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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace missing mom Suzanne Morpheu's body,

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Speaker 1: her remains, her bones found in a wasteland known as

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Speaker 1: the Boneyard. This as husband Barry Morphew insists in court.

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Speaker 1: I didn't do it. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Barry Morphy, charged in his wife Suzanne's murder, walks free

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Speaker 2: because now his wife's body turns up what's left of

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Speaker 2: it full of animal tranquilizers.

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Speaker 3: Did you have anything to do with the disappearance of

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Speaker 3: your wife.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's very hurtful to lose your reputation and

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Speaker 1: your integrity. That from our friends at GMA. Good morning America.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone, Thank you for being with us tonight. What

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Speaker 1: a long and twisted and Rocky wrote it has been

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Speaker 1: to get husband Barry more few in court. I mean

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Speaker 1: straight out to veteran trial lawyer who shot to fame

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Speaker 1: during the Alex Murdog trial in his backyard, Mark Tate,

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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer joining us from the Tate Law Group, Mark,

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Speaker 1: it's a field day for a defense attorney to have

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Speaker 1: the original charges dropped. Thrown out, the original murder charges

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Speaker 1: against Barry more Few were thrown out for various reasons.

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Speaker 1: But the case was almost cooked, almost baked. You know

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Speaker 1: when you open the oven and you look at the

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Speaker 1: cake and it looks good, but you touch it, it's

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Speaker 1: a little gooey on the inside. Too soon, right, the

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Speaker 1: case was thrown out and Barry Moore Few did a

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Speaker 1: little jig up and down the Cournhouse halls. Hey I'm free,

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Speaker 1: And he sued the government for fifteen million dollars claiming

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Speaker 1: prosecutorial misconduct. That's bold. You should just take your win

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Speaker 1: and quietly creep away. But hgub l n O more

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Speaker 1: a Few filed a fifteen million dollar lawsuit against the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors for prosecutorial misconduct and more. He's been reindicted.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a terrible the civil laws suitable idea, horrible idea.

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Speaker 4: I'm a plaintiffs lawyer as well, and I think I

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Speaker 4: would want to talk to that lawyer on behalf of

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Speaker 4: more Few and discuss the bad, bad advice that he got.

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Speaker 4: It may well be legal malpractice to have done that,

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Speaker 4: because it certainly drew Barry back into the spotlight of

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Speaker 4: this district Attorney's office. I think that causes a real pain.

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Speaker 1: Take back, cut, take day, take number one. It pains me,

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Speaker 1: but I agree with you. But you can't say the

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Speaker 1: prosecutors refiled the indictment, the murder indictment against Barry Morphia

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Speaker 1: because they were po technical legal term, it's a Latin

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Speaker 1: derivative pode oh the lawsuit because they tried, like h

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Speaker 1: double l at the beginning to indictment, indict him and

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Speaker 1: charge him in this case, and no lawsuit had ever

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Speaker 1: been filed. But I will say that suing the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: for fifteen million dollars and you're acting all innocent, like

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Speaker 1: your hands are clean, Yeah, that did pour a little

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Speaker 1: gas on the flame. I think you're right about that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they weren't inciitivized before to indict him,

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Speaker 1: they were then tate.

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Speaker 4: Well, sure, lawyers are motivated by many things. And you

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Speaker 4: got somebody coming after you saying that you were inappropriate

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Speaker 4: in your job, you're going to say, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: I think we to spend some more time on this.

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Speaker 4: And in this instance, I think it made it so

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Speaker 4: their likelihood proven guilt beyond a reasonable doubt changes significantly,

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Speaker 4: mainly because now they have apparently very well put together

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Speaker 4: autopsy results, and so I know you like to say,

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Speaker 4: I want.

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Speaker 1: To yes, oh, yes, let's talk about those autopsy results.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of BAM? B brother, a alpha

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Speaker 1: m mother. It's be torphinal zapperone and metatoma medda to

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Speaker 1: mid die metatoma dine. What is it? It's an animal tranquilizer.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter on the case

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Speaker 1: from the very beginning, Dave Mac. Dave Mac, how many

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Speaker 1: people in the state of Colorado, the state, not the city,

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Speaker 1: not the county, the state of Colorado have access or

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Speaker 1: have obtained BAM.

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Speaker 3: There's only one private citizen living in the entire state

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Speaker 3: of Colorado that had access as to BAM, Barry Morphew.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Mark Tate? One person that's not

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Speaker 1: a vet or a licensed professional, and the whole state

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Speaker 1: has access to BAM. I don't know why he had

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Speaker 1: to have animal tranquilizers. He came up with a story

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Speaker 1: that I think that he would shoot the animals and

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Speaker 1: the whole state. Okay, now we've got the setup. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm going out to special guests joining us. Doctor William Moroney,

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Speaker 1: medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid treatment expert, author of American Narcan.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney is running for the Michigan thirty five district

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Speaker 1: State Senate seat. And I wish you luck on that that,

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Speaker 1: although I hate to lose you to politics. Oh that said,

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Speaker 1: he didn't just write a book. He created his own

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Speaker 1: mobile opioid treatment facility. Mobile. He travels around trying to

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Speaker 1: help people and explain to them and treat them for

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Speaker 1: opioid addiction and overdose and raises a family and as

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Speaker 1: a medical examiner, that said, Bam, I will let you

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Speaker 1: pronounce these. These drugs beutrphenol as zaparone and the other one.

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Speaker 5: What are they Beutorphenol is used in migraine headaches. It's

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Speaker 5: an opioid derivative. The menomtomidate that is only used to

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Speaker 5: intubate in surgery and by ambulances. And Azaperone is a

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Speaker 5: family that we know from buse pronone, which is an

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Speaker 5: anti azelitic, takes away anxiety and in high doses it's

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Speaker 1: Okay, I need you to, and I had to struggle

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Speaker 1: with medical examiners my entire prosecution career. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I didn't disagree very often with what they said. I

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Speaker 1: just can't understand what you're saying. It's like you're speaking

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Speaker 1: in hieroglyphics, you know, Egyptian writing. And if I can't

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Speaker 1: understand it, I don't expect a jury to understand it either.

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Speaker 1: So these are my layperson notes. Metrphenol is a synthetic.

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Speaker 1: It's an opioid, and in US it's a controlled substance according.

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Speaker 2: To the DEA.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you can't get it at Walgreens. Okay.

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Speaker 1: The second one, the A in a zaparine. The A

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Speaker 1: in BAM causes tranquilization. It's a tranquilizer. It reduced. This

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Speaker 1: A is for. So the first one is an opioid derivative,

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Speaker 1: like heroin is an opioid derivative. The next one immobilizes

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Speaker 1: been shown useful for anesthesia and immobilization in zoo animals. Now,

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Speaker 1: the reason I'm pointing out zoo animals is BAM, including

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Speaker 1: the m in that equation can take down a rhino.

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Speaker 5: Well, those large animals need to be controlled so we

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Speaker 5: in America we use them on moose, we use them

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Speaker 5: need to paralyze an animal, walk up to it and

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Speaker 5: that it's safe, so that you can make that animal

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Speaker 5: and you're dissociated and the state all is the brand

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Speaker 5: name for butorphanol. It's it's used sparingly now, but it

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Speaker 6: You're losing me.

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Speaker 1: You're losing me. You're losing me. Okay, come on, we're

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Speaker 1: playing ping pong, not chess. Okay, you're speaking to regular people. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have a law degree, but I know nothing about

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. So you got me lost in the sauce. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's bad, it's a cocky. But the one word I

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Speaker 1: got out of that is you shoot a moose. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a moose. You lost me. After that, I got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of it. You shoot rhinos with this stuff,

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Speaker 1: you bring down giant game. What would it do to

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Speaker 1: a little lady that weighed about one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: pounds if you shot her with BAM in a nutshell?

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Speaker 5: In a nutshell, If it didn't kill her right away,

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Speaker 5: she'd sleep for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace straight out to special guests

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Speaker 1: joining us. Gregory Nieto, investigator reporter Fox thirty one, Denver.

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Speaker 1: He's been on the case from the very very beginning, Gregory,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to Morphew back in court. But

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Speaker 1: when Susanne Morphew's bones bones were found in the quote

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Speaker 1: boneyard waste land found really by coincidence. Was BAM in

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Speaker 6: To the best of our knowledge out here it was

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Speaker 1: Well, wasn't it revealed in the autopsy that BAM was

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Speaker 1: in her system?

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Speaker 6: That is correct? I mean between that and what was

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Speaker 6: found inside the dryer at the morphu morphu residence, between

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Speaker 6: the rifle or the tranquilizer rifle, and the needle cap

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Speaker 6: that was found along with berry shorts that are linked

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Speaker 6: to the rents surrounding May ninth and May tenth. He

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Speaker 6: put those three factors together, and it seems like it

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Speaker 6: should be a slam dunk case.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what they said about aj Simpson two. So

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Speaker 1: I try not to use that particular vernacular or jargon. So,

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Speaker 1: Greg Grinietta, you said, well, to the best of our

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Speaker 1: knowledge out here, she had BAM in her system. Yes, no,

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Speaker 1: you are now on cross warning, Gregornierto, isn't it true

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Speaker 1: the autopsy report showed BAM and Suzanne Morpheus system. Yes, no, yes,

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Speaker 1: it did show that. And isn't it true that a

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Speaker 1: cylinder like a dark gun, a BAM dark gun cylinder.

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Speaker 1: What was found in Morphew's dryer two things?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you find the needle cap that's associated with

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Speaker 6: And then again his shorts are found in the same

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Speaker 6: again the events of May nine, May ten, shorts he

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Speaker 1: And the significance of May nine is May nine, isn't

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Speaker 1: it true? Gregory Inietto around two o'clock in the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: I believe was the last time that Suzanne Morphew was

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Speaker 1: heard from on social media, phones, texts, emails, nothing after

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Speaker 1: that time. And he was wearing those shorts around the

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Speaker 1: time she dropped off the face of the earth. Isn't

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Speaker 6: That's true, wearing those shorts at the time that she

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Speaker 6: supposedly had gone out for that bike ride and never

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Speaker 6: came back, and leading up to the events of him

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Speaker 6: heading north of Salida allegedly later that weekend to head

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Speaker 6: to a job site in Broomfield.

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Speaker 1: So you attach, Okay, you're put in the cart before

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Speaker 1: the horse. You're putting the cart before the horse, and

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Speaker 1: everything you're saying is absolutely correct as usual, Niatto, But

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Speaker 1: I'm focusing on the BAM. Why am I focusing on

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Speaker 1: the BAM Because you start your case always with a bang,

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Speaker 1: with some of your strongest evidence, then you follow it up,

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Speaker 1: and then you end it with strong evidence. The fact

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Speaker 1: that she has BAM in her system, one person in

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Speaker 1: the state, according to Dave Mack and others, had access

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Speaker 1: to that outside of vets and medical professionals is ary

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Speaker 1: more few. Now I want to talk about how her

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Speaker 1: body was found. Could you describe Niato the so called boneyard.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to tell me what is the boneyard?

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Speaker 1: Where is it?

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Speaker 6: an area that if you didn't know it existed, we

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that, Gregor Nieto, because sometimes

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Speaker 1: Whoever killed her and the state says it's bury more

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Speaker 4: On the portrait that the prosecutors will be able to

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Speaker 1: You're the defense lawyer just said what I would say, argument.

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Speaker 4: Is, I'm going to have to go hire another forensic pathologist,

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Speaker 4: But all the story that you just spun, that will

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Speaker 1: Spin it. I'm not rumbel steals can spinning hey into gold.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you the fact. Karen Stark, He's in

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Speaker 1: Joining me now a renowned forensic psychologist. She is a

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Speaker 1: her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen went to see

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Speaker 1: Karen in a nutshell. I do not know how a

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Speaker 1: defense attorney is going to somehow shroud Barry Moore. Few

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Speaker 1: it's euphemistically called on her bones. Who and the HG

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Speaker 8: See, this guy has no emotions, clearly right, he's narcissistic.

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Speaker 8: He coerced her, he controlled her, He did things like

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Speaker 1: I know that they won't like it, but I would

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Speaker 9: Went on a bike ride Mother's Day morning and never

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Speaker 1: Her daughters were camping on Mother's Day and they called

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Speaker 6: Why would she be riding that bicycle by herself on

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Speaker 1: His coworker is very clear that they weren't supposed to

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Speaker 1: of worms that I think is approbate of value. But

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this.

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Speaker 10: The Chafe County Sheriff's Office arrested Suzanne Morphy's husband, Barry Morphew.

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Speaker 10: He was taken into Cussey, near his home and Poda Springs.

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Speaker 10: He was loaned at the time of his arrest, and

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Speaker 6: Sheds not do for celebration, nor does it mark the

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Speaker 10: Rather, it's the next step of it's very difficult, yet

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Speaker 10: very important journey as we seek justice for our susanitor family.

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Speaker 7: We're not releasing the affidavit and we don't have a body,

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Speaker 7: so how can I convince the public that we have

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Speaker 1: That was then. This is now. They didn't release the affidavit.

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Speaker 1: Then I've got it now. That was from our friends

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Speaker 1: murder charges murder in the first degree in Colorado. You

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to Scott Iiker joining us. He

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Speaker 1: is a digital forensics expert, and listen to this founding

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Speaker 1: member of the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation Cellular

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Speaker 1: Analysis Survey Team. Wow. He is currently with Precision Cellular

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Speaker 1: Analysis handling criminal cases. Scott, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I was going through what we learn about the digital

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Speaker 1: The reason we're here tonight, Barry Morphew's first indictment was dropped.

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Speaker 1: Everything was dropped. We sued the government for fifteen million

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Speaker 1: What can I learn from the digital evidence, Scott.

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Speaker 11: Ker As you have touched on a little bit before.

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Speaker 11: We have cell phone records from the life and from Barry,

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Speaker 1: And when I read that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm interested in another thing. His digital data

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Speaker 6: He was supposed to head up from Salida up to

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Speaker 6: But the stories just don't match. I mean, you see

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Speaker 1: Okay, number one, the coworker says they were supposed to

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Speaker 1: Why is he lying what was happening at that home

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Speaker 1: Why what in the hay? Then he goes to Broomfield

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Speaker 6: It is true caught on a surveillance video visiting these

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he called the cowork and went, oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: in Connecticut, Mama five, Jennifer goes missing. Her body's never

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Speaker 1: been found. There was a profuse amount of blood her

431
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Speaker 1: blood in the garage after it drop off. That morning,

432
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Speaker 1: she dropped the children off at school. She's never been

433
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Speaker 1: seen again, and Photus Dulos went on a trash round

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Speaker 1: up listen.

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Speaker 3: Investigators believe surveillance video from Hartford shows Photus Dulos the

436
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Speaker 3: same day Jennifer Farber Dulos disappeared getting in and out

437
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Speaker 3: of a truck and disposing of black trash bags with

438
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Speaker 3: Michelle Treconez in the passenger seat.

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Speaker 9: Several pieces of evidence, including a bra that had been

440
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Speaker 9: cut down the middle of the front and a vineyard

441
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Speaker 9: vine's shirt Jennifer Dulos is believed to have worn the

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Speaker 9: day she vanished, stained with blood.

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Speaker 1: There's photos Dulos going all around town done his trap,

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Speaker 1: much like we see Barry Morphew too straight out to

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Speaker 1: Tate joining us. Mark Tate, veteran defense attorney, want a

446
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Speaker 1: lot of cases. Why did Barry morph You have to

447
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Speaker 1: go out of town to throw out his trash? Why

448
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Speaker 1: did he drive all the way to his next job

449
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Speaker 1: site well over an hour to throw out trash? Sure, well,

450
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Speaker 1: you go on vacation or a work trip, you just

451
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Speaker 1: take a whole suitcase full of trash and not just

452
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Speaker 1: in one place. But let me see while he's talking.

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Speaker 1: As much as I like to look at Tate, could

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Speaker 1: we look at Morphew throwing out all that trash in

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Speaker 1: all those different locations. There you go, he's such a.

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Speaker 4: Meeting, Nancy Grace. My job in this instance is not

457
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Speaker 4: going to be to talk about why he's throwing trash away.

458
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Speaker 4: My job is going to be to focus on that

459
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Speaker 4: autopsy that found this sedative paralytic.

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Speaker 1: Stop stop it. You can do that to a jury,

461
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Speaker 1: but it ain't on crime stories. I asked you about

462
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Speaker 1: the trash. You're trying to do is make me think

463
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Speaker 1: about your attack on the BAM And we've already done

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Speaker 1: that us first.

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Speaker 4: From talking about this evidence, and you know I'd hate

466
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Speaker 4: to do it. That's what we do a lot of

467
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Speaker 4: this inflammatory.

468
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Speaker 1: Can we talked about the trash.

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Speaker 4: In, Nancy Grace, it's not going to come in all

470
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Speaker 4: of this giant is going to the jury.

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Speaker 1: Do you just hear throwout? I'll follow emotion and lemonade

472
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Speaker 1: very simply. Most leimone is when you go to the judge,

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Speaker 1: when you know that evidence is particularly damning for your clients, you.

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Speaker 4: Want to prejudice this jury. Do you remember that poor

475
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Speaker 4: guy down there who was alleged to have blown up

476
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Speaker 4: the Atlanta Olympics. I know you do. That poor guys

477
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: Richard Jewles's life was ruined because there was a predetermined

478
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Speaker 4: outcome of his criminal trial. We got to respect the

479
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Speaker 4: fact that there is one thing that can be attacked here,

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Speaker 4: and that is the results of this autopsy. And you know,

481
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Speaker 4: there are forensic pathologists who have studied the ability to

482
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Speaker 4: find these specific drugs in a decayed body. It was

483
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Speaker 4: one published in twenty twenty five, in fact, and that's important.

484
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Speaker 4: And we want to convict this guy if he's guilty,

485
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Speaker 4: because what he did means if what he did is true,

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Speaker 4: he should never walk this planet free again. That's why

487
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Speaker 4: it's important that we prove beyond a reasonable doubt and

488
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Speaker 4: make sure there is no doubt about that he did this.

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Speaker 4: The story's inflammatory, it's biased against him. Nothing looks good

490
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Speaker 4: about what he did. We got to look at the

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Speaker 4: science of whether that drug was found in her, and

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Speaker 4: even if it's not, even if there's a reason to

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Speaker 4: find that it's reasonable that he may not have poisoned

494
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Speaker 4: her with that drug or y'd have been there. Then

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Speaker 4: if he's found guilty. Despite that, then the jury's heard

496
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Speaker 4: the information and still be found guilty.

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Speaker 1: Doctor William Maroney, as much as I hate to rehab

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Speaker 1: what we've already talked about in Mark Tate's effort, and

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Speaker 1: I understand what he's doing to avoid the fact that

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Speaker 1: Barry Morphew took his trash from home all the way

501
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Speaker 1: on a work trip. What did he put it in

502
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Speaker 1: a suitcase and then went to multiple dumps to get

503
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Speaker 1: rid of it? And he's caught on tape. I can

504
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Speaker 1: see him. It's him. Can you please address Tate. It's

505
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: like the squeaky wheel, you know, when you're driving Maroney

506
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Speaker 1: and you keep hearing something going roop, or when you

507
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Speaker 1: hit the brakes and you go and you know something's

508
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Speaker 1: way wrong and it won't go away. Could you please

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Speaker 1: explain in regular people talk, Dr Maroney, how the medical

510
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Speaker 1: examiner found this deadly cocktail of animal trunk in Susanne Morphew.

511
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Speaker 1: Because it's going to be really hard to find another

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Speaker 1: medical examiner to refute this. Did they do it? Doctr Maroney?

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Speaker 12: Two battling experts, one of them is going to say,

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Speaker 12: we have the science to prove if we take dry tissue,

515
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Speaker 12: if we take dry muscle, If we take desiccated dried

516
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Speaker 12: organs like the liver, we can cut them up and

517
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Speaker 12: rehydrate them and then we kind of make like a

518
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Speaker 12: slurry or like a milkshake, and then when it's in

519
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 12: a liquid form, we extract BAM and then we can

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Speaker 12: give you a concentration based on her size. And the

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Speaker 12: expert that's going to throw it out is going to say,

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Speaker 12: you don't have the published science to prove that's a

523
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Speaker 12: fatal dose, or you don't have the published science to

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Speaker 12: show that you can have a dose and that dose

525
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Speaker 12: is biologically incompatible with life. So that's two steps to

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Speaker 12: prove that you have it. Is one you have to

527
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Speaker 12: prove that you have the science forensically. The defense has

528
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Speaker 12: the easiest job because they can just show that the

529
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Speaker 12: science doesn't work, that the science is not representative. And

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Speaker 12: even if you have to find BAM in the first

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Speaker 12: step from those organs and muscles that have been desiccated

532
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Speaker 12: and dried out in the boneyard for three years and

533
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Speaker 12: then rehydrated. And then the second thing you have to

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Speaker 12: show is the concentration of those agents, those paralyzing agents,

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Speaker 12: those old voids, the concentration available in her tissue, her organs,

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Speaker 12: and her muscle.

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Speaker 8: Is that.

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Speaker 1: You're studying that. You have to show the jury how

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Speaker 1: you extract you recreate her dried organs by making, as

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Speaker 1: you said, a slurry like you get at Dairy Queen

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Speaker 1: or McDonald's. You take her dried organs and you hydrate them.

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Speaker 1: In other words, pour in distilled water or saline solution

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Speaker 1: of some sort, and you make it a liquid. You

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Speaker 1: blend her organs, her dried organs with liquid. By making

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Speaker 1: it liquid, you can then extract various things. You can

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Speaker 1: do drug labs. You can do all sorts of labs,

547
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Speaker 1: but you can pull a BAM lab look for those

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Speaker 1: three drugs. That's how you do it. Then you have

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Speaker 1: to prove the concentration of the drug in her body. Okay,

550
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Speaker 1: that's how you do it. Now, say somebody like Mark

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Speaker 1: Tate brings in a hired gun to attack what you did.

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Speaker 1: How do you prove what you did is legitimate? How

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Speaker 1: can they possibly disprove that?

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Speaker 12: Well, that's where the Daubert comes in iSER versus Merrill

555
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Speaker 12: dow And in that lawsuit, the judge claimed that the

556
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Speaker 12: court did not have the technology to verify what was

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Speaker 12: presented as the prosecution's argument, and that was again verified

558
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Speaker 12: back in two thousand and seven. I think the judge

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Speaker 12: was Rose Aqualina. It was Lancey Michigan. She threw out

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Speaker 12: a homicide because she said they did not have the

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Speaker 12: technology to prove that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Maroni, I understand about Dobt. I understand the Dobert

563
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Speaker 1: case very well. I'm asking you simply put, when you

564
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Speaker 1: were attacked in court about your procedure, how do you

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Speaker 1: prove that what you did worked? That's my question.

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Speaker 12: The first thing you do is you to research in

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Speaker 12: forensic chemistry and toxicology and you show that we've done

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Speaker 12: studies like at the Body Farm or European studies when

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Speaker 12: we looked at dead people who were given drugs. Have

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Speaker 12: we successfully in the last five or ten years been

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Speaker 12: able to show that? And if you can show it

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Speaker 12: in literature and your state police crime lab forensic follows

573
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Speaker 12: the same protocol, use the same chemicals, then they will

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Speaker 12: be able to say we've shown this in case law,

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Speaker 12: we've shown this in research and recopied it, and this

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Speaker 12: is a toxic level that there's no way you can

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Speaker 12: have ddam.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean to put it in simple terms, Marony.

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Speaker 1: We went through the same thing trying to get DNA approved,

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Speaker 1: familial DNA, all the way back to fingerprints. There's always

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Speaker 1: been a defense attorney climate. That's not real. That's science.

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Speaker 1: That's old as the courtroom.

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Speaker 6: Suzanne is found in a grave site.

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Speaker 1: Her body found in a shallow grave miles away in

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Speaker 1: a state of de cop and completely skeletonized, that she

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Speaker 1: was out of her clothes.

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Speaker 10: We just know our died better than anyone else, and

588
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Speaker 10: we know he was not involved in our mom's disappearance.

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Speaker 6: I just love my girls, and I love my wife,

590
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Speaker 6: and I just wanted.

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Speaker 1: To be found.

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Speaker 5: That's what they've done.

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Speaker 9: It's not fair, and we're never going to stop looking

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Speaker 9: for a mom.

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Speaker 1: That from our friends at g M A Good Morning

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Speaker 1: America Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know the phenomena

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Speaker 1: of adult children refusing to accept their parents' guilt, you know,

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Speaker 1: to Gregory Nietto, joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty one

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Speaker 1: Denver KdV are on Susanne's disappearance from the very beginning,

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Speaker 1: Greg Nietto, the daughters don't have anything left. They don't

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Speaker 1: they've lost their mom and now they're looking down the

602
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Speaker 1: wrong end of a barrel of losing their dad. They

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Speaker 1: don't want to accept it at all. I also have

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Speaker 1: wondered if they felt some sort of guilt because they

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Speaker 1: went away from their mom on Mother's Day weekend. They shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: It was a pretty planned trip with some friends, probably

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Speaker 1: before they even realized that was Mother's Day. And they're

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Speaker 1: the reason, the daughters, or the whole reason the red

609
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Speaker 1: flag of alarm went up that she was missing because

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Speaker 1: they kept trying to call her for Mother's Day and

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Speaker 1: they couldn't get her. So I think that they're just

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed with fear of losing their dad too, and that

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Speaker 1: they weren't there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean they've been by his side the entire time,

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Speaker 6: each and every court appearance on Monday, they're right there,

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Speaker 6: just behind where Berry is seated there and down in

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Speaker 6: Alamosa in the courtroom, and they've I think you put

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Speaker 6: it very well, Nancy. I think at a certain point,

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Speaker 6: you've lost your mother and you realize that your dad

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Speaker 6: maybe going away for the rest of his life, and

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Speaker 6: you'll lose two parents in the span of five and

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Speaker 6: a half years. If the trial does indeed start in

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Speaker 6: mid October, that from.

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Speaker 1: Our friends at CBS two Kara start joining US forensics psychologists.

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Speaker 1: I think you can explain it a little bit better

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Speaker 1: than I can. Why adult children have seen this over

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Speaker 1: and over in court because normally the prosecutor has the

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Speaker 1: victim's family lined up behind them in court. Not when

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Speaker 1: adult children are involved. They cannot. It's not that they

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Speaker 1: don't want to accept it. They cannot accept it.

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Speaker 8: If you think about it, it makes perfecal sense to me.

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Speaker 8: Of course, I'm a psychologist, but when you are living

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Speaker 8: with a parent, it is very and close to the parent,

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Speaker 8: it's really difficult to be able to see them as

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Speaker 8: human having flaws doing something that extreme as committing murder,

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Speaker 8: especially with their mother. They are not able to self reflect.

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Speaker 8: They are biased, They cannot. They have no choice about it.

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Speaker 8: In their mind, it has to be that their father

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Speaker 8: is not guilty, and of course you have to add

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Speaker 8: the fact that they don't have their mother anymore.

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Speaker 1: The bike, the bike. I started counting how many times

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Speaker 1: in the affidavit and the supporting documents that Morphy kept saying,

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Speaker 1: look for the bike by bike she went out on

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Speaker 1: a bike ride. I mean he might as well taken

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Speaker 1: out an ad on third avenue. The bike will exonerate me.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Gregorio I enjoy watching this

647
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: particular clip. After all of his urging, finally the bike

648
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Speaker 1: is found. See this is what he's counting on that

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Speaker 1: somebody on that jury is gonna believe she really went

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Speaker 1: for a bike ride. Okay, let's listen to Bury more few.

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Speaker 1: Is it a crash?

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Speaker 11: I mean the bike looked the way it was land

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00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 11: that kind of looks like it, but there's not really.

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Speaker 12: That much damage for a bike. That's the lion. Yeah, lion.

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Speaker 5: I didn't see anything now anything, and they're not letting

656
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: us go over the side because we're getting to track.

657
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 6: Looking for foot.

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Speaker 12: Jacks on the route.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything really, but.

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Speaker 6: Like people tracks were lying.

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00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: I didn't really know this, but I will lie and

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00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: not like an Okay, there you see him, Bye bye bike.

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Speaker 1: And then actually says Gregory that he thinks the Mountain

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Speaker 1: Lion took her, and I guess the Mountain Lion tried

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Speaker 1: on her bike helmet because it was found what about

666
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Speaker 1: a mile away?

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Speaker 6: That's correct.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Again, if you remember, shortly after she went missing, we

670
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 6: physically went down to the Morphew house. We went down

671
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Speaker 6: the dirt road that you're seeing there at the end

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Speaker 6: the video. And at this point I think you just

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Speaker 6: on things at the wall right with the sheriff deputy

674
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 6: is going to be X, going to be y? Could

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Speaker 6: it be Z versus perhaps the obvious?

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Speaker 1: To Scott Iiker joining us, well, just to button that up,

677
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Speaker 1: it's quite the coincidence that he says dozens of times

678
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Speaker 1: she was on a bike cride, bye bye bye, because

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Speaker 1: I believe that he thinks evidence of her going on

680
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Speaker 1: a bi cride will get him off the hook. I

681
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: don't know how he's going to try to explain that

682
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: her helmet was found so far away from the bike.

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Speaker 1: But that said to Scott Iiker joining us founding member

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Speaker 1: FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team now with Precision Cellular Analysis. Scott, again,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. You know what

686
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: I love Deleted texts and emails. Do people do old people,

687
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: as my twins call everyone other than themselves, do they

688
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: not know to delete deleted emails and deleted texts? Because

689
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: they're right there, I mean, even I can find them

690
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: on the phone. So he deleted an entire text chain

691
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: from Susanne Morphy when she finally says, you know what

692
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Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't care what you've done in the past.

693
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't care how long you've been doing it, what

694
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Speaker 1: you've been up to. I just want to get out

695
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Speaker 1: of this civilly. I saw all I want. Why did

696
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: he delete that whole text chain? Everything else is still there?

697
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: But that happened just before she disappeared, oh before the

698
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: Mountain Lion got her. He chose to delete it, but

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00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: he took a screenshot of it, and he still had

700
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Speaker 1: the screenshot. That's weird, A very rarely screen shot a

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Speaker 1: text chain. Tell me the whole thing. How does it work, Scott.

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Speaker 11: Well, obviously if he's deleting stuff off her phone, he

703
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 11: wanted to make sure earth have everybody think they had

704
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 11: this perfect marriage. Well, obviously from those text messages, she

705
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 11: wanted to get out of the marriage. So he's trying

706
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 11: to hide that kind of information. So you can just

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Speaker 11: go in and try to delete something off of phone,

708
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 11: but a lot of times, in the extraction of the

709
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 11: phone where we hook it up to another device and

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00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 11: it reads every little bit of that phone when it

711
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 11: was turned on, text message, emails, pictures, everything, we can

712
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 11: find those deleted text messages. So he's not doing that

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00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 11: very well, that's for sure. If he's trying to hide

714
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 11: that information that she wanted to break up with him,

715
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 11: were to end that marriage, and having it happen right

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00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 11: after or right before she went missing, that's quite suspicious

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Speaker 11: in my mind.

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Speaker 1: Last thing, Gregory Nietto, he was in court, he pled

719
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Speaker 1: not guilty. Can I just show you the million dollar

720
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Speaker 1: smile he flashed coming into that courtroom? Wait for it? Oh,

721
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Speaker 1: there you go, there you go way, that's where our

722
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: friends at Denver seven. He apparently doesn't have a care

723
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Speaker 1: in the world. What's with that, Gregory Nietto? And did

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Speaker 1: you say the trial's not until October?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think he's bought himself some more freedom time, right,

726
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Speaker 6: I mean, why wouldn't you want the trial to not

727
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Speaker 6: take place for another ten months or so? I thought

728
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Speaker 6: it was fascinating on Monday, you know, he walks in

729
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 6: with his daughters and he's dressed in a light jeans

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00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 6: and a cream sweater, very casual look and seemed very

731
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Speaker 6: at ease with I'd say, not only the process, but

732
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Speaker 6: folks in the courtroom. There are very strict rules for

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Speaker 6: the media in terms of not approaching barriers daughters as

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Speaker 6: they walk in or out of the courtroom. But we

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00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 6: have one account from one of Suzanne's buddies that he actually,

736
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Speaker 6: you know, said hello to her and how you doing

737
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 6: that sort of thing? And at that shocked shocked her.

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Speaker 6: But again, we have ten more months of freedom. Why

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Speaker 6: wouldn't you be smiling that.

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Speaker 1: From our friends at CBS. Yeah, every day is another day.

741
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Speaker 1: He's innocent and delayed. Delayed delay a defense attorney's best friend.

742
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: The case is still being built. If you know or

743
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: think you know anything regarding justice for Suzanne, please call

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Speaker 1: CBI seven one nine three one two seven five three

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Speaker 1: zero repeat seven one nine three one two seven five

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Speaker 1: three zero. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend.

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Speaker 9: It is he say