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Speaker 2: Media Mash coming your way here from the Star in

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Speaker 2: Matt Mosley, and I want to start right there as

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Speaker 2: we start to recap this draft. You guys had Bill

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Speaker 2: O'Brien on, and I thought it was a fascinating conversation

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Speaker 2: because Bill was the offensive coordinator at Alabama when Tyler Booker,

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Speaker 2: then he just finished his first year as the head

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Speaker 2: coach of Boston College over in the ACC and had

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Speaker 2: the Cowboy second round pick Donovan Aziaku, who was the

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Speaker 2: and with sixteen and a half sacks. So ed I

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Speaker 2: thought the conversation and let's start with Booker. When Booker

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Speaker 3: He said from the very start that you know, he

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Speaker 3: and Doug Marone, who's a offensive line coach, was a

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Speaker 3: former NFL head coach with the Jacksonville Jaguars, they were

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Speaker 3: both involved in recruiting Tyler Booker to Alabama. That it

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Speaker 3: was very unusual that he played late in his freshman season,

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Speaker 3: that he was immediately even on a team where Bryce

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Speaker 3: early signs of leadership on that offensive line for those teams.

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Speaker 3: And he went through the whole process of you know,

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Speaker 3: Booker and Aseraka, in his opinion, are both young guys

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Speaker 3: a prerequisite for Brian Schottenheimer. Both were team captains. They

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Speaker 3: said that Bill. Brian said, you know, both of these

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Speaker 3: they know how to practice. They you know, they're they're

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Speaker 3: in which they get involved with Booker. I was most

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Speaker 3: curious about how Bill viewed him athletically because he didn't

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Speaker 3: poor score athletically. But Bill told me that, and I

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Speaker 3: And so he thinks he's an entirely mobile guy who

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Speaker 3: get out on the perimeter, and that he'll get better

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Speaker 3: at that. But what he's really great at right now

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Speaker 3: is being a you know, blocking for a downhill runner,

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Speaker 3: and that sounds like what Brian Schottenheimer wants on early

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Speaker 3: and has always been very cooperative with me when I've

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Speaker 3: first text back to me included at the end, oh

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Speaker 3: He was at Alabama, So what a unique perspective to

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Speaker 2: Really good conversation. In one of the things he talked about,

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Speaker 3: Right right away. He he made you know, he has

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Speaker 2: He gave a brilliant press conference yea when he got here,

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Speaker 2: and you've seen a lot of press conference and I

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Speaker 2: where he was coming to, who was here before him. Basically,

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Speaker 2: he understood the assignment of being a Dallas cowboy. And

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Speaker 2: that's not to criticize other people because these are young folks,

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Speaker 2: but this is a very mature kid. And when we

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Speaker 2: talked about what Brian Schottenheimer wants, like this is what

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Speaker 2: I don't know about this. I'm like, who's the fastest

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Speaker 3: We know who the strongest one is, but we don't

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Speaker 3: know who the fastest.

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Speaker 2: One, right, we don't know all these things like that.

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Speaker 2: After all, it doesn't matter. And for the scheme that

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Speaker 2: Clayton Adams and Brian Schottenheimer what they're gonna go ask

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Speaker 2: that's that's my hope for all the people that well,

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Speaker 2: he's not this, he's not that they know what they want.

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Speaker 3: It's entirely possible that the Cowboys, because of Larry Allen,

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Speaker 3: or the general population in the NFL. The fans might,

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Speaker 3: certainly because they've had that high level of play at

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Speaker 3: that position. I mean, nobody's drafted six offensive linemen since

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Speaker 3: started doing that with Tyron Smith in twenty eleven, and

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Speaker 3: they've drafted three guards. Nobody's done that. Usually you know

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Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer has said he wants to win the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, and in

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Speaker 3: the best players are ed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Okay for our cowboy listeners out there,

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Speaker 2: please please please go look at the division and what

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Speaker 2: was going down on draft day, and go look at

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Speaker 2: the defensive lines and defenses in this division. Who these

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Speaker 3: Miami after that, that was Denver, then Miami, now Philly.

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Speaker 2: He's been beating the Cowboys. So Vic Fangio knows what

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Speaker 2: to do. You gotta face them twice here dan Quinn.

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Speaker 2: You already know what dan Quinn's gonna do. And right

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Speaker 3: Know the way to beat dan Quinn. Run the football.

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Speaker 2: And then what I mean the Giants, the Giants first

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Speaker 2: so you have to win. I was talking to Rick Goslin,

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Speaker 2: Hall of famer like yourself, and he said, you can't

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Speaker 3: The Eagles, and you gotta love these You mentioned his

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Speaker 3: press conference and uh and and Tyler Booker was really good.

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Speaker 3: He did show reverence for the players here in this organization,

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Speaker 3: who who followed or whom he follows, and the respect

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Speaker 3: on the Eagles, Jalen Carter. I can't wait to face

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Speaker 3: Jalen Carter. That first game very well might be against

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Speaker 3: And he's not afraid to say, I want that guy.

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Speaker 2: I understand the assignment. This is what you know what

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Speaker 2: I want to be. I want to be great. I

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Speaker 2: want to be good. That's the that's the guy. He's

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Speaker 2: got the ring, he's on top. That's my job. If

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Speaker 2: you're Dak Prescott, you should be excited.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and because the thing that Dak Prescott needs, and

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Speaker 3: he does need another receiver, for sure, they need another receiver.

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Speaker 3: And they seem aware of that because they wanted Ted

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Speaker 3: they would have taken him. Yes, And even then, as

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Speaker 2: They know what and that's that's the thing I keep

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Speaker 2: it is you, what's your strategy? And I thought Bill

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Speaker 2: Parcells did a fantastic job when he first got here.

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Speaker 2: He said, look, I want character people. And that was

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Speaker 2: when we saw a Marcus Spears come in, DeMarcus Ware,

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Speaker 2: In my mind, that's what you need to build the culture,

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Speaker 2: and that's what they're trying to do. And so in

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Speaker 2: the interview that you had with with Bill O'Brien talking

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Speaker 2: the Booker brought, I thought that was pretty good. And

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Speaker 2: so for the people that are like, oh you need

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Speaker 2: you know who's that gonna throw to, they'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: But right now, if you can't block the Eagles, you

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Speaker 2: can't beat the Eagles, you can't win. You look in

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Speaker 2: the division, it's it's tough upfront. John Taylor, I agree

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Speaker 4: I agree with all that.

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Speaker 2: Good to see. Good to see your thoughts on on

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Speaker 2: Tyler Booker the first round.

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Speaker 5: Pick, I'm for you know, my first rule with any

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Speaker 5: Tyler gud And guy last year only because it was

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Speaker 5: clear they were drafting for me. They were drafting like

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Speaker 5: the fifth of the sixth tackle, they're asking them to

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Speaker 5: change positions. I was like that, dude ain't gonna be

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Speaker 5: on that, but this one, I like, I would have

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Speaker 5: preferred for them to get something better in terms of

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Speaker 5: Because shot, he's talked about running the ball and wanting

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Speaker 4: So now there ain't really no excuse.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what you're gonna do with the left tackle,

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Speaker 3: Well, if hopefully got invested in coaches on the offensive

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Speaker 4: See, he made an interesting point. Who that started with?

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Speaker 5: That starts with him, right, You have all coaches, We

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Speaker 4: If you ain't out there.

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Speaker 5: Hitting some balls by yourself occasionally, you ain't gonna be

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Speaker 3: They're playing a doga a journeyman.

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Speaker 2: And because Richard's got hurt, so so I think I'm

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Speaker 2: Back to media match? All right, baby, here we are

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys take Tyler Booker round one Ed's podcast Doomsday

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Speaker 2: that he does with Matt Moseley. They brought in the

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Speaker 2: Boston College head coach Bill O'Brien, who coached Booker at

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Speaker 2: the Boston College Eagles. And Diamond Azoraku, who went in

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Speaker 2: Some people talk talk about he's small, about six two

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Speaker 4: Freemy, so he's freemie like.

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Speaker 2: But when you think about what was his calling card

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Speaker 3: He cited specifically three games that as a Roku helped

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Speaker 4: Can you bend? Can you dip?

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Speaker 2: See that he got that. And that's when I talk

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Speaker 2: Well it's it's the Pac ten. But now he was

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Speaker 2: was the a SEC Player of the year. Would he

435
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Speaker 2: have been the SEC but we don't know. But all

436
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Speaker 2: I know is where he was. He wrecked shop. He

437
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Speaker 2: did it. If you're the Cowboys, to me, that's what

438
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: you should be doing. In the second people are frustrating

439
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,239
Speaker 2: and get the running back and not a receiver here,

440
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this guy can play. And for those

441
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Speaker 2: who want to talk about the run at this point

442
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Speaker 2: in time, I'm looking at you got Parsons, but there's

443
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Speaker 2: gonna be you're gonna throw bodies at the position.

444
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,960
Speaker 3: You've got guys long term who were you know, Dante

445
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: Fowler is here on a one year contract. Sam Williams

446
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 3: is coming off an injury. He's on a one year contract.

447
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: So you know, I think internally they discussed with the

448
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: second round taking you know, one of the corners, maybe

449
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: Will Johnson was it possibility, but this guy just stood

450
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: out as an elite pass rush guy. And it was

451
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Speaker 3: not only beneficial immediately now to put him opposite Michael

452
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Speaker 3: Parsons after you've lost to Marcus Lawrence, but long term

453
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Speaker 3: in this organization to have two pass rushers like that,

454
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Speaker 3: for we assume the duration of their careers.

455
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Speaker 2: And in Latimore Marshall Lattimore here, so you're going to

456
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Speaker 2: they have to throw bodies at the position. And I

457
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Speaker 2: kind of think of it at this way. You got

458
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Speaker 2: Parsons here, so he's got to get doubled. So can

459
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Speaker 2: somebody win on a third down one on one?

460
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Speaker 4: That's exactly what.

461
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Speaker 3: And that's Bowler Ken. We've seen that, we know he

462
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Speaker 3: can do it. He's just coming off a career high

463
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Speaker 3: in sacks, right, and this kid should give them that opperatuity.

464
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Speaker 4: And it's a passing game, eh.

465
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Speaker 5: You have to be able to pressure an effect and

466
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Speaker 5: make the quarterback move an uncomfortable or you have no chance.

467
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Speaker 3: Well, and Bill O'Brien called plays in his last year

468
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Speaker 3: as a new England offensive coordinator, they played Dallas. He

469
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Speaker 3: knows what it's like to absorb the challenge of Micah

470
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Speaker 3: Parsons and knowing where he is on every play. And

471
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Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, you got another guy who

472
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Speaker 3: Bill said can play stand up linebacker two. You know,

473
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Speaker 3: he doesn't just have to play on the edge. And

474
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Speaker 3: so I think this is another guy that they can

475
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Speaker 3: get created Matt Eberflus can get creative with.

476
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Speaker 4: And I think now that ain't fluce his strength?

477
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Speaker 9: Is it?

478
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Speaker 3: What creativity?

479
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Speaker 11: Well?

480
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Speaker 3: I think it depends on the players.

481
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Speaker 2: Yet there you go, okay, because somebody's they can help you.

482
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Speaker 2: Players can help you become.

483
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Speaker 4: Good, they can help you become creative.

484
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Speaker 2: The uh, I think about the quarterbacks in this division.

485
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Speaker 2: You got a Super Bowl MVP, and you got a

486
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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year who knows what they do with

487
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Speaker 2: the Giants, But you're going to have to account for

488
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Speaker 2: these players. And so when people were moaning and grown

489
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Speaker 2: in and obviously they didn't know enough about diving Azaraku,

490
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Speaker 2: that's just people just that complaining, complaint and not looking

491
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Speaker 2: at where is the Cowboys defense is problematic?

492
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Speaker 3: They other than Carolina, which allowed a historic number of points,

493
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: the Cowboys were the next worst defense in the NFL.

494
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Speaker 3: And oh look what did Washington do this offseason? Did

495
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Speaker 3: they not give Jaden Daniels a chance to be greater

496
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Speaker 3: than he already was. They got a left tackle that

497
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Speaker 3: they traded for in Laramie Tunsel, and they drafted a

498
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Speaker 3: tackle in the first round in Connorley. Connorley from the

499
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Speaker 3: Oregon Right brought in.

500
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Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel right to go along with Terry McMillan Terry

501
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Speaker 2: mclowan because they're like, hey, you need to we need

502
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Speaker 2: somebody else over here. So they got their guest some hill, right.

503
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Speaker 2: But you just look at from the Cowboys to take

504
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Speaker 2: you know, your first rounds two and three to go.

505
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Speaker 2: Defense fans are frush who's dak throwing him? Like, guys,

506
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: have you looked at your trenches and how the Cowboys

507
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: have been getting beat? And then oh, by the way,

508
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: the defensive backfield has question marks.

509
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Speaker 5: They just need good players, bro, I mean they needed

510
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Speaker 5: they needed all of this. It's not like they drafted

511
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Speaker 5: for plays as they didn't need. They just needed a

512
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Speaker 5: lot And.

513
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Speaker 2: That's that's that was kind of just interesting just looking

514
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Speaker 2: at social media the complainers about that because uh, the

515
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Speaker 2: third round, Savon Rebel Junior from East Carolina.

516
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Speaker 4: Yes, leave their second round pick.

517
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Speaker 3: Yes to me and Jerry wait another round not a

518
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: different day. But the Jerry Doctor Cooper gamble prospect is

519
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Speaker 3: that made him wait, wait in the third round instead

520
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Speaker 3: of the second round, j We're.

521
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Speaker 4: Gonna get you that gay were gonna get him.

522
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Speaker 10: Wait.

523
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Speaker 2: The only thing they needed was before they made the

524
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Speaker 2: pick was the masters tradition like no.

525
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Speaker 5: Injured cowboy, We're gonna get your first round talent, doctor

526
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Speaker 5: doctor Cooper Warard been there, so Cooper draftee.

527
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Speaker 2: But Rebel, if healthy, is a player Mini said is

528
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Speaker 2: a first round pick, and most.

529
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Speaker 4: People said eighteen to thirty three.

530
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Speaker 3: It's interesting that in some on some boards of some experts,

531
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Speaker 3: I don't know how accurate they all are, but Booker

532
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: would have been the lowest of the three rated players

533
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Speaker 3: that the Cowboys took in the first three rounds. Most

534
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: boys and nobody says Booker can't play.

535
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: Right right, It's true. I mean outside of Travis Hunter.

536
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: You know, Rebels could have been the best corner, could

537
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: have been the best.

538
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: Coring eight size length picks. The ball plays aggressively, and

539
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 3: you know, apparently his timetable from recovering from his ACL

540
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: is much earlier than Trayvon Diggs. And so while they

541
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: think he'll start training camp on pop and he's gonna

542
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: miss a lot of field time in the preseason corner

543
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: you can probably make up for, will you be right fully,

544
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: I mean we've seen guys come back weren't quite right

545
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: the first year, so maybe not. But he's going to

546
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: fill a need and he's a unique athlete at the

547
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: position where they really needed another player.

548
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a gamble, but you know, I mean Will

549
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: Johnson was a gamble for someone as well.

550
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Speaker 5: It's okay in my opinion for you to make those

551
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 5: gambles in the third round or the fourth round. I

552
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 5: don't like them so much in the second round, but

553
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 5: the third round because my crickteria is different first two rounds.

554
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 5: Those guys need to essentially be walking starters and a

555
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 5: significant contributor. Yes, your third round pick, you really hope

556
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 5: is a is a significant contributor. Maybe he stars, maybe

557
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 5: he doesn't, but you want him on the field quite

558
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 5: a bit well.

559
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 3: And he played more press man in college than any

560
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: of the other corners who are available in this draft,

561
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Speaker 3: and that's what he refers wants to play. He played

562
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: that about a third of the snaps.

563
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Speaker 4: You get what you want.

564
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Speaker 2: It's a good football player in these Carolina he's a

565
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: very good football player. And when I saw these three picks,

566
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: to myself, I'm like, they all make sense. There is

567
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: a strategy there. He said, Okay, I understand what you're doing.

568
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: And all three of them not only will make the

569
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 3: team and depending on his revel's physical status, could help

570
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: you from the start of the rookie seasons, but should

571
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: be good players for a long time.

572
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: And I expect all those guys, you would expect it

573
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: on day one to be second contract guts and.

574
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: Nothing against national guys. National. You're trying to cover everything.

575
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: That's a lot. But the amount of people who didn't

576
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: truly understand the dig situation out here when they were

577
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: trying to kind of, you know, talk about overreaches or

578
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: this that, I don't think they understood it. And to

579
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: talk about Booker if well, that was too high. I

580
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: don't think they understood that Zach Martin was not the

581
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: Zach Martin that we'd come to know last year, that

582
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: that was not that guy, and this was a problem,

583
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: and they decided to do what essentially everybody wished to. Hey,

584
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: we got a Hall of Fame guy lead, We're about

585
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 2: to go draft somebody who can immediately step in here,

586
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: who we think has the potential to be great.

587
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: Could not run the football last year four yards of

588
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: carry one of the worst in the NFL. Six touchdowns

589
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 3: rushing the worst in the NFL.

590
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: Well a quarterback coming off an injury that you'd like to, hey, man,

591
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: we really don't want you throwing right we got the

592
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: run covered. We don't want you throwing the ball foury

593
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: times a game. And oh, by the way, we went

594
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 2: out here and got coaches that we don't run the football.

595
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Speaker 2: It was just kind of interesting to see and hear

596
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: just national guys like how much you're really looking into

597
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: what the issues are here? Because you got to go

598
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: back to the corner spot. You got digs, it's injury

599
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: pland was hurt last year after those two guys.

600
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: They played one game together. And how how many guys

601
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: do they have? A corners start? One hundred and fifty

602
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: year more snaps last year? Seven or eight.

603
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: Corners is bad and you lost Jordan Lewis. So if

604
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: you just say, hey, how do I feel about the

605
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Cowboys nickel defense right now? And who's back there at

606
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: the corner spots, you can tell going into the draft.

607
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: You couldn't tell me you felt good.

608
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: No, shady right.

609
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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, here's Jane Hurts Daniels. That's the thing.

610
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Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, and you start looking at this overall,

611
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: you can't feel real good about what's going on right now.

612
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: And they needed to fill it.

613
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Speaker 3: And while yes, you'd love to have the wide receiver,

614
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: thirty two wide receivers drafted the most of any position

615
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Speaker 3: in the NFL this year, and the Cowboys took a nun.

616
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Speaker 3: I get the criticism of that, but the players they

617
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Speaker 3: took are at positions of need and they're they just right. Yes,

618
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Speaker 3: they should have addressed some of this in free agency,

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Speaker 3: but they're the flaw in my mind with their team

620
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Speaker 3: building concept. Isn't how how they draft? They do that well,

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Speaker 3: they draft and developed well, they signed guys to say,

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Speaker 3: it's in free agency they don't ever go get starting

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Speaker 3: caliber players.

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Speaker 4: Right, not even the best player.

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Speaker 5: Like no, I said, you got to go get the

626
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Speaker 5: best defensive end or linebacker into free agency.

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought, because when we come back like a team, Yes,

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Speaker 2: what do they do free agency wise? And did they

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Speaker 2: you their takes here on the Dallas Cowboys Draft. Got

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Speaker 2: Ed Werder, got Jack Taylor, I knew he scrugs here.

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Speaker 4: I was late, but I ain't take no day off.

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Speaker 2: Hey glad you glad you made baby glad you Mads

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Speaker 2: ran it out here. Cats and dogs in these streets Dallas,

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Speaker 2: Fort Worth, and people don't know how to drive. So

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Speaker 2: Teoro McMillan was the hope for a lot of people

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Speaker 2: at twelve. Didn't happen. The Carolina Panthers and a tradition

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Speaker 2: like no other, decide to go take a player at

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys, like did it with j. C. Horn.

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Speaker 3: He's taking Mingo spot on a rush.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Mingo is your fourth round wide receiver. I

678
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Speaker 2: don't know why they kept trying to sell him to

679
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Speaker 2: the Badia. I just don't know why. Just help help

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Speaker 2: Mingo out. Just act like he doesn't exist till camp.

681
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Speaker 2: But oh well, so there were rumors maybe they could

682
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Speaker 2: trade for somebody, maybe something could happen here, and that

683
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: they know they need a wide receiver. What do they

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Speaker 2: do here? Because they know and see that we like

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Speaker 2: our guys ain't cutting it. They know this, ed, I

686
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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they have a whole lot of real

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Speaker 3: attractive options right now. I mean, there are teams that

689
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Speaker 3: have been talking to the Steelers about Carl Pickens, who's

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Speaker 3: one of the most I mean, he's a dynamic playmaker,

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Speaker 3: down the field. He's also des Brun two point zho's

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Speaker 3: it or Tara Owens. I mean, it's just doesn't fit

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Speaker 3: the character that Brian Schottenheimer's talked about wanting in the

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Speaker 3: locker room. Not only that he I think he led

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Speaker 3: the NFL and penalties last oh Metcalf, who they acquired

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Speaker 3: at a trade, was first among wide receivers and pickings

697
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Speaker 3: was second. But he is a downfield guy who makes

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Speaker 3: big play.

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Speaker 2: Free agent wise. I'll go there, just free agent wise.

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Speaker 3: A couple of teams signed receiver, right.

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Speaker 2: And I bring that up because that's the Mario Cooper

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Speaker 2: is easy, right, that's the easy.

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Speaker 3: Thirty one years old, did nothing in Buffalo last year

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Speaker 3: with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's my here's my tech, and I have no

706
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Speaker 4: idea and that I'm not disputing anything.

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Speaker 3: And has a bad history here with the front office.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but his teammates liked him, most of them.

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Speaker 5: Uh, they're not paying him. No Covid coach's gunn. He

710
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Speaker 5: ain't got to get the jab no more. COVID's over man.

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Speaker 5: This is about you know, this is about the shot

712
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Speaker 5: shot and I don't know about it. I'd have you'd

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Speaker 5: have to look at it Mario and working out and

714
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Speaker 5: all that stuff. But Mario's a vibe guy. Man, He's

715
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Speaker 5: he's an intellectual guy. He's a different kind of guy.

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Speaker 3: Played chess in the locker room guy.

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Speaker 5: And all I'm saying is he's the kind of guy

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Speaker 5: who if the vibe is not right for whatever reason,

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Speaker 5: he's not going to perform properly. And so you know,

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Speaker 5: the vibe is right here and he gets along here

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Speaker 5: and the quarterback likes him.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I wasn't always great here because they traded

723
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Speaker 3: him for a fifth round pick.

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Speaker 4: See, you keep going front office and I keep talking

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Speaker 4: about the locker.

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Speaker 3: Well, he doesn't have to deal with the front office

727
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Speaker 3: if he comes back.

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Speaker 5: I'm just telling you, if if you can deal with

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Speaker 5: the locker room, that's that's number one. Can you play here,

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Speaker 5: then we'll figure out the front off.

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Speaker 3: Well, the front office didn't think he was worth what

732
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Speaker 3: they were paying him, which was twenty million years. He's

733
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Speaker 3: not going to get that now. But the miscalculation with

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Speaker 3: him beyond Hey, he didn't get the COVID injection and

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Speaker 3: therefore he tested positive and missed the Kansas City game

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Speaker 3: and the Raider game, both losses for the Cowboys that

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Speaker 3: particular year.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say he was going to the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: You asked me what free agents were out there, and

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Speaker 5: we know they like to spend a block Zeke, and

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Speaker 5: so how that goes?

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Speaker 2: And so I look at this, Hey, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 4: Taylor, Mary Richard Burton twice and the second one was fine.

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Speaker 2: I look at this with Amari Cooper and and I

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Speaker 2: just say, you know, circumstances are different now, and they

746
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Speaker 2: I mean, they really need him because of they didn't

747
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Speaker 2: go fix this. So now all of a sudden, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we had some differences in the past. And

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Speaker 2: then I do wonder about from the coaching standpoint, can

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Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer have a relationship with him that maybe Mike

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Speaker 2: McCarthy didn't have, and the and this new receivers coach,

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Speaker 2: that's that part of that. Can there be some type

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Speaker 2: of it may.

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Speaker 3: Come down to does he have any other options? Does

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Speaker 3: he still want how much does he still want to play?

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Speaker 3: I know, by the way, you know a quarterback, I

757
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Speaker 3: mean I think that has to factor into this too.

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Speaker 3: If you're Marik Cooper, Hey, at least I know this guy.

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Speaker 2: I know this guy, he knows me and if I'm Dak,

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Speaker 2: I had.

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Speaker 3: My best four seasons of my career in Dallas with

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Speaker 3: this quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Dak Prescott, like, hey, look what are we

764
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Speaker 2: doing here? At least let I know where he'll be.

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Speaker 2: He knows me, and so from that standpoint, maybe whatever

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Speaker 2: happened in the past, that kind of stuff you go

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Speaker 2: put out the window because you know what, you're the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: You need him now because.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you won't Keenan Allen. Maybe he's less of a

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Speaker 4: headache now he's older.

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Speaker 3: I think he years older. He had seven touchdowns last year,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know how well he got along with

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Speaker 3: certain people on this staff who came here from the Bears.

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Speaker 5: Oh I forgot about that aspect. So yeah, I forgot

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Speaker 5: about that part. But he ain't got to deal with

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Speaker 5: He ain't got to deal with flues happened?

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Speaker 4: Oh up the past. Peace time to him in a

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Speaker 4: cafe tier over there and keep it moving.

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Speaker 2: That's where your quarterback got to come here.

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Speaker 5: Hey, you like me a little bit of a but

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Speaker 5: that's like I don't like you know, I'm not a

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Speaker 5: guy who says and I'm very consistent, but it Oh

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Speaker 5: we got Flora.

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Speaker 4: Nois mingo, and we got nine guys.

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Speaker 2: One of those guys will work out.

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Speaker 4: No, not really. They could all go over nine and

787
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Speaker 4: you have nobody over there.

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Speaker 13: We got twelve receivers on the roster, right, and they

789
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Speaker 13: got one. They know they can play, and that don't

790
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Speaker 13: mean nothing. I like to be like, I know this

791
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Speaker 13: guy can play at a certain level. I don't even

792
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Speaker 13: care if it's an average level. At least I know

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Speaker 13: what I can.

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Speaker 3: Amari Cooper beat one on one coverage consistently. Yeah, in

795
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Speaker 3: a balanced off him more balanced off enise.

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Speaker 2: And that's I mean, for once aecond, I look at

797
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Speaker 2: the things with Amari Cooper and I say, okay, he's

798
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Speaker 2: familiar with the quarterback, he knows his way around the building.

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Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, we know he'll get along

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Speaker 2: with the number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Now he does have to practice, and he's not always

802
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 5: find a practice, and he got to run his right

803
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Speaker 5: routes precisely, not there Marie route tree, which can be

804
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 5: a yard or two here or they're off. But you

805
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: know again, and then you have to make sure that

806
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Speaker 5: that his mine is right, like you ain't the guy.

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Speaker 5: So you got to because when he was here before

808
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Speaker 5: he was the guy.

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Speaker 2: That's the guy.

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Speaker 5: And you know, for some people it's not a big deal, like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I realize I'm not the guy, so yeah, I'll take

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Speaker 5: my sixty five balls over.

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Speaker 4: I'll be fine.

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Speaker 5: And some people are like, why I'm only getting target

815
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Speaker 5: at full time? And see he got twenty Maybe maybe

816
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Speaker 5: he could be ten and ten, maybe be eight and

817
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Speaker 5: eight or you know, twelve and nine. Why he gotta

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Speaker 5: be twelve and four.

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Speaker 2: So all those questions have to be asked, right, So

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Speaker 2: the so there's more more work there.

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Speaker 9: Are.

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Speaker 2: Are you satisfied with what they did at the running

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Speaker 2: back position?

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Speaker 9: Nope.

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Speaker 2: I knew your negativity was coming. That's why with the

826
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Speaker 2: ed first. Oh well, I wanted to make sure you

827
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Speaker 2: got out before it tried to correct you. No, don't

828
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Speaker 2: worry about it.

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Speaker 3: No, I think I would have made it a bigger

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Speaker 3: priority in free agency. And I mean I think they

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Speaker 3: killed themselves in the draft. Again, we don't want to

832
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Speaker 3: keep bringing up the fourth round pick in Jonathan Mingo,

833
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Speaker 3: But guess what happened in that round. For the second

834
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Speaker 3: year in a row, that's where all the running backs went.

835
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Speaker 3: Tennessee is sitting right there, six running backs went in

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Speaker 3: that round. Seven receivers went in that round.

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Speaker 4: Is that crazy?

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Speaker 5: Like we don't really value a fourth round pick, yet

839
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Speaker 5: a fourth round pick is somewhat valuable.

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Speaker 3: And wide receivers and running backs were two of your

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Speaker 3: highest priorities coming into the draft, and thirteen guys went

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Speaker 3: before you got to pick it up.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I just thought about it.

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Speaker 5: I think the fourth round pick becomes valuable because it's

845
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Speaker 5: the last pick before you enter dart throwing mode.

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Speaker 2: And also if you think about what they have done

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Speaker 2: in the fourth round during the years. I mean, Dak

848
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Speaker 2: Prescott was a fourth round pick. Pro bowler, Tony Poulter

849
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Speaker 2: was a fourth round pick pro bowler.

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Speaker 3: Could Jaydon Blue be Tony Pollard.

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Speaker 4: If you don't fumble those huh? I mean he could

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Speaker 4: be a useful part, right.

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Speaker 3: He's an explosive guy, he's a good receiver. But he

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Speaker 3: seems to me like he's the same guy they just

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Speaker 3: traded for with Javonte Williams from Denver who led them

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Speaker 3: in rushing two years in a row and is viewed

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Speaker 3: as an exceptional third down back and blocks better than

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Speaker 3: Blue in those situations. So how is he gonna get on?

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Speaker 2: How do you use both of those once again, seventeen

860
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Speaker 2: game season these days, I don't I don't mind it

861
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Speaker 2: because guys get hurt, strains, that kind of stuff. And Williams,

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Speaker 2: you know, has got a history right now, So I

863
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Speaker 2: don't mind that. I mean I feel sorry for do So.

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Speaker 3: Can they have an elite running game with the backs

865
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Speaker 3: they have on the roster, I would be surprised.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: But if Rico Dado plays the whole season, maybe he's

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Speaker 5: a fourteen hundred.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and none of us think he's anything more jes

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Speaker 4: A gay.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to, but they need, they need to.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I think they need to back with more

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Speaker 2: head agree out Belichick. You know the Super Bowls he

874
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Speaker 2: had only Corey Dillon was the one lead dog he had.

875
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: He there's several guys here, Andy Reid, several different I

876
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Speaker 2: mean you look at the championships. He's won several different types.

877
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Speaker 5: Of pick a two team with Hall of Fame quarterbacks,

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Speaker 5: many Hall of Fame coaches.

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Speaker 2: Then come on, man, those outlies.

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Speaker 4: Give us something else with a good quarterback and average coach.

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00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, Steelers, the last super Bowl the won Hall

882
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: of Fame coach Hall of faink quarterback. But let's stop it.

883
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Speaker 4: Just see we've stopped this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Move on to the next Marty shot. HOI a lot.

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Speaker 5: See, we are gonna say nothing bad about Marty because

886
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Speaker 5: because so all right, so there you go, so out

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Speaker 5: of respect.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to I think Blue can bring back

889
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Speaker 3: some of the big plays that they got out of

890
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: Tony Pollard. I think he can do that. So that

891
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: was a tandem situation.

892
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Speaker 2: And once again to hear Jerry say he was working

893
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Speaker 2: on something. Who knows if they've just neglected the position

894
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Speaker 2: for so long, who knows what they do.

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Speaker 5: But part of the team building is it's a you

896
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Speaker 5: can never neglect anything. It's like when you got a house,

897
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Speaker 5: you cannot just like that's not going to ever fix

898
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Speaker 5: the roof because we're doing all this other stuff.

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Speaker 2: You got to do it all.

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Speaker 4: That's why it's a pain in the butt.

901
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Speaker 2: And if we talk about doing it all in all

902
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Speaker 2: the holes they happen where they have gone to. This

903
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Speaker 2: to me is that this is a two year project.

904
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Speaker 5: That's right, because they got more holes than picked right,

905
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Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm not but your quarterback is now

906
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 5: at the point where he getting older and so you

907
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Speaker 5: know that's how you end up missing a window.

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Speaker 4: This is this is what they did, but it's a

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Speaker 4: soft rebuild.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you're your your hope is to try to compete.

911
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: To me, is to try to compete for wild card

912
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Speaker 2: in this division. That's your to me right now, that's

913
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Speaker 2: your best case. Hey, how can we just kind of

914
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: hang on here and compete because you've got change, can

915
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: see some things that are different here.

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Speaker 3: I think they're already behind Water Washington and obviously Philadelphia

917
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Speaker 3: when the off season began, and they're further behind now.

918
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Speaker 2: And that schedule, the schedule they have the AFC West.

919
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Speaker 4: This is they need.

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Speaker 5: They need a miles of Austin surprise. Like you got

921
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 5: all these cards, you think, okay, these are all sure.

922
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Speaker 4: They need a jack to walk.

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Speaker 2: L Robinson, somebody pop up out of the blue and

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Speaker 2: show you a little here. So yeah, hey, look.

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Speaker 3: They need they need something for you, Jonathan Mingo, you know.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm talking about, Not for real. They need

927
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Speaker 5: somebody who's not on your radar.

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Speaker 3: That becomes Javonte Williams is suddenly a superstar running back

929
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Speaker 3: that we didn't know.

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Speaker 4: He was capable of being Yeah, he found what he

931
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Speaker 4: found blue.

932
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Speaker 3: Is better than he's advertised.

933
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, hey, look at this right, I'll.

934
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Speaker 4: Even give you Cavante. He does something that you didn't

935
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Speaker 4: expect where he's maybe he's home and.

936
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Speaker 5: Catches forty passes, but he averages eighteen yards of catch

937
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: something something you don't really have figured for. It can

938
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Speaker 5: give you something that allows you to win a game

939
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Speaker 5: or two that we don't look for, because this guy

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Speaker 5: came out of the blue.

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Speaker 2: Awesome all right, last day of April. Thank you, Jack Taylor,

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Speaker 2: ed word, thank we done?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I get y'all. Fifty two minutes and forty five.

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Speaker 2: Chris Pine, thank you very much. Joshi. This is the

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