were at a similar place last
Speaker 1: year at this time, and the Seahawks got everyone, got
Speaker 1: everyone back, became the most dominant team in the league.
Speaker 1: I just I look at their roster and their coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and I think and basically their results, they've fourth quarters,
Speaker 1: they haven't come through, but that doesn't mean they're not
Speaker 1: a good team. By with you, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: time to panic. It is positive. Also to look at
Speaker 1: what Jimmy Graham did today, it sound like you finally
Speaker 1: had the game that we thought he'd have from wire
Speaker 1: to wire with this team. That's fine that, you know,
Speaker 1: Graham did have his best game in the year. But
Speaker 1: and what you're gonna hear this week, people are gonna
Speaker 1: because I felt like there were two many excuses made
Speaker 1: for the defense last week and their meltdown against Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: They said, offense isn't take enough time off the clock
Speaker 1: in your building with the lead coming off that terrible
Speaker 1: loss last week, You've gotta finish. You gotta finish the
Speaker 1: game and the Seattle just like in the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't close it out. They could not close
Speaker 1: this game out. And against the Panthers, which you know,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's playing great, he played great today, but that
Speaker 1: they made Cam Newton the Panthers look like the best
Speaker 1: offense ever when it's January and Doug Baldwin is honking
Speaker 1: about everybody disrespecting them in October, he's talking to Dany
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm not going to be that guy. It's
Speaker 1: a thing that they collapse late in games. It's a thing.
Speaker 1: Their last five losses have now been games where they've
Speaker 1: led in the fourth quarter. So far this season, I
Speaker 1: think it's they've been outscored seventy six to seven in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. So when they got to the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter in the stadium there they put up you know,
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, everyone starts going for everyone starts going crazy.
Speaker 1: You know, here's our time. I think they got a
Speaker 1: field goal to start off the quarter and everyone you
Speaker 1: know in the building is thinking about it. They're talking
Speaker 1: about it. And what do they do? They give up
Speaker 1: to a d R drives to a team that has
Speaker 1: one receiver. Devin fun just dropped me past it. Today.
Speaker 1: Greg Olsen is having the best season of his career.
Speaker 1: He have one receiver and a team that's not known
Speaker 1: for throwing the ball, and they just go right down,
Speaker 1: just like last week that the Bengals did. And they
Speaker 1: do nothing on offense too well, it's bad, it's in
Speaker 1: their head. But part of it last year and the
Speaker 1: reason they were so dangerous was they can chew up
Speaker 1: the clock and just beat you up with the running game.
Speaker 1: And I know you wrote that Marshawn Lynch looked great
Speaker 1: today looked a lot better. But still it's fifty four yards.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a hundred yards lesson he'd have in
Speaker 1: games last year at times. Yeah, they didn't get it
Speaker 1: done on the ground. I just thought he looked good
Speaker 1: on a few runs very close of he looked healthy.
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Stewart was the better runner in this game.
Speaker 1: He he that's encouraging. He fought through a lot of tackles.
Speaker 1: He played really well. It's just got se darts from
Speaker 1: that can. It's fun to see Panthers have a nine
Speaker 1: game regular. Williams is a problem by the way too.
Speaker 1: He's becoming more and more of a problem every week.
Speaker 1: They tried to pick on him. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: an up and down game, but he's becoming a problem
Speaker 1: for that team. The Panthers deserve credit. I mean I
Speaker 1: was one of probably many people that kind of wrote
Speaker 1: them off as the weakest undefeated team early on. But
Speaker 1: now you gotta take him seriously. That was a gut
Speaker 1: checking another undefeated team, the Denver Broncos and Peyton Manning,
Speaker 1: who has been carried by his defense this year. Let's
Speaker 1: face it, they had to carry him again today. He
Speaker 1: threw three more interceptions, including a pick six, but the
Speaker 1: Broncos got a late Brendan mcmadis field goal in overtime
Speaker 1: to escape with a win. Over the Cleveland Browns. Greg,
Speaker 1: I'll throw this to you again. The Broncos are now
Speaker 1: six and oh. But does any of this really matter?
Speaker 1: If Peyton Manning is gonna be one of the five
Speaker 1: worst quarterbacks in football, and honestly, I'm not in a
Speaker 1: Joe King doesn't matter if if this is how Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning is gonna be, yes, because one that assumes that
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning will stay that way, and even if he
Speaker 1: does stay that way, they at this rate, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have a buy in the playoffs in a home game,
Speaker 1: and the way this defense is playing, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: a chance to win every week. It's crazy to watch
Speaker 1: a Broncos team get worse and worse on offense each
Speaker 1: week like this, though, I thought this is the week
Speaker 1: where it finally ends. Joe Hayden is out, t Shaun
Speaker 1: Gibson is out. This is one of the worst five
Speaker 1: or six defenses in the league. And yet I would
Speaker 1: say this was the worst game Peyton Manning had all season.
Speaker 1: He did have a few good throws, That's the thing.
Speaker 1: People say, like he can't throw the ball anywere He
Speaker 1: had three or four really good throws. But he keeps
Speaker 1: making the mental errors. He should have lost this game
Speaker 1: a million times. And it was on the Browns that
Speaker 1: they didn't take his reaction after the third pick mark
Speaker 1: when Peyton he like grabbed at his face mask and
Speaker 1: it was like he almost couldn't believe it. If you're
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, you could see it here, like he
Speaker 1: couldn't even believe that he's making these errors. It's because
Speaker 1: helegraph throws. Their mental errors, and Damarius Thomas did not
Speaker 1: help him at all in fourth quarter or overtime too
Speaker 1: terrible drops. But Manning his remains the problem, and yet
Speaker 1: they're still undefeating. Greg nailed at Cleveland, came into the
Speaker 1: game with I think one interceptional season. They're not a
Speaker 1: team that last year they were delivering turnovers, they're not
Speaker 1: this year. And of them to pick on him the
Speaker 1: way they did, it was almost like and I was
Speaker 1: sort of watching this off to the corner of my eye.
Speaker 1: I was covering a different game, but you were almost
Speaker 1: counting on on Manning making another blunder. It's like every
Speaker 1: couple he just kept doing it over and over and
Speaker 1: throwing bizarre and completions as well. He missed some throws
Speaker 1: by a lot. I don't know if it was the
Speaker 1: weather he had the glove on. I mean it was
Speaker 1: under fifty degrees. That's the first time this you know, season,
Speaker 1: for a Manning game he was off target. He also,
Speaker 1: like I said, made some big, big throws. But this
Speaker 1: is something we are relying on at every week. He
Speaker 1: leads the league in interceptions. I mean, that's who he
Speaker 1: is right now. That's why I sat with Marco on this.
Speaker 1: Come playoff time, I don't think you can just trot
Speaker 1: the defense out there and say they're gonna win. Now.
Speaker 1: They have to get their Their opponents this year are
Speaker 1: combined ten and twenty four. They're gonna be facing a
Speaker 1: lot better teams in the playoffs. And are you counting
Speaker 1: the Broncos wins and that that's not that's not fair.
Speaker 1: When people do that, you get the point. Make a
Speaker 1: ten and twenty they're bad teams. But you know this
Speaker 1: is he's my new litmus test guy Jordy Nelson used
Speaker 1: to be the litmus test. If you're watching football games,
Speaker 1: you know he's great. Who are they going to trot
Speaker 1: out next week to argue against you on on NFL
Speaker 1: network Someone who's not watching games and insists Manning is
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, and they're they're telling us what they
Speaker 1: think of him with the play calling, with these runs
Speaker 1: on third and long and all the third down throws
Speaker 1: are short of the sticks and they're just hoping for
Speaker 1: yards after contact. And one of the big arguments has
Speaker 1: been the offensive line is not playing well and the
Speaker 1: running games not playing well. He was protected fine. The
Speaker 1: Browns did not have much of a pass rush today. Uh,
Speaker 1: the running game was good throughout. They really gave the
Speaker 1: ball to Ronnie Hillman as the primary back for most
Speaker 1: of the game, and that was how they were moving
Speaker 1: the ball. He was good and C. J. Anderson did
Speaker 1: all the work in the overtime drive. This from Ronnie
Speaker 1: Hillman on social media after the game. You need to
Speaker 1: get off Peyton. That's our QB bottom line. You fake fans.
Speaker 1: Don't say anything when he's winning us the game. S MH,
Speaker 1: which means mark what shaking my head? That's what he's doing.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's one of the dumbest, one of the
Speaker 1: dumbest things online because it just I don't know what
Speaker 1: I don't need to and there are a lot of
Speaker 1: dumb things online. I agree with you on that. I Also,
Speaker 1: I don't need to hear that these players every week
Speaker 1: telling the fans what to do and who's fake and
Speaker 1: who's real. It's like fans can boo or get on
Speaker 1: a player when he's struggling as mightily as Peyton mannings
Speaker 1: Mark were you were you s m Chen? You know
Speaker 1: after that Josh McCown interception, because we should talk about
Speaker 1: the brown side of thing. They had the ball past
Speaker 1: midfield at the end of regulation, Josh McCown to a
Speaker 1: big interception. They picked off Manning and overtime and had
Speaker 1: the ball around the forty at that point they only
Speaker 1: needed what five yards to get into It went back
Speaker 1: and they went back back backwards. What are you feeling about,
Speaker 1: Josh McCown Right, Well, it was like the reverse of
Speaker 1: a Raffle copter about that because it listens. It just
Speaker 1: seemed like Cleveland. We talked about this way with the Jaguars,
Speaker 1: where you start to see hints of a team developing,
Speaker 1: but they don't have the d n A from the
Speaker 1: coach on down on how to win these kind of games.
Speaker 1: Cleveland did last week, but that was the Ravens and
Speaker 1: we found out they were just a good team. It's
Speaker 1: Browns fans are still expecting that mistake to happen and
Speaker 1: then got until that changes. This is a typical type
Speaker 1: of Brown's loss. As bad as Manning wasn't this game,
Speaker 1: Josh McCown was worse. And that was one He said
Speaker 1: he was trying to throw the ball out of bounds,
Speaker 1: which makes more sense than what just throwing it up
Speaker 1: for grabs, which he did. But he makes those plays
Speaker 1: where he's surrounded by guys and he just throws it
Speaker 1: high up in the air. He was also facing a
Speaker 1: much more difficult defense. Was this the best game and
Speaker 1: offenses played against Denver? Now? I I they had a
Speaker 1: ton of drives. I'd love to go look quickly, but
Speaker 1: they the fact as they were going three and ounce
Speaker 1: back and forth the whole game. They didn't even get
Speaker 1: three hundred yards in this game on fifteen drives something
Speaker 1: like that. So the Panthers and Broncos remained perfect, as
Speaker 1: do Chris Westling the Cincinnati ben Gals. Andy Dalton threw
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes a thirty four one victory over the
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills in Orchard Park. West A J. Green neutralized
Speaker 1: in this game, and yet Andy Dalton's still thrive. There's
Speaker 1: something different going on here, isn't there. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: think about this game, I think of two things. One,
Speaker 1: how loaded the Bengals roster is that they really have
Speaker 1: no weak points, and two that the Bill's defense is overrated.
Speaker 1: M the Bengals offense. I mean, everybody talks about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys offensive behind Andy Dalton never gets touched. He has
Speaker 1: all day back there to pick defenses apart. And then
Speaker 1: when you take away a J Green, because the Bills
Speaker 1: do take away number one wide receivers, that's what their
Speaker 1: defense does. But Marvin Jones has Marvin Jones has a
Speaker 1: great game. Tyler I Ford is a great red zone weapon.
Speaker 1: Geo Bernard picked up a bunch of first downs. They
Speaker 1: have so many weapons. And Mario Williams came out and
Speaker 1: kind of questioned the defense a little bit and the
Speaker 1: scheme itself, which is funny because two seasons ago, with
Speaker 1: a similar scheme under Mike Petton, they sent a franchise
Speaker 1: record for sacks. They had a ton of sacks last season,
Speaker 1: and they have something they're very low right now. They're
Speaker 1: just after nine sacks on the season and market to
Speaker 1: the corn like he you know, he set the record
Speaker 1: for dropping back into coverage. Look any any coverage that
Speaker 1: you have Mario Williams in it, and they're only rushing three.
Speaker 1: You can understand why that front four, which is so good,
Speaker 1: is going to be frustrated. They think Rex is out
Speaker 1: smarty himself. And more importantly, Kyle Williams left with a
Speaker 1: knee injury. It looked like it might be serious. It
Speaker 1: sounds like he won't make the trip. They're they're leaving
Speaker 1: as we speak. They're leaving Sunday night for London. It
Speaker 1: sounds like Kyle Williams will be staying home, which is
Speaker 1: a big loss. And the Bills are now three and three,
Speaker 1: And in a weird way, it's a sneaky, maybe blessing
Speaker 1: in disguise, because there was these strange reports before the game,
Speaker 1: one from rap sheet um that e J Manuel had
Speaker 1: a chance to hold on to the starting job if
Speaker 1: he played well in this game, which I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to see every one of the snaps in
Speaker 1: this game, but it doesn't appear that Manuel have the
Speaker 1: type of game that would lead to a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 1: But that's you know, you didn't want any of that
Speaker 1: leaking out there. You didn't want any of the discussion,
Speaker 1: whether it's real or manufactured in the media by or
Speaker 1: by an agent or by a GM that has other interests.
Speaker 1: But that's just bad news. So Manuel not playing well
Speaker 1: and put that to bed. It's kind of a good
Speaker 1: thing to come out of a bad loss. It's totally
Speaker 1: disruptive and it begs the question of have we have
Speaker 1: the people inside the team not watched Tyrod Taylor and
Speaker 1: the great not like something about him if it came
Speaker 1: from the team, how did how did Manuel look? He's terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, his fall placement is just among the worst
Speaker 1: you'll ever see. His decision making is bad. They went
Speaker 1: three four or four and for three an ounce in
Speaker 1: the first half when Andy Dalton was running away with
Speaker 1: the game. I don't know why. What was the point
Speaker 1: of that report? I mean, you lessen Taylor, Taylor's leadership
Speaker 1: on the team. Under your starter, it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: pumping up b J. Manuel, and it's it's someone that
Speaker 1: really believes that if you're pumping up EJ. Manuel, you're
Speaker 1: not doing it two hours before game time on a Sunday,
Speaker 1: where e J m the cost of your starter and
Speaker 1: it's you know, It's funny because like Greg Roman in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, they made a switch at quarterback during the
Speaker 1: season after spending so much time in practice with Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: We don't know what they're seeing behind the scenes. Well
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't like it that the Taylor doesn't
Speaker 1: see Sammy Watkins because he's short. He's a short quarterback,
Speaker 1: but maybe he just doesn't see the field well in general,
Speaker 1: you know what that's if that's his his biggest evil.
Speaker 1: It's about and Sammy Watkins touched that catch. They got
Speaker 1: hurt again on crutches after the half, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy can come out and ask for
Speaker 1: the ball and you gotta stay on the field to
Speaker 1: the worst thing this could be this could be would
Speaker 1: be it would be Doug Walley who put his job
Speaker 1: on the line by going to get Watkins and then
Speaker 1: him reacting to Watkins going to the media about needing
Speaker 1: the ball and that leading to this issue with the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation. Just you hope it's not that, because that
Speaker 1: is as dysfunctional as it gets. It bothers me that
Speaker 1: this is even an issue that they would leak that report.
Speaker 1: It just Tyrod Taylor is such a better quarterback than
Speaker 1: he's been great before we move on. In your piece,
Speaker 1: you called Andy Dalton a legitimate m VP candidate. Chris
Speaker 1: wesleyn is it time to junk the Dalton scale the
Speaker 1: measurement whereas each quarterback in the league is measured by
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton the prime me Riddian. Of course, way with
Speaker 1: the way he's playing now, is it time to junk?
Speaker 1: I think we need more than a six game samples. Okay.
Speaker 1: The one thing I'd say, though, is one thing that
Speaker 1: we thought about Dalton, because it was true on the
Speaker 1: field up until the season, was that he hit his
Speaker 1: ceiling the minute he entered the league, that there was
Speaker 1: never a better version of Andy Dalton overall his seasons.
Speaker 1: He is legitimately different quarterback this year. And I would
Speaker 1: say the scale has to work to be functional, and
Speaker 1: if it's not gonna work, if he goes thirteen in
Speaker 1: three in place, that it might be something we evaluate
Speaker 1: in the office. Sure, right, And I think team big
Speaker 1: owners meetings that we have all of what you said
Speaker 1: is true that he has been better that year, noticeably,
Speaker 1: he's shown improvement. But I think where I stand and
Speaker 1: where I stood all off season, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: the Bengals do from September three, D I need to
Speaker 1: see it in January. Um T D thinks the body
Speaker 1: language is better on and Dalton, But I think I
Speaker 1: think I think it's the hair. Yeah, but that's but
Speaker 1: you're when you have good hair and you know this
Speaker 1: dand you're just feeling good from head to tell you,
Speaker 1: I never feel myself until the product is in there
Speaker 1: you go and that that's a Dan ritual. He comes
Speaker 1: into the office. First thing he does, put a little
Speaker 1: jail in this hair and then man, its you have
Speaker 1: like an aura around you, like a pregnant lady where
Speaker 1: you just feel something good is going to happen with you.
Speaker 1: Everything you just said is accurate. Moving on that you're
Speaker 1: a pregnant lady. Yeah, I'm prego im do. At the
Speaker 1: end of the month, I'm taking along with another undefeated team,
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. They will go into their bye
Speaker 1: week without a loss. Aaron Rodgers looked human for the
Speaker 1: second straight week and Philip rivers through for five hundred
Speaker 1: and three yards uh and also has another kid on
Speaker 1: the way. That's eight kids. Come on, that's a preschool
Speaker 1: there and you know what, and he can obviously take
Speaker 1: care of those kids a multi millionaire. But we got
Speaker 1: a lot of people on this planet. We got an overpopulation.
Speaker 1: By the way, beautiful transition from the pregnant woman conversation
Speaker 1: to this, I would encourage Philip Rivers and his wife
Speaker 1: to have a lot more kids because they can provide
Speaker 1: for them and raise it. Says A says a man
Speaker 1: who had seven brothers, six brothers. At a certain point,
Speaker 1: it's rubbing in it a little bit like I'm that
Speaker 1: potent anyway. So Riverence through for five three yards, but
Speaker 1: Green Bay's defense got a goal line stop in the
Speaker 1: final minute. They secure twenty win at Lambeau West. The Packers,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't look so indestructible of late, but
Speaker 1: results are results. Yeah, I think I think it might
Speaker 1: have been you who said after week three or week four,
Speaker 1: you can take away Jordy Nelson, you can take away
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacey and Aaron Rodgers still plays like an m
Speaker 1: v P. That was Packers keep right on ruling, and
Speaker 1: I think we we saw like the breaking point the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. You can, you can blame it
Speaker 1: on Jordy Nelson, but it's not really you take away
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, Andrew Corliss, Time Montgomery, Eddie Lacey is completely
Speaker 1: ineffective because he's playing through an ankle injury or because
Speaker 1: he's overweight, one or the other. But you've got all
Speaker 1: these people around Aaron Rodgers, and then you've got he
Speaker 1: can't make back shoulder throws to Jeff Jannis because they're
Speaker 1: not on the same page. Rock Richard Rodgers isn't coming
Speaker 1: down with with tight catch with catches in tight spaces.
Speaker 1: Cobb is dropping passes. He's throwing like James Starks was
Speaker 1: open for potential eight touchdown. But that's a tricky route
Speaker 1: that James Starks is not used to running. Yeah, basically
Speaker 1: his his number one, number three, and number four receivers
Speaker 1: from August or are out of the line up, so
Speaker 1: we throw into a bunch of guys. At one point,
Speaker 1: he's throwing in a red zone. You came over my
Speaker 1: desk and they show who's on the field is Jared
Speaker 1: Edward Derris and some guy named Justin Perillo or something.
Speaker 1: Those are his red zone weapons. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 1: he can't for eight point eight yards per attempt today
Speaker 1: and they and they scored twenty seven points and win
Speaker 1: the game and stay undefeated. So that's the luxury of,
Speaker 1: you know, being the pack What was it like to
Speaker 1: watch Philip Rivers top his performance from Monday night when
Speaker 1: he threw it for seven nine times or whatever, and
Speaker 1: today through its sixty five times for five under the yards.
Speaker 1: There's the real statistics. He was surgical against the defensive
Speaker 1: Football outsiders ranked as number one in the NFL on
Speaker 1: past defense. Now, the Packers hadn't really played any great
Speaker 1: quarterbacks this year, so it's telling that Rivers did this
Speaker 1: to him. But Stevie Johnson was inactive. Keenan Allen played
Speaker 1: awesome for three quarters and then sat out the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter with a hip injury. In three quarters, he and
Speaker 1: he's his His performance might have been more impressive than
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. He was making great catches. What is the
Speaker 1: deal with Eddie Lacey? Three rushes off four carries and
Speaker 1: James Starks just takes over. Well, I look at it
Speaker 1: this way. We've seen Eddie Lacy when he's healthy, and
Speaker 1: he's an excellent football player. So he's either outer shape
Speaker 1: or unhealthy. We know he was a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He's playing through an ankle injury, and when they played
Speaker 1: James Starks as much over him. It suggests to me
Speaker 1: they're just trying to get to the by get Eddie
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacy healthy and then get him going. But he
Speaker 1: did not look like himself. He looks sluggish and slow.
Speaker 1: There's there's something about this Chargers team. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: they're in the games there against the Packers and the Steelers,
Speaker 1: but now they're at two and four. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a team that I don't know if they need
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs to keep everyone there. But pretty
Speaker 1: disappointing start for San Diego and they're not far away
Speaker 1: from being one in five either or I guess a
Speaker 1: better record based on every one of their games. Every
Speaker 1: every team behind them, we cannot take seriously everybody in
Speaker 1: front of them, we can. Okay, that's good. That checks out. Well.
Speaker 1: You make cryptic statements like that, you're usually hiding some
Speaker 1: kind of ina. I know, I said something last show
Speaker 1: that I think McCoy there might be some talker that
Speaker 1: they need to be a winning team or else he's gone.
Speaker 1: Greg is secretly our podcast insider. You know why, because
Speaker 1: Greg has this thing like all the insiders out there,
Speaker 1: and he's got some sources within buildings. I think that
Speaker 1: we don't know about. So whenever you see him texting,
Speaker 1: he's always that information coming into him. Reputation unwarranted. Moving on,
Speaker 1: Landry Jones through to a pair of touchdown passes to
Speaker 1: Martavis Bryant in relief of an injured Michael Vick, and
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers came back from a deficit to over
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Mark you know, listen, Landry Jones a
Speaker 1: nice little performance there, but losing to a big ben
Speaker 1: free Steeler squad is no way for a team of
Speaker 1: a t M to comport itself. It reminds me a
Speaker 1: little bit of the way you described the Cardinals a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, where they absolutely dominated and on
Speaker 1: every category statistically four and twenty one yards for Carson Palmer.
Speaker 1: They were moving the ball up and down the field,
Speaker 1: plenty of big plays, but they could not turn the
Speaker 1: real estate into points. And I give the Steelers credit
Speaker 1: for shutting down the run game for much of the
Speaker 1: for much of the affair, and they just a couple
Speaker 1: of big turnovers for for Arizona. I mean, you cannot,
Speaker 1: you cannot on the road commit the turnovers and Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer threw a killer pick at the end that really
Speaker 1: put this game out of reach for them. Pittsburgh. It's
Speaker 1: it was a very it was just one of the
Speaker 1: stranger games I've seen all season. Clearly, if if if
Speaker 1: you're without Big Bend next week, I would put Landry
Speaker 1: Jones in over Mike Vick because what happened right away
Speaker 1: was that the playbooks seemed to completely open up in
Speaker 1: Arizona's defense responded differently to Landry Jones, who was taking
Speaker 1: more shots down field. It opened up the run game
Speaker 1: for Levian Bell, who was just seeing seven men in
Speaker 1: the you know, in the box time after time. With
Speaker 1: Vic on the field, it was completely ineffectual. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a good situation for Pittsburgh, but it was
Speaker 1: huge to come out of against the team they're not
Speaker 1: They're they're not even close to being a better team
Speaker 1: than Arizona, but they got it done. Then against the
Speaker 1: top five team in your building without your quarterback, and
Speaker 1: you actually go to your third string quarterback and you
Speaker 1: get a win, your four and two now and you
Speaker 1: could you can now withstand being without Raethlisberg for another week,
Speaker 1: and there's a very good chance that happens and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. I mean, this was their biggest win
Speaker 1: of the season easy. The fact that they've now ripped
Speaker 1: off two of these against two decent teams, you know
Speaker 1: in San Diego and a very good team in Arizona.
Speaker 1: I mean that just makes me think, how good can
Speaker 1: these Steelers be? You get Ryan sz Ear back, you
Speaker 1: get Ben Roethlisberger back. It's like they're right back where
Speaker 1: we thought they'd be before the season, which is as
Speaker 1: one of the real Super Bowl. It is funny to watch, though,
Speaker 1: what they have become and what they were with with
Speaker 1: Vic on the field and no Big Ben one passing
Speaker 1: yard in the first half that when you take we
Speaker 1: talk m v P and you talk anything other than quarterback,
Speaker 1: I don't listen anymore because this was another example that
Speaker 1: when you take that one starter off the field at quarterback,
Speaker 1: this was a completely average offense. Look at Martavis Bryant
Speaker 1: runs wild today in Antonio. Brown didn't do much, but
Speaker 1: I totally agree. The defense is much better than we
Speaker 1: thought earlier in the season in August. And once you
Speaker 1: get Big Ben back, you've got Martavis Bryant. Levi on
Speaker 1: Belle Antonio Brown. That's a Super Bowl content in a
Speaker 1: two team division now, and I think that everyone if
Speaker 1: you do have your PS two somewhere in storage, you
Speaker 1: can get that out, dusted out, plugging in see if
Speaker 1: you can find matt in two thousand four, you know,
Speaker 1: with Michael Vick on the cover of About with the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Put that in there. Play a game, because I don't
Speaker 1: think we'll ever see another Michael Vick snap in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You just born a little out for Michael Vick. It
Speaker 1: was actually I'm not gonna go too crazy about Michael Vick.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that think you shouldn't ever
Speaker 1: even come back to the NFL. But if you're somebody
Speaker 1: that that guy defined it or the NFL, and I
Speaker 1: think it was very clear by the end of when
Speaker 1: he left the game and these past two games that
Speaker 1: Michael Vick's finished, this could probably this probably was his
Speaker 1: last start in the NFL. It might even be his
Speaker 1: last appearance in the NFL. It's probably on the field.
Speaker 1: I know, that's what I'm saying. But you're what I'm
Speaker 1: noticing is that you're plagiarizing your own tweet These days,
Speaker 1: you know your tweets on the screen and you're just
Speaker 1: using that material that's kind of like my journal of
Speaker 1: my thoughts over the course of Sunday, and some make
Speaker 1: it to the good. I like to look at you
Speaker 1: as like a multi platform weapon that you operate on
Speaker 1: Twitter and you bring the same content to the the
Speaker 1: exact same content to the podcast, word for word. So
Speaker 1: it's like the end of Mr Belvetere. When you're writing
Speaker 1: your journal, you have to announce it straights out of China.
Speaker 1: That's with another time you're Vick and you get out
Speaker 1: played by the kicker from Friday Night Lights. It's time
Speaker 1: to go very fair. Wow, Andrew, that's right, um Mark,
Speaker 1: have you gotten too season two yet? Friday Night Lights?
Speaker 1: I knocked off a few episodes last night. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this season is twenty six episodes long.
Speaker 1: It's taking me and on a whole lot of free time.
Speaker 1: I think I've got about nine more episodes in season
Speaker 1: one Friday Lights. I believe premiere to two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: which is light years ago in terms of what's happened
Speaker 1: in television since how how television is produced now now,
Speaker 1: it's like twelve to fourteen episodes of season Max. Back
Speaker 1: then it was like, Hey, Writer's Room, Bill Craik out
Speaker 1: thirty seven episodes from binge watching is now I need
Speaker 1: a lost weekend. I need to vanish from society to
Speaker 1: get through, you know, a season. We need a television podcast,
Speaker 1: theology podcast about shows that came out a decade ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or two. And then Mr Belvedere, by the way, was
Speaker 1: not a well known sitcom, so if you're overseas listeners,
Speaker 1: he was a British butler. Mr Belvedere who had British
Speaker 1: Bob Yucker was prominently involved. Alright, moving on, well real quick.
Speaker 1: For all the people worried about the team of at
Speaker 1: L or asking me if I'm worried about not worried
Speaker 1: at all? Again, a hundred and sixty more points in
Speaker 1: their opponent. The Cardinals are a well oiled machine. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have a few losses. There's still a great team.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. It's disappointing they haven't played, that
Speaker 1: they've been outplayed, or that they've lost two out of
Speaker 1: three games since we picked them. This is something that
Speaker 1: you have when you have Seattle in the division, though,
Speaker 1: you you want to take advantage of every opportunity to
Speaker 1: beat a Landry Jones slash Michael Victim. That you got,
Speaker 1: that's all. That's fair. We still got, We still got
Speaker 1: the faith coming from us. Don't worry, cards, don't be nervous.
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of generous. They think
Speaker 1: they need to be even better. Yourself, be yourselves, let's
Speaker 1: move on. The Minnesota Vikings could not get Agent Peterson
Speaker 1: going and got another quiet game from Teddy Bridgewater, but
Speaker 1: they still did enough for a sixteen ten win over
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. Greg I watched this game, and
Speaker 1: I would like to put in a formal request that
Speaker 1: we don't have to watch anymore as a group. As
Speaker 1: a group, well, but the problem like that I could consider,
Speaker 1: But they have there's a team on the other side
Speaker 1: of the field each week when they play, and I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any other technology is improving. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can just take the Chiefs off the field
Speaker 1: and just watch the Vikings. I don't know. I need
Speaker 1: you to tell me about the Vikings in general, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, I get that. I get that,
Speaker 1: but and I feel bad when I say that. If
Speaker 1: you're a Chiefs fan, that's listening to the show. This
Speaker 1: is I mean no disrespect. I mean not towards the fans.
Speaker 1: The fans deserve better, uh you know, they deserve a
Speaker 1: team they could get cited about today. Because while without
Speaker 1: Jamal Charles there's there's nothing there. You got Alex Smith,
Speaker 1: who is you know, Mr Fuddy Duddy throwing those little
Speaker 1: dumb passes over the middle, not pushing the ball downfield.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey disappears for stretches. I don't know how that happened.
Speaker 1: Jeremy mack Jeremy maclell got hurt in this game that
Speaker 1: things are even worse without macklin involved. They got passes
Speaker 1: for Alex Smith. It looked like, yeah, I mean this,
Speaker 1: I mean the team didn't playball. Charke Hendrick West didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. Nile Davis didn't do anything. West had a
Speaker 1: bad fumble also in the fourth quarter when they had
Speaker 1: a little momentum. This team went from last week to
Speaker 1: this week four and a half quarters without scoring a
Speaker 1: point with Jamal Charles. Without Jamal Charles, so the Vikings
Speaker 1: didn't play particularly well in this game. The Chiefs defense,
Speaker 1: to its credit, did a really nice job bottling up
Speaker 1: um Adrian Peterson who um did not get going ever
Speaker 1: in this game. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it was it was just a boring, workman like victory,
Speaker 1: and that's what they want to be on offense, it
Speaker 1: seems because this has been this isn't a departure from
Speaker 1: what they were last year either. They're very they're content
Speaker 1: as an organization of Alex Smith at quarterback and all
Speaker 1: these shortcomings that you know that are joined with that,
Speaker 1: and they want to win and lose games sixteen to
Speaker 1: ten and they're gonna lose a lot more than they're
Speaker 1: gonna win, and I put it on bad luck, but
Speaker 1: they're not builkers. They're not built to go out and
Speaker 1: dominate games on offense and have a nice time being
Speaker 1: six and ten when that's the kid. I think they
Speaker 1: have like two more years invested in Alex Smith. But
Speaker 1: if you're any read, is there any thought to just
Speaker 1: kick the tires and old chase the former making the
Speaker 1: leap candidate. I think they we were calling for that
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and think they will just because
Speaker 1: of the guaranteed money in in Smith's contract they did.
Speaker 1: Did a Teddy Bridgewater look any better this week? Really?
Speaker 1: He's been. He hasn't really. Have you guys seen a
Speaker 1: game where you thought he's looked really good this year? Yes,
Speaker 1: one game, right, he was just about perfect. But other
Speaker 1: than that, he was just you know, he was just
Speaker 1: a guy in the field. I mean he threw one
Speaker 1: touchdown and through two picks, not not good throws. He
Speaker 1: has three touchdowns for the entire season. Now, um, so
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't take much. I didn't take much
Speaker 1: out of that. When you guys check out the game,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll see something different. The one guy did stand
Speaker 1: out for them is um Stefan Diggs. Yeah, yeah, fifth
Speaker 1: round pick, didn't. I don't even think he was active
Speaker 1: in the first few weeks of the season. The last
Speaker 1: two weeks he has thirteen catches for two hundred sixteen yards,
Speaker 1: had seven for one nine today. So you know there
Speaker 1: are guys in that offense, Cordele Patterson, of course, Mark
Speaker 1: your boy, Charles Johnson. They haven't been able to get
Speaker 1: anybody to find um any success and it looks like
Speaker 1: they hit on something with Digs here, so expect him
Speaker 1: to be a regular part of that offense. You called
Speaker 1: that on Thursday show that the you know, Mike Wallace.
Speaker 1: What does he have two catches for twenty nine targets
Speaker 1: and two catches where stef I digs nine targets And
Speaker 1: he's not Mike Wallace anymore. He doesn't move like he
Speaker 1: used to. Kyle Rudolph nine yards, I mean tight ends
Speaker 1: and Norv Turner's offense typically thrive, and it's been the
Speaker 1: opposite for some of these so called playmakers that we
Speaker 1: were touting all summer. Beckon's having played well and get
Speaker 1: their three and two, and I think they have the
Speaker 1: Lions and Bears next, so they have a chance to
Speaker 1: be right where everyone was hoping they would be something
Speaker 1: like five and two. And some people might start, Oh,
Speaker 1: is Adrian Peterson still the same guy? Because he's had
Speaker 1: two kind of really bad games now statistically. But this
Speaker 1: was not his fault. He was getting swallowed up in
Speaker 1: the backfield before he even touched. He could really use
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater heating up a little bit to take some
Speaker 1: heat off him. Um, all right, now it's the time
Speaker 1: of the show. It's Sunday, where we welcome in a woman.
Speaker 1: That's it. I'll leave it there, Let's bring her in. Hey,
Speaker 1: it never gets less awkward that intro, I said, woman,
Speaker 1: but I mean Wolf Woman. Colleen Wolf not only a
Speaker 1: friend of the Around the NFL podcast, but you know what,
Speaker 1: an actual friend of ours. That we we've hung out together,
Speaker 1: We've ingested liquids, and we've had conversations the way you
Speaker 1: said strange. But I had a friend in town this
Speaker 1: weekend who who listens to the podcast now. He's a
Speaker 1: recent adopt adoptee, and he was saying, he's like that
Speaker 1: Collie Wolf. She just needs to be on the show
Speaker 1: every time. That Colleen. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: this is the perfect amount of Colleen College so much more.
Speaker 1: Colleen she is every Sunday. She of course, she's one
Speaker 1: of the faces of NFL now. She's also a constant
Speaker 1: presence on the NFL Now Game Day Blitz program on Sundays,
Speaker 1: which Greg you and I sat in on on NFL Now.
Speaker 1: A little story about that. Today I did my two
Speaker 1: segment thing and then the shack was like, alright, you know,
Speaker 1: great to see her again, all right, Colleen take it away?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I thought I was done.
Speaker 1: So I put down my little stick Mike and I
Speaker 1: start to start to walk away, and I see all
Speaker 1: these people behind the camera like shooting the daggers, and
Speaker 1: then and then it's no, you're not clear, You're not clear.
Speaker 1: And now I'm standing in the middle of the set.
Speaker 1: And then if I just bail and everyone has just
Speaker 1: given me a look like I am human garbage. Why
Speaker 1: not try to be a professional when you're on there.
Speaker 1: I was trying. In what scenario? Are you not taking
Speaker 1: the mic with you? If nothing, even if you think
Speaker 1: the segments over, at least bring it with you. Be
Speaker 1: helpful professional. I don't notice any of this all you
Speaker 1: plugged in. I don't know. It's hard to tell sometimes. Alright,
Speaker 1: going clear a scientology term, yes it is, I am
Speaker 1: not a scientologist. That's for the Theology show? Or is
Speaker 1: it is scientology a religion? Mark We'll start with we
Speaker 1: will discuss on this summer's Theology podcast. All right, great, alright,
Speaker 1: so let's continue with the games. Colleen's bag. It's always
Speaker 1: great to have Colleen. And since Colleen's here and I'm
Speaker 1: in a good mood, now we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Ryan Fitzpatrick threw two touchdown passes and
Speaker 1: ran for another score, and Chris Ivory posted a hundred
Speaker 1: ninety six total yards. It all added up to a
Speaker 1: thirty four to twenty Jets wins over the Washington Redskins
Speaker 1: at the Meadowlands. The Jets Mark Sessler, I know the
Speaker 1: brown stink again, and I don't revel in that, but
Speaker 1: at least, well you kind of do, since they were
Speaker 1: a play away for beating undefeated team and being three
Speaker 1: and three, scrappy Browns, give them a little credit. Just
Speaker 1: know that the Jets a fellow pain ranking team. They're
Speaker 1: doing okay, I think that because very happy. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why you're not jumping on the Jets bandwagon that on.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. No, I don't need
Speaker 1: to get on that train. Okay, it's gonna end horribly,
Speaker 1: but this is my takeaway from this game. And yes,
Speaker 1: the Redskins were all sorts of beat up, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, the Jets are at home. They should win
Speaker 1: this game. I now think the Jets are actually good.
Speaker 1: I think they're good. I think not only they have
Speaker 1: a pretty nice schedule this year and they have a
Speaker 1: really good defense. I think they're legitimately good. And it's
Speaker 1: because Chris Irie. He's not the best running back in football. Uh,
Speaker 1: even though Marsha Brandon Marshall said it, but he is
Speaker 1: a top five running back right now. So not only
Speaker 1: do you have a top three defense, you have a
Speaker 1: top five running back Brandon Marshall West. If you were
Speaker 1: to do an end of season wide receiver rankings, Brandon
Speaker 1: Marshall keeps us up. He's a top five wide receiver
Speaker 1: this year. This guy is doing something. And uh, you
Speaker 1: know Don Maynard who I know West? You know well,
Speaker 1: the great wide receiver of the sixty eight world champion Jets.
Speaker 1: He was the last wide receiver to have a hundred
Speaker 1: yards and four straight games. That's what Brandon Marshall did today.
Speaker 1: So you have a great, great wide receiver, a great
Speaker 1: running back, a great defense, and Ryan Fitzpatrick is okay, okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta get offensive coordinator. I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the yas at all. This Patrick played great today. He
Speaker 1: had one interception, Um, so he does. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: a mistake every week like that. Sometimes he'll make more
Speaker 1: than one. But he made some big throws and he's
Speaker 1: been making plays all year with his legs. In an
Speaker 1: eighteen yard touchdown run that won this game, essentially put
Speaker 1: the game away. So he's been getting first downs all
Speaker 1: season with his legs. He's been limiting the killer mistakes.
Speaker 1: Put it all together, the Jets are good. This is
Speaker 1: a ten win team. If they can play a team
Speaker 1: that's missing eight starters every week, they'll be never thrown
Speaker 1: watch the game and tell much more complete team than
Speaker 1: last year. And it starts with all the pieces on
Speaker 1: defense that Rex Ryan was not given at the end
Speaker 1: of his tenure. And we always talked about the fact
Speaker 1: that you know what Marshall did is he turns Eric
Speaker 1: Decker into not the number one and only target on
Speaker 1: the field, but a very good number two. And you've
Speaker 1: got weapons all of a sudden, all right, So you're
Speaker 1: right there are They're good and they're not great. Go
Speaker 1: ten and six. That means they go six and what
Speaker 1: six and five down the stretch, and that could happen
Speaker 1: because they're only good and I would be happy with
Speaker 1: ten and six. Get in the playoffs and then see
Speaker 1: what happens with that defense. Absolutely, da Ryan Fitzpatrick played
Speaker 1: the best game by a Jets quarterback in the past decade.
Speaker 1: Because ESPN QBR says he did. They gave him a
Speaker 1: nine QBR. He was. I mean, he was very good,
Speaker 1: but he's you know, he's not throwing downfield really he's
Speaker 1: doing he's basically taking what the defense gives him. I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought he played a very nice game by Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick standards. But I don't know, I feel like maybe
Speaker 1: some of those Sanchez games, uh, before everything went downhill,
Speaker 1: were probably better. Brett far Brett Far through six touchdowns
Speaker 1: in the game against the Cardinals. Once every once in
Speaker 1: a while there's a good Jet quarterback game, but Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: is getting the job done and Geno Smith is not
Speaker 1: getting in anytime soon. They came into this game in
Speaker 1: the second half and scored twenty four straight points. Then
Speaker 1: just like dropped the mind right when I was reading
Speaker 1: the tweets in this game, a lot of people were
Speaker 1: saying the Jets were very lucky to even be close
Speaker 1: in the first half, considering how poorly they played. They
Speaker 1: turned it over three times in the first half, and
Speaker 1: it was very Jets and it was basically all the
Speaker 1: things I had been concerned about. Uh, They're down thirteen
Speaker 1: ten at the half, and then Durrell Reeve has had
Speaker 1: an interception early in the third quarter. He now has
Speaker 1: six takeaways in five games, so he's been well worth
Speaker 1: the money so far. And that changed the whole tenant
Speaker 1: of the game. They went nuts after that, scored seventeen
Speaker 1: straight points and that was pretty much it the Jets.
Speaker 1: I believe there were four and twelve. They haven't rased that. Well,
Speaker 1: it should be fun, and you're right about the schedule.
Speaker 1: I forget about that because I'm thinking, well, they just
Speaker 1: haven't really beaten anyone. I mean, they won in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: that that was solid, but they haven't beaten another team
Speaker 1: with the winning record. But then I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: rest of the schedule. They don't have any teams with
Speaker 1: winning records. The rest of the way. You know, you
Speaker 1: have the division games, which aren't easy. You have the
Speaker 1: Patriots twice, which is very difficult. But other than that,
Speaker 1: it's cake city. Including next week. That's a great game
Speaker 1: Jets Patriots that you think they will be talked about
Speaker 1: it all I think on this podcast it will be that.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, whether they're gonna bench Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: in Washington a game, j Gruden said, no way, he's
Speaker 1: I mean, he's underwhelming to me in more point six
Speaker 1: yards per attempting a couple more picks, Now what's the alternative?
Speaker 1: And not RG three who was asking no alternative? It
Speaker 1: won't be RG three. RG three was active for the
Speaker 1: first time this year, but that was because they're so
Speaker 1: banged up. I mean, they're not gonna play r G
Speaker 1: three right because they don't want to listen gutting hurt.
Speaker 1: But Cousins isn't the answer. Well, neither is Cole McCoy.
Speaker 1: So you gotta just stick with There's absolutely no running
Speaker 1: game either to help them right that they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be built on running in time of possession and they've
Speaker 1: been hit or miss all year. There are eight and
Speaker 1: eight team in the making or maybe seven or six
Speaker 1: and six wins. They got three on the road and
Speaker 1: they got winning some games on the road. Did be
Speaker 1: eight and eight? One bright spots really banged up there,
Speaker 1: I mean key guys, the Shawan Jackson, Trent william I
Speaker 1: mean they Jordan read All, think these guys, Matt Jones,
Speaker 1: all these guys are starting seven and active. Six of
Speaker 1: them were starters. One bright Spot. I thought last week
Speaker 1: for shot Breedlan played as well as any cornerback in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and then this week he has two takeaways
Speaker 1: and from what I three takeaway. He had two fumble
Speaker 1: recoveries and interception in the first half, and then Brandon
Speaker 1: Marshall made him look bad on a touchdown later. But
Speaker 1: he he played a very good game. So there there's
Speaker 1: some things. There's still a good defense, but the Jets
Speaker 1: rolled up a season high and yardage. If their defense
Speaker 1: takes a step back there, this team's gonna create her.
Speaker 1: Geno Smith's next past next August and Oakland as a
Speaker 1: Raiders back up. Marcus loving this thing right, Raiders back up, sure,
Speaker 1: preseason action. Geno Smith out the door. We don't need
Speaker 1: him in New York anymore. Why would you ever bring
Speaker 1: that guy back into the folds? Uh Fitz. He hadn't
Speaker 1: been playing that well the past couple of weeks. So
Speaker 1: this is toxic, ultra toxic. That's what Keith hands things to.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my dad on the way to
Speaker 1: work today, is Danny, they can't put that guy and
Speaker 1: he's a bum. Your dad knows. Your dad's watched the
Speaker 1: Jets for decades and decades. Danny Genius was terrible. Keith
Speaker 1: hands a sorry, let's move on, all right. The Lions,
Speaker 1: they've done it. They did it. You've predicted it. You
Speaker 1: said it, prediction, they were favored in the game. What
Speaker 1: was your what was your headline? The Lions? I don't
Speaker 1: remember about no more winless teams, No more football teams
Speaker 1: will win. Lions win a game. There are no more
Speaker 1: winless teams. Adam, to be quick on your feet there, Greg,
Speaker 1: the Lions have done it. Matt Frater kicked the twenty
Speaker 1: seven yard field goal with less than three minutes to
Speaker 1: go in overtime, giving Detroit a thirty seven thirty four
Speaker 1: win over the Bears, their first taste of victory and
Speaker 1: six tries Colleen. At one point this game appeared to
Speaker 1: be heading towards a suitably pathetic tie. But it didn't happen, though,
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Yeah, no, Matt Stafford. He finally threw,
Speaker 1: I mean through for over four hundred yards, and there
Speaker 1: were there was a stretch of like seven games where
Speaker 1: he hadn't thrown for over three hundred and more importantly,
Speaker 1: he went to Calvin Johnson. So Calvin Johnson finally has
Speaker 1: a one hundred yard games. Yeah, the first one hundred
Speaker 1: yard game of his career. But guys, I'm still not
Speaker 1: sure what it catches at this point because of another terrible,
Speaker 1: absurd call that was absolutely awful. So Golden Tate. He
Speaker 1: gets the ball knocked out as he's crossing the goal
Speaker 1: line right and the Bears defender comes down with it
Speaker 1: before he hits the ground, and it's ruled interception. Then
Speaker 1: it's reviewed and overturned and called a Golden Tate touchdown.
Speaker 1: I mean, so the argument was that it's not the
Speaker 1: same as these other highly controversial episodes where they're going
Speaker 1: to the ground and there's possession or not maintained making
Speaker 1: your football play. It's that he had possession when he
Speaker 1: broke the plane, and so the play is over right.
Speaker 1: Sort of makes sense. It just wasn't It was any
Speaker 1: sense when you've got a rule where everybody in the
Speaker 1: stadium thinks it's not a catch, everybody watching it at
Speaker 1: home thinks it's not a catch. Mike Pereira thinks it's
Speaker 1: not a catch, and all the coaches think it's not
Speaker 1: a catch. It's a broken rule fixed and the Dino
Speaker 1: Blandino thing doesn't work because you can't throw to Dino
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna say whatever. Technically the rule book
Speaker 1: might actually interpret it, it it doesn't really provide me any clarity.
Speaker 1: I'm more I look at a guy like nothing would
Speaker 1: well changing the rule with clarity is clear at least
Speaker 1: like Pereira, for instance, who used to be the VP
Speaker 1: of officiating. They throw it to him and he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Ask ask Calvin Johnson if that's asked,
Speaker 1: that's Brian. I mean, I don't know what to call.
Speaker 1: That's been my main point all along, the officials don't
Speaker 1: know the rule. And take a look at that catch
Speaker 1: by Golden Tate and then take a look at the
Speaker 1: Tyler Eiffort catch from a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 1: tell me which one should have been a touch that right,
Speaker 1: you'll pull your hair. I'll trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's just way too much gray area, and it's just
Speaker 1: and it's just taking attention away from the Cutler Stafford
Speaker 1: Dull in the dome that people were waiting for a
Speaker 1: thirty seven thirty four. Everyone's dogging these big chair there.
Speaker 1: Get out of the chair. It's too fir human that
Speaker 1: was waiting for. They made a movie out of this
Speaker 1: game would be called unwanted. J Cutler's best best player
Speaker 1: in the world is just kind of running around for
Speaker 1: a while and throwing it up deep to outside. Jeff
Speaker 1: Now he can do that again. It looks like it's
Speaker 1: totally different offense though with a Sean in it. I
Speaker 1: mean you can see the marked right was back. I
Speaker 1: mean that helps that. That bad with the Bears is
Speaker 1: they're they're competitive every week now because Jay Cutler is involved,
Speaker 1: and we were talking about this team is like a
Speaker 1: fourteen lost team when he was hurt. I agree with
Speaker 1: Colleen on Jeffrey though, because the Bears chiefs. I watched
Speaker 1: that on game Pass on Saturday and fell asleep in
Speaker 1: my chair watching it. Were involved, Well, there they were,
Speaker 1: but this is either a different office with are you
Speaker 1: but his two plays at the end of the game
Speaker 1: where maybe two Cutler plays of all time. You're talking
Speaker 1: about Cutler. It's a football game that's sixty minutes long.
Speaker 1: The first fifty nine minutes were an absolute disaster. I
Speaker 1: knew that you are a quiet closet Jay Cutler supporter,
Speaker 1: quiet about it. I've been supporting him a deck. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what you're Patriots fan and go put Jake
Speaker 1: Cutler on your Patriots and see how you like that.
Speaker 1: Four games Cutlers on Mount Rushmore, that mountain's gonna crumble.
Speaker 1: I did not expect to see old Sessler fire eyes
Speaker 1: talking about Cutler out of nowhere. You shot some fires.
Speaker 1: It's not I just think it's easy to say that
Speaker 1: you have all this love of Jay Cutler when he's
Speaker 1: there's still two and four. They're going to always be
Speaker 1: a team that his para and nothing important happens with
Speaker 1: him at quarterback. Name his big victories. Give me three
Speaker 1: big Jake Coulor victories or one you want to play,
Speaker 1: but he's just not as he just doesn't get that done.
Speaker 1: Got out played by Caleb Hainey in a playoff game. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: is there anything else we need to know about this game?
Speaker 1: Clings defense gave up over five and forty totally are
Speaker 1: that's right? They've been playing well? Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: because nobody has the same drives. They scored too quickly.
Speaker 1: They had been playing well, so now they have nothing
Speaker 1: to hold on. Good news, Mark. As we move on,
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens continue to slip off the radar radar anymore.
Speaker 1: They gone. They're latest set by came at the Big
Speaker 1: Bell Bottom and it ain't happen in Berlin. So give
Speaker 1: it off where the only ones keeping it going. Where
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick threw two touchdown passes to lead the forty
Speaker 1: Niners to twenty win over John Harbo's team. Mark we
Speaker 1: forked the Ravens playoff chances last week. Uh, no regrets
Speaker 1: after what we saw today. No, I mean, it's really
Speaker 1: only Baltimore Secondary can turn Colin Kaepernick into a functional quarterback.
Speaker 1: He played his best game of the year by far.
Speaker 1: Tore Smith even got a ball well. And that's the
Speaker 1: saddest thing because outside of Steve Smith, who he I
Speaker 1: think with kind of injury he had, I don't think
Speaker 1: we would even be getting out of bed is Eventually
Speaker 1: a broken back came in and every time he's on
Speaker 1: the field for the Baltimore he's the heart and soul
Speaker 1: of that entire team. But you watch an Kwan Bolden
Speaker 1: and Tori Smith each yards for Tory Smith, a hundred
Speaker 1: and two for bold And these were your receivers a
Speaker 1: few years ago. Now they're making plays for the forty
Speaker 1: Niners and there's nothing outside of Crockett Gilmore and Steve
Speaker 1: Smith in Baltimore or flack of got any tough to
Speaker 1: watch those two guys scoring it's a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: It's I guess you're not allowed to really say this
Speaker 1: because he's done so much, but Ozzie Newsom should get
Speaker 1: a little heat. You would think, right, you got this
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, your painting twenty million a year, and you
Speaker 1: didn't give him, you didn't give him the team. Well,
Speaker 1: you must have read my post because it was I think. Well,
Speaker 1: I might have erased it in the end, but it's basically,
Speaker 1: I feel like this front office put this team together
Speaker 1: poorly this season. There's no way around it. In the past,
Speaker 1: Baltimore has had what appeared to be weaknesses on paper
Speaker 1: and they shore it up and they're still going to
Speaker 1: win eleven or twelve games. There are distinct weaknesses with
Speaker 1: this team. Really. The secondary is an absolute Every week
Speaker 1: on the couch, m j D and I tell her
Speaker 1: both were referring to Flacco as a check down quarterback,
Speaker 1: which isn't exactly what you want to hear. He said
Speaker 1: that what his game works best when he has someone.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say this about any quarterback, but
Speaker 1: when ray Rice was there, that's when Joe Flacco could
Speaker 1: be his most effective. He had someone to check it down.
Speaker 1: To he doesn't have that. That is clearly not with
Speaker 1: their offenses. Correct that they said that and it's not true.
Speaker 1: They also laughed at me when I said that Brian
Speaker 1: Horror would start another game this year because Ryan Mounts
Speaker 1: don't cross west. We got to get Sally Wilcox's in
Speaker 1: the studio because he he laughed at Greg when he
Speaker 1: first came in around the NFL television show which we
Speaker 1: used to be on. Um. He laughed at Greg when
Speaker 1: Greg questioned Peyton Manning and then he disappeared. Let you
Speaker 1: were on this past Thursday, and they Sally was nowhere
Speaker 1: to be found. But they called that knockout t KO
Speaker 1: or they gotta try out someone else next week to
Speaker 1: defend Peyton Manning against you wait, hold on, how bad
Speaker 1: is Levi Stadium turf? Justin Tucker was foot like sunk
Speaker 1: into the field on that kick and he ended up missing.
Speaker 1: It's happened over and over that one of those fields
Speaker 1: against site of Super Bowl fifty. The kicker's foot disappeared
Speaker 1: in the turf when he planted like a giant like
Speaker 1: grass divot flies across space after he tried to you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was embarrassing, Yeah, it's a tough thing
Speaker 1: because they've they built up that stadium too for so
Speaker 1: long of like it's got all these twenty one century
Speaker 1: you know, innovations of the fan experience and everything is different,
Speaker 1: like you know when you're at the game. But you know,
Speaker 1: we can't, you know, make graphy has been a little overrated.
Speaker 1: They better calling Carl Speckler to head up that ground. Croupy,
Speaker 1: Bill Murray and Caddy set I thought you were ever
Speaker 1: twenty minutes on the watch. We'll get one of those
Speaker 1: references from talking Jim Toma, was that is there, George Toma.
Speaker 1: They used to really have kind of a field expert
Speaker 1: who would go around to the NFL field and pick
Speaker 1: them up. T can we get like some uh some
Speaker 1: type of signal or bell? Whenever West makes a dated
Speaker 1: cultural reference, we'll work on that, Okay, cool, I think
Speaker 1: that was or eight one a long time ago. But
Speaker 1: I did how about I did get the pee wee
Speaker 1: Herman dance today from Steve Smith. I did recognize that
Speaker 1: timeless though I felt like that was in Caddyshack time.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I forgot Dan hated Caddy. I am a
Speaker 1: little anti Caddy Shack. I don't know, I just never
Speaker 1: connected with me. It doesn't mean it's not good. Let's
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, I think it'd be good to move on.
Speaker 1: Do you wait? Do you like not particularly? It's fine? Greg, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. That's not a glowyor well.
Speaker 1: I don't think of when's the last time. It's like,
Speaker 1: how can you have an opinion about anything you haven't
Speaker 1: seen in the last ten years. I think they also
Speaker 1: be thrown out the window. What about airplane? I love airplanes.
Speaker 1: I have seen it, so there you go. But I've
Speaker 1: seen that recently and I still know that I like.
Speaker 1: I love it, Caddy Check. I feel like if I
Speaker 1: watched it now, I might not love its your thoughts,
Speaker 1: Caddischeck one of my top five favorite comedies, and I
Speaker 1: think you know you're not alone slightly on American If
Speaker 1: you don't like it, it is you take a lot
Speaker 1: of jabs west at um sports writers. I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorites. Like activities. The thing like
Speaker 1: sports writers, what they really like to do is listen
Speaker 1: to Bruce Springsteen and watch Caddy Shack. I love to
Speaker 1: do that also, but I don't like staying around all
Speaker 1: day quoting Caddy check and telling people how great Bruce,
Speaker 1: you would just like us to carve seven minutes out
Speaker 1: of the podcast to discuss it. It's about me. I
Speaker 1: don't think that I've been the one discussing marks in
Speaker 1: a rush, markets in a rush late in these Sundays.
Speaker 1: He wants to get out of anywhere possible. So let's
Speaker 1: move on to your old friend, Brian Hory or whore.
Speaker 1: With three touchdown passes, all of them a third down,
Speaker 1: and the Texans approved to two and four with at
Speaker 1: over the Jaguars West, the struggle for progress continues for
Speaker 1: one in five Jacksonville. Yeah, Blake Bortles is on pace
Speaker 1: now for four and three fifty yards and thirty five
Speaker 1: touchdowns and about three hundred backbreaking interceptions. I mean these
Speaker 1: their offense moves the ball. They look pretty explosive at times.
Speaker 1: But he had a backbreaking interception right before halftime, had
Speaker 1: another interception in the second half that that was really hurtful,
Speaker 1: and missed a couple of wide receivers who were wide
Speaker 1: open for potential long touchdowns. So I think as well
Speaker 1: as he's playing, he's not helping them in the wind column.
Speaker 1: At some point their progress is faced with reality, which
Speaker 1: is that if you're ranking teams based on results, their
Speaker 1: number thirty two right now because they just lost to
Speaker 1: the Bucks and the Texans in back to back weeks,
Speaker 1: therefore doesn't get worse than that, which is tie for
Speaker 1: the worst worst spot. And part of and the problem
Speaker 1: now too is let's say Bortles continues to make progress,
Speaker 1: but they go three and thirteen and manage or front
Speaker 1: office decides they need to start fresh with the GM
Speaker 1: and coach. Then Bordles has to start over the and
Speaker 1: once you get into that situation, that's how progress gets stunted.
Speaker 1: I don't think the offense because watching the Bucks game
Speaker 1: and then this parts of this one that the offense
Speaker 1: feels close. There are a lot of these long piece
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's interesting that it's the defense on
Speaker 1: a Gust Bradley team that had no pass rush last
Speaker 1: week when they needed it. There's no distinct element to
Speaker 1: this defense that sets it apart, and your years into
Speaker 1: Gus Gus Bradley's program, So I put it on the coach.
Speaker 1: Doesn't help that Blake Borls is also the team's leading
Speaker 1: rusher today. Yeah, if they don't get t J yelden Back.
Speaker 1: I mean Toby Garrhardt and den Ard Robinson, they're not
Speaker 1: going to get it done. They're back to where they
Speaker 1: were last year on the ground and this is that's
Speaker 1: a disaster. West is DeAndre Hopkins the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the league that nobody talks about. Yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson and Golden Tape used to be before people
Speaker 1: figured out they were good. DeAndre Hopkins is incredible. Hey,
Speaker 1: he made a bunch of circus catches today. He saw
Speaker 1: it pace for a hundred and forty catches two thousand
Speaker 1: yards in thirteen touched with the worst quarterback situation in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, the guy is unbelievable. And he's also
Speaker 1: has more targets at this point in the season than
Speaker 1: any wide receiver since Brian Lawyers. Like last five and
Speaker 1: a half quarters are sterling though that's fair. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he was amazing today last week and good this week.
Speaker 1: He it was facing the Jaguars defense which made the
Speaker 1: Buccaneers look good last year, and he has benefit of
Speaker 1: Arian Foster to help move the change. But that being said,
Speaker 1: he's so much better than Ryan Mallett. Yeah, I mean, Howyer,
Speaker 1: they probably should have. If this season isn't gonna go
Speaker 1: anywhere for Houston, they probably won't because Brian Hoyer, even
Speaker 1: if he started sixteen games, they weren't going to go off.
Speaker 1: But they probably should add a little more patience in
Speaker 1: hindsight because and half quarters that was so. But if
Speaker 1: we think Andy Dalton is gonna come back to I
Speaker 1: guarantee Brian Hoyer does. They're not gonna face Jacksonville every week.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on another team that needed a win.
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell for President, make America great again. Dan Campbell,
Speaker 1: the hulking interim coach, looked like a genius in his debut,
Speaker 1: turning the Dolphins into a ground and down beast and
Speaker 1: a win over the Titans. Colleen Well, the Dolphins lose
Speaker 1: another game with the teal incredible hulk wearing a heads um. Yes,
Speaker 1: but Dan Campbell, first of all, I felt like the
Speaker 1: orange collar he had on that polo was extra bright
Speaker 1: after they won. He was, I know, but it was
Speaker 1: just like he was radiating. I think after the comments
Speaker 1: that he was worried about throwing up on his shoes
Speaker 1: kind of thing before leading into the game. Um, the
Speaker 1: way that the defense responded in This was one of
Speaker 1: my biggest takeaways because they only had one sack coming
Speaker 1: into this game combined as a team, and just in
Speaker 1: the first half alone they had four sacks, five and
Speaker 1: a half sacks, and Cam Wake had four of them,
Speaker 1: so they were I mean, defensive line woke up such
Speaker 1: a difference from what we've seen this entire season. And
Speaker 1: I mean Ryan Tannehill, he didn't really respond any differently,
Speaker 1: but that defensive line did. And all right, so Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell's Joe Joe philmen sitting at home watching NTV, like, hey, great,
Speaker 1: Cameron Wake are best player by far, is healthy again?
Speaker 1: Gets four sacks and this clown in in a tight
Speaker 1: shirt gets all the credit for it, like he had
Speaker 1: anything to do and motivated the Oklahoma drill did the job.
Speaker 1: Give me a brighter collar, Lamar Miller, Miller, Joe Bibbs.
Speaker 1: Maybe you give the guy that was like a top
Speaker 1: ten running back in the league last year the rock
Speaker 1: and over a hundred yards. I mean, I didn't think
Speaker 1: we were going to see that, but he had more
Speaker 1: yards in this game than he had in combined the
Speaker 1: last three games. So he's finally running the ball and
Speaker 1: that's what they need to do. If they have him
Speaker 1: and he can do that, why aren't they running the
Speaker 1: ball more? And there was a little bit of controversy
Speaker 1: with a low hit on Arcus Mariotta of the Titans
Speaker 1: after the After the game, Ken wizzen Hunt, who might
Speaker 1: not be long for this job in Tennessee, he had
Speaker 1: this to say about a hit by Vernon on the
Speaker 1: defensive line of the Dolphins. I think it was bs.
Speaker 1: I think it should be taken out of the game.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not the way you play football. I
Speaker 1: think it was done with the idea of trying to
Speaker 1: heard our quarterback, and that's that's football, showing some fight.
Speaker 1: Good job, Ken, Yeah, your thoughts. Connor work covered this
Speaker 1: game for us and mentioned several times that he thought
Speaker 1: the Titans should have taken Marcus Mariotta out of the
Speaker 1: game because he was getting battered around so much in
Speaker 1: that the offensive line was getting clown suited by Cameron Wake,
Speaker 1: you know, and he got hurt. It appeared he was down,
Speaker 1: It looked terrible. It looked like he was gonna come out,
Speaker 1: and then he stayed in there. He showed some toughness,
Speaker 1: but maybe I wasn't on you know, Is that worried
Speaker 1: about him. This was the time to call off the dots,
Speaker 1: and he did. Eventually he put in Mettenberger when they
Speaker 1: were down I think seventeen in the fourth quarter, but
Speaker 1: he had to wear a knee brace when he went
Speaker 1: back into He said that Vernon apologized afterwards, which I
Speaker 1: know carries a whole lot of week. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the Titans are Workville, right because we were hanging on
Speaker 1: during their body's got to get together. Well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We can discuss. I know where my vote goes,
Speaker 1: because again, this is a THEFC South team that has
Speaker 1: zero going on when it counts. Retire to our conference room.
Speaker 1: Got some Danish, some coffee where that's only in the
Speaker 1: basement next to them. It's in the basement of the Alamo. See,
Speaker 1: I could do eighties references as well. Well, it's weird
Speaker 1: how you're just excluding Colleen automatically. I think it's worth,
Speaker 1: you know, inviting her to the committee. I vote for.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what we can use. It's our
Speaker 1: boys club. We'll buy one more day Dames in the club. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know cancer in the podcast man business. Of course,
Speaker 1: Colleen is welcome. We can save some Danish extra one, yeah,
Speaker 1: by one more so nice of you, thank you. I'd
Speaker 1: love Danish. What does that you have to say? I
Speaker 1: don't care, Sir Colleen. You've done it again. You've done
Speaker 1: it again. You've come in here, you delivered insight, you
Speaker 1: delivered some um, you know, keen insight on the games.
Speaker 1: You've you've brought in some humor. Please keep going. You
Speaker 1: really you're charming. Thank you charming coming here inside and
Speaker 1: keen inside. It's important, very different. So, uh, we will
Speaker 1: see you again next week. And um, so that's it, Colleen.
Speaker 1: As Colleen heads out the Wolf Woman, our attention to
Speaker 1: Sunday night football, the Indianapolis Colts at home against the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. You guys, you know there's there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of heat, little backstory in this one, something
Speaker 1: about deflated football's or were they west. Let's get into
Speaker 1: that first, now, just kidding, Let's just talk. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the game, the Colts and the Patriots, and uh,
Speaker 1: this is a game. Tom Brady throws over three yards,
Speaker 1: throws for three touchdowns. The Garrett Blunt rushes for ninety
Speaker 1: yards and a touch The Pats jump ahead, stay ahead,
Speaker 1: end up winning the game um by a final score
Speaker 1: of thank you thirty four seven. My computer shutting down
Speaker 1: like my sinus cavity right now. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is a game that was a close game, and surprisingly close.
Speaker 1: People thought this would be the biggest blot in history
Speaker 1: eighty burger talk going around. But this was a six
Speaker 1: point game with late in the third quarter when Chuck
Speaker 1: Bugano called to play that quite frankly, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: If things go the wrong way and the and their
Speaker 1: owners acts a certain way, it could cost Chucky's job.
Speaker 1: He calls a bizarre fake punt attempt attempt involving Griff Whalen,
Speaker 1: who is, of course, uh the centerpiece of Connor or
Speaker 1: is uh his Madden Football team? Um, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do as a fourth and
Speaker 1: three play. If you're watching on YouTube, you could uh
Speaker 1: an NFL now, you could check it out right here.
Speaker 1: The play is snapped for whatever is an immediately a loscus.
Speaker 1: There was five Patriots defenders. The Patriots quickly take over
Speaker 1: score again that ended up being all they needed. They
Speaker 1: gave up a late score thirty seven final Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: listen thrown a bease if you will not what you're
Speaker 1: looking for in terms of a blowout that made the
Speaker 1: cultural terror. Wasn't looking for a blowout. Great, you go
Speaker 1: to play one of your biggest rivals from the last decade.
Speaker 1: Although it's been a one sided rivalry ever since Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck's been there, they haven't won a game. This was
Speaker 1: the closest game, and they pretty much did what they
Speaker 1: wanted to do on offense. If it wasn't for Julian
Speaker 1: Edelman's drop that turned into a pick six, this game
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't look quite as close in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: that with that play, it was all the enjoyment I
Speaker 1: needed at it tonight. That was and that will be
Speaker 1: the narrative for you know, obnoxious Pats fans is that well,
Speaker 1: we got that trick play and that's all we needed.
Speaker 1: But it was very embarrassing by the cults. I mean
Speaker 1: it was it was the play that that's how this
Speaker 1: game will ultimately be remembered. I mean we saw on
Speaker 1: television the Chuck boganos seemed to mouth to Griff Whale
Speaker 1: and afterwards like why did you snap that? Because it's well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to hear more from the coach himself, but
Speaker 1: it seems like they were trying to draw the Patriots
Speaker 1: off sides. They jumbled the defense around. They got a
Speaker 1: little bit caught off guard. But the Patriots are wise.
Speaker 1: They kept five guys right home over griff Whale and
Speaker 1: when he snapped it, they just smothered him and it
Speaker 1: was over. And then they then from there the Killers,
Speaker 1: they just marched in for a touchdown. To what end.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the Colts were doing on
Speaker 1: that play. I am genuinely curious to hear the philosophy
Speaker 1: behind that formation. Well, maybe maybe Griff Whalen, who has
Speaker 1: been the enterpiece of Connor's Madden team, Uh it's a
Speaker 1: Patriots post to flate Gate team that maybe moving to
Speaker 1: another city. Maybe he's maybe he was secretly trying to
Speaker 1: win this game for the Patriots. I don't know how
Speaker 1: this all makes sense between the two worlds. But like
Speaker 1: griff Will, Whalen did get a touchdown later in the game.
Speaker 1: So the Colts aren't even allowed to set up in
Speaker 1: that formation. Apparently, why would they even try it was?
Speaker 1: It was one of the worst plays in special teams
Speaker 1: history that you could ever ever think of. But it's
Speaker 1: got a distracted from the fact that Andrew Luck really
Speaker 1: struggled in the second half. Maybe he's not healthy, maybe
Speaker 1: he is, but he was spraying passes. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's the most accurate quarterback, at least compared to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He's at the same level of you know, the top
Speaker 1: five to ten quarterbacks. He's not always the most accurate,
Speaker 1: but he was spraying passes. I think it's fair to
Speaker 1: ask if he if his shoulders not back to strength yet,
Speaker 1: because he didn't. It's not the same guy that we've
Speaker 1: seen before. He guessn't play well all year. That's true
Speaker 1: before before the string shoulder. I didn't think he was
Speaker 1: throwing well in the season opener or Week two. Had
Speaker 1: a good first drive where they go down to the
Speaker 1: field and they have short passes, but the Patriots seemed
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out how to drop another guy
Speaker 1: underneath and when you took away the first read. This
Speaker 1: isn't what the Luck that we've seen that when you
Speaker 1: take away the first read he gets flammix. But that
Speaker 1: that's what was happening. It seems like with the Patriots
Speaker 1: every week too. They know they did a pretty good
Speaker 1: job on Rob Minkowski held to fifty yards, but when
Speaker 1: that happens one of the other chess pieces blows up.
Speaker 1: Danny al Mendola has a big night. It just seems
Speaker 1: like every week it's a revolving star for this team,
Speaker 1: no matter what they do. In the defensive line really
Speaker 1: got a lot of pressure unluckily in the game. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite moment, I know this is gonna sound
Speaker 1: like a homer late in the game, Tom Brady, it's
Speaker 1: second and four, they're trying to kill the clock and
Speaker 1: he has an unbelievably bad delay of game. Did you
Speaker 1: guys see that unbelievably bad delay of game coming out
Speaker 1: of a Colts time out? And he wasn't even close
Speaker 1: to snapping the ball, And you can see Belichick in
Speaker 1: the headset going g D Tommy, you know what the
Speaker 1: was that? Like he was getting asson. He's getting pissed
Speaker 1: at Tom Brady because it was a terrible mistake with
Speaker 1: three minutes left in the game. It's like, that's why
Speaker 1: I like the Here come the trumpets and the page boys.
Speaker 1: As Greg gets carried around the New England Territory children
Speaker 1: with grapes and a harp sun. The sun has a
Speaker 1: face and it's smiling down upon the throne of ease,
Speaker 1: and you know what next week five and oh Pats
Speaker 1: four and one Jets, that will be fun. On the
Speaker 1: other side, the Colts now they're three and three, which
Speaker 1: is okay when you're playing the a f C South,
Speaker 1: but you have you have New Orleans at home and
Speaker 1: the Saints. We're not gonna go crazy about the Saints,
Speaker 1: but they could they could be frisky in that spot.
Speaker 1: And then you go at Carolina that's an undefeated team,
Speaker 1: and then home to Denver. Be careful, be careful. Indeed,
Speaker 1: this they could spiral on it. They could win this
Speaker 1: division at seven and nine. Be careful. A t NFL
Speaker 1: podcast who's already forked the Texans and has the Jaguars
Speaker 1: lined up for forking, then think about the Titans division.
Speaker 1: That's how we got in trouble last year. We fourked
Speaker 1: everyone but the Saints last year in the NFC South
Speaker 1: and then we got banged. I don't know, I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: watch out, like that could spire a lot of control
Speaker 1: because and they could be three and five, is I
Speaker 1: guess what you're saying. Maybe they could be six. They
Speaker 1: could be first of all, the Saints on the road.
Speaker 1: You know, let's not let's let's not get carried away.
Speaker 1: They lost to the Eagles by twenty nine the last
Speaker 1: time they were on the road. Uh, and so what
Speaker 1: if they were three and six? Three and six is
Speaker 1: very likely first place in the a f C S. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's a great division. Guess anything else. West will give
Speaker 1: you the last word on this game. Pats win. Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football. I need to be here, well said, I
Speaker 1: could use one as well. That is our Sunday Nights Spectacular.
Speaker 1: We covered every game. Uh and it was a great
Speaker 1: job by all. The effort was there execution We'll have
Speaker 1: to listen back to know, but the effort I could tell.
Speaker 1: Everybody was totally involved. So that's it. Um. We will
Speaker 1: be back on Tuesday with another week of shows. Mark
Speaker 1: the wheel goes round and round and round. So we
Speaker 1: will talk about the Monday night game preview, Thursday Night Football,
Speaker 1: the news, all the fun stuff. Mark will be on
Speaker 1: his way to London by then. Well yeah, I have
Speaker 1: fun game time decision. Then you're leaving them good. So
Speaker 1: that's that's what lies ahead. But until then, this is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansens signing off for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman,
Speaker 1: the Pop, the Boss, TV and everybody else. Behind the
Speaker 1: Glass Tuesday,