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Speaker 1: Danny McCrae, Heckma Harrison, and Newie Scrugs.
Speaker 3: Cowboys Nation. Here we are players last.
Speaker 2: I hope your team win. Come on stars.
Speaker 3: He goes, he goes, he goes. Okay, Uh, Barry Church.
Speaker 2: Is not here.
Speaker 3: He's yeah, it's very VERI is off. And that's okay.
Speaker 4: It's okay because we got birthday boy Danny McCrae in
Speaker 4: the house. But still were gonna keep selling looking celebrate Cray,
Speaker 4: Happy birthday. Heckm Harrison good in here, fresh off a
Speaker 4: visit his son. Little Heck was over TC.
Speaker 3: Get that frog going out there loving do it again?
Speaker 2: How you do it like that? Like that right there?
Speaker 2: You hey man, come on now do it right. We
Speaker 2: got time, Okay, we figured out, we got time.
Speaker 4: We got hey, look man, it'd be it would be
Speaker 4: a big old thrill to see heck with the games
Speaker 4: baby up there.
Speaker 2: In the stag and you know, get you and get
Speaker 2: you on the sideline. With me. Man, she just walk
Speaker 2: around there and just stay all day.
Speaker 5: He get I'm moving. No, man, that's all I like.
Speaker 5: Is that all we had to do?
Speaker 2: Like it? Come on now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took my kid out there. She's walking around
Speaker 2: with me. Yeah. We get that, man, We get that
Speaker 2: kind of access. But uh my, man, what's up?
Speaker 3: Happy birthday brother?
Speaker 2: I know it was yesterday, but just you know, another
Speaker 2: trip around the sun. Thirty six?
Speaker 5: Man turned thirty thirty six? Boll you look good man
Speaker 5: thirty six minutes? Why are you getting out there?
Speaker 2: Boy? Up?
Speaker 3: What you mean up?
Speaker 2: Well? You know what up there is? See these?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not close to way y'all. Don't you wear
Speaker 5: don't you were ringing my grades out? Your grades? As
Speaker 5: soon as I see it, I get it as soon
Speaker 5: as I see it.
Speaker 4: I just try to get the ones I can and
Speaker 4: then losing telling him about the battle I know you
Speaker 4: don't do.
Speaker 2: Never make a man when you start plucking on the stroke.
Speaker 2: What is that? What is this? Young like that?
Speaker 3: And it's dark and one of them stick out?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because only one of the times, so you'd be like,
Speaker 5: oh man, that one, this is so obvious.
Speaker 3: Joy, Why you can't man?
Speaker 2: Joy? Enjoy. What what did you do for your birthday? Danny? Man?
Speaker 2: I had a crumpus ball. I do.
Speaker 5: I do a crumpus ball, crumpers ball every year. A
Speaker 5: lot of family came in town White's friends and stuff,
Speaker 5: you know. But he asked me. I was another one
Speaker 5: that sall see, you didn't got me some donuts. Now,
Speaker 5: so because I asked him for some cake, I couldn't
Speaker 5: even get it. I couldn't get a piece of cake
Speaker 5: made of me. You know, hey, man, you know I
Speaker 5: messed with you. Man, y'all would have nothing on the
Speaker 5: menu for the Harrison family.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, chicken. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What is it?
Speaker 4: I went on with my people through yesterday. So yesterday
Speaker 4: I went out to the attorney, had a barbecue. Yesterday
Speaker 4: I spent my day and I spent my day just
Speaker 4: rolling around eating.
Speaker 5: Well, now that I know you, because the last time
Speaker 5: I invited you something, you to make it. So now
Speaker 5: that I know that you're actually showing it's your birthday.
Speaker 2: Birthday is that's a different thing. Yeah, that's that's that's
Speaker 2: a whole special day I survived.
Speaker 5: Watch party was a big thing too. It's not every
Speaker 5: day that was doing the weekday. We had that one
Speaker 5: because don't you worry. Don't you worry? But I got
Speaker 5: a birthday coming because I ain't.
Speaker 2: Don't you wear get that bigness.
Speaker 4: So Russell Wilson one year deal to go to the Steelers,
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: So the free agent tampering.
Speaker 4: Period at noon gets rolling, so you can officially tamp
Speaker 4: they have been tampering. So it's about Kirk Cousins going
Speaker 4: to Atlanta, talk about possible forty million dollars and Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: Congratulations the baker.
Speaker 2: Baker's back with the Bucks, got himself a big old deal.
Speaker 4: They took care of that. They took care of receiver
Speaker 4: Mike Evans. Congratulations to him. So moves are being made here.
Speaker 4: And if kirk Cousins gets forty million dollars, I really
Speaker 4: don't want to hear any Cowboy fans start morning and
Speaker 4: growing because guess what, Dak Prescott's gonna get his money.
Speaker 4: And if it hits up into the sixty million, it's
Speaker 4: going to hit up in there. It is now there
Speaker 4: are no cheap quarterbacks in this league, guys.
Speaker 2: Russell one team, yeah, somebody else is bearing the bill
Speaker 2: on rush.
Speaker 5: So yeah, Russ pocketing thirty nine.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, Russ is sitting here in
Speaker 4: that point where Baker Mayfield was last year. Okay, you're
Speaker 4: leaving a situation it was kind of cloudy, so you're
Speaker 4: doing that one year kind of pillow deal. It's all
Speaker 4: a baseball pillow deal. You fall right here for a
Speaker 4: year and then get back in the market. So if
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson has a good year, boom, he can get
Speaker 4: right back in here and start start dealing. But I
Speaker 4: just keep laughing as I read social media of fans
Speaker 4: who want to get mad at Dak Prescott and Dak's money.
Speaker 4: This is what the market is, and you're mad at
Speaker 4: the player, when essentially you should be mad at the
Speaker 4: team because the team gave the player all the leverage,
Speaker 4: so the player's gonna use it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I think we all talked about it with
Speaker 5: four years was it four years ago when for your
Speaker 5: franchise and we sitting there saying, hey, man, go ahead
Speaker 5: and get it done. Then you put the franchise tag
Speaker 5: on it, so that kind of pushes it to where
Speaker 5: you are now.
Speaker 2: So I mean, as a former player, I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, hey, somebody got to figure out a way
Speaker 5: to get it. I think Dak Prescott has put itself
Speaker 5: in a a in a position to where he's coming
Speaker 5: off of MVP type year leading the league in touchdowns,
Speaker 5: interceptions are down. And you look at it and you say,
Speaker 5: when you look at a Baker Mayfield or whoever else
Speaker 5: is getting paid, I want to be higher than them
Speaker 5: because this is what I did in.
Speaker 2: The previous year.
Speaker 5: So this is the Cowboys fault that then in the situation,
Speaker 5: And to me, I think the strangest thing about it
Speaker 5: is you have a couple of three players on your
Speaker 5: team that you're going to be resetting the market with.
Speaker 5: And I guess that's a testament to the way that
Speaker 5: you draft. You're going to reset the market at wide receiver,
Speaker 5: You're going to reset the market at the linebacker position.
Speaker 2: Is it lineback is a defensive end or is it linebacker?
Speaker 3: It got classified as a defensive end.
Speaker 2: Better if you want that money because it.
Speaker 5: But I think under the fifth year option, isn't it
Speaker 5: lower as being a defensive end as it was a
Speaker 5: line Either way, it is.
Speaker 4: Lower, it is, but he's that But that distinction thereamer
Speaker 4: Todd Archer had had had a long thing he rode
Speaker 4: up there available on social media. But bottom line is
Speaker 4: he is classified defensive end. Would have made more as
Speaker 4: a linebacker, but.
Speaker 2: In his in his fifth year option, he would have
Speaker 2: made more.
Speaker 3: Well, just the the tag linebacker was more.
Speaker 5: But in his in his contract negotiations, when he's negotiating
Speaker 5: as a defensive end versus the linebacker will to be higher.
Speaker 2: Here's what I think.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, when he negotiating, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be what's the highest number.
Speaker 2: Band he gonna the defensive end is one? What's your one?
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 5: But but the distinction itself as it came down, I
Speaker 5: thought when I when I saw it, it's like, what
Speaker 5: are the Cowboys doing? But then then as it was
Speaker 5: explained to me, it's not the Cowboys that make that distinction.
Speaker 5: It's the players Association that that does that. And so
Speaker 5: look again, looking over the league, there's so many moves
Speaker 5: being made and the ones that you were just talking about,
Speaker 5: especially at the quarterback position. With Russell going to Pittsburgh,
Speaker 5: it was a no brainer in our group chat, I
Speaker 5: said Pittsburgh online one because it was a natural fit
Speaker 5: for me, and I look at their coach and I'm
Speaker 5: like look, man, that that was the guy that you
Speaker 5: needed to bring in that hopefully can get your offense going.
Speaker 5: If I'm a receiver at Pittsburgh, I'm thanking God that
Speaker 5: we finally get a quarterback at Russell Wilson's arm hasn't
Speaker 5: diminished that much that he still doesn't have anything on
Speaker 5: the deep ball, intermediate routes. Maybe that deep out he
Speaker 5: can't put that thing on the rope like he used to.
Speaker 5: But other at the same token, when you turn over
Speaker 5: to my guy Raheem Morris kirk Cousins, you know, in
Speaker 5: that situation, if I'm Rohie Morris, like, do me a favor,
Speaker 5: don't do me no favors right now, just to get
Speaker 5: things started here. And look, you have enough talent around
Speaker 5: and I do believe in the running game. I think
Speaker 5: that running game is going to be sufficient enough to
Speaker 5: support which whoever comes in there and plays quarterback. But
Speaker 5: we got to get talking taking care of cowboy business.
Speaker 5: You have to get Dak's deal done if you're going
Speaker 5: to have any luck in free agency period.
Speaker 2: You're correct, You're correct, And.
Speaker 4: Once again I go back to just the way quarterback
Speaker 4: contracts are set up. And then also you have to
Speaker 4: talk about the agent. Here this game of agency. When
Speaker 4: we talk about agents, you keep your job by being
Speaker 4: able to go tell other free agents look at what
Speaker 4: I do, and it gets used against you if you don't.
Speaker 4: So when you look at Justin Herbert Fuller of fifty two,
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow high right now fifty five, it's an agent.
Speaker 4: If you can't get those things beat, it gets used
Speaker 4: against you. So the Cowboys got that working get against them.
Speaker 4: And once again I go back to a guy like
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins. If you're gonna pay forty million dollars for
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins and we know his what he produces for you,
Speaker 4: which is disappointment. And I say disappointment for the stairpoint
Speaker 4: that they had went to the NFC Championship game with
Speaker 4: Case Keenum and their whole thing was thanks Case, But
Speaker 4: we need to go next level. We need a guy
Speaker 4: that can get us over the hump. They never got
Speaker 4: over the hump. They never got back to where they
Speaker 4: were a Case Keenum. So maybe keep your own guy.
Speaker 4: And here's the problem. I think about Atlanta. For forty
Speaker 4: million dollars, you could have Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson was
Speaker 4: available last last year and the owner said, well, we're
Speaker 4: worried about him getting hurt.
Speaker 5: But that was the weirdest negotiation of any player that
Speaker 5: I've ever seen. Last season, when Lamar could, teams would
Speaker 5: not touch Lamar.
Speaker 2: So go back to what that was.
Speaker 4: Remember, DeShawn got all that guaranteed money from Cleveland and
Speaker 4: the owners were hot.
Speaker 2: They were hot in the hasls, like he what are
Speaker 2: we doing here?
Speaker 4: We're not doing this, and so it's kind of said,
Speaker 4: not said that, hey man, nobody, don't nobody else go
Speaker 4: do this? And so Lamar has any smart player, Oh
Speaker 4: he's getting that. I want that too, And it was
Speaker 4: almost as though, hey man, nobody give this guy that.
Speaker 4: But eventually he signed a contract. He didn't get the
Speaker 4: guarantees like Watson did.
Speaker 2: He didn't get them in that collusion.
Speaker 6: In that collusion we had to prove it was said, Okay,
Speaker 6: this man looked. I'm just saying, if Deshaun Watson was
Speaker 6: able to walk away with the bag like that, and
Speaker 6: then you have an MVP in the league that's a
Speaker 6: free agent, has an opportunity to have to reset the market,
Speaker 6: and we're.
Speaker 5: Still in a situation with Deshaun Watson. Is what is
Speaker 5: still at the top of the food chain. Why why
Speaker 5: is there even any discussion when we talk about dak
Speaker 5: in restructuring his deal, And that's that's that's where I
Speaker 5: have a disconnect in all of this.
Speaker 4: You're you're correct, But it's the it's the fan base
Speaker 4: and the fan base in general, and then of course
Speaker 4: those fans who are anti Deak.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you got that out there.
Speaker 4: But just overall, when I think about Atlanta, what you
Speaker 4: could have had in Lamar Jacks.
Speaker 3: You about to pay forty you about to pay forty
Speaker 3: million dollars.
Speaker 4: For a guy that is who he is coming off
Speaker 4: an injury that Oh, by the way, your team is
Speaker 4: letting you go.
Speaker 2: We'll miss you.
Speaker 3: Thanks Kirk, good luck. Yes to me, that's that's wild.
Speaker 3: And Dak Prescott, as we all saw.
Speaker 4: Had a career year, second team All Pro last year.
Speaker 4: So in the first year of the offense, so I
Speaker 4: just this is the business. Then the Cowboys and put
Speaker 4: themselves out.
Speaker 5: I think that's the saving grace, like first year of
Speaker 5: the offense, because outside of that, I think some of
Speaker 5: the frustration goes of the performances in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So I think.
Speaker 5: It's if Dak was able to turn what he's done
Speaker 5: in the regular season into a couple.
Speaker 2: Of playoff wins.
Speaker 5: I don't think you will be getting as much pushback
Speaker 5: for a sixty million dollar contract when the recency thing is, okay,
Speaker 5: sixty million for what we just saw over the last
Speaker 5: three years going twelve and five. It doesn't add up
Speaker 5: in some people's eyes. But it's not even that. It's
Speaker 5: more of this is the situation you put yourself in
Speaker 5: as an organization because of how you did him on
Speaker 5: his first contract.
Speaker 2: So that is the issue. Do I have an issue
Speaker 2: with them paying it.
Speaker 5: I don't, But as I'm looking at it as a
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys fan, I'm still saying the same thing some
Speaker 5: of those fans are saying. I'm like, hey man, it's
Speaker 5: three years of twelve and five, and we need this
Speaker 5: type of performance in the playoffs in order for me
Speaker 5: to feel comfortable with you moving forward for the next
Speaker 5: four or five years. Because if I got to look
Speaker 5: at that for the next four to five twelve and
Speaker 5: five and then expect to be out in the first
Speaker 5: round of playoffs, then I'm not seeing the sixty million
Speaker 5: dollar work.
Speaker 2: ROI I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4: But it becomes two situations where playoff playoff production, and
Speaker 4: I would put Lamar Jackson was he.
Speaker 2: Two and four?
Speaker 4: I think of the playoffs in two and five, So
Speaker 4: so you know, money, playoff production. But then you're just
Speaker 4: that whole contract thing. That's almost that's a separate deal.
Speaker 4: It's a separate dealer. Fans don't see it that way,
Speaker 4: but but you truly have to when you do this.
Speaker 4: Michael Gallup, by the way, the team apparently reportedly said, hey, man,
Speaker 4: go seek a trade.
Speaker 2: We talked about it right here on the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Liane probat to buy two Stevens.
Speaker 4: Michael Gallop a guy we like, but thirteen million dollars
Speaker 4: last year and you were if we include Jake Ferguson
Speaker 4: as a target, you were target number four.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. No, paid him way too much money.
Speaker 5: And I think coming in the expectation for him coming
Speaker 5: off of the a cl Andrew Will two years removed
Speaker 5: from the ace Yell injury, we just never seen. We
Speaker 5: never got that Mike g from before, and the expectation,
Speaker 5: the money and all of that. You know what that's
Speaker 5: gonna It's gonna be your undoing here and being the
Speaker 5: fourth target at thirteen million dollars is a cush gig,
Speaker 5: almost like a.
Speaker 2: Back you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, And I went way out on the limb
Speaker 5: with that right there, right just saying I'll take it.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure all year he was looking at
Speaker 5: his chake like, you know, they really shouldn't be giving me.
Speaker 5: He never said that, by the way, but I just look,
Speaker 5: I wish him luck. I think that, you know, hopefully
Speaker 5: there's maybe there's a way. But I think going forward
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys, they have to find a guy at
Speaker 5: that position. We've gone over that agnolzium, but they're just
Speaker 5: basically talking about needing that guy playmaker, a difference maker
Speaker 5: behind ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 2: We just didn't get it.
Speaker 5: And we can try and put three guys in a
Speaker 5: barrel to be that one guy if we want to,
Speaker 5: but we understand and when you go into the playoffs,
Speaker 5: we did not have that secondary target that we could
Speaker 5: rely on. And look, it's just Cowboy fans, you know,
Speaker 5: I being amongst them, just feeling like like, man Dak
Speaker 5: needs more from these guys. When it gets to playoff time,
Speaker 5: they do.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 5: At some point, it's gonna be hey, you at some
Speaker 5: point it's gonna say, man, because you are who you are,
Speaker 5: this gotta be enough. At some point, I do agree
Speaker 5: that we need that second guy outside of CD Lamb
Speaker 5: to be more productive than we had in the previous year.
Speaker 5: But it's just hard when you looking at sixty million
Speaker 5: dollars and I know Patrick Mahomes is an outlier of
Speaker 5: like you can look at what they have on offense
Speaker 5: and you say, well, he can get it done. But
Speaker 5: at some point I'm looking at that and I see
Speaker 5: him play through the regular season, I'm saying I believe
Speaker 5: that he can still get it done with the players
Speaker 5: that he has on the squad. Like I think that
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb, Ferguson, the emergency of Ferguson last year, had
Speaker 5: at Zeke and Tony Poller, Like, you've had opportunities where
Speaker 5: you had enough weapons to at least get further into
Speaker 5: the playoffs, and we still haven't. We haven't seen And
Speaker 5: it's the performance that he puts out there in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: It's not like those other guys not showing up. It's
Speaker 5: some of the things that are on just on him.
Speaker 4: Quarterback, the quarterback Brandon cooks his resume and what he's
Speaker 4: done in his career. Last year there was a disconnect,
Speaker 4: and I've got to come back in here to the
Speaker 4: coaching staff. You had a player who's been putting up
Speaker 4: a thousand, thousand and thousand, and been putting up a thousand.
Speaker 2: With some Jag quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: So I look at that last year as a failure
Speaker 4: of the use of the player overall, because the player's
Speaker 4: resume shows you he can he can perform, and there
Speaker 4: were times where we saw Brandon Cook's perform.
Speaker 3: So I'm not as sold as.
Speaker 4: I say some people talking about a wide receiver and
Speaker 4: second to third round for the Cowboys, like, I really
Speaker 4: don't think that's the issue to me. To me, the
Speaker 4: issue still on the front lines. You you you can't
Speaker 4: stop them running, okay, And what do we keep seeing
Speaker 4: in these playoff games, these teams bullying them. I mean,
Speaker 4: I go back to when Jason Garrett was here and
Speaker 4: they went out to Los Angeles and the Coliseum and
Speaker 4: they got two dudes rushed for one hundred and ten
Speaker 4: on them. I mean, just this thing's been You've been
Speaker 4: getting bullied up front for ages, San Francisco, Green Bay.
Speaker 2: They just we're gonna run on you and cut your heart.
Speaker 4: Out, Yeah, this is and and so that so, so
Speaker 4: follow that up with your offensive line issues.
Speaker 3: Too, So we can talk all day long about a receiver.
Speaker 4: To me, that's one of the last things I'm gonna
Speaker 4: fix at address here. If I come back with Lamb
Speaker 4: Cooks Ferguson, I'm gonna try to find somebody.
Speaker 2: I got told bon I'm gonna try and.
Speaker 4: Find somebody at that level because I think they've got
Speaker 4: enough here.
Speaker 2: You gotta fix these You got to fix it up
Speaker 2: front now, I mean absolutely, I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 5: I think the conversation just evolved around gallop in the
Speaker 5: way that the offense was last season. But when you
Speaker 5: go back to the Green Bay Law, it was I
Speaker 5: put that in the lap of the defense. I think
Speaker 5: your defense lets you down in so many ways. The
Speaker 5: ball game was out of control before you even could
Speaker 5: get your offense in any rhythm. They had twenty one points.
Speaker 5: So let's just I mean being realistic about it. I
Speaker 5: don't think that a big time wide receiver is going
Speaker 5: to fix all of our problems. I think a running
Speaker 5: back is going to fix your problems. That's what that's
Speaker 5: So let's let's let's take a break and hit on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's take a break hit on that and I
Speaker 4: We'll start with a free agent and somebody of the
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Speaker 4: when we come back, I want to get your thoughts
Speaker 4: on Derrick Henry, who I did not know.
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Speaker 2: was hurt. A person of her status, she said, person
Speaker 2: of my status is not going to get involved in that.
Speaker 2: I do not I do not indulge.
Speaker 4: But the black dudes jumping out the stands, over the
Speaker 4: scos table onto the court.
Speaker 5: It's it beyond people sometimes what do we do? Saw
Speaker 5: the women's basket, but he saw how big.
Speaker 2: Hole girl was.
Speaker 3: Over there and just saw how what just hers a
Speaker 3: whole like there's a whole budget.
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes you could do something so stupid and
Speaker 5: when you do, it's just like I'm dumb.
Speaker 2: Like I'm here now. I didn't think about it all.
Speaker 5: The way through.
Speaker 3: With the police officer right here too.
Speaker 2: Man, the police was right on the man.
Speaker 3: That's a tough go LSU South Carolina.
Speaker 5: That was a great game, by the way, both times that.
Speaker 2: Was overshadowed by that event.
Speaker 5: And I'm tell you what, women's basketball is taking a turn.
Speaker 2: Boy, Kayla Clark.
Speaker 5: You don't want to give her the credit for the
Speaker 5: magnetism and the eyes that she's brought to women's basketball.
Speaker 5: But I think just with the way that South Carolina
Speaker 5: Don Staley is doing an amazing job.
Speaker 2: LSU was always there, man.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm looking forward to that just as
Speaker 5: much as I'm looking to looking forward to.
Speaker 2: The men the tournament.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a good tournament with the talent that
Speaker 5: you had there, and especially teams that are allowed up
Speaker 5: at the top too. So it's gonna be a good tournament.
Speaker 4: Last year's final four at the American Airline Center in Dallas, uh,
Speaker 4: I really feel fortunate to have gone to that. I
Speaker 4: went to the practice they had, but the practice was full.
Speaker 4: Iowa fans came out last year. That was my first
Speaker 4: time just kind of seeing the whole Caitlyn Clark mania
Speaker 4: of what that was South Carolina. The it was watching
Speaker 4: down Staley reminded me of watching President.
Speaker 2: Obama when he was running.
Speaker 4: The way people treated her superstar and then of course
Speaker 4: l SU all the fans who came out there for that.
Speaker 2: It was a party. And poor Virginia Tech. How did
Speaker 2: we get here? It was the ye you know, but
Speaker 2: they got the brother head coach. Everybody good to see you. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But but but that was that was a heck of
Speaker 4: a heck of a run in Dallas and the second
Speaker 4: time they've had the Final four of South Carolina ended
Speaker 4: up winning it over Mississippi State a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: and missisps State had that great shot when they.
Speaker 2: Beat you can't.
Speaker 4: So I look forward to maybe four or five years
Speaker 4: until it comes back to Dallas Fort Worth again, another
Speaker 4: soul out arena.
Speaker 3: But yes, this final four here could be pretty good.
Speaker 5: But I want to ask you this a sports journalist,
Speaker 5: You've seen a lot of great women basketball players and
Speaker 5: watching Caitlyn Clark, and I know it's this argument on
Speaker 5: social media that makes no sense because you go back
Speaker 5: to Sheryl Swoops and Miller all of that. Right, she
Speaker 5: is a phenomenal basketball player.
Speaker 2: I saw swoops.
Speaker 5: I saw swoops too, That's what I'm saying, Like, I mean,
Speaker 5: you saw soweps.
Speaker 2: What playing?
Speaker 5: Oh, I think you said you saw I hated the
Speaker 5: other day, No hat she was hating, but I didn't
Speaker 5: see she was hating.
Speaker 2: Busy and was wrong. But you know what a lot
Speaker 2: too loud and wrong.
Speaker 5: She said, Kaitlyn Clark doesn't deserve whatever she gets because
Speaker 5: the person's record that she was breaking only played four
Speaker 5: years and Kaitlyn Clark had a COVID year, so she
Speaker 5: had more time, which is wrong.
Speaker 2: Katevin Clark's in her fourth year. Yeah, she didn't have
Speaker 2: a COVID.
Speaker 5: Sometimes, I mean a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 5: people call themselves coming from off the top rope. And
Speaker 5: Cheryl Schill, she's gonna be wrong about she can. She's
Speaker 5: the one player that could be wrong, loud and wrong
Speaker 5: because of the kind of player that she was. I'm
Speaker 5: just saying when I watched her play, it's just her
Speaker 5: game is so dynamic, h that it's just it's something
Speaker 5: to watch. And so that's what That's what I was
Speaker 5: asking you, man, what do you you know, what do
Speaker 5: you think about her game?
Speaker 4: What when I saw her play in the suits, hitting
Speaker 4: these shots and just the way the crowd was, uh,
Speaker 4: it was it was fun. That's the one thing I
Speaker 4: think about just she was fun to watch and then
Speaker 4: her teammates fent off of her. The whole thing was
Speaker 4: just fun to watch. And I go back to the
Speaker 4: skin pul virginny Tech, nothing against you, but all the
Speaker 4: other three teams were fun to watch. The way South
Speaker 4: Carolina play, the way they went about it. LSU would Angel,
Speaker 4: I mean they I mean that in that championship game,
Speaker 4: man and the girls come off the bench.
Speaker 2: Man, she was nail in a couple of three. I
Speaker 2: mean it was. It was really good basketball.
Speaker 4: And the way all three South Carolina LSU, they all
Speaker 4: had a Player of the Year, all three.
Speaker 2: Of them had legit like this this star.
Speaker 4: Right here and other players who fed off them, and
Speaker 4: the coaches who understood how to use them. But home
Speaker 4: girl was hitting some shots and was balling. I don't
Speaker 4: have an issue. And this is what happens.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: People want the sport to get more publicity, then there
Speaker 4: becomes an issue of who gets more publicity than the
Speaker 4: Angelice was at the podium talking the other day about
Speaker 4: one of her teammates so and she said, hey, give
Speaker 4: her her flowers.
Speaker 3: I'm not here without her.
Speaker 2: It is what it is, man. And when you.
Speaker 4: When you get a player like Caitlin Clark balling like
Speaker 4: she's balling, and she's a fantastic storyline, and people have
Speaker 4: written it's going to get out there, some people gonna
Speaker 4: have issues. We don't like that, and we know what
Speaker 4: some of the underlying issues are.
Speaker 2: And we know this the unfortunate ones. Okay, but eyeballs
Speaker 2: are watching.
Speaker 4: And when she gets drafted by a w NBA team,
Speaker 4: whoever gets the number one pick, that team is going
Speaker 4: to sell out. When when wherever she goes, when she
Speaker 4: comes right down here to play in Arlington against the
Speaker 4: Dallas Wings at the UTA, people come and show up.
Speaker 4: They're gonna show up, and that's good for the sport.
Speaker 4: So tell me how this is bad when people are
Speaker 4: talking about normally they're not talking about and they're talking
Speaker 4: about you, And what if we talked about just kind
Speaker 4: of the last two years has been South Carolina and LSU.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about Iowa. Now we talk about is
Speaker 2: this a bad thing? Yeah?
Speaker 4: We complained about that because all I know is everybody
Speaker 4: trying to catch the NFL.
Speaker 2: We we're talking about non stop, now stop NFL today.
Speaker 2: You know it is it is. We're around here now
Speaker 2: we can talk tampering today.
Speaker 3: Yes, we're talking about tampering. And who's gonna sign Whatere Henry,
Speaker 3: Derek Henny.
Speaker 4: I'm at the math game, guy, like you win a basketball,
Speaker 4: they need to sign Dereck Henry, That's what they I'm like, bruh,
Speaker 4: what's deck? What is Derreck Henry good? How many carries
Speaker 4: you think you needed about Dereck Henry? Be Derek Henry good?
Speaker 4: About twenty two?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You think Derek Henry will get twenty two carries?
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy augience, No, I would disagree. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know about twenty two.
Speaker 5: Listen, Tony Paulo was floating around seventeen eighteen. I could
Speaker 5: see you getting four more if you're productive. If Tony
Speaker 5: Paula was getting more yards and that three yards and
Speaker 5: the cloud to us are falling forward, I think he
Speaker 5: would have got three four more carriers. But I think
Speaker 5: that's something you get when you when you have a
Speaker 5: Dereck Henry, especially when you're trying to close a game out.
Speaker 4: That's a commitment, and they made a commitment to him
Speaker 4: in Tennessee. We are a run team. If I'm going
Speaker 4: to sign Dereck Henry and pay the man, you have
Speaker 4: to make that commitment.
Speaker 2: How did it go for Tennessee? Mike's never made that commitment.
Speaker 2: They would they wouldn't. They got fuller than us.
Speaker 5: A championship win with Derrick Henry. No, no, I'm talking
Speaker 5: about what version of Derrick Henry are we getting. I'm
Speaker 5: not opposed to it, no matter what. When I look
Speaker 5: at free agency and my and my expectations in free
Speaker 5: agencies is low low, Okay, then all I'm saying is
Speaker 5: we've we've gone out and we've gotten a Rico Dado
Speaker 5: kind of guys in the past. How is that work?
Speaker 5: Because we're not getting a difference maker at the position.
Speaker 5: We went into the draft, we got deduced fun that
Speaker 5: we still didn't figure out a way even how to
Speaker 5: make that work throughout the season. It is incumbent upon
Speaker 5: this team, this organization to find a way to get
Speaker 5: a running game that is effected throughout the season. We
Speaker 5: went eight nine games without one hundred yard rusher and
Speaker 5: not even combined in situations, and we tried to figure
Speaker 5: out ways and throwing the ball. I'm calling the sweat myself.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that there has to be a difference
Speaker 5: in this running game because we were never a threat
Speaker 5: at all. There were no eight man boxes. So are
Speaker 5: you saying that Derrick Henry is a difference maker or not.
Speaker 5: I don't know what version of Derrick Henry we're getting.
Speaker 5: I'm saying over the last couple of years, I saw
Speaker 5: the dimension returns on Derrick Henry, and I think if
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry agrees to come here and say look, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna come off the bench, I'm you know, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be a thunder and lightning kind of deal.
Speaker 2: Who's the thunder and who's the lightning? You know?
Speaker 5: I just I want to and then how much of
Speaker 5: this changes our offensive line philosophy because and it seemed
Speaker 5: like to me we were doing those outside zones where
Speaker 5: you know, this Tony Poler was getting out of space.
Speaker 5: He was more effective on the outside, but then we
Speaker 5: were using him as a battering ram in other situations.
Speaker 5: So I mean, we never had any true flow to
Speaker 5: our running game at all, and so I don't know
Speaker 5: how Derrick Henry, how effective he can be in this offense.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 5: We do we have true flow to our renting game.
Speaker 5: When we had Ezekiel Elliot and Tony Pollard the previous
Speaker 5: year was it was it pretty much known that thunder
Speaker 5: and lightning when you know what you were gonna get,
Speaker 5: and you know what type of runs Ezekiel Elliot was
Speaker 5: gonna get. And then when you had that change the
Speaker 5: pace when you put a guy like Tony Pollard in,
Speaker 5: we knew what our renting game is. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 5: think I think what a Derrick Henry dependent on the price.
Speaker 5: I think everything to me is dependent on the price.
Speaker 5: Like I'm not gonna go pay him Christian McCaffrey type.
Speaker 5: So anyway, that's that's all I'm gonna I'm just the
Speaker 5: thought of like, okay, we because we all talked about
Speaker 5: red zone, like what do you do when you're on
Speaker 5: the goal line? Like that is an instant solved to
Speaker 5: the issue that you were talking about. And then also
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry what we saw last year because he was
Speaker 5: coming off of injury the year before. I believe, Yes,
Speaker 5: it's the longer, the further the season got going, he
Speaker 5: still got the speed to be able to break away
Speaker 5: and get those fifty yard runs if he needs to.
Speaker 5: But the most important part of it is when you
Speaker 5: get into the second half, or you get into the
Speaker 5: second part of that third quarter.
Speaker 2: Has he punished you in the first and second to.
Speaker 5: Where you could tell that the defensive linement and defensive
Speaker 5: whoever don't want.
Speaker 2: To tackle him.
Speaker 5: That's consistent with a guy like Derrick Henry. It's consistent.
Speaker 5: Has he had games to where you like he's not
Speaker 5: doing much? Most people have except for Christian McCaffrey. But
Speaker 5: I think Derrick Henry here as the thunder. I think
Speaker 5: I don't think you lose with that one.
Speaker 4: So if you pay for Derrick Henry is thunder.
Speaker 3: What you just said, how do you how do we.
Speaker 4: Reimagine the running game to take advantage of him?
Speaker 2: Because this is.
Speaker 4: Not something we've seen. Have we seen a bull like
Speaker 4: this from Mike McCarthy. Had Ryan Clark year, I mean
Speaker 4: Ryan Grant one year and on the Super Bowl season
Speaker 4: then he got hurt, but we haven't really seen him
Speaker 4: do that where they line up Dak just handed off
Speaker 4: and didn go.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that.
Speaker 4: If you get Derrick Henry, I'm imagining at this point
Speaker 4: because McCarty s they want to Pollard back, so you're
Speaker 4: saying goodbye to Pollo.
Speaker 2: So we get Derrick Henry. Are you now going.
Speaker 4: Into the draft on Day two or three looking for
Speaker 4: enough because you need to get someone.
Speaker 3: Right, two compensatory picks.
Speaker 4: So to me, I think you got to go back
Speaker 4: skip Pete gave them what they need.
Speaker 2: You need two backs. Yes, the goal line is.
Speaker 4: An issue, but I just don't notice Derrick Henry fit
Speaker 4: the kind of run game that we've.
Speaker 2: Seen from Mike McCarthy. Biggest questions is it more Brandon Jacob.
Speaker 2: I'm not Brandon Jacobs, Josh Jacobs for the Raiders.
Speaker 4: Who's free that fits a little bit more of what
Speaker 4: they're going to do obviously costs is their Sequon Barkley
Speaker 4: another guy that make you hear people talk about.
Speaker 3: But my issue with Barley.
Speaker 2: Has been healthy is healthy that's the scary part. But
Speaker 2: he proved last year.
Speaker 5: He didn't he prove it last year that he can
Speaker 5: stay healthy.
Speaker 2: I think he's he's still end up getting banged up
Speaker 2: last season, but yeah, he did. He did play a
Speaker 2: healthier season, but he still ended up getting banged up.
Speaker 2: Very DeMarco Murray is to me.
Speaker 4: And when I think of DeMarco Murray, he was always
Speaker 4: hurt and even the last year when he won Player
Speaker 4: of the Year, he hurt his hand.
Speaker 2: He was hurt.
Speaker 4: And so for me, Saquon had to win name and
Speaker 4: last year everybody, everybody will take it up.
Speaker 2: Go I could go soldier.
Speaker 3: I mean that's because you're trying to get paid.
Speaker 4: I but his cost is of all the backs that
Speaker 4: are out there, I think Saquon is going to be
Speaker 4: the priceest and I just don't think the Cowboys are
Speaker 4: going to get into the point of pricing themselves. You
Speaker 4: paid ten million dollars for running back last year, and
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at Tony Pollard.
Speaker 2: They put that attack them, but you had a lot
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 4: Think about between Tony Pollard and Michael Gott that's twenty
Speaker 4: three million dollars.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Of dudes who just did not give you what you needed.
Speaker 4: I just don't see any I don't see it. First
Speaker 4: of all, none of these guys getting ten million, I
Speaker 4: don't see it. If you get six if a group,
Speaker 4: if these guys get six, that might be high.
Speaker 3: I mean prices are dropping again here back.
Speaker 5: To what you were talking about in this when we
Speaker 5: were talking about Dak, and you know how everyone wants
Speaker 5: to have a conversation about receiver. I think the way
Speaker 5: that you preserve Dak is through the running game. It
Speaker 5: has historically been the case, especially when you talk about Zeke.
Speaker 5: And this is the part that we missed last season,
Speaker 5: and especially in those games where teams were just playing
Speaker 5: hot and seek against US and San Francisco game. Look
Speaker 5: no further than that, we just did not have an
Speaker 5: effective enough running game. Then let's go to the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Look at the teams that had success in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: What did they do. We always talk about Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 5: and how great he is during the playoff time, but
Speaker 5: it was Pacheco that really made defenses kind of have
Speaker 5: to sit in that box because of how effective the
Speaker 5: running game was. We cannot negate this and start talking
Speaker 5: like fantasy football owners.
Speaker 2: I know that's you, guys, but I'm just saying to
Speaker 2: think that football.
Speaker 5: Still isn't fundamentally played, you know, in between the tackles.
Speaker 2: We were not good at that at all.
Speaker 5: And that's argument deck hearing, especially when you're saying six, Yeah,
Speaker 5: what I loved about what you said was in goal line.
Speaker 5: And I've said I'll keep repeating you go back to
Speaker 5: the Miami game. We win that game if you can
Speaker 5: score on the goal line, Philadelphia, if you can score
Speaker 5: on the goal line, and we just we were not
Speaker 5: effective in that way. And to try and rewrite the
Speaker 5: narrative that oh we just need that, No, we need
Speaker 5: other guys to contribute ceedee, Lamb was balling on a budget,
Speaker 5: all right, But then you you did not have a
Speaker 5: running game that was effective.
Speaker 4: And there was some misfires between Dak and CD and
Speaker 4: in that game early on here they.
Speaker 3: Were they had their own Yeah, yeah, they together were good.
Speaker 4: But I agree, I go back to Dak and Lamar,
Speaker 4: and I'm putting these two guys at the hip right
Speaker 4: now in the terms of the playoffs because they basically
Speaker 4: have the same playoff record.
Speaker 2: Neither team ran the ball effectively to help the quarter which.
Speaker 5: Is crazy for Baltimore. Though it's crazier for Baltimore than
Speaker 5: it is for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what in
Speaker 4: the world they came up with. During the week they
Speaker 4: said this is gonna work. It was terrible. But I
Speaker 4: just think if you're going to help them, that's the
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Speaker 4: they gave a ball. DeMarco Murray, I agree with you,
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Speaker 4: to be I don't know how they do it. You
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Speaker 4: So Cowboys free agency, there's Chris Jones five years, one
Speaker 4: hundred fifty eight million dollars for Kansas City, one hundred
Speaker 4: and one million dollars guaranteed. This brother's worth every single penny.
Speaker 4: After Patrick Mahomes, I think he is their most important
Speaker 4: player and hats off to Kansas City for shipping off
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill arguably the if not the best. He's one
Speaker 4: of the top three wide receivers in the NFL and
Speaker 4: they gain won two championships without him.
Speaker 2: Wow, can you said that? Number? One hundred and fifty eight.
Speaker 4: Million dollars for five years for Chris Jones, one hundred
Speaker 4: and one million of guaranteed, and there's not This is
Speaker 4: nobody saying a word overpaid, no worth every penny.
Speaker 2: He's gonna call some other people to get overpaid.
Speaker 5: That's true. No, no, no, that's other people to get an overplay.
Speaker 5: It's some guys looking at that saying, oh the Chris Christian.
Speaker 4: Wilkins, Christian Wilkins in miamis looking at Jops and just saying, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't need.
Speaker 2: One hundred and one million, keep you me ninety.
Speaker 5: Five now, Christian Williams, the Christian Wilkins. That's a good
Speaker 5: player coming out of Clemson. I love him as a player,
Speaker 5: but he he ain't that I mean, Aidan Hutchinson's gonna
Speaker 5: be open with year. They be talking to him about
Speaker 5: it soon.
Speaker 4: Hutchinson will be a guy that franchise, you know. But
Speaker 4: but so for me, the guy I look at and
Speaker 4: I just say, hey, hey, hey, Leonard Williams Seattle, that
Speaker 4: was with the Giants before. There's there's a defensive lineman
Speaker 4: that I that. You know, Hey, Jerry, go get that guy.
Speaker 4: But Leonard Williams, I think I think you help your
Speaker 4: football team.
Speaker 3: No he's not. He's not Chris Jones, not Aaron Donald's
Speaker 3: not Wilkins.
Speaker 2: But play for sure.
Speaker 4: He's a player, and that's what you need right now.
Speaker 4: You need a player. Got to stop the run. They're
Speaker 4: not Teams are just running on you. The big Fangio
Speaker 4: blueprint is still out here, is still effective, It's still working.
Speaker 4: So guys, how do you feel about Leonard Williams.
Speaker 2: I like it. I just.
Speaker 5: The where I'm torn at is the most important part.
Speaker 5: Like I wanted to be interior. I know they still
Speaker 5: gonna try to give Mazi. I know they're still gonna
Speaker 5: try to give Maziri.
Speaker 2: Hankins.
Speaker 5: My fear is linebacker almost more than defensive defensive line
Speaker 5: at this time, just because when you look at the
Speaker 5: position and you look at Overshan who will be coming
Speaker 5: off a big time injury. You look at not having
Speaker 5: Lane Vanderish, Michael Parsons is not playing linebacker. You're looking
Speaker 5: at Marquis Bell going back to safety. What do you
Speaker 5: have there outside of the mont Clark Yeah, that you
Speaker 5: feel comfortable about because when you look at defensive line,
Speaker 5: for whatever we feel about Mazi and whatever, that's the
Speaker 5: first round pick who's going to the second year, who's
Speaker 5: going to get an opportunity if you have to plug
Speaker 5: in Hank's there and then you still have an opportunity
Speaker 5: to figure it out. I'm not saying don't worry about
Speaker 5: the defensive line, but when I look at the second level,
Speaker 5: that like, that's where I'm like, that's what we need
Speaker 5: to find out. Two or three guys I like Leonard Williams.
Speaker 5: I think that'll be an amazing addition to the squad.
Speaker 5: But linebacker, to me is where I'm just I'm ultra
Speaker 5: focused on how do we got a guy.
Speaker 2: Got a dream? Have a dream guy?
Speaker 5: Yeah got look at I didn't need to see how
Speaker 5: Shack played last year? Was Shack Beary Checkberry. I didn't
Speaker 5: see how he played last year. But I'm just looking
Speaker 5: at names, and I'm saying what we needed the position.
Speaker 5: We need a leader at the position when somebody's gonna
Speaker 5: wear that green dot, somebody who has experience of being
Speaker 5: in there on those type of teams where they know
Speaker 5: what it looks like, know how to communicate that, and
Speaker 5: I think we need a.
Speaker 2: Guy like that I had.
Speaker 5: I didn't watch Shack, but that's just the name where
Speaker 5: I'm saying well, I mean, I know what I saw
Speaker 5: him do in years past. We've had plenty of opportunity
Speaker 5: to go out and get guys. I think of the
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebackers Devin White and the other the
Speaker 5: other guy. I mean they We've had opportunities to bring guys.
Speaker 5: In Chicago Bears traded a guy to Baltimore. It had
Speaker 5: an opportunity to get him, we passed on him. We've
Speaker 5: always had this mantra that we've believed in our guys.
Speaker 5: But I'm with you, Danny, it's these are just blaring
Speaker 5: needs at the linebacker position. And if you can bring
Speaker 5: in a Pat Queen, a player like that that can solidify,
Speaker 5: be that green dot guy, but also be a calming
Speaker 5: force in the middle of that defense, we haven't. I'm
Speaker 5: with you. I think Leonard Williams is one of those
Speaker 5: guys that could, you know, to gap run support type
Speaker 5: of a guy. Look, Mazi, we're gonna give him grace
Speaker 5: from last season. He's got to come in and be
Speaker 5: two times better than what he was last season. And
Speaker 5: having a coach like Zimmer that and I didn't think
Speaker 5: that dan Quinn was pacifying him at all. But you know,
Speaker 5: that Zimmer's gonna be all up in his stuff and
Speaker 5: he's gonna have to make some changes to his game.
Speaker 5: He can't be as easily moved as he was last
Speaker 5: season and the guys around him, which were lighter defensive
Speaker 5: line guys, And so I'm looking at zimmers defense and
Speaker 5: I'm sure from what he understands, the priority has to
Speaker 5: be trying to get that three tech, that big guy
Speaker 5: one tech, that big guy in the middle that can
Speaker 5: stop the run. But just as important as that, the
Speaker 5: linebacker position. You had no one that could step up
Speaker 5: and plug those gaps and stop the run. And you
Speaker 5: can go back as far as Arizona to see that
Speaker 5: it was linebacker play that really hurt us.
Speaker 4: So just just pulled up just a couple of linebackers
Speaker 4: of free Patrick Queen Baltimore Price Pro Bowler last year,
Speaker 4: Miami's Jerome Baker, free agent linebacker out there, Carolina Panthers
Speaker 4: Frankie Louvu twelve and.
Speaker 2: A half sacks the last two years.
Speaker 4: Jordan Brooks Seattle, twenty six years old for a first
Speaker 4: round pick, Levonte David Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: I'm not bad.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking about Leon, Yeah, him and Devin White was
Speaker 5: out there thirty four. Yeah, yeah, I mean no matter.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So so that is one. And this is the interesting
Speaker 4: thing I would say about about the line back. This
Speaker 4: is a this is an interesting Zimmer type call, Mike,
Speaker 4: what what is it you need?
Speaker 2: You know, what what is it you want? What is
Speaker 2: it you need? I agree with you. In terms of
Speaker 2: looking at.
Speaker 4: A linebacker in free agency, my biggest thing is if
Speaker 4: I even want to help the linebacker, A guy like
Speaker 4: Leonard Williams.
Speaker 2: Is gonna help your linebacker absolutely, So I'm trying to.
Speaker 4: Pluck that thing in there first, because if he's taking
Speaker 4: up some space and taking up some tackles, and then
Speaker 4: put him next to somebody like, oh so Diggy's now
Speaker 4: now my linebacker, and go get get work done. You know,
Speaker 4: ray Lewis was always able to do such great work
Speaker 4: because it was a Sam Adams and Tony Sarah Goose
Speaker 4: in front of me.
Speaker 2: He had guys with boom he could get there.
Speaker 4: So if I'm gonna help my linebacker, you know, I
Speaker 4: ain't gonna help my linebacker if I got slim fast
Speaker 4: MASI out there.
Speaker 2: That's my point. You don't have no who you're helping.
Speaker 2: You ain't got so.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of as it's a two full problem.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not like it's not one or the other,
Speaker 4: it's yes and yes day.
Speaker 5: I mean, And that's a hard comparison when you say,
Speaker 5: I mean, because that whole defense was molded around the
Speaker 5: way that Ray played and you had the I mean,
Speaker 5: you couldn't get but a four hundred pound guy in
Speaker 5: each one of those guys to allow Raid to scrape
Speaker 5: and run the way just our defense design wasn't like that,
Speaker 5: and I just felt it.
Speaker 2: It felt at times we got exposed.
Speaker 4: But now with Zim, it's going to be a different
Speaker 4: d just based off what you're saying, because what does
Speaker 4: he have of Minnesota got big boys and so that's
Speaker 4: where he had your Kendricks is out there and bar
Speaker 4: those guys. So that's that's where it's going to be
Speaker 4: different than DQ. And that part of it is where
Speaker 4: I think free agency has to play a part. You
Speaker 4: just can't wait on the draft. Some of these guys
Speaker 4: you got to get in here, plug him in. Maybe
Speaker 4: there's a barget basement prices like Lindel Joseph is available
Speaker 4: played for Mike. Yes he's older, but that's where I'm
Speaker 4: going to be very interested to see where they go
Speaker 4: and how they decide to get so.
Speaker 2: Much a free agency.
Speaker 4: To make it work has to be about how do
Speaker 4: you use the player? People want to just look at
Speaker 4: a player, now, how does that player use how does
Speaker 4: that coach use him?
Speaker 2: So I kind of go back to dere Derek Henry
Speaker 2: or Mike Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 4: Is he gonna use him the way you're gonna come
Speaker 4: and say, oh my gosh, you got Derrick Henry?
Speaker 2: Are you using right just as well? And I know
Speaker 2: your frustration. Okay, Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 4: Was Brandon Cooks used the way Brandon Cooks has been
Speaker 4: using his screer? No, that's the problem with all free agencies.
Speaker 4: Hey we signed so and so and such and such. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but he ain't doing what he used to do. That's
Speaker 4: what you gotta do. So for Mike Zimmer, as he
Speaker 4: looks at this defense, it's not what DQ's running.
Speaker 2: How do they give Mike the pieces?
Speaker 4: And we know Mike likes big defensive lineman because he's
Speaker 4: gonna try to stop them.
Speaker 5: And you may lose guys like Doriance Armstrong also a
Speaker 5: guy that was a tweeter that gave you some flexibility,
Speaker 5: and so I mean it's still there's still a lot
Speaker 5: of movie pieces, so you may be feeling these gaps
Speaker 5: solely based off of necessity.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be work. It's gonna be some work.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of fun as they try
Speaker 4: to figure out these pieces. And that's why we we
Speaker 4: cover this and it's gonna be a great time. So
Speaker 4: everybody enjoyed the league year coming up and what these
Speaker 4: deals are gonna be today and we'll talk about it
Speaker 4: all next week.
Speaker 3: Danny Craig birthday, boy, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Man Church will be back next week. Let's bring break
Speaker 2: is only one week.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he might be retired from after they
Speaker 4: come back. Well, we shall see.
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