WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #33

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the

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<v Speaker 2>crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison

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<v Speaker 2>Davis today I'm joined by Sophie Lecterman, Robert Evans, and

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<v Speaker 2>James Stout. This episode, we are covering the week of

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<v Speaker 2>September fourth to September eleventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Never wait, remember, wait, what never forget whichever one of

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<v Speaker 1>those were supposed to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had a very big news week already, and

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<v Speaker 2>then a very big piece of news happened yesterday, when

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<v Speaker 2>we usually record Executive Disorder, but this is Thursday. We

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<v Speaker 2>waited a little bit to get some more information before

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about this story, which'll probably be the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>story of the week, the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 1>So On Wednesday, September tenth, at Utah Valley University at

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<v Speaker 1>around twelve to twenty three pm Mountain time, Charlie kirk

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<v Speaker 1>was shot during a campus event. It was a big

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<v Speaker 1>outdoor event. The crowd, I mean, there's some good footage

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<v Speaker 1>of elevation of the size of the crowd it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like several thousand people who had shown up

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<v Speaker 1>to I think it did all. It seemed like largely supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was certainly a mix of supporters and protesters around.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Kirk was shot once from a distance of

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<v Speaker 1>I think the right now, the best estimate is around

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty yards. I mean, that's precise, not accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>because people are kind of basing it on just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like looking at the images and doing like maps,

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<v Speaker 1>the satellite estimation, right, right, But that does seem credible

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<v Speaker 1>based on what I've seen, about one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>yards or so, which is not long range. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>like short range. It's like low medium range for a rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>And they found, or at least the FBI is saying

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<v Speaker 1>they found the rifle, and the pictures show it to

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<v Speaker 1>be an extremely normal looking bolt action rifle. Kirk was

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<v Speaker 1>shot once in the neck. It hit his brain stem.

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<v Speaker 1>You can kind of tell by the way his arms

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<v Speaker 1>moved after he was shot, so he probably lost consciousness immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was declared dead about two hours later at

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital. But that's largely because that tends to be

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<v Speaker 1>how it's handled when somebody has shot like this, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't like to announce their death immediately, even if they

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<v Speaker 1>died immediately, Like that's just kind of it's best pret

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<v Speaker 1>you want to make sure you've contacted the family and

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<v Speaker 1>everything like that. So that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and his case of family were present I think

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<v Speaker 3>at at the event.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure some of them, but there's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like not ever, like they would have probably wanted, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt his parents or whatever were all there or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>like even if his wife and kids were sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, toty makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Yeah, those are the facts that we can verify,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's actually fairly little besides this other than some

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<v Speaker 1>time stuff that we can verify perfectly. Like they're currently

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<v Speaker 1>saying that about eleven fifty two a mountain time the

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<v Speaker 1>shooter arrived near campus, because they do have some videos

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<v Speaker 1>of the person they think was the shooter. There were

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<v Speaker 1>at least two people who were taken into custody right

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<v Speaker 1>after the shooting who proved not to be the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they were just grabbing people like it

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<v Speaker 1>did not they did not seem to be any good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them had a pellet rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>The first guy started shouting after the shooting. And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>do it again. And this prompted him to be detained,

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<v Speaker 2>but was later found to not be a legitimate suspect

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<v Speaker 2>in the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because he was right next to the shooting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>had no weapon, nothing. So I mean, those are the

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<v Speaker 1>facts as they stand right now. The photo that has

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<v Speaker 1>been released of the guy they think did it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like about eighty percent of the male population of Utah

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<v Speaker 1>clean shaven, but otherwise he looked just as nondescriptives like

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<v Speaker 1>this dude takes his hat off, maybe shaves his head,

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<v Speaker 1>like it would not be wildly difficult for him to

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<v Speaker 1>hide because he does not look like pretty greeny.

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<v Speaker 2>Picture is not as clear as something like the United

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<v Speaker 2>Healthcare CEO shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the FBI did offer a reward of up

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred thousand dollars for information.

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<v Speaker 2>We do know that, Yeah, which points towards the usefulness

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<v Speaker 2>of the tips they have been getting so far. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, the rifle is for anyone who's interested. It

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<v Speaker 3>looks they thought it was a Mauser.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it didn't look like one from the photos

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<v Speaker 1>that they released, but maybe that maybe that was yet again,

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<v Speaker 1>not the gun because the FBI has said a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things and then backtracked on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the New York Post has a pit sho of

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<v Speaker 3>a sporterized Spanish mauser with a composite stock. Have you

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<v Speaker 3>seen that one, Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the one I saw that. It looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a savage to me. But is that is that a

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<v Speaker 1>sportized eight millimeter that was rebarreled the thirty eight six?

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<v Speaker 3>That would be my guest, the Spanish mausers, you anyone

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<v Speaker 3>I'm aware of that the bolt turned down in that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Good idea, but that it's not a great picture. It

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<v Speaker 3>could also be something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it just looked like any hunting rifle on a

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<v Speaker 1>store rack the photo that I saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, No, I think it's someone who has done

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<v Speaker 3>a sported job on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What's somewhat interesting about that, like, other than just being

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<v Speaker 3>a dweeb, is that potentially one could acquire a gun

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<v Speaker 3>like that without having filled out forty four to seventy

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<v Speaker 3>three form right like an FBI background check. I know

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<v Speaker 3>they will if they have the weapon, they will certainly

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<v Speaker 3>be pursuing trying to trace that as one of the

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<v Speaker 3>ways they're trying to locate the shooter. Yes, so if

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<v Speaker 3>this person's either a relative could have acquired it before

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<v Speaker 3>it was necessary to do a forty four to seventy

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<v Speaker 3>three yes, or I think with curios and relics in

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<v Speaker 3>some states, or antique weapons, you don't have to do

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<v Speaker 3>a background check.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and you don't have to do a background check.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, face to face sales are I believe legal

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<v Speaker 1>in Utah. Yes, private face to face sales are legal

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<v Speaker 1>in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So if this guy bought basically, what that means is

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<v Speaker 1>if this guy just bought a gun in cash from

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<v Speaker 1>a dude, there's not a record of that, although said

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<v Speaker 1>dude might come forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>That said, the fact that this is a sportized old

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<v Speaker 1>mouser means this could be a gun that's put in

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<v Speaker 1>the family a while that he's sportized, in which case

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<v Speaker 1>there's absolutely no record of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, definitely, I'm guessing. I've seen people call it

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<v Speaker 3>a high powered rifle and stuff like. Just just be

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<v Speaker 3>aware it's kind of an old gun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an old gun. I mean, if it's thirty, If

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<v Speaker 1>it is thirty at six, I would say that's a

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<v Speaker 1>high power cartridge. H No, it is, that's a big

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<v Speaker 1>round but yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a full size rifle cartridge for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>People hunt deer with thirty at six all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an extremely normal hunting rifle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like probably top five most common kinds of rifle

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<v Speaker 3>for someone to have in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was bolt action hunting rifles my assumption as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I saw the video, because the guy fired

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<v Speaker 1>one shot, and it's relatively uncommon for people who are

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<v Speaker 1>shooting in mass crowded public situations like this to limit

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<v Speaker 1>themselves to a single round, which it just suggests number one,

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<v Speaker 1>like a bolt action, which I also thought was likely

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't leave any amo behind. And if he

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<v Speaker 1>was firing something like an ar, those can fling brass

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<v Speaker 1>so widely that you can't easily catch it, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're especially if you're trying to escape immediately after shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I would guess. I'm seeing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people online obviously conspiracy start. I'm seeing so many people

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<v Speaker 1>say like this had to have been a hit, This

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<v Speaker 1>was a professional, only a professional hit have done.

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<v Speaker 2>This Trump distracting from Epstein, this was the massage that

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<v Speaker 2>this was any number of unhinged theories around nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Event, And I will say, right now as pertains the

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<v Speaker 1>competence of the shooter. Anyone who had picked up a

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<v Speaker 1>gun for the first time couldn't have easily done this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I doubt this as someone who was new to firearms,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyone who like shot a deer once or twice

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<v Speaker 1>a year could have made this happen. Anybody who went

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<v Speaker 1>to the range, you know, once or twice a month

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, could have gotten competent enough to make

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<v Speaker 1>a shot like this very easily, very doable for like

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<v Speaker 1>hobbyist shooters, which there are many of in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and any other in Utah. I would be shocked

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<v Speaker 1>if like less than about eighty percent of the adult

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<v Speaker 1>male population of Utah could have made the shot. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You do not need like military training, You do not

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<v Speaker 2>need to be a veteran to make this shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's very irresponsible to see so many people,

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<v Speaker 3>like including people who are journalists, speculating like that. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I know that generally firearms are not covered well in

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<v Speaker 3>the US media despite being ubiquitous here, but like in

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<v Speaker 3>cases like this, it's okay no to no, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>better to be quiet if you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the other thing I guess we should get into

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<v Speaker 1>is in terms of the escape and what we know.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also not something that necessitates fucking Navy seal training, right, Like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a white, clean cut guy in fucking Salt Lake City.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a bag that you could hide your

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<v Speaker 1>gun in and you get down, maybe throw on a

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<v Speaker 1>different jacket or something like that over your shirt or

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<v Speaker 1>change shirt. It's walk away, get to your car, drive off,

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<v Speaker 1>very hard for them to track you. Saltlake said, He's

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<v Speaker 1>not New York. It's not blanketed in cameras, not like

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<v Speaker 1>New York. There's not a massive police presence for this rally,

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<v Speaker 1>and there certainly wasn't a massive police presence doing concentric

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<v Speaker 1>circles around the rally. This was not like a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>the President's in town and the Secret Service is walking

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<v Speaker 1>everything down for two.

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<v Speaker 2>Miles and Charlie's own security tends to stay close to

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<v Speaker 2>him at the event. They're not set up with giant perimeters.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because none of them expected something like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sure that Charlie Kirk has received threats before,

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<v Speaker 3>but yes, I mean, there's only so much a private

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<v Speaker 3>individual can do right in these situations.

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<v Speaker 2>He often wears a bulletproof vest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, really yeah, Yeah, There's only so much a private

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<v Speaker 1>individual can do, And there's only so much you can

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<v Speaker 1>do if you're holding an event outside. Yeah, like to

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<v Speaker 1>stop somebody who's got us a scoped rifle from getting

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<v Speaker 1>on top of a roof, right Like. I'm sure his

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<v Speaker 1>family is firing their current secuity right now, obviously, But

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know what they could have done, like

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<v Speaker 1>what his personal security could realistically have done, other than say,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do an event outside, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A few other notes that we should touch on on

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday morning, some unverified information related to the ongoing investigation

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<v Speaker 2>notes leaked online through fellow campus debater Stephen Crowder. Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Crowder shared an internal memo which contained unverified information, which reads,

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<v Speaker 2>in part quote atf another law enforcement located an older

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<v Speaker 2>model imported Mouser thirty odd six caliber bolt action rifle

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus.

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<v Speaker 2>The location of the fire room appears to match the

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<v Speaker 2>suspect's route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered,

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to three unspent rounds in the top fed

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<v Speaker 2>magazine all cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender

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<v Speaker 2>and anti fascist ideology unquote. So this claim linking the

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<v Speaker 2>shooting to transgender and quote unquote anti fascist ideology, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>that means, spread around the internet like wild, as expected,

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<v Speaker 2>though a few hours later, the New York Times reported

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<v Speaker 2>quote according to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the

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<v Speaker 2>Bureau of Alcohol tobacko Firearms and Exposives, federal and local

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<v Speaker 2>officials recovered ammunition with the shooter's rifle that appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>be engraved with statements expressing transgender and anti fascist ideology.

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<v Speaker 2>But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by

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<v Speaker 2>ATF analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted.

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<v Speaker 2>In fast moving investigations, such status reports are not made

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<v Speaker 2>public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and

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<v Speaker 2>inaccurate information unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes and again. When that person with the pellet ride

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested, Cash Betel, director of the FBI, posted on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the man who killed Charlie Kirk, and then

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<v Speaker 1>had to post like an hour later, Nope, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not a thing you saw with previous directors of the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for a good reason. Yeah, like that. The handling

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<v Speaker 3>of this has been pretty unorpthodox.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And I can see why a fucking Stephen Crowder

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<v Speaker 1>fan in the ATF would want to get that out

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<v Speaker 1>immediately totally, especially because he probably knew at some point

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to get corrected. But what matters is it

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<v Speaker 1>gets out for some degree of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then that bakes into the reality of a

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<v Speaker 2>certain number of people forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And that's what matters, whether or not it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't know yet is it true or not? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>We simply don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Heysus Garrison. This is just a short update. On Thursday evening,

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement gave a press conference where Utah Governor Spencer

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<v Speaker 2>Cox cautioned against quote unquote a tremendous amount of disinformation

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<v Speaker 2>circulate online about the killing of Charlie Kirk and specifically

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<v Speaker 2>cited bots from China and Russia which were encouraging violence

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<v Speaker 2>and instilling disinformation into discourse around the shooting. Now, while

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<v Speaker 2>there certainly have been many on the left who have

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<v Speaker 2>been joking or even celebrating this, shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, lots of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Rhetoric from the right has been similarly violent, with calls

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<v Speaker 2>to do mass violence or purge the Democrats or people

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<v Speaker 2>on the left. I'm going to play video of the

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<v Speaker 2>White House released late Wednesday night of Trump giving a

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<v Speaker 2>statement on the shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a long past time for all Americans and the

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<v Speaker 4>media to confront the fact that violence and murder are

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<v Speaker 4>the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree,

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<v Speaker 4>day after day, year after year, in the most hateful

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<v Speaker 4>and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical

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<v Speaker 4>left have compared one for Americans like Charlie to Nazis

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<v Speaker 4>and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind

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<v Speaker 4>of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're

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<v Speaker 4>seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.

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<v Speaker 4>My administration will find each and every one of those

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<v Speaker 4>who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence,

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<v Speaker 4>including the organizations that funded and support it, as well

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<v Speaker 4>as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials,

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<v Speaker 4>and everyone else who brings order to our country. From

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<v Speaker 4>the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year,

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<v Speaker 4>which killed a husband, and father, to the attacks on

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<v Speaker 4>ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive

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<v Speaker 4>in the streets of New York, to the shooting of

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<v Speaker 4>House Majority leaders Steve Scalise and three others. Radical of

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<v Speaker 4>political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken

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<v Speaker 4>too many lives.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump assassin was not left wing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, now, he was a registered Republican.

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<v Speaker 2>There's currently no indication of the political alignment of this

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<v Speaker 2>shooter whatsoever. Just because they killed Charlie Kirk does not

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<v Speaker 2>mean that this was a left wing ANTIFA super soldier.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk has had a memafied status on the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>for the past few years, which has encouraged vitriol and

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<v Speaker 2>threats from those on the extreme right as well as

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<v Speaker 2>the far left.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's particularly disliked by like the hardcore anti Semites

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<v Speaker 3>on their right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gropers have long had fun with making threats against

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk in the quote unquote groper war, which we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have time to get into. But it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's worrying statement there promising a degree of crackdown. Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>Waters on Fox has claimed, quote, We're gonna avenge Charlie's death. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a clip of Jesse Waters on Fox News last night.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump gets hit in the ear, Charlie gets shot dead.

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<v Speaker 5>They came after Kavanaugh with a rifle to his neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 5>They went after Musk's cars. They just shot two Jews

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<v Speaker 5>outside the embassy.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about it.

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<v Speaker 5>Schlice got shot, barely survived.

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<v Speaker 1>It's happening.

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<v Speaker 5>We've got transshooters, we got riots and la They are

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<v Speaker 5>at war with us. Whether we want to accept it

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<v Speaker 5>or not, they are at war with us.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we going to do about it?

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<v Speaker 5>How much political violence are we going to tolerate? And

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<v Speaker 5>that's the question we're just going to have to ask

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<v Speaker 5>ourselves now. Charlie would want us to put as much

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<v Speaker 5>pressure on these people as possible. Dana nailed it. This

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<v Speaker 5>is unacceptable and has to stop, and it has to

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<v Speaker 5>stop now.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody's accountable.

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<v Speaker 5>And we're watching what they're saying on television and who's

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<v Speaker 5>saying what the politicians and the media and all these

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<v Speaker 5>rats out there. This can never happen again. It ends now.

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<v Speaker 5>Greg's right again, this is a turning point, and we

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<v Speaker 5>know which direction we're going.

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<v Speaker 1>He made a turning point Joe huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's Jesse Waters doing a turning point time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so the use of rats to refer to other

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<v Speaker 3>people's I know he's giving like radio mil Collan vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also worth noting Republican Representative Clay Higgins from Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>is saying that he's seeking to have social media companies

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<v Speaker 1>place lifetime bans on users who celebrated the assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just Jesse Waters calling for war. Other commentators

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<v Speaker 2>are employing very similar rhetoric, including Alex Jones and Steve Bannon.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in a war.

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<v Speaker 4>The Latins was saying, put a bullsa on trumpet bulls

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<v Speaker 4>on his supporters.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>Chaia Wricheck tweeted on the lips of TikTok account quote

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<v Speaker 2>this is war. The oas Keep founder Stuart Rhodes announced

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<v Speaker 2>on Info Wars that his militia would be reforming to

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<v Speaker 2>help with security at right wing events.

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<v Speaker 1>Mat oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a good Wired article Wednesday night, which collected

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<v Speaker 2>various calls to violence among the right in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 2>of the shooting. Quote Ed Martin US pardon attorney and

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<v Speaker 2>former acting with Stornay for DC wrote on Twitter, quote

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<v Speaker 2>for it is written, vengeance is mine. I will repay,

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<v Speaker 2>says the Lord. Citing Romans. Twelve nineteen, Elon Musk posted

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<v Speaker 2>the left is the party of murder, then quoted a

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<v Speaker 2>post blaming the left wing and mainstream media, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as figures like Gavin Newsom for radicalizing people against right

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<v Speaker 2>wing figures like Kirk Kitty Miller, who works with Musquet

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<v Speaker 2>Doge and is the wife of Stephen Miller, wrote on

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<v Speaker 2>x that even liberals condemning violence quote have blood on

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<v Speaker 2>their hands. You could be. Next. Influencer and unofficial Trump

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<v Speaker 2>advisor Laura Lumer posted on Twitter, the left are terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Ruffo, a conservative activist who popularized the demonization of

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<v Speaker 2>critical race theory, suggested in a Twitter post that the

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<v Speaker 2>radical left responsible for the shooting and urged the US

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<v Speaker 2>government to quote infiltrate, disrupt, arrest, and incars rate all

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<v Speaker 2>those who are responsible for this chaos unquote. There's many,

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<v Speaker 2>many more. This is after the right has long celebrated

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<v Speaker 2>certain types of political violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, constantly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like that old guy in Panama who shot a

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<v Speaker 2>protester blocking the street. The entire right rallied behind that man.

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk himself has embraced Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot and killed

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<v Speaker 2>two people after a plastic bag was thrown in the

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<v Speaker 2>direction of Kyle Rittenhouse. Kirk was vocally supportive of the

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<v Speaker 2>man who tried to attack Nancy Pelosi in her home

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<v Speaker 2>and did attack pol Pelosi.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, specifically specifically urged his audience to bail him out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like not even two months ago that Minnesota

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<v Speaker 2>state senator and her husband were killed. Political violence exists

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<v Speaker 2>across the spectrum. This is not a left wing problem.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an American problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the vast majority of political of like terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>attacks that are politically motivated in the US are right

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<v Speaker 1>wing like and have been for the last several decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Per the FBI, in.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty twelve to twenty twenty one, fifty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of murders tied to political extremism came from white supremacy

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen percent, anti government six percent to other right wing

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<v Speaker 2>twenty percent, Islamist four percent left wing, and the white

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<v Speaker 2>supremacy fifty five percent are far right Nazis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of like, who did this? Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we touched on Grouper's a little bit. We should probably

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<v Speaker 1>talk a bit more about the kind of online feud

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<v Speaker 1>between a chunk of Nick fuintes Is fan base and

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>It was certainly more prominent a few years ago. As

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk has himself has moved further to right, has adopted

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<v Speaker 2>great replacement theory, the feud kind of dissipated, but it

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<v Speaker 2>certainly was like a legitimate thing in the right for years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, to the extent that that a number of folks

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of have suspected that like maybe that's who

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<v Speaker 1>did it again, we really have no idea. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>bringing this up to make the point that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of reasons why this guy could have done this,

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<v Speaker 1>why this person could have done this, including could be

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<v Speaker 1>an Epstein related thing. Right, there's a lot of anger

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<v Speaker 1>at figures who kind of bought into the Trump line

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<v Speaker 1>that we're done now with the Epstein stuff. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>way to know, and I think that's kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>we have to end that part of our discussion here

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<v Speaker 1>is we don't know why this was done, and to extent,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter if it comes out tomorrow that this

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<v Speaker 1>guy was like a White House staffer working for Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump who did it because he thought Charlie Kirk could

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<v Speaker 1>disre Like if some crazy shit like that happened, it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't change at all the way that they're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this shooting, like it just doesn't matter, Like we are

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<v Speaker 1>where we are with them, and they're saying a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the same stuff like that. This is an escalation

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<v Speaker 1>in rhetoric, but it's not a massive escalation in rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>over the way they've been talking about fucking the people changing, like.

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<v Speaker 2>The cracker barrel logo logo, we have to go to war.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go to war, We're at war.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about that when you said that, like

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<v Speaker 3>the lips of TikTok had tweeted that we were at war,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you could probably go back and see dozens of

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<v Speaker 3>other instances almost exactly the same statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And is this something that could lead to mass

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<v Speaker 1>Could this be because I've seen people comparing this guy

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<v Speaker 1>like Charlie Kirk to Horst Wessel, who was a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>literally a PEMP that was a member of the Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>brown Shirts who was murdered, and it became a huge

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<v Speaker 1>rallying cry for the Nazi Party, right, they made a

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<v Speaker 1>song about him. It was a big deal. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a very silly comparison. For one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Horse Wessel is meaningful because he was killed before the

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis came to power, and they used his death in

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<v Speaker 1>order to get to power, and Trump is in power.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not aware, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't need to invent excuses either to like crack down

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<v Speaker 2>on the left or no, or carry out their policies.

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<v Speaker 2>They're already doing that. I've seen people go into complete

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<v Speaker 2>panic modecause they're gonna be like, they're gonna use this,

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<v Speaker 2>this this shooting to to now do terrible things, as

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<v Speaker 2>if they're not already doing terrible things, Like they don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to wait for events to happen. They are more

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<v Speaker 2>than willing just to do whatever they want when they

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<v Speaker 2>want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is that is exactly like the the That's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what I would tell you. And in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>like comparisons, I don't even think it's super useful to

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<v Speaker 1>try to compare this to specific figures from fucking German history,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really that's America in twenty twenty five. Yeah, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>viral TikTok of a man talking about the Book of Mormon,

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<v Speaker 2>like like seconds after the shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Standing next to where Kirk died, and we now know

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<v Speaker 1>that he stole a bunch of shit from the booth

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<v Speaker 1>that was covered in blood to sell it online. Like

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 1>this is this is all of the books the American Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't find anything like that in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like I better historical comparison we will see, right,

0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:04.600
<v Speaker 3>might be Jose Carvo Sotelo Leku, whose death did immediately

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 3>sort of was one of the things that accelerated the

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.879
<v Speaker 3>start of the Spanish Civil War, I guess, yeah, But

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.399
<v Speaker 3>even then, like no one was tiktoking and grabbing much

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 3>that was stained by his blood.

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<v Speaker 1>No, And there's no you can like say, like, oh, well,

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:23.080
<v Speaker 1>this figure's assassination preceded this kind of violence, but like, okay,

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.359
<v Speaker 1>was that figure a guy who did what Charlie Kirk

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 1>did and was connected in the way Like no, Like

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.639
<v Speaker 1>this is an American thing, this is new ya, this

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 1>is a novel, his moment in history, and we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going to happen. I'm not saying, don't you

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 1>know if you were if you're the kind of person

0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>who has been worried about right wing violence accelerating. You

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be less worried right now, and I think that's

0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>a good thing to be worried about. There's been a

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 1>spree of bomb threats called into like historically black colleges

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:56.360
<v Speaker 1>today and BNC headquarters last I checked. I don't think

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 1>anything actually has been done, but it makes sense. It's

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>an angry from the right. You know, you've got some

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.880
<v Speaker 1>people who woke up piste off this morning and decided

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>to call in some bomb threats. Apparently we'll see you

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.680
<v Speaker 1>know who the culprits were there. But I didn't want

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to touch on something else that I've seen in the

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:15.199
<v Speaker 1>wake of all this that is pretty novel. But we

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:29.880
<v Speaker 1>should do an AD break first, all right, coming back,

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:32.240
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to talk briefly about the way AI is

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:38.639
<v Speaker 1>being used by civilian investigators to try and crack this caper.

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>People have been using AI to enhance the images that

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the FBI released of the maybe shooter. Again, we don't

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>even know that that guy's a shooter because they fucked

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 1>up very badly on this initially, but people have been

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>using to like clarify and we know that the AI

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>is doing a bad job because again he's wearing a

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>distinctive shirt. People found the shirt online and when the

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>AI was like solidifying the image on the shirt, it

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 1>did it wrong, Like it put like a silhouette of

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>a man on there that wasn't on there, like it like.

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 2>You can also submit the same image to like five

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 2>different AI imaging programs and get five wildly different results

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>for what the face quote unquote looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just brought that up because I haven't seen

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that happen before with one of these things. And it

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, okay, cool, that's a fun new.

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:26.479
<v Speaker 2>This is going to be something we'd have to deal

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>with now for every single right preceding event in absolutely, yes,

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 2>whatever this hellscape of the American Century of humiliation looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. The other thing I wanted to bring up is

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<v Speaker 1>within about like two to three hours after Kirk was killed,

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and after again it had been announced that he was dead,

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>people were asking Grock is this video? Because the video

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>was spreading wildly of him dying on everywhere. Really, but

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>people asked on Twitter, they asked groc elon Musk's AI,

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.880
<v Speaker 1>is this real? And the response that was posted initially

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was Charlie Kirk takes the roast in stride with a laugh.

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 1>He's faced tougher crowds. Yes, he survives this one easily.

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>And then someone responded, Groc, he got shot through the neck.

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about? And Grok responded, it's a

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 1>meme video with edited effects to look like a dramatic shot,

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>not a real event. Charlie Kirk is fine, he handles

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 1>roasts like a pro. So again, I bring this up

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>just because this is going to only become more of

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a factor in the immediate wake of shootings and terrorist

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>attacks and disasters. Is people going to AI's for information

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>about the validity of videos, about the validity of threats.

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>And what scares me is not this didn't do any damage, right, Like,

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't didn't hurt the man hunt for the killer.

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>It didn't like do anything. It's just ridiculous. But let's

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>say you've got videos of a disaster ongoing, I mean,

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>like a fucking natural disaster coming or whatever, and people

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>are being told to leave their homes and somebody asks,

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>fucking Groc, hey do I need to hear I'll plug

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 1>this video and it'll tell me if the storm's going

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 1>to hit my house or if I can stay here,

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>people are gonna do shit like that, like that's gonna happen. Yeah,

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you're right anyway, just his heads up.

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Ah, that's bleak. Yeah, that's pretty terrible.

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 6>All right.

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 1>Well that's I think all we got to say on this.

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll keep updating you is we learn more. I'm

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.000
<v Speaker 3>sure this will developing over the weekend.

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is going to keep being a major story. Well,

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we'll do a dedicated episode on it next week.

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Something else that happened on Wednesday, the same day as

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>the Charlie Kirk assassination, was a school shooting in Colorado.

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Two students were shot before the shooter killed himself. Police

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>have said, quote, we are looking at him mode if

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>we don't have one yet. He was radicalized by some

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>extremist network and the details of that will be down

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>the road, And we wanted to give you that much

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>about maybe a mindset for him. Unquote.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it's just a marking

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of what kind of shootings Americans are adneured to, and

0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>not school shootings that's business as.

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Usual, especially if it's just a regular white male teenager.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, We'll be kind of following that one as

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 3>well to see what it's online radicalization was that they Yeah,

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 3>they've already found so early. But yeah, it's pretty tragic

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 3>that two school shootings happened in a day.

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>It was reported in multiple outlets last week that the

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Department of Justice was considering restricting gun ownership rights for

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 2>transgender Americans in the wake of the Minneapolist Catholic school

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>shooting last month. This was first reported by the Diggity Wire,

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>who quoted the source inside the Justice Department saying quote,

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.479
<v Speaker 2>Individuals within the DOJ are reviewing ways to ensure that

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell unquote. CNN

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>said that their sources described the proposal for a transgun

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:02.239
<v Speaker 2>ban as quote prelimin in nature, and since then, the

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>DOJ and the Trump administration have not made any clear

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>statements confirming or denying this reporting. A DOJ spokesperson acknowledg

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>THEES reports with the statement, reading, quote, the DOJ is

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>actively evaluating options to prevent the pattern of violence we

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>have seen from individuals with specific mental health challenges and

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>substance abuse disorders. No specific criminal justice proposals have been

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 2>advanced at this time. Unquote. Trump declined to answer a

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.239
<v Speaker 2>question about a possible transgun ban last Friday. This is

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>something right wing influencers have been advocating for years now.

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>On September fifth, the NRA made a statement reading, the

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Second Amendment isn't up for debate. The NRA supports the

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Second Amendment rights for all law abiding Americans to purchase, possess,

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and use firearms. The energy does not and will not

0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>support any policy proposals that implement sweeping gun bands that

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 2>arbitrarily strict law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment rights

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>without due process.

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Yep, which is consistent with the NRA messaging four years

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>because the.

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.479
<v Speaker 2>Lion is the recent messaging. Definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean the line has been for as long

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>as I have been a gun owner, which is twenty

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>years now from the NRA that after the.

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Civil Rights movement.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, registration and like laws forcing people to register

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>their guns, and like gun control laws in general are

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that restrict at all access to firearms are a prelude

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>inevitably to mass confiscation. Right, Like that has been the

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that has been the line for a long time.

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 2>This does not surprise me.

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, the stance doesn't. The fact that they said

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>something publicly during this does because the NRA has been

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>quiet a lot when there's an issue, like, for example,

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>that the shooting the Filando Castile right, who was legally

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>carrying a concealed firearm when the police murdered him in

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>his car. They kept pretty fucking quiet about that. So

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I am a little surprised that they said something. But

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 1>what they're saying is is very consistent with other shit

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>they've been saying.

0:31:56.560 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's no current legal mechanism that exists for them

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>to do this. They would have to invent or heavily

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>alter the current way that gun rights can be taken away,

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>which is right now through individual court cases where a

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 2>judge finds an individual person quote unquote mentally deficient. And

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it's highly unlikely that the gun lobby will support any

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>policy proposals that start adding certain diagnoses to a list

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>that excludes you from gun ownership, because sure, if you

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>add gender dysphoria, now that might not be a huge

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>problem to many on the right. But let's say a

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Democrat administration and Democrat House and Senate come into power.

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Now there was this precedent that you can add diagnoses

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>to take away gun rights, which would enable adding things

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>like depression or PTSD, which a lot of veterans have.

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And this is like the slippery slope that the NRA

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 2>warns about, So it makes sense that they would be

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 2>taking this stance. Similarly, I don't necessarily see a very

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 2>clear path for them to like rest strict HRT through

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>this mechanism. SIS people, including a lot of men who

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:10.320
<v Speaker 2>own guns, take testosterone and CIS women take estrogen, so

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>that would be a very tricky way to handle this.

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I think the only way they could again would be

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 1>if they try to restrict en mass like the prescription

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of hormones specifically to people with gender dysphoria or trans people,

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>which is difficult for a lot of reasons, but would

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>provide it like a pretext for Okay, these people are

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>now taking stuff an illegal substance, and you can go

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>after people with guns for that. But I feel like

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you would judicate that how you

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like force Like the federal government does not theoretically have

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the ability to force the medical community to say nobody

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 1>who's got gender dysfoia gets hormones.

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Ever again, Yeah, I mean, you could maybe do something

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 3>through the FDA, but I don't see how you could

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 3>do it just to trans people and.

0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>How right, like, how would you keep it legal for

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>all of Joe Rogan's friends, and that's just like through

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the FDA, right, I don't I literally just don't know.

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not super familiar with that.

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 2>But this is obviously something that we will keep an

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>eye on. This is this is like a possibility that

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>we've discussed the right wanting to enact for years now,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that the DOJ might even have some

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>people in there who are doing preliminary considerations. It obviously

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>is a worrying sign of the general position on trans

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>rights and transgun rights.

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for our immigration update this week, I want to

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.959
<v Speaker 3>start by talking about the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 3>confirmed in its case that CBP and more permanently ICE

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 3>can continue their policy of racial profiling. This overturned a

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 3>lower court judges ordered that prohibits them from stopping someone

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 3>in Los Angeles based on ethnicity alone. It didn't just

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 3>look at ethnicity. It said that it prohibits them from

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 3>using either one or a combination of four factors, which

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 3>were apparent race, the accent or they use for non

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 3>English language, their job, Their jobs that tend to have

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 3>a higher proportion of undocumented people. Right, they get construction

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.440
<v Speaker 3>and some agricultural jobs. And their presence at a certain

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 3>place again right, places like a home depot or a

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 3>farm garrison. Smiling at how I correctly pronounce the word depot. There,

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.319
<v Speaker 3>CBP has always been able to profile you at the border. Right,

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of what they do. There was a nineteen

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 3>seventy five Supreme Court decision that one's called USA versus Brignion.

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>I think it's BRIDNIONI like Italian Brigni ponce. That decision

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 3>looked a roving traffic stop uppearing lives in San Clemente,

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 3>And in that case, the CBP had stopped someone not

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 3>a checkpoint, but while sitting by the side of the

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:49.760
<v Speaker 3>highway in their vehicle, and they had done so solely

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 3>based on the apparent ethnicity of the driver. That was

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 3>ruled unconstitutional, and the standard that offices needed to have

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 3>was quite reasonable. Suspicion that pertains to roving stops, which

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 3>is kind of what ICE is doing in la right.

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 3>CBP officers have also previously been sued, more recently for

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 3>using a language as to sol basis for detention, like

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 3>if you're speaking Spanish, yeah, exactly, that was the case, right,

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 3>it's pudo and Hernandez versus US Customs and Border Protection.

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.479
<v Speaker 3>That one was in Montana. The ACLU of Montana sued

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 3>them to Spanish speaking ladies were speaking Spanish in a store.

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 3>They actually said hello to a border drill agent in

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 3>the English who proceeded to detain them on the basis

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 3>that not many people speak Spanish in Montana. I think

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 3>the name is from Spanish, like Montagna, but maybe I'm wrong.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>The State Department has also issued guidance that non immigrant

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 3>visa applicants can now only schedule interviews in their own country.

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 3>So this is a further burden for people seeking visas

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 3>to come to the United States. Right previously, you could

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 3>do it at another US embassy or consulate. For instance.

0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you were let's say French but resident

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 3>in Spain, you could apply at the consulate or embassy there.

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Right now you have to go to your country's embassy.

0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 3>In some cases, there are designated embassies or consular places

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 3>for for national states where the US has no embassy

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 3>or similar presence, like a US hasn't got an embassy

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.840
<v Speaker 3>in Afghanistan right now for pretty obvious reasons, right, So

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's such Lama bad for those people, for example. Finally,

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 3>I want to get onto the case of the dozens

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 3>of watermelon children who came to the US and accompanied

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:34.280
<v Speaker 3>by adults they are related to, and who the Trump

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.760
<v Speaker 3>admin attempted to deport over the Labor Day weekend. Sometimes

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't like the phrase unaccompanied miners because maybe they

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 3>are accompanied by someone who's just not in their family,

0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.800
<v Speaker 3>right that people have taken care of them on the journey,

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.719
<v Speaker 3>almost certainly, and I've seen this myself, and so I

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 3>don't know the idea that then they're not just walking alone,

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 3>but they are not with their relatives, right if undertaking

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 3>this journey themselves. So Judge Sparkle supn Nan temporarily halted

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 3>their removal in the early hours of Sunday morning of

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Labor Day weekend. This is an extremely unusual decision, right,

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 3>but the judge decided it was warranted because not doing

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 3>so would put the children in potential extreme danger. The

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 3>government categorically attempted to remove these children, like very quickly

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 3>and literally got them out of bed, right. We got

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.960
<v Speaker 3>these little children out of beds in their foster homes

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 3>and attempted to shove them on a plane to Guatemala.

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Their attorney literally ran onto the tarmac at the airport

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 3>to tell flight control personnel that they were likely in

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 3>violation of a court order. They allowed the plane to

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>take off like it couldn't be more last minute than this, right,

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.439
<v Speaker 3>they were literally working all night. Judge Tim Kelly now

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 3>has to rule on the legitimacy of the government's claims.

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 3>The claim the government makes here is that it was

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 3>quote reuniting children with parents abroad, not deporting them, and

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 3>that would mean the children don't have the statutory protections

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 3>that they do if it were being as quote unquote

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 3>unaccompanied miners. Right. Previously, the government had made the claim

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 3>that the children's parents wanted them to be returned. It's

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 3>dropped that claim after Reuter's published a watermelon government document

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 3>which completely refutes that none of the children's parents seem

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 3>to want them to come home. So what the government

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 3>is claiming here is that the Office of Refugee Resettlement,

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 3>which is under HHS is moving the children, not the

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 3>Department of Homeland Security. So they're not being deported, they're

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 3>being reunified with their families. Yeah, that's a pretty sketchy claim. Meanwhile,

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 3>the kids are in shelters. Many of them were in

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 3>long term foster care and have been now removed from

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 3>that environment and they're in shelters. Law Fare, which is

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 3>an online publication, has a pretty good account of the

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 3>courtroom exchange that I've linked in the notes. I also

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 3>several people have asked about this, so I should talk

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.720
<v Speaker 3>about it. I wanted to talk about the Hyundai plant

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:02.359
<v Speaker 3>in Georgia. I don't know what to call this raid. Yeah,

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 3>in Georgia. I guess raid is the right word. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Like more than three hundred South Korean workers were attained

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.239
<v Speaker 3>at the plant. They should be going home today. They

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 3>were supposed to go home yesterday, but there were some delays.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 1>So far.

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 3>IS has claimed that these people were working without proper

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 3>authorization and slash or but not in the US with

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:28.520
<v Speaker 3>proper authorization, their lawyers have claimed, and The Guardian has

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>foundly documents that confirm that many of them had B

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>one visa status. B one is like you can do

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 3>some work on a B one. It also can be

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 3>just some extended term tourist visa and you can do

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 3>certain jobs but not other jobs, and you still get

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 3>paid at home where you were on a B one,

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.680
<v Speaker 3>which seems to be what these people were doing. Right.

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>They can supervise construction on a B one, but you

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.479
<v Speaker 3>can't do construction, and it would make sense for people

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 3>who are very expert in the construction of these highly

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.400
<v Speaker 3>technical buildings to supervise their construction.

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 2>It seems that they were in the country to supervise

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the setting up of this car plant.

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 6>Correct.

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, most South Koreans can also get est visa waivers,

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 3>which like it's not exactly the same, but it's kind

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 3>of a ninety day be one visa. So there are

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 3>some people who cannot, right, like if they have been

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 3>cremated of crimes in such that they'd have to go

0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 3>through to be one process. But it seems very unlikely

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 3>at least that that they were not in the country

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:29.240
<v Speaker 3>without any documentation, because like that would be a stranging

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 3>to do when they can get a est visa waiver.

0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 3>What's really weird about this is the state of Georgia

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 3>has invested millions, if not billions in bringing this plant

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 3>to Georgia. Right, it has created a significant economic boost.

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Something like ninety percent of the products that go into

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 3>the car come from there. So there are lots of

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 3>small businesses and local businesses that have started up to

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 3>provide this factory with the goods it needs. You know,

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 3>there are all the other services that come with that, right,

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Like it's economic benefit to the region. I know the

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>state has spent more than three hundred million on improving

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 3>the roads. Apparently they've deepened ports in some regions to

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 3>allow larger, larger ships to arrive. It's bought in over

0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 3>twelve billion investment, more than eight thousand jobs, It's received

0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.800
<v Speaker 3>massive tax breaks. It's going to total over two billion

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:27.280
<v Speaker 3>dollars according to reporting the arling to in the notes. Yet,

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Georgia State Police blocked off roads as part of the raid,

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:36.399
<v Speaker 3>and it was Georgia Department of Corrections buses that took

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 3>people away. This seems an odd choice for Kemp. Brian

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.799
<v Speaker 3>Kemp right, Georgia governor. He's not Trump's favorite. Maybe he's

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 3>trying to become Trump's favorite. But previously even Republicans in

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Georgia have been very behind this, I mean, Garrison, you

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.840
<v Speaker 3>lived in Georgia for a bit, right, This was a

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 3>thing that the Republicans has support. Is a way to

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 3>revitalize a place where there wasn't much economic opportunity before.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, and this follows the whole point of Trump's tariffs.

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>If you're trying to bring, yeah, manufacturing to the United States,

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:10.600
<v Speaker 2>you have these specialized workers to help supervise the construction

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>and managing of equipment. They get this plant up and running.

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>And even if you're even if you're doing that, even

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 2>if you're bringing manufacturing back to the States, somehow you

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>still get bitten. Yeah, big time bitten by the Trump horse.

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, I mean it does.

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 3>It does sort of line up with this working closer

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:31.440
<v Speaker 3>to the Feurer hypothesis, right that you have these counter

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 3>valent impulses and everyone's just trying to do things that

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 3>they think Trump will like, and kind of sometimes those

0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 3>can directly contradict each other, as is happening here. There's

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.759
<v Speaker 3>not really a coherent policy platform.

0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 2>No, they're they're just so focused on trying to get

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 2>like the base numbers up, like going to get the

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 2>number of deportations higher than it's ever been.

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and therefore, and you have this this sort of

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 3>series of impulses which motivate Trump is and one of

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 3>which is deport as many people as possible.

0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Another is broadly written, bring manufacturing jobs back to America,

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 3>but not if foreign people are helping supervise the construction.

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 3>I guess understandably, South Careera is very upset. More so

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 3>I think because these are like middle class professionals who

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 3>have been detained. Right, they appear to have negotiated a

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 3>voluntary departure for these people, which it's not like a

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 3>voluntary departure like you came on told they disneylanded, you're

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 3>going home on the plane. It can still have long

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.360
<v Speaker 3>term consequences. But the hope there is that it won't

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 3>make it harder for these people to get US visas

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:32.760
<v Speaker 3>in the future. They have to come back, because obviously

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be very hard for this company to

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 3>build a plant in Georgia if they can't bring any

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 3>of their staff to Georgia. Yeah, that is about all

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I have. I'm going to keep looking, especially this Georgia story,

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:48.320
<v Speaker 3>see if it develops any further, and if it's worthy

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 3>of a whole episode, we'll do a whole episode on that.

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Georgia, the long delayed copp City reco case

0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:01.319
<v Speaker 2>has finally made some progress in the court. I have

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.959
<v Speaker 2>been working on the final scripted piece of my Coppa

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 2>City coverage for basically this whole summer. I've been slowly

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 2>chipping away at it. Part of the reason why I

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 2>have not finished that yet is because essentially the whole

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 2>court case, like the sixty one defendant reco case, got

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>reset in May. They changed judges, and that has delayed

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.040
<v Speaker 2>an already long delayed case even further. So I was

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>waiting to see a little bit of the results of

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the court case, or at least get a better indication

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 2>where the court case is going to go before I

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>finish that final piece. And we're going to get that

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 2>final piece out probably in the next six month or

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 2>two here, but I will give this small update because

0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty substantial. This past Tuesday, September ninth, the defense

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>successfully argued that the State Attorney General's office did not

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>have the jurisdictional authority to prosecute the sixty one defendants

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>under the state's reco statute. This was due to simple

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 2>procedural error in neglecting to first ask Governor Brian Kemp

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 2>if the AG's office could prosecute the case. Judge Farmer

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 2>found that the AG does not have the authority to

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 2>prosecute Count one of the Rico indictment, which is the

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>racketeering and conspiracy charges affecting sixty one people. So without

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the sweeping Rico charges in golfing the sixty one defendants,

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 2>just five defendants would be left with Count two of

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 2>the indictment, the domestic terrorism charges, which the AG does

0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>have the authority to prosecute, and Count three, which is

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>the arson charge, which Judge Farmer indicated could be thrown

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>out on a similar technicality as the racketeering and conspiracy charges.

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 2>This is still heavily in flux. The prosecution is going

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to appeal this decision, and it's unclear how this ruling

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>will affect how the rest of the cop City case

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 2>will unfold, as removal of the Rico charges kind of

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>undermines the rest of the indictment. On Wednesday, they were

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>arguing about the constitutionality of George's domestic terrorisms, which has

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>never been tested in courtse before, so a lot of

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 2>this case is currently up in the air. But this

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 2>is a positive sign for the defendants at this point.

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 2>One brief RFK Junior update. I guess r f K

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Junior is soon to be released. Autism report from HHS

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>is reportedly going to include the claim that use of

0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>tailanol during pregnancy could cause autism in children. Jesus, this

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>is not believed to be true by reputable medical authorities.

0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>But the report is set to release sometime in September.

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>It was announced like months ago when r f K

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Junior said that by September we will finally know the

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:47.760
<v Speaker 2>cause of autism quote unquote, And it seems the report

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.840
<v Speaker 2>is still churning away but set to be released this month,

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:53.279
<v Speaker 2>and it will include a few other claims, which we

0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 2>will report on in more detail once the report is

0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:58.280
<v Speaker 2>actually out. But the Wall Street Journal got this little

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 2>heads up about the hilan all inclusion in the report.

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 3>Fantastic. So I heard from somebody who is waiting on

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 3>their work permit, a Kurdish woman who came to the

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 3>United States to claim asylum from Turkey from Northern Kurdistan.

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 3>And because she doesn't have a work permit yet and

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 3>she's gonna be waiting for her work permit sometime, she's

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:23.399
<v Speaker 3>asking for help to cover her basic sort of day

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 3>to day expenses. And this is a thing that people

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 3>often find themselves in a situation. Right, they have come here,

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 3>done all the documentation, but it can take a long

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.240
<v Speaker 3>time to get their work permit, and without friends or family,

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 3>it can be very hard for them. The website is

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:43.360
<v Speaker 3>gofund dot me slash DA thirty nine F seven D

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<v Speaker 3>zero B. Will have that link in the show notes

0:48:47.280 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 3>as well. If you'd like to email us, you can

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.359
<v Speaker 3>do so. The way to do it is to reach

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.640
<v Speaker 3>out to cool Zone tips at proton dot me. That

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.839
<v Speaker 3>is an encrypted email address. All that means is that

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 3>you will have to all so you use an encrypted

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 3>email adress if you'd like it to be to end encrypted.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and here's some ads. We're back and uh,

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's time to drop some bars about Jeffrey Epstein.

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Somehow Epstein has returned.

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:31.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that joke. It always gets old. So one

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 1>of the big pieces of news this week before the

0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 1>thing that we started the episode with, I mean, this

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>was the story before that happened, is that as a

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:44.000
<v Speaker 1>result of the ongoing investigation into Epstein and whether or

0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 1>not you know how involved was Trump? How involved were Democrats?

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 1>What do we care that the book, the first fifty

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:56.280
<v Speaker 1>years birthday book, that that drawing that Trump is accused

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:59.799
<v Speaker 1>of having done where he signed his name as the

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 1>p Big Care of a very obviously young girl with

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a poem that seemed to hint at child molestation. That

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the whole book that Epstein had has has been released

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to Congress and is now public. Right, Yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats on the House Oversight Committee subpoena the Epstein birthday

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Book from Jeffrey Epstein's estate once the estate made a

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 2>statement saying that they have the book and wouldn't cooperate

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 2>with a subpoena.

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>And there's a bunch of news articles summarizing it. If

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you want to read the thing for yourself, just google

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.919
<v Speaker 1>document cloud Jeffrey Epstein fiftieth Birthday Book, and the whole

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:36.480
<v Speaker 1>thing isn't there?

0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:36.719
<v Speaker 3>Yah?

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.160
<v Speaker 3>I would say, like just that kind of slight devotion.

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:43.360
<v Speaker 3>I guess between this and Charlie kirk shooting, maybe you

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.360
<v Speaker 3>don't need to give yourself a break.

0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 1>You don't saying you should. I just wanted to let

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:50.800
<v Speaker 1>people know where they can get to the original source

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.160
<v Speaker 1>if they don't want to have it mediated by.

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.760
<v Speaker 3>A media, right, It's always good to do that.

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 1>We're going to mediate it for you now. Yeah. So

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:01.839
<v Speaker 1>it opens, as far as I can tell, the first well,

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's there's a list of contents. The prologue

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 1>is written by Gailand Maxwell. Then there's letters from the family,

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Paula Seymour and Marco I guess you're relatives. Then it's

0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 1>split into Brooklyn. So there's friends of his from Brooklyn

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:19.239
<v Speaker 1>who are Warren Eisenstein, neutral, I don't know who that is,

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Terry Kofka. Very funny that there's a Kafka involved, doctor

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Levy, and Michael Buekols. The next section is all girlfriends.

0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 1>They're letters from girlfriends. All of those names have been

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 1>blacked out for reasons that should be obvious. The section

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>after that is children. God almighty, I don't know whose

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:40.799
<v Speaker 1>kids because this is blacked out too, but oh boy. Yeah,

0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and then we get to the section that is friends.

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 1>That is all the letters from friends, and the friends

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 1>are Leon Black is on there, Bill Clinton is on there,

0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Alan Dershowitz is on there. The dersh himself.

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Is the letter is really unsettling.

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Donald Trump is in there. We'll get to that

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.080
<v Speaker 1>in a second. Donald Trump is in there, obviously these

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.360
<v Speaker 1>are not. Morton Zuckerman is on there, Leslie Wexner is

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>on there. So a number of like very prominent people.

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Unknown is at the very end. I don't know like that.

0:52:10.920 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 1>That's like literally how the book listed it. So they

0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just have a letter from someone who's presumably his friend

0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>but didn't put a name.

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's a smart move if you're doing things

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 3>you have federal crimes.

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.800
<v Speaker 1>And then after that you've got the letters from scientists

0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>friends of his, which include people we brought up on

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.479
<v Speaker 1>my episode about a bioscience company who pretends that they're

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 1>cloning dire wolves and Martin Noak are both on here,

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 1>so that's great, Oh good. And then after that I

0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 1>just noted girlfriends is like the third group of people

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 1>who had letters, and all those names were blacked out.

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But then under science there's another section that's girl dash

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>friends that's longer, and all of those names are blacked out.

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 1>No fucking idea what that is supposed to meet? Yeah,

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:59.320
<v Speaker 1>but upsetting, it's no good whatever it is. Yeah, Anyway,

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.040
<v Speaker 1>there's some more names on there, but they're not super relevant,

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Gilan Maxwell's prologue is handwritten, or at least the note

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 1>in front of it is handwritten. I know you will

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.520
<v Speaker 1>enjoy looking through the book, and I hope you will

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:15.959
<v Speaker 1>derive as much pleasure looking through it as I did

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 1>putting it together for you. Happy birthday, Love, Gilan Maxwell.

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:24.279
<v Speaker 1>So that's the prologue. One of the first pictures, I mean,

0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the first picture in the book is Jeffrey Epstein's standing

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 1>around with a bunch of soldiers. They look like, I mean,

0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I would guess from some African country. They're all in

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a camo pattern that's not immediately familiar to me. And yeah,

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't fully read what it says down here. Some

0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:45.360
<v Speaker 1>of the line say something about a president and the

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Secret Service to greet you. I don't know who these

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:50.759
<v Speaker 1>soldiers were that Jeffrey's standing around. I kind of want

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to know, but it's a weird photo to start. And

0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 1>then immediately after that is Jeffrey Epstein's cub scout graduation photo.

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>They've got that in. There's a bunch of like pictures

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>of Epstein throughout his life, Like that's kind of how

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this thing opens before we get down to the letters. Yeah,

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:09.279
<v Speaker 1>one thing I wanted to get at there. So there's

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 1>on page fifty seven there's a photo of Jeffrey Epstein

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 1>wearing a weird shirt with a bunch of handprints on

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.839
<v Speaker 1>it when he was younger. That's just titled girls on

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>My Boat. We picked up girls on beach, went out

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:22.360
<v Speaker 1>on boat. I tell them with knife in my hand

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to take suits off, but Warren tells me, don't worry.

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 1>His name is Jahann. He's just joking. He lives at

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>so and So. I tell Mark to throw him into water.

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.440
<v Speaker 1>He did no idea what the fuck that's about. But

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of it's like that is like very

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 1>upsetting stories that are handwritten crudely, I think, and often

0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 1>by Gillan. But yeah, it's it's like pretty deeply upsetting stuff. Okay,

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I do kind of want to read this Bill Elks letter.

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.760
<v Speaker 1>It just starts with it's no secret that Jeffrey appreciates

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>beautiful women that not many people know. He can create

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:56.799
<v Speaker 1>them in a thin whay air, as he did in

0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Iowa in nineteen eighty eight.

0:54:59.320 --> 0:55:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Good to give a play time discuss fixings that are illegal.

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this guy says that he was managing the money

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 1>of a family who lived in Fairfield, Iowa. Hog farming

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.400
<v Speaker 1>is a serious industry there, and many people feel there

0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:13.800
<v Speaker 1>is more than a little truth in the saying that

0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to tell the difference between the girls and

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 1>the hogs in southeast Iowa. Jeffrey came to Fairfield to

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>check in on their investigation on their investment opportunities. He

0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:25.239
<v Speaker 1>asked about the night life and we could only laugh

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 1>as we dropped him off at the local motel. The

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>next morning or before of us picked up Jeffrey to

0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 1>give him a tour of the area. At our first stop,

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>we parked in front of a bookstore. As we were

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:34.600
<v Speaker 1>getting out of the car, a spectacular, tall, blonde woman

0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 1>suddenly came out of the store, walked directly up to

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey and announced, I am new to this area. What's

0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>going on? It turns out she was a sales representative

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 1>for a firm solling academic brand and athletic clothing. She

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was literally driving through Iowa visiting local campuses. Jeffrey invited

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.000
<v Speaker 1>her to join us and did his magic. Within a

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>few hours, he had invited her to return to New

0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.520
<v Speaker 1>York with him for the weekend. Yeah, a lot of

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:59.959
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. We should probably read Dershowitz's letter.

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:03.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we sack, Yeah, you can do that.

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, here's Dershowitz's Who was that man with Epstein? Is

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 1>the title of the letter. Inquiring minds are asking, who

0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:13.759
<v Speaker 1>is that man with Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein is, of course,

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 1>one of the world's most famous men, a household name

0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.120
<v Speaker 1>throughout the planet. His picture has appeared on the cover

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.480
<v Speaker 1>of every magazine in the world. Everyone knows his story,

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 1>from his humble roots on Coney Island to his rise

0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to one of the most envied public figures in the

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Western world. But what is he doing flying to Africa

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:30.319
<v Speaker 1>with an obscure former politician from Hope, Arkansas? Who is

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that politician? And why would Epstein have picked him for

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the coveted seat on his private jet. Vanity Unfair was

0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:37.319
<v Speaker 1>determined to get to the bottom of this mystery man

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and to reveal the story behind the story. Normally, we

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 1>would not pry into the private life of an obscure

0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas politician, particularly when he has tried so hard up

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 1>to now, so successfully to keep his private life to himself.

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:49.719
<v Speaker 1>But the moment this scire man stepped under the Epstein jet,

0:56:49.800 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>he became fair game for probing inquiry. Why would a

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 1>man like Epstein, who can pick and choose his companions

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>from princes to professors, select a flying companion from the

0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Ozark Mountains. To be sure, he was a Rhodes scholar,

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:00.799
<v Speaker 1>but we all know how easy it is to get

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 1>a roads if you're from Arkansas. There must be something else.

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Vanity Unfair decided to snoop around as obscure politician reluctantly

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.320
<v Speaker 1>agreed to be to an interview on the express condition

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that it was completely off the record. This is what

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 1>he told us, and then it's blank. The letter ends.

0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:19.000
<v Speaker 2>It comes with a note yes, reading dear Jeffrey. As

0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.320
<v Speaker 2>a birthday gift to you, I managed to obtain an

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 2>early version of the Vanity Unfair article. I talked them

0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:28.880
<v Speaker 2>into changing the focus from you to Bill Clinton, as

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 2>you will see from the enclosed excerpt. Halfy birthday in

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:31.920
<v Speaker 2>best regards.

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a fake Vanity Unfair article. Yeah or cover? Yeah?

0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:39.440
<v Speaker 1>That who is Jack the Repper?

0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Was it?

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein? Al Qaeda in South America financed by Epstein.

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart in another courtroom dispatches it's

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.560
<v Speaker 1>like really crudely animated. But yeah, yeah, I mean it's

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>what do you even say? Oh, there is a quote

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>on the Vanity Fair cover attributed to Epstein that says

0:57:57.040 --> 0:57:58.840
<v Speaker 1>life is a pure flame and we live by an

0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.760
<v Speaker 1>invisible sun within us. So I guess that's a Jeffrey

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Epstein original.

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Wow, how profound.

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Before we talk about the Trump letter, there's this one

0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:09.560
<v Speaker 2>other image I didn't like to discuss. This what I

0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 2>can only described as a grooming themed drawing Oh God,

0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:17.520
<v Speaker 2>yeah to him as part of its birthday card, depicting

0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein in nineteen eighty three giving balloons in a

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 2>lolly pomp to three young children girls like children, children.

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 1>And importantly, his pockets are turned out out and the

0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>pants he's wearing are like patched and old. He's clearly

0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>poor in this. In nineteen eighty three, by the way,

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.640
<v Speaker 1>he was working as a tutor and a teacher, like

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:40.520
<v Speaker 1>he was teaching kids at private schools. Like, so that's

0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:41.520
<v Speaker 1>what's represented here.

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.120
<v Speaker 2>The other section of the drawing is in two thousand

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:48.560
<v Speaker 2>and three and has Jeffrey Epstein sitting on the beach

0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.920
<v Speaker 2>with four women touching his body.

0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>One woman is very clearly touching his genitals and has

0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Je tattooed on her ass.

0:58:57.760 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Epstein's jet is flying a.

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>You know it's his jet because the actual in number

0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 1>of his real jet is written on the side of

0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the jet.

0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.439
<v Speaker 2>And on the beach he is on a lawn chair

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 2>outside of what sort of resembles Trump's mar Lago resort

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the architectural style, the arched doorways, the

0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.000
<v Speaker 2>tiered structure and lay out of the palm trees, and

0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the beach. This building does not match his house in Florida,

0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 2>or his house in the Southwest, or his house on

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 2>the island, which appears very different with blue roofing. I'm

0:59:34.720 --> 0:59:38.040
<v Speaker 2>not saying this necessarily is mar A Lago, but if

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I were to try to draw mar A Lago from memory,

0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 2>it might look something like this. There's certainly a resemblance

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 2>which is notable.

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should talk about literally. The next photo from

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:55.360
<v Speaker 1>this is a picture of Jeffrey Epstein holding a check

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 1>for twenty two thousand dollars to him from Donald Trump.

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 1>There's three people posing next to him. One of them

1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:06.240
<v Speaker 1>is a woman whose face is blacked out. There's also

1:00:06.280 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>another woman with her face blacked out behind them. But

1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the man who's sitting next to the woman at what

1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 1>looks like a dinner table does not have his face

1:00:13.200 --> 1:00:15.720
<v Speaker 1>blacked out. I don't know why. And it says on

1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:18.640
<v Speaker 1>this Jeffrey is showing early talents with money and women

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<v Speaker 1>sells fully depreciated. And then the name of the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who is being sold is blacked out to Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty two five hundred dollars. Showed early people skills too.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I handled the deal, I didn't get any

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<v Speaker 1>of the money for the girl.

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<v Speaker 2>So pretty sickening joke.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, genuinely like nauseating literally, yeah, like him holding

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<v Speaker 3>up a check Donald Trump gave him for a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a fake novelty check signed by someone's not Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>just someone signing Donald Trump, not Donald Trump's signature. But

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<v Speaker 2>people joking. It's a bit about Jeffrey selling a woman

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<v Speaker 2>to Trump for twenty two five hundred dollars? Was this

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<v Speaker 2>a fully depreciated?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the phrasing us it's a phrase, yes, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's fucking disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we get down to the original Trump letter,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've talked about on the show. We've read it

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<v Speaker 1>to you. This is the one where Donald says it's

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<v Speaker 1>framed as a conversation between them, and Donald says, enigmas

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<v Speaker 1>never age. Have you noticed that anyway? The only thing

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<v Speaker 1>noteworthy about this is now we have the drawing of

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<v Speaker 1>the woman. It's drawn around the script, and it's i

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<v Speaker 1>would say, pretty clearly a pubescent girl. Like there's breasts

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<v Speaker 1>drawn on.

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<v Speaker 2>Their breasts do not look fully developed, and they do

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<v Speaker 2>not look they're not large like no, and the position

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<v Speaker 2>of them is higher. They look like underdeveloped breasts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it looks like a drawing of a young girl,

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<v Speaker 1>like of a child.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so much more creepy than anyone who like tried

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<v Speaker 2>to draw what this might have looked like, has like

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<v Speaker 2>previously imagined like they were all drawing you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>conventionally attractive like adult female bodies. This is much more creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I will say, it doesn't look like his signature

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<v Speaker 1>is meant to be pubic care here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in a similar position. But you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a very abstract drawing. His signature is just his first name, Donald,

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<v Speaker 2>which he signs a lot of personal notes with, not

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<v Speaker 2>his full Donald Trump's signature. Trump is maintaining that he

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<v Speaker 2>did not sign this, that this is a forgery. He

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<v Speaker 2>is unaware of this letter, even though the signature matches

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<v Speaker 2>other signatures from him around this time. And this just

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<v Speaker 2>feels like a very Donald Trump thing to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and is worded similarly to how he talked about women

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<v Speaker 2>in this era. He now makes statements being like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't talk this way all my everyone who knows me

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<v Speaker 2>knows I don't talk this way. And if you watch

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<v Speaker 2>like clips from Donald Trump in the early two thousands

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<v Speaker 2>talking about women, it is this type of language. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it is very gross. Yeah, Like everyone remembers the Howard

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<v Speaker 2>Stern clip, like come on.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, oh yeah, No. It's also worth noting one of

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<v Speaker 1>the last things in the book is recipe for like

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<v Speaker 1>chuck chip cookies. I tried to figure out who put

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<v Speaker 1>the recipe in there, but their name is blacked out.

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<v Speaker 1>They're right under Henry Rossofski and right above Les Wexner.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who put that chocolate chip cookie recipe

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<v Speaker 1>in here, but I might try to make those cookies

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein biscuit.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't eat this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A few other things before we close this episode related

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<v Speaker 2>to Epstein. On September, fifth House Speaker Mike Johnson told

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<v Speaker 2>reporters that Trump was actually a secret to FBI informant

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<v Speaker 2>tasked with taking down Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't heard it did a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'm saying that what Epstein did as a hoax.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a terrible, unspeakable evil. He believes in himself when

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<v Speaker 7>he first heard the room where kicked them out of Milvago.

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<v Speaker 7>He was an FBI informant to try to take this

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<v Speaker 7>stuff down. The President knows and has great sympathy for

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<v Speaker 7>the women who suffered these unspeakable arms. It's detestable to them.

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<v Speaker 7>And I've spoken about this as recently as twenty hours ago.

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<v Speaker 3>This should be documents that could that could corroborate that.

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<v Speaker 3>One would I one thing Detember eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnson walked back his FBI informant comments, telling reporters

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<v Speaker 2>he was referring to what Epstein victims attorneys has said

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump was quote willing to help law enforcement to

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<v Speaker 2>go after the guy who was a disgusting child abusers

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<v Speaker 2>at trafficker, all the allegations. That's what they heard. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if I use the right terminology, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>common knowledge and everybody knows that I was repeating what

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<v Speaker 2>has been common knowledge for a long time. The President

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<v Speaker 2>was helpful in trying to get Epstein for the law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement to go after Epstein. Unquote, great stuff from Mike Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>A day later, White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump was not, in fact an FBI informant. One

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<v Speaker 2>other weird Epstein story from this week is how the

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<v Speaker 2>DOJ has been beefing with James O'Keefe's Project Veritas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Project Veritas did a operation against a DOJ employee in

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<v Speaker 2>which they recorded him say this, and those files do exist.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, thousands and thousands of page of five Jill Redact

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<v Speaker 6>that every Republican or conservative person in those files leave

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<v Speaker 6>on the liberal Democratic people in those files.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they visited that Maxwell person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also.

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<v Speaker 8>Involved got transferred to a minimum security person series, which

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<v Speaker 8>is against bop Posey because she's she's a committed sex mner.

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<v Speaker 8>The offering or something to keep about.

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<v Speaker 9>Se That was the acting Deputy Chief of the Office

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<v Speaker 9>of Enforcement Operations, Joseph Schnitt, telling a stranger about the

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<v Speaker 9>FBI and DOJ's handling of the Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 2>The DOJ responded to O'Keefe saying, quote, Joseph Schnid had

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<v Speaker 2>no role in the department's internal review of Epstein materials.

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<v Speaker 2>He has confirmed as much to leadership, and we plan

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<v Speaker 2>on publishing his written statements to that effect when we

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<v Speaker 2>have it. In his words, the comments he made were

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<v Speaker 2>based on quote what he learned in the media, and

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<v Speaker 2>he has quote no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Miss

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<v Speaker 2>Maxwell other than what was reported in the news unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Schnid used the Department of Justice X account

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<v Speaker 2>to post a what it could be described as like

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<v Speaker 2>an Apple Notes apology statement with thirty percent battery displayed

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<v Speaker 2>on his phone. When he talks about he talks about

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<v Speaker 2>meeting a quote woman named Skyler on Hinge, a dating

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<v Speaker 2>app in July twenty twenty five. Her profile is no

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<v Speaker 2>longer findable. We had two dates. She gave no clues

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<v Speaker 2>that she was a reporter or recording car dates. Had

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<v Speaker 2>I clue, the first date would have ended immediately and

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<v Speaker 2>there would have never been a second one. My profile

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<v Speaker 2>indicated I did quote unquote government work, but did not

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<v Speaker 2>specify for which agency. I never discussed what I do

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<v Speaker 2>at DOJ. The comments I made were my own personal

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<v Speaker 2>comments on what I've learned in the media and not

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<v Speaker 2>from anything I've done or learned via work. Incredible the

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<v Speaker 2>United States government, everybody. Yeah, and James O'Keeffe out there

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<v Speaker 2>with the journalism first trap. I guess I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>it's I is it a one party consent?

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<v Speaker 3>This is in d C, right, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't believe DC is one party consent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that I would be shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how o'keef pulls all this stuff off legally.

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<v Speaker 1>He could get in trouble for this one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. My understanding would be just to be clear for

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<v Speaker 3>people who aren't in on the jargon. Like in most

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<v Speaker 3>states of the Union, I think you need both people's

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<v Speaker 3>consent to record a conversation. You could argue, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy sitting out there,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think this is very clearly a clandestine recording.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, sorry, d DC is a one

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<v Speaker 1>party consents area. Dan, Okay, well there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Okay, I did ye. I did not know that, yep,

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<v Speaker 3>So well he's safe. Yeah, I guess if that date

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<v Speaker 3>was in DC, you got to look. If the date

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<v Speaker 3>was in DCT of jurisdictions around there bumping up. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's surprising. No, he's good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's all we have for this week,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a lot. This was a massive news week.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an extra long episode, but sometimes that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Congratulations on making it this far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and may every day be a new wonderful secret.

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