1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: newscast covering what is happening in the White House, the 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: Davis today I'm joined by Sophie Lecterman, Robert Evans, and 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: James Stout. This episode, we are covering the week of 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: September fourth to September eleventh. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Never wait, remember, wait, what never forget whichever one of 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: those were supposed to do. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: So we had a very big news week already, and 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: then a very big piece of news happened yesterday, when 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: we usually record Executive Disorder, but this is Thursday. We 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: waited a little bit to get some more information before 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: we talk about this story, which'll probably be the biggest 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: story of the week, the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: So On Wednesday, September tenth, at Utah Valley University at 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: around twelve to twenty three pm Mountain time, Charlie kirk 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: was shot during a campus event. It was a big 19 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: outdoor event. The crowd, I mean, there's some good footage 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: of elevation of the size of the crowd it was. 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: It looked like several thousand people who had shown up 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: to I think it did all. It seemed like largely supporters, 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: but there was certainly a mix of supporters and protesters around. 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, Kirk was shot once from a distance of 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: I think the right now, the best estimate is around 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards. I mean, that's precise, not accurate, 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: because people are kind of basing it on just sort 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: of like looking at the images and doing like maps, 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: the satellite estimation, right, right, But that does seem credible 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: based on what I've seen, about one hundred and fifty 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: yards or so, which is not long range. That's not 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: like short range. It's like low medium range for a rifle. 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: And they found, or at least the FBI is saying 34 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: they found the rifle, and the pictures show it to 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: be an extremely normal looking bolt action rifle. Kirk was 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: shot once in the neck. It hit his brain stem. 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: You can kind of tell by the way his arms 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: moved after he was shot, so he probably lost consciousness immediately, 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: and he was declared dead about two hours later at 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: the hospital. But that's largely because that tends to be 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: how it's handled when somebody has shot like this, they 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: don't like to announce their death immediately, even if they 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: died immediately, Like that's just kind of it's best pret 44 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: you want to make sure you've contacted the family and 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: everything like that. So that's what happened. 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and his case of family were present I think 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: at at the event. 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure some of them, but there's yeah, 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: like not ever, like they would have probably wanted, Like 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: I doubt his parents or whatever were all there or whatever, 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: like even if his wife and kids were sure. 52 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, toty makes sense. 53 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, those are the facts that we can verify, 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: and there's actually fairly little besides this other than some 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: time stuff that we can verify perfectly. Like they're currently 56 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: saying that about eleven fifty two a mountain time the 57 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: shooter arrived near campus, because they do have some videos 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: of the person they think was the shooter. There were 59 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: at least two people who were taken into custody right 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: after the shooting who proved not to be the guy, 61 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: and I think they were just grabbing people like it 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: did not they did not seem to be any good reason. 63 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: One of them had a pellet rifle. 64 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: The first guy started shouting after the shooting. And I'll 65 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: do it again. And this prompted him to be detained, 66 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: but was later found to not be a legitimate suspect 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: in the shooting. 68 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: No, because he was right next to the shooting. Yeah, 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: had no weapon, nothing. So I mean, those are the 70 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: facts as they stand right now. The photo that has 71 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: been released of the guy they think did it looks 72 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: like about eighty percent of the male population of Utah 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: clean shaven, but otherwise he looked just as nondescriptives like 74 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: this dude takes his hat off, maybe shaves his head, 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: like it would not be wildly difficult for him to 76 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: hide because he does not look like pretty greeny. 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: Picture is not as clear as something like the United 78 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO shooting. 79 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the FBI did offer a reward of up 80 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: to one hundred thousand dollars for information. 81 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: We do know that, Yeah, which points towards the usefulness 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: of the tips they have been getting so far. Exactly. 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the rifle is for anyone who's interested. It 84 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: looks they thought it was a Mauser. 85 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: I guess it didn't look like one from the photos 86 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: that they released, but maybe that maybe that was yet again, 87 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: not the gun because the FBI has said a lot 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: of things and then backtracked on it. 89 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, the New York Post has a pit sho of 90 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: a sporterized Spanish mauser with a composite stock. Have you 91 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: seen that one, Robert. 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: Yes, that's the one I saw that. It looked like 93 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: a savage to me. But is that is that a 94 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: sportized eight millimeter that was rebarreled the thirty eight six? 95 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: That would be my guest, the Spanish mausers, you anyone 96 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: I'm aware of that the bolt turned down in that way. 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: Good idea, but that it's not a great picture. It 98 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: could also be something else. 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: Because it just looked like any hunting rifle on a 100 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: store rack the photo that I saw. 101 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I think it's someone who has done 102 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 3: a sported job on it. 103 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 104 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 3: What's somewhat interesting about that, like, other than just being 105 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 3: a dweeb, is that potentially one could acquire a gun 106 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: like that without having filled out forty four to seventy 107 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 3: three form right like an FBI background check. I know 108 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: they will if they have the weapon, they will certainly 109 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: be pursuing trying to trace that as one of the 110 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: ways they're trying to locate the shooter. Yes, so if 111 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: this person's either a relative could have acquired it before 112 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: it was necessary to do a forty four to seventy 113 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: three yes, or I think with curios and relics in 114 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: some states, or antique weapons, you don't have to do 115 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: a background check. 116 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: No, and you don't have to do a background check. 117 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, face to face sales are I believe legal 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: in Utah. Yes, private face to face sales are legal 119 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: in Utah. 120 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: Okay. 121 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: So if this guy bought basically, what that means is 122 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: if this guy just bought a gun in cash from 123 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: a dude, there's not a record of that, although said 124 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: dude might come forward. 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 3: Sure. 126 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: That said, the fact that this is a sportized old 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: mouser means this could be a gun that's put in 128 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the family a while that he's sportized, in which case 129 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: there's absolutely no record of it. 130 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, definitely, I'm guessing. I've seen people call it 131 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: a high powered rifle and stuff like. Just just be 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: aware it's kind of an old gun. 133 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: It's an old gun. I mean, if it's thirty, If 134 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: it is thirty at six, I would say that's a 135 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: high power cartridge. H No, it is, that's a big 136 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: round but yeah. 137 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: It's a full size rifle cartridge for sure. 138 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: People hunt deer with thirty at six all the time. 139 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: It's an extremely normal hunting rifle. 140 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, like probably top five most common kinds of rifle 141 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: for someone to have in this country. 142 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: And that was bolt action hunting rifles my assumption as 143 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: soon as I saw the video, because the guy fired 144 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: one shot, and it's relatively uncommon for people who are 145 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: shooting in mass crowded public situations like this to limit 146 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: themselves to a single round, which it just suggests number one, 147 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: like a bolt action, which I also thought was likely 148 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: because they didn't leave any amo behind. And if he 149 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: was firing something like an ar, those can fling brass 150 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: so widely that you can't easily catch it, like if 151 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: you're especially if you're trying to escape immediately after shooting. 152 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, I would guess. I'm seeing a lot of 153 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: people online obviously conspiracy start. I'm seeing so many people 154 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: say like this had to have been a hit, This 155 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: was a professional, only a professional hit have done. 156 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: This Trump distracting from Epstein, this was the massage that 157 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: this was any number of unhinged theories around nice. 158 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: Event, And I will say, right now as pertains the 159 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: competence of the shooter. Anyone who had picked up a 160 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: gun for the first time couldn't have easily done this, 161 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Like I doubt this as someone who was new to firearms, 162 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: but anyone who like shot a deer once or twice 163 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: a year could have made this happen. Anybody who went 164 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: to the range, you know, once or twice a month 165 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: for a while, could have gotten competent enough to make 166 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: a shot like this very easily, very doable for like 167 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: hobbyist shooters, which there are many of in the United 168 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: States and any other in Utah. I would be shocked 169 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: if like less than about eighty percent of the adult 170 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: male population of Utah could have made the shot. Right. 171 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: You do not need like military training, You do not 172 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 2: need to be a veteran to make this shot. 173 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. 174 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: And I think it's very irresponsible to see so many people, 175 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: like including people who are journalists, speculating like that. Like 176 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: I know that generally firearms are not covered well in 177 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: the US media despite being ubiquitous here, but like in 178 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 3: cases like this, it's okay no to no, but it's 179 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: better to be quiet if you don't know. 180 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: Yes, the other thing I guess we should get into 181 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: is in terms of the escape and what we know. 182 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: This is also not something that necessitates fucking Navy seal training, right, Like, Yeah, 183 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: you're a white, clean cut guy in fucking Salt Lake City. 184 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: If you have a bag that you could hide your 185 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: gun in and you get down, maybe throw on a 186 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: different jacket or something like that over your shirt or 187 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: change shirt. It's walk away, get to your car, drive off, 188 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: very hard for them to track you. Saltlake said, He's 189 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: not New York. It's not blanketed in cameras, not like 190 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: New York. There's not a massive police presence for this rally, 191 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: and there certainly wasn't a massive police presence doing concentric 192 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: circles around the rally. This was not like a fucking 193 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: the President's in town and the Secret Service is walking 194 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: everything down for two. 195 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: Miles and Charlie's own security tends to stay close to 196 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: him at the event. They're not set up with giant perimeters. 197 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: No, because none of them expected something like this. 198 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that Charlie Kirk has received threats before, 199 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 3: but yes, I mean, there's only so much a private 200 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: individual can do right in these situations. 201 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: He often wears a bulletproof vest. 202 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: Yes, really yeah, Yeah, There's only so much a private 203 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: individual can do, And there's only so much you can 204 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: do if you're holding an event outside. Yeah, like to 205 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: stop somebody who's got us a scoped rifle from getting 206 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: on top of a roof, right Like. I'm sure his 207 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: family is firing their current secuity right now, obviously, But 208 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: I really don't know what they could have done, like 209 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: what his personal security could realistically have done, other than say, 210 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: don't do an event outside, Charlie. 211 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 212 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: A few other notes that we should touch on on 213 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 2: Thursday morning, some unverified information related to the ongoing investigation 214 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: notes leaked online through fellow campus debater Stephen Crowder. Stephen 215 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: Crowder shared an internal memo which contained unverified information, which reads, 216 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: in part quote atf another law enforcement located an older 217 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: model imported Mouser thirty odd six caliber bolt action rifle 218 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus. 219 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: The location of the fire room appears to match the 220 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: suspect's route of travel. The spent cartridge was still chambered, 221 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: in addition to three unspent rounds in the top fed 222 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: magazine all cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender 223 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: and anti fascist ideology unquote. So this claim linking the 224 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: shooting to transgender and quote unquote anti fascist ideology, whatever 225 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: that means, spread around the internet like wild, as expected, 226 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: though a few hours later, the New York Times reported 227 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: quote according to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the 228 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: Bureau of Alcohol tobacko Firearms and Exposives, federal and local 229 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: officials recovered ammunition with the shooter's rifle that appeared to 230 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 2: be engraved with statements expressing transgender and anti fascist ideology. 231 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of 232 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by 233 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: ATF analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, 234 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. 235 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: In fast moving investigations, such status reports are not made 236 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and 237 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: inaccurate information unquote. 238 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: Yes and again. When that person with the pellet ride 239 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: was arrested, Cash Betel, director of the FBI, posted on Twitter, 240 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: we have the man who killed Charlie Kirk, and then 241 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: had to post like an hour later, Nope, which is 242 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: not a thing you saw with previous directors of the FBI. 243 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, for a good reason. Yeah, like that. The handling 244 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: of this has been pretty unorpthodox. 245 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: No, And I can see why a fucking Stephen Crowder 246 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: fan in the ATF would want to get that out 247 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: immediately totally, especially because he probably knew at some point 248 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: that's going to get corrected. But what matters is it 249 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: gets out for some degree of time. 250 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that bakes into the reality of a 251 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: certain number of people forever. 252 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 253 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Right, And that's what matters, whether or not it's true. 254 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: And we don't know yet is it true or not? Right, 255 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: We simply don't know. 256 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: Heysus Garrison. This is just a short update. On Thursday evening, 257 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: law enforcement gave a press conference where Utah Governor Spencer 258 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: Cox cautioned against quote unquote a tremendous amount of disinformation 259 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: circulate online about the killing of Charlie Kirk and specifically 260 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: cited bots from China and Russia which were encouraging violence 261 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: and instilling disinformation into discourse around the shooting. Now, while 262 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: there certainly have been many on the left who have 263 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: been joking or even celebrating this, shooting. 264 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, lots of people. 265 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: Rhetoric from the right has been similarly violent, with calls 266 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: to do mass violence or purge the Democrats or people 267 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: on the left. I'm going to play video of the 268 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: White House released late Wednesday night of Trump giving a 269 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: statement on the shooting. 270 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 4: It's a long past time for all Americans and the 271 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 4: media to confront the fact that violence and murder are 272 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,119 Speaker 4: the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree, 273 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 4: day after day, year after year, in the most hateful 274 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 4: and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical 275 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: left have compared one for Americans like Charlie to Nazis 276 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind 277 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're 278 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now. 279 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 4: My administration will find each and every one of those 280 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, 281 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: including the organizations that funded and support it, as well 282 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:35,479 Speaker 4: as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, 283 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 4: and everyone else who brings order to our country. From 284 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, 285 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 4: which killed a husband, and father, to the attacks on 286 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive 287 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: in the streets of New York, to the shooting of 288 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: House Majority leaders Steve Scalise and three others. Radical of 289 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken 290 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: too many lives. 291 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: The Trump assassin was not left wing. 292 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: No, now, he was a registered Republican. 293 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: There's currently no indication of the political alignment of this 294 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: shooter whatsoever. Just because they killed Charlie Kirk does not 295 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: mean that this was a left wing ANTIFA super soldier. 296 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk has had a memafied status on the Internet 297 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: for the past few years, which has encouraged vitriol and 298 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: threats from those on the extreme right as well as 299 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: the far left. 300 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's particularly disliked by like the hardcore anti Semites 301 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: on their right, and. 302 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: The Gropers have long had fun with making threats against 303 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk in the quote unquote groper war, which we 304 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: don't have time to get into. But it's not just 305 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: Trump's worrying statement there promising a degree of crackdown. Jesse 306 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: Waters on Fox has claimed, quote, We're gonna avenge Charlie's death. Yep, 307 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: here's a clip of Jesse Waters on Fox News last night. 308 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 5: Trump gets hit in the ear, Charlie gets shot dead. 309 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 5: They came after Kavanaugh with a rifle to his neighborhood. 310 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 5: They went after Musk's cars. They just shot two Jews 311 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 5: outside the embassy. 312 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: Think about it. 313 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 5: Schlice got shot, barely survived. 314 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: It's happening. 315 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: We've got transshooters, we got riots and la They are 316 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 5: at war with us. Whether we want to accept it 317 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 5: or not, they are at war with us. 318 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: What are we going to do about it? 319 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 5: How much political violence are we going to tolerate? And 320 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 5: that's the question we're just going to have to ask 321 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 5: ourselves now. Charlie would want us to put as much 322 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 5: pressure on these people as possible. Dana nailed it. This 323 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 5: is unacceptable and has to stop, and it has to 324 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 5: stop now. 325 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: And everybody's accountable. 326 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 5: And we're watching what they're saying on television and who's 327 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 5: saying what the politicians and the media and all these 328 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 5: rats out there. This can never happen again. It ends now. 329 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 5: Greg's right again, this is a turning point, and we 330 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 5: know which direction we're going. 331 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: He made a turning point Joe huh. 332 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: Yes, that's Jesse Waters doing a turning point time. 333 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: Well, so the use of rats to refer to other 334 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: people's I know he's giving like radio mil Collan vibes. 335 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: It's also worth noting Republican Representative Clay Higgins from Louisiana 336 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: is saying that he's seeking to have social media companies 337 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: place lifetime bans on users who celebrated the assassination. 338 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: It's not just Jesse Waters calling for war. Other commentators 339 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: are employing very similar rhetoric, including Alex Jones and Steve Bannon. 340 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: We're in a war. 341 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 4: The Latins was saying, put a bullsa on trumpet bulls 342 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: on his supporters. 343 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's a casualty of war. 344 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: We're in this country. 345 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: Chaia Wricheck tweeted on the lips of TikTok account quote 346 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: this is war. The oas Keep founder Stuart Rhodes announced 347 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: on Info Wars that his militia would be reforming to 348 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: help with security at right wing events. 349 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: Mat oh gosh. 350 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: It was a good Wired article Wednesday night, which collected 351 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: various calls to violence among the right in the aftermath 352 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 2: of the shooting. Quote Ed Martin US pardon attorney and 353 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: former acting with Stornay for DC wrote on Twitter, quote 354 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 2: for it is written, vengeance is mine. I will repay, 355 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: says the Lord. Citing Romans. Twelve nineteen, Elon Musk posted 356 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: the left is the party of murder, then quoted a 357 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: post blaming the left wing and mainstream media, as well 358 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: as figures like Gavin Newsom for radicalizing people against right 359 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: wing figures like Kirk Kitty Miller, who works with Musquet 360 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: Doge and is the wife of Stephen Miller, wrote on 361 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: x that even liberals condemning violence quote have blood on 362 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: their hands. You could be. Next. Influencer and unofficial Trump 363 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: advisor Laura Lumer posted on Twitter, the left are terrorists. 364 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: Christopher Ruffo, a conservative activist who popularized the demonization of 365 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: critical race theory, suggested in a Twitter post that the 366 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: radical left responsible for the shooting and urged the US 367 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: government to quote infiltrate, disrupt, arrest, and incars rate all 368 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: those who are responsible for this chaos unquote. There's many, 369 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: many more. This is after the right has long celebrated 370 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: certain types of political violence. 371 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Oh yes, constantly. 372 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that old guy in Panama who shot a 373 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: protester blocking the street. The entire right rallied behind that man. 374 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 2: Kirk himself has embraced Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot and killed 375 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: two people after a plastic bag was thrown in the 376 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: direction of Kyle Rittenhouse. Kirk was vocally supportive of the 377 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: man who tried to attack Nancy Pelosi in her home 378 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: and did attack pol Pelosi. 379 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: Yes, specifically specifically urged his audience to bail him out. 380 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: It was like not even two months ago that Minnesota 381 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: state senator and her husband were killed. Political violence exists 382 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: across the spectrum. This is not a left wing problem. 383 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: This is an American problem. 384 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 385 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: I mean the vast majority of political of like terrorist 386 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: attacks that are politically motivated in the US are right 387 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: wing like and have been for the last several decades. 388 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: Per the FBI, in. 389 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: The twenty twelve to twenty twenty one, fifty five percent 390 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: of murders tied to political extremism came from white supremacy 391 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: fourteen percent, anti government six percent to other right wing 392 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: twenty percent, Islamist four percent left wing, and the white 393 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: supremacy fifty five percent are far right Nazis. 394 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 395 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: In terms of like, who did this? Yeah, I think 396 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: we touched on Grouper's a little bit. We should probably 397 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: talk a bit more about the kind of online feud 398 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: between a chunk of Nick fuintes Is fan base and 399 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk. 400 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: It was certainly more prominent a few years ago. As 401 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: Kirk has himself has moved further to right, has adopted 402 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: great replacement theory, the feud kind of dissipated, but it 403 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: certainly was like a legitimate thing in the right for years. 404 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: Yes, to the extent that that a number of folks 405 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: are kind of have suspected that like maybe that's who 406 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: did it again, we really have no idea. I'm just 407 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: bringing this up to make the point that there's a 408 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: variety of reasons why this guy could have done this, 409 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: why this person could have done this, including could be 410 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: an Epstein related thing. Right, there's a lot of anger 411 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: at figures who kind of bought into the Trump line 412 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: that we're done now with the Epstein stuff. There's no 413 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: way to know, and I think that's kind of where 414 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: we have to end that part of our discussion here 415 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: is we don't know why this was done, and to extent, 416 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it comes out tomorrow that this 417 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: guy was like a White House staffer working for Donald 418 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: Trump who did it because he thought Charlie Kirk could 419 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: disre Like if some crazy shit like that happened, it 420 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't change at all the way that they're talking about 421 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: this shooting, like it just doesn't matter, Like we are 422 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: where we are with them, and they're saying a lot 423 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: of the same stuff like that. This is an escalation 424 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: in rhetoric, but it's not a massive escalation in rhetoric 425 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: over the way they've been talking about fucking the people changing, like. 426 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: The cracker barrel logo logo, we have to go to war. 427 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: We have to go to war, We're at war. 428 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: I was thinking about that when you said that, like 429 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: the lips of TikTok had tweeted that we were at war, 430 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: Like you could probably go back and see dozens of 431 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: other instances almost exactly the same statement. 432 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: Right, And is this something that could lead to mass 433 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: Could this be because I've seen people comparing this guy 434 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: like Charlie Kirk to Horst Wessel, who was a Nazi 435 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: literally a PEMP that was a member of the Nazi 436 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: brown Shirts who was murdered, and it became a huge 437 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: rallying cry for the Nazi Party, right, they made a 438 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: song about him. It was a big deal. I think 439 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of a very silly comparison. For one thing, 440 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: Horse Wessel is meaningful because he was killed before the 441 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: Nazis came to power, and they used his death in 442 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: order to get to power, and Trump is in power. 443 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: If you're not aware, they. 444 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 2: Don't need to invent excuses either to like crack down 445 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: on the left or no, or carry out their policies. 446 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: They're already doing that. I've seen people go into complete 447 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: panic modecause they're gonna be like, they're gonna use this, 448 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: this this shooting to to now do terrible things, as 449 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: if they're not already doing terrible things, Like they don't 450 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 2: need to wait for events to happen. They are more 451 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 2: than willing just to do whatever they want when they 452 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: want to. 453 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: Yes, that is that is exactly like the the That's 454 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 1: exactly what I would tell you. And in terms of 455 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: like comparisons, I don't even think it's super useful to 456 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: try to compare this to specific figures from fucking German history, 457 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: because there's. 458 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 2: Really that's America in twenty twenty five. Yeah, there's a 459 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: viral TikTok of a man talking about the Book of Mormon, 460 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: like like seconds after the shooting. 461 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: Standing next to where Kirk died, and we now know 462 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: that he stole a bunch of shit from the booth 463 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: that was covered in blood to sell it online. Like 464 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: this is this is all of the books the American Germany. 465 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: You won't find anything like that in it. 466 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I better historical comparison we will see, right, 467 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: might be Jose Carvo Sotelo Leku, whose death did immediately 468 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: sort of was one of the things that accelerated the 469 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: start of the Spanish Civil War, I guess, yeah, But 470 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 3: even then, like no one was tiktoking and grabbing much 471 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: that was stained by his blood. 472 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: No, And there's no you can like say, like, oh, well, 473 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: this figure's assassination preceded this kind of violence, but like, okay, 474 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: was that figure a guy who did what Charlie Kirk 475 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: did and was connected in the way Like no, Like 476 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: this is an American thing, this is new ya, this 477 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: is a novel, his moment in history, and we don't 478 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. I'm not saying, don't you 479 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: know if you were if you're the kind of person 480 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: who has been worried about right wing violence accelerating. You 481 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't be less worried right now, and I think that's 482 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: a good thing to be worried about. There's been a 483 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: spree of bomb threats called into like historically black colleges 484 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: today and BNC headquarters last I checked. I don't think 485 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: anything actually has been done, but it makes sense. It's 486 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: an angry from the right. You know, you've got some 487 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: people who woke up piste off this morning and decided 488 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: to call in some bomb threats. Apparently we'll see you 489 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: know who the culprits were there. But I didn't want 490 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: to touch on something else that I've seen in the 491 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: wake of all this that is pretty novel. But we 492 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: should do an AD break first, all right, coming back, 493 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk briefly about the way AI is 494 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: being used by civilian investigators to try and crack this caper. 495 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: People have been using AI to enhance the images that 496 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: the FBI released of the maybe shooter. Again, we don't 497 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: even know that that guy's a shooter because they fucked 498 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: up very badly on this initially, but people have been 499 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: using to like clarify and we know that the AI 500 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: is doing a bad job because again he's wearing a 501 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: distinctive shirt. People found the shirt online and when the 502 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: AI was like solidifying the image on the shirt, it 503 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: did it wrong, Like it put like a silhouette of 504 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: a man on there that wasn't on there, like it like. 505 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: You can also submit the same image to like five 506 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: different AI imaging programs and get five wildly different results 507 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 2: for what the face quote unquote looks like. 508 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: And I just brought that up because I haven't seen 509 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: that happen before with one of these things. And it 510 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, cool, that's a fun new. 511 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 2: This is going to be something we'd have to deal 512 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: with now for every single right preceding event in absolutely, yes, 513 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: whatever this hellscape of the American Century of humiliation looks like. 514 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: Yes. The other thing I wanted to bring up is 515 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: within about like two to three hours after Kirk was killed, 516 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: and after again it had been announced that he was dead, 517 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: people were asking Grock is this video? Because the video 518 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: was spreading wildly of him dying on everywhere. Really, but 519 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: people asked on Twitter, they asked groc elon Musk's AI, 520 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: is this real? And the response that was posted initially 521 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: was Charlie Kirk takes the roast in stride with a laugh. 522 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: He's faced tougher crowds. Yes, he survives this one easily. 523 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: And then someone responded, Groc, he got shot through the neck. 524 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And Grok responded, it's a 525 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: meme video with edited effects to look like a dramatic shot, 526 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: not a real event. Charlie Kirk is fine, he handles 527 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,360 Speaker 1: roasts like a pro. So again, I bring this up 528 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: just because this is going to only become more of 529 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: a factor in the immediate wake of shootings and terrorist 530 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: attacks and disasters. Is people going to AI's for information 531 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: about the validity of videos, about the validity of threats. 532 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: And what scares me is not this didn't do any damage, right, Like, 533 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: this doesn't didn't hurt the man hunt for the killer. 534 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: It didn't like do anything. It's just ridiculous. But let's 535 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: say you've got videos of a disaster ongoing, I mean, 536 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: like a fucking natural disaster coming or whatever, and people 537 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: are being told to leave their homes and somebody asks, 538 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: fucking Groc, hey do I need to hear I'll plug 539 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: this video and it'll tell me if the storm's going 540 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: to hit my house or if I can stay here, 541 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: people are gonna do shit like that, like that's gonna happen. Yeah, 542 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: you're right anyway, just his heads up. 543 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 3: Ah, that's bleak. Yeah, that's pretty terrible. 544 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 6: All right. 545 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: Well that's I think all we got to say on this. 546 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep updating you is we learn more. I'm 547 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: sure this will developing over the weekend. 548 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going to keep being a major story. Well, 549 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll do a dedicated episode on it next week. 550 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 551 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: Something else that happened on Wednesday, the same day as 552 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk assassination, was a school shooting in Colorado. 553 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: Two students were shot before the shooter killed himself. Police 554 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: have said, quote, we are looking at him mode if 555 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: we don't have one yet. He was radicalized by some 556 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 2: extremist network and the details of that will be down 557 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: the road, And we wanted to give you that much 558 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 2: about maybe a mindset for him. Unquote. 559 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it's just a marking 560 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: of what kind of shootings Americans are adneured to, and 561 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: not school shootings that's business as. 562 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: Usual, especially if it's just a regular white male teenager. 563 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, We'll be kind of following that one as 564 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 3: well to see what it's online radicalization was that they Yeah, 565 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: they've already found so early. But yeah, it's pretty tragic 566 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 3: that two school shootings happened in a day. 567 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: It was reported in multiple outlets last week that the 568 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: Department of Justice was considering restricting gun ownership rights for 569 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: transgender Americans in the wake of the Minneapolist Catholic school 570 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: shooting last month. This was first reported by the Diggity Wire, 571 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: who quoted the source inside the Justice Department saying quote, 572 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 2: Individuals within the DOJ are reviewing ways to ensure that 573 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: mentally ill individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are unable to 574 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: obtain firearms while they are unstable and unwell unquote. CNN 575 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: said that their sources described the proposal for a transgun 576 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,239 Speaker 2: ban as quote prelimin in nature, and since then, the 577 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: DOJ and the Trump administration have not made any clear 578 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: statements confirming or denying this reporting. A DOJ spokesperson acknowledg 579 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: THEES reports with the statement, reading, quote, the DOJ is 580 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: actively evaluating options to prevent the pattern of violence we 581 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: have seen from individuals with specific mental health challenges and 582 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 2: substance abuse disorders. No specific criminal justice proposals have been 583 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: advanced at this time. Unquote. Trump declined to answer a 584 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 2: question about a possible transgun ban last Friday. This is 585 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: something right wing influencers have been advocating for years now. 586 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 6: Yeah. 587 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: On September fifth, the NRA made a statement reading, the 588 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: Second Amendment isn't up for debate. The NRA supports the 589 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: Second Amendment rights for all law abiding Americans to purchase, possess, 590 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 2: and use firearms. The energy does not and will not 591 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: support any policy proposals that implement sweeping gun bands that 592 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: arbitrarily strict law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment rights 593 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: without due process. 594 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Yep, which is consistent with the NRA messaging four years 595 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: because the. 596 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,479 Speaker 2: Lion is the recent messaging. Definitely. 597 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: Well, I mean the line has been for as long 598 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: as I have been a gun owner, which is twenty 599 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: years now from the NRA that after the. 600 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: Civil Rights movement. 601 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, registration and like laws forcing people to register 602 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: their guns, and like gun control laws in general are 603 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: that restrict at all access to firearms are a prelude 604 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: inevitably to mass confiscation. Right, Like that has been the 605 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: that has been the line for a long time. 606 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: This does not surprise me. 607 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the stance doesn't. The fact that they said 608 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: something publicly during this does because the NRA has been 609 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: quiet a lot when there's an issue, like, for example, 610 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: that the shooting the Filando Castile right, who was legally 611 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: carrying a concealed firearm when the police murdered him in 612 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: his car. They kept pretty fucking quiet about that. So 613 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: I am a little surprised that they said something. But 614 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: what they're saying is is very consistent with other shit 615 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: they've been saying. 616 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no current legal mechanism that exists for them 617 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: to do this. They would have to invent or heavily 618 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: alter the current way that gun rights can be taken away, 619 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 2: which is right now through individual court cases where a 620 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 2: judge finds an individual person quote unquote mentally deficient. And 621 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 2: it's highly unlikely that the gun lobby will support any 622 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: policy proposals that start adding certain diagnoses to a list 623 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: that excludes you from gun ownership, because sure, if you 624 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: add gender dysphoria, now that might not be a huge 625 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: problem to many on the right. But let's say a 626 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 2: Democrat administration and Democrat House and Senate come into power. 627 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: Now there was this precedent that you can add diagnoses 628 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: to take away gun rights, which would enable adding things 629 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: like depression or PTSD, which a lot of veterans have. 630 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: And this is like the slippery slope that the NRA 631 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: warns about, So it makes sense that they would be 632 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: taking this stance. Similarly, I don't necessarily see a very 633 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: clear path for them to like rest strict HRT through 634 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 2: this mechanism. SIS people, including a lot of men who 635 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: own guns, take testosterone and CIS women take estrogen, so 636 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: that would be a very tricky way to handle this. 637 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: I think the only way they could again would be 638 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: if they try to restrict en mass like the prescription 639 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: of hormones specifically to people with gender dysphoria or trans people, 640 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: which is difficult for a lot of reasons, but would 641 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: provide it like a pretext for Okay, these people are 642 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: now taking stuff an illegal substance, and you can go 643 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: after people with guns for that. But I feel like 644 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how you would judicate that how you 645 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: like force Like the federal government does not theoretically have 646 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: the ability to force the medical community to say nobody 647 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: who's got gender dysfoia gets hormones. 648 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 3: Ever again, Yeah, I mean, you could maybe do something 649 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: through the FDA, but I don't see how you could 650 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: do it just to trans people and. 651 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: How right, like, how would you keep it legal for 652 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: all of Joe Rogan's friends, and that's just like through 653 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: the FDA, right, I don't I literally just don't know. 654 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not super familiar with that. 655 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: But this is obviously something that we will keep an 656 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: eye on. This is this is like a possibility that 657 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: we've discussed the right wanting to enact for years now, 658 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 2: and the fact that the DOJ might even have some 659 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: people in there who are doing preliminary considerations. It obviously 660 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: is a worrying sign of the general position on trans 661 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: rights and transgun rights. 662 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, for our immigration update this week, I want to 663 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,959 Speaker 3: start by talking about the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court 664 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 3: confirmed in its case that CBP and more permanently ICE 665 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 3: can continue their policy of racial profiling. This overturned a 666 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: lower court judges ordered that prohibits them from stopping someone 667 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles based on ethnicity alone. It didn't just 668 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 3: look at ethnicity. It said that it prohibits them from 669 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 3: using either one or a combination of four factors, which 670 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: were apparent race, the accent or they use for non 671 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: English language, their job, Their jobs that tend to have 672 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 3: a higher proportion of undocumented people. Right, they get construction 673 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: and some agricultural jobs. And their presence at a certain 674 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: place again right, places like a home depot or a 675 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 3: farm garrison. Smiling at how I correctly pronounce the word depot. There, 676 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 3: CBP has always been able to profile you at the border. Right, 677 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 3: that's kind of what they do. There was a nineteen 678 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: seventy five Supreme Court decision that one's called USA versus Brignion. 679 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 3: I think it's BRIDNIONI like Italian Brigni ponce. That decision 680 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: looked a roving traffic stop uppearing lives in San Clemente, 681 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 3: And in that case, the CBP had stopped someone not 682 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 3: a checkpoint, but while sitting by the side of the 683 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 3: highway in their vehicle, and they had done so solely 684 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 3: based on the apparent ethnicity of the driver. That was 685 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 3: ruled unconstitutional, and the standard that offices needed to have 686 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 3: was quite reasonable. Suspicion that pertains to roving stops, which 687 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 3: is kind of what ICE is doing in la right. 688 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 3: CBP officers have also previously been sued, more recently for 689 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 3: using a language as to sol basis for detention, like 690 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 3: if you're speaking Spanish, yeah, exactly, that was the case, right, 691 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 3: it's pudo and Hernandez versus US Customs and Border Protection. 692 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,479 Speaker 3: That one was in Montana. The ACLU of Montana sued 693 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 3: them to Spanish speaking ladies were speaking Spanish in a store. 694 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: They actually said hello to a border drill agent in 695 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: the English who proceeded to detain them on the basis 696 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 3: that not many people speak Spanish in Montana. I think 697 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: the name is from Spanish, like Montagna, but maybe I'm wrong. 698 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: The State Department has also issued guidance that non immigrant 699 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: visa applicants can now only schedule interviews in their own country. 700 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: So this is a further burden for people seeking visas 701 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 3: to come to the United States. Right previously, you could 702 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 3: do it at another US embassy or consulate. For instance. 703 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 3: You know, if you were let's say French but resident 704 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 3: in Spain, you could apply at the consulate or embassy there. 705 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 3: Right now you have to go to your country's embassy. 706 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 3: In some cases, there are designated embassies or consular places 707 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 3: for for national states where the US has no embassy 708 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 3: or similar presence, like a US hasn't got an embassy 709 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: in Afghanistan right now for pretty obvious reasons, right, So 710 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 3: I believe it's such Lama bad for those people, for example. Finally, 711 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 3: I want to get onto the case of the dozens 712 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 3: of watermelon children who came to the US and accompanied 713 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 3: by adults they are related to, and who the Trump 714 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 3: admin attempted to deport over the Labor Day weekend. Sometimes 715 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 3: I don't like the phrase unaccompanied miners because maybe they 716 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 3: are accompanied by someone who's just not in their family, 717 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 3: right that people have taken care of them on the journey, 718 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 3: almost certainly, and I've seen this myself, and so I 719 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: don't know the idea that then they're not just walking alone, 720 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 3: but they are not with their relatives, right if undertaking 721 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 3: this journey themselves. So Judge Sparkle supn Nan temporarily halted 722 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 3: their removal in the early hours of Sunday morning of 723 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 3: Labor Day weekend. This is an extremely unusual decision, right, 724 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 3: but the judge decided it was warranted because not doing 725 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: so would put the children in potential extreme danger. The 726 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: government categorically attempted to remove these children, like very quickly 727 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: and literally got them out of bed, right. We got 728 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 3: these little children out of beds in their foster homes 729 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 3: and attempted to shove them on a plane to Guatemala. 730 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 3: Their attorney literally ran onto the tarmac at the airport 731 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 3: to tell flight control personnel that they were likely in 732 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 3: violation of a court order. They allowed the plane to 733 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 3: take off like it couldn't be more last minute than this, right, 734 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 3: they were literally working all night. Judge Tim Kelly now 735 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 3: has to rule on the legitimacy of the government's claims. 736 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 3: The claim the government makes here is that it was 737 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 3: quote reuniting children with parents abroad, not deporting them, and 738 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 3: that would mean the children don't have the statutory protections 739 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 3: that they do if it were being as quote unquote 740 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: unaccompanied miners. Right. Previously, the government had made the claim 741 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 3: that the children's parents wanted them to be returned. It's 742 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 3: dropped that claim after Reuter's published a watermelon government document 743 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 3: which completely refutes that none of the children's parents seem 744 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 3: to want them to come home. So what the government 745 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 3: is claiming here is that the Office of Refugee Resettlement, 746 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 3: which is under HHS is moving the children, not the 747 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 3: Department of Homeland Security. So they're not being deported, they're 748 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 3: being reunified with their families. Yeah, that's a pretty sketchy claim. Meanwhile, 749 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 3: the kids are in shelters. Many of them were in 750 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 3: long term foster care and have been now removed from 751 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 3: that environment and they're in shelters. Law Fare, which is 752 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 3: an online publication, has a pretty good account of the 753 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 3: courtroom exchange that I've linked in the notes. I also 754 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 3: several people have asked about this, so I should talk 755 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,720 Speaker 3: about it. I wanted to talk about the Hyundai plant 756 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 3: in Georgia. I don't know what to call this raid. Yeah, 757 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 3: in Georgia. I guess raid is the right word. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, 758 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 3: Like more than three hundred South Korean workers were attained 759 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 3: at the plant. They should be going home today. They 760 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 3: were supposed to go home yesterday, but there were some delays. 761 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: So far. 762 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 3: IS has claimed that these people were working without proper 763 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 3: authorization and slash or but not in the US with 764 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 3: proper authorization, their lawyers have claimed, and The Guardian has 765 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 3: foundly documents that confirm that many of them had B 766 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 3: one visa status. B one is like you can do 767 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 3: some work on a B one. It also can be 768 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 3: just some extended term tourist visa and you can do 769 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 3: certain jobs but not other jobs, and you still get 770 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: paid at home where you were on a B one, 771 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 3: which seems to be what these people were doing. Right. 772 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 3: They can supervise construction on a B one, but you 773 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,479 Speaker 3: can't do construction, and it would make sense for people 774 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 3: who are very expert in the construction of these highly 775 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 3: technical buildings to supervise their construction. 776 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 2: It seems that they were in the country to supervise 777 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: the setting up of this car plant. 778 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 6: Correct. 779 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, most South Koreans can also get est visa waivers, 780 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 3: which like it's not exactly the same, but it's kind 781 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 3: of a ninety day be one visa. So there are 782 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 3: some people who cannot, right, like if they have been 783 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 3: cremated of crimes in such that they'd have to go 784 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 3: through to be one process. But it seems very unlikely 785 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 3: at least that that they were not in the country 786 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 3: without any documentation, because like that would be a stranging 787 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 3: to do when they can get a est visa waiver. 788 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 3: What's really weird about this is the state of Georgia 789 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 3: has invested millions, if not billions in bringing this plant 790 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 3: to Georgia. Right, it has created a significant economic boost. 791 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 3: Something like ninety percent of the products that go into 792 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 3: the car come from there. So there are lots of 793 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 3: small businesses and local businesses that have started up to 794 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 3: provide this factory with the goods it needs. You know, 795 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 3: there are all the other services that come with that, right, 796 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 3: Like it's economic benefit to the region. I know the 797 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 3: state has spent more than three hundred million on improving 798 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,719 Speaker 3: the roads. Apparently they've deepened ports in some regions to 799 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 3: allow larger, larger ships to arrive. It's bought in over 800 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 3: twelve billion investment, more than eight thousand jobs, It's received 801 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,800 Speaker 3: massive tax breaks. It's going to total over two billion 802 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 3: dollars according to reporting the arling to in the notes. Yet, 803 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 3: Georgia State Police blocked off roads as part of the raid, 804 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 3: and it was Georgia Department of Corrections buses that took 805 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 3: people away. This seems an odd choice for Kemp. Brian 806 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 3: Kemp right, Georgia governor. He's not Trump's favorite. Maybe he's 807 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 3: trying to become Trump's favorite. But previously even Republicans in 808 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 3: Georgia have been very behind this, I mean, Garrison, you 809 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 3: lived in Georgia for a bit, right, This was a 810 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 3: thing that the Republicans has support. Is a way to 811 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 3: revitalize a place where there wasn't much economic opportunity before. 812 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 2: Well, and this follows the whole point of Trump's tariffs. 813 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 2: If you're trying to bring, yeah, manufacturing to the United States, 814 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 2: you have these specialized workers to help supervise the construction 815 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 2: and managing of equipment. They get this plant up and running. 816 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 2: And even if you're even if you're doing that, even 817 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 2: if you're bringing manufacturing back to the States, somehow you 818 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,920 Speaker 2: still get bitten. Yeah, big time bitten by the Trump horse. 819 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I mean it does. 820 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 3: It does sort of line up with this working closer 821 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 3: to the Feurer hypothesis, right that you have these counter 822 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 3: valent impulses and everyone's just trying to do things that 823 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 3: they think Trump will like, and kind of sometimes those 824 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 3: can directly contradict each other, as is happening here. There's 825 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 3: not really a coherent policy platform. 826 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 2: No, they're they're just so focused on trying to get 827 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: like the base numbers up, like going to get the 828 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 2: number of deportations higher than it's ever been. 829 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and therefore, and you have this this sort of 830 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 3: series of impulses which motivate Trump is and one of 831 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 3: which is deport as many people as possible. 832 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 833 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 3: Another is broadly written, bring manufacturing jobs back to America, 834 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 3: but not if foreign people are helping supervise the construction. 835 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 3: I guess understandably, South Careera is very upset. More so 836 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 3: I think because these are like middle class professionals who 837 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,839 Speaker 3: have been detained. Right, they appear to have negotiated a 838 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 3: voluntary departure for these people, which it's not like a 839 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 3: voluntary departure like you came on told they disneylanded, you're 840 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 3: going home on the plane. It can still have long 841 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 3: term consequences. But the hope there is that it won't 842 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 3: make it harder for these people to get US visas 843 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,760 Speaker 3: in the future. They have to come back, because obviously 844 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 3: it's going to be very hard for this company to 845 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 3: build a plant in Georgia if they can't bring any 846 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 3: of their staff to Georgia. Yeah, that is about all 847 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 3: I have. I'm going to keep looking, especially this Georgia story, 848 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 3: see if it develops any further, and if it's worthy 849 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 3: of a whole episode, we'll do a whole episode on that. 850 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 2: Speaking of Georgia, the long delayed copp City reco case 851 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,319 Speaker 2: has finally made some progress in the court. I have 852 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,959 Speaker 2: been working on the final scripted piece of my Coppa 853 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 2: City coverage for basically this whole summer. I've been slowly 854 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 2: chipping away at it. Part of the reason why I 855 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 2: have not finished that yet is because essentially the whole 856 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 2: court case, like the sixty one defendant reco case, got 857 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 2: reset in May. They changed judges, and that has delayed 858 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 2: an already long delayed case even further. So I was 859 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 2: waiting to see a little bit of the results of 860 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 2: the court case, or at least get a better indication 861 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 2: where the court case is going to go before I 862 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 2: finish that final piece. And we're going to get that 863 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 2: final piece out probably in the next six month or 864 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 2: two here, but I will give this small update because 865 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 2: it's pretty substantial. This past Tuesday, September ninth, the defense 866 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 2: successfully argued that the State Attorney General's office did not 867 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 2: have the jurisdictional authority to prosecute the sixty one defendants 868 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 2: under the state's reco statute. This was due to simple 869 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 2: procedural error in neglecting to first ask Governor Brian Kemp 870 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 2: if the AG's office could prosecute the case. Judge Farmer 871 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 2: found that the AG does not have the authority to 872 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 2: prosecute Count one of the Rico indictment, which is the 873 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,880 Speaker 2: racketeering and conspiracy charges affecting sixty one people. So without 874 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 2: the sweeping Rico charges in golfing the sixty one defendants, 875 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 2: just five defendants would be left with Count two of 876 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 2: the indictment, the domestic terrorism charges, which the AG does 877 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 2: have the authority to prosecute, and Count three, which is 878 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 2: the arson charge, which Judge Farmer indicated could be thrown 879 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 2: out on a similar technicality as the racketeering and conspiracy charges. 880 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,360 Speaker 2: This is still heavily in flux. The prosecution is going 881 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 2: to appeal this decision, and it's unclear how this ruling 882 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 2: will affect how the rest of the cop City case 883 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 2: will unfold, as removal of the Rico charges kind of 884 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 2: undermines the rest of the indictment. On Wednesday, they were 885 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 2: arguing about the constitutionality of George's domestic terrorisms, which has 886 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 2: never been tested in courtse before, so a lot of 887 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 2: this case is currently up in the air. But this 888 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 2: is a positive sign for the defendants at this point. 889 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 2: One brief RFK Junior update. I guess r f K 890 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 2: Junior is soon to be released. Autism report from HHS 891 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 2: is reportedly going to include the claim that use of 892 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 2: tailanol during pregnancy could cause autism in children. Jesus, this 893 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 2: is not believed to be true by reputable medical authorities. 894 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 2: But the report is set to release sometime in September. 895 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 2: It was announced like months ago when r f K 896 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 2: Junior said that by September we will finally know the 897 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,760 Speaker 2: cause of autism quote unquote, And it seems the report 898 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 2: is still churning away but set to be released this month, 899 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,279 Speaker 2: and it will include a few other claims, which we 900 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 2: will report on in more detail once the report is 901 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,280 Speaker 2: actually out. But the Wall Street Journal got this little 902 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 2: heads up about the hilan all inclusion in the report. 903 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 3: Fantastic. So I heard from somebody who is waiting on 904 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 3: their work permit, a Kurdish woman who came to the 905 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,239 Speaker 3: United States to claim asylum from Turkey from Northern Kurdistan. 906 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 3: And because she doesn't have a work permit yet and 907 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 3: she's gonna be waiting for her work permit sometime, she's 908 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 3: asking for help to cover her basic sort of day 909 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 3: to day expenses. And this is a thing that people 910 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 3: often find themselves in a situation. Right, they have come here, 911 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 3: done all the documentation, but it can take a long 912 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,240 Speaker 3: time to get their work permit, and without friends or family, 913 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 3: it can be very hard for them. The website is 914 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 3: gofund dot me slash DA thirty nine F seven D 915 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 3: zero B. Will have that link in the show notes 916 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 3: as well. If you'd like to email us, you can 917 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,359 Speaker 3: do so. The way to do it is to reach 918 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 3: out to cool Zone tips at proton dot me. That 919 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,839 Speaker 3: is an encrypted email address. All that means is that 920 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 3: you will have to all so you use an encrypted 921 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 3: email adress if you'd like it to be to end encrypted. 922 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:21,280 Speaker 1: All right, and here's some ads. We're back and uh, 923 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: I guess it's time to drop some bars about Jeffrey Epstein. 924 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 2: Somehow Epstein has returned. 925 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that joke. It always gets old. So one 926 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: of the big pieces of news this week before the 927 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: thing that we started the episode with, I mean, this 928 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: was the story before that happened, is that as a 929 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: result of the ongoing investigation into Epstein and whether or 930 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: not you know how involved was Trump? How involved were Democrats? 931 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: What do we care that the book, the first fifty 932 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,280 Speaker 1: years birthday book, that that drawing that Trump is accused 933 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: of having done where he signed his name as the 934 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 1: p Big Care of a very obviously young girl with 935 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,440 Speaker 1: a poem that seemed to hint at child molestation. That 936 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: the whole book that Epstein had has has been released 937 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,120 Speaker 1: to Congress and is now public. Right, Yeah, I did. 938 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,280 Speaker 2: Democrats on the House Oversight Committee subpoena the Epstein birthday 939 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 2: Book from Jeffrey Epstein's estate once the estate made a 940 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 2: statement saying that they have the book and wouldn't cooperate 941 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 2: with a subpoena. 942 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,719 Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of news articles summarizing it. If 943 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 1: you want to read the thing for yourself, just google 944 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,919 Speaker 1: document cloud Jeffrey Epstein fiftieth Birthday Book, and the whole 945 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: thing isn't there? 946 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 3: Yah? 947 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: Right? 948 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 3: I would say, like just that kind of slight devotion. 949 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 3: I guess between this and Charlie kirk shooting, maybe you 950 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,360 Speaker 3: don't need to give yourself a break. 951 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: You don't saying you should. I just wanted to let 952 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 1: people know where they can get to the original source 953 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: if they don't want to have it mediated by. 954 00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,760 Speaker 3: A media, right, It's always good to do that. 955 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: We're going to mediate it for you now. Yeah. So 956 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,839 Speaker 1: it opens, as far as I can tell, the first well, 957 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,799 Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a list of contents. The prologue 958 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: is written by Gailand Maxwell. Then there's letters from the family, 959 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: Paula Seymour and Marco I guess you're relatives. Then it's 960 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: split into Brooklyn. So there's friends of his from Brooklyn 961 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: who are Warren Eisenstein, neutral, I don't know who that is, 962 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 1: Terry Kofka. Very funny that there's a Kafka involved, doctor 963 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: Stephen Levy, and Michael Buekols. The next section is all girlfriends. 964 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: They're letters from girlfriends. All of those names have been 965 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: blacked out for reasons that should be obvious. The section 966 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: after that is children. God almighty, I don't know whose 967 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: kids because this is blacked out too, but oh boy. Yeah, 968 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: and then we get to the section that is friends. 969 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: That is all the letters from friends, and the friends 970 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: are Leon Black is on there, Bill Clinton is on there, 971 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz is on there. The dersh himself. 972 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 2: Is the letter is really unsettling. 973 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Donald Trump is in there. We'll get to that 974 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 1: in a second. Donald Trump is in there, obviously these 975 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: are not. Morton Zuckerman is on there, Leslie Wexner is 976 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,280 Speaker 1: on there. So a number of like very prominent people. 977 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,919 Speaker 1: Unknown is at the very end. I don't know like that. 978 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: That's like literally how the book listed it. So they 979 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: just have a letter from someone who's presumably his friend 980 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: but didn't put a name. 981 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a smart move if you're doing things 982 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 3: you have federal crimes. 983 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: And then after that you've got the letters from scientists 984 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,440 Speaker 1: friends of his, which include people we brought up on 985 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,479 Speaker 1: my episode about a bioscience company who pretends that they're 986 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: cloning dire wolves and Martin Noak are both on here, 987 00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: so that's great, Oh good. And then after that I 988 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: just noted girlfriends is like the third group of people 989 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,239 Speaker 1: who had letters, and all those names were blacked out. 990 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: But then under science there's another section that's girl dash 991 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: friends that's longer, and all of those names are blacked out. 992 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: No fucking idea what that is supposed to meet? Yeah, 993 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,320 Speaker 1: but upsetting, it's no good whatever it is. Yeah, Anyway, 994 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: there's some more names on there, but they're not super relevant, 995 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: Gilan Maxwell's prologue is handwritten, or at least the note 996 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,879 Speaker 1: in front of it is handwritten. I know you will 997 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: enjoy looking through the book, and I hope you will 998 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,959 Speaker 1: derive as much pleasure looking through it as I did 999 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,120 Speaker 1: putting it together for you. Happy birthday, Love, Gilan Maxwell. 1000 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,279 Speaker 1: So that's the prologue. One of the first pictures, I mean, 1001 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: the first picture in the book is Jeffrey Epstein's standing 1002 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: around with a bunch of soldiers. They look like, I mean, 1003 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: I would guess from some African country. They're all in 1004 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: a camo pattern that's not immediately familiar to me. And yeah, 1005 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: I can't fully read what it says down here. Some 1006 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,360 Speaker 1: of the line say something about a president and the 1007 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: Secret Service to greet you. I don't know who these 1008 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: soldiers were that Jeffrey's standing around. I kind of want 1009 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,400 Speaker 1: to know, but it's a weird photo to start. And 1010 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: then immediately after that is Jeffrey Epstein's cub scout graduation photo. 1011 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: They've got that in. There's a bunch of like pictures 1012 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,480 Speaker 1: of Epstein throughout his life, Like that's kind of how 1013 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 1: this thing opens before we get down to the letters. Yeah, 1014 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to get at there. So there's 1015 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: on page fifty seven there's a photo of Jeffrey Epstein 1016 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: wearing a weird shirt with a bunch of handprints on 1017 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,839 Speaker 1: it when he was younger. That's just titled girls on 1018 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: My Boat. We picked up girls on beach, went out 1019 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,360 Speaker 1: on boat. I tell them with knife in my hand 1020 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 1: to take suits off, but Warren tells me, don't worry. 1021 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: His name is Jahann. He's just joking. He lives at 1022 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: so and So. I tell Mark to throw him into water. 1023 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: He did no idea what the fuck that's about. But 1024 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,719 Speaker 1: like a lot of it's like that is like very 1025 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,960 Speaker 1: upsetting stories that are handwritten crudely, I think, and often 1026 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: by Gillan. But yeah, it's it's like pretty deeply upsetting stuff. Okay, 1027 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,680 Speaker 1: I do kind of want to read this Bill Elks letter. 1028 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,760 Speaker 1: It just starts with it's no secret that Jeffrey appreciates 1029 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: beautiful women that not many people know. He can create 1030 00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,799 Speaker 1: them in a thin whay air, as he did in 1031 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,399 Speaker 1: Iowa in nineteen eighty eight. 1032 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 3: Good to give a play time discuss fixings that are illegal. 1033 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy says that he was managing the money 1034 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 1: of a family who lived in Fairfield, Iowa. Hog farming 1035 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: is a serious industry there, and many people feel there 1036 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 1: is more than a little truth in the saying that 1037 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,560 Speaker 1: it's hard to tell the difference between the girls and 1038 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 1: the hogs in southeast Iowa. Jeffrey came to Fairfield to 1039 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: check in on their investigation on their investment opportunities. He 1040 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 1: asked about the night life and we could only laugh 1041 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: as we dropped him off at the local motel. The 1042 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 1: next morning or before of us picked up Jeffrey to 1043 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: give him a tour of the area. At our first stop, 1044 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 1: we parked in front of a bookstore. As we were 1045 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,600 Speaker 1: getting out of the car, a spectacular, tall, blonde woman 1046 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: suddenly came out of the store, walked directly up to 1047 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,839 Speaker 1: Jeffrey and announced, I am new to this area. What's 1048 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: going on? It turns out she was a sales representative 1049 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,319 Speaker 1: for a firm solling academic brand and athletic clothing. She 1050 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: was literally driving through Iowa visiting local campuses. Jeffrey invited 1051 00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: her to join us and did his magic. Within a 1052 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,840 Speaker 1: few hours, he had invited her to return to New 1053 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,520 Speaker 1: York with him for the weekend. Yeah, a lot of 1054 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,959 Speaker 1: stuff like that. We should probably read Dershowitz's letter. 1055 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we sack, Yeah, you can do that. 1056 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 1: Okay, here's Dershowitz's Who was that man with Epstein? Is 1057 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,600 Speaker 1: the title of the letter. Inquiring minds are asking, who 1058 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: is that man with Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein is, of course, 1059 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 1: one of the world's most famous men, a household name 1060 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: throughout the planet. His picture has appeared on the cover 1061 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: of every magazine in the world. Everyone knows his story, 1062 00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 1: from his humble roots on Coney Island to his rise 1063 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,680 Speaker 1: to one of the most envied public figures in the 1064 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: Western world. But what is he doing flying to Africa 1065 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,319 Speaker 1: with an obscure former politician from Hope, Arkansas? Who is 1066 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: that politician? And why would Epstein have picked him for 1067 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: the coveted seat on his private jet. Vanity Unfair was 1068 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: determined to get to the bottom of this mystery man 1069 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: and to reveal the story behind the story. Normally, we 1070 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: would not pry into the private life of an obscure 1071 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: Arkansas politician, particularly when he has tried so hard up 1072 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: to now, so successfully to keep his private life to himself. 1073 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,719 Speaker 1: But the moment this scire man stepped under the Epstein jet, 1074 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 1: he became fair game for probing inquiry. Why would a 1075 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: man like Epstein, who can pick and choose his companions 1076 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,960 Speaker 1: from princes to professors, select a flying companion from the 1077 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 1: Ozark Mountains. To be sure, he was a Rhodes scholar, 1078 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:00,799 Speaker 1: but we all know how easy it is to get 1079 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 1: a roads if you're from Arkansas. There must be something else. 1080 00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 1: Vanity Unfair decided to snoop around as obscure politician reluctantly 1081 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,320 Speaker 1: agreed to be to an interview on the express condition 1082 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: that it was completely off the record. This is what 1083 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 1: he told us, and then it's blank. The letter ends. 1084 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 2: It comes with a note yes, reading dear Jeffrey. As 1085 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,320 Speaker 2: a birthday gift to you, I managed to obtain an 1086 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 2: early version of the Vanity Unfair article. I talked them 1087 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 2: into changing the focus from you to Bill Clinton, as 1088 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,240 Speaker 2: you will see from the enclosed excerpt. Halfy birthday in 1089 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:31,920 Speaker 2: best regards. 1090 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 1: And then there's a fake Vanity Unfair article. Yeah or cover? Yeah? 1091 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,440 Speaker 1: That who is Jack the Repper? 1092 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 3: Was it? 1093 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein? Al Qaeda in South America financed by Epstein. 1094 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart in another courtroom dispatches it's 1095 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: like really crudely animated. But yeah, yeah, I mean it's 1096 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: what do you even say? Oh, there is a quote 1097 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,000 Speaker 1: on the Vanity Fair cover attributed to Epstein that says 1098 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: life is a pure flame and we live by an 1099 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: invisible sun within us. So I guess that's a Jeffrey 1100 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: Epstein original. 1101 00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 3: Wow, how profound. 1102 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,280 Speaker 2: Before we talk about the Trump letter, there's this one 1103 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,560 Speaker 2: other image I didn't like to discuss. This what I 1104 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 2: can only described as a grooming themed drawing Oh God, 1105 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 2: yeah to him as part of its birthday card, depicting 1106 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,280 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein in nineteen eighty three giving balloons in a 1107 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,440 Speaker 2: lolly pomp to three young children girls like children, children. 1108 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: And importantly, his pockets are turned out out and the 1109 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 1: pants he's wearing are like patched and old. He's clearly 1110 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 1: poor in this. In nineteen eighty three, by the way, 1111 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 1: he was working as a tutor and a teacher, like 1112 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,520 Speaker 1: he was teaching kids at private schools. Like, so that's 1113 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: what's represented here. 1114 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1115 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,120 Speaker 2: The other section of the drawing is in two thousand 1116 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 2: and three and has Jeffrey Epstein sitting on the beach 1117 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 2: with four women touching his body. 1118 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: One woman is very clearly touching his genitals and has 1119 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,320 Speaker 1: Je tattooed on her ass. 1120 00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's jet is flying a. 1121 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: You know it's his jet because the actual in number 1122 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,520 Speaker 1: of his real jet is written on the side of 1123 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: the jet. 1124 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,439 Speaker 2: And on the beach he is on a lawn chair 1125 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 2: outside of what sort of resembles Trump's mar Lago resort 1126 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,440 Speaker 2: in terms of the architectural style, the arched doorways, the 1127 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 2: tiered structure and lay out of the palm trees, and 1128 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 2: the beach. This building does not match his house in Florida, 1129 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 2: or his house in the Southwest, or his house on 1130 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 2: the island, which appears very different with blue roofing. I'm 1131 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,040 Speaker 2: not saying this necessarily is mar A Lago, but if 1132 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 2: I were to try to draw mar A Lago from memory, 1133 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 2: it might look something like this. There's certainly a resemblance 1134 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,560 Speaker 2: which is notable. 1135 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we should talk about literally. The next photo from 1136 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: this is a picture of Jeffrey Epstein holding a check 1137 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: for twenty two thousand dollars to him from Donald Trump. 1138 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: There's three people posing next to him. One of them 1139 01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: is a woman whose face is blacked out. There's also 1140 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,760 Speaker 1: another woman with her face blacked out behind them. But 1141 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,640 Speaker 1: the man who's sitting next to the woman at what 1142 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 1: looks like a dinner table does not have his face 1143 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 1: blacked out. I don't know why. And it says on 1144 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,640 Speaker 1: this Jeffrey is showing early talents with money and women 1145 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: sells fully depreciated. And then the name of the woman 1146 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,920 Speaker 1: who is being sold is blacked out to Donald Trump 1147 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,919 Speaker 1: for twenty two five hundred dollars. Showed early people skills too. 1148 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Even though I handled the deal, I didn't get any 1149 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,440 Speaker 1: of the money for the girl. 1150 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 2: So pretty sickening joke. 1151 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, genuinely like nauseating literally, yeah, like him holding 1152 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 3: up a check Donald Trump gave him for a girl. 1153 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,360 Speaker 2: Like a fake novelty check signed by someone's not Trump, 1154 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 2: just someone signing Donald Trump, not Donald Trump's signature. But 1155 01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,840 Speaker 2: people joking. It's a bit about Jeffrey selling a woman 1156 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,200 Speaker 2: to Trump for twenty two five hundred dollars? Was this 1157 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,800 Speaker 2: a fully depreciated? 1158 01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 3: Is that the phrasing us it's a phrase, yes, yes, yeah, 1159 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,080 Speaker 3: it's fucking disgusting. 1160 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,600 Speaker 1: And then we get down to the original Trump letter, 1161 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: which we've talked about on the show. We've read it 1162 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: to you. This is the one where Donald says it's 1163 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,320 Speaker 1: framed as a conversation between them, and Donald says, enigmas 1164 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,720 Speaker 1: never age. Have you noticed that anyway? The only thing 1165 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,080 Speaker 1: noteworthy about this is now we have the drawing of 1166 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,520 Speaker 1: the woman. It's drawn around the script, and it's i 1167 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 1: would say, pretty clearly a pubescent girl. Like there's breasts 1168 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:30,440 Speaker 1: drawn on. 1169 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,640 Speaker 2: Their breasts do not look fully developed, and they do 1170 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 2: not look they're not large like no, and the position 1171 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,920 Speaker 2: of them is higher. They look like underdeveloped breasts. 1172 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Yes, it looks like a drawing of a young girl, 1173 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,320 Speaker 1: like of a child. 1174 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 2: It's so much more creepy than anyone who like tried 1175 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 2: to draw what this might have looked like, has like 1176 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,440 Speaker 2: previously imagined like they were all drawing you know, like 1177 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 2: conventionally attractive like adult female bodies. This is much more creepy. 1178 01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: Now, I will say, it doesn't look like his signature 1179 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: is meant to be pubic care here. 1180 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,680 Speaker 2: It's in a similar position. But you know, this is 1181 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 2: a very abstract drawing. His signature is just his first name, Donald, 1182 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,960 Speaker 2: which he signs a lot of personal notes with, not 1183 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 2: his full Donald Trump's signature. Trump is maintaining that he 1184 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,200 Speaker 2: did not sign this, that this is a forgery. He 1185 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 2: is unaware of this letter, even though the signature matches 1186 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 2: other signatures from him around this time. And this just 1187 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 2: feels like a very Donald Trump thing to do. Yeah, 1188 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 2: and is worded similarly to how he talked about women 1189 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 2: in this era. He now makes statements being like I 1190 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 2: don't talk this way all my everyone who knows me 1191 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,000 Speaker 2: knows I don't talk this way. And if you watch 1192 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 2: like clips from Donald Trump in the early two thousands 1193 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,200 Speaker 2: talking about women, it is this type of language. Is 1194 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 2: it is very gross. Yeah, Like everyone remembers the Howard 1195 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,200 Speaker 2: Stern clip, like come on. 1196 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Right, oh yeah, No. It's also worth noting one of 1197 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: the last things in the book is recipe for like 1198 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,440 Speaker 1: chuck chip cookies. I tried to figure out who put 1199 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: the recipe in there, but their name is blacked out. 1200 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,440 Speaker 1: They're right under Henry Rossofski and right above Les Wexner. 1201 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't know who put that chocolate chip cookie recipe 1202 01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,120 Speaker 1: in here, but I might try to make those cookies 1203 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,600 Speaker 1: the Epstein biscuit. 1204 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 3: I wouldn't eat this. 1205 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1206 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,800 Speaker 2: A few other things before we close this episode related 1207 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,880 Speaker 2: to Epstein. On September, fifth House Speaker Mike Johnson told 1208 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:32,200 Speaker 2: reporters that Trump was actually a secret to FBI informant 1209 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 2: tasked with taking down Jeffrey Epstein. 1210 01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,480 Speaker 3: I hadn't heard it did a great job. 1211 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm saying that what Epstein did as a hoax. 1212 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,680 Speaker 7: It's a terrible, unspeakable evil. He believes in himself when 1213 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 7: he first heard the room where kicked them out of Milvago. 1214 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 7: He was an FBI informant to try to take this 1215 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,640 Speaker 7: stuff down. The President knows and has great sympathy for 1216 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 7: the women who suffered these unspeakable arms. It's detestable to them. 1217 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,760 Speaker 7: And I've spoken about this as recently as twenty hours ago. 1218 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,720 Speaker 3: This should be documents that could that could corroborate that. 1219 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,439 Speaker 3: One would I one thing Detember eighth. 1220 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,400 Speaker 2: Mike Johnson walked back his FBI informant comments, telling reporters 1221 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,200 Speaker 2: he was referring to what Epstein victims attorneys has said 1222 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,280 Speaker 2: that Trump was quote willing to help law enforcement to 1223 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,840 Speaker 2: go after the guy who was a disgusting child abusers 1224 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,560 Speaker 2: at trafficker, all the allegations. That's what they heard. I 1225 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 2: don't know if I use the right terminology, but that's 1226 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 2: common knowledge and everybody knows that I was repeating what 1227 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,800 Speaker 2: has been common knowledge for a long time. The President 1228 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,120 Speaker 2: was helpful in trying to get Epstein for the law 1229 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:33,560 Speaker 2: enforcement to go after Epstein. Unquote, great stuff from Mike Johnson. 1230 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Sure. 1231 01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 2: A day later, White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt confirmed 1232 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,320 Speaker 2: that Trump was not, in fact an FBI informant. One 1233 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,720 Speaker 2: other weird Epstein story from this week is how the 1234 01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 2: DOJ has been beefing with James O'Keefe's Project Veritas. 1235 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1236 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 2: Project Veritas did a operation against a DOJ employee in 1237 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 2: which they recorded him say this, and those files do exist. 1238 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, thousands and thousands of page of five Jill Redact 1239 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:11,640 Speaker 6: that every Republican or conservative person in those files leave 1240 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 6: on the liberal Democratic people in those files. 1241 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 2: I mean they visited that Maxwell person. 1242 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also. 1243 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:23,400 Speaker 8: Involved got transferred to a minimum security person series, which 1244 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 8: is against bop Posey because she's she's a committed sex mner. 1245 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 8: The offering or something to keep about. 1246 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,200 Speaker 9: Se That was the acting Deputy Chief of the Office 1247 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,760 Speaker 9: of Enforcement Operations, Joseph Schnitt, telling a stranger about the 1248 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,680 Speaker 9: FBI and DOJ's handling of the Epstein files. 1249 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 2: The DOJ responded to O'Keefe saying, quote, Joseph Schnid had 1250 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,040 Speaker 2: no role in the department's internal review of Epstein materials. 1251 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,920 Speaker 2: He has confirmed as much to leadership, and we plan 1252 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,000 Speaker 2: on publishing his written statements to that effect when we 1253 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,680 Speaker 2: have it. In his words, the comments he made were 1254 01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,120 Speaker 2: based on quote what he learned in the media, and 1255 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,680 Speaker 2: he has quote no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Miss 1256 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 2: Maxwell other than what was reported in the news unquote. 1257 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,800 Speaker 2: And then Schnid used the Department of Justice X account 1258 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,440 Speaker 2: to post a what it could be described as like 1259 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:22,080 Speaker 2: an Apple Notes apology statement with thirty percent battery displayed 1260 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,360 Speaker 2: on his phone. When he talks about he talks about 1261 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,120 Speaker 2: meeting a quote woman named Skyler on Hinge, a dating 1262 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,960 Speaker 2: app in July twenty twenty five. Her profile is no 1263 01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,440 Speaker 2: longer findable. We had two dates. She gave no clues 1264 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 2: that she was a reporter or recording car dates. Had 1265 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 2: I clue, the first date would have ended immediately and 1266 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,720 Speaker 2: there would have never been a second one. My profile 1267 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,880 Speaker 2: indicated I did quote unquote government work, but did not 1268 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,520 Speaker 2: specify for which agency. I never discussed what I do 1269 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,520 Speaker 2: at DOJ. The comments I made were my own personal 1270 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 2: comments on what I've learned in the media and not 1271 01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,880 Speaker 2: from anything I've done or learned via work. Incredible the 1272 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 2: United States government, everybody. Yeah, and James O'Keeffe out there 1273 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 2: with the journalism first trap. I guess I wonder if 1274 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 2: it's I is it a one party consent? 1275 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,680 Speaker 3: This is in d C, right, I. 1276 01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Don't believe DC is one party consent. 1277 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that I would be shocked. 1278 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how o'keef pulls all this stuff off legally. 1279 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,080 Speaker 1: He could get in trouble for this one. 1280 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. My understanding would be just to be clear for 1281 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 3: people who aren't in on the jargon. Like in most 1282 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,320 Speaker 3: states of the Union, I think you need both people's 1283 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,959 Speaker 3: consent to record a conversation. You could argue, I guess 1284 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,640 Speaker 3: he didn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy sitting out there, 1285 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,160 Speaker 3: But I think this is very clearly a clandestine recording. 1286 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, sorry, d DC is a one 1287 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,000 Speaker 1: party consents area. Dan, Okay, well there you go. 1288 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,919 Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I did ye. I did not know that, yep, 1289 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,360 Speaker 3: So well he's safe. Yeah, I guess if that date 1290 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,240 Speaker 3: was in DC, you got to look. If the date 1291 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,280 Speaker 3: was in DCT of jurisdictions around there bumping up. But yeah, 1292 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,800 Speaker 3: that's surprising. No, he's good. 1293 01:07:59,240 --> 01:07:59,640 Speaker 1: All right. 1294 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,360 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we have for this week, 1295 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,360 Speaker 2: which is a lot. This was a massive news week. 1296 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,200 Speaker 2: This is an extra long episode, but sometimes that happens. 1297 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,400 Speaker 3: Congratulations on making it this far. 1298 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and may every day be a new wonderful secret. 1299 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,559 Speaker 1: As you know, Donald Trump told Jeffrey Epstein stop him 1300 01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,599 Speaker 1: to send off. We reported the news. 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