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Speaker 1: presented by Fandel here at the volume. Happy Monday, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I am Jason timp. I hope all of you guys

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Speaker 1: have your weeks off to a great start. Well, Tonight's

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Speaker 1: there in that moment that Brooklyn didn't really have a chance.

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Speaker 1: tomorrow night's show. I will also be releasing some film

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Speaker 1: about those games. But like I said, tonight is all

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Speaker 1: about the nets I talked And for those of you

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Speaker 1: have a brand of basketball that I am drawn too.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this a lot with coaches. Coaches have

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Speaker 1: I feel about switching everything on defense, prioritizing wings over

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Speaker 1: But Tatum was incredible in this series. His shot making

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Speaker 1: worst contracts in the league. That's a fact. He is,

432
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, I I thought Nick Wright, who went on

433
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: Cow Hurts Pod, I thought put it very succinctly, is

434
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: like Kyrie. His top end is amazing, but he basically

435
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: said he's nowhere near consistently enough. He's not consistent enough

436
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: with it for to bring any real value. And that's true.

437
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: It's a fact. Just like his last playoff series in

438
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: Boston looks amazing. In Game one, shoots the Bucks just

439
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: into oblivion to take a one zero lead, and then

440
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: you didn't hear from him again the rest of the series.

441
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: That's just kind of the nature of the Kyrie experience.

442
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: So what you gotta do is you signed Kyrie to

443
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: the full whatever max he wants, and then immediately during

444
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: this time frame here in the next year or so,

445
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: you trade it because as soon as his contract will

446
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: allow you to trade him after he signs. Because I

447
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: know there's like a little bit of a delay. I

448
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: think you have to wait till like almost the trade

449
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: deadline and first season. But you trade it because there

450
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: will be a team out there, just like the Pistons

451
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: David Blake Griffin, that will talk themselves into this is

452
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: an available star you can be had for relatively cheap.

453
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: So I think, as as awful as the Kyrie experiences,

454
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: Ben And if I'm Brooklyn, if I'm a Brooklyn fan,

455
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: if I'm a Brooklyn player, if I'm a Brooklyn coach,

456
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: I want him out of here. But you got to

457
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: bring him back simply for the asset. So let me

458
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: ask you this, because I think obviously the dynamics with

459
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: Kyrie are always going to be super weird. At the

460
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: same time. This regular season, minutes Katie and Kyrie played together,

461
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: they had an offensive rating of one two better than

462
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: that even which would be you know, by far the

463
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: best in the league. He has been these last three

464
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: years in Brooklyn, scoring at career volume like a game

465
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: on a lead efficiency. And of course you talk about,

466
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, the restrictions that you would have in terms

467
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,479
Speaker 1: of building out the roster if they just let Kyrie go.

468
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: The Nets at fifty million dollars in cap it was

469
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: not on the floor in this series between Ben Simmons

470
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: and Joe Harris and two of their clearly top five

471
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: five guys. So is there any part of you that

472
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: looks in that and thinks, well, maybe with Pete Kyrie

473
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: and with those healthy guys on the floor, it is

474
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: worth sticking it out, just legitimately for another year or

475
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: maybe even further than that through that contract. Carson, You're

476
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: a very smart man, because this was this was the

477
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I had a very similar thought process last night. Um.

478
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: The thing is is that k D and Kyrie we

479
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier in the show. For those of

480
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: you who missed the beginning. The Nets were twelve and

481
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: five in their last seventeen games this season, so almost

482
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: a quarter of the season. They were pretty good during

483
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: that stretch. They were the third best offense in the

484
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: league in the eighth best defense in the league, so

485
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: they have a decent ceiling. I thought we talked, We

486
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: did a whole segment at the beginning about how this

487
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: was just a really bad matchup in a lot of

488
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: different ways. So yeah, with Ben Simmons coming back and

489
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: with Joe Harris coming back, they are significantly better team

490
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: next year, hopefully, if everyone's healthy, you make a better

491
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: regular season effort that leads to a better seed, which

492
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: gives you a better opportunity to avoid a bad matchup

493
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: early in the playoffs and give you a better chance

494
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: of being the beneficiary of some luck. Right, because like,

495
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: for instance, this part of the reason why I think

496
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: the Celtics are gonna win the title is because Devin

497
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: Booker poled his hamstring and Chris Middleton sprained his MCL. Right,

498
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: if you can avoid the more difficult matchups until later

499
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: in the playoff run, that buys you time to be

500
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: the beneficiary of some luck. And so I'm with you.

501
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the Devil's advocate argument. Because if I

502
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: was running the Nets, I would bring Kyrie back, and

503
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: I'd run it for probably one season but the case

504
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: for trading him is each passing year, the contract gets

505
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: worse because he will decline. He's a small guard. He

506
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: will start to play a little bit worse each year

507
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: as time goes on, and then it gets harder and

508
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: harder to move the contract. Secondly, you have to start

509
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: having conversations with yourself about Kyrie's value next to k d.

510
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: Kyrie's value is his ability to create shots right in isolation.

511
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: But that also happens to be Kevin Durant's best skill.

512
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: If I was Brooklyn, I'd be looking at this. If

513
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: I was Katie and Brooklyn, I'd be looking at this

514
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: more like Boston. That formula works the one alpha dog superstar,

515
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: the co star that obviously has scoring potential but is

516
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: a defensive stalwart, and Jaylen Brown, and then role players

517
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: that do all the dirty work so that Jason Tatum

518
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: is bought a great deal of margin for error to

519
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: do what he does best, which is score the basketball

520
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: and to draw defensive attention so that the rest of

521
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: your players can make plays. If you can find a

522
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: package that sends Kyrie Irving out and brings back quality

523
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: two way players, players that aren't the same offensive ceiling

524
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: as Kyrie, but that would thrive in a driving kick

525
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: basketball environment that would have the ability to capitalize in

526
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: four on three scenarios and in bad against bad matchups,

527
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: and provide a great deal of physicality and effort and

528
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: ability to cover ground and everything that you need on

529
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: the defensive end of the floor to succeed in these environments.

530
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: That's the movie you gotta make because I think, like

531
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I said at the beginning, teams like Boston, what makes

532
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Boston so dominant is they are the direction basketball was

533
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: going in. We've all been talking about this modern basketball

534
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: five six, eight guys that all can run and jump

535
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: and shoot and dribble and pass. Well, Boston's kind of

536
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: like the closest thing we've seen to that, and you're

537
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: seeing how dominant it is. So I think rather than

538
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: going with let's play you know, Bruce Brown and Andre

539
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Drummond and just count on Kyrie and Katie to ice

540
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: late all game long, try to build a more modern

541
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: basketball format. Move Kyrie for bigger athletes that can play

542
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: two way basketball and count on Kde to carry you

543
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: as a score. That's his best ability. That that would

544
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: be what I would do if I was running the

545
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: nets for what it's worth. Of people in the chat

546
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: say that the Nets should just let Kyrie walk, which

547
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: I think is a very big number, very big. You

548
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: just lose the asset there, that's the issue. Like I

549
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: get him, but like, again, there's enough. Here's the thing.

550
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Kyrie is not Russell Westbrook. He's not bad at basketball

551
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: right now, Okay, Like he played poorly in this series.

552
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want him for five years in the house.

553
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: You have to not want him for five years because

554
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: of his flakiness. But there's gonna be someone around the

555
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: league that likes him. So I again, I agree, don't

556
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: sign him for five years and keep him for five years,

557
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: but don't let him walk because you lose the asset.

558
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: You gotta sign him, either make a run for a

559
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: year and then trade him or trade him as soon

560
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: as you're able to at the deadline. That's what I

561
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: would do. Yeah, No, I'm totally with you. They would

562
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: be in a pretty bad basketball situation if they just

563
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: let him walk, I think. Okay, so by the way,

564
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: all the way through, so you like, that would be

565
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: a really rough situation for him, right Yeah, there's no

566
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: just reworking that from there. Okay, So we've touched on

567
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: the two enigmatic NETS stars who were on the floor

568
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: and let them down. Let's move on to the enigmatic

569
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: NETS star supposedly who was not on the floor at all,

570
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: and that is Ben Simmons. So obviously just an incredibly

571
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: strange saga for him. We did not see him in

572
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: this series. But what is his future? Yeah? I don't know, man.

573
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is last night I said, because

574
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: the reporting yesterday was Ben Simmons experienced back soreness. That

575
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: was the report, and so he wasn't gonna play in

576
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: game four. I saw it pretty cut and dry, like,

577
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: this isn't a sprained ankle, this is a herniated disc,

578
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: a bulging disc in his back. So yes, if it's

579
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: to one and you think he has a chance to

580
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: come back and swing the series, maybe it's worth the risk.

581
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: Obviously Ben thought it was. He was planning to play,

582
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: but down three oh, with the series basically over, I

583
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: didn't see the point and so I totally was Again

584
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I understand with Ben Simmons's resume in his backstory, it

585
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: just seems like the latest flaky nous from an extremely

586
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: flaky person. I get that. But in the vacuum. It

587
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: was dude with hernia in his back, isn't gonna come

588
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: back in a series down three oh to try to

589
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: make something happen. I get that. But then we had

590
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: the report today that Rich Paul met with the Nets

591
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Brass and now the mental health thing is popping up again.

592
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: And it's confusing because and again, this is a very

593
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: delicate area because we don't know what's going on with Ben,

594
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: and the mental health stuff is a very very sensitive topic,

595
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: and we can't we we can have our assumptions about

596
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: what we think is going on, but those are dangerous assumptions.

597
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: You don't know what's going on in Ben's head, and

598
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: I certainly am am not going to comment on that.

599
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: But what's weird is it seemed like the mental health

600
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: stuff was associated with the way Doc Rivers treated him

601
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: and the way Joel Embie treated him, and the way

602
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: Darryl Morey treated him and the way Philly fans treated him.

603
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: That's what it seemed like. And then we haven't heard

604
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: much about the mental health stuff this entire last part

605
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: of the season, so for it to like come back

606
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: to the forefront of the conversation is strange. My theory

607
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: is that the Nets brass is pissed that he didn't

608
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: playing game for which I and they probably came to him,

609
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: and then that's when it got brought back up again.

610
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: But we don't know. We just don't know. It's a

611
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: very very delicate situation. To make a long story short,

612
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: I would approach Ben Simmons a summer and be like,

613
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna play next year? Man? Because if not,

614
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: we need to know we need to move you. But like,

615
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: this is turning into one of the strangest sagas. And

616
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: if you have to trade Ben Simmons again this summer

617
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: after he didn't play a single game for the Nets,

618
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: his value is lower than it's ever been. So it's

619
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: just a really really tough predicament. But I I don't

620
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: know what you do. And you know, it's such a

621
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: sensitive topic that you can't kind of it's hard to

622
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: come out and be forthright about it, you know what

623
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean. If you were just down the NBA right now,

624
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: about where do you think you would take Ben Simmons

625
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: in a draft out of everybody, just if you're trying

626
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: to build a winning team. Oh man, that's good question.

627
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Um Man. Here's the thing. Imagine Ben Simmons in his

628
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: physical prime, think like last season before he got hurt

629
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: or before this whole back thing came up, and imagine

630
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: plugging him into like Boston system, you know, like as

631
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: a guy that that can defend in an all switching

632
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: system and can attack close outs and things like that.

633
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: The the the inability to shoot is a massive problem.

634
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: The lack of offensive confidence is a massive problem. But

635
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: he is such a devastating weapon on the defensive end

636
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: that I think if you put him in a situation

637
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: because with the Sixers he was weirdly depended on offensively,

638
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: so when he became a shell of himself that couldn't score,

639
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: especially in fourth quarters in that series against the Hawks,

640
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: it was devastating to the Philly offense. But in theory,

641
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: if he's in a different role, there are lots of

642
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: teams around the league that played nonshooters. So if he

643
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: could be a Draymond Green, meaning like he's around other

644
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: great offensive players and his job is to be a

645
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: playmaker off of that attention and to be the best

646
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: defensive player on his team. Ben Simmons was in the

647
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: was in the defensive Player of the Year conversation last year,

648
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: so I would argue that kind of like we had

649
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: a debate the other day where would you rank Draymond

650
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: in his value in the league, And we talked about

651
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: remember Carson. We said he'd be top fifteen if he

652
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: was on the Warriors because the value he brings to

653
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: that specific system was worth so much. Well, the inverse

654
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: of that here is if I could put Ben Simmons

655
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: into the perfect scenario for him to cover for his weakness,

656
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: he's a top player, but if if anything is out

657
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: of line there, he suddenly does drop way, way, way,

658
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: way way further down that list. And so I would

659
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: say that inherently makes you further down that list because

660
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: we can't always have perfect control over our circumstances. If

661
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Absolutely, And like you said, you don't

662
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: know if the guys even gonna play basketball, But I

663
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: totally agree with the general Draymond comp there. I feel

664
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: like Ben Simmons at his best is a superstar role player,

665
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: and that he does so many little things. He has

666
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: such winning trades if you're talking about the playmaking, you know,

667
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: not needing to dominate the ball, if he's willing to

668
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: be that short roller and whatnot, and obviously everything defensively,

669
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: just about right situation and embracing that role. Okay, so

670
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: obviously we start with the players here, but inevitably, when

671
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: there is a team that has accumulated this much talent

672
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: and yet one of their stars won't get the vaccine,

673
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: one of their stars doesn't even play basketball for them,

674
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: and they're losing a disappointing fashion like this, a lot

675
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: of eyes are going to turn to the coach. So

676
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: do you think Steve Nash is coaching the next next year?

677
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: And if not, who is Jason? I think you will be.

678
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: And I've seen some reporting on that now. That can change.

679
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: That can change just because Katie has a change of

680
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: heart over the next two weeks, you know what I mean.

681
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: Katie could literally go back and watch a bunch of

682
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: tape from the series and feel like they weren't organized enough,

683
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: and then approached Joe Sigh and be like, yeah, I

684
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: want a new guy. So that can change. But the

685
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: hoarding is that he's coming back. I've defended Steve Kurt

686
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: to some extent on this show. He doesn't you you

687
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: hit the nail and head Carson. He's had a bunch

688
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: of external circumstances that were out of his control. A

689
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: lot of the way that they play offensively has to

690
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: do with the way Kyrie and Katie want to play.

691
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: You know, they don't really have a ton of like

692
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: big versatile wings to run awesome drive and kick offense,

693
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: because the only way they can do that is by

694
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: playing Patty Mills and Seth Curry and Gore and Drag

695
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: all at the same time. And then they become so

696
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: small that they get demolished. Even when they went small tonight,

697
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: they were getting demolished on the offensive glass. So it's

698
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: kind of just like a downside of roster construction in

699
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, you know. I I think that

700
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: in terms of, like, if they did make a coaching change,

701
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: who you bring in, so much of that depends on

702
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: what they do with the roster this summer. If they

703
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: bring back all of the same guys, you need to

704
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: find somebody that can coach them up in a similar

705
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: manner to email Udoka and try to embrace some of

706
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: that five basketball in that regard. But if there's a

707
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: massive transition and roster over the summer, then so much

708
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: depends on where they land with personnel, because you need

709
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: to have a coach that fits the personnel that you have,

710
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: and my guess is that Steve nashill be back all right, Well, Jason,

711
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: this show for many nights this year was known as

712
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: Lakers Tonight, and then something's changed. But we got to

713
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: tie in a bit of a Lakers angle here because

714
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: obviously felt like nothing could be worse than what happened

715
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: with them. But do you think the Lakers had a

716
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: more disappointing season this year or the Nets the Lakers? Man? Like, Yeah,

717
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: the Lakers were losing to the Oklahoma City Thunder in

718
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: a in a must win playoff game at home with

719
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Lebron James and Anthony Davis. They got manhandled by the

720
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: New Orleans Pelicans like this team, I look, I I

721
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: get it that And this is what makes it so unfair.

722
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: Hadi is gonna take a massive hit in the court

723
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: of public opinion for what happened in this series. And

724
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I would argue now to be clear, with the k

725
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: D situation and the Lebron situation, it has so much

726
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: more to do with their decision making off the court.

727
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: Like I said, who you hit your wagon too? What

728
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: guys you decided to surround yourself with Lebron going after

729
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: Russ was an all time basketball mistake from one of

730
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: the smartest basketball minds that we have in the game,

731
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: Katie Choosing Kyrie, Katie structuring this roster the way that

732
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: he kind of decided to do. That's his fault here.

733
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything to do with who he is

734
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: as a basketball player, So to me, I like to

735
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: keep those two topics separate. But to be clear, Lebron

736
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: did a much more disastrous job the discombobulating the Lakers

737
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: over the course of the last couple of years than

738
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: Kadi did with the Nets, So I do think that

739
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: that's more embarrassing. But like the flip side is is

740
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: like I think if you plug Lebron into this series,

741
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: he would have a better time trying to solve this

742
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: Austin defense because he's much more of a chess player

743
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: in terms of basketball. So like I would argue that

744
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: like Lebron swapped for Katie probably pushes the series to

745
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: five or six games, whereas Katie got swept because it's

746
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: just a better matchup for Lebron. But make no mistake,

747
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: at least the Nets were a respectable basketball team, like

748
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: we talked about twelve and five in their last seventeen games,

749
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: third best offense, eight best defense in the regular season

750
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: over that seventeen game span, the Lakers didn't have anything

751
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: resembling a stretch like that this year. Like there was

752
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: a hilarious moment early in the season where Anthony Davis

753
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: was like, all we gotta do is win ten games

754
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: in a row and the whole, the whole narrative will change.

755
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: And I think the best they did the rest of

756
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: the season was like four games in a row against

757
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: bad teams, Like it's just the Lakers. Like as much

758
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: as the Nets were a disaster in this playoff run,

759
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: the Lakers were an all time dumpster fire. So I

760
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: would definitely give them the trophy for that. I totally agree.

761
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: I mean, the Nets were this regular season thirty six

762
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: and nineteen when Katie played, and all four games in

763
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: the series were decided by seven or less against a

764
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: team that you said you think is the title favorite.

765
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: I think certainly looks the best out East right now.

766
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: So I think there are different levels. I think this

767
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Lakers team is genuinely the most disappointing ever, Like I've

768
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: went back and thought about it, and I truly don't

769
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: think there's ever been a under achieved the expectations to this.

770
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: They were the second favorite in Vegas coming into the season. Yeah,

771
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: the Lebron and a d together when the when those

772
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: two play, But in the previous season's one like almost

773
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: of their games and they were a five hundred team

774
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: with those two guys. This year, it's an all time disaster.

775
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: You Yeah, I mean, like I said, the nets with

776
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: Katie were thirty six and nineteen. The Lakers did not

777
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: win thirty six games all year, So totally regardless, though,

778
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: this is definitely a rough moment for Katie, as we

779
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: touched on earlier, and I think a lot of people

780
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: have pointed to just how incredible his situation was in

781
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: Golden State, and you know, it just seemed like guaranteed

782
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: titles upon titles. At the same time, like you talked

783
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: about with Barkley and whatnot, there is a devaluing of

784
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: those titles. But do you think Katie is ever going

785
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: to actually win a title without Steph and without being

786
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: tied to him, and just the dominance of that Warriors

787
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: team that you know was so great before he even

788
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: got there. It's not out of the realm of possibility.

789
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: Each year gets a little harder as you age. That's

790
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: why I'm so bummed out about Lebron blowing this season

791
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: with the Russell Westbrook experiment, because like, Lebron was an

792
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: incredible basketball player this year, and it was totally wasted,

793
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and so obviously the

794
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: opportunities are running out. All I would say is never

795
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: count a guy out, just like Dirk in two thousand eleven,

796
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: like all it takes is a few things breaking your way.

797
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: A good match up here, a good match up there,

798
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: an injury here, an injury there, a move that pans out.

799
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: You know, they could make a Kyrie trade and get

800
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: back a couple of pieces and capture some synergy there,

801
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: and suddenly have you know, something that no one can stop.

802
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: So I would say that I would put it at

803
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: less than fift that he gets it done, so less

804
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: than a coin flip. But it's certainly still in the

805
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: realm of possibility, which is why I've been cautioning people

806
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: against grave dancing. In two thousand nineteen. If you would

807
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: have asked me if Lebron ever wins another championship again,

808
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: I would have said less than a coin flip, And

809
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, they pull off an Anthony Davis trade,

810
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: and they're the best team in the league next year,

811
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: kick everyone's ass and they're holding the trophy, So things

812
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: can change. It's just it's just a question of, you know,

813
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: did Katie learn to value a lesson here, which I

814
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: believe he did, and is he willing to even though

815
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: because Kyrie is one of his best friends, man Like,

816
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: Katie is fiercely loyal to Kyrie to the point where

817
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: I think that he's even a little bit over defensive

818
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: of some of Kyrie's quirks. And so the way that

819
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: I see it, like, as long as he's willing to

820
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: acknowledge that and willing to make the change that he

821
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: needs to make, I think that he has he still

822
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: has a good chance to get it done. Yeah. I mean,

823
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: I think you're spot on with evoking the Lebron comparison there.

824
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: You just don't know. As long as these guys are

825
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: at peak in the conversation for best player in the

826
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: world level, a lot of people want to come play

827
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: with them. And obviously there is still a lot of

828
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: basketball talent on this roster, and Katie has not fallen

829
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: off at thirty three off of an achilles tear, so

830
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'd be hesitant to just presume that he's

831
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: going to fall off too quickly anytime soon. Okay, last

832
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: question here, for the first time, we'll touch on something

833
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: non NETS related. Looks like the Raptors are about to

834
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: beat the Sixers, So, Jason, obviously you picked Toronto before

835
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: this series. Are you starting there? Okay, let me pull

836
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: it up real quick, but regardless, I'll get it to

837
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: you in a second. Do you think, though it's with

838
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 1: a minute eighteen left, do you think we may see

839
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: the Sixers from the first team ever? Yeah? To blow

840
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: a three nothing lead, man, you can so so Okay,

841
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: for everyone who's watching, I have not watched a single

842
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: dribble of this game. I will watch the entire film

843
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning and I will break it down. Follow me

844
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Underscore Jason lt. I'll break it down

845
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and then tomorrow night we will have a

846
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: full segment devoted to this. So we will break this

847
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: down eventually. But as I was watching that NETS game

848
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: and I was peeking up in the corner and seeing

849
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: the score, you could almost feel it, Carson. You could

850
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: just feel you could feel the toxic energy coming from

851
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: that scoreboard, like you could just tell, like I like,

852
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: I could just see like palms getting sweaty, crowd getting annoyed,

853
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: the potentially considering booing, all of that stuff. The Sixers

854
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: are the better team and they have two opportunities to

855
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: beat the Raptors. They should win. But there were a

856
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: lot of things that went against the Raptors to start

857
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: the series. Scottie Barnes getting hurt, Pascal Siakam and Fred

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Speaker 1: van Viet Van Vleet getting out played by Tyrese Maxie.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of Gary Trent Jr. And his

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00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: illness and his inability to basically be functional at all

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00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: in games one, two, and three. So there are some

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00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: things that are favor in Toronto now. Pascal Siakam again,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what happened tonight. He played great

864
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 1: in Game four. Gary Trent Junior played great in Game four.

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Speaker 1: They finally got out in transition after getting destroyed in

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00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: transition in all of the earlier games of the series.

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Speaker 1: So there are some things that are headed their way.

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Speaker 1: And again for the help I said this last week,

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00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: for the health of the game of basketball, we need

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Speaker 1: Philly to lose because the approach, even though I love

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00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Joel and DS game his approach to foul hunting I

872
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: have a huge problem with in terms of the watch ability,

873
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: the product, and the health of the league in the

874
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Speaker 1: long run. Same thing goes with James Harden. So, like

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Speaker 1: I think it's important for Philly to lose, and I

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Speaker 1: could not think of a more magnificent fashion than them

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00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: blowing a three oh lead. I'd be lying if I

878
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 1: told you I wasn't rooting for it. It's absolutely what

879
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for. But I would Again, there's a reason

880
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: this has never been done before. It's absolutely been pushed

881
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: to game six before, It's happened a couple of times.

882
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: The team always just figures it out in Game seven

883
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: at home almost always goes to the home team. Their

884
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: stats on that that are crazy. So I still would

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Speaker 1: pick Philly, But man, I want it. I want it

886
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: bad Carson. It's hilarious too, because Nick Nurse said when

887
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: they were down three oh, we just got to get

888
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: into three one, and then that's been done before. Would

889
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: it be more on brand for Doc Rivers or James

890
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Harden to be the first ever to blow a three

891
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: nothing lead. That's like the poetic justice of it, Although

892
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: right Carson, Like, yeah, like think of it like this,

893
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: for something never to have been that's never been done before,

894
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: to be accomplished, you need a force. You need forces

895
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: to come into conjunction together. And it was gonna require

896
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: the all time choka tude of James Harden with the

897
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: all time choka tude of Doc Rivers coming together to

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00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: pull off this magnificent achievement. So I guess I guess

899
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Speaker 1: that that's just it's it's poetic. That's the way it's

900
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: supposed to go down. Real quick. You want to guess

901
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: hardened stat line in this game, well, as history would

902
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: tell us, two for eleven? Was he two for eleven?

903
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: Please tell me he was two for eleven? Close, close,

904
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: four of eleven, four of eleven. Okay, that's not that's

905
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: but hey, here's the thing. Four made field goals in

906
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: a chance to close out a team at home to

907
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: prevent having to go to Toronto. But I mean, we've

908
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: talked about that to death. We'll get more and we

909
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: will get more into this series. Um tomorrow night, and

910
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: like I said, tomorrow on my Twitter feed in the morning.

911
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: But I oh, man, I I hope so, I hope

912
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: so Carson, Yeah, man, fifteen and seven with five turnovers

913
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Speaker 1: on four of eleven shooting. Not exactly a big game

914
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: from Big Game James. Alright, alright, we do have more

915
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: thing here coming back to the Nets because we have

916
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: some Kyrie news. He says he plans to resign with

917
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: the Nets. Quote when I say I'm here with keV,

918
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: I think that really entails us managing this franchise together

919
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: alongside Joe and Sean. So what do you what's your

920
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: action to that? So not a big surprise we've talked

921
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: about on the show. Kyrie and Katie's friendship is a

922
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: lot stronger than I think people realize. Um. I will

923
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: say this though, kind of like when do you guys

924
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: remember after the Lakers lost to the Pelicans and Lebron

925
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: and a D were sitting on the bench after the game,

926
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: him exasperated, and Russ came up to him. It was

927
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: like it was like slapping him on the knee and

928
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: like trying to cheer him up and like like getting

929
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: mad at Frank Vogel for not playing him enough and

930
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and there was like this, there was

931
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: this weird expression on Lebron and A D's face, like

932
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: this awkward, like I can't believe this guy's talking to

933
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: me right now type of energy. Like that's the thing is,

934
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: like there will be a point with every friendship. Because

935
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: Lebron and Russ were friends, there will be a point

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Speaker 1: in every friendship where eventually it becomes too much to

937
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: deal with. And I do wonder if k D looks

938
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: at this and goes, hey, man, this is the one

939
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: thing I need from you. Like I'm the seven footer,

940
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: I can be a defensive full crum, I can be

941
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: this great playmaker that I can be from time to time.

942
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: You're the guy who's supposed to be able to create

943
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: his own shot against any defense. And he was like

944
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: completely chopped off at the knees after game one, and

945
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: so you know, from the standpoint of Kevin Durant, I

946
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: would just be watching out for Katie eventually just being

947
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: sick of him. All Right, guys, that is all we

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Speaker 1: have for tonight. I sincerely appreciate your support. As always,

949
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: check out my Twitter feed tomorrow morning for some breakdowns

950
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: of the games from tonight, and then tomorrow night, after

951
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: the final buzzer of the final game, we will get

952
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: into the weeds about the two games from tonight as well.

953
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: As everything that was going on in tomorrow night's late.

954
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate your guys support and we will

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow