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Speaker 1: we need to talk about what transpired Thursday night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't good. Half the starting lineup was just missing

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Speaker 1: on their part. Just quit. So John is Quinn still

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Speaker 1: GM there? Who's the GM in Titans? John Robinson was

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Speaker 1: like honest, like honestly, like sometimes I like, are you

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Speaker 1: Bill was wearing for those for those of us, he

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Speaker 1: has no time for you. Come on, let's get to

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Speaker 1: the over routes. Um. So he does it again. Um,

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Speaker 1: and that makes Patriots fans even more miserable. Will you

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Speaker 1: yearn for the days of your then have Max. He

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Speaker 1: wants to be coach harder, rights, harder, harder. That's wrong.

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Speaker 1: I want to be coached harder. This is Patriots Unfiltered,

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Speaker 1: fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It's

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Speaker 1: Wednesday here at Gillette Stadium. And uh, what a lively

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Speaker 1: it before. But just a great job, Matt. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it captured so much of the spirit. It was a

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Speaker 1: good show. You're working blue as usually, you know, not

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a really good, lively conversation about

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Speaker 1: the current state of affairs with the Patriots. And I

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Speaker 1: think we looked at it from all different angles as

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Speaker 1: objectively as both sides. Yeah, we don't just like, you know,

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Speaker 1: everything is great. Yeah, we just of course give the

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Speaker 1: past to Bill Belichick, of course, as the caller called

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Speaker 1: in yesterday. And I didn't care because I feel like

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Speaker 1: You know, people behind people hear what they want to hear.

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Speaker 1: But I think that means that we're probably offering some

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Speaker 1: balance to the show. And you know, it's not an

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Speaker 1: easy thing to do when there's so many issues, Like

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Speaker 1: it'd be so like I keep saying this about the offense,

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Speaker 1: it'd be so easy if you just said, you know,

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Speaker 1: the receivers are doing great, the running game is awesome,

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Speaker 1: That's easy, well, not easy, but you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to identify. Yeah. Well it's funny now too,

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Speaker 1: because every I feel like every day you get someone

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Speaker 1: talked to SCARNECKI. Uh, you've got Charlie Weiss weighing in.

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's got their own thing, like Charlie Weiss

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Speaker 1: is it's the weapons, Scarnecki is. You don't say this.

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Speaker 1: The plan all along for Bill was to bring in

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Speaker 1: offensive touchdowns yards per game, third down conversion percentage, and

426
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Speaker 1: red zone success rate are all down in their last

427
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Speaker 1: six games. So you are protecting the football, yes, great, great,

428
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: not moving the ball, and you're not scoring points, which

429
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: are the two things that Bill Belichick requires out of

430
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 1: his offense. Ye okay, So here's where I kind of

431
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: get a little bit like I just I have like

432
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: palms raised on what it's going to take. So at

433
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: the end, field kind of surmises Belichick, using the phrase

434
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: quote physically can't do might be the difference to what

435
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: this team has been dealing with on the might be

436
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: a reference to what this team has been dealing with

437
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Having more aggressive attack usually requires downfield,

438
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, takes a little bit and generally speaking, a

439
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 1: little bit more sustained blocks. So he writes, perhaps personnel

440
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: issues like issues on the offensive line leading to the

441
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: team's offensive philies. Perhaps it's coaching. In all likelihood, it's both.

442
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: That may not lead too much in the way of

443
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: hope for the Patriots offense moving forward, but it in

444
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,959
Speaker 1: Belichick has said changes aren't imminent in order to achieve

445
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: that satisfactory level. But what doesn't he add in there

446
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 1: as a possible reason mac Jones in his ability to

447
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: protect the ball while being more aggressive, like that's not

448
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: part of this. Yeah, And I just think that he

449
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: continues to scate because of the coaching situation. I think

450
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting, Paul, because it's such a conversation

451
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: we talked about philosophically of them needing to push the

452
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: ball down the field more, and that's what we kind

453
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: of took away from early in camp, which just like, God,

454
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: this is all they're doing, just chucking it down the field.

455
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: And then you know, during the middle part of the

456
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: season where it was getting frustrated, or starting to get

457
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: frustrated here, everyone's like, can we just go back to

458
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: a mac tidwell, you know, and then which led to

459
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: the zappy came in and Fred is absolutely right. The

460
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 1: governor went on, they had success, and can't they just

461
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: do that? Yeah, and now we've done that and they

462
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: don't have success. You're not turning the ball over, but

463
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: you're not. And I mean, I love the stats that

464
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: you brought up about because that's what it's about. It's

465
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: about third down, it's about red zone, it's about points.

466
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean those And Bill looks at it and says,

467
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Speaker 1: if I can get a quarterback who doesn't turn the

468
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: ball over in four games, I'll have a chance to

469
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: win those games. Now I would counter with saying, yes,

470
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Speaker 1: is Sam Ellinger is the other team's quarterback, you'll have

471
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Speaker 1: a chance to win that game. Right, Zach Wilson's the

472
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: other team's quarterback, you'll have a chance. I don't think

473
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Speaker 1: they had any chance of beating the Buffalo Bills the

474
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Speaker 1: other night playing offense the way they played. You know,

475
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Speaker 1: and you go back to the first game of the

476
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: season against the Dolphins, and you know that that initial

477
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: drive where they go right down the field and Mac

478
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: throws the interception in the end zone to part intended

479
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: to Parker. You know, I'm perfectly fine blaming that on Mac.

480
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't put it high enough. Whatever, Try

481
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: it again, but it's like, up, we can't do that again.

482
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: We can't throw it into the end zone. Well, they

483
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: try to begin the next weekend. We're rewarded with it

484
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: when Agalore made a great catch. Well, now I don't

485
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: want to live off of that. Yeah, but there's by

486
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: balance that you can't find. And that's why and like

487
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: I see, and that's you get to Max. Max's frustration

488
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: on the sideline and this short stuff isn't working like

489
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: and that's what I think that they probably need to

490
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: try to figure out here in these next few games,

491
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: is how do we get established a confidence level with

492
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: Mac with the short stuff, with his you know, with

493
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: the governor on but by still being able to use

494
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: play action and shots down the field and and have

495
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: more aggression than But I think in this league, a

496
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: quarterback needs to create his own governor. He needs to

497
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: figure out his own went to throttle up, throttle down,

498
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: because he has to understand what he can and can't do.

499
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: And if you don't let him do it, experience it.

500
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: He's never gonna learn. Yeah, I agree with you that.

501
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's a painful process in

502
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: this league to be a quarterback from from a rookie,

503
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: but you have to go through that, you have to

504
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: go through it. Yeah. It makes me wonder what Mac

505
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: would say, truthfully, you know, what did you learn from

506
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: those early games where you were turning the ball over

507
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: a ton? You're making bad decisions? I mean, and that's

508
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: like it's not even just like the interception itself. It

509
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: was a lot of those was just the decision of like,

510
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: you can't throw that ball, you know, right? So has

511
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: he taken stuff from that? And and you know, I

512
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: mean this conversation is kind of like making me perk

513
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: up a little bit of like, all right, what could

514
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: they could they maybe find a middle ground? Like I mean,

515
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's got a lot at this

516
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: point that that's going to be the key for next

517
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: year is to figure out where they can settle into

518
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: because bombs away is not they're not suited for that.

519
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: But you can't win doing it the way they did

520
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Thursday night either, So they're gonna have to figure out.

521
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: I agree with Fred that's a big part of a

522
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: quarterback's development is figuring out when and how those kinds

523
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: of chances can be made. You know, you and I

524
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: disagreed a little bit. Freddie on the postgame show. I

525
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: felt one of the when when Mac I think I

526
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: might be having my time off on this Again. I

527
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: thought Matt's frustration came on that possession in the fourth

528
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: quarter when it was third and fourteen something like that,

529
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Speaker 1: and they threw a little They threw a pass that

530
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: traveled two yards to Jakobe myers Um and he got

531
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Speaker 1: like five set up like a fourth and seven or

532
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: something like that. Again, I don't have the exact totals now,

533
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: but they were on the Bill's side of the field

534
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: fourth and seven ish, and they punted, and I think

535
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: Bill wanted I mean, I think Mac wanted to go

536
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: for it. I think that's when he went to the sideline.

537
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: And you know, in other words, if we're not going

538
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Speaker 1: to go for it on third and fourteen, if it's

539
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: not two downs, then we can't run a shallow cross, right,

540
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: you have to go for the stick, you know. I

541
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: think that that's was part of his problem with that

542
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: that's the talk of the same stuff on Like like

543
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: Fred said that, like the whole the whole thing this

544
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: week has been all about the offense and the coaching

545
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: in Patricia and all that. So like, yeah, I mean,

546
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta play the hits. This is what

547
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about. But I think that's what Mac was

548
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: upset about, and Fred, you and I disagreed. I thought

549
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: Bill kind of coach that game the other night to

550
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, reasonably close, and didn't coach it

551
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, Like I think he felt like, well,

552
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: if I go for it here, I'm gonna give the

553
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: ball at midfield, it's gonna be thirty one man. You

554
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be thirty one to seven. And you

555
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: know if if I throw the ball down the field

556
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: and I turned the ball over, it's it's it. We're

557
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: gonna get embarrassed on national time. Like I would argue, like,

558
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: what's the difference between losing twenty four to seven or

559
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: twenty four to ten ultimately, which I thought kicking the

560
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: field goal was ridiculous too, But twenty four to ten

561
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: and you know, thirty four to ten, well, who cares?

562
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we kind of laugh at like

563
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: when people say this, but any credence to the idea

564
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: that they're gonna play them again and that game might

565
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: be more meaningful than this game possibly, you know, so

566
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: you you do certain things. I don't know, I know,

567
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: And I almost asked Bill about that once. I was

568
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: just and I talked myself out of it because I

569
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 1: felt like I wouldn't get anything interesting of do you

570
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: ever hold back or do you ever play a game

571
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: with an eye twitter? I mean, I'm sure he would

572
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: have been like, no, we just played that. We put

573
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: everything into this one game and that's it, you know.

574
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: But but I do wonder, with all the advanced scouting

575
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: and everything that they do, if if there is some

576
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: element of you know, just thinking ahead and or you know,

577
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: at these running plays that you're going to counter off

578
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: of in the next game, not like, oh, we're gonna

579
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: do anything crazy to surprise them and overre not gonna

580
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: play our best player in this And what did Evan

581
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: say yesterday? I thought I thought he made a comment

582
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: about the they their offensive game plan seem predicated on

583
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: breaking tackles because the Bills. The Bills defense had missed

584
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: a fair share of tackles when there this year and

585
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: he and he was like, and Evan counter by saying,

586
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, when they were missing you know, at

587
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: times eight of their eleven starters on defense. Yeah, you know,

588
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: they played some games really with a very low amount

589
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: of starters on defense and they had most of those

590
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: guys back. Yeah the other day, that would be that

591
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: would be disheartening. I mean, it just sounds like a

592
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, a blogger coming up with the game plan

593
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: for the team off like, well, it says here that

594
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: they've missed a lot of times, we're gonna go try

595
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: to make I mean, that's not a bad thing. If

596
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: they're not good at tackling, then put them in a

597
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: position to have to make one on one tackles. I

598
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: don't know what would the plan of been if von

599
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: Miller was in there, Like, I mean, then when you're

600
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: even more hampered of like how throw the ball down

601
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: the field and sustained blocks all that stuff. It's uh,

602
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of this does tie

603
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: into the offensive line is everything. There are multiple issues

604
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: going on, but yeah, you know, so much of the

605
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: offense of doing what you want to do. I mean,

606
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: just listening to Little Plug Paul's great new Paths from

607
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: the Past with Logan Mankins, it was outstanding. Um, you know,

608
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: he just comes with a quote of, you know, talking

609
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl forty two. Yeah, you know, the

610
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: offensive line as we didn't play that well. Very often,

611
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: when the offensive line doesn't play well, you're not gonna win.

612
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: You know what. I really liked about that line. He said,

613
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: we didn't play well. And then he immediately stopped and

614
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: he said, I didn't play well. Right, that's right. I

615
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: don't want to Hi, it's bad I did it. It

616
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: was twenty eleven, the year he played on the on

617
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: the torn acl Was that was that the year? I

618
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: think I don't remember. I think it was. Yeah, yeah,

619
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: but they kicked him out the tackle when they had

620
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: too when he played just as well a tackle. Yeah.

621
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: It was about that too. A little little side, I mean,

622
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a pump paulse and Matt's tires a little bit.

623
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: But it was one of my favorite episodes. He's just

624
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: such a likable guy. Saw spoken and we all know

625
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: how he was on the field, and um, you know,

626
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: you never heard much from Logan Mankins while he was here.

627
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: He just kind of showed up and played his ass

628
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: off and he was the offensive version of Gilmore. Yeah,

629
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: I said a lot, but he said it really quietly.

630
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: People didn't realize he was saying. So. My favorite moment

631
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: with Mankins on the field is in Denver. We're getting

632
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: we're getting beat and he's having a hard time and

633
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: he's on his knees in front of the defensive lineman

634
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: plays over. This is after the whistle and he's on

635
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: two knees and he just rears back and punches the

636
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: guy in the nuts. I mean, I did punch the guy.

637
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Didn't ask him about that, you know, I do remember

638
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: it though. I'll never forget that. It was like he

639
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: didn't care. He just he just rear back and punched

640
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: the guy in the nuts. The great stories probably be

641
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: ready with him and matt Light getting ready to take

642
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: on Channing Crowder or you know, just I mean, it's

643
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: just you love those guys. I mean, they were just

644
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: such a THEO was that the bearded band of brothers

645
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: like that. They were every year and um, it's a

646
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: great group. It was. It was. Yeah, good check it out.

647
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: I just wrote up a thing on it too. It

648
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: passed from the past. We'll do a clip. I was

649
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: talking to Mattie about it tomorrow. So yeah, I mean

650
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: we talked about it on our staff meeting yesterday. Those

651
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: are going to have increased importance as we get it

652
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: further away from the dynasty. Yeah, you know, to kind

653
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: of capture all the thoughts of those players that were

654
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: involved in that. You know, I just as the fan

655
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: in me, and I mean I've said this before, but

656
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: what I always just love about those kind of things

657
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: is you know, you watched the game as a fan

658
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: and unfolds and you know they win or lose, and

659
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: you're elated or you're you're really upset, but you never

660
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: really you know, feel connection to the team as far

661
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: as that you know, they come in, well, we gotta

662
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: go back to the drawing board, you know. But to

663
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: hear the players like to hear Logan, they get to

664
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: talk about the six AFC Championship and be like, I

665
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: don't know how we lost that game. You know, I

666
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I'm saying, you know what else he said,

667
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: we'd have won that, Yeah he did. I couldn't believe it.

668
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, we obviously would have won that

669
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against Chicago and it's the only one I

670
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: could not But it was. It's just cool when you

671
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: hear those guys and you hear they were, you know,

672
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: experiencing the same emotions that you were. We were making

673
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: travel plans at halftime, and I mean when at ran

674
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: that interstelling back, yeah, it was like and then it

675
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: just collapsed. I remember there was a couple there were

676
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: a couple of guys there. Um you know that you

677
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: know one one in particular. I used to work with

678
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: The Herald, this guy named Jerry Sparr who had kind

679
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: of like what Greg Bernard does now, like his own website,

680
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: and he was like making arrangements and he had a

681
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: books on then and then like this is all at

682
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: half time because you knew the prices, you knew the

683
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: prices were gonna skyride. And he was like, I just

684
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: wasted so much more. He's like so mad after they

685
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: lost Evans here and to pic in the same building

686
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: as me. He's back from Bill. So tell us what

687
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick had to say today. It was an interesting

688
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: press conference because it was normal press conference. And then

689
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Calhan from The Herald came in and tried to

690
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: hold his feet to the fire a little bit about

691
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: the offensive coaching staff and the play calling and things

692
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: like that. So it was it was mostly normal, right,

693
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: like you know, normal press conference, asking about different players,

694
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: asking about guys that are on ir He did mention

695
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: that Christian Barmore still undecided whether or not he's going

696
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: to come out out West with the team or not

697
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: he because he will be eligible to play in the

698
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: Raiders game technically, so if he travels or doesn't travel,

699
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: is going to dictate whether or not he's gonna be

700
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: out there for practice most likely, So still undecided on that.

701
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: The question about the play calling was essentially, you said

702
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: yesterday you feel good about the system. What about it

703
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: do you feel good about? You know, what is it

704
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: that you feel good about? Exactly? And he Belichick of

705
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: course corrected a little bit, I think from a response

706
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: that he gave yesterday and said, look, you know, we

707
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: can do everything better. I'm not saying that we can't

708
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: be better in that aspect of offense. But he continues

709
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: to harp on consistency and execution. Let's just do what

710
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: we're doing better versus trying to reinvent the wheel in

711
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: week thirteen and change it up on the fly. Yeah,

712
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there is something to be said about like,

713
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, let's see if we can do this right first,

714
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: because we're making mistakes. So let's what happens if we,

715
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, minimize the mistakes before we start making wholesale changes.

716
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: I get that, you know, and I get his point about, look,

717
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: they're not going to go to the veer offense. But

718
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if I haven't said this

719
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: on the yesterday, but he's like play callers get changed

720
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: all the time in the NFL. Like it's not like

721
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: like you don't have to change the whole offense. You

722
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: could just you know, make it, make a simple change

723
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: like that. Um, but how many how many times though

724
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: when you see those things happen? Is it just scapegoating? Yeah?

725
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: You know, I mean I tell you it's the right

726
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: move every time. I remember Frank. But I think the

727
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: point Mike is trying to make is it happens all

728
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. But like Frank Reich with that with

729
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: like their offensive corners fired like a week before and

730
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: then he got fired. Yeah. Well, coaches you know, take

731
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: play calling duties, they give away you know, it's like

732
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. That I said yesterday, The

733
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: Green Bay Special teams coach, they were terrible on special teams.

734
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: He got fired, they brought in a new guy. Didn't

735
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss lose play calling duties at one point or

736
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: didn't something happened with him happen I'm aware of, Yeah,

737
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: but you know it does happen a lot. But I

738
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: also just think that what difference does it really make?

739
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Like I just I think that like the way that

740
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: they do it, Like if you had another play caller

741
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: in there right now, he's just gonna be calling the

742
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: same places that Matt Patricia's basically calling. Well, Like I

743
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: don't know how much wiggle room this play caller really

744
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: has to, Like I just I picture them all in

745
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: a room doing it together, and regardless of who's the

746
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: guy in the iramac they need a new setup, like

747
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: they need like this is the stuff that Evan's been

748
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: harping on all Like they don't really have a good

749
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: plan all the time. They don't have great design all

750
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: the time. So it's just where do you go from there?

751
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: They don't have a good to me is they don't

752
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: have a good foundation, Like what do they do well

753
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: and what is their identity as an offense where they

754
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: can fall back on it and say this is what

755
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna do to get down the field. To me,

756
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple things. One, the Broncos just

757
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: changed their play caller, Nathaniel Hackett handed it over to

758
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: a Clint Kobi act their pass game coordinator. Week obviously

759
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: didn't work out very well for their offense last week,

760
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: but it just happened in Denver, so it's not like

761
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: this is like completely foreign to happen in the NFL.

762
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: I think the other thing is, once we get down

763
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: the stretch here a little bit, and let's say they

764
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: are out of the playoffs, it would be nice to

765
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: know if Nick Kayley can do it right, because you

766
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: have to go into next season. It's kind of like

767
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty when they insisted on playing Cam Newton

768
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: down the stretch and we never figured out what they

769
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: had in Jared Stidham because they wanted to stick with Cam. Well,

770
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: if you're stick with Matt Patricia in the final two

771
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: weeks of the year when you're mathematically eliminated from the

772
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: playoffs and you're not really learning about the other coaches

773
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: on the staff. And the third thing I would say

774
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: is just they last week they came out with a

775
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: game plan of this quick game, get the ball out

776
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: of max hands, get it to the skill players, try

777
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: to create yards after the catch, and then next week

778
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: they'll come out with a completely different plan. And when

779
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: they had Brady, when they had Josh McDaniels, when they

780
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: had a good solid foundation, I think you could do that,

781
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: or you can change a week to week and be

782
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: a game plan offense and do what's best against a

783
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: particular defense. Now I just want to see them execute

784
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: ten plays well, like can you what can you execute well?

785
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: And can you execute a group of plays consistently weekend

786
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: and week out. I think we get lost sometimes in

787
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: this game plan offense, game plan defense minutia where they're

788
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: trying to reinvent the wheel during the week a little bit,

789
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: and it's like, but that's not what you do well

790
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: or what do you do to the point I I mean,

791
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it too, and it made me

792
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: wonder if you know, even the with Josh, there was

793
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: always like a basis, and I wonder if at this

794
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: point they were just like, well, we don't We're just

795
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: game plan we're doing We're changing up every why do

796
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: we even need the basis, you know, like that it

797
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 1: feels like they threw that out. They threw the baby

798
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: out with the bath water soda speak with some I

799
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's it's and I don't think

800
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: you can ignore the fact that when even if you

801
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: have a good plan, like let's say Minnesota, like they

802
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: came out, they ran pretty good offense that night, but

803
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: then when it's time to adjust in time to like

804
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: get into it, like you have guys like you say,

805
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: like you know Josh always had like a baselet well

806
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: they they had those hours in years and you know,

807
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: hundreds of games to fall back on. Oh yeah, you

808
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: know might work here. They're gonna do this. They adjusted

809
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: to this. We're gonna do what we did back in uh,

810
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: you know the last time we played Minnesota and like

811
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: that that you know, whatever game. And I don't know

812
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: if they have that catalog to fall back on their

813
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: defensive guys and it goes it goes back. I think

814
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: never done it. To what Fred said, And I'm not

815
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: saying that that, you know, but there needs to be

816
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: some kind of a little bit of leeway with a

817
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: new play caller. And I'm not saying this to be

818
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: like Matt Patrician. We need to give him time. Like

819
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: and you know, before this show, I was talking about

820
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: if they just promoted Nick Kaylee and it looked the

821
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: same as it does right now, you know, would everybody'd

822
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: be killing Kaylee like they killed Patricia Um. But you know,

823
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: I just that that's where I live of, Like, all right,

824
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: how much leeway do you give any new offensive coordinator

825
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: or play caller at the beginning? What was it like

826
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: for Josh in two thousand and five? You know, what

827
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: was How does he go from becoming you know, the

828
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: guy in two thousand and five after Charlie left to

829
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: designing the two thousand and seven offense, and you know,

830
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: putting Randy Moss and Wes Welker in such position to

831
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: have dominant seasons, You know, I'd love to think that

832
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: Nick Kayley could develop into that guy. I just I

833
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Everybody talks about Nick Kayley

834
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: like he's the great White Knight um to save us,

835
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know anything about Nick Kiley,

836
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: like at least be right, But I mean, I mean

837
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: I would say, what did Josh? I mean that was

838
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: like Josh mcknell's eighth year in the offense. Well, but

839
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean fourth, I mean he got what two thousand, No,

840
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: but I would say that certainly when he came in,

841
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: he was eighted greatly by Tom Brady's presence, Like anybody

842
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: would argue against that, and these guys don't have that luxury.

843
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: I just think some of their their concepts against Minnesota

844
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: that they were running from the shotgun that we're working,

845
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: those are I think are things that we've seen for

846
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: two years now work. And not to excuse the play calling,

847
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: but their offensive line it's not gonna it wasn't holding

848
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: up last week to run those plays. And that's really

849
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: been a big thing. I think that you know, you

850
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: want to get into what's actually going on on the

851
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: field and the personnel and not so much about the

852
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: play callers. That's happening is that they have just been

853
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: you know, Belichick said it yesterday. The availability has been

854
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: inconsistent on the offensive line. David Andrews coming in and

855
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: out of the lineup, Trent Brown coming in and out

856
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: of the facility because he's got this illness, you know,

857
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: right tackle. They're on their fourth right tackle now with

858
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Connor McDermott. Cole Strange has been on the rookie seesaw

859
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: right where he's up and down with his play. Really

860
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: the only guy that's been in the same spot that's

861
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: Ben solid as Mike on WINU and I think that's

862
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,959
Speaker 1: why they don't want to move him around, is because

863
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: he's like the one thing that they have right. So

864
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: in some respects, you have to look at it and

865
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: look at the play to play execution a little bit too,

866
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: and say, well, okay, against Minnesota, when they didn't have

867
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: the pass rush that a Buffalo has, or that a

868
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: Jets team has or a Colt's team has, they're able

869
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: to block some of these downfield passing concepts. And then

870
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: they get into the Buffalo game and every time they

871
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: try to drop back past it's a disaster up front.

872
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on with the offensive line too.

873
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: But I just I think that the foundational elements of

874
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: this offense is a where they lack it. You mentioned

875
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: McDaniels foundation. McDaniel's foundation was power eye Like his foundation

876
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: was under center, full back in the backfield. You know,

877
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: we're going to be a power run team. We're gonna

878
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: play action off the power run like that was always

879
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: what they could fall back on on first and second down,

880
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: which is really when your foundational elements come out. Third

881
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: down is sort of the game plan stuff, that's sort

882
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: of your passing game stuff. First and second down is

883
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: what you are identity wise as an offense, and they

884
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: just don't have that identity anymore. I want to, I

885
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: want to. I want to dig a little deeper on

886
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: this Nick Kiley thing because I just looked it up,

887
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: and I guess what's not sitting with me is that

888
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: how long Matt Patricia been annoying? How long has he

889
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: coached in the NFL? Twenty plus years? He's been a

890
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: head coach, right, Nick Keilles coach seven years of tight ends? Here,

891
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: he was ten year coach in college on the defensive

892
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: side of the ball. So I'm just the next job,

893
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: I'm saying, are saying, I know, But are we saying

894
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: seven years coaching the tight end group is paramount? Is

895
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: greater than a twenty year Yeah. And if I would

896
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: also also coached on the head, you'd give the seven

897
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: year tight end coach. I would say anybody that's coached

898
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: offense would have an edge over a guy who's only

899
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: coached defense for the most part. But he's been but

900
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean he was assistant offensive line coach for a year,

901
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: but a head coach too. That's something that's nothing for me. Nothing.

902
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: Would you would you want to hire Bill as your

903
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator tomorrow? He's been a head coach and the

904
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: most successful one that's ever done it. Yeah, I would.

905
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't probably. I mean this to me, this is

906
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: Bill being the offensive coordinator to a degree, Like this

907
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: is the offensive he puts out there right like, I

908
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: thank you. The sample is not very good, if that's

909
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: like where you want to go at the conversation. I mean,

910
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: he's the greatest head coach in the history. I wouldn't

911
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: want to hire him to He would not be hiring

912
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: my list of offensive coordinator candids tomorrow. Yeah, And he's

913
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: the best head coach he's ever done it. I'd hired

914
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: him to anything. You would hire him to your lawn?

915
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I get it. That might take a while. I'm not

916
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: saying it to like you know, but I just we

917
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: get so into like he's never even coached offense before,

918
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, like and and there's certainly validity to that.

919
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say that there isn't. But

920
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't think anyone has really

921
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: mentioned that Nick Kaylee was a ten year coach on

922
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. But because he's coached

923
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: tight ends were like, let's just hand him the keys.

924
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: It's got to be better than mat Patricia. Well, people

925
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: just see. But that last part I would agree with

926
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: the first part, like he would not have been high

927
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: on my list of candidates to replace Josh McDaniels, but

928
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: based on what was left, he's would be the highest

929
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: on the list. It's either you or you, like we've

930
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: talked about. I think it was before you show, you know.

931
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people think, oh, well, you know,

932
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: Bill wanted to keep Nick. You know, he didn't let

933
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: him go, but he was the only guy that couldn't

934
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: go because he was on the contract. And Bill might

935
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: have been like, Josh, you're not taking everybody, you know,

936
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: And it might not have been like, oh, I've I've

937
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: tapped Nick Kayley for anything special. It might have been

938
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: just frustration, like you're not taking everybody. I need some

939
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: type of continuity, you know, I gotta keep somebody, you know.

940
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: I also, I think he leaves next year. That's I mean,

941
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: that's what I think. Well, I think, you know, you've

942
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: got a taste of having been offered something and now

943
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: it's in your head, you know, right right right? Well,

944
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: and that's the other one. Am I missing out on

945
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: by staying here? That's what I pushed back on pre show.

946
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: It was just that I don't get the whole point

947
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: of we can't promote him because then he'll leave, Like

948
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: if you don't promote him, he's goes because like you

949
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: might as well take a shot and and and give

950
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: the guy a chance. And it was also a message

951
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: to the other coaches. But here's the other thing. So

952
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: he was gonna go because Josh probably would have taken him,

953
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Josh who knows him. But is Nick this commodity otherwise?

954
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: That's my point. I have no idea what Nick Kayley.

955
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Just to tell the whole story here, Tom Pellisera does

956
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: a list every year of like rising star coaches in

957
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the league. Nick Kayley has been on that list for

958
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: like three straight seasons. Okay, you know so, and that's

959
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Tom Peli Sara, it's a national reporter. Yeah, you know me,

960
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: all right? So is that based on the eighteen season coach?

961
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I have not. I have no idea what Nick Kaylee

962
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: is as a coach, right, And I do know of

963
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: the list that I was talking about it. I always

964
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: laugh at some of the names on it. There's some

965
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: bad names and there's some good names. Right. A lot

966
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: of these media guys, they just fashioned themselves as you know, coachmakers,

967
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, kingmakers, you know, guy, I guess I don't

968
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: know what. No one could deserve that job more than

969
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: this guy. There's even like it's like, who's who's like

970
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: to reserve Dolphins wide receiver coach? Right, Dolphins wide receiver

971
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: coaches Southern hot? He must really hot. Then you find

972
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: out that his agent is the same as the right

973
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, those two guys went to the same

974
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: college and were there together. Oh that's why I don't

975
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: always take some of those things. And Idsen on the

976
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: list probably too, right, Like every every year, I mean,

977
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: Mayo is always on it. And people have always said,

978
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: how did he ascend to a head coaching candidate so fast?

979
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: And guy, it's a great guy right with the media,

980
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: always has been Oh great relationship. He worked for a

981
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: private company and they said he was good. You know,

982
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: it's like great relationships with there's so much that goes

983
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes that we don't know and we

984
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: will never know, you know, like we have no idea

985
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: like what's going on with this coaching staff and the

986
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: conversations and the factions and who's you know, speaking out

987
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: and who's not and opinions, and we have no idea. Yeah,

988
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: that's why just the quick, quick little preview Cardinals. I've

989
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: been watching Hard Knocks. I just flip that on last night.

990
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: I plowed through a couple of episodes, and it's always

991
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals worked so hard. Yeah, I love that

992
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I mean, it's it's funny you

993
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: said that, because those are the times when you do

994
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: actually see what's going on behind the scenes of the

995
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: coaching meetings, and you know, even just to see like

996
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, which by the way, it's weird. It's

997
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: like they're in like an auditorium and and what's his face?

998
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: The coach like sits up on the on this he

999
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: sits up on the stage. You better you might want

1000
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: to know that name it I'm just saying. But he's

1001
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: just like on the stage, and like all the coaches

1002
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: like just kind of are spread out in the in

1003
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: the audience of the of the auditorium, and he's just

1004
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of like sitting in a chair up on the stage,

1005
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: like dictating to giving a ted talk a little bit.

1006
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: And that's what it felt like. I totally well, it

1007
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: used to be the offensive line coach until he got

1008
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: caught groping people in Mexico. I haven't gotten to that part.

1009
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: It hard, but just so many of the details of

1010
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: coordinating an offense, and I get into all the scheme

1011
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: stuff like why aren't they using a guy like this

1012
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: or why aren't they running this player that play? But

1013
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: it's also just this the details of route spacing, drop

1014
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: back timing, you know, uh, executing handoffs on third and

1015
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: one on the opening drop you know, stuff like that

1016
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: that you just see. It would fundamentals on the offensive line.

1017
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: Fundamentals on the offensive line. Like you know, we were

1018
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: talking about this earlier, another pre show thing when um,

1019
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, evaluating this draft class, because we were talking

1020
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: about this a little bit yesterday. Can I fairly evaluate

1021
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: Cold Strange and Taekwon Thornton in the prism of this

1022
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: offense right now? Like, how am I supposed to say that?

1023
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: You know, Cole Strange has not played particularly I would

1024
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: say strange. Yes, Thornton, I just don't know how you

1025
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: can do that, because it's strange getting the coaching that

1026
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: he needs on his technique and on his fundamentals. For

1027
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, I don't know. I mean maybe maybe not,

1028
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: But isn't like alignment only Like, Okay, your technique is

1029
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: one thing and your results are kind of right that

1030
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: Like with Thornton, he's not really being given a huge

1031
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: chance to establish himself a role in this offense. So

1032
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: I totally get That's why I'm not ready to say, well,

1033
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm not get another second round receiver bus like no,

1034
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: like I'm not ready to do that with Thornton. I'm

1035
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: not gonna go and say, you know, if Dante was

1036
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: still here, would Cole Strange be better? Obviously everybody would

1037
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: be better if Dante was still here, agreed, If Carmen

1038
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: Priscilla was still here, would Cole Strange be better? He

1039
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: probably would be better, right, So, like that's just the

1040
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: thing is I have a bad game. You look at

1041
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: the tape, and it's good to have a coach to say,

1042
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: here's what you did wrong, let's work on yeah, right,

1043
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I also think what Mac was

1044
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: saying too after the game the other night, that he

1045
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: wants to be coached harder. Yeah he does. He's like

1046
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: the guy in Da Vinci Code would create a self flagellation.

1047
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: That just it does stand out to me that when

1048
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: have you ever heard that come out of this building

1049
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: that they're not coaching the players hard enough. Like that's

1050
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: just intense for Bill Belichick's coaching staff to not be

1051
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: lacing into players when there's errors on the tape and

1052
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: they have to make corrections and things like that. I

1053
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: mean some of the stories that you've heard of Belichick

1054
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: ripping players and team meetings and stuff like that. I

1055
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: mean Julian Edelman goes on TV sometimes and share some

1056
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: of the stories. Edelman, the guy from Foxborough High makes

1057
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: this catch, you know, like things like in front of me,

1058
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: I can't complain, Yeah I can't. Right, I've heard, like

1059
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,480
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1084
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1087
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1088
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1089
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1090
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1091
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1092
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1093
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Speaker 1: Alabama Tennessee. There's probably at least one future Patriot playing

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Speaker 1: in that game. Um, so that would probably be it. Okay,

1267
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: because he's patting himself on the back so much. I'm

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna just say this, the reason why I don't get

1269
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: into college football in the fall is because I have

1270
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: what's called a girlfriend and I had shot fireball Saturday.

1271
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 1: I spend it with Jess. There you go. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to truly enjoy my Saturday this week. And I thought

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 1: you said we weren't doing we weren't doing personally. That's

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: another great moment from and if you want more of that,

1275
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: exchange that that chemistry after this show, Catch twenty two

1276
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: that remains one of the greatest evident Alex. I'm gonna

1277
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: use that on the show. I thought we weren't the

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01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: first time I've heard that since. And then that was

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01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: he went to the Juggle. I can't believe he's recovered.

1280
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: He was down. It's good stuff. He was down, but

1281
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: luckily at a college football Saturday and he was fine.

1282
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: Oh he's going to Army Navy. So he's he's all

1283
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: excited this week. Oh yeah, wow, good for him. I

1284
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: am planning on going to that next year. Yeah. Yeah,

1285
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: they're they're sending them. Um, it's the holiday season. You

1286
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: know who's ready? They are. FedEx is ready for the holidays.

1287
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: What else are they ready for? I don't know, but

1288
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: they're ready for the holidays and they're getting those packages out.

1289
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: You know, Amazon was down today, like the whole website

1290
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: was down. You couldn't place an order. So I placed

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: an order on Amazon yesterday. Yeah, and evidently I had

1292
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: a I had an account that I haven't used in forever,

1293
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: goes back to Prebeth. Really, it was back to when

1294
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: I lived in my parents. Was that right shipped? My

1295
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: shipping came up. It was my my original effort address

1296
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: A couple of times like I'm gonna have to change,

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01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's going to California on one. Yeah, I'm

1298
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: just I'm not going to say it. We said no personal.

1299
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: Oh you could take personal shots at me Prebeth and

1300
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: the internet. Oh no, that's a good personal that's a

1301
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: really good persons that's been around since the mid nineties.

1302
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: Amazon though, Yeah, Amazon, Well, I was trying to do

1303
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: the math in my head, like it was funny because

1304
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: I had um I was living in an apartment in

1305
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: everyt but I had everything shipped to my parents house

1306
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: because there was like a verification phone number and I

1307
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: had to figure it out like the last two you know,

1308
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: complete the rest of the phone number, last two digits

1309
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: eight zero, and I'm like, every phone number from your

1310
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: that's not my cell phone. It's not my old cell phone,

1311
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: it's not my home phone, it's not my parents house.

1312
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: It was my apartment in Everett, the last two numbers.

1313
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: So I figured that out and then I went in

1314
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: and did it in like the pre you know when

1315
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: it pre fills. Yeah, it was my original address. Wow,

1316
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: they keep that stuff. Then on Amazon. I assume Beth

1317
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: is like a prime member and you Amazon boxes like

1318
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: that's not the last listen, come in like left and right.

1319
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: It hasn't been thirty years between Amazon purchases and the

1320
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: plough House skills. Just paul Amazon purchases. Wow, she's got

1321
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: you covered. Yeah. Yeah, she got mad because she goes

1322
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: she didn't pay for shipping, did you? I was like

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: no time. No. I was like, okay, because we don't

1324
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: pay for shipping. All right? The prime members Yeah, what's

1325
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: the prime membership? Now? Like one hundred and fifty? I

1326
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: don't know. Five five passive. I've got to have it now, right,

1327
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: I have it now? You want to watch football on Thursdays?

1328
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: Five five past five hundred is the ticket. Hut Line

1329
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: web radio at pagris dot com is the email address.

1330
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: Let's get to the caller. It was. He tiptoed into it.

1331
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: He did, he was he was a little afraid. Don't

1332
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: be afraid. I know they had Amazon back then. He

1333
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 1: just threw that out there. Yeah, uh all right, computers

1334
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: did they have those? That's what I was thinking. Right,

1335
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: Let's go to while Elder, North Carolina. That's fact. Yeah,

1336
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, I like ya argument and like stout

1337
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: and everything, but I still would have offersive guys then

1338
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: defensive a guy and if you trained on under mc Daniels,

1339
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: Like I said, it can't be no worse than what

1340
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: it is now. He can't be Yeah, yeah, Nick with Kayley, Yeah,

1341
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: I would have did it from from the jump. He

1342
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: was the greatest coach and he you know that from

1343
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: the team. I know, I know you want your boy,

1344
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: but that's your boys, not it's a specialty. That's not

1345
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: a specialty. So I wouldn't level would have did that.

1346
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: So I'm next, y'all question, does everybody thinking that Bill

1347
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: O'Brien gonna come to New England next year trying to

1348
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: be the old team? What if you get a coaching

1349
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: job he's in college or the pros didn't What happened

1350
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: to that idea? Yeah, that's not a good idea. Somebody else, Yeah,

1351
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: you're I don't know. I think he stays anyone like

1352
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: who like anyone? I think he stays. Apparently the bars

1353
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: if you've coached seven years offense, you're are guys. No,

1354
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: But I think it's a I think the larger point

1355
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: that I'll take away from Eldred's call is what if

1356
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: Bill Bill O'Brien gets a hit grin and you don't

1357
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: have a Belichick Tree offensive coordinator guy to think What

1358
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: do you think he would do if Bill Bill O'Brien

1359
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: is not the the offensive coordinixt year, what do you

1360
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: think he would do? I hope that he would find

1361
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: another offensive coordinator. I think it's mad Patrician. No, I

1362
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 1: think I think you're right. I think that's what would happen.

1363
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: You would fail experiment again. I think you could get

1364
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: another assistant. Oh, I know you, I know, I'm just

1365
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: saying I think that what what happened is that Patricia

1366
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: would still be holding the same position he does now,

1367
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: but maybe you get him more experienced assistant, like a

1368
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: couple of years ago when they brought a jet fish

1369
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: for example, or somebody like that that that's been around

1370
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: the block, but not necessarily making him the offensive coordinator

1371
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: by a title. But the Bill O'Brien thing, that's the

1372
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: biggest thing to me with the Bill. Everybody just assumes

1373
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: that Bill O'Brien wants to come back, like I am

1374
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: assuming that he would he would come back. But it's

1375
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: a great point. I know nothing as to why. I

1376
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: don't know if you watch. Isn't his family here at all? Yeah?

1377
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 1: But he might just want to be a head coach

1378
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: somewhere and right or what if the an offensive coordinator

1379
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: job opens up elsewhere in the NFL with a better situation.

1380
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: That was step two. If he might just want to

1381
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 1: be a head coach, that might not be my avenue

1382
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: to get there. If his if his goal is to

1383
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: be a head coach again at some level of football,

1384
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: then honestly there's no better place than Alabama to that

1385
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: pipeline is is Razor Sharp like you go? Lane Kiffin

1386
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: gets the Old Miss job, Steve Sarkisian gets the job

1387
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: at Texas. You know that that just goes. Didn't Brian

1388
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: Dabile do it too before? So every two years that

1389
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: that offensive coordinator, regardless of if he's coaching up Tua

1390
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: and Mac Jones and DeVante Smith and Jalen Waddle, all

1391
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: the talent he adds around him, he still gets a

1392
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: head coaching job. So if he wants a head coaching job,

1393
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: then I don't know what coming to New England to

1394
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator here does not That's a that's

1395
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: a lateral movement. But what if he says, you know what,

1396
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: I've been a head coach. I don't want to be

1397
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: a head coach. I'm okay with being an OC. Why

1398
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: is he leaving Alabama just to be back in the NFL? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1399
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: And maybe he wants to be closer and you might

1400
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: and maybe he has hopes that maybe when Bill leaves,

1401
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: like you like Matt Patricia for example, like you know,

1402
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: like I'm he goes, I'm sick of getting death threats.

1403
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: I was getting death threats. Like maybe he's like, I'm

1404
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: never gonna be a head coach again. I don't want it.

1405
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't want it. You know, we're about shadow shit now.

1406
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: I don't think he can get it off. But you

1407
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: know that's besides the point. Adam Gaze is a name

1408
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: that I would consider. I would definitely, you know, they're

1409
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: playing them this weekend, and I kind of mentioned it

1410
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: quickly earlier, but I'd be really monitoring the situation in Arizona.

1411
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: If Cliff Kingsbury gets fired, I'd have him on a

1412
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: plane tomorrow. But like what about like you know, we

1413
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: talk about the Big twelve, you know, and how they

1414
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 1: don't play defense there, and like there seems to be

1415
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: like some good offensive minds in that conference, you know,

1416
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: like it could be somebody we don't we don't even

1417
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: know about, you know, Yeah, I mean I think the

1418
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: question somebody like that. No, my question is just if

1419
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: he would hire somebody he had that like in a

1420
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: big position like this, that has no experience here. That's

1421
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: my that's my question of you know, the Chatochets of

1422
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 1: the world, the Bill O'Brian's guys that have been here

1423
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: for a long period of time and know how it works.

1424
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: I just if he wasn't willing to go outside the

1425
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: organization and try something different like the Patricia moved to

1426
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: me just signaled a very important thing to him is

1427
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: having somebody that he knows and trusts. Well, that's the

1428
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: thing that why I think if it's not Bill O'Brien,

1429
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Matt Patrician. Yeah, because he does. He

1430
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: does like hiring from within, you know, he likes to

1431
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, all inside, like people who speak

1432
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: the same language. I understand it to a degree. I mean,

1433
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: I think now it's been you've been kind of pillaged,

1434
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: and the pipelines are are a mess across the board

1435
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, who's coaching war. But I

1436
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a couple candidates. I just

1437
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: hope it's somebody. I don't know how you can go

1438
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: back into next season unless they explode in these last

1439
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: five games. I don't know how you Yeah, you're failing now,

1440
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean go back again. Oh we got one more year,

1441
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: run it back in position. Yeah, I think you know. Thanks,

1442
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 1: Not not to disagree with Eldric or anybody that says this,

1443
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: but just because I agree with Paul that there there's

1444
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: definitely a chance that it is Matt Patricia again next year,

1445
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: helping him by building out the rest of the coaching

1446
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: staff around him, getting an actual offensive line coach off

1447
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: his plate and would make it better, and maybe getting

1448
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coach he met. Elder mentioned Adam Gaze, who

1449
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: I think if they made him the offensive coordinator, people

1450
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: would also want to pull their hair out based of

1451
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: how it won in New York and at the end

1452
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: in Miami. But he's at least somebody that's coach quarterbacks before,

1453
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: has a resume doing it in the NFL, has coached

1454
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, has coached some you know, quarterbacks in Miami

1455
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: and New York, and maybe not always successfully, but at

1456
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 1: least he has done it in the past. At this level,

1457
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: you'd be funny as if they hire like Adam Case

1458
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: and uh, he's the offensive assistant. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

1459
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: you know anything, but yeah, yeah, you know, Evan brought

1460
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: up something a little while ago that you know, like

1461
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: Bill gets criticized. Um, and you know about the situation

1462
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: they're in now because people said, well, Josh mcdails, he

1463
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna stay forever, and there was no plan. There

1464
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: was no plan, Mike right, there was no plan. And

1465
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: jet Fishes is a name that you throw out there.

1466
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was quote unquote a plan. Yeah, like,

1467
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: let's bringing this guy. Yeah, let's bring in this guy,

1468
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: make him the quarterbacks coach or haven't worked with the

1469
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: order back at the very least, I don't remember his

1470
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: exact title was. And then maybe you know, two years,

1471
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: three years in the system. If Josh leaves, we have

1472
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: a guy that we feel good about. Stupid Arizona. Yeahlar

1473
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: Melvin's a tennis he'll he'll be back in Hey. I

1474
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: got a cool question really not about the pages, but

1475
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: about just the NFL in general. Why do like teams

1476
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: or quote unquote sources um leak out information that possible

1477
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: was that if they work intern with a team. I'm

1478
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: trying like, for example, like right before the Giants and

1479
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: that when not the Giant Cowboys saying that Odell Beckham pain.

1480
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: Why would they leak out and say something that wrong

1481
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: with us with his medical when he's been to other

1482
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: teams and they didn't really put anything out there. What

1483
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: benefit though the sources get from putting information out there

1484
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: like that nationally? I mean it depends on who the sources.

1485
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: You know, you look get the source and who you know.

1486
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: You look at the information and you say, who benefits

1487
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: from this information? And trying to drum up more interest

1488
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: for the player? I mean it's an agent or you

1489
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: trying to scare off other teams. Yeah, drive down the price. Yeah,

1490
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: there are different ways to look at it. It could

1491
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: be an effort to drive down the price. Uh. It

1492
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: could also be an effort in Dallas. Everything is magnified

1493
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: in Dallas, right, I've heard that. Um, maybe Dallas is saying,

1494
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: don't blame us when we don't sign that, right, Yeah,

1495
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 1: because he's kind of yeah, it's not there, you know.

1496
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: So that's how Dallas could benefit from leaking that information.

1497
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they pulled out all the stops for Odell.

1498
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: They got Luca don Chi coming over to him on

1499
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: the side up. Did you see that MAVs game, Like god,

1500
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: crowd is chanting like the Royals. You know, they got

1501
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and Travan Diggs taking him on the high rollers,

1502
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: you know, suite to the Mavericks game. And then if

1503
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: they don't get him, they say, well, our doctor said

1504
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: was so like the Patriots wouldn't necessarily have to put

1505
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: out pr spin if they talk to somebody and didn't

1506
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: sign him. Dallas kind of does, like Jerry Jones really

1507
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 1: strongly believes in that, you know, because really there's no

1508
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: one there's no way that Dallas should not sign him, right, Jay,

1509
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: it's a native, he's a Native Texan. I believe they

1510
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: are a contender. They have the quarterback in place, they

1511
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: have all the pieces that he wants. He said up

1512
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: multiple times that his dad was a huge Cowboys fan

1513
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: growing up and that's where he wants to be. Ideal

1514
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 1: Kansas City, Buffalo Dallas. Those to me, those are the

1515
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: three that make a lot of sense. He also has

1516
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: been talking with the Giants, I know, and that to

1517
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: me doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that wouldn't make that.

1518
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: That's the other team that's strongly puss not if you're

1519
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: not catching any passes. He wouldn't catch any passes to

1520
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: Buffalo for O B J. No offense. That's in Dallas,

1521
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: in Texas. That's that's now no good. I sometimes get

1522
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: and guilty Melvin of taking the reports at face value.

1523
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes that happens. I know, I always question everything, but

1524
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I take it at face value. I wonder if

1525
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: there's any truth to that and he can't be a

1526
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: part of your offense before say the middle of January,

1527
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: Like they were talking on ESPN yesterday, how much you're

1528
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: gonna pay him if you're gonna sign him. You got

1529
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: to sign them for next year. You know, you can't

1530
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: just sign them to So maybe you could play in

1531
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: the divisional round. Yeah, God, a player like that in

1532
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: that situation, Oh, because you at least Yeah, I mean

1533
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: there's possibility if if things didn't work out and all

1534
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm not getting offers anywhere and you

1535
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: found out it was the team right hip of violations

1536
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: and whatnot. That stuff is very hard to prove. Yeah,

1537
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, it be an uphill battle, but you could

1538
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: somebody might try to cross that line at something. All right,

1539
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: Thanks Melvin, strictly talk Patriots Lars is in Camp Pendleton.

1540
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: What's up, Lars? Hurrah been a while, thank you for

1541
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: your service, or it's not. Hooray Matt's coming to choke

1542
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: you out right now. Yeah, it's been a while. Hey,

1543
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: I think I owe I'm not sorry Elder an apology.

1544
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm was programmed by Paul's show to not

1545
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: appreciate the wide receiver talent enough. But I've always kind

1546
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: of rolled my eyes when Elder's mobbying for uh faster,

1547
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: bigger wide receiver and lasting like decade. But I don't

1548
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: know if it's the Jefferson and Digs back to back

1549
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: and then Hopkins and Adams on the horizon. I guess

1550
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 1: I just like I haven't bought up a pat that

1551
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: I just couldn't call it then, but just that the

1552
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: league has kind of changed with the topping bide receivers,

1553
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: and I just think about the way the papers have

1554
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: gone about trying to acquire talent to that position, and

1555
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: it's either on the scrappet, you know, like clearance rack,

1556
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: or in the draft and it never seems to work.

1557
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about the Colm people who changed

1558
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: hands last year, and so I have to question one

1559
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, you do you get think like that top

1560
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: end wide receiver would be worth say two history of

1561
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: the receiver suite have acquired over the last couple of years,

1562
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: taking like porn Agalore Parker. Um, So are you saying,

1563
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 1: like would you rather have Jamar Chase or born in Agalore? Yeah?

1564
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: Is that the question? Like, I mean, like a top

1565
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: end receiver over is that multiple? Yeah? I mean I

1566
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't even think Fred would say no

1567
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: to that. Fred loves Justin Jefferson. Yeah, right, question. I

1568
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: was going to get other receivers in addition now, but

1569
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like I guess like the Hollywood Brown,

1570
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: A J. Brown, Parker Hill, you know not Parker An Adams,

1571
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: you know the guy who change hands for for high

1572
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 1: Craft Capital and are a sign for big money. And

1573
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: I think like if you add up an Angalore and

1574
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,759
Speaker 1: a Parker, they get pretty close to those top twenty

1575
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: receivers the second they've had the second most money in

1576
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: their money. Yeah. Sorry, I thought top production. Yeah, no,

1577
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: not production like resource allocations. Are you look there? I looked.

1578
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: I did a little show prep. There's three teams that

1579
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: have two top twenty five UH reginable value by receivers,

1580
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 1: and they're all guys you would want any one of them?

1581
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: Uh and lock it in that calf Evans and Godwin

1582
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: and uh, let's see it was oh and Williams an

1583
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: alp on the Chargers. Those those guys are both like

1584
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: twenty million plus a year. So my question would you

1585
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: think one of those like why haven't you traded the

1586
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: first round pick and whatever else back that involved and

1587
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: paid someone twenty five million bucks? And he put a

1588
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: bunch of number three behind that guy. And just with

1589
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: me as career respondent, that took a choir here, I

1590
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, yeah, the only one in that whole list

1591
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: that he d toled off of all those guys that

1592
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: change hands that I wouldn't necessarily be willing to give

1593
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: the twenty plus million in the first round picked for

1594
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: his Hollywood Brown. I mean, all the rest of those

1595
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: guys A J. Brown and you know Digs and Hollywood Brown.

1596
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: Hopkins is already happening, Hopkins on the roster. So they

1597
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: traded for Hollywood Brown to be their number two. And

1598
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm fine, Like, I think Hollywood Brown's fine player. I

1599
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: just don't put him in that he's not a Yeah,

1600
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: he's not one of those elite receivers. He's a good player.

1601
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: I mean they've they've tried the last few years to

1602
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: kill Harry first round pick. I mean it's just they're

1603
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,560
Speaker 1: getting the wrong guys, you know. I think that's what

1604
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: it is. And part of it is the overall philosophy

1605
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: of the league has changed, and you need those guys.

1606
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: But I still think death is important. I mean, Jamar

1607
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: Chase T. Higgins. I mean, you know, like you need,

1608
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: you need good by probably have the best wide receiver

1609
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: corps in football. And it also gets easier maybe miamis, yeah,

1610
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: but it also gets easier on those guys when you

1611
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: have that top guy and all the attentions going to them,

1612
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: and now they're getting matchups and you know so I

1613
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: mean would Agalore or Bourne or Myers or any the

1614
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: guys that they have in the roster now look better

1615
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: with of course, and so they just have to continue

1616
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: to invest in that resource. And I mean the offensive

1617
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: line is certainly a priority this offseason. I would say

1618
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: linebacker is certainly a priority, and I would just say

1619
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver continues to be a priority. You're gonna have

1620
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: major turnover there. I have no problem investing multiple draft

1621
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: picks in that I'm terrified a free agency though, but

1622
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: I think twenty twenty one did me wrong. And you know,

1623
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: because I don't think there's been I mean, there's been

1624
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: a lot of high impact trades, but I'm not sure

1625
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: that it's been the wide receivers. I think you're looking

1626
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: for guys like the Patriots, God like Corey Davis, good player,

1627
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that was a good move

1628
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: for the Jets because it gave them a veteran to

1629
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: go with their young guys. Yeah, you know, and if

1630
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: they could get a quarterback, and you know, I'm not

1631
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: necessarily sold on Mike f and White yet Garrett Wilson is,

1632
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: but you know, you get Garrett Wilson, Elijah with a

1633
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: with a veteran, and Corey Davis that can work. But

1634
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: most of those got like Kenny Galladay, he's been well,

1635
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: that's why for that giant. So we're talking about this

1636
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: earlier too, pre agency guys that are going to be

1637
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 1: free agents in twenty twenty four, right, because a lot

1638
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: of these right so that those are the guys that

1639
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: get disgruntled because their negotiations for their new contracts aren't

1640
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: going well. And eventually they ask out right. So a

1641
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: couple of those guys are like te Higgins is going

1642
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: to be a twenty twenty four free agent or scheduled

1643
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: to Jerry Judy is scheduled to be a twenty twenty

1644
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: four free agent. So I don't know if those names

1645
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: necessarily are in the A. J. Brown category, but I

1646
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 1: think the point of has the lead changed? Yeah? Absolutely,

1647
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean you pull up the thinks no, And this

1648
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: is I think a big problem about what's going on

1649
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: right now with this team. You pull up the AFC

1650
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: standings right now. I'll just run through them quickly. Buffalo,

1651
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: Stefon Digs, Kansas City, Travis Kelsey, Baltimore, Mark Andrews, Tennessee

1652
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: somehow does it right? But they had AJ Brown and

1653
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: then they traded away, and then their gym gets fired

1654
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: because he traded AJ Brown, Cincinnati, Jamar Chase, Miami, Tyree

1655
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: kill Jalen Waddle and how the Jets who have Garrett Wilson,

1656
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: who is a problem. So every single one of these

1657
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: teams you can point to it. I think with Tennessee

1658
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: you point to the running back and you can say

1659
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: they have a stud weapon, they have a superstar weapon

1660
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: that on Tuesdays when you get into your game plan meetings,

1661
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: you have to decide how are we going to defend

1662
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: this guy? Right? And I was doing some early Raiders Preppers,

1663
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: reading some of their writers, and they have seen a

1664
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: lot of their run game success. They're third in the

1665
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: league right now, an EPA on the ground and I

1666
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: was looking into why that is that's been and stuff

1667
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: like that. And they've seen more too high safety shells

1668
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: than any team in the league because Davante Adams demands

1669
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: the safety attention. So now all of a sudden they

1670
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: have lighter boxes and now Josh Jacob's got all sorts

1671
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: of room to run great, So it's great. These are

1672
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: the chess matches that it's not just about the production,

1673
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: is my point. It's also about what it does, what

1674
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 1: it allows you to do and right, you know, and

1675
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: something you said I think yesterday, if not it was

1676
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 1: last week, that really resonates too. Like That's why I asked,

1677
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: do you think build thinks that it's changed? And a

1678
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: lot of people do. Remember on the draft shows when

1679
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: they made the aj Brown trade, and you know, we

1680
01:23:58,200 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: were all like, you know, what, you think the Patriots

1681
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: would ever make it trade? Like that and we all

1682
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: said no, And I think that they would be the opposite.

1683
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know if you said it yesterday,

1684
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: but like the Titans move that was so Patriots, Yeah,

1685
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: and never made that point about John Robinson taking a

1686
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: page right out of the Patriots playbook. So like to

1687
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: you a point, Mike, keep trying in the draft, keep

1688
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 1: trying in the draft so they can trade him after

1689
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: the third year when he got When the guy wants

1690
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: to get paid, like Deebo Samuel wanted to get paid,

1691
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: they paid him. Terry McLaurin wanted to get paid, they

1692
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: paid him, you know, a J. Brown. They ended up

1693
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: moving him. But like, I'm not sure that I think

1694
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots would be in we're going to move him,

1695
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: yeah camp, rather than you know they would they would

1696
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: just sit there and say, well, who do we have

1697
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: on our list? Now? I think that Treylon Burke's kid.

1698
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: I think he can play. Yeah, I think I think

1699
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 1: they may have made the best of a bad situation.

1700
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: You know. Unfortunately he's been banged up a little bit

1701
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: and seeing an out of the lineup. But I've seen, yeah,

1702
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: I've seen something. I've seen some flashes though. Yeah, I

1703
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 1: liked him, and I just sa, I mean, is it

1704
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: fair to Mac Jones? Will we ever get a true

1705
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: sense of who Mac Jones is if he doesn't get

1706
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: a chance to play with a guy like that? You know,

1707
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's just asking a lot. It's asking

1708
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: a lot for him to to elevate a team. You know.

1709
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 1: I wonder if Bill still thinks if I could get

1710
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 1: someone this show told me they didn't have any concerns

1711
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: about the offense. I just but it does go back

1712
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 1: to Fred's thing, because when when the Cardinals and the

1713
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: and uh and Vance Joseph, who's having the time of

1714
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 1: his life when he uh, when they when they get

1715
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: in on on Monday and they start to turn the

1716
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: page to New England and they look at New England's offense.

1717
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: Who on the Patriot's offense? Are you circling like we

1718
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: gotta take this guy out? That's exactly what we want.

1719
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: They have no idea. And that's the argument. They got

1720
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: this depth and they can spread it around and you

1721
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: know you don't take But the problem is is that

1722
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: the one guy that maybe you in the passing game

1723
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: is like Jacoby, because that's just who they target a lot, right,

1724
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: so the Jacoby's the guy that you need to take out.

1725
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: But if you have a good, good enough corner, you

1726
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: don't necessarily to help to Jacoby, right, Like you know,

1727
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy's a solid cover guy and he's not going

1728
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: getting yet. Right, So it's the same thing as last year.

1729
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: You know, they put an extra guy in the box.

1730
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: Now you can't run the football because you're running into

1731
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: seven and eight man boxes all the time. You have

1732
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: nobody on the outside that gives anybody any fear. And

1733
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: you just look at how all these teams that have

1734
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 1: these number one guys, just how defenses have to change

1735
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: their entire game plan, like we're talking about DeAndre Hopkins,

1736
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: Like you just have to change the entire game plan,

1737
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: your entire strategy to cover that guy, and it opens

1738
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 1: up things elsewhere. And that's why the Raiders have had

1739
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: so much success running the football. Do you think that

1740
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: they believe that Tykwon Thornton could be a number one

1741
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: think that was part of it is that they think

1742
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: that a role in the whole offense, right, Like, oh,

1743
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: he's you know, our take the top off the defense guy,

1744
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: and Jacoby is our you know, high volume targets. You know,

1745
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: intermediate guy, and that's not that's not game breaking, Like,

1746
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: that's not don't want that guy. Yeah, they'd rather have

1747
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: this situation where and they're all pieces of the pub

1748
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: And how many more of these kind of seasons do

1749
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: you need before you I just think you need to

1750
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: be so elite at quarterback to do it that way,

1751
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: to like to you guys point like you always say,

1752
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: like what would mac Jones be if he had that? Like, well, yeah,

1753
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: I think most quarterbacks are like that, like they need

1754
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 1: to have other guys help elevate their game as opposed

1755
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: to Brady elevating everybody around him. Yeah, I mean, you know,

1756
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: in that way, at least in theory. I mean I

1757
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: can see, like, you know why you would say, well,

1758
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get a one A, but if

1759
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: we had three or four really good bees, we could

1760
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: probably make it work with a good quarterback. Yeah, I

1761
01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: get it. It makes sense. Like I said, I don't

1762
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: think that the Patriots wide receivers stink. I just think

1763
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of complimentary pieces, and I think

1764
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: it's hard to do it just that way. Like if

1765
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: you if this group would look a lot better, not

1766
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, breaking any news and I think with a

1767
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: stud to put everybody down a pair. And I think

1768
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: has Evan read off those things? I mean tight ends too.

1769
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: It's not just like that game breaking wide receiver that

1770
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it can be a I'm just

1771
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: thinking about the Cardinals a little bit. I know we'll

1772
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: talk about them more probably tomorrow, but like you're talking

1773
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: about the defensive coaches and how they're gonna look at

1774
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: the Patriots, I wonder if, like does Clip Kingsbury look

1775
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 1: and say, Justin Jefferson, Stefan Diggs, I got one of those.

1776
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah I can. I can move the ball and score

1777
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: points in this game. Yeah, you know, like just look

1778
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: at the last couple of weeks and they weren't able

1779
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: to take away the number one. Why would you think

1780
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna completely eliminate Hopkins. I just think two in

1781
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 1: Miami is such a great example of all of this

1782
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: because Tah is not a physical marvel, right, Like he's

1783
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: he's not Josh Allen, He's not Justin Herbert. But what

1784
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: TA is good at or all these like secondary passer

1785
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 1: traits like anticipation, accuracy. You know, I am manipulation, coverage, manipulation,

1786
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: and I think that the guy here is good at

1787
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: those things too. But in order to have an offense

1788
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: that is predicated on those things, it has to be

1789
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: built a certain way, and Miami built it perfectly for

1790
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: to a great play caller. Tyree killed Jalen Waddle and

1791
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: so he's it amplified all those traits of his and

1792
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't ask him to playmake outside the pocket or

1793
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: throw sixty yard bombs all the time to create big plays,

1794
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: and it allows him to do things that he's good

1795
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 1: at and amplify those things. And I think on Thursday

1796
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: night when Mac threw that interception that was an interception

1797
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: but they got the call from Jordan Poyer, that was

1798
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: a perfect example of the play broke down. It was

1799
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: a second reaction or extended play. And Hunter Henry does

1800
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: flash open down field for half a beat, but he

1801
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: just doesn't have the arm and the physical tools to

1802
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: throw across his body on the move and beat the

1803
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: safety there with a good throw and it gets intercepted.

1804
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: So in order to amplify things that Mac Jones is

1805
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 1: good at, you have to go with the model like Miami,

1806
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: and you have to make those secondary passer traits amplified

1807
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: by having good playmakers around him. Brendan asked a simple

1808
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: question at web radio at Patriots dot Com. He says,

1809
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: what would the Patriots record be this year if the

1810
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: team had prime Drew Bledsoe? Will you laugh? I would

1811
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: actually thinking, I think they'd be better. Of course they

1812
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: would be yeah, oh yeah, Drew would hang in there.

1813
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: He'd be firing balls down the field. Teon Thorne, probably

1814
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: have like four or five already. Yeah, like he would

1815
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: make that pass you were just talking about, because he's

1816
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: got the arms. They'd be better, There's no question about it. Now,

1817
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they'd be a threat because he would

1818
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 1: throw too many picks. Well he's not. So then I was,

1819
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 1: I was thinking of that last thing, and then I

1820
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: was thinking, Paul, Paul, if you as if you had

1821
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: to choose, if you had to choose between in the

1822
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: Patriots Hall of Fame Bledsoe or Richard Seymour, who who

1823
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: would get in? Only one can get in Seymour? What

1824
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: I would say, Seymour, that's an argument for Drew Bledsoe. See,

1825
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I would say, bled Did I miss it wrong? No,

1826
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm I think making fun of me. No, I'm asking

1827
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: is there an argument for Drew Bledsoe. I think in

1828
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: terms in terms of like importance to the franchise and

1829
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff. To see you you put far more.

1830
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing about being a Hall of

1831
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Fame voter, which Fred and I are. Um, it's you

1832
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: you can have. And Fred is very much um you know,

1833
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 1: fabric of the of the the organization, like his impact

1834
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: on the team, and you know that kind of stuff.

1835
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: And I mean you can make it the best player.

1836
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: You can make an argument that that Drew Bledsoe is

1837
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 1: every bit as important as any player you know beyond

1838
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: Tom Brady who's ever played for the team. You could

1839
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: make that arch also argument. But the coin in two

1840
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: thousand and one without Richard Seymour. So no, no, no,

1841
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: I don't know my answer. I don't know how you answer.

1842
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm the biggest bred so Bledsoe honk that you could

1843
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: find a sitting in the other room. But I just

1844
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: go I just go by talents, like I just think

1845
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: Seymour was a better player. Fred goes by more than

1846
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: just talent. And I think Fred makes a good argue.

1847
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 1: It resonates for me as a kid in the nineties

1848
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: who can specifically remember the day that Drew Bledsoe came,

1849
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: became a part of that day. I became a season

1850
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: tended holder, you know, like it was hope, we finally

1851
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: had one of those guys like that. That's the day

1852
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: I jumped on board for us. For some of the

1853
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: you know generations just behind mine, it's two thousand and one.

1854
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: That's you know, they that is what got their intention locally.

1855
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: But you don't find the tay Law theory that they

1856
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: would have won the Super Bowl on a one but

1857
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: without Richard Withdrew babe. Just but the reason why they

1858
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl No. One was because of Richard

1859
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Seymour than like, you know, well the game, you're talking

1860
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: about the game itself, I'm talking about the season to

1861
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 1: get there. I don't think they would have gotten to

1862
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the super Bowl if Drew coach quarterback the whole way.

1863
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: I just don't. I just don't know. I don't know.

1864
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: I think they would have been Okay, I don't think

1865
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: they would have been a trend to the franchise. How

1866
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: is anything more important than two thousand and one like that,

1867
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 1: that's that's the pinnacle, Like two thousand and one is

1868
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 1: what got the whole thing started. Yeah, before that, they

1869
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 1: were they were. We know what they were, so it

1870
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. I think we're gonna get nineties. We're gonna

1871
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: get nineties defensive right now. No, but they weren't bad.

1872
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's it was I kind of

1873
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 1: I usually hesitate, and I balked at like they wouldn't

1874
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: have you know, like I used to hear people that, like,

1875
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, uh, they wouldn't have gotten to the super

1876
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: Bowl and ninety six without Terry Glenn. Like, I mean,

1877
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Terry Glenn had a phenomenal rookie season. How do I

1878
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: know they wouldn't have gotten a super Bowl? I don't know.

1879
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: Maybe someone else would have caught ninety passes. It's funny

1880
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: because when you get to the playoffs, like how many

1881
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: touchdowns that they actually get in the playoffs in two

1882
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: thousand and one, I mean, Drew through one of them,

1883
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Brady through one or two others. I mean there were

1884
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: maybe two. Brady scored one. I'm pretty sure they had

1885
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: the same amount of touchdown passes in the playoffs. And

1886
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 1: but the touchdown of David Patton and the Super Bowl

1887
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: is an awesome throw. So it was the touchdown play.

1888
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: It was the same play that Drew through the exact

1889
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: same play. Well they turned it up before. Yeah, there's

1890
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 1: actually a great clip. I lost control of my bodily

1891
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: functions on this on that on that four play stretch.

1892
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl Skills Challenge they like, used to interview

1893
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, and the quarterbacks used to break down their

1894
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: favorite play in their offense. And yeah, I have it

1895
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: to clip somewhere um of Brady breaking down the play

1896
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: that he threw the touchdown to David Patton too. Yeah, yeah,

1897
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 1: that's right, fing forge banana fifty. So it is so

1898
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: the little motion that he goes in they do call

1899
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: it a fing motioning. I don't know if they call

1900
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: it fing motion anymore, because who the heck knows what

1901
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: they call anything now, But that's that's what it was.

1902
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: This guy goed that way. Brian and I did a

1903
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 1: thing when we still had the paper. I I bet

1904
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: you Bryan could rattle it off like verbatim zero slot

1905
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: right three thirty five max based throwback chip flare. Yeah,

1906
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: that's of course, but that's of course. Uh L from

1907
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Wisconsin says, too long of a break between the game

1908
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: and the shows was a rough weekend anyway. I have

1909
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: a few things that like the thoughts on won the

1910
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the Vikings game was

1911
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 1: just embarrassing the Bills game. I think the Bills game.

1912
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: The Bills game. Kicking the field goal at the end

1913
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 1: of the Bills game. I'm gonna say, make guess. So

1914
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: someone said, who is Mack to question the coaches? He

1915
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: hasn't earned it. Now. I'm not a Mac guy by

1916
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,480
Speaker 1: any means, but he does have a year more experience

1917
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 1: in an NFL offense than the coordinator. Fair point, who

1918
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 1: is he? Bill said at the start of the season

1919
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: that he should be held accountable. I think he can

1920
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: say that because he knows he won't be You can

1921
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 1: question all you want, but if there is zero threat

1922
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: to his job, then it doesn't matter. You've all said it.

1923
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to worry about losing his job. In

1924
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: that case, he can do whatever he wants and will

1925
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 1: not be held accountable. The media asking questions isn't the

1926
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 1: same Agree with that part. And I actually heard someone

1927
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: say something along those lines this morning that it's easy

1928
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: for Bill to say, you put it on me because

1929
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: he knows he's not gonna get fired. He's got six

1930
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 1: Super bowls. He's not going anywhere you don't care. I

1931
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: think I think it was Tom Curran's podcast. I was

1932
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,680
Speaker 1: listening to a little of this morning. I think it

1933
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: came up with him in Florio, your boy Florio, not

1934
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: to defend my fellow media down here, but ask questioning

1935
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: Bill about like I get that a little bit of people.

1936
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: I think the questions are there, Yeah, people being like,

1937
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: why doesn't the media, like you know, come after Bill

1938
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: about this whole thing? And it's like other than like,

1939
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, fans and media getting off on the fact

1940
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: that they challenge Bill, you know, at the press conference.

1941
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 1: None of us make decisions around here, like it doesn't

1942
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: actually make a difference whether or not we And that's

1943
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: why I think the email is right. It's that doesn't count, right.

1944
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 1: But I do think that we talked again before you

1945
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: came on EV about the the back and forth with

1946
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: Phil Perry and Bill yesterday, and you and I were

1947
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: sitting there, and you know, I didn't think it was confrontational.

1948
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was just a very professional back and

1949
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: forth and he's asking Phil's asking him more or less

1950
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: why is it like this and why is it too late?

1951
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: And why you know, what is the differences between as

1952
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 1: his example, going in a different direction down the stretch

1953
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: of eighteen to now, and I thought it was good

1954
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: back and forth. I didn't. I didn't necessarily think it

1955
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 1: was like whoa, he really held his feet to the fire. No,

1956
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: it's just good football questions. And I think that you've

1957
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: gotten now. They've won everything for twenty plus years. So

1958
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,800
Speaker 1: as much as I make fun of the media, I'm

1959
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: really only kind of doing it half in jest. This

1960
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 1: is one of the rare times where there's reasons every

1961
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: week to go in there and ask him tough questions,

1962
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: I think, and I think they have. I think they have,

1963
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: but but but the emails point is right. The only

1964
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,679
Speaker 1: person that can really hold him accountable is Robert Craft.

1965
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 1: Sure you know, um Chris with a tia and and

1966
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: writes in not really. Tom E. Curran said definitively on

1967
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: his podcast that BILLYO was not coming back here to

1968
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 1: be what he was in twenty eleven, just an offensive coordinator.

1969
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: It would require a guarantee that he would have a

1970
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: shot to replace Belichick, the same guarantee that Josh was

1971
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 1: looking for before he left Vegas. I don't know if

1972
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 1: either of those are true. It's it's interesting, though because

1973
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 1: walk me through this. You guys are smarter than me,

1974
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: right sometimes about that. So Robert Craft goes to Billy

1975
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: O'Brien and he says, you will have every opportunity to

1976
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: replace Bill Belichick, even when the day comes that Bill

1977
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: hangs him up. This is a good situation. This is

1978
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: what you want. So Bill comes in and he's the

1979
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 1: offensive Billy O'Brien comes in, he's the offensive coordinator, and

1980
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: he's has this in his mind like you're only hit

1981
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: for another couple or what am I going to listen

1982
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,560
Speaker 1: to you? Fun? I'm gonna set these things up the

1983
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 1: way I want him because you're gonna be gone soon.

1984
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Owner told me that's that's something that makes sense to people. No, again,

1985
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: you guys are smarter than me. Tell me how that works.

1986
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: It doesn't I mean, does it? And does that come

1987
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: from Robert like I mean like to say, negotiate that

1988
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing, because I mean, I guess I kind

1989
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: of feel like it would be Bill hiring coaches, right

1990
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: and reaching out to coaches and discussing what the setup

1991
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: would be. And you know, if anyone were to get

1992
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: one of those weird what are the like assistant head

1993
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: coaches Sometimes like your random guys associate head coach on

1994
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 1: the side, Like, what does that mean? I don't even

1995
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell in New Orleans before you got the Dante

1996
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 1: was just like a reliable guy who if things go south,

1997
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: you can, you know, have them fill in. Yeah, And

1998
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's impossible that not yet. I also,

1999
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I heard them talking about this on the

2000
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: radio yesterday. I think it's it's actually reasonable one of

2001
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: your shows, one of my shows. Um, if if Bill

2002
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: O'Brien's gonna wait around for Bill Belichick to call him,

2003
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: he could be waiting for a long time, like Robert

2004
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: might have to make the call. Like, I just, I

2005
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: just I don't get the I get the reason why

2006
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 1: everybody wants Bill O'Brien here. I still am trying to

2007
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: figure out why Bill O'Brien would want to be here.

2008
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: That's the piece of it that I can't wrap my

2009
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 1: head around. Because on top of what Paul is saying,

2010
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: I would also say that one of the things with

2011
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: Belichick is that he surrounds himself by people that oha

2012
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: gret that gratitude to him, right, like, you know, people

2013
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 1: that he can that he has a clear hierarchy of

2014
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: control over and everything that you hear about what happened

2015
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 1: in Houston was that Bill O'Brien wasn't taken anything from

2016
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 1: anybody down in Houston, And I just I look at

2017
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 1: that situation and I think for Bill O'Brien and for

2018
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick, that is asking for those two guys

2019
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: to butt heads, right, Like when they get into the

2020
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 1: point when they get into the draft room in April

2021
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: and and they're they're up on the in the first

2022
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: round and U and Billy O'Brien says to Bill, you

2023
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: know this Addison kid from USC wide receiver can really play,

2024
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Like I think this kid's going to be a great

2025
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:52,439
Speaker 1: player in the league. And then and then Bill and

2026
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: takes a nose tackle from you know, Kent State, Like

2027
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: these are the these are the types of things that

2028
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: are going to I don't think Bill O'Brien's gonna take that, like, right,

2029
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, Bill O'Brien's not that kind of guy. What

2030
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: did Brady used to call him teapot? Right? Yep? So

2031
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:10,560
Speaker 1: he was it was accurate too, right, So that's not

2032
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna go over Well. There's also just an element of

2033
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 1: this that, like you had Josh here for X amount

2034
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: of years, then billy O came, Then you got Josh back.

2035
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Now we want to bring billy O back. It's like,

2036
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: at some point, can we just break the cycle and

2037
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: start to find something new and maybe build something that

2038
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: doesn't like have to connect to somebody who was here.

2039
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: Davan's point about what billy O wants um, is it

2040
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: out of the roma possibility that he gets a head

2041
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: coach offer? No, no, I saw bids. You know, Bernard

2042
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: has been kind of tweeting about this. He's he thinks back.

2043
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 1: He said, like you know, he was putting out there

2044
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: like you know, the Purdue job I guess just opened up.

2045
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: But you know, would he be intrigued by a head coach,

2046
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: by that kind of head coach rom which one which

2047
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: which brom coach Brown which just called him coach coach

2048
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 1: called good job. He's got tremendous potential. He sorry upside

2049
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 1: he has upside um. But what if he what if

2050
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers want to hire Bill ob or Arizona

2051
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 1: or you know whatever. And I don't know, Like I

2052
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 1: looked at his resume from AFAR. I think this flaws

2053
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 1: with everybody. Okay, but he took over what I think

2054
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: is probably the worst possible situation you could ever take

2055
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: over at Penn State, and he made Christian Hackenberg look

2056
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: like a legitimate prospect, right, Yeah, no, but I mean

2057
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't the fluke. He played great that

2058
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: first year, and I didn't play as good in the

2059
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 1: second year, but he looked really good. Then he goes

2060
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 1: to Houston and look what's happened in Houston since. And

2061
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't just because of Deshaun Watson. You could say, well,

2062
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 1: he had Deshaun Watson. He was great, that they went

2063
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, that they won a playoff game with

2064
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: like t J. Yates, like they had. He built a

2065
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: good team. Now to Evans point about like the power,

2066
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,720
Speaker 1: I think the power was a problem. I think there

2067
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: was all kinds of things going on with what's the

2068
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 1: guy that Rick Smith was that back then the GM.

2069
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: He kind of pushed him out, took over control, made

2070
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: some bad was then you know, little Finger gets in. Yeah,

2071
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, though, Pau because it was

2072
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: but a job in Houston was pretty good, I know,

2073
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: and he's always been. I'm so glad you said that

2074
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: because I was just thinking that a few minutes ago

2075
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: when we were talking about him, and I'm like, there's

2076
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: this impression that things were a disaster for Billing and

2077
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 1: what a joke he was. And I'm like, what am

2078
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: I misremembering, because it seems like he drafted a lot

2079
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 1: of you know, DeAndre Hopkins, this talented guys, JJ Watt,

2080
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: talented guys. They were always kind of in the playoffs.

2081
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: They were in the playoffs. They were never a threat

2082
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:27,679
Speaker 1: to go to the super Bowl, but they were always

2083
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: a threat to beat you. Always. They were a little like,

2084
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, they were a high to me, a higher

2085
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 1: end version of what Tennessee has been the last few years. Yeah, Like,

2086
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 1: I think they've been very dangerous, but probably not a

2087
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: super Bowl team like Arian Foster. Yeah, I think he

2088
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 1: was a good coach now and my biased absolutely really

2089
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: liked the guy. Had a lot of good conversations with him,

2090
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,560
Speaker 1: loved running into him at the combined the year that

2091
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 1: he made fun of me and Andy for finding ways

2092
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: to be negative was one of my favorite moments ever.

2093
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, my my wife, every my whole

2094
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 1: family is still back doing that. I see these things

2095
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: of you, like, I don't know how you do it. Man,

2096
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,679
Speaker 1: we win to Super Bowl every year, and you find

2097
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: a way. And I said to him, I explained to

2098
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 1: my goal, you have to understand where it starts from.

2099
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: These are all issues quote unquote that may or may

2100
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 1: not allow us to host the AFC Championship games, right Like,

2101
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: That's where I'm coming at with my criticism. Not like

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01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: these guys don't know what they're doing. I don't know

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01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 1: how they're even gonna win a game. It's how are

2104
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: we going to host the AFC Championship games so we

2105
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: can win another Super Bowl? And he's like, I guess

2106
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 1: I could see that. I'm checking out now, coordinated the

2107
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 1: but he he has rabbit ears. Oh he has rabbit ears,

2108
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: absolutely and in a temper right Like, it seems like

2109
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: that's a tough combination. That argument walking with with Brady

2110
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: on the sideline in Washington was legend. Yeah, that's the

2111
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: high top fade Shutter is in Manchester, UK. Whoever you

2112
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: think is the best OC and DC the Patriots have

2113
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:00,120
Speaker 1: had over the last twenty two years. Cornell, Josh, if

2114
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 1: you plug them into with this roster, how different do

2115
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:08,439
Speaker 1: you think the record would be? It's impossible? Yeah, Like

2116
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 1: that's impossible. I don't know the best Well, all I

2117
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: know is that last year they were ten and seven

2118
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 1: in the top ten offense with Josh McDaniels as the

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01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators. I know if you count Josh as the

2120
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 1: best one, I don't know if you want to give

2121
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: that to Charlie Weiss or Bill O'Brien, But I know

2122
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: what the product was last year with the better offensive coordinator. Yeah,

2123
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:29,400
Speaker 1: and I would definitely say Romeo Cornell, But I just like,

2124
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 1: how do you know what the impact would be on

2125
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 1: the same player as playing with a different coordinator? Right?

2126
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 1: I wrote it at the beginning of the season that

2127
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: Bill is the reason I had hoped this team would

2128
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, but his roster and coaching structure is

2129
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,799
Speaker 1: why I feared this team would be failing. This coaching

2130
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: structure has failed. The sooner it's fixed, the better, But

2131
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: it has to be done with the right pieces, not

2132
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: just the available pencil twiddlers. I have similar fears for

2133
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 1: the short and long term future of this roster. There

2134
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: is the odd bright spark, but little backbone. Yeah. I

2135
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:03,759
Speaker 1: just I think for the optics of it all, depending

2136
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:05,879
Speaker 1: on how the season ends, I'm not expecting any dramatic

2137
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 1: change in like what they do in these last five

2138
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: games to redefine what we think about the team overall.

2139
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: But I just think they for the optics of it.

2140
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: You have to do something on offense because people are

2141
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: going to have the pitchforks out and interest is going

2142
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: to be waning, and a way to get people back

2143
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 1: in is to invest in the offense and bring it,

2144
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:25,559
Speaker 1: bring an established kind of guy in that we can,

2145
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Trumpet a little bit. It's hard for

2146
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: me to see them bringing back Mattie p and it

2147
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,200
Speaker 1: going well in any in any sense of the word.

2148
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 1: Jack and and arbaces John Jeff Braun took the head

2149
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 1: coaching job at Louisvilleville. Did I say Jeff first? Brian?

2150
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,639
Speaker 1: Probably Jeff. I don't know that that makes more sense

2151
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't. I thought he did a decent job

2152
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:51,439
Speaker 1: at Purdue. They're not overly talented Purdue, and they find

2153
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 1: a way to win seven eight games every year. Williams

2154
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and Philam, what's up, Willie? That's going on? Spring? How

2155
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: are you doing good? Okay? Um? Oh yeah, I heard

2156
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 1: you're a little smart. Common yesterday, Fred and Mike Sometimes

2157
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 1: the old the cops Uh, hope, thank the cops getting

2158
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:12,040
Speaker 1: after the Will. That's what he gets. What never keep?

2159
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 1: Look how you throwing up against When I got the podcast,

2160
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: what y'all? I do continue listening. So I'm like, okay,

2161
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm listening to God was for y'all. I don't never

2162
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: say anything bad Will. Yeah, I know you don't. I

2163
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: know you know what you want to go The fred

2164
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: don't care France is literally rid. My question is, um,

2165
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:40,799
Speaker 1: I guess y'all were touching on the receivers and whatnot.

2166
01:47:41,800 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have you seen Bill at

2167
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,240
Speaker 1: the podium talking about Justin Jefferson. Oh he's a problem, Uh,

2168
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: DeAndre Howkins, Stefan Diggs, they all problems and whatnot. I mean,

2169
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: these are all receivers you could have had. I'm at

2170
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: least one of them, you know, one out of the

2171
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: group of basics. But you didn't. You didn't you didn't

2172
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: want to go get You just refuse to get them

2173
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: for whatever stubborn reason. And the thing about it is,

2174
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: it's not your money. At the end of the day,

2175
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 1: that kept my angel. So what you're worried about, it's

2176
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: about cap all. Go get the go, get the go,

2177
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: Get the talent yet so we could see what Mett

2178
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 1: can do. You know what I mean, if it has

2179
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 1: to be perfect, so be it, make it perfect in

2180
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,560
Speaker 1: it's almost like he doesn't want to deal with that

2181
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 1: strong personality in the locker room, you know that that

2182
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 1: the diva, the guy that you know just won't listen

2183
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: to me. You know. I think it's cap allocation, though,

2184
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: I think I think it really is. I think that

2185
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: they don't want to have one guy that's taken up

2186
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars of the cap. They'd rather have three

2187
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: guys that take up thirty million dollars of the cape.

2188
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 1: That's that's just their mindset on it. Okay, but look

2189
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 1: at Okay, I'm still but look at look at thirty

2190
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 1: million does before you don't Oh, I'm not disagreeing with

2191
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 1: you at all. I think I think everyone's just trying

2192
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: to give you what he thinks. Bill's philosophy. They would

2193
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: they want to in their mind, they've always thought of it.

2194
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 1: Roster building is building one through fifty three, right, Like,

2195
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,439
Speaker 1: it's not just building the top ten, right. And I

2196
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:10,560
Speaker 1: think you hear a lot of the time, oh like

2197
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't mad and this isn't fantasy football

2198
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, because because they don't want to build a

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01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 1: roster that is top heavy, they want to build a

2200
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:23,639
Speaker 1: depth roster with good depth and stuff like that. Over

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01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: the years, you know, uh, they've had more players on

2202
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 1: their roster making more than a million dollars and like

2203
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 1: any other team in the league, because they really the

2204
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 1: middle of the pack, right, They're they're like middle depth.

2205
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: They take that really seriously. They want to have good, solid,

2206
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: strong middle class middle class. Thank you. That's what I'm

2207
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 1: looking for. Okay, one more thing and that's it, and

2208
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: I have to I got to be very honest, all

2209
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: just a side. And I'm gonna say this for the record,

2210
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 1: If if if the Patriots look like this next season,

2211
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,560
Speaker 1: if Matt Patricia's dear if draft looks horrible in that

2212
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: off season, I mean for you to scy looks just grazy.

2213
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm sorry. I'm in a Patriots fan for

2214
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: a long time. I love y'all to death. I'm gonna

2215
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 1: continue listen to y'all stuff, but I can't. I can't

2216
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:20,400
Speaker 1: many where you gonna gona. You could take the Eagles,

2217
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 1: You're in Philly. I like the point though, I thought

2218
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: the same thing yesterday. I just saw the quote about Hopkins,

2219
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just as good as any player,

2220
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: and I thought the same thing he thought. I'm like, man,

2221
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,120
Speaker 1: you get up there and you're hear him praising these guys,

2222
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 1: and like, when don't you like to coach some of them? Like,

2223
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean, what was it like when you had Randy Moss?

2224
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: Wasn't that was not pretty fun? Like I can't imagine

2225
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: it's not appealing to him on some level. And I

2226
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: thought he's been a He probably thinks though that, Okay, Yeah,

2227
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 1: we had Randy Moss and we had to spend a

2228
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 1: lot of time keeping him in line, and that's just that.

2229
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: That excuse, though, is that's an excuse. I know, but

2230
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. That's just I do think it

2231
01:50:57,800 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: took a lot of time, and I think it was

2232
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: worth it. Yeah, Yeah, it was it worth it for

2233
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:07,639
Speaker 1: at least a year. Yeah. James Pettigrew, the most interesting

2234
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 1: Patriots fan of the World, writes in whenever I see

2235
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones make a play on offense or special teams,

2236
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: I can't help thinking, Man, the third and fifth round

2237
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 1: picks we're gonna get for trading him are gonna turn

2238
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:22,880
Speaker 1: into really sucky players down the line. Ouch. Yeah, I

2239
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: actually don't think that, to be honest, I think he's

2240
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna be here for the long run. I think I'll

2241
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 1: be here for a little while. Yeah, what did I miss?

2242
01:51:29,120 --> 01:51:32,400
Speaker 1: I asked? I asked Bill about him today, and you know,

2243
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 1: just about how do you kind of divvy up his

2244
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: snaps right between offense, defense and special teams? And uh,

2245
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, how do you kind of go about doing that?

2246
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 1: And he mentioned Troy Brown Julian Edelman. I think they

2247
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,799
Speaker 1: view Marcus at least so far. We'll see if it sticks,

2248
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: but at least so far, I think they view him

2249
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: in that, in that mold of you know, somebody that

2250
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 1: can really contribute in all three phases, and I for

2251
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 1: that reason, he will stay here, right, and he'll never

2252
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 1: have value at one thing. Look at my big brain, however,

2253
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 1: necessarily write with Fred's point, I think his value might

2254
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:11,240
Speaker 1: never be centralized. And also I think that those are

2255
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 1: the types of guys that they see value in paying

2256
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 1: because they look at it and say, this guy contributes

2257
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: and every possible same thing. You're a sneaky bad guy. Uh.

2258
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 1: David and Beth David and Beth to a Bantican to

2259
01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 1: Uh David and Bethleheim. Uh, for you stats guys, for

2260
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 1: you stats guys. How much time has Mac actually had?

2261
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: How does that time compare to other teams? How do

2262
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,960
Speaker 1: his pressure stats compare to other teams? Please rate the

2263
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: old line, show you work, no peaking, awesome, This is

2264
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 1: gonna be great, Chevin, what do you got? What do

2265
01:52:56,439 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: you got? All right? So pressure stats are skewed on

2266
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 1: this because it all depends on how you know quarterback

2267
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: and control pressure stats to a degree too, right, like

2268
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 1: quick release, So if you get the ball out, you know,

2269
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 1: Tom Brady gets the ball out and two point two seconds,

2270
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 1: so his pressure rate is not very good. But then

2271
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 1: if you look at their offensive line has actually not

2272
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 1: been very good this year, just on a per play,

2273
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, per player basis. So is that the quarterback

2274
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 1: is at the offensive line. So I have a tough

2275
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: time with pressure stats. But I think overall, when you

2276
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 1: look at this offensive line, they have really struggled, in

2277
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 1: particular at the tackle position. Trent Brown is for whatever reason,

2278
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: not playing the same level that I think we all

2279
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 1: think he's capable of playing. He's much better player last year,

2280
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: even for them than he has been this year. And

2281
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: then obviously right tackle has just been a revolving door

2282
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 1: of nothing. So that has really been to me the

2283
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 1: biggest issue. If they could keep you know, Andrews Strange

2284
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: and on Windy on the interior, which has been the

2285
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 1: majority of their snaps as and offense has been with

2286
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 1: those three guys. Not terrible on the interior, it's not

2287
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 1: terrible where he's about middle of the pack right now

2288
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:10,840
Speaker 1: in time to throw, which I think is a really

2289
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 1: important indicator of overall pressure. Um so his pressure numbers

2290
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: are not terrible, but that's again indicative more so, I

2291
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: would say, and the fact that he does get the

2292
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: ball out quickly and screen past his quick game like

2293
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: that type of stuff is a part of their offense.

2294
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: So some of that is skewed now in terms of

2295
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:34,360
Speaker 1: like what PF calls pass blocking efficiency, which just studies

2296
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 1: sacks and pressures allowed by the offensive line, they're they're

2297
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: lower in that category, so they're near the bottom of

2298
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: the league in that category. And then the money quote,

2299
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: how does Mack perform win under pressure? Terrible? So that's

2300
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 1: that's the telling one. That's the biggest thing I think

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Speaker 1: that stands out about this team Statistically, when I look

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Speaker 1: at their offense right now, Mac Jones per PF is

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Speaker 1: fiftieth fiftieth in passing grade while under pressure, fifty out

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Speaker 1: of fifty one quarter there's thirty two teams. The only

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Speaker 1: quarterback that has graded out worse under pressure happens to

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Speaker 1: play for the New York Jets, Zach Zach Wilson. He

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Speaker 1: is forty fifth in passer rating while under pressure, and

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Speaker 1: his passer rating is so bad. I love this one.

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Speaker 1: His passer rating is so bad that if he just

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Speaker 1: spiked the ball into the ground every time he faced pressure,

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Speaker 1: it would be fire. Then what did occurred to nine

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Speaker 1: point six? Right? His completion rate while under pressure forty

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Speaker 1: three point eight. So this is the type of things

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Speaker 1: that you see with Mac. And when he's kept clean

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Speaker 1: and the players talk about all the time and he's

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Speaker 1: kept cleaning, great quarterback, he can get us the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know my argument, quarterbacks, everyone everybody else, right, So

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Speaker 1: that's that's been the big statistical thing, and especially when

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Speaker 1: you look at his pressure stats last year to this year,

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Speaker 1: it's quite a precipitous drop off in that respect. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be it. For this edition of Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 1: on deck is Catch twenty two with Evan and Alex Barth,

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Speaker 1: where there may or may not be a fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I heard that clip coming back from the break. There

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Speaker 1: might be there very well, could be, all right, so

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Speaker 1: we'll um give way to them. We'll be back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at noon where we look really hard at Cardinals. I

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Speaker 1: mean we've hardly talked about them, and then of course

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Speaker 1: we've got picks. So we'll see you tomorrow. Thank you

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