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Speaker 1: This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're

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Speaker 1: who are played by actors.

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Speaker 2: Attention to the skier in the purple and white snowsuit, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you you can't ski in the downhill racing teams area.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get hurt. Please make your way safely to

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Speaker 2: the green trail.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Back in February nineteen eighty five, I'm on the ski

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Speaker 1: team at Mount Pine High School with my best friend Carla.

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Speaker 4: I mostly joined ski club in the hopes that I'd

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Speaker 4: get a boyfriend and we'd ride the ski lift together,

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Speaker 4: make out behind the grounds keeping shed, and drink hoot

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Speaker 1: At that time, being on those slopes was a nice

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Speaker 1: Don Cartwright's murder that happened six months before. We were

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Speaker 1: still thinking about it a lot.

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Speaker 4: But then there was this one Friday night. I remember

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Speaker 4: it so well. We had just gotten to the top

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Speaker 4: remember we looked at each other and said, oh no,

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Speaker 4: not again.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Clark. This is the Murder Years. Episode three, Daniel.

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Speaker 4: So it's February twenty second, nineteen eighty five, and we

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Speaker 4: were scared seeing all those police cars going by. So

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Speaker 4: I told my mom about it, wondering if she or

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Speaker 5: Turns out he did.

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Speaker 4: My mom said my dad called home and told her

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Speaker 4: some elementary school kids fell through the ice at Miller Lake.

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Speaker 1: Carla calls to let me know what she's learned about

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Speaker 1: all those police cars. Later, I hear the kid who

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Speaker 1: fell through the ice as eleven year old Mark Donahue,

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Speaker 1: a rowdy kid from a big family. He's at the

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Speaker 1: know the Donahue family. I used to babysit Mark. It's

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Speaker 1: older brother, Teddy, too. He's agreed to talk.

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Speaker 6: To be honest, I think I liked you more back

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Speaker 6: then than you like me.

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Speaker 1: That's fifty four year old Teddy Donahue today. Back in

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Speaker 6: So anyway, you gave me the let's just be friends speech,

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Speaker 6: which is always fun. But actually it was a blessing

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Speaker 6: because then I started dating Tina Matthews. She was a

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Speaker 6: great girl, bright red hair, a little awkward in her

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Speaker 7: Yes, where's your lunch?

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Speaker 8: You're wearing it.

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Speaker 1: Today Tina and Teddy are married and parents to twins

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Speaker 9: I'd known Teddy since kindergarten. Our parents were friends. They

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Speaker 9: went to mounta Pine High School together. Man, this town

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Speaker 9: is small anyway. The morning after we went to see

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Speaker 1: Pin Lanes has been opened since the nineteen forties and

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Speaker 9: I liked working at Lucky Pins. I would hand out

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Speaker 1: By midnight, the bowling Alley has cleared out and Tina

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Speaker 1: But what happens that night? No one sees coming.

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Speaker 8: Nine one one.

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Speaker 4: What's your emergency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the manager of Lucky Pins and you need

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Speaker 2: Well, I went to throw out the trash or dumpster

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Speaker 1: It's two thirty am when Mount Pine Police arrive on

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Speaker 11: Had a dead body and a dumpster didn't sound good

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Speaker 11: So I remember the first thing I saw as I

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Speaker 11: I then walked over to the dumpster and shined my

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Speaker 3: You know. There was all a victim face down.

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Speaker 11: In a pile of trash, his shirt slacked. I could

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Speaker 5: Back, Detective Peter says.

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Speaker 1: After officers photographed the victim in the dumpster, Peters allows

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Speaker 3: How victim was twenty two year old Daniel Walters.

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Speaker 1: Since graduating from Mount Pine four years earlier, Daniel Walters

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Speaker 1: Knew Daniel because he would buy alcohol for those of

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Speaker 11: This one, it was like three am or so, and

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Speaker 1: Robert Shields actually moved to Alaska after this. He agreed

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I told the detective what little I knew. I

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Speaker 8: He wasn't in our bowling elle that night, and well,

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Speaker 1: While crime scene investigators work into the early morning hours,

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Speaker 11: When I knocked on the door and was greeted by

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Speaker 1: Back in nineteen eighty five, Donald Walters is forty five

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Speaker 5: Today he's eighty two.

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Speaker 1: I actually couldn't believe he agreed to talk to me,

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Speaker 7: I'll never forget it. The detective was sitting across from

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Speaker 12: My son was dead. I was in shock.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm still in shock.

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Speaker 7: Honestly, even after all these years, it never really goes away.

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Speaker 7: Daniel was He was such a sweet boy. I never

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Speaker 7: After I found twenty feet off the ladder at work,

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Speaker 6: He was a sweet kid.

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Speaker 7: Listen, the last thing any twenty two year old wants

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Speaker 11: I asked him when he last saw his son. He

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Speaker 3: He said, nothing was odd about the last exchange.

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Speaker 11: I asked him delicately where he was that night, and

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Speaker 7: I told him I did not kill my son. I

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Speaker 11: The father didn't have an alibi, but he just didn't

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Speaker 3: So I asked him if.

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Speaker 11: He knew anyone who'd wanted to hurt his son, and

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Speaker 7: I told the detective to talk to Victor.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit after six am and Jerry's gas station

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Speaker 1: just opened. That's where Daniel worked with Victor Potts. Victor

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Speaker 1: who says, yeah, Daniel and Victor did not like each other,

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Speaker 1: not one bit. But Detective Peters can't talk to Victor

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Speaker 1: because he's called in sick. He's been out for several days.

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Speaker 11: Well, I remember thinking that was an interesting day for

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Speaker 3: Who answered the door identified himself as Victor Parts.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is Victor, and he actually looked sick. Victor

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Speaker 11: told me it was true. It was no secret he

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Speaker 12: I didn't care for Daniel, but he didn't care for

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Speaker 3: But Daniel hated him right back.

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Speaker 12: I nearly lost my job because of him.

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Speaker 13: He ratted me out because I was taking some old

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Speaker 11: He said Daniel ratted him out to the owner one

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Speaker 3: I remember this clearly because it rattled me a little.

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Speaker 13: No matter how much I hated that guy. I didn't

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Speaker 3: But I did.

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Speaker 11: And then he said, just kidding, just kidding, it's kind

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters confirms with Victor's roommate, he's been home sick

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Speaker 1: Victor Potts has an alibi. Not a strong one, but

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Speaker 1: an alibi. Nonetheless. Back at the Mount Pine Police Station,

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Speaker 11: So I remember we were going through all this trash

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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty five. Alan Rizzoli is in his mid sixties.

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Speaker 11: And I asked him about his business, and he mentions

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Speaker 8: And they broke into the basement, smashed the two cameras,

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters asks for the names and numbers of his employees,

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Speaker 1: all of which turns up nothing. Detective Peters finds himself

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Speaker 11: I knew I I needed to ask more questions about

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Speaker 3: Down to station. I mean, did I have a girlfriend?

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Speaker 11: Could there be some sort of love triangle stabbings are

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Speaker 1: An hour later, Donald Walters arrives at the police station.

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Speaker 7: I hadn't slept in what felt like days, and I

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Speaker 7: That was the hardest thing I ever had to do.

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Speaker 11: So I started by asking Walters about his son's personal life.

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Speaker 7: I told the detective that Daniel didn't have a girlfriend

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Speaker 3: Been like that for a while now.

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Speaker 7: But I told Detective Peters that Daniel was close to

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Speaker 7: him My brother, Eugene and Simone moved to Mount Pine

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Speaker 7: after Simone's mom died of cancer. Besides losing his wife,

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Speaker 7: Eugene had some issues, some struggles in life, so being

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Speaker 1: Back in nineteen eighty five, Simone Walters is fourteen years

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Speaker 3: Simone was very upset.

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Speaker 1: Today, Simone lives in Ohio. She was kind enough to

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Speaker 10: I remember how sad.

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Speaker 10: I couldn't believe it. I had lost my mother and

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Speaker 10: Daniel and I had just hung out that Friday night

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Speaker 10: was obsessed with that song, you Know You're the Inspurra.

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Speaker 10: Boat with me. You know, he was my cousin, but

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Speaker 11: When I questioned her, so, Mom said she couldn't think

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Speaker 11: of anyone who'd want to hurt Daniel. Then I asked

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Speaker 11: a toll on him. He was about six inches taller

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Speaker 11: much much weaker. Eugene agreed with Simon, he didn't know

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Speaker 11: anyone who'd wanted hurt Daniel. He said he was a

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Speaker 11: good kid. Eugene was a man of few words.

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Speaker 1: Two days later, the coroner comes out with her report,

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Speaker 1: which Detective Peters shares with me. Daniel Walters had been

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Speaker 1: stabbed thirteen times with a serrated knife, twice in the back,

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Speaker 1: ten times in his hands and arms, which were defensive wounds,

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Speaker 1: and the official cause of death was the thirteenth and

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Speaker 1: final piercing stab wound to his heart. And the stab

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Speaker 11: Look it had no leads, I was I was beyond

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Speaker 14: Police are asking for the public's help to catch Daniel

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Speaker 14: Walter's killer, offerating a five thousand dollars reward for any

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Speaker 3: Walter's body was found in.

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Speaker 14: A dumpster outside a Lucky Pin's bowling alley last Sunday.

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Speaker 14: He had been stabbed multiple times.

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Speaker 11: So the good news was the press conference work. Our

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Speaker 11: department received a lot of tips, and the most promising

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Speaker 11: tip came from a man who id'd the killer.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't coming forward just because of the reward.

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Speaker 1: I swear Carl Pfizer is no stranger around town then

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Speaker 1: or now. Then he was in his early twenties. He

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Speaker 1: mostly DUI's and public intoxication. There was also a domestic

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we knew Carl at the station. We knew him

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Speaker 11: all too well. He could be a nice guy, but

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Speaker 15: You know.

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Speaker 11: I didn't know what he could tell me about this case,

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Speaker 11: but I was open to hearing what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: I was skeptical.

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Speaker 1: Now today, Carl's totally cleaned up his act. He's married

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Speaker 6: Okay, I remember when I saw it was Detective Peters

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Speaker 6: who would be interviewing me.

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Speaker 12: I was pissed.

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Speaker 6: I should put it in nicer terms today, but back

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Speaker 6: then I thought the guy was a total dick. Anyway,

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Speaker 6: I told the detective I heard something about the robbery

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Speaker 6: that happened at Lucky Pins, and that there was maybe

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Speaker 6: job that was done by Dale Tompkins, a former employee,

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Speaker 6: and his brother Stewie, and they really messed up that

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Speaker 6: they beat him and stabbed him and the kids survived,

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Speaker 6: but has serious PTSD over the incident. He's got flashbacks

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Speaker 6: and he's been having trouble holding down a job ever since.

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Speaker 11: I asked all several questions, and yeah, I was going

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Speaker 11: recall didn't seem to have any real inful about Daniel's murder.

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Speaker 1: An entire month goes by with no new leads. My

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Speaker 1: Then a late night visit changes everything.

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Speaker 10: We had to talk to Detective Peters right away.

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Speaker 1: Daniel's cousin Simone and Daniel's father Donald are at the

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Speaker 7: I saw a Detective Peters and I was about to

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Speaker 16: My brother Eugene killed my son, and you need to

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Speaker 10: There were no words to describe the devastation. I was feeling.

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Speaker 10: My uncle was accusing my father of murder, and I

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Speaker 10: I were fighting. He said I didn't appreciate everything he's

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Speaker 12: And then.

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Speaker 10: He said he killed Daniel because he thought he was

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Speaker 3: Was he No, of course not.

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Speaker 10: I told my father he was wrong. Daniel wasn't doing

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Speaker 7: My brother had been institutionalized for mental issues in the past.

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Speaker 7: He was diagnosed with delusional disorder years ago, but he'd

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Speaker 12: I wanted to kill him.

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Speaker 11: I asked where he was, and Simone said the last

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Speaker 3: When we got there, he surrounded it and told him

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Speaker 11: Officers stormed the house, toppled him from behind, got him

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Speaker 12: That Saturday, Simone was at volleyball practice.

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Speaker 3: He kept talking.

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Speaker 12: Daniel came over to help him fix his car.

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Speaker 11: When Daniel finished, they went inside and Daniel washed his hands.

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Speaker 3: Then he asked to use the phone in the kitchen.

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Speaker 15: I overheard Daniel on the phone talking about this girl

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Speaker 3: He became enraged.

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Speaker 11: He grabbed a knife on the drawer, and when Daniel

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Speaker 11: Daniel turned around, they fought, and Eugene stabbed him until

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Speaker 11: He had a flat effect, no emotion at all. I

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Speaker 15: I put his body in a large stuffel bag, cleaned

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Speaker 15: I got tired and gave up looking for the perfect place,

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Speaker 11: He got tired and gave him looking for the perfect place,

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Speaker 12: And didn't see anyone around him. Put him in the dumpster.

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Speaker 3: I asked him what he did with the knife.

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Speaker 12: The knife is under my mattress.

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Speaker 11: Officers into his bedroom and came out holding a five

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Speaker 3: We had, Oh God.

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Speaker 1: Eugene Walters's charged with first degree murder seems like an

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Speaker 1: open and shut case, right. Nope, because Eugene cleads not

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Speaker 1: guilty by reason of insanity. Prosecutor Laura Wells is trying

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Speaker 1: the case for the state.

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Speaker 6: Eugene Walters claimed he had a mental break the moment

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Speaker 6: but he shouldn't be held responsible.

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Speaker 1: Remember, Eugene Walters has a history of mental breakdowns and hospitalizations.

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Speaker 1: The judge orders the psychological examination to find out if

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Speaker 1: when it does, Daniel's father, Donald and Simone are there

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Speaker 1: every day.

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Speaker 10: My dad was sick. What he did was crazy. I

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Speaker 10: didn't think he knew anything about what he did at

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Speaker 10: the time that he killed Daniel. And of course, I

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Speaker 10: still love my dad so much. I mean, he was

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Speaker 10: the only parent I had and I still needed him.

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Speaker 10: Uncle Donald didn't feel the same, of course, and my

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Speaker 10: sticking up for Dad definitely drove a wedge between me

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Speaker 10: and my uncle. I mean at the trial, we didn't

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Speaker 10: even we didn't sit together. We sat on opposite sides.

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Speaker 2: Of the courtroom.

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Speaker 10: I couldn't even look at him, he couldn't look at me.

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Speaker 12: It was just so sad.

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Speaker 1: Several witnesses are called for the prosecution, including doctor Sally Pope,

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Speaker 1: a psychologist and expert in the insanity defense.

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Speaker 5: The trial was audio taped.

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Speaker 7: Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth,

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Speaker 7: and nothing but the truth, So help you.

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Speaker 6: God, I do you may be seated.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Pope testifies that, yes, it is possible to have

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Speaker 1: a psychotic break.

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Speaker 17: Considering Eugene Walters has some history of mental illness, it

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Speaker 17: could be more likely to occur in him than someone else.

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Speaker 17: But what doesn't add up is he took the knife

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Speaker 17: out of the drawer and waited for Daniel to get

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Speaker 17: off the phone before stabbing him. That shows an acknowledgment

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Speaker 17: of potential consequences. He didn't want the person Daniel was

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Speaker 17: talking to to hear what he was about to do.

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Speaker 17: And then there's what mister Walters did after he killed

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Speaker 17: his nephew. He didn't call the police. He waited to

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Speaker 17: load Daniel's body into his car under the cover of darkness.

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Speaker 17: He cleaned up the scene and drove around for hours

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Speaker 17: looking for somewhere to dump him.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the list goes.

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Speaker 17: On and on.

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Speaker 1: The trial lasts for five days, then the jury goes

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Speaker 1: into deliberation. On day three, the jury four person sends

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Speaker 1: out a note saying they are deadlocked. The judge urges

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Speaker 1: them to try again. Two days later, the jury comes

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Speaker 1: back with a verdict guilty. Eugene Walters is sentenced twenty.

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Speaker 5: Five to life.

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Speaker 1: His brother is still torn apart.

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Speaker 12: It said to.

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Speaker 7: Say this then and now, because what we were all losers

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Speaker 7: in this.

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Speaker 12: I mean, nobody won.

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Speaker 7: I lost my son for God's sake, but in the end,

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Speaker 7: my brother got.

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Speaker 3: What he deserved.

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Speaker 10: My dad was going to prison for a very long time,

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Speaker 10: and I had nowhere to live. I didn't want to

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Speaker 10: live with my uncle Donald, so I went to live

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Speaker 10: with a friend in her parents and I went to

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Speaker 10: see my dad when I could, but it was so hard.

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Speaker 10: I really missed him, and God, I missed Daniel so

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Speaker 10: much it hurts.

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Speaker 1: So another one of us is dead and buried. Another trial,

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Speaker 1: another devastated family. It's all becoming too much. My friends

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Speaker 1: were as freaked out as I was.

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Speaker 12: I was scared. I mean I just kept feeling it

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Speaker 12: and saying it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm sure I was a broken record,

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Speaker 1: but I was really scared.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it was like, how many more of us

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Speaker 10: were going to die?

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Speaker 3: And who would be.

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Speaker 5: Next next time?

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Speaker 10: On the murder years, as a guy came in, he

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Speaker 10: pulled out a gun out of his coat, and he said,

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Speaker 10: to me, give me all the money.

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Speaker 1: Tragedy After the homecoming game.

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Speaker 12: She said I got freaked out and just shot it

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Speaker 12: was an accident?

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Speaker 1: Was it an accident? Or something more sinister? The Murder

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Speaker 1: Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia. Executive

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Speaker 1: producer Elisa Rosen for AYR Media, co executive producer Paulina Williams.

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Speaker 1: Written by Leah Rothman, directed by Michael Selditch. Original concept

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Speaker 1: developed in partnership with Anne, Margaret Johns and Greg Spring.

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Speaker 1: Casting by Eisenberg Beans Casting, Senior Associate producer Eric Newman,

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Speaker 1: Associate producer Jill Pushesnik. Editing and sound design by Tristan Bankston,

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Speaker 1: Mastering by Cameron Taggie, Audio engineering by Matt Jacobson, Studio

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Speaker 1: engineering by Jay Brannan. Music by Nathan Bankston. Legal council

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Speaker 1: for AYR Media, Janni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartMedia, Maya Howard.

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Speaker 1: Performances for this episode by Gabrielle Carteris as Nancy Clark,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Deadman as Tatiana, Borla Cassidy as Melanie, Marie, Silda

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Speaker 1: Garcia as Carla, April Adams as Prosecutor Wells, beau Kine

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Speaker 1: as Alan Rizzoli, bou Kine as Robert Shields Caroline Jania

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Speaker 1: as Bowling Ally Employee number two, Dathan B. Williams as

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Speaker 1: Detective Peters. Desiree Rodriguez is nine one one Operator Desiree

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Speaker 1: Rodriguez as court clerk, Jesse Hendrix as Tina Matthews, Justin

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Speaker 1: Marriconda as Young Robert Shields, Jessin Mariconda as resort intercomm announcer,

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Speaker 1: Joe Pichico as Bowling Ally Employee number three, John Ralston

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Speaker 1: Craig as Reporter number one, lisil copp A is Simone Walters,

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Speaker 1: Steve Felice as Teddy Donahue, Tom Virtue as Donald Walters,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Hopkins as Bowling Ally Employee number one, Tyler Hopkins

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Speaker 1: as Judge You, Donna dan Niels as Doctor Sally Pope.

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Speaker 1: Additional voices by Alex Salem.