Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty, I know he Armstrong and Eddy.
Speaker 3: The next steps for China, sir, Well, we'll see what
Speaker 3: happens with China. We would love to be able to
Speaker 3: work a deal. They've really taken advantage of our country
Speaker 3: for a long period of time. They've ripped us off
Speaker 3: beyond anybody, nobody. How people stood for it, sitting in
Speaker 3: my position is not even believable. And we're talking about
Speaker 3: many presidents, not just in a couple, but they did,
Speaker 3: and Alwadi is putting it back in shape. We're resetting
Speaker 3: the table.
Speaker 4: So that's from a cabinet meeting that they had yesterday.
Speaker 4: We got some more audio from from that coming up
Speaker 4: in just a second. But in case you're not hipped
Speaker 4: to a couple of the developments that happened in the
Speaker 4: last twenty four hours. The market was reacting and people
Speaker 4: were talking about tariffs on all Chinese goods being at
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five percent I think anyway, Trump
Speaker 4: pointed out later in the day, No, no, it's actually
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty five percent. So I'm adding this
Speaker 4: to the other thing that I had like a month
Speaker 4: ago or whatever. So the tariff on all Chinese goods
Speaker 4: coming into the United States, the stuff on all the
Speaker 4: shelves and Walmart or the buy on Amazon that's from China,
Speaker 4: one hundred and forty five percent right now. And as
Speaker 4: soon as that news was clarified, the Dow tumbled quite
Speaker 4: a bit yesterday.
Speaker 1: As everybody caught onto that.
Speaker 4: And then overnight tariff China announced they're raising their tariff
Speaker 4: on all US goods coming into their country to one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five percent, So one hundred and forty
Speaker 4: five coming to the US one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 4: going into China. That is a full blown trade war
Speaker 4: between the two biggest economies that have ever existed.
Speaker 1: On the planet. So that's that situation.
Speaker 4: Got some more commentary for variety of people on that
Speaker 4: how that's going to play out. I have no idea,
Speaker 4: and neither does anybody else. I don't think Trump is
Speaker 4: betting his entire presidency on a good outcome, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Marco Rubio pretty serious guy. He was asked about this
Speaker 4: yesterday in the cabinet meeting. This is what he said, Well.
Speaker 5: Mister President, one of the most important things I believe
Speaker 5: that you'll achieve in your presidency is re ordering the
Speaker 5: world in a proper way. For thirty one years, more
Speaker 5: than thirty one years now, multiple administrations have allowed the
Speaker 5: Chinese to de industrialize this country, to take away jobs
Speaker 5: and factories and the pillars of our national strength. And
Speaker 5: what you're doing now, I think is a great service
Speaker 5: to our country, but ultimately to the world. And I
Speaker 5: want to congratulate you on your team that's working on that,
Speaker 5: because that has extraordinary geopolitical implications, as you see from
Speaker 5: all these other countries that are now coming here and
Speaker 5: wanting to join something that actually makes just this it's
Speaker 5: crazy to allow these I mean, basically, we lived in
Speaker 5: a world where country Chinese companies can do whatever they
Speaker 5: want in America, but our companies cannot do anything over
Speaker 5: there unless they allow it, and even then they steal
Speaker 5: our stuff and reverse engineer it. So just reordering all
Speaker 5: that as traumatic implications on peace of security of the world.
Speaker 5: So we thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: China has been ripping off the entire world, and since
Speaker 4: we're the biggest economy, it affected us the most. For
Speaker 4: a very very long time acknowledging that I'm all for.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good idea. Whether this total tariff
Speaker 4: thing is what's going to fix that, I don't have
Speaker 4: any idea. This story got a lot of attention yesterday.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's overblown. This is from ABC News.
Speaker 6: Already consumers are feeling the effects. One shopper for Athletic
Speaker 6: where spotting something different on an invoice from a recent order,
Speaker 6: a new line that says tariff surcharge sixteen dollars and
Speaker 6: sixty two cents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so one place somewhere they put on the
Speaker 4: receipt tariff search. I saw that on like eight different
Speaker 4: news sources yesterday. Okay, is that sweeping the nation? Are
Speaker 4: lots of businesses doing that? Because I saw the same
Speaker 4: one over and over again. So come on news. If
Speaker 4: that's the only one in the country, it means nothing.
Speaker 4: If we all start seeing that on receipts, obviously it
Speaker 4: means a lot. But the Trump aiding media loved that story.
Speaker 4: How about this. This is a person on CNN also
Speaker 4: with a negative spin on it.
Speaker 2: The global economy from inflation numbers that we've got, it's slowing.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get worse. It's gonna get much worse because
Speaker 2: everybody has to readjust their supply lines to accommodate this
Speaker 2: new reality.
Speaker 1: So that's that side of it.
Speaker 4: How about we hear the other side of it, people
Speaker 4: who think this is gonna work. Maria Bartiromo on Hannity
Speaker 4: last night, fifty.
Speaker 7: Four, Michael, President Trump is not going to back down
Speaker 7: on this because at this point we all know who
Speaker 7: the adversary slash enemy is, and the US consumer is
Speaker 7: paramount here. China needs to sell all of those products
Speaker 7: that they're producing for the world to the very powerful
Speaker 7: US consumer. So if China wants to keep doubling down,
Speaker 7: it is not going to be good for the Chinese economy.
Speaker 8: The economy there right.
Speaker 7: Now is a lot weaker than people know, and this
Speaker 7: huge tariff on its products is not going to be good.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 1: It's a heck of a thing for the world economy.
Speaker 4: The two biggest economies locked in a trade war in
Speaker 4: a situation where there are two men and two men
Speaker 4: only really that are, you know, playing a game of
Speaker 4: chicken and staring each other down. She and Trumps. You
Speaker 4: wouldn't think this many trillions of dollars could be on
Speaker 4: the line and in the hands of or in the
Speaker 4: minds of just two guys, it's really quite extraordinary. We
Speaker 4: like Victor David Hanson, historian, and which he's very proud of.
Speaker 1: This is how he thinks it's going to play out.
Speaker 10: If Donald Trump can cut a deal with one major player,
Speaker 10: and I think that Scott dosn't can, preferably in Europe,
Speaker 10: because what he's basically saying, if it's reciprocal or no tariffs,
Speaker 10: zero tariffs, they're going to want to make a deal
Speaker 10: just one or two major players, and I think all
Speaker 10: the rest will follow, and China's not going.
Speaker 1: To like that.
Speaker 4: I don't claim to know anything about this sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: I do kind of get the geopolitics of it, though,
Speaker 4: and I could certainly believe that she thinks that United
Speaker 4: States because he doesn't. They don't, you know, Communists don't
Speaker 4: believe in democracies, don't believe democracies work because the authoritarianism
Speaker 4: is a way to go, because then you can make
Speaker 4: all these important decisions that the populace is not smart
Speaker 4: enough to understand.
Speaker 1: So she thinks that.
Speaker 4: There will be enough political pressure and enough negative news
Speaker 4: on this that Trump will brett back down. I think
Speaker 4: Trump is the rare rarest of rare birds. We were
Speaker 4: talking about profiles and lack of courage with Kamala Harris
Speaker 4: Last Hour with Lonnie Chen. If you didn't hear that,
Speaker 4: get the podcast Armstrong and getting on demand. But it
Speaker 4: is a profile and courage, perhaps some of you think misplaced,
Speaker 4: But it is a profile and courage to lay your
Speaker 4: entire presidency on the line for this. And I think
Speaker 4: Trump will stick with it and not blink in the
Speaker 4: way that president she thinks, and maybe at some point
Speaker 4: President she realizes, Wow, this guy is crazy enough to
Speaker 4: take this clear to the wall. We got to do something.
Speaker 4: We gotta call him up and make a deal. I
Speaker 4: hope that's what happens.
Speaker 1: Was there one more clip that I wanted to have?
Speaker 1: I thought I had one more. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe later I didn't want to hit you with this
Speaker 4: from the Wall Street Journal one more time. This is
Speaker 4: from the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal. What
Speaker 4: investors know is that the trade war is far from
Speaker 4: over and damage persists even with the ninety day pause.
Speaker 1: The tariffs that continue on all other countries and.
Speaker 4: One hundred and forty five percent on China are the
Speaker 4: largest tax increase on the American people since nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 4: They're bigger than Bill Clinton's nineteen ninety three tax increase
Speaker 4: and George HW. Bush's in nineteen ninety taxes, of course,
Speaker 4: are anti growths, as the Wall Street Journal, Trump believes
Speaker 4: that it is worth it. I'll play one more clip
Speaker 4: for you. This is Trump and the term he's using
Speaker 4: to describe this clip forty. If you would, Michael, clip forty.
Speaker 4: This is Trump describing what this is. He's not denying
Speaker 4: that there's going to be this giant tax using my
Speaker 4: finger quotes on the American people. He's just saying it's
Speaker 4: part of the plant. Which slip was that forty.
Speaker 1: So we think we're in very good shape. We think
Speaker 1: we're doing very well. Again.
Speaker 3: There'll be a transition cost and.
Speaker 11: Transition problems, but in the end it's going to be
Speaker 11: it's going to be a beautiful thing. We're doing again
Speaker 11: what we should have done many years ago. We'll let
Speaker 11: it get out of control, and we allowed some countries
Speaker 11: to get very big and very rich at our expense,
Speaker 11: and we're not gonna can't let that happen.
Speaker 9: Can't.
Speaker 3: It's not a sustainable.
Speaker 4: Formula transition costs, which I guarantee you will be mocked
Speaker 4: greatly by the left as these higher prices start to
Speaker 4: hit in the next days, weeks, months, I don't know
Speaker 4: how long that's going to take. You're gonna hear that
Speaker 4: over and over again in a mocking way. The Biden
Speaker 4: administration tried to pretend that inflation wasn't real and wasn't happening.
Speaker 4: Trump's going with the Yeah, this is gonna happen, and
Speaker 4: it's going to be painful, but it's a transition we
Speaker 4: have to go through to get where we want to
Speaker 4: be and get China to back down, and we'll see
Speaker 4: if he's right or not. But so that's what we
Speaker 4: all get to look forward to in the spring. In
Speaker 4: the summer, maybe change your vacation plans or not.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Actually, there's some news out in the Wall Street Journal
Speaker 4: today that just came out in the last couple hours
Speaker 4: about consumer confidence that is really not good.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to that at a different time. Stay
Speaker 1: with us. I'm sorry.
Speaker 12: Trump's getting his physical tomorrow, and while I'm sure his
Speaker 12: doctors will be very thorough, I wanted to ask him
Speaker 12: some questions myself. So if you don't mind, thank you,
Speaker 12: mister president, thank you for talking to us about your health.
Speaker 1: First off, how much do you weigh? That's classified information.
Speaker 12: I understood, But how would you describe yourself?
Speaker 1: I'm a perfect physical specimen and I'm very very.
Speaker 12: Young, Kem Burman, He says, here you're getting a proseate exam.
Speaker 1: How's that going to go for you?
Speaker 4: You are going to hear the wailing and shrieking.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's enough.
Speaker 12: Now forgive me for asking, but are you getting up
Speaker 12: a lot of night to Yearnate?
Speaker 1: It goes drip? Okay?
Speaker 12: Just for just for our record, can you tell me
Speaker 12: the name of your doctor?
Speaker 1: Doctor had of electric? Okay, very good?
Speaker 12: And uh, who would you like to put as your
Speaker 12: emergency contact?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 8: Your wife Elon Musk Okay.
Speaker 4: So that's always exciting every year, well it has been
Speaker 4: for the last couple of terms because we have such
Speaker 4: ancient presidents. Wasn't really a big deal when it was
Speaker 4: Barack obaum Er George H. W.
Speaker 1: Bush.
Speaker 4: You looked at him and thought, Okay, you're about fifty
Speaker 4: and you look to be in really good shape, So
Speaker 4: what are you getting physical? But now that we got
Speaker 4: really really old presidents. It's kind of interesting. I wonder
Speaker 4: how honest they'll be about his height and weight and
Speaker 4: blood pressure and everything. Of course, they weren't honest about
Speaker 4: Joe Biden's mental capacity at all. Some texts we got
Speaker 4: coming in. Oh, first, someone to mention the uh, how
Speaker 4: about that ballerina we got back from Russia. That story
Speaker 4: is interesting. Maybe we'll talk more about that later. We
Speaker 4: traded a scumbag criminal Russian to Vladimir to get back
Speaker 4: this ballerina whose crime was she donated fifty four dollars
Speaker 4: to a Ukrainian cause yep, and Russia grabbed off for
Speaker 4: twelve years. He's going to put in a Russian prison
Speaker 4: for twelve years, and she's young. We got to put
Speaker 4: a stop to that. We can't have North Korea, Iran, Russia,
Speaker 4: China grabbing citizens off the street and then they get
Speaker 4: back scumbag criminals in return. We got to end that somehow.
Speaker 4: But different topic for a different time from the text line.
Speaker 4: I was talking a fair amount about corporate training, because
Speaker 4: I spent a couple hours doing that yesterday. Not to
Speaker 4: complain about the company I work for. Every company does it.
Speaker 4: I realize they're forced to do it. It's not their choice,
Speaker 4: but we all know it's a complete waste of time,
Speaker 4: and I it's one of the things I wish Doge
Speaker 4: could get rid of. It is unproductive, it's a waste
Speaker 4: of money, and we all know that. You know it.
Speaker 4: And then when you tell your boss you finished the training,
Speaker 4: he knows it's a waste of time, or she and
Speaker 4: their boss knows it's a waste of time. Yet we
Speaker 4: all I'll do it. We got text from people in
Speaker 4: different areas of work. Oh, we talked about how there,
Speaker 4: Why are they so long? And I said that maybe
Speaker 4: they have to be a certain length. Yes, actually it's
Speaker 4: legislated that some mandatory training be at least a particular length,
Speaker 4: like two hours or whatever. No mention of mastery of
Speaker 4: the topic or what you learned, just the amount of
Speaker 4: time spent. Oh, for cry it out loud, how government
Speaker 4: is that it doesn't matter whether you actually learned anything
Speaker 4: or it's accomplishing anything. It's just got to be this
Speaker 4: length an hour and twenty minutes, to prove that you've.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because the government says so.
Speaker 1: I hate this sort of thing so much.
Speaker 4: We got this text, I just got to work an
Speaker 4: hour early to do harassment training for the third time.
Speaker 1: Every year, three times a year.
Speaker 4: Even though studies show it doesn't accomplish anything.
Speaker 1: If anything, it leads to.
Speaker 4: More sexual harassment, but it doesn't. I assume you all
Speaker 4: know this, but I'll say it for the eighty millionth time.
Speaker 4: It's to keep the lawyers at bay. If they give
Speaker 4: this sexual harassment training and you get you sexually harassed somebody,
Speaker 4: you can't go to the company and say I didn't know,
Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed to slap her on the ass, and
Speaker 4: then you sue the company for a million dollars and
Speaker 4: a jury full of morons. And that's why we are
Speaker 4: always yes, serve on juries. Don't try to get out
Speaker 4: of jury duty because you don't want morons. Well, who
Speaker 4: say the company owes this guy millions of dollars because
Speaker 4: he claims he didn't know he was most slapper on
Speaker 4: the ass because he didn't get any training. That's why
Speaker 4: we're doing all this training to avoid those lawsuits.
Speaker 1: Very very maddening. Different topic.
Speaker 4: I brought up how I spilled coffee all over my
Speaker 4: chest on the way to work, like I often do
Speaker 4: because I can't drink out of most travel mugs. I
Speaker 4: just they don't work for me, and I've gotten a
Speaker 4: bunch of text from people who have had the same
Speaker 4: problem who really like some of them. The Zorushie zog
Speaker 4: Rushie sixteen out stainless steel muggets the best. The lid
Speaker 4: opens past one hundred and eighty degrees so that your
Speaker 4: nose has space. Everybody have the same complaint as me.
Speaker 4: If the flip up lid doesn't fold back far enough,
Speaker 4: your nose gets in the way, so you have to
Speaker 4: tip the cup up so high to drink out of it.
Speaker 4: You're not looking at the roads. You can't drink it
Speaker 4: while you drive your car. I'm looking at this thing.
Speaker 4: Still still some head tipping required.
Speaker 1: Okay. Other people suggested the Stanley mug. That is very
Speaker 1: very good.
Speaker 4: It's like forty Bucks or the Broommate. I'm not advertising
Speaker 4: any of these. The Broommate specifically because the lid flops
Speaker 4: all the way back.
Speaker 1: So you can drink out of your coffee mug.
Speaker 8: So okay, this one looks like it might be a winner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: I just want to point out I'm not the only
Speaker 4: person that has noticed that flaw in the design of
Speaker 4: the little thing. That flips up. Look at this one
Speaker 4: my nose right there. That's how far I can tip
Speaker 4: the thing. You can't drink coffee like that.
Speaker 8: No, you cannot.
Speaker 1: You gotta tip your head way back that it's this
Speaker 1: is tragic.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I recommend to yetti.
Speaker 1: You like that. Yeah, my wife has them. We use
Speaker 1: them all the time. They're not cheap.
Speaker 13: You're drinking out of a thirty dollars Starbucks mug that
Speaker 13: you don't like.
Speaker 1: Uh, that's true.
Speaker 8: And the YETI is thirty dollars.
Speaker 4: We're gonna talk to my clients coming up a little
Speaker 4: bit and one to get him on for weeks. We
Speaker 4: could talk about the fact that we're going to bomb
Speaker 4: the crap out of Iran soon. We could talk about
Speaker 4: obviously Israel or Ukraine. I don't know if I'll get
Speaker 4: to that. China getting jump here all the time. How
Speaker 4: about Trump fire in all these military people, a bunch
Speaker 4: of different generals in various positions, and the you know,
Speaker 4: the NPR world calling it a purge. Is this something
Speaker 4: I should be worried about or is he just putting
Speaker 4: people in place that agree with his philosophy more. I'm
Speaker 4: not particularly worried about it. One time, we are quoting
Speaker 4: retired generals to Mike Lions, and I remember him saying,
Speaker 4: there's like a thousand retired generals out there, So just
Speaker 4: because there's a retired general, you don't have to give
Speaker 4: them some extra credit on what they have to say. Well,
Speaker 4: we'll talk to Mike Lions coming up. If you miss
Speaker 4: a seconment, get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5: An important meeting, thanks to you, is going to happen
Speaker 5: on Saturday for the first time in a long time.
Speaker 5: They'll be direct talks to Ambassador Woodcoff and a top
Speaker 5: level leader in Iran. We hope that'll lead to peace.
Speaker 5: You've been very clear what Iran is never going to
Speaker 5: have as a nuclear weapon, and I think that's what
Speaker 5: led to this meeting. We'll wait for him to come
Speaker 5: back from it, and we're hopeful about that.
Speaker 1: I like Marco Rubio saying it. Trump says it regularly.
Speaker 4: I do remember hearing various presidents say, for instance, North
Speaker 4: Korea would never get a nuclear weapon, or other people
Speaker 4: would never get to do this or that, and then
Speaker 4: they do it anyway, and we don't stop them. Don't
Speaker 4: don't go into Ukraine, for instance, don't go into crimea
Speaker 4: joining us on the Armstrong and Getty Show, Mike Lions
Speaker 4: is our go to whenever we're talking about this sort
Speaker 4: of stuff. Mike served with various military organizations in the
Speaker 4: US and Europe throughout his career. He served in Operation
Speaker 4: Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Ordered A Bronze Star. Also
Speaker 4: has a BS degree from the United States Military Academy
Speaker 4: at West Point, MBA from Stern School of Business at
Speaker 4: New York University. You can find him on Twitter if
Speaker 4: if something BIG's going on military, I always check his
Speaker 4: Twitter account at maj as in Major Mike liines Mike,
Speaker 4: welcome back to the Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 9: Hey Jack, thanks for having me back.
Speaker 4: Let's start with Iran, Trump said a week or so ago,
Speaker 4: so they're having direct talks tomorrow. And Trump said a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, if Rhan doesn't give up their
Speaker 4: quest for a nuclear weapon, we would bomb them likes
Speaker 4: of which they've never seen. Do you think he means it?
Speaker 4: And do you think we can do it? And would
Speaker 4: we do it?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I think of all the things on the President's plate
Speaker 14: right now when it comes to national security policy, this
Speaker 14: is number one.
Speaker 9: This issue with Iran. It's been kicked down the road.
Speaker 14: That can's gotten kicked down the road for the past
Speaker 14: ten or fifteen years now with the original JCPO way
Speaker 14: back that Obama signed, and it's something that the President
Speaker 14: wants to take care of. He does set a deadline.
Speaker 14: He's got a two month deadline with regard to having
Speaker 14: this this conversation. But I do believe that should at
Speaker 14: the end of two months here, I think the rangings
Speaker 14: are going to try to find the ball, but at
Speaker 14: the end of two months, you're not going to see
Speaker 14: any more progress. I don't believe that Iran has any
Speaker 14: intention of getting rid of their nuclear capability, and it's
Speaker 14: going to force the hand of the master negotiator here
Speaker 14: because it's likely that it's going to lead to a
Speaker 14: military conflict.
Speaker 4: Well, to be charitable to Iran, they have been told
Speaker 4: this multiple times and nobody followed through, so you know,
Speaker 4: I can see why they would think we can get
Speaker 4: away with it again.
Speaker 14: Well, I think this time Israel is in much better
Speaker 14: position and would feel that they could be involved, having
Speaker 14: literally taken out most of their air defense platforms, the
Speaker 14: destruction of the Uranian nuclear capability would be a very
Speaker 14: challenging military objective, and in fact, it likely couldn't be
Speaker 14: completed just from the military. It would take continuous strikes,
Speaker 14: it would take it's dispersed, it's in different areas.
Speaker 9: And so that might not even accomplish the objectives.
Speaker 14: And what it only might do is just set the
Speaker 14: Uranians back years or so with regard to doing this.
Speaker 14: I mean, the Israelis destroyed the Syrian nuclear capability, they
Speaker 14: destroyed the Iraqi nuclear capability back in the eighties, and
Speaker 14: they're not afraid to do it again. I think that's
Speaker 14: the wild card. I think that's hanging in Donald Trump's
Speaker 14: pocket here as he's talking to the Ranians, knowing that
Speaker 14: if they don't do a deal with him, that he's
Speaker 14: going to unleash the Israelis on them, and they won't
Speaker 14: stop until they know it's destroyed.
Speaker 4: Right, And I don't think if for some reason we
Speaker 4: had a maybe Kamala Harris would have been against doing anything.
Speaker 4: Probably Israel would have done it anyway. They don't have
Speaker 4: quite the capability we have, but they would. They would
Speaker 4: have had to try, because what choice do they have.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite underreported stories is what you just
Speaker 4: mentioned So we all remember when Iran launched that giant
Speaker 4: drone attack against Israel and watched that unfold on a
Speaker 4: Saturday morning and everything like that, and then Israel would respond,
Speaker 4: how would Israel respond? Izor responded, And a lot of
Speaker 4: the reporting was when Israel responded that it was kind
Speaker 4: of a gesture.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really that big a deal.
Speaker 4: Iran from books I've read, wanted to downplay the response.
Speaker 4: But in reality, what you just said, Israel took down
Speaker 4: so many of their air defense weapons that they're in
Speaker 4: the best position. We're in the best position we've ever
Speaker 4: been for a major attack on Iran. So what do
Speaker 4: you think that would look like.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean, we've already taken out the air defenses
Speaker 14: around where their nuclear capability is.
Speaker 9: It's there.
Speaker 14: They've got about eleven different sites that are scattered around ran.
Speaker 14: They there's three basic components to make a nuclear bomb
Speaker 14: and to mind it, you have to fortify it and
Speaker 14: then you weaponize it. And the Israelis have taken out
Speaker 14: the main air defense platforms on all those sites. But
Speaker 14: what it would look like, it would start with that again,
Speaker 14: it would be it would be reinforcing that that any
Speaker 14: kind of air defense systems. As the United States, anytime
Speaker 14: we attack, we go in with air superior air defense capability.
Speaker 9: You could see naval fire, you could see Tomahawk cruise missiles.
Speaker 9: You know. My favorite part of that go back to
Speaker 9: the movie Maverick.
Speaker 14: Remember in Maverick when they fire the cruise missiles before
Speaker 14: they go in and they fire.
Speaker 9: The thing is they know that.
Speaker 14: Those air defense systems, so they don't take them out.
Speaker 14: I don't understand why they don't do that, because they
Speaker 14: guarantee it. If we know where there's air defense systems,
Speaker 14: we would take those out and then they would have
Speaker 14: bunker buster kind of bombs because we know that these
Speaker 14: systems that the Iranians have set up are well underground.
Speaker 14: They're designed to be survived, survivable, and it would be
Speaker 14: the same thing again as you saw in that movie.
Speaker 14: I mean, as life imitates art. The first kind of
Speaker 14: tap softens the ground, and the second tap would go
Speaker 14: deep and blow up, blow up the capability.
Speaker 9: So it would be it would be a war for
Speaker 9: you know the.
Speaker 14: Ages right now at this point, but because it would
Speaker 14: have to be much bigger than any other kind of
Speaker 14: attack that Israel did before when.
Speaker 9: They took out a nuclear capability of another country.
Speaker 4: So would it be fair to say this would be
Speaker 4: the biggest thing since March two thousand and three, when
Speaker 4: we you know, unleash shock and awe.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so. I think it would. You know,
Speaker 14: you'd have pilots that would be at risk. The question
Speaker 14: is what allies would come to iron side. They don't
Speaker 14: really have any military capability of the Russians wouldn't be able
Speaker 14: to do anything. It would That's the issue people are
Speaker 14: concerned about, is this escalation within within the Middle East.
Speaker 14: But the Saudi's would be all in. If we wanted
Speaker 14: to do this, well, we'd grab allies from these other countries.
Speaker 14: Again again, Trump's given himself two months to set the
Speaker 14: situation of gaining allies on this side, seeing what the
Speaker 14: Uranians are going to do, you know, kind of winding
Speaker 14: up the war machine.
Speaker 9: And I think that it would have it would be a.
Speaker 14: Very large, shotgun off type of attack. That's that's pretty
Speaker 14: That's probably a pretty good analogy.
Speaker 4: So the history of warfare, as you know, is the
Speaker 4: countries thinking this is going to be over soon and
Speaker 4: we're going to win easily. And I mean, there are
Speaker 4: so many examples out there throughout history. It happens over
Speaker 4: and over again. I was just reading about the Six
Speaker 4: Day War Israel and Egypt and the other countries, and
Speaker 4: how Egypt thought they were in a position to really
Speaker 4: dominate Israel and they got wiped out in a matter
Speaker 4: of minutes. So spin out what could go wrong? Like
Speaker 4: what what? What is a possible This doesn't work out
Speaker 4: the way we thought it would?
Speaker 1: What could what could happen?
Speaker 14: I think in most cases, those kind of conflicts are
Speaker 14: more on the ground. Look what Russia tried to do
Speaker 14: with Ukraine. It was going to be over in three days.
Speaker 14: So you have a much deeper component with regard to
Speaker 14: what the battle is going on in this situation here,
Speaker 14: you know, the Israelis could lose some planes, We could
Speaker 14: lose some planes, but the mission would be, you know,
Speaker 14: from a military perspective, is to destroy or set back
Speaker 14: the Uranian nuclear capability. And it's it's accomplishable. And I
Speaker 14: think that's why it's on the table. It's there's no
Speaker 14: there's for Iran and Israel to go to war. There's
Speaker 14: countries in between this Syrias in between. There's not going
Speaker 14: to be a ground war that's that will take place there.
Speaker 14: What you'll see then is gray zone or you'll see
Speaker 14: asymmetric warfare perhaps, but now Iran's capability to do that
Speaker 14: has been destroyed. Hamas Is destroyed, has Billah destroyed. You
Speaker 14: see the Huthis as we're you know, banging on them
Speaker 14: down you know, down at Yemen. So so they're they're
Speaker 14: they're out of the picture. So Iran's and its weakest
Speaker 14: point as it is right now. So they're going to
Speaker 14: have to make an existential decision because what it also
Speaker 14: implies is regime change. When we have this kind of
Speaker 14: launch and we un this kind of attack into Iran,
Speaker 14: it really does mean regime change. That's where things go wrong.
Speaker 14: But the difference is we're not going to put people
Speaker 14: on the ground.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So you think that would just be a natural goes
Speaker 4: along with this major attack, is that there would have
Speaker 4: to be regime change or it would happen.
Speaker 14: I think that would be the undercurrent to it. I
Speaker 14: think similar to what happened in and go back to
Speaker 14: Desert Storm. After destroying most of the Iraqi military, we
Speaker 14: thought that there would be regime change in there, but
Speaker 14: Asnama saying, ended up, you know, putting down any of
Speaker 14: those rebellions that took place. Perhaps the Israel and the
Speaker 14: United States could get together, put people inside of Iran
Speaker 14: and try to do the same thing there. But I
Speaker 14: think regime change would be the real risk that would
Speaker 14: take place inside of Iran.
Speaker 9: That would happen, and that could be good, that could
Speaker 9: be bad. We think it's good.
Speaker 14: Look, Iran is person that's a highly intellectual country run
Speaker 14: by you know, very bad people. For the past forty years,
Speaker 14: we've talked about this is the number one foreign policies
Speaker 14: failure in my life time in a post World War
Speaker 14: two era.
Speaker 9: There's no other way to put it.
Speaker 14: If everything today is always because of the Iranian influence
Speaker 14: and trying to be the hedgemonic power in the Middle East,
Speaker 14: and their attacks on Israel and the like, and the
Speaker 14: fact that they're the number one state sponsor of terrorism.
Speaker 4: I want to move on that from that before I
Speaker 4: let you go. I've been following Senator Tom Cotton's got
Speaker 4: a book out called Seven Things You Can't Say About China,
Speaker 4: and I've been listening to his podcasts as he talks
Speaker 4: about that, and he's really concerned as everybody is, about
Speaker 4: China making their move on Taiwan. So one of the
Speaker 4: things he brought up the other day, and I wondered
Speaker 4: to what your perspective was. It is what happens when
Speaker 4: the day comes when China is having one of those
Speaker 4: military exercises like they had recently where they basically surround Taiwan.
Speaker 4: They've got all the ships in place, they got all
Speaker 4: these people, they got planes flying overhead, and they all
Speaker 4: of a sudden announce or don't announce that this is real,
Speaker 4: this is not an exercise.
Speaker 1: You're ours now. Could we do anything about that?
Speaker 14: Yeah, to what the Egyptians and the Arab countries did
Speaker 14: to Israel back on the sixties and the seventies, they
Speaker 14: kept moving troops towards the border and forcing Israel to
Speaker 14: respond and have to alert their forces, and then finally
Speaker 14: they ended up coming. So I think that's how it
Speaker 14: will go when it goes down. I don't think there's
Speaker 14: anything we can do about it. Are deterrens right now?
Speaker 14: Are also we're at a trade war with China that's
Speaker 14: on the non military side.
Speaker 9: That's clear that what's.
Speaker 14: Taking place there so and China has always had time
Speaker 14: in their side, and I think maybe that's their calculation
Speaker 14: now as they fight with President Trump over these tariffs.
Speaker 14: You have economists saying we should just go to four
Speaker 14: hundred percent. The bottom line is we're going to have
Speaker 14: a trade war with China. In for a penny, in
Speaker 14: for a pounds, same thing on the military, we might
Speaker 14: as well try to what will eventually again become razine
Speaker 14: change there because time is always on their side for
Speaker 14: a leader for life that it takes place.
Speaker 9: So if they decide to do that here, I think
Speaker 9: that's a very real scenario.
Speaker 14: But it would mean it would mean US forces attacking
Speaker 14: inside of China, and then that could potentially meet my
Speaker 14: Chinese forces attacking you know, California.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it could be. It could get very bad,
Speaker 9: very quickly. So I don't believe.
Speaker 14: I don't believe the United States would do anything at
Speaker 14: that point in time because of that risk. I think
Speaker 14: that they could possibly try to help the defense of it,
Speaker 14: but firing missiles into China would be a bridge too
Speaker 14: far that would start the Third World War in the Pacific.
Speaker 4: Wow, you are among many people that I've heard that
Speaker 4: you know, I would describe as you know, certainly not pacifists.
Speaker 4: Afraid to use Bower who said, if China moves on Taiwan,
Speaker 4: We're probably just going to have to say, okay, yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't see us again sacrificing a West coast
Speaker 14: city for it, because that's really what it will mean
Speaker 14: as they the the terrence that the President has brought
Speaker 14: to the world now is clearly there. I think that
Speaker 14: it's caused countries to think twice. But if they miscalculate
Speaker 14: whether or not we can actually do something about it.
Speaker 14: You look at the military, they're probably seems to be
Speaker 14: shipbuilding right now. We have to we have to redo
Speaker 14: our navy, we have to do a lot more things,
Speaker 14: so we're probably five to ten years behind that we
Speaker 14: could actually then do something and feel that we could
Speaker 14: protect both the naval forces that we have in the
Speaker 14: Pacific plus our western flank, which is again the state
Speaker 14: of California in our West coast cities. And I think
Speaker 14: I don't think that we're there then, and I think
Speaker 14: that's what's being brief to the President, which is why
Speaker 14: if they decide to do it, it's you know, it's
Speaker 14: just another indicator of how China actually it really is
Speaker 14: what they're country's about.
Speaker 4: Mike Clients, You see them pop up on cable news
Speaker 4: or follow him on Twitter or whatever. Something big happens,
Speaker 4: always look for your insight. Thanks for your time today.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
Speaker 9: Thanks Jack, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: When a guy starts throwing around like in serious tones,
Speaker 4: then they would uh, then they would attack California.
Speaker 1: Holy crap. All right, I'm sure we'll discuss that more
Speaker 1: later at another time.
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Speaker 5: I kind of have always known that I have a
Speaker 5: very tall mouse.
Speaker 6: As a little kid, I had seven siblings, and as
Speaker 6: kids do, we used to put stuff in our mouths
Speaker 6: all the time.
Speaker 8: And it always confused me when people are like, oh.
Speaker 1: Light bulbs are you know, don't open them in your mouth.
Speaker 8: They get stuck. But they never got stuck in my mouth.
Speaker 4: People look at.
Speaker 1: That and they think that's something that really exists.
Speaker 8: I wonder if I.
Speaker 4: Can do that. That is a woman who set the
Speaker 4: Guinness record for having the largest mouth gap. She said,
Speaker 4: I over had a really tall mouth. I've never heard
Speaker 4: that term before, but I guess if you can open
Speaker 4: your mouth lengthwise a long way, they call that a
Speaker 4: tall mouth.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, right, three inches is the record. Thank you
Speaker 1: for that, Mike.
Speaker 8: Wow, you can put a lot of stuff from there.
Speaker 1: That is fantastic.
Speaker 13: Every time we play a clip, I of course, go
Speaker 13: to the Internet, which I need to stop doing, and
Speaker 13: I googled her and.
Speaker 8: I'm looking at a picture of her with five Jenga
Speaker 8: pieces staffed in her mouth.
Speaker 1: See five Jenga pieces.
Speaker 8: Five Jenga pieces.
Speaker 4: Worth mentioning that I've still never lost a jinga in
Speaker 4: my entire life. I never lost one game of jinga.
Speaker 4: It might be the world's best Jinga player. A couple
Speaker 4: of unimportant things to get to.
Speaker 13: Oh, here's the one with her with the can of
Speaker 13: corn in her mouthing this tab forever.
Speaker 1: What do you what?
Speaker 4: So, Gladys, I've told this story before, Gladys, but this
Speaker 4: is this is something. When I was a kid, I
Speaker 4: was obsessed with getting into the Guinness Book of World Records.
Speaker 1: I mean just obsessed. Okay, this is the only thing
Speaker 1: I cared about.
Speaker 4: The Guinness Book of World Records used to be a
Speaker 4: bigger deal than it is now, Like a lot of books.
Speaker 4: Now everything's online, all the everything, all the time, everywhere,
Speaker 4: all the time, like that movie.
Speaker 13: Every year, I was so excited to get the new
Speaker 13: Guinness war.
Speaker 4: Okay, so even at your age, yeah, because when the
Speaker 4: new one came out, Man, we'd sit on the school
Speaker 4: bus and look through that, and it was just loved
Speaker 4: that thing and I wanted to get in it.
Speaker 1: So I tried all kinds of different.
Speaker 4: Things, snatching coins off my elbow, like you put them
Speaker 4: on your elbow, you could turn your hand and catch
Speaker 4: him before they hit the ground.
Speaker 1: I worked on that. I don't know how many hours.
Speaker 4: If I hadn't put that many hours into playing the piano,
Speaker 4: i'd be at Carnegie Hall. But no, I was trying
Speaker 4: to snatch quarters off my elbow. Or one time was
Speaker 4: wearing roller skates NonStop. I forget what the world record was,
Speaker 4: but I was going to try to do that. I'm
Speaker 4: sure that was a lot of fun in the house
Speaker 4: for your parents. It ended the first night. I made
Speaker 4: it all day long, but trying to sleep in bed
Speaker 4: with roller skates on, like I can't do this.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 1: Part of it was my mom.
Speaker 4: Was worried about me tearing up the sheets with the
Speaker 4: roller skates on, so I had to have my feet
Speaker 4: hanging off the bed.
Speaker 1: So she's the reason I'm not in the book. She
Speaker 1: wasn't as.
Speaker 4: Committed as me to a Guinness World World record. She
Speaker 4: wouldn't let me put my roller skates on the mattress.
Speaker 1: I want to lose mom, come on.
Speaker 4: Then I was gonna there was some record about living
Speaker 4: in a cardboard box, which now it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody in certain streets in la or Portland could be
Speaker 4: sitting in the records, but was living in a cardboard box.
Speaker 4: So I did this probably like a day in the night.
Speaker 4: And they had a slit in a cardboard box. And
Speaker 4: I remember my mom sliding through a plate of like
Speaker 4: eggs and French toast to me in the.
Speaker 1: More like you're in prison. I can't believe she went
Speaker 1: her along with this stuff.
Speaker 13: So well, well this might be a dumb question. Was
Speaker 13: it the cardboard box in the house?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was down in the basement. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I did a number of them.
Speaker 4: It was just I wanted to be like my son
Speaker 4: said the other day when we were driving home in
Speaker 4: the cyber truck, he said, you like people looking at you,
Speaker 4: don't you? And apparently I do have something in that
Speaker 4: because I wanted to be in the Guinness World Book
Speaker 4: of Records, and then I end up doing.
Speaker 9: This for a career.
Speaker 13: But there has to be a record you can break
Speaker 13: that we can get you in there.
Speaker 8: There has to be I say you do this roller
Speaker 8: skates one again. Yeah your sheets now, no way.
Speaker 1: These are my sheets. Dammit.
Speaker 4: If I tear them up with the roller skates, that's
Speaker 4: my problem. Need therapy all around that whole thing. That's
Speaker 4: funny how much time I got my goal ten seconds
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