WEBVTT - Week 6 recap 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.960 The Around the NFL Podcast. We'll need some time to 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.799 adapt to the pro game. Welcome back to another edition 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.800 of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dana Hansas, 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:14.680 and I am joined by a room failed Well here 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:19.200 I was Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, Greg Rose Thal what's up? Boys? 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:25.040 Feeling it O? Greg is having the time of his 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.120 life on this Sunday. I can tell well, it's nice 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.280 that Dan. You know, last Sunday he wasn't here, and 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:33.440 now I can just kick back and relax. We basically 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.440 just sit here. It's Dan show now certainly not my show, 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.320 but this is the YouTube Sunday night show you'll see. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.920 And I have a sinus infection, so everyone, do you 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:47.000 be careful. Not feeling great fighting through Chris Rose one 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:51.240 of our hosts also on MLB Network NFL Network, he said, 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.279 the number one thing when you're ill and you're an 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.760 on ire guy, tell people that you're ill. Make light 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.840 of it. It puts the whole thing to develop some sympathy. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:01.920 Are you I see you also give you tips on 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.320 name dropping. Yeah, Chris Rowles, you know he's a nice guy. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.760 I had a nice conversation with him. Anyway. Yeah, it's 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.960 you gotta organize when you do the Sunday show. It's 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.320 our flagship show here at Around the NFL Podcast, where 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.039 we go over every single Sunday game, including the Sunday 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.520 Night Football showdown between the Cults and Patriots, which we'll 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.440 get to at the bottom of the show. But there's 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.680 a lot of stuff to talk about today. Mark, you uh, 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.160 you had a nice Sunday. I sat across from you. Uh. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.600 You got a little upset about the Browns. We'll get 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.360 to a little later, but in general you seem to 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.560 be in good spirits. Mark, Well, you know, part of 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.160 our job is just to maintain and to get through it, 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.080 and that's what I did. It was quite a fun 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.319 Sunday by the Barks going to London Market on his 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.600 way to London on Tuesday. So any of our listeners 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.720 that are in London, you and Connor and Mark, you 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.280 guys gotta figure out where the big meet up is 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.560 gonna be next Friday or Saturday. I'll leave that to 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.920 you guys. Yeah, by Mark, some couple of pints. I 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.600 cannot wait to meet some of the English followers of 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.160 the show. Is it true that you actually spent some 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.839 time in your life in England. Yes, it's been it's 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.920 been chronicled. I lived there when I was a young boy, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.400 and I'm gonna try there's any break in the schedule, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:17.079 I'm gonna get out to Weybridge, where I lived, if 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.280 I can find a way to get there. I actually 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.720 googled Gary bar Barnage today to find out if he 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.720 was English. He sounds English. Gary Barnage the Gara Bonnage, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.960 Kentucky from Yeah, I thought so, but just in case 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.120 I missed it. Sometimes you know, something will go off 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.520 your radar and you should know, but you didn't. Gary 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.799 Bonnage historically totally a brit I'm sure, way back in 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.720 the Barnage Fim lineage. So yes, a lot of good 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.920 games to get to, and I don't there should be 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.280 nothing else. We should just get to it least so much. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.000 So many games to get to, and we'll start like 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.480 we did at least two weeks ago. Greg, I don't know. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.840 I did listen to the show. None of it stuck 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.760 with me. Uh, totally forgettable. Two weeks ago. We lead. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.200 Now it was a great show. We're like two weeks 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.200 ago we lead with all the undefeated teams. So let's 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.400 keep doing that. And we'll start with the Carolina Panthers, 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.880 who we all thought, or most of America thought that 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:11.760 this would be the end of the Panthers as an 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.000 undefeated team. They're going to the clink Seattle Seahawks, They're 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.639 gonna get it together. But guess what, things didn't work 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.480 out that way, because the Panthers remain undefeated after staging 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.519 a dramatic fourth quarter rally uh the end three win 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:31.880 over the Seahawks at the Clink. Gregg, the Panthers are 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.640 six and oh, am I correct, that is incorrect. The 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.040 Panthers are five and oh the Seahawks are in deep, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.640 deep trouble, which reality surprises you more the Panthers being undefeated. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.360 I know they had an easy schedule early, but this 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.560 this proved they're a different sort of Panthers team. And 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 I know Cam Newton's had some nice moments in his career. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.640 He had a game winning drive to beat the Saints 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.160 to win the NFC South in two thousand thirteen. He 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.600 beat the Patriots on Monday Night Football ones. I thought 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.080 this was the most impressive thing I've ever seen from 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.800 Cam Newton. To be down twenty to seven in the 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:08.280 second half, against his Seahawks to be down going midway 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.840 through the fourth quarter and rip off two straight e 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.760 D yard drives. And these weren't cheap drives where he's 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.800 getting penalties and running. He's throwing lasers down the heart 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.520 of their defense, passed their legion of boom into tight windows. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.560 He was just razor sharp when it mattered most. And 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.839 I am watching this game and I'm thinking which quarterback 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.200 do I want at the end of games right now? 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.040 Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. I want Cam Newton. I mean, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.520 based on this season, there's there's not a lot of 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.440 the debate the legitimate MVP candidate at the stage of 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.839 the season right I don't think so in the season 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.000 where Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have played this well, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.080 because I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.080 fair to them. Andy Dalton, I'd thrown there too, because 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.320 I don't think Cam has been that great each and 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.760 every week. But that's not taking anything away from what 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.120 he did. Whenever they absolutely needed a drive, they did it. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.159 It was a d yard drives, four of them in 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.640 the game. In their other whole nine drives, they only 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.360 had sixty three yards so it was. It was an 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.800 uneven game like that. We talked on the last show 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.880 about you know, listen, Caroline is going to have to 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.880 have one of these signature wins before we take them 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:12.839 seriously because it's all fair. But is this actually that win? 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.200 Is this Seattle team that good? Is it well? Because 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.640 all they all these losses have been by one scores, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.400 two pretty good teams, and they looked very good for 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.880 most of the day, just like they did last week. 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.359 And the games they're losing, I mean, there's to the 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.200 Bengals at the end, it's to the Packers in the 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.839 fourth quarter, it's to the Panthers, And just watching it, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.320 I didn't think the Seahawks gave this game away. Granted, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.760 they made a big mistake maybe we'll talk about that 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.360 on the last play where Greg Olsen scored. There was 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.040 some sort of miscommunication between Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.440 But other than that, the Panthers earned everything they got. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.960 And even if the Seahawks going the tank this year 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.080 and finished seven and nine at this stage of the 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.960 season going into today, it was still understood to be 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.039 very difficult to win West in that spot, and the 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.880 Carolina Panthers went in there and did it, And to me, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.560 it's like, now you could legitimately worry about the Seahawks 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.440 teamum My, right, I I'm not that worried about there. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.080 They're one of four teams with a losing record and 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.680 a positive point differential. They have the talented roster, they've 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.120 got good coaching well in the Cardinals, so you so 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.240 it's gonna be tough there now too, there's still two 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.880 games behind the Cardinals, so that's a problem. It's gonna 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.680 be tougher to win three road games potentially if they 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.280 don't win this division. When you're at two and four, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.159 it's gonna be harder to win your division. None of 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.200 that bothers me. We were at a similar place last 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.920 year at this time, and the Seahawks got everyone, got 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.279 everyone back, became the most dominant team in the league. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.880 I just I look at their roster and their coaching staff, 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.839 and I think and basically their results, they've fourth quarters, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:37.360 they haven't come through, but that doesn't mean they're not 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.040 a good team. By with you, I don't think it's 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.520 time to panic. It is positive. Also to look at 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.640 what Jimmy Graham did today, it sound like you finally 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.160 had the game that we thought he'd have from wire 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.200 to wire with this team. That's fine that, you know, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:49.960 Graham did have his best game in the year. But 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.400 and what you're gonna hear this week, people are gonna 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.440 because I felt like there were two many excuses made 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.560 for the defense last week and their meltdown against Cincinnati. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.960 They said, offense isn't take enough time off the clock 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.080 in your building with the lead coming off that terrible 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.800 loss last week, You've gotta finish. You gotta finish the 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.520 game and the Seattle just like in the super Bowl, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.680 and they couldn't close it out. They could not close 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.480 this game out. And against the Panthers, which you know, 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.160 Cam Newton's playing great, he played great today, but that 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.760 they made Cam Newton the Panthers look like the best 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.840 offense ever when it's January and Doug Baldwin is honking 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.240 about everybody disrespecting them in October, he's talking to Dany 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.960 That's fine. I'm not going to be that guy. It's 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.400 a thing that they collapse late in games. It's a thing. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.560 Their last five losses have now been games where they've 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.920 led in the fourth quarter. So far this season, I 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.960 think it's they've been outscored seventy six to seven in 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.400 the fourth quarter. So when they got to the fourth 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.280 quarter in the stadium there they put up you know, 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.160 fourth quarter, everyone starts going for everyone starts going crazy. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.920 You know, here's our time. I think they got a 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.840 field goal to start off the quarter and everyone you 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.960 know in the building is thinking about it. They're talking 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.680 about it. And what do they do? They give up 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.840 to a d R drives to a team that has 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:04.080 one receiver. Devin fun just dropped me past it. Today. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.840 Greg Olsen is having the best season of his career. 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.200 He have one receiver and a team that's not known 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.760 for throwing the ball, and they just go right down, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.600 just like last week that the Bengals did. And they 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.200 do nothing on offense too well, it's bad, it's in 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.280 their head. But part of it last year and the 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.600 reason they were so dangerous was they can chew up 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.760 the clock and just beat you up with the running game. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.280 And I know you wrote that Marshawn Lynch looked great 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.160 today looked a lot better. But still it's fifty four yards. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.040 That's a that's a hundred yards lesson he'd have in 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.280 games last year at times. Yeah, they didn't get it 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.800 done on the ground. I just thought he looked good 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.440 on a few runs very close of he looked healthy. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.920 But Jonathan Stewart was the better runner in this game. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.480 He he that's encouraging. He fought through a lot of tackles. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.120 He played really well. It's just got se darts from 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.200 that can. It's fun to see Panthers have a nine 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.320 game regular. Williams is a problem by the way too. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.440 He's becoming more and more of a problem every week. 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:54.760 They tried to pick on him. I mean, he had 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.760 an up and down game, but he's becoming a problem 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.319 for that team. The Panthers deserve credit. I mean I 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.160 was one of probably many people that kind of wrote 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.720 them off as the weakest undefeated team early on. But 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.360 now you gotta take him seriously. That was a gut 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.760 checking another undefeated team, the Denver Broncos and Peyton Manning, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.240 who has been carried by his defense this year. Let's 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.360 face it, they had to carry him again today. He 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.719 threw three more interceptions, including a pick six, but the 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:25.920 Broncos got a late Brendan mcmadis field goal in overtime 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.880 to escape with a win. Over the Cleveland Browns. Greg, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.920 I'll throw this to you again. The Broncos are now 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.880 six and oh. But does any of this really matter? 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.400 If Peyton Manning is gonna be one of the five 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.760 worst quarterbacks in football, and honestly, I'm not in a 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:42.960 Joe King doesn't matter if if this is how Peyton 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:47.600 Manning is gonna be, yes, because one that assumes that 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.560 Peyton Manning will stay that way, and even if he 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.920 does stay that way, they at this rate, they're gonna 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.000 have a buy in the playoffs in a home game, 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.320 and the way this defense is playing, they're gonna have 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.720 a chance to win every week. It's crazy to watch 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.880 a Broncos team get worse and worse on offense each 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.600 week like this, though, I thought this is the week 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:09.160 where it finally ends. Joe Hayden is out, t Shaun 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.240 Gibson is out. This is one of the worst five 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:14.440 or six defenses in the league. And yet I would 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.120 say this was the worst game Peyton Manning had all season. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.520 He did have a few good throws, That's the thing. 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.480 People say, like he can't throw the ball anywere He 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.480 had three or four really good throws. But he keeps 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.400 making the mental errors. He should have lost this game 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:27.959 a million times. And it was on the Browns that 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.240 they didn't take his reaction after the third pick mark 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.640 when Peyton he like grabbed at his face mask and 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.760 it was like he almost couldn't believe it. If you're 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.480 watching on YouTube, you could see it here, like he 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.520 couldn't even believe that he's making these errors. It's because 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.640 helegraph throws. Their mental errors, and Damarius Thomas did not 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.000 help him at all in fourth quarter or overtime too 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.120 terrible drops. But Manning his remains the problem, and yet 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.280 they're still undefeating. Greg nailed at Cleveland, came into the 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.840 game with I think one interceptional season. They're not a 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.880 team that last year they were delivering turnovers, they're not 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.040 this year. And of them to pick on him the 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.240 way they did, it was almost like and I was 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.959 sort of watching this off to the corner of my eye. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.319 I was covering a different game, but you were almost 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.320 counting on on Manning making another blunder. It's like every 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.000 couple he just kept doing it over and over and 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.280 throwing bizarre and completions as well. He missed some throws 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:17.720 by a lot. I don't know if it was the 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.319 weather he had the glove on. I mean it was 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.000 under fifty degrees. That's the first time this you know, season, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.480 for a Manning game he was off target. He also, 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.720 like I said, made some big, big throws. But this 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.480 is something we are relying on at every week. He 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.600 leads the league in interceptions. I mean, that's who he 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.160 is right now. That's why I sat with Marco on this. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.040 Come playoff time, I don't think you can just trot 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:37.760 the defense out there and say they're gonna win. Now. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.880 They have to get their Their opponents this year are 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.440 combined ten and twenty four. They're gonna be facing a 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.320 lot better teams in the playoffs. And are you counting 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.560 the Broncos wins and that that's not that's not fair. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.600 When people do that, you get the point. Make a 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.960 ten and twenty they're bad teams. But you know this 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.679 is he's my new litmus test guy Jordy Nelson used 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.160 to be the litmus test. If you're watching football games, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.200 you know he's great. Who are they going to trot 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.560 out next week to argue against you on on NFL 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.839 network Someone who's not watching games and insists Manning is 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:11.880 a good quarterback, and they're they're telling us what they 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.880 think of him with the play calling, with these runs 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.120 on third and long and all the third down throws 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:17.760 are short of the sticks and they're just hoping for 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.439 yards after contact. And one of the big arguments has 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.520 been the offensive line is not playing well and the 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.080 running games not playing well. He was protected fine. The 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.679 Browns did not have much of a pass rush today. Uh, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.040 the running game was good throughout. They really gave the 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.960 ball to Ronnie Hillman as the primary back for most 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.760 of the game, and that was how they were moving 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.920 the ball. He was good and C. J. Anderson did 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.439 all the work in the overtime drive. This from Ronnie 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.160 Hillman on social media after the game. You need to 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.280 get off Peyton. That's our QB bottom line. You fake fans. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:48.600 Don't say anything when he's winning us the game. S MH, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.800 which means mark what shaking my head? That's what he's doing. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.400 It's like, it's one of the dumbest, one of the 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.360 dumbest things online because it just I don't know what 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.480 I don't need to and there are a lot of 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.880 dumb things online. I agree with you on that. I Also, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.400 I don't need to hear that these players every week 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.240 telling the fans what to do and who's fake and 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.840 who's real. It's like fans can boo or get on 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.760 a player when he's struggling as mightily as Peyton mannings 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.440 Mark were you were you s m Chen? You know 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.920 after that Josh McCown interception, because we should talk about 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:23.800 the brown side of thing. They had the ball past 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.280 midfield at the end of regulation, Josh McCown to a 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.000 big interception. They picked off Manning and overtime and had 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.920 the ball around the forty at that point they only 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.880 needed what five yards to get into It went back 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.000 and they went back back backwards. What are you feeling about, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.800 Josh McCown Right, Well, it was like the reverse of 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:44.880 a Raffle copter about that because it listens. It just 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.240 seemed like Cleveland. We talked about this way with the Jaguars, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:51.720 where you start to see hints of a team developing, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.800 but they don't have the d n A from the 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.320 coach on down on how to win these kind of games. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.960 Cleveland did last week, but that was the Ravens and 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.360 we found out they were just a good team. It's 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.960 Browns fans are still expecting that mistake to happen and 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.840 then got until that changes. This is a typical type 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:09.760 of Brown's loss. As bad as Manning wasn't this game, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.880 Josh McCown was worse. And that was one He said 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.400 he was trying to throw the ball out of bounds, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.080 which makes more sense than what just throwing it up 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.520 for grabs, which he did. But he makes those plays 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.840 where he's surrounded by guys and he just throws it 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.840 high up in the air. He was also facing a 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:27.520 much more difficult defense. Was this the best game and 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.960 offenses played against Denver? Now? I I they had a 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.200 ton of drives. I'd love to go look quickly, but 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.600 they the fact as they were going three and ounce 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:37.920 back and forth the whole game. They didn't even get 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.600 three hundred yards in this game on fifteen drives something 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.960 like that. So the Panthers and Broncos remained perfect, as 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.920 do Chris Westling the Cincinnati ben Gals. Andy Dalton threw 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.120 three touchdown passes a thirty four one victory over the 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.040 Buffalo Bills in Orchard Park. West A J. Green neutralized 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.680 in this game, and yet Andy Dalton's still thrive. There's 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.240 something different going on here, isn't there. Yeah, when I 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.360 think about this game, I think of two things. One, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.880 how loaded the Bengals roster is that they really have 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.119 no weak points, and two that the Bill's defense is overrated. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.160 M the Bengals offense. I mean, everybody talks about the 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.000 Cowboys offensive behind Andy Dalton never gets touched. He has 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.680 all day back there to pick defenses apart. And then 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.840 when you take away a J Green, because the Bills 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.480 do take away number one wide receivers, that's what their 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.640 defense does. But Marvin Jones has Marvin Jones has a 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.240 great game. Tyler I Ford is a great red zone weapon. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.200 Geo Bernard picked up a bunch of first downs. They 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.880 have so many weapons. And Mario Williams came out and 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.360 kind of questioned the defense a little bit and the 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:43.120 scheme itself, which is funny because two seasons ago, with 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.920 a similar scheme under Mike Petton, they sent a franchise 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.840 record for sacks. They had a ton of sacks last season, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.520 and they have something they're very low right now. They're 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.040 just after nine sacks on the season and market to 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.080 the corn like he you know, he set the record 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.520 for dropping back into coverage. Look any any coverage that 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.080 you have Mario Williams in it, and they're only rushing three. 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.760 You can understand why that front four, which is so good, 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.160 is going to be frustrated. They think Rex is out 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.120 smarty himself. And more importantly, Kyle Williams left with a 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.280 knee injury. It looked like it might be serious. It 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.760 sounds like he won't make the trip. They're they're leaving 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.200 as we speak. They're leaving Sunday night for London. It 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.000 sounds like Kyle Williams will be staying home, which is 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.400 a big loss. And the Bills are now three and three, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.760 And in a weird way, it's a sneaky, maybe blessing 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.000 in disguise, because there was these strange reports before the game, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.400 one from rap sheet um that e J Manuel had 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.320 a chance to hold on to the starting job if 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.240 he played well in this game, which I didn't get 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.080 a chance to see every one of the snaps in 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.160 this game, but it doesn't appear that Manuel have the 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.880 type of game that would lead to a quarterback controversy. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.360 But that's you know, you didn't want any of that 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.400 leaking out there. You didn't want any of the discussion, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.120 whether it's real or manufactured in the media by or 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.280 by an agent or by a GM that has other interests. 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.960 But that's just bad news. So Manuel not playing well 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:01.880 and put that to bed. It's kind of a good 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.720 thing to come out of a bad loss. It's totally 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.480 disruptive and it begs the question of have we have 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.000 the people inside the team not watched Tyrod Taylor and 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.400 the great not like something about him if it came 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.719 from the team, how did how did Manuel look? He's terrible. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.680 I mean, his fall placement is just among the worst 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.960 you'll ever see. His decision making is bad. They went 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.960 three four or four and for three an ounce in 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.000 the first half when Andy Dalton was running away with 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.560 the game. I don't know why. What was the point 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:35.920 of that report? I mean, you lessen Taylor, Taylor's leadership 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:40.040 on the team. Under your starter, it's supposed to be 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.560 pumping up b J. Manuel, and it's it's someone that 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.360 really believes that if you're pumping up EJ. Manuel, you're 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.719 not doing it two hours before game time on a Sunday, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.119 where e J m the cost of your starter and 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.439 it's you know, It's funny because like Greg Roman in 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.399 San Francisco, they made a switch at quarterback during the 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.880 season after spending so much time in practice with Colin Kaepernick. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:01.960 We don't know what they're seeing behind the scenes. Well 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.680 they don't. They don't like it that the Taylor doesn't 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.240 see Sammy Watkins because he's short. He's a short quarterback, 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.600 but maybe he just doesn't see the field well in general, 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.520 you know what that's if that's his his biggest evil. 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:20.879 It's about and Sammy Watkins touched that catch. They got 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.720 hurt again on crutches after the half, and it's just like, 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.119 you know, this guy can come out and ask for 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:26.560 the ball and you gotta stay on the field to 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.200 the worst thing this could be this could be would 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.880 be it would be Doug Walley who put his job 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.960 on the line by going to get Watkins and then 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.240 him reacting to Watkins going to the media about needing 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.560