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Speaker 1: Jedie Warris. Welcome to The Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury. I'm Todd z

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Speaker 2: A lucky brought to you by Follo Territory Network, The

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Speaker 2: Philly Show. It is Tuesday, November nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: We talk some.

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Speaker 3: Ball, baby talk the ball.

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Speaker 2: How about we did some We did more than ball

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Speaker 2: talk last week. Did some horse racing talk?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That really fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Worth. If you haven't listened to the Jason Worth episode

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Speaker 2: or watch it on YouTube, I had a lot of

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Speaker 2: people reach out to me and say they absolutely loved them. Mean,

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Speaker 2: Jason like brought it last week in terms of telling

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Speaker 2: great stories about horse racing. And he told some great

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Speaker 2: Philly stories, the Pat Gillick story when he first came

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Speaker 2: back to play for the Phillies. And I've never heard

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Speaker 2: that before.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's great. That's kind of sitting and it's real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean really good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know you guys love the too. I know because

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Speaker 2: we were texting back and forth afterward. How much fun

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Speaker 2: we had.

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Speaker 1: Who did you hear from Todd that enjoyed the episode?

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Speaker 2: I just heard from a lot of like random like

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Speaker 2: like friends and stuff like that that listened to the podcast,

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Speaker 2: and man, I really loved you know, Jason. He was

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Speaker 2: great talking about the horse racing, you know, he you know,

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Speaker 2: he was a lot of fun talking about baseball.

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Speaker 3: He loved me.

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Speaker 2: Loved the story of Chase being superstitious covering his eyes

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Speaker 2: as he looked out to the right field when Jason

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Speaker 2: was playing out there because he thought it was jinxing

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Speaker 2: the pictures, and and you know the stuff you had

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Speaker 2: to say about Bryce, Bryce Harper as a kid, as

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Speaker 2: a nineteen year old rookie or whatever he was it was,

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Speaker 2: it was great as well. So, yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 2: if you haven't checked that out, go check it out.

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Speaker 1: Seems like everybody, everybody's got a good Chase story, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, That's kind of why I've been anytime we

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Speaker 2: have one of his old teammates on, I've I've made

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Speaker 2: a point to ask because they've all got something like

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Speaker 2: over the top that you really don't feel like you

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Speaker 2: hear from a lot of When.

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Speaker 1: When he said Chase would turn around and look at

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Speaker 1: him at right field, it actually reminded me of the

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Speaker 1: story that when during VP and infield practice, you know,

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Speaker 1: pregame workouts. When Chase thought the infield was too dry

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Speaker 1: and playing too hard and choppy, he would turn around

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Speaker 1: to that window where Mike book Hold of the ground

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Speaker 1: screw guy had his office, and he bombed the window

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Speaker 1: with balls until Bookholder would come out and spray the

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Speaker 1: field and soften it up. That reminded me of that.

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Speaker 3: So the beauty about Chase for me was that what

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Speaker 3: he presented to the world was way way different from

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Speaker 3: what he was, you know, in the clubhouse. And you

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Speaker 3: guys got a chance to see that. He and Worth

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Speaker 3: and some other guys, you know, Worth showing sort of

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Speaker 3: having more personality with you guys, and Chase always being,

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Speaker 3: you know, mister stoic, mister professional. But he man, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of cool Chase stories and what he was about.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the bottom line for Chase was it was

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Speaker 3: all about winning a baseball game that day, right. All

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Speaker 3: he cared about was figuring out a way to beat

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Speaker 1: And Jason was always really uh, here was the first

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Speaker 1: one on that high five line, right, Todd, was Jason.

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Speaker 2: He was exactly he was uh, you know, you remind

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Speaker 2: me of speaking of this is a funny story that

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Speaker 2: I heard over the years is that Chase was always

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Speaker 2: get ready super early for a game, like an hour

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Speaker 2: Jason would just go have a good game, Chase Like Chase.

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Speaker 2: Jason would be like in a towel an hour before

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Speaker 2: the game, like not even close to being ready to go,

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Speaker 2: and there's Chase at his locker like, all right, you

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Speaker 1: Gotta get ready.

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Speaker 2: So that was funny. Yeah, go listen to the Jason

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Speaker 2: Worth episode if you haven't checked it out already. I

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Speaker 2: promise you you will not regret it. But yeah, it's Tuesday, Tuesday. Uh,

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Speaker 2: not a lot has been going on, guys, for the

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Speaker 2: Phillies I've been I'm sure you guys have been getting

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Speaker 2: askedes too, right.

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Speaker 3: Like what are they doing?

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Speaker 2: Why is it taking so long? So Ruben, I want

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Speaker 2: to ask you because you were one of these guys

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Speaker 2: when when you were in Dave Nebrowski's shoes and Jim

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you what do you think is

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Speaker 2: in baseball? Do you think do you think it's teams

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Speaker 2: sitting there going we need to see where Jan Soto's

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Speaker 2: going is? Is that the domino that has to fall?

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Speaker 2: Is that a total outlier from everything? Are teams that

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Speaker 2: might be interested in Alec Bohm, for just for an example,

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Speaker 2: sitting there going, I don't want to get involved in

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Speaker 2: Alec Bowm until I find out if we get Alex Bregman.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Why why are things going so slow

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it's a sort of a domino effect.

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Speaker 3: And I think when one when you have one player

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Speaker 3: They're going to want to see that that deal get done,

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Speaker 3: because then it would drag everybody else. Now all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, like who's the next best you know, who's

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Speaker 3: the next best free agent? Well, the next best free

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Speaker 3: and they just want to see how far it gets dragged.

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Speaker 3: So you know, he's gonna set the market for the

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Speaker 3: free agents for this class and then there everybody else

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Speaker 3: is gonna ride the coattails, baby, And and I think

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Speaker 3: part of that is that, and part of it is

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Speaker 3: teams are deciding, Okay, if Soto goes to Boston, then

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Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta, you know, I gotta go Plan

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Speaker 3: then New York's got to go. You know, the two

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Speaker 3: New York teams have to figure out, Okay, now, what

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Speaker 3: have we got to do to make ourselves better? Or

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Speaker 3: is there somebody else out there now? And there may

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Speaker 3: be some teams like the Phillies who probably see this

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Speaker 3: guy as an outlier. You know, they did make a

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Speaker 3: because I just don't think it's a viable thing fiscally.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, shoot, it's not my money, and I

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Speaker 3: don't really know how they want to handle it, but

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Speaker 3: it sounds like they're gonna at least, you know, poke

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Speaker 3: around a little bit. But I think there's a whole

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Speaker 3: set of things that are happening. And it also affects

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Speaker 3: trades because now do you have Soto or do you

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Speaker 3: not have Soto? What do I have to do to

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Speaker 3: improve in different areas, you know, pitching wise, you know it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that is as affected by the Sodo signing.

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Speaker 3: But but again, you know, it's about the money. Like

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Speaker 3: you know, everybody's got a budget, everybody's has to figure

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Speaker 3: out where they want to throw their money, and it's

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Speaker 3: it's always really interesting. I always felt like it always

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Speaker 3: felt like I had to I sort of for me,

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Speaker 3: I like to work in the vacuum, like, Okay, these

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Speaker 3: I can't wait around for X, y or Z. If

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Speaker 3: or Z because I'm got to make my team better.

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Speaker 3: I can't let them dictate what they're going to do

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Speaker 3: or I'm going to try to figure out a way

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Speaker 3: what's best for my organization, what's best for me, and

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Speaker 3: I can't necessarily wait around for the market to make

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Speaker 3: I did the Papal bond signing and and sort of

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Speaker 3: set the market there, but I wanted the best, you know, closure,

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Speaker 3: I try to make a run at Matson, couldn't get

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Speaker 3: think it's really a matter of just being able to

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Speaker 3: manage the whole process. You know, you have your board,

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Speaker 3: you have your the guys that you want, and then

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Speaker 3: you sort of work your way down and uh. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's really it's going to be frozen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Soda is going to hold up some

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Speaker 1: things because it's you know, it's that old economichilosophy about

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Speaker 1: high tide raises all boats. So he's going to raise

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Speaker 1: the tide. And Anthony Santander, you know, though he's not

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Speaker 1: in the same stratosphere financially, what he's going to get

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Speaker 1: in contract is Sodo. He's going to see some some

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Speaker 1: ripple effect and the Oscar Hernandez is and it's going

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Speaker 1: to affect the entire free agent pool. And this number,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it a million times. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be high. And you know, as we sit here at

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Speaker 1: the start of a new week, November nineteenth, there's a

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Speaker 1: report out there, and I don't know how valid it is,

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Speaker 1: but there is a report out there but noted newsbreaker

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Speaker 1: Carlos by Erga, my man, my teammate.

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Speaker 3: He's beauty many.

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Speaker 1: Carlitos Byga is reporting that Soda already has a six

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million dollar offer from the Mets. Again,

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Speaker 1: then I don't know if it's true, but apparently this

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Speaker 1: is being reported, and I just find that number is

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Speaker 1: so interesting because it is twice as much as Bryce Harper,

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Speaker 1: which was a one that kind of set the world

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Speaker 1: on fire, what six years ago or so.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that is crazy double the amount that Bryce

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Speaker 2: Harper is being.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true.

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Speaker 2: I'm just right, no, I yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean take it with you know, be forewarned. But

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Speaker 1: it's being talked about, and we certainly can talk about

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Speaker 1: it here on the old Toddpod.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question that the number is

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Speaker 3: going to be north of five hundred million. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think so, It's not unrealistic. I think that there's a

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Speaker 3: six in front of this number, you know. I know,

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Speaker 3: Oh Todi set the tone with the seven numbers. So

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Speaker 3: who the hell knows, man, who the hell knows? It's craziness.

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Speaker 3: All I know is it is craziness. That is not

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Speaker 3: my money.

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Speaker 2: Thankful, Yes, exactly right, We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: I love a great deal, but I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: We are back, Rubin.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about let's I wanted to talk about trades,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of different phillies have been mentioned as

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Speaker 2: like Roy Halliday, for instance, you would you might talk

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Speaker 2: to Alex Anthropolis and then what you guys wait a

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Speaker 2: you go, he says, well I want Kyle Drebick and

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Speaker 2: Dominic Brown. Why don't you just come back five minutes

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Speaker 2: How came it takes so long to get these deals done?

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Speaker 3: So squeeze, Yeah, I mean I'll hear three bears. There's

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Speaker 3: quality for quality. I think that's that was an important

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Speaker 3: not missed, you know, he better get some pretty good players.

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Speaker 3: And so it does, say takes some time. And then

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Speaker 3: there's other deals that get done, like in like four seconds.

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Speaker 3: You're like, Okay, I need that guy and I need

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Speaker 3: it does take some time because especially now, it's we

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that slows some things down. I

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't judge trades on what happens today.

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Speaker 3: It's about what it does for your organization. And where

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Speaker 3: So if there's a two or three teams that are

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Speaker 3: try to elevate that value as much as possible, get

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Speaker 2: Jim, what do you think is the on the trade? Uh?

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Speaker 2: The guys that have been mentioned most by the Philly

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Speaker 2: you know, Philly players have been mentioned the most as

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Speaker 1: I think Alec Bohme two years of control, he's an

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Speaker 1: I think he definitely has the most value. I think

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Speaker 3: Right ye, And I feel I actually feel badly for

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Speaker 1: Does they move him? If they move him, they better

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Speaker 1: get a handsome package. Of course, I would move anybody

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's only being responsible to listen. What

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Speaker 1: he'll he'll get over some of those frustrations and you know,

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Speaker 1: But you know it's in coming on any good front

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Speaker 1: office to listen and see what what what's going to

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Speaker 1: come back in a deal. But you know, Todd, you

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Speaker 1: you're a whiz. But Holiday deal, you know, that Roy

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Speaker 1: Halliday deal. I mean, we covered it. Rubin was working

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Speaker 3: I mean, and that was the same sort of thing

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Todd of you know, the value

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Speaker 2: It's funny because you you kind of you mentioned it,

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Speaker 2: Phillies aren't happy with him, like you said, because of

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Speaker 2: he's slamming helmets and whatnot. I mean, you know, Chase,

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Speaker 2: Chase Lettley broke a lot of helmets. He just did

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Speaker 2: it's I feel like Alec Bohm's name is getting mentioned

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Speaker 2: he got benched. It's because if you're looking to make

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Speaker 2: wheel Er, you're not getting Nola. But Alec Boem would

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Speaker 2: So I think those guys that are mentioned it doesn't

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Speaker 2: are like, we got to listen, we're trade. We got

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Speaker 2: You're not going to go out and trade for Taiwan Walker,

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Speaker 2: you know you're not. You would how Schwarbur would be

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Speaker 2: you know you're gonna get as much bang for your buck,

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Speaker 2: I guess, and get what you need to get in return.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a matter of we want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's interesting about the whole Alec Bohm thing is

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Speaker 1: All right, go around the diamond, Go around the diamond,

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Speaker 2: he's had a down year, but he's still considered one

432
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: of the better catchers in baseball. Now, I think there's

433
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 2: enough free agent catchers in the market that you could

434
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 2: kind of piece meal it together. I don't know if

435
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 2: I would do that necessarily, but you know he's tradable, right,

436
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: I mean on a last year of.

437
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 3: His deal, he's tradable. He's tradeable.

438
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're going to get a lot

439
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: for him.

440
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're gonna get the value. I

441
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: don't know if you're gonna get the value of what

442
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: he's going to bring to the table for the team.

443
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: So he's not somebody I would necessarily trade because you've

444
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 3: got to replace the guy you're going to place him

445
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: with Mark Shawn, Right. Yeah, you don't even know if

446
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 3: I can stay on the field for a month.

447
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: So we've we've you know, talked to the value. There

448
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 1: might not be what you need to move him. First base,

449
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: you can't trade dot contract.

450
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 3: No, he's going nowhere.

451
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: Second base.

452
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's somebody that's not mentioned a lot.

453
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: But I mean Bryson's stock to me, he's got what

454
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 2: threes eligible for arbitration first time this year, projected to

455
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: make about three and a half million in arbitration according

456
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Speaker 2: to Fangrafts three more years. He won't become a free

457
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: age until after the twenty twenty seventh season. But you

458
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: don't hear him mentioned as much as Boem. He didn't

459
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Speaker 2: have his I mean, he had a down year, got

460
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Speaker 2: more control.

461
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Speaker 1: I think he's really capable of improvement. He's showing better.

462
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: He's a very good defender.

463
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Speaker 7: So you know, if I'm a team, like if I'm

464
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Speaker 7: any team that's a sort of building and rebuilding, Man

465
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 7: Bryson Stott, I'm dying.

466
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: Man, what about like the Brewers they lose lose Willied.

467
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: I mean a team that needs a shortstop for instance.

468
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: You know there's a lot of talk about how there's

469
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Speaker 2: no shortstops on the market this year compared to the

470
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: years past. It's Willie Thomas and not much else. Man

471
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Speaker 2: Bryson and Stott would be kind of anstry. I'd call

472
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: Dave and go, hey, you know what do you what

473
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Speaker 2: do you think it would take to get him? But

474
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Speaker 2: you like to maybe throw him over at shortstop?

475
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Speaker 3: I don't know possibility certainly. I mean, hey, I would

476
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Speaker 3: trust brighton stop that lest we forget, he was the

477
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Speaker 3: shortstop when they won you know, the National League exactly shortstop.

478
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Speaker 1: I don't think that the shortstops difficult to trade. He's

479
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: own so much money, he's got so many years, and

480
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see the huge value anybody in the outfield,

481
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: so it's third base and second base. You're you know,

482
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Speaker 1: going around the diamond or your two areas of right.

483
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Speaker 3: A couple more yeah, a couple more years are on Cassianos.

484
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: It's a lot of money. He's been a productive player.

485
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know. I don't know if

486
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 3: you're going to get the again, if you move the player,

487
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 3: if you're going to get the value that's necessary unless

488
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: you get somebody to pick up the entire tab and

489
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: then you can you know, utilize that money to do

490
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: something else with it. I just don't know. I mean, again,

491
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: that's part of the creativity of being a creative GM.

492
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: But but again, he was one of the more consistent

493
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: players all year last year and it sort of saved

494
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: them for a long time when other guys were going down.

495
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk ranger. Okay, I think we all

496
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Speaker 1: agree that his second half decline probably would give the

497
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Speaker 1: front office pause about an extension this winter. It probably

498
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: cost him some money. It may have indeed been life

499
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: changing for him. What about if your a rival GM,

500
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: how much risk do you see there in possibly acquiring

501
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: him with a year to go? But also that shakey

502
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: second half? How do you weigh all that, Rubiny.

503
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess I'm closer to him and

504
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: know him a little bit more. But I got to

505
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: believe that this is a guy. If I am on

506
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,120
Speaker 3: the other side and trying to acquire, I would try

507
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: to make a run at this guy. And for a

508
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: couple of different reasons. One, I know there's some danger

509
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 3: in the health. But I mean, think about what other

510
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: teams have done, like with Tyler Glass. Now, they gave

511
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: him a boatload of money, and this guy was never

512
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: pitched more than one hundred and twenty innings or whatever

513
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: the hell it was. And you're talking about a guy

514
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: who is going to be pitching for a contract. He

515
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: does not have the big money yet. He's gonna be

516
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 3: arbitration eligible this year. He's gonna make a nice piece

517
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Speaker 3: of change, But the big money's coming when he becomes

518
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 3: a free agent. And when he does become a freeative,

519
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: he puts together a year where he wins fifteen to

520
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: eighteen or to twenty games and stays healthy and pitches

521
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy to two hundred innings, he's going

522
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Speaker 3: to make a boatload of money.

523
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Speaker 1: Well, if he has that, I want him here this year.

524
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That's that's that that's the difficulty in

525
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: moving a guy like that because he's pitching for the

526
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: big money and if he wants to then I would

527
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: love to have him on a one year deal. Think

528
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: about you know, we talk about this all the time.

529
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with a one year deal, It doesn't matter

530
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: what it is. And so you know, and that's basically

531
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Speaker 3: what you have in Ranger Suarez and the ability and

532
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: he has the ability to do a couple of different things.

533
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: Even if he falters and he gets hurt or whatever,

534
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: you can bring him back and put him in a pen.

535
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he's done it. And and so he's got

536
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: some versatility. Obviously you want to pay him and play

537
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: him as a starter, but my goodness, you know, he's

538
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: got some he's got some pedigree in him. He's got

539
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: some history and.

540
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: Some postseason success as well. So if you're a team

541
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: team that is looking to think you're a piece away,

542
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: maybe not a piece away, but you know what I'm saying,

543
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: a guy that they can you know, he's not going

544
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: to shrivel up in a big situation. Rangers the guy

545
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: and he just you know, every every time he goes

546
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 2: out there. Even even in the against the Mets, he

547
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: pitched competitively with after looking terrible really the last month

548
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: of the season in the regular.

549
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: Season, significant price tag coming back in a trade. So

550
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Speaker 1: I think he's another one of those listen guys that

551
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if they can get what

552
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: they need to get because it has to be in

553
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: the back of their mind that this is his free

554
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: agent platform year and boy, he could turn it on.

555
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: You can really help you.

556
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: It's call and Davis talked so much about the five

557
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: starter spot and how it really killed it's filling half.

558
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: So how do you.

559
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: Feel that now you know you trade Rangers, that does

560
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: Ranger help you get Garrett Crochet?

561
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: Maybe? I don't know why that you know the Whites.

562
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: It depends what the package would be for the White Sox,

563
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: but that wouldn't necessarily make any sense. Maybe, But but yeah,

564
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: who's feeling who's filling that spot because Andrew Painter can't

565
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: pitch both spots.

566
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, And additionally, I know they're not thinking this way

567
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: because they're thinking they're going to be a contender. But listen,

568
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: if you know, all hell breaks loose and they have

569
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: multiple multiple injuries, and they get to the trade headline

570
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 3: next year in twenty twenty five, that guy Rajor Suarez,

571
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: if he's healthy and pitching, okay, I don't know that

572
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: there's a better pitcher that might be a helpful at

573
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: that time. So you know there's a ton of value

574
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: with that too. I would not move this guy unless unless,

575
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: like you said, unless you winning the deal. I would

576
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: certainly not move Ranger.

577
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: And you have Brandon Marsh and Johann Rojas have been

578
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: mentioned in moving with one.

579
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 3: Of those guys obviously under control players. Brandon Marsh probably

580
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 3: has a higher ceiling as an all around player. I

581
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: think he's a good player, but he hasn't really taken

582
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: the next step forward. A lot of strikeouts. You know,

583
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 3: there's I like Brandon. I just feel like he's a

584
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: guy that they sort of have to figure out where

585
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: they can where can they improve, And I think left

586
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: field centerfield is a place where they can improve the club.

587
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: What about what about prospects? In what condition? Were you

588
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: trade in Andrew Painter and Aiden Miller? Again, you know

589
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: Andrew Painter was off limits to the trade deadline. Dave

590
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: did not want to move him. I don't know about

591
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: Aiden Miller. But just talking again to people, you guys

592
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: have heard the same thing. Aiden Miller might be the

593
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: best Phillies position player prospects since at least Chase Utley,

594
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: going back at least twenty years or more, and that'd

595
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: be tough to trade.

596
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Painter, they're not trading Painter. You can

597
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: just tell why everything they say, the way they've treated him,

598
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: and what he could be, they're not trading Painter. It's

599
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: not even worth talking about. Looking you just did in

600
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: the Arizona Fall League. Wasn't any picture of the year

601
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: out there?

602
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's not saying much because there's not

603
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: much pitching out there. I mean, you know, he's pretty great.

604
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: He's really special. Man. He's got a chance to be

605
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: really special.

606
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: There's no chance there and Miller, you know, I guess

607
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: you'd keep your ears open, but I think it would

608
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: be very difficult. Crawford did. Oh yeah, but you listen

609
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: on everybody because it's about one of the world's You

610
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: think somebody can help you win the World Series. You

611
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: got to do the deal right exactly.

612
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: One of the pieces of difficulty for moving guy like

613
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: Miller is that one he sort of has the profile

614
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: of the player that they're looking for. The guy that

615
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: doesn't strike out a lot, has good basically hitting is

616
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: back to ball skills, you know, good swing decisions, all

617
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: that stuff. And he's young, and he's got a chance

618
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 3: to I know, he's away because prospects or prospects, I

619
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: get it, but he has a chance to be that guy.

620
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: Number one.

621
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Speaker 1: He plays He plays short and third, which you know

622
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: could be in flux in the next year or two.

623
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: Right. And so the other part of that is that,

624
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: you know, I mean to me, you've got some guys

625
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: who are going to be on big numbers contracts, and

626
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the mid thirties soon, and

627
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: then they're gonna be in the late thirties soon, and

628
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: then you know, so their production is gonna you know,

629
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: it's gonna work, you know, converse to you know, to

630
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: their value of their contracts. And so you need young

631
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: players who you feel can fill in roles that when

632
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: you start losing some of that production out of those

633
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: big contracts, he needs people to pick it up, especially

634
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: when John Middleton says he wants several of those trophies

635
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: back exactly right.

636
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: You need you need that type of payroll balance. You

637
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: need to be mixing, mixing in the lower salary as

638
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: as your other guys get more and more expensive, and

639
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: that's how you keep turning it.

640
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's easy to say, just keep spending guys

641
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: and just hold on, you know, don't worry about that.

642
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: But you have to have some of those young guys

643
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: come up. What didn't wasn't Paul Owens. They said, you

644
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: have to want to have two guys every year from

645
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: your farm system come up and make contributions to kind

646
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: of maintain the health of the of the system.

647
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: He used to say, if you had one and a

648
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Speaker 3: half players that was on average one and a half

649
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: players a year who had impact on your major league team,

650
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: then you're then you're doing a good job in your system.

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00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: It's probably ring probably still rings true.

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Speaker 1: What did you say about pitching Ruber, Like you needed

653
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Speaker 1: eight or ten to get.

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00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: You need fifty of them.

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00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the attrition rate is so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so tough, especially now you know there's

657
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: so you know, I mean, they're limiting innings and all

658
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. Guys are going down. The velocities

659
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: are so high that they're breaking down at a ridiculous rate.

660
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: And so it's not it's no longer you need like

661
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: six or seven. Now it's like you need you know,

662
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: nine to twelve starting right, which is crazy, but that's reality.

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00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: Well, I think like in twenty eleven the Phillies have

664
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: that was like, you guys use like seven starters that year.

665
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 2: It was an insane at the moment, Yeah, it was.

666
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: It was like seven or eight maybe, and every year

667
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: since then it's been eight or more, and it's usually

668
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: been in the double digits of number of starters used.

669
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Speaker 2: So I remember, Andrew Painter is probably not going to

670
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: be up until mid season because he can't go out

671
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: and throw one hundred and eighty ings. So you're gonna

672
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: you need two guys, you know, if assuming well Ranger

673
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: comes back, assuming Ranger comes back, and you need somebody

674
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: to fill a fifth spot until Andrew Painter comes up,

675
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: if he comes up. So it's funny because we've talked

676
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: about these guys and it's like, I wonder who. We've

677
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: talked about all the reasons why they're attractive, we talked

678
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: about all the reasons why they might not be traded,

679
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: why would be difficult to trade those players, But they're

680
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: gonna have to trade one of those guys or two

681
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: of those guys, right, I mean you would think, would

682
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: you guys be surprised if you know, there wasn't a

683
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: big trade that was made at some point, Yeah, I'd be.

684
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Surprised with not trade because they have holes they need

685
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: to fill, and with the payroll climbing and you know,

686
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: butting up against the third tax threshold, it's gonna have

687
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: to as you tweak this team, it's gonna have to

688
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: be a mix of trades and free agent signings. And

689
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: they where their peril is they just can't do all

690
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: free agent signings.

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00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's gonna be Uh, things will start picking

692
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: up soon. You know, There's some some things coming up

693
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: in the next week, in the next couple of weeks

694
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: that will maybe get the ball rolling on some signings

695
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: and stuff. In fact, I'm going to run through this

696
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: real quick. So tonight, Tuesday night, six pm Eastern is

697
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: the date that teams have to put players on the

698
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: forty man roster to protect them from the Rule five draft.

699
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: The Phillies right now, I think have thirty seven players

700
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: on the forty man So we think, Mick Abel, right,

701
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: we think and Moissey's Chasse are the two most likely

702
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: guys to get put on. They could put a third

703
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: guy on there. That could be there's a host of

704
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: guys that they could pick pitchers, position players or whatever.

705
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: But that's tonight six pm. Put guys on the forty

706
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: man protect them from the rule five and then Friday

707
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: night eight pm Eastern. I've canceled my Friday night plans, guys,

708
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: because it's the tender deadline. So tender and really I

709
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: think the only Philly player that probably will be non

710
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: tendered it could be non tendered as Austin Hayes. I mean,

711
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: Dave has really drops some serious hints that you know,

712
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: we don't know what gonna do it Austin Hayes yet,

713
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: So that indicates to me that he's he's in the

714
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: mix there to get non tendered. You know, I think

715
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: everybody else that's in there, Garrett Stubbs is on there.

716
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: They could figure out a deal to keep him in

717
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: the system if they wanted to, I guess. But most

718
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: of those guys will be back. So you got those

719
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: two things could open some things up, right, Guys getting

720
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 2: non tendered.

721
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: You never know, man, I love that non tender date

722
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: because you can come up with a Jason Werther or two.

723
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, that's right.

724
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: Names from other other You know, you're gonna have a

725
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: bunch of free agents, new free agents, right, That's an

726
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: interesting way to spend a Friday night waiting for the

727
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: non tenders. Rubin, on the other hair will be out

728
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: in Old City having underloin watching.

729
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: Exactly right.

730
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: And actually Friday night, believe it or not, I'm going

731
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 3: to be honoring l A a lot is going to

732
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: enter some.

733
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: Hall of fame.

734
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 3: Nice aactly what it is? But he said, yeah, he's entering,

735
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: But I think the Philadelphia Broadcaster is hall of fame.

736
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: Oh cool, be honored. So I'll get a chance to

737
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: honor mister Larry Anderson. He's been a true joy and

738
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: he made a great move by not accepting my offer

739
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: to become our pitching coach. That's right, smart, smart move.

740
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 3: That's that worked that well for him? It did? It did? Uh?

741
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Then?

742
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: Well, so we'll be back later later this week, maybe

743
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: some maybe the Phillies have made something go happen by then.

744
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: If not, though there's plenty more to talk about. We

745
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: could talk about the Hall of Fame ballot based BBWA

746
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: today released his twenty twenty five Hall of Fame ballot.

747
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: There's four returning Phillies, Bobby Bray, Jimmy Rewnds, Chase Le,

748
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 2: Billy Wagner. Billy Wagner felt just short last year. This

749
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: is his tenth and final year ofgibility. And then Wednesday

750
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: night the nl Cy Young is announced and Zach Wheeler

751
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: as a finalist for that. I think Chris Sale is

752
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: gonna win.

753
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: It, I do. Yeah, that's gonna suck good. Yeah, I

754
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: think is where I think wheel should get it.

755
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think it's probably gonna be Chris.

756
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: It would be an upset if if Zach, I think

757
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: edged out Chris Sale. But I think I think Zach

758
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: is worthy of course. So yeah, So we'll be back

759
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: later this week. We talked a lot of trades. Now

760
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: they just got to make some give us something to

761
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: write about, give us something more to talk about.

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00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: Let me make sure I get this right. Broadcast Pioneers

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00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: of Philadelphia Hall of Bay.

764
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: All right, cong congrats to Larry.

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00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: La.

766
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 5: La.

767
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: La should be in the UH. He's in the People

768
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame too.

769
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Speaker 2: He is all time good guy man.

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Speaker 3: We love La.

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00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: We love la All right, guys, We'll see you later.

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00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: Smell snite yep.

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