WEBVTT - The Greg Bovino Episode Extravaganza! 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:09.000 Media. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast that 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:13.119 is about bad people, and it turns out there's a 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.079 lot of those in the world, only more of them 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.520 every year. It feels like to commiserate with me about 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:25.080 that point. My guest today, Jack O'Brien, Doctor Jack O'Brien, 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:31.680 mister Colonel Jack O'Brien, President Jack O'Brien. All of the titles, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.640 esquire what other titles are there? Do we have titles for? 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:41.440 Like I don't know, I like colonel the honorable colonel, 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.920 because that that's one that when they give it to you, 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.320 you can just start calling yourself that, Like you just 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:54.760 did an episode about this dream the colonel dream was 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.520 just like just like somebody called him that one time, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:02.680 I think in like New Orleans and they were like, 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.440 we'll make you honorable colonel, and he was like started 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.600 trying his name on legal documents. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.240 Oh yeah, what if I ever if I was ever 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.319 made a Kentucky colonel or whatever other kind of anytime. 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.880 The second I get made a colonel, I am never 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.120 introducing myself any other way, like I. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:21.360 Like to think. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.720 So when we went to the R and C and DNC, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:28.080 they had this display of President's shoes. I like to 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.640 think if there was like a podcast version of it, 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.120 it would just be Jack's, Jordan's. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.560 Jordan's Yeah, I have some behind me right there. Yeah. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:43.080 I think that's very nice with you, Sophie. I don't 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.360 think I can take credit for all podcasts. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:50.880 You know what's not nice of me? Maybe I thought 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.880 they're telling you the telling you the life story of 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.360 Greg Bovino. No, I really like the Robert. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.680 Can you share the working title that you did, because 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.600 it's it's a great working title. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.200 I just I don't know, you see, I was I 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.840 went back and forth on it because I feel like 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.480 it's too obvious. I just called him America's Kirkland brand 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:10.440 Gestapo chief. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.280 Yeah, yeah, I love it. I like it. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.040 I like that there's there's the thing because like there 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.680 are people. He gets angry that people compare Ice to 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:19.880 the Gesta and he's not with Ice, he's Border Patrol. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.320 But you know they're all gestapo esque and people get 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.480 angry about them. And there's there's like three different kinds 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.079 of people here. There's like normal people who are like, yeah, 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.880 it seems like some Gestapo kind of thing. There's like 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.200 closet Nazis and Trump administration being like, first off, it's 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:36.960 Gestapo and second. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.959 Second, you're using the wrong font to make that accusation. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.360 And then there's guys like me who tries to switch 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.200 between the two. Yeah, just because I've read too many 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:51.040 books and watch too many documentaries about the Gestapo. Wow, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.360 we're doing Yes, I'm not being sus. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.920 Shocked to hear that about you. Robert Evans, host of 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.519 Behind the Bastards. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:10.520 Yeah, so, Jack, what do you know about Greg Gregory? 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.239 That time we had a Greg commit like crimes against 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.240 humanity in this country? Now, yeah, it was about it 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.600 was not about time, but I feel like it hasn't 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:21.440 happened before. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.840 I think, you know, diversity of first name is really important. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.480 So I was also welcoming when Greg showed up on 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:29.840 the scene. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:34.240 Finally, finally, some Greg representation in the crimes. 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:41.680 I host a daily news show called The Daily Zeh as. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.440 A man, you were a man who needed no introduction. 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.280 But clearly that's irresponsible. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.280 Well no, but I mean due to that show, do 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:54.200 have some experience covering the latest happenings. But we do 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.360 that show twice a day, and therefore I don't I 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.160 didn't have a lot of time to dig in to 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:04.040 his backstory to really, uh see what makes this guy tick? 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.480 You know, Yeah, I have a feeling. I I was 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:12.760 just like kind of uh using context clues and making 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:18.320 educated guesses about what makes him tick. Yeah, yeah, I don't. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:22.280 I don't know that much other than that he his 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.320 rapid rise and precipitous dismissal. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.240 Yeah yeah, and that's actually happened once before in his career. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.320 We're not tad about a little bit. Yeah, not Greg 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.920 Greg again. You can't mean, like like you go back 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.120 to like the other crimes against humanity this country has committed. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.479 You can't imagine like a greg having some significant role 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.760 in like the displacement of the Native Americans, right, or 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:52.200 like you can't imagine Greg like Greg's not an old 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.520 It's like, yeah, it's I have trouble imagine. I can 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.120 imagine a Gregory. I can imagine like a Gregory something 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.680 are there being involved in one of this nation's great crimes. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.120 I can see that name signed on too, like the 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.960 order to in turn people. But not a Greg you know, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.599 like there weren't Gregs until very recently. I feel like 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.880 it's certainly not in a position where they could do 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.640 crimes against humanity. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:17.320 Like Gregg Gregg. It's like kind of got like a 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:22.120 gen X like quality to it, where it's, yeah, yeah, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:23.679 you can just call me Greg. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.640 Would it be better worse if he was a Craig, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.680 Like would we believe him more or less? Because I 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:34.359 feel like Greg, I do believe Greg doing more than Craig. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.000 Greg is worse. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.400 Craig is a is a trustworthy name, you know, Greg. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.480 There's a little something sketchy about it. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.760 Yeah, when did Gregg's first start showing up just not 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.760 Gregory's but Greg. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.760 Greg It had to have been like the seventies. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.240 My cousin Greg succession. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.640 There you go, that's the birth of Greg. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.600 Greig is a young person's name. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.440 Further point, but literally in that show, he decides he 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.440 wants to be taken seriously and he's like asks people 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.080 to call him Gregory, but he says it like, uh 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:10.680 gregor as. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.560 On the wrong syllable, Yeah, the wrong syllable. Uh Yeah. 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.520 I recently met a seventy something year old man named Corey. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:26.680 You're are you the first Corey? And I did? I 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.120 did ask him that, and he didn't think it was funny. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.960 Cory is such a young person's name. Yeah, yeah, Greg. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.040 Well, we've all tried to learn about this. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.640 Joyd hearing more because it's gonna be upsetting. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.240 I will be over on my end googling historical Greg's 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.320 first Greg History Comma uh so I said to have 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.919 to write this episode the week mister Bovino lost a 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.400 special job dressing like a Naziqual overseeing Border patrol operations 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.799 alongside ice in Minneapolis. He made the news several times 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.960 for statements in the wake of the murders of Rede 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.280 Good and Alex Pretty, and during the first year of 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.320 the Trump administration had generally turned himself into the physical 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.280 embodiment of the regime's violence towards Americans. It's too early 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.880 to say what the future holds for Greg, but given 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:15.520 that he just took a turn a sin eater for 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:17.560 the Trump administration, I think it's time we look into 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.440 who this guy is and where he came from. And 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.920 in short, he's not quite the guy I expected. There's 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.800 very little in Bovino's early life and even in most 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.120 of his career with the Border Patrol that would have 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.120 led one to predict he'd have turned into this I'm 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:33.800 not saying you'd have expected him to be like a 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.679 great guy, but that like the fact that he wound 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.360 up in at this moment in history doing this thing 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.360 is like a little surprising most of his former Yeah, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.600 he's not. He doesn't seem like he was built for 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.080 this his whole life. And you don't get a lot 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.400 of quotes from his pre people who used to know 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.840 him being like, oh yeah, that makes sense for old Greg, 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.600 you know, yeah, most. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:58.320 Of more just like they don't really remember him no 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.680 more of like, uh huh that guys doing that. Huh. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.080 It's the general reaction. It's it's again like if this 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.000 guy in your school who wasn't super bad at anything, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.400 but wasn't very good at anything and never really stood 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.440 out at anything winds up on the news dragging Americans 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.360 out of their home and tear gassing them in the 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.760 street for no reason. You're like, is he dressed like 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:21.280 a Nazi? 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.840 Whereas like Stephen Miller is like the James of Nazis, 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.160 Like where everybody in high school was like, this guy 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.080 is going to be Nazi the world? 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.360 Did you just say the le bron James of Nazis. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.680 I think it's a good comparison, so. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:47.520 That he was a standout Nazi from from the very 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.800 earliest ages. People you couldn't miss chosen. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.800 He was the lebron or Stephen Miller in sixth grade. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.240 You knew what they were growing up to do. This 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.400 guy is gonna be the best basketball player where ever, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.679 and this guy's gonna be a fucking Nazi. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:09.240 Yes, yeah, I think you're right money with that, Jack, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.280 Not really. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.840 No, there's maybe one piece of evidence, but it's not good. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.120 So most of the evidence is that he's kind of 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.240 like not the guy you'd expect to have done this. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.200 Now that said, we don't have a lot about Greg's 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.640 early life. The only journalists who have really dug into 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:31.880 Bovino's life in a credible way are Dan Mihelopolis and 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.319 Lauren Fitzpatrick of the Chicago Sun Times, and they did 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.280 great work. They did both a podcast and an article 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.120 looking into his backstory. Aside from them, there's just one 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.480 Daily Mail article that talks to his sister, and so 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.440 we have a lot from his sister, who I don't 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:50.840 consider the most credible witness about this guy. Right, So 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.120 there's just not a ton of detail. And then there's 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.200 some sketchier sources on the matter, so we got some 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.000 open questions still. That said Greg was born on March 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:05.320 twenty seventh, nineteen seventy in San Bernardino, California, which I 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.440 bet you didn't call San Berndino Baby. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.120 You know that's good I didn't because I don't know. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:15.480 I cannot differentiate any like any of those la. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.920 He's the pieces. That's such a West La thing to say, too, Jack, It's. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.520 A I'm bad at LA stuff too. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.280 I'm just like I. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.000 I grew up on the East Coast and I'm just 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:27.880 like San. 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.920 Yeah, Inland Empire, Jack Inland Empire. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.960 In about San Berndino from the Frank Zappa song San Bernandino, 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.480 And hearing that Greg Bobino was born in San Berdino 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.520 makes me also think of the Frank Zappa song Baby Snakes, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.119 because at this point he's a baby snake, you know. Yeah, 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.320 and those are bad right they can well really but 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.760 yeah baby snakes. Sure, yeah, absolutely, It's not their fault. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.440 They're just snakes. But yes, yes, he's born there. And 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.400 because he would embark on a career of at and 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.360 facilitating the brutalization of immigrants, a lot has been made 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.320 of the immigration history of his own family. And I 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.560 have some qualms with this because you're mostly bringing this 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.880 up to be like you're hurting these people, yet a 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.880 generation or two ago your family was in the same situation. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.640 Can't you see why that's fucked up? And my answer 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.520 to that is no, they can't. They're bad people, right, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.640 Like It's like, at a certain point, are you like 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.040 you could again people do this thing with Stephen Miller's 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.520 background or Trump's and it's like, yeah, I mean they're bad. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.160 They don't care. They don't care, they're bad people. 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.160 They suck Like, oh, that didn't work pointing out the 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.679 hypoglypsy of the behavior their background. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:37.920 Yeah, I feel. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.000 Like a three million time we do it, it's just 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.040 gonna like break through it and be like a damn 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:43.760 and they'll be like. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.280 Yeah, it's the too many people believe their moms when 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.280 they were like that bully. You know, if that bully 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.720 knew he was hurting you, he'd feel bad, and it's like, right, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:58.440 he's a dick. That's not how they work. So yeah, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.559 it's it's also just like, yeah, basically every white person, 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.040 if you go back two generations, has like an immigration 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.880 story in this country because it's the United States. That's 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.640 kind of how it happened here for most people. But 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.800 as you might have guessed from the name, the Bavinos 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.880 were originally Italian. In nineteen oh nine, Michelle Bovino, who 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:22.079 is Greg's great grandfather, left the village of Alprigliano in 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.600 the mountains of southern Italy. His home was racked with 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.480 poverty and dominated by organized criminal cartels, much like certain countries. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.560 Our administration doesn't think he should be sending us immigrants today, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.280 so it is a pretty direct comparison. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:35.800 Not a popular source. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.480 Of people back then, right, No, no, they were not. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.240 The United States not thrilled these people are coming over. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.079 So Michel, who I'm sure was immediately called Michael as 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.080 soon as you can't be going by that here, left 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.560 his wife and kids behind. So they are staying back 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.679 in Italy, and I guess he's sending them back money 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.599 as he seeks to make a life for himself in 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.400 the United States. So he's doing that for years until 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.080 this takes a while, until in May of nineteen twenty four, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.840 there's a panic over immigration in the halls of power 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.200 in the United States, and this was you know, the 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.480 result of kind of a long simmering pot. From the 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.080 early eighteen hundreds, most immigration into the US had been 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.800 Western and Northern Europeans, aka the whitest of the white people. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.280 And we had some issues with some of them, right, 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.880 There's some like, oh, a welshman's here now, but like 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.480 you know, for the most part, it's like, well, they're 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.120 all pretty We're all pretty white, right, these people. You know, 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.800 not to say that nobody faced bigotry when they came here, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.160 but they're all you know, this is like the founding 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.719 stock and the ideas of people by that point in time, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.559 by the time you hit the eighteen hundreds, and by 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.000 the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundred, shits starting 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.079 to shift. Immigrants are now coming more from Eastern and 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.120 Southern Europe, where the white people are not quite as white. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.920 The first twenty or so years of the nineteen hundreds 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:53.400 also coincided with the largest search in immigration in US history. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.280 Up to that point, eugenics was beginning to become a 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.839 popular topic of discussion, and among educated racists, it was 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.800 believe that many different European nations were also effectively different races. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.559 Per an article in the Migration Policy Institute, The influential 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.920 eugenicist Charles Davenport considered Italians prone to crimes of personal violence, 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.800 while Jews were characterized by intense individualism and ideals of 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.959 gain at the cost of any interest. Since eugenicists believe 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:23.160 individual races possess different characteristics and abilities, Davenport argued, the 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.120 government should be careful not to adulterate our national germ 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.400 plasm with socially unfit traits. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.640 And you know, and what this was in what small 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.200 corner of the internet. Oh wait, this was in academia. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.800 This is this is in Congress at this point, I mean, this. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.680 Is it was so popular, Like Americans don't understand how 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.480 popular that was in the early twentieth century. If you've 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.240 seen a picture with a man with like a stethoscope 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.960 or a fucking pince nez or whatever and doctor in 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.320 front of his name. In nineteen ten, he believed the 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.240 most racist things you can imagine because he read it 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.000 in the text book that was like the dvs Czech 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.520 has these characters like a D and D source book 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.280 where it's like, oh, they get plus two to strike, 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.800 you know, like that's literally how these people are like 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.400 learning this shit. It's in textbooks, and it's in the 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.720 textbooks that our congressmen are reading, and they're going to 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.000 yell at too about all of the Italians that are 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.720 coming into the country. Enter the Dillingham Commission, which was 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.479 set up by Congress to study the consequences of immigration. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.040 It released report in nineteen oh nine, that's right after, 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.360 but two years after Michelle came to the United States 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.600 that argued northern and Western Europeans were just kind of 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.320 better people from the other parts of Europe, and it 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.440 suggested the Dillingham Report suggested a wide range of policies 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.440 to discourage immigration from unworthy places, including literacy tests and 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.400 racial quotas. Right, that's where a lot of this stuff, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.840 you know, is when America really starts thinking about immigration 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.520 and the border in a very modern way. You know, 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.280 there'd been panics over it before, and you know, legislation, 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.640 but a lot of our modern apparatus of how we 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.360 think about immigration, of how we think about white genocide, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.960 and that sort of all starts right in this period 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.680 of time. And to make a long story short, the 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.560 Dillingham Commission releases that reported nineteen eleven. You know, things 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.280 still move slowly in the halls of power, but this 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.480 eventually culminates in nineteen twenty four in the Immigration Act, 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.960 which restricted immigration in an attempt to ensure most deriving 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.880 immigrants were from the good places. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.920 For the MPI, it closed the door in almost all 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.760 New Asian immigration and shut out most European Jews and 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.800 other refugees fleeing fascism and the horrors of the Holocaust 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.400 in Europe. One of the most restrictive immigration laws in 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.280 US history, it played a key role in any of 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.560 the previous era of largely unrestricted immigration. So this is 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.920 when immigration as like a modern concept really gets started. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.280 And Greg Bevino's ancestor, this is just. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.080 A relevant context for people who are like, this is 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.760 not what America is about. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.800 Well, it's kind of been the way we have it 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.840 for a while in the last one hundred and something years. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.600 And Greg Bavino's ancestor knew that this posts a threat 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.760 to his plan because he's making money and he's sending 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.880 it over to Italy. But his plan is I want 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.920 to bring my family with me right to the lane 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.320 of opportunity at some point, and he sees this Act 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.560 to get passed and He's like, shit, that's about to 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.200 get a lot harder. So within days of the Immigration 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.320 Act passing, he files paperwork to start the process of 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.719 becoming a citizen. Once this process was completed in nineteen 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.600 twenty seven, he brought his family over and they became 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.640 citizens through a process known as chain migration. Here's how 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.480 The Sun Times explains what happened after Michelle was naturalized 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.600 in nineteen twenty seven. He was reunited with his wife 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.720 and four children and at Pennsylvania Cold Company Town after 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.000 their arrival on the steamship the SS Giuseppe Verde Record Show. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.160 Then the kids, including Vincenzo twelve, Gregory Bovino's future grandfather, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:53.120 automatically benefited from a derivative citizenship law for minors. Luigia 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.240 would become a naturalized citizen. So all is it's, you know, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.640 chain migration is kind of exactly the thing that they're 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.520 trying to stop now. It's to be part of why 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.480 they want to reverse some of the citizenships that have 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.199 been granted, because a lot of them are granted in 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.240 ways that are very related to this right, right, and 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:11.879 it's what they want to stop because they want to 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.439 stop families from coming over here and getting larger. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.000 They've just they've benefited from this random crapshoot of laws 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:19.160 and everyone did. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:20.160 Yeah. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.560 They don't want anybody else to get lucky like they did. 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.160 Right, And they don't want any other ethnic groups, as 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.879 they see it, or racial groups to come here and 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.040 start breeding, right, which is what Italians did. You know, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.200 It's what everybody did. It's kind of the entire point 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:38.800 of the country, you know. 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.240 Kind of the whole deal. The melting pot is a 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.320 very chaste way of saying a lot of people came 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:46.600 here and started fucking each. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.520 Other pot, right, and. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:54.680 Everything kind of mixed together. I do love how rigorously 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.439 Italian everything. It's an incredible name of the boat that 0:18:58.480 --> 0:18:59.280 they came over all. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:04.320 Yeah, just Agenzo. Yeah, they were nearly out of pizza 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.280 by the time they hit the dops. Yes, I know. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.120 The Trump administration has cited the nineteen twenty four immigration 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:12.840 law as an example of the kind of reforms they 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.159 seek to make. They've also repeatedly cited chain migration stories 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.200 like this as an example of things like why birthright 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.320 citizenship and Juwsoli need to be revisited. For his part, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.200 Baveno does not seem interested in his family background, and 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:25.760 I don't know that it was much of a factor 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.119 in his raising. For him, the most influential thing that 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.679 happened in nineteen twenty four may not have even been 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.919 the Immigration Act because that is also the year the 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.400 Border Patrol was created, and that's going to be Greg 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.159 Bavino's whole life. So, like I said, he's born in 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.000 San Bordino because his father had just been drafted to 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.520 fight in Vietnam. So don't worry. Like my native Inland 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.560 Empire people, they don't stay very long. They're just stationed 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.560 on a military base nearby, and two years later, when 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.919 his father gets discharged, the family moves back east to 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.240 Blowing Rock, North Carolina, which is the real name of 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.240 a place. Don't make fun of it, you know. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.080 Blowing Rock, North Carolina. 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.120 When you first mentioned San Bernardino, I was like confused 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.480 because he doesn't give big Inland Empire energy. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.840 No, he's not an Inland Empire guy. No, he's there 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:13.320 two years. 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.000 Yeah, so this this makes more sense. 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:27.920 He does give Blowing Rock energy. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.879 I do. I do kind of wonder is there any 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.080 and he doesn't say anything about this, so maybe I'm 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.679 reading into it. Maybe two years isn't enough time. But 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.320 I've lived in parts of uh, you know, the the 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.520 deep rural areas where oh, you didn't come here to 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.679 you were two. You're not really from here, boy, you know. 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:43.720 So I don't know if that was any part of 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:44.600 his background or not. 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:46.080 New family. 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:49.880 Coming up here. That was twenty years ago. 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:57.119 Mark called him Hollywood, here comes Hollywood. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.439 Yeah, I could see that, but they don't say anything 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:06.159 about that. That's purely a head cannon for fucking Greg Bavino. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.600 And to be fair, probably not the case because his 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.359 dad's side of the family's just come here, but his 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.520