1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Taken a Walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: I'm buzz night and welcome to the Taken a Walk Podcast. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 3: Now twenty years into their career, most bands they're coasting 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 3: on nostalgia are chasing trends. The Band of Heathens, they 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 3: just went platinum fourteen years after releasing the song their 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 3: version of Hurricane, which has streamed over a billion times, 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: becoming an anthem of resilience that found its audience not 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 3: through viral manipulation, but through something far more powerful, authenticity 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: and endurance. Now with a new album Country Sides, this 10 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: Austin Bread collective is proving that the best stories in 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: rock and roll aren't written overnight. They're lived, earned, and 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: built brick by brick. Today, on Taking a Walk, We're 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: going to dive deep into two decades of defying convention, 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: the unlikely journey of a play platinum hit, and why 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: sometimes the sides are. 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: The main course. 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: Well, Gordy and Ed from the Band of Heathens, welcome 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 3: to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 4: Thanks for having us. 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: Good to be here, man, So congrats on the new music, 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: which we're gonna certainly talk about. But I want to 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: start at this place called Momos in Austin, where those 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: late night jams kind of spawned the Band of Heathens. 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: What was it about that room. 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: That, in that moment that made you, guys realize you 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: had something special that was worth pursuing all these years later, Gordy, 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: what do you think. 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 4: That was a special time and place? You know? I 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: think the early days of the band, nothing was really 31 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 4: taken very seriously. One of the rules was that rehearsal 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 4: was not allowed, and so there were lots of train 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: wrecks on stage at those Wednesday night week with gigs. 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 4: But I think part of that spirit of not taking 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: things too seriously led to some magic. And I think 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: the first time we realized the magic that really spoke 37 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 4: to us was us singing together like three and four 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: part harmonies. I think that's where we realized, Okay, this 39 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: is this is something special, So maybe we ought to 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 4: take this a little further. 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: And Jerdy, did it connect you immediately? Did you know 42 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: there was no turning back? 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 5: Well, I don't know if it was that different of it. 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 5: But what I would say, in addition to, you know, 45 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 5: with Gordyd echo all those sentiments, I think, you know, 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 5: I know he moved to Austin to play music. I 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 5: moved to Austin to play music, and we had both 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 5: been there probably less than a year at that point. 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 5: And I think what drew us to Austin was this 50 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 5: idea of there being a really great scene, you know, 51 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 5: really a great place to collaborate with other musicians, and 52 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 5: I think, you know, just being a big fan of 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 5: a lot of the music that come out of Austin. 54 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 5: I think when we found that, we found each other 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 5: and we found that gig and Momos. To me at least, 56 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 5: that sort of was like, Hey, we now we're here, 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 5: like we are we are part of this of this fabric, 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 5: you know that that Austin has kind of weaved historically 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 5: with musicians, and this is our this is kind of 60 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 5: our piece of it. So I had a really great, 61 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 5: you know, a great feeling and a great sense of 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 5: belonging to that scene and that that group of uh 63 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 5: of collaborative artists. It wasn't just the Heathens, there was 64 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 5: there was a lot of other bands playing in Momos 65 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 5: and a lot of a lot of love and a 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 5: lot of guidance from from people who I think facilitated 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 5: stuff like that. I like to call them instigators, you know, 68 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: they really, uh, they were responsible for putting people together 69 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 5: and just you know, just kind of seeing what happened. 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 5: It was it was really wide open in that sense, 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 5: which was which was fantastic. 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: I love the term instigators. Maybe they were even co conspirators. 73 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: Who were some of those folks that you want to 74 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: maybe uh thing go out. 75 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 5: Well, I'd have to say PAULO. Veasey, who own Momos 76 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 5: and who was the band's first manager. He uh, he 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: loves loves music and musicians, and that's why he owned 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 5: that club. You know. It wasn't to make money or 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 5: to be rich. It was it was to be a 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 5: part and give back to the scene. And he you know, 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 5: he was responsible for getting us together, introducing us to 82 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 5: each other. And then you know, I mean there were 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 5: so many other great musicians on the scene at the time, 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 5: like you know, Patrece Pike and Guy Forsyth, Dan Dyer, 85 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 5: Susannah Chaffell who later went on to become Paul's wife 86 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 5: and they have kids together. And then you know, and 87 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 5: maybe some people you haven't heard about as much, like 88 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 5: like a guy named Drew Smith who was a great 89 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 5: singer songwriter. There's also a guy named Jean Pattillo who 90 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 5: owned a small independent record label called Fat Cattie Records, 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 5: and he was responsible for us making our first record. 92 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 5: You know. He he became a fan of the band 93 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 5: and had a couple of bands on his little indie 94 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 5: label and was coming down a lot of the Wednesday 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 5: nights and just said, hey, you know, if you guys 96 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 5: want to make a record, we would love to put 97 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 5: it out. So, you know, there was just it was 98 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 5: very organic. I hate using that word because it's really cliched, 99 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 5: but there was a very small sort of structure that 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 5: allowed us to do exactly what we wanted to do 101 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 5: without any of sort of you know, sort of some 102 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 5: of the bigger music industry pressures. And I think that's 103 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 5: really why we were able to kind of hit the 104 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 5: ground running, and it allowed us to really thrive, I 105 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 5: think in an early point, which gave us a lot 106 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 5: of confidence. 107 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: Where do you qust you want to single out anybody 108 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: that you remember from those days. 109 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: It's as funny as Ed was going, I was thinking 110 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: of some people and then Ed kept getting to each one. 111 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 4: You know, I would say Paul and Kate too. Kate 112 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: toemtch was a co owner in Melmos and what you 113 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: know in addition to loving music and taking care of 114 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 4: the musicians and making all musicians welcome, not just the 115 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: people on stage, but it's where you wanted to go 116 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 4: hang out on nights you weren't playing too. It was 117 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 4: it was a great community, and I would say that's 118 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: one thing about Paul and Kate is that it was 119 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 4: a They really created a beautiful community of people, musicians, 120 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 4: fans of music. And there's a magic in creating a 121 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 4: space and in an environment and a vibe that creates 122 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 4: more magic. It it really they Paul has since done 123 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 4: that at numerous clubs since Momo's closed down. So really 124 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 4: it's you know, it's the music was special, but also 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: I would say the people, you know, all around, the 126 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 4: whole the whole scene really was a beautiful thing. 127 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: I have to say this is mostly just an audio 128 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: first podcast, but we do record the video and use. 129 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: It for social media, and the episodes are. 130 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: Often put up from video. 131 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: You guys have two of the most beautiful looking backdrops 132 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: of anybody that's ever been on been on the show. Gordie, 133 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: you're in Austin at this tremendous studio. Maybe you can 134 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: tell folks about it and ed it looks like you're 135 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: still celebrating a version of Christmas in Asheville, North Carolina, 136 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: aren't you. 137 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a psychedelic Christmas here. And I just 138 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 5: realized these lights I have there's like different settings and 139 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 5: one of them is one of them is like aggressive. 140 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 5: I'm gonna so I'm going to put it on the 141 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 5: non pulsing setting for the rest of the rest of 142 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 5: the interview. 143 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: That's okay, whatever you want to do. Talk about that studio, Gordy. 144 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm here. This is the finishing school. It's 145 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: it's our it's our studio here in Austin, tons of 146 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: old analog gear and microphones and lots of rooms to 147 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 4: track live. This is where we've gone our last few records, 148 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 4: and much about other artists also. It's a it's a 149 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 4: great space. We feel really lucky. We did Hayes Carl's 150 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: last record here. Patty Griffin did her most recent record 151 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: that's up for a Grammy, she did that here. So 152 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: it's a feel definitely feel spoiled with this this studio, 153 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: in this space. 154 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: It's beautiful. It really is. 155 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: You guys have been together for twenty years now, which 156 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: in today's music landscape is pretty revolutionary. What's the secret 157 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: sauce behind this great collaboration? 158 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: Oh my dog has things to say about this, well, 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think the first thing is 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 5: is the respect. 161 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: We welcome dogs too, By the way, I don't worry. 162 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's just like hanging out on my feet here whining. 163 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: You know. 164 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: I think I think of mutual respect first of all, 165 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 5: and I think that you know, this is something that 166 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 5: you couldn't have calculated. But I think over the years 167 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 5: it's become apparent like there's a compatibility between Gordy and 168 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: I think. I think in terms of our our drive 169 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 5: in musically, I think our love for music and I 170 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 5: desire to want to write and create and make music. 171 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 5: I think that's something. The longer that you do this, 172 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 5: you sort of you fall into more simpatico sort of 173 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: groups of people, because the longer that you do this, 174 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: it kind of gets it kind of weeds out people. 175 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 5: You know, there's uh when you're young and you're getting started, 176 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 5: everyone's excited about I want to be in a band 177 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 5: and get on stage and we have some drinks and 178 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 5: we meet some girls and whatever. And then you know, 179 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: when you realize that, like that is about one percent 180 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 5: of the whole the whole thing. You need something else 181 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 5: and motivates you. And I think luckily we've been we've 182 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 5: both been motivated by by similar things over the years. 183 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: And what's your dog's name, by the way, his name's Pancho. 184 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 5: Pancho. Come here, buddy, come here, Come on, Come say hi, 185 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 5: Come say hi, Come say hi. Oh he's not happy, 186 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 5: he's not come home here, everybody here. He is? 187 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: What an adorable one. 188 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 5: He's a big lugs. 189 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: Has Pancho ever sat in and participated in any recording sessions? 190 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when I whenever I set up a microphone 191 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 5: in here. He he has a desire to sing. He's 192 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 5: got a little bit of husky in him, so he's 193 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 5: very he's very vocally to sing. 194 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: Ponchos. Adorable. Yeah, A good boy. God, what do you 195 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,239 Speaker 3: think the secret's been? Gordy to this longevity? 196 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 4: Ed Ed hit on a lot of it. But as 197 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 4: an artist, when when you're young and starting out, you 198 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: you feel this uh drive to follow your internal guide 199 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: and your internal voice and making art and making choices. 200 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 4: And I think really great music can be made that way. However, 201 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 4: what this band has taught me and I think ed, 202 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: and I learned this early in the band, is that 203 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: when you're teamed up with collaborators that you trust and 204 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: respect and you appreciate whatever, you appreciate the art that 205 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: they've made, and therefore trust their internal voice as well. 206 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: It's kind of counterintuitive as an artist to compromise, I think, 207 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 4: because I think the artistic drive is to follow your instincts. 208 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: But I think what we've learned in this band is 209 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: that we actually, by listening to each other, by by compromising, 210 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: actually we sometimes make things that far surpasses what our 211 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 4: initial vision was. And I think that's rare, and I 212 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 4: think that it may just be random chance that the 213 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 4: way that we found each other and the way the 214 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: people that we've had in this band and the way 215 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: that it's worked, somehow there's enough respect there that the 216 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: there's this the fine line of compromising and staying true 217 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: to yourself, Like we're able to juggle all of those 218 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: things in a way that still feels good to each 219 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 4: one of us individually as artists. But then also we've 220 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: learned that the compromise has been something like kind of 221 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 4: a superpower of the band, kind of like allowing the 222 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 4: band as a whole set to have a voice, a style. 223 00:11:59,400 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: You know. 224 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: One of our favorite things on the Taking a Walk 225 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: podcast is following these great indie music journeys like yours 226 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: and kind of chronicling where the career breakthroughs really occur. 227 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: Let's talk about Hurricane going platinum in twenty twenty five, 228 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: fourteen years after you released it in twenty eleven. One 229 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: of the most fascinating music stories certainly that I've heard. 230 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 3: Walk me through what that moment felt like when you 231 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: got that. 232 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: News that you know, that song, that recording is so 233 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 4: it's it isn't an interesting story. We probably started working 234 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: on that record in twenty ten, and we had this album. 235 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: It had these Gulf coast themes. Ed had a song 236 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: about the oil spill that had happened a few years earlier. 237 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 4: I had a song inspired by Marie Levau in New Orleans. 238 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: Had a song inspired by, strangely, some of the conquistadors 239 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: that shipwrecked in Florida into fifteen hundreds and traveled along 240 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 4: the Gulf coast. So the record had this kind of 241 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: Gulf coast subject matter and theme. That song Hurricane, you know, 242 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 4: we had heard the levon Helm version from like nineteen 243 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 4: seventy nine or nineteen eighty that's on this American Sun record, 244 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 4: and it kind of felt like he missed the mark. 245 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 4: Production Wise, it felt like it was trying to be 246 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: a remake of like Up on Cripple Creek. It was 247 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: a little like bouncy and happy, and so we kind 248 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 4: of turned it on its head and didn't think too 249 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: much about it. We're just like, hey, this song kind 250 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: of fits the vibe, like let's treat it a radically 251 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: different way, and it went on the record. It's way 252 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: too slow for radio, it's way too long for radio. 253 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 4: The record came out, we all were really proud of it, 254 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 4: but it didn't really I don't think. I don't know 255 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: if our fans liked it. Initially, it was a little 256 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 4: it had some weird psychedelic moments, and it felt like 257 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: our fans were kind of for the first time. It 258 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: was our third record, and for the first time it 259 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: felt like our fans were not like on the same 260 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: page with us, and so we you know, kept soldiering 261 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: on and making records. But yeah, like I don't know 262 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 4: how many years later we started realizing, like, oh, this 263 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: Hurricane song keeps people keep sending me videos of bands 264 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 4: and bars singing our version of it, and it kind 265 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 4: of took on a life of its own that had 266 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: nothing to do with promotion or or trying to make 267 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: it a hit song or trying to do something with 268 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 4: it. It really happened organically, so I don't know, Yeah, we 269 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: didn't really get news of it. Hitting platinum first was 270 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: like a gold record and somebody said, hey, you should 271 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: look into the data because you know, we're our own 272 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 4: label where there's nobody tracking this stuff outside of us, 273 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: and so for us, it was kind of like somebody said, hey, 274 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 4: you should you should count up your streams and submit 275 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: because this thing might be gold or you know. And 276 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: apparently it had been gold for a while before we 277 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 4: knew that it was, and then I think just in 278 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: this last year or two it hit platinum. So it 279 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 4: just goes to show it's a strange business. There's that, 280 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: you know. One of the beautiful things about streaming is that, 281 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: like things can just take on a life of their 282 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 4: own if people like it, you know. 283 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you do have to sort of keep a 284 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: little bit of an eye on it. Not that any 285 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: of the big streaming companies would take full advantage of 286 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 3: the numbers or anything, right. 287 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll leave it at that. 288 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: No, yeah, but over a billion streams. I mean it 289 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: became this this anthem during you know, hurricanes obviously, which 290 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 3: we have too many of, including Katrina. So you must 291 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: have had some sense in the midst of this that 292 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: this song had this special meaning during difficult times. 293 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 5: It did, but it was so it was so long 294 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 5: after the fact. I mean you mentioned the word breakthrough. 295 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: I would say, it's more like, have you ever seen 296 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 5: the movie Andy duffraan uh he hammers his way out 297 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 5: of prison with the little ball peen hammer. It was 298 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 5: more like that. I have to I have to look 299 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 5: up with the name of the movies. I like just 300 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 5: literally had a massive brain fart. 301 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 4: Joshank Redemption, thank you, jeez? 302 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: What do you what? What does Gordy win? What is 303 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: what prize does he win? 304 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 5: I like, I actually had it in my head before 305 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 5: you started talking, and then I and then it went 306 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 5: away and I was like, Eddie, your frain. 307 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: I looked it up. I don't get a prize. 308 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 5: Darn. 309 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: It's an amazing story, it's an amazing song, and I 310 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: just love chronicling it. 311 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 312 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 313 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: So let's talk about country sides. 314 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: The title itself, it is it a kind of a 315 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: statement rest of all. 316 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 5: I think we're we've we've never been too much about 317 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 5: hitting you over the head with any messages. But I 318 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 5: think it's a little bit of a uh. I always 319 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 5: want to be provocative, you know, and I want to 320 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 5: always want to kind of imply things, but also leave 321 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 5: things to the listener's imagination and ideas. I think that 322 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 5: the title of the record, and we kind of about 323 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: it around, it's you know, you can sort of take 324 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 5: it in a lot of different directions in terms of 325 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 5: what it means, what the implications of it are. I 326 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 5: don't know, of Gordy, if you want to illuminate that anymore. 327 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 5: I tend to like to leave things in the shadows, 328 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 5: but maybe maybe there's a better way, to better way 329 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 5: to say that. 330 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 4: I'm different from Ed in that I'm excited by all 331 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: the different meanings and I want to talk about them all. 332 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: Ed likes to leave it leave it a little more 333 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: up to the listener. You know, we got we got 334 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 4: excited about that title because it to me, it meant 335 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 4: so many different things. Our country is really divided right now, 336 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: and there's a there are sides in our country. There's 337 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 4: the obvious, you know countries sides, you know, bucolic view 338 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: to countrysides. There's A and B sides, like sides being songs, 339 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 4: and then there's food, you know, good the side dishes 340 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 4: sometimes are better than the main course. But uh, you know, 341 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 4: I think to me, the record is kind of all 342 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 4: those things. And we set out to make like a 343 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 4: soul a soul record that had country flavors on it. 344 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 4: So we wanted to lean into Pedal Steel and kind 345 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 4: of like a reference to I mean, we were thrown 346 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: around these like early Adobe Gray records that are kind 347 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: of these soul records, but they have this southern uh, 348 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 4: they have country flavorings to it, and that's where we 349 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 4: started out. That's what we were kind of like aiming 350 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: for in the studio. And sometimes you nail that and 351 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 4: sometimes it takes on a life of it's only become 352 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: something else. But that's that's kind of where we were 353 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 4: coming from. 354 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 3: I love High on our own supply. That's getting a 355 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: lot of talk. Is the lead single. Can you tell 356 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 3: us anything about that song? 357 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? 358 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 5: I mean, I think that song is almost like a 359 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 5: you know, it's like an eponymous song for the band 360 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 5: without the name of the song being the band of Heathens. 361 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: You know. 362 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 5: It's ah, the idea is really about It's about us 363 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 5: in terms of, you know, we've built this world around 364 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 5: ourselves that we've wanted to live in, and we've done 365 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 5: it through music, you know, and that's a that's all. 366 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 5: That's kind of our lens for processing and looking at 367 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 5: the world. But it's also our lens for you know, 368 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 5: for celebrating all the things, you know, all the emotions 369 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: that we go through and and in life. And really 370 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 5: it's a I think ultimately it's a song about celebrating that, 371 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 5: you know, about this idea that, hey, everything that we 372 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 5: need to do, the things we want to do, we have. 373 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 5: We have all these tools. It's our imagination and that 374 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 5: channel through our hands and our voices. You know. It's 375 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 5: kind of really like a really kind of a mantra 376 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 5: about music. 377 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: I love the array of places that you guys have 378 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 3: performed at it, you know, everything from the clubs in 379 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: Austin to the Grand Old Opry, Red Rocks Banau. How 380 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: is the live show over these twenty years evolved. 381 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 4: I think the live show started off in our early days, 382 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: it was very there were no rules, there was no 383 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: set list, it was very loose. We embraced the idea 384 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 4: of like train wrecks in front of the audience, the 385 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 4: kind of just going for it all the time. And 386 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 4: I think that the band and the live show has 387 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: morphed into something that is we still write a fresh 388 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 4: set list every night, but I think we have a 389 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 4: little bit more structure too. We're trying to build a 390 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 4: journey every night that allows room for going for it 391 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 4: and for stretching out. It's there's a lot of improvisation 392 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 4: and a lot of moments for us as musicians to 393 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: uh stretch out and and do something that try try 394 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: for something that may or may not land. 395 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 5: I don't know. 396 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 4: I think we've gotten better at creating powerful moments that 397 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: like we know how to like really build tension up 398 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 4: and then and then release it. And I feel like 399 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: we've embraced the different you know, over the twenty years now, 400 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: we've had moments of We've had records that are very 401 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: introspective singer songwriter records. We have records that are more swampy, bluesy, 402 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: We have some records that are more country, and so 403 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 4: I think the show is kind of evolved to embrace 404 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 4: each one of those flavors in different ways, you know, 405 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 4: while on this journey of tension and release throughout the 406 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: you know, ninety to one hundred minutes, and it's it's fun, 407 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think the challenge is to 408 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 4: have fun with it, and we're we're still having fun. 409 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: You know. 410 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: We produced this other podcast. It's called Music Saved Me. 411 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 3: It's ultimately about how music saves and transforms lives. Over 412 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: twenty years of making music together, how has the band 413 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: saved you? 414 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 5: That's a good question. Well, I mean, I think that's 415 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 5: the preface to that is the music is certainly saved 416 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: all of us, I think individually and then I think collectively. 417 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 5: It's just been it's been a touchstone, you know. I mean, 418 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 5: I think in the band internally, you know, we've had 419 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 5: everyone's met their wives and gotten married and had children 420 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: and lost loved ones, all these things, and it seems 421 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 5: like the music, the music is always it always remains, 422 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 5: you know, it's always there. It's always you know, for 423 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 5: me at least, it's always a comfort. It's something that 424 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 5: you can always go to that when when everything else 425 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 5: doesn't seem to make sense, that seems to make sense. 426 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: And I think that's also a testament to to you know, 427 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 5: to the commitment that Gordy and I have made to 428 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: each other and to this band. 429 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: You know that. 430 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 5: I think I think people rely on a lot of 431 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 5: things to help them through difficult times, and I think 432 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 5: that's a wonderful thing. And I think the thing about 433 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 5: music specifically that I've always recognized about it is that 434 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 5: it's always given me more than I could ever give 435 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 5: back to it, you know. And I think within the band, 436 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 5: within working in the context of the band, I think 437 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 5: we're all aware of that being the framework, you know 438 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 5: what I mean. So when we if we just show 439 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 5: up and we're present for it and we allow it 440 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 5: to do what it does, Like, I think that's I 441 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 5: think that is most of our job, just showing up 442 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 5: and being present for it. I think whenever I've had 443 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 5: expectations of what music's going to do for me, or 444 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: like I was going to deliver my life or change 445 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 5: it or whatever, there you know it, it becomes an 446 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 5: imbalance and it's kind of just like it's almost like 447 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 5: you get you get a little uh, you get a 448 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 5: little head check and music. It's just kind of like, hey, hey, 449 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 5: remember when you were ten years old and you sat 450 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 5: in your room and you played guitar and and that 451 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 5: was all you needed. Like that's it's still all you 452 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: need it kind of you know what I mean. It's 453 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 5: just it's sort of a it's eternal, it's always it's 454 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 5: always giving like that. 455 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 4: Ed when you were talking about how in our own supply, 456 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 4: you know, this life that music has given us where 457 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 4: it's our job to be creative. I think all of us, 458 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 4: whether your your profession is one where you're creative or 459 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 4: whether it's not, I think we're all meant to be 460 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: creative beings. And I think that creation process manifests in 461 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 4: so many different ways. From having children is an obvious one. 462 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 4: You know, say your your children would be the most 463 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 4: important and greatest songs you'll ever write. It's how you, 464 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: how you live for them to see and model. But 465 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 4: I think that music is given me this opportunity to 466 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 4: partake in that creative process, like in a very intense way. 467 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 4: That has been a teacher for me in life. And 468 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 4: then I would also add that the most powerful music 469 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 4: has been for me as a music fan and as 470 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 4: a listener. It's always been in my darkest times and 471 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 4: my worst days, music has been the most powerful and 472 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: has helped pull me out of that. I think getting 473 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: to go out on tour, make records, create what hope 474 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 4: you hope to be the soundtrack to people's lives, and 475 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: then go play shows. Every night, going out on stage, 476 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: I think about myself in my worst times going to 477 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 4: a show and that show pulling me out of those 478 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 4: dark times. I think about that every night I go 479 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 4: on stage, and it's a gift to be able to 480 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 4: to do that with music. It's it's healing, it's magical, 481 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 4: it unites people in a really divisive time, and so 482 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: I think it's just been an amazing gift to be 483 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 4: able to do that for a living and get to 484 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 4: partake in that, in the magic of how music can 485 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 4: both heal people but also heal the divisions, you know, 486 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: society wide and culturally. It's amazing, and you know, it's 487 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: a it's kind of a shitty time right now in 488 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 4: our country and with all the divisiveness, and I think 489 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 4: that also makes it especially I feel especially grateful to 490 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: have this job in a time like this when I 491 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: feel like we need we need music. 492 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: Is there something that you guys hope that people take 493 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: away from countrysides that maybe they haven't gotten from your 494 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 3: previous work. 495 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 4: That's an interesting question. I don't I have to think 496 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: about it. I don't really think about like I think 497 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: when we're writing or writing new material and making records, 498 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: I'm not usually thinking it's it's it's strangely in a vacuum, 499 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 4: like I don't really think about it. A lot of 500 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 4: times a record will be a reaction to the previous record, like, hey, 501 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 4: we did this, now let's do something radically different. A 502 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: lot of times I feel like that is one thing 503 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: we think about ed. I don't know, is there anything? 504 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 5: Yeah? I think well, I think a couple of things, 505 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 5: like we made these records because we have to, and 506 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 5: we need to write songs and play music. That's kind 507 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 5: of our job as musicians and in this band. But ultimately, 508 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 5: like they don't, the songs mean nothing unless people take 509 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 5: them into their lives and sort of like Gordy mentioned, 510 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 5: they make them the soundtracks of their lives. So I 511 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 5: think I think, more than anything, I would just hope 512 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 5: that this music resonates with people in a way that's 513 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 5: meaningful and that's something that they want to share with 514 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 5: other people around them. I think on a really basic level, 515 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 5: that's kind of how it works into Gordy's point in 516 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 5: a time where there's so much to focus on that's 517 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 5: divisive and full of noise and really negatively laced, just 518 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 5: this idea that we could be some sort of threat 519 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 5: of positivity and something good that people could consistently rely 520 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: on and go to, you know, because it's just something that's, 521 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 5: you know, again to use cliches, it's something that's come 522 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 5: from our heart and come from our soul and come 523 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 5: from a from from a deep place of to me, 524 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 5: of of benevolence and of good will, you know what 525 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 5: I mean. I think that's we always lead with that, 526 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 5: and I hope that's sort of without hitting people over 527 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 5: the head with that, I hope that's sort of the 528 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 5: message of the music and the feeling that we provide 529 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 5: to people when they when they're when they're listening to 530 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 5: our music. 531 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: So in closing, since we do call this podcast taking 532 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: a walk, I do have to ask you the question, 533 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: who would you take a walk with, living or dead? 534 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 5: I take a walk with my grandfather, who I was 535 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: named after my dad's dad. I never got to meet him. 536 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 5: He died after he found out that my mom was 537 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 5: pregnant with me, and I've heard nothing but great stories 538 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 5: about him, and I guess he was also a pretty 539 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 5: great amateur musician. One of the great generation, which I 540 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 5: think is in the rear view mirror, really seems to 541 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 5: be like the iconic generation of America in terms of 542 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 5: saving the world from fascism and then you know, kind 543 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 5: of exporting the great ideals of America to the world. 544 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 5: So I think I think I get a lot out 545 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 5: of that. I think that would kind of inform a 546 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 5: lot of a lot of who I am in a 547 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: way that it's probably subconscious or unconscious because I just 548 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 5: was never you know, it was never tangible. 549 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: Gorty, you could have two. 550 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: By the way, I allow for two answers to the 551 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 3: question for those that can't single out one, because it's 552 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 3: meant to be a difficult question. 553 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 4: I'm reading a bunch of strange mysticism stuff right now. 554 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 4: I would I would probably go on a walk with 555 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 4: like Jesus or Buddha or somebody enlightened. I mean, Jesus 556 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: would be the easy one culturally in America, But honestly, 557 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: I feel like he was. I feel like modern Christianity 558 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 4: has gone astray from what I think he intended, and 559 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 4: I'd have a ton of questions trying to get to 560 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: the bottom of it. 561 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: Gordy Quist and Ed Jerdy the Bandy Heathen's congratulations on Countrysides. 562 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 3: It's an honor to be able to have you on 563 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk and you're welcome back anytime you want. 564 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 5: Thanks, Bus appreciate its buzz. 565 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: I'm Buzznight, and thanks for listening to the Taking a 566 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 3: Walk podcast. Now, please check out our companion podcasts produced 567 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: by Buzznight Media Productions with your host Lynn Hoffman. 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