Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.
Speaker 2: I'll that for me.
Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 3: be happy.
Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day Ato State? Is
Speaker 1: that woo woom? And Dan and Ty.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Solid Verbal. Boys and girls. My
Speaker 4: name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me as always my good friend,
Speaker 4: my colleague, my co host of many years. His name
Speaker 4: is Dan Rubinstein. Over there in New York City, Sir.
Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good, Ty, I am. I'm excited
Speaker 1: that we got to space out signing day. I'm not
Speaker 1: excited that my team has three head coaches in like
Speaker 1: fourteen months, but I'm excited that it wasn't all crammed
Speaker 1: into a single day. Selfishly, it was much easier to
Speaker 1: follow because I'm an old man. So life is good.
Speaker 4: You know what I thought you were going to say,
Speaker 4: don't you What's that I thought you were going to say?
Speaker 4: You were excited that we launched a car into space,
Speaker 4: not that we were spacing out any kind of man
Speaker 4: signing peer or anything on the college football side of things.
Speaker 1: I will do a space episode at some point this offseason.
Speaker 1: Today is for signing Day. Stuff did not understand that. Okay,
Speaker 1: didn't understand that. But listen, Ty, it's national I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's National Signing Day. It's not the early signing period.
Speaker 1: And I'll bet our guests and their analysis will be
Speaker 1: out of this or boom there it is. Talk about
Speaker 1: the star rankings. We're talking about actual celestial bodies.
Speaker 4: Look at you, Look at you? Firing up the pun
Speaker 4: gun here. Yeah, on the traditional National Signing Day. We've
Speaker 4: done countless shows on this very day for as far
Speaker 4: back as I can possibly remember. Now, of course they
Speaker 4: changed up the process on us. So there was another
Speaker 4: one of these, an early signing period on which we
Speaker 4: did a show back in December. Right, we talked about
Speaker 4: a good chunk of the guys who signed back then.
Speaker 4: I think something like sixty five or seventy of the
Speaker 4: guys signed back on the early signing day. Now we've
Speaker 4: got the more traditional version of recruiting's National Signing Day again,
Speaker 4: coverage on ESPN, ESPN two all throughout the day. We're
Speaker 4: going to talk with Brandon Hoffman. We're going to talk
Speaker 4: with but Elliott I believe in studio. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: That is true? We're going to bring Bud into into
Speaker 1: the big, official, beautiful studio here at the Espanation Office.
Speaker 4: We promised back in December that on this day we
Speaker 4: would give you a full, more comprehensive recap of what
Speaker 4: transpired in all of the Power five conferences, what transpired
Speaker 4: at Notre Dame. We'll talk a little bit about Group
Speaker 4: of Five conferences as well. Just do our best here
Speaker 4: with Brandon, with Bud's help, to try and give you
Speaker 4: a good thirty thousand foot view of what went on
Speaker 4: in the world of recruiting in this particular recruiting cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we're going to get HERM. Edwards
Speaker 1: on the line. He's on vacation. I guess there was
Speaker 1: some mix up he didn't. I think he thought it
Speaker 1: was March and it was just a whole thing. Now
Speaker 1: it's the first class for HERM. Edwards and irmured Werderge
Speaker 1: in Arizona State. So yeah, I think there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of storylines to go over. It's just like all hal Georgia,
Speaker 1: I guess is the big thing we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: talk about. But now, I think, all in all a
Speaker 1: good signing day. I think there's good stories. I think
Speaker 1: there's teams that perhaps out recruited what they've been doing lately,
Speaker 1: which is always cool to see the talent level coming
Speaker 1: up at places where it hasn't necessarily been the highest.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited not just to hear about how the
Speaker 1: Powers did, but certainly how teams across this vast land
Speaker 1: have done.
Speaker 4: The other point of note before we jump right in
Speaker 4: with Brandon Hoffman from twenty four to seven, there will
Speaker 4: be another recruiting show. We're planning on it next week
Speaker 4: and it will be titled How Recruiting Works. It's a
Speaker 4: little bit of a different style for us. We did
Speaker 4: a couple of these last year and a couple minutes
Speaker 4: of it. I'm only a couple minutes through of the
Speaker 4: final mix, but I'm pretty excited about where it's headed.
Speaker 4: We talked to Brandon, we talked to Bud, We talked
Speaker 4: to some other friends in and around the world of
Speaker 4: college football and college football media. We've got parents that
Speaker 4: are coming on the program to talk about the recruiting process.
Speaker 4: So not ours, not ours, no no, no, gonna do
Speaker 4: a deep dive on recruiting, all the players involved, and
Speaker 4: I don't know, try to peel back the curtain and
Speaker 4: describe the process.
Speaker 1: We should do a listening party for the How College
Speaker 1: Football Works Recruiting show in the way that I think
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake had a listening party. Okay, Prince's house, so
Speaker 1: I think we should go to the forty forty Club.
Speaker 1: Let's invite Rick Rubin just like let people jam out
Speaker 1: to the newest episode, Ty, I think it's a banger.
Speaker 4: Can have people facebook live or periscope themselves or just
Speaker 4: take a short clip of you listening to it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: a virtual listening party.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: On that note, let's get to our friend Brandon Huffman.
Speaker 4: He's been on this show countless times. On this very day,
Speaker 4: he is now with twenty four to seven Sports Brandon
Speaker 4: Hoffman joining us. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Dan, Ty.
Speaker 3: It's like a lot of years, a long time. It
Speaker 3: was so long ago. I was with Scout back when
Speaker 3: we first started this.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was a different time.
Speaker 4: So how are you, and more importantly, how have you
Speaker 4: enjoyed this new process.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: I am actually kind of enjoying this secondary one because
Speaker 3: there's less unicorns to chase around because we spent most
Speaker 3: of the December month doing so.
Speaker 2: But it's been interesting.
Speaker 3: There's still been a lot of late drama, as you
Speaker 3: would expect at this time of year, but a lot
Speaker 3: less drama on the grand scheme of scene because only
Speaker 3: about thirty to thirty five percent of the available recruits
Speaker 3: signed today. Everybody else was done in December, so it's
Speaker 3: been unique. It's been different, but it's kind of preparedness
Speaker 3: for what the reality of signing day and the early
Speaker 3: signing period is going to be like in the future.
Speaker 4: Did you have a particular favorite in the announcement category,
Speaker 4: the creative announcement category, Let's say, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, I still think back to an Isaiah Kroll
Speaker 3: used a little baby bulldog Andre Smith pulling out the
Speaker 3: hounds tooth hat. But kind of a new thing this
Speaker 3: year is a crying baby or just baby in general
Speaker 3: to announce where kids going to school. Tommy Bush this
Speaker 3: morning revealed his announcement that he was going to Georgia
Speaker 3: by taking the hand off of his niece who was
Speaker 3: wearing a Georgia's shirt. And even though he had the
Speaker 3: hats and the shirts in front of him, the niece
Speaker 3: was wearing the Georgia shirt and that was his announcement,
Speaker 3: and then she started crying. I don't know if she
Speaker 3: didn't want him to go to Georgia or if she
Speaker 3: just was trying to figure out why everybody was looking
Speaker 3: at her. I'm in Merlin Robertson, a four star linebacker
Speaker 3: out of Southern California, who he announced for Arizona State
Speaker 3: by also revealing he's going to be a sun devil
Speaker 3: by a baby at his announcement, unzipping their sweashirt and
Speaker 3: rebellion Arizona State sweasher. So that's kind of the new thing.
Speaker 3: Animals are a scene of the past, hats are a
Speaker 3: little bit of thing of the past, and now we've
Speaker 3: got babies announcing where guys will be taking their talents
Speaker 3: for the next three or four years.
Speaker 4: Regarding the actual players, Brandon, every class is strong at
Speaker 4: one position, not so strong at another. Where were the
Speaker 4: strengths Where were the weaknesses in the twenty eighteen class.
Speaker 3: I would say that strengths are certainly at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3: And this is probably the best one through three punch
Speaker 3: we've seen from a quarterback class, maybe ever. And part
Speaker 3: of that was because of the late reclassification of JT. Daniels,
Speaker 3: who was our number one quarterback in the twenty nineteen class.
Speaker 3: He reclassified to be a part of the twenty eighteen class,
Speaker 3: signed a day with USC, but he joins a group
Speaker 3: of guys that includes Trevor Lawrence, who was the number
Speaker 3: one player in the country in the twenty eighteen class
Speaker 3: and ended up being the composite number one player. I'm
Speaker 3: in Justin Fields and he's the number two player in
Speaker 3: the country. So Trevor Lawrence is the number one overall
Speaker 3: pro style quarterback, a number one overall player, Justin Fields
Speaker 3: right behind them, and then you have JT.
Speaker 2: Daniels in there as well.
Speaker 3: Each of those three guys are going to have a
Speaker 3: chance to see early playing time. I would imagine that
Speaker 3: Daniels is in the best position because Sam Darnold's gone,
Speaker 3: Justin Fields will have to deal with Jake from and
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence will have to deal with Kelly Ryant and
Speaker 3: Hunter Johnson who was there last year. But both those guys,
Speaker 3: Lawrence and Field's got one hundred plus graved on twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven Sports, and then J. T. Daniels right
Speaker 3: behind him at number ninety nine, number six overall players.
Speaker 3: So great quarterback class, a outstanding defensive line class. I
Speaker 3: talk about Lawrence and fields one and two and then three,
Speaker 3: four and five are all defensive ends. Eo Biaoma, who's
Speaker 3: going to Alabama, was the number three overall player. Zager
Speaker 3: Thomas is the number four overall player from IMG going
Speaker 3: to Clemson, and then Michael Parsons, who's a weak side
Speaker 3: defensive end but could play some linebacker, could play at
Speaker 3: number of positions, is the number five overall players. So
Speaker 3: pass rushers and quarterbacks are the two kind of standards
Speaker 3: in this class offensive line outside of the select few,
Speaker 3: not a great class, not a deep class.
Speaker 2: In the running back class.
Speaker 3: You know, we've gotten some pretty good running back groups
Speaker 3: these last couple of years. This year not real strong,
Speaker 3: not real deep at the running back position. Next years
Speaker 3: will be much better. So you know you'll see a
Speaker 3: lot of running backs in that twenty nineteen class. So
Speaker 3: I see their recruitments inflated a little bit because there
Speaker 3: just wasn't the huge amount of running back talent this
Speaker 3: year after a very good class of it a year ago.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something just because you mentioned justin
Speaker 1: fields and we'll talk about this later with Bud Elliott
Speaker 1: with regard to Georgia and the SEC, but in terms
Speaker 1: of how this year's Georgia class ranks and I'm seeing
Speaker 1: seven five stars, which is more than double the rest
Speaker 1: of the SEC combined. How does this to you compare
Speaker 1: to some of the great individual classes we've seen through
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been covering recruiting for now decades. I
Speaker 1: assume you know we have tw I think it was
Speaker 1: two thousand and four USC, the Whitney Lewis year. You know,
Speaker 1: there have been some extraordinary classes. Florida has had great
Speaker 1: individual classes. How does this compare to the top of
Speaker 1: the top of the top?
Speaker 3: I mean this is up there because you've got seven
Speaker 3: of twenty four SEVENS rankings alone, You've got seven of
Speaker 3: the top twenty three players in the country, so almost
Speaker 3: a third of the a little bit more than a
Speaker 3: third of the lesson the fourth I'm not great in math,
Speaker 3: but the top twenty five players in the country are
Speaker 3: all heading to Georgia. But then there's even more talent
Speaker 3: after that top end group of guys. But you've got
Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback in justin Fields, You've got a franchise
Speaker 3: running back into mere White. You've got the best tackle,
Speaker 3: the best player in the state of Tennessee, and kid Maye.
Speaker 3: You've got Bren Cox from in State. You've got Trey Hill,
Speaker 3: who he and Jamari Sawyer are probably six hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty pounds of just absolute nastiness at the guard position.
Speaker 3: Tyson Campbell, who was probably second best corner on his
Speaker 3: own team, and he's the number two corner in the
Speaker 3: country playing with Patrick's certain Adam Anderson, who will probably
Speaker 3: be the guy that we're not gonna hear from right
Speaker 3: off the bat, but in three years from now, people
Speaker 3: are gonna be like, wait a second, this guy was
Speaker 3: on their roster all these years because he's only about
Speaker 3: six four, two hundred and fifteen and twenty pounds as an
Speaker 3: outside linebacker. But that's the guy that ends up being
Speaker 3: that two hundred and fifty pass rusher when he gets
Speaker 3: to Georgia.
Speaker 2: So this class is just insane.
Speaker 3: Where it looked like they might have even been done today,
Speaker 3: It looked like they may not have had any room
Speaker 3: for guys, and then they pull in kway Walker, they
Speaker 3: get Tommy Bush out of Texas to announce for them,
Speaker 3: and they already had look forward one of the top
Speaker 3: tight ends of the country, James Kuk Dalvin's younger brother
Speaker 3: was already on board. So you look at what this class,
Speaker 3: you just didn't think it could get much stronger from
Speaker 3: what they signed in December. And then alas Kirby Smart
Speaker 3: ends up pulling in an even better signing day just
Speaker 3: because of how few spots are left in the caliber
Speaker 3: of the players he's bringing in that signed today.
Speaker 1: Let's go back west, just because I brought up USC
Speaker 1: briefly with an older class. But it's I mean, another year,
Speaker 1: another afternoon of USC closing an incredible fashion, a huge class.
Speaker 1: I don't believe, but we have. You mentioned JT. Daniels,
Speaker 1: the reclassified pro style quarterback who look like to be
Speaker 1: the best player perhaps in the class. Next year he
Speaker 1: comes in and he'll immediately compete Warren G's kid is
Speaker 1: an elite corner. This class doesn't seem like it might
Speaker 1: even be done. I don't even know what to make
Speaker 1: of this USC class. How does it compare not just
Speaker 1: to previous USC classes, but just in terms of talent?
Speaker 1: What is the context that we should be looking at
Speaker 1: this USC close in?
Speaker 3: Well, mean, if you just look at where they finished
Speaker 3: in the rankings in the state of California, they finished
Speaker 3: with six of the top eight players in the state.
Speaker 3: That includes the top quarterback in the West, the top
Speaker 3: receiver in the West, the top two.
Speaker 2: Corners in the West.
Speaker 3: They add the top inside linebacker in the West from
Speaker 3: the state of Nevada and pala Ie Gatote. Then they
Speaker 3: get the top inside linebacker from California.
Speaker 2: They get the top.
Speaker 3: Interior linement from the West, and justin debt it, they
Speaker 3: get the top player from Oregon in Talanoa Hufunda. And
Speaker 3: it's not just California where they did well. They go
Speaker 3: into Oregon and they take Tollano who from that they
Speaker 3: flipped Elijah Winston yesterday, who was a four star linebacker.
Speaker 3: We've been committed to Oregon where his brother Lamar was
Speaker 3: a starter. Then they go into Nevada and they get
Speaker 3: pala Ea Gaiotot and he's been committed for almost a year,
Speaker 3: probably the best defensive player in the West the last
Speaker 3: two years when the pads are on on Friday nights.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't even include some of the other guys
Speaker 3: that make this class such a strong group. Cut in
Speaker 3: that second level, guys like Devon Williams, who was a
Speaker 3: top one hundred player. Oregon really wanted him and then
Speaker 3: he announced for USC. Today they get one of the
Speaker 3: top JUCO players in the nation in Caleb Trembley, who
Speaker 3: committed just shortly after the December signing period. So USC's
Speaker 3: closed really it started when JT. Daniels decided he was
Speaker 3: going to reclassify it. Then they get Almon Ross Saint
Speaker 3: Brown at the Army Bawl, and then today Leyland Williams ISAA,
Speaker 3: Taylor Stewart and Elijah Griffin. We thought USC's closed last
Speaker 3: year was pretty impressive, but yes year it might have
Speaker 3: even been more.
Speaker 1: So starting with UCLA. And this might not be your answer,
Speaker 1: but starting with the Bruins rank the biggest threats moving
Speaker 1: forward in the PAC twelve in terms of staffs, teams, programs,
Speaker 1: whatever that can be a threat to USC in terms
Speaker 1: of collecting talent, And I say that seeing that UCLA
Speaker 1: put together a pretty nice class all things considered, with
Speaker 1: a new coach in the early signing period and a
Speaker 1: sort of mess of talent going everywhere, how do you
Speaker 1: rank the teams in the PAC twelve at this point?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have to say UCLA is definitely
Speaker 3: a threat to them, largely because it's in their backyard
Speaker 3: and they're going to be recruiting from the similar pool
Speaker 3: of players in southern California, and obviously I think Chip
Speaker 3: Kelly and his staff will will do a better job
Speaker 3: of recruiting southern California than Jim Mora his staff had
Speaker 3: done the last couple of years when it started to
Speaker 3: appear that they had to focus much more nationally. But
Speaker 3: I think the biggest threat to USC right now in
Speaker 3: terms of the overall staff and the overall recruiting actors
Speaker 3: plus the results in the field, is the University of Washington,
Speaker 3: and that's because Washington is now really established themselves and
Speaker 3: probably given Stanford they've had great classes with, Stanford has
Speaker 3: to recruit so much differently. They only have two sigees
Speaker 3: from the state of California. Washington comes into southern California
Speaker 3: and gets a lot of guys that USC wanted, slips
Speaker 3: to the two that got Sanoah, who was from conquerd
Speaker 3: Daala South committed to USC back in April, then flip
Speaker 3: to Washington this week. But the bigger one was going
Speaker 3: to getting Brandon Caho out of Reno.
Speaker 2: He ended up being the.
Speaker 3: Number one player in the state of Nevada, five star
Speaker 3: player who was essentially down to USC, Alabama and Washington.
Speaker 3: Despite being a BYU commit. The Huskies get him and
Speaker 3: then Julia Servant. He commits his dad, who was a
Speaker 3: former Los Angeles RAM. A lot of people want him
Speaker 3: to stay in southern California, and Urban takes Washington over
Speaker 3: USC and Alabama. So Chris Peterson is no longer recruiting
Speaker 3: just in the state of Washington. He's still getting the
Speaker 3: top players from Washington, but now he's going into northern California.
Speaker 3: He's coming into southern California. He's going toe to toe
Speaker 3: with USC for key guys, and he's winning those battles.
Speaker 3: And as long as the Huskies continue to contend in
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve North and continue to put guys out
Speaker 3: early in the draft, I think that's going to help
Speaker 3: them really give USC a run for their money when
Speaker 3: it comes to recruiting, because they also have that Northwest
Speaker 3: base that they can recruit from, and they also have
Speaker 3: a lot of good success in Northern California, largely because
Speaker 3: Chris Peterson's from there and a couple of key recruiters
Speaker 3: are also Northern California native. So I think Washington and
Speaker 3: UCLA probably give USC the most threat right now and
Speaker 3: in Oregon is going to eventually. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: continue to recruit southern California more rather than focusing nationally
Speaker 3: that they did a little bit under WILLI Taggert and
Speaker 3: then Arizona. This class is not a great classifyer Arizona standards,
Speaker 3: but partly because the majority of it signed when rich
Speaker 3: Rodriguez is still the coach in December. But we know
Speaker 3: what kind of recruiter Kevin Solan is and you give
Speaker 3: him a full year worth of recruiting. I think Arizona's
Speaker 3: going to see their class as send in the future.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Stanford briefly. I just want to touch on
Speaker 4: them for a moment. You look at their class, it's
Speaker 4: a smaller class, only fifteen signees. I think according to
Speaker 4: your latest Composite rankings, you've got them at number thirty
Speaker 4: nine nationally. Had a big signing today with Tanner McKee
Speaker 4: the highest rated quarterback still on the board. I feel
Speaker 4: like we've seen this song and dance before from Stanford.
Speaker 4: Is it a concern, Should it be a concern or
Speaker 4: is it just more of the same from Stanford?
Speaker 2: I think it is more of the same.
Speaker 3: Remember a year ago they signed a smaller class, but
Speaker 3: three of the top six players in the country all
Speaker 3: ended up at Stanford, and that was Foster Cerril, Walker Little,
Speaker 3: and Davis Mills. Walker Little ends up being a freshman
Speaker 3: All American this year as a left tackle. Then you
Speaker 3: got Foster Serril coming down the pike, and plus Davis Mills.
Speaker 3: You know who knows that kJ Castillo holds onto that
Speaker 3: job if Mills will play for a while. They go
Speaker 3: back a year later. They don't sign a big class,
Speaker 3: but it's a strong class. Obviously, Tanner McKee is the
Speaker 3: crown jewel in that class, if you that's my opinion.
Speaker 3: The problem is they're not going to even get him
Speaker 3: on campus until twenty twenty because he's immediately planned to
Speaker 3: serve his LDS mission. They got Michael Wilson from Shawman
Speaker 3: out of high school and he's the only other in
Speaker 3: state player that Stanford got in this class. So they
Speaker 3: did a lot more national recruiting and really didn't recruit
Speaker 3: the West as hard as they have in the years past.
Speaker 3: But it also, you know, they have to recruit from
Speaker 3: a different pool of candidates than the rest of the
Speaker 3: pack twelve.
Speaker 2: So if there's not a lot of.
Speaker 3: Great combinations of students plus football players out west. Then
Speaker 3: they have that broad appeal where they can go to
Speaker 3: the East Coast, they can go to the Southeast, they
Speaker 3: can go to the Midwest. And even though it's not
Speaker 3: a huge class, I think it ended up being the
Speaker 3: third based on average, the third or fourth best class
Speaker 3: in the Pac twelve from the average ranking of their players.
Speaker 1: Brandon, I would imagine Oregon fans, who I definitely do
Speaker 1: not speak all for, but might be disappointed with how
Speaker 1: this second signing day or the late signing day or
Speaker 1: the normal signing day ended up because a lot of
Speaker 1: the decommitments from the Willie Taggart recruiting class ultimately didn't
Speaker 1: return back to Eugene. You know, Miles Battle went to Ole,
Speaker 1: Miss Trehawn Harrison followed Willy Taggert to Florida State. Devon Williams,
Speaker 1: who I didn't decommit, but a lot of people thought
Speaker 1: he was going to perhaps end up in Eugene. Spin
Speaker 1: things positively for me and Oregon fans on a day
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily the best.
Speaker 3: Well, I will say the one thing that you know
Speaker 3: as bad as today when like you said, you know,
Speaker 3: Joshawn Harrison picking Florida State. I was at his announcement
Speaker 3: this morning. I was periscoping it and the comments were
Speaker 3: quite comical and they were coming feverishly. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of anger being spit between Oregon and Florida State
Speaker 3: fans there.
Speaker 2: But then you got Devin Williams.
Speaker 3: That goes to USC, Michael Uziki who wasn't organ to
Speaker 3: commit an Sducla. But then it's all about how you end,
Speaker 3: and they end the day by getting Pinay Sewell, who
Speaker 3: they'd been waiting months for. It looked at times during
Speaker 3: the summer that pine Sewell was going to commit there.
Speaker 3: It looked at times during the fall he was going
Speaker 3: to commit there. He took all his official visits in
Speaker 3: time for the early December signing period, decided not to announce,
Speaker 3: and then here we are on signing day, and really
Speaker 3: the last announcement of the day out west was today.
Speaker 3: He's the number one offense alignment in the West. He
Speaker 3: can play tackle, he can play guards, He's a fantastic
Speaker 3: offensive lineman. And I think that that is definitely the
Speaker 3: way they needed to end this day because it was
Speaker 3: going down the road and it kind of started with
Speaker 3: Miles Battle committing to Ole Miss and then losing other guys,
Speaker 3: But it was looking like it was going to be
Speaker 3: a very depressing end of the road for Oregon. But
Speaker 3: then they ended by getting the best offensive lineman in
Speaker 3: the West. And that's the team that the guy that
Speaker 3: they beat Alabama for that they beat USC four and
Speaker 3: then Utah obviously was trying to keep him close to home.
Speaker 3: But again I mentioned this sarily with Washington. When you
Speaker 3: can beat Alabama and USC for recruit that's huge, and
Speaker 3: Oregon ends the day by getting Finay Sewel And I
Speaker 3: think that that it is one way to spin it
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, considering they lost an entire
Speaker 3: recruiting weekend before the early signing period, and they lost
Speaker 3: a lot of key commit down to Willie Tagger or
Speaker 3: to other schools in the South.
Speaker 2: To end it with Senase who will definitely get that
Speaker 2: bitter case.
Speaker 1: Out of their mouth fair enough. And I was talking
Speaker 1: to our pal Yogi Roth about this, who is convinced
Speaker 1: this is the best quarterback class that the Pac twelve
Speaker 1: or Pac ten has ever signed in a season. And
Speaker 1: you've been covering the conference when it had ten teams
Speaker 1: and twelve teams. Does that ring true to you. Obviously, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Washington,
Speaker 1: Utah all pulling blue chip quarterbacks. I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody,
Speaker 1: But is the level of quarterback entering the PAC twelve
Speaker 1: really that high?
Speaker 2: I do think it is, because it wasn't just those schools.
Speaker 3: It's also you know, Washington State grabs a four star
Speaker 3: record setting quarterback from Utah and cam and Cooper, and
Speaker 3: then you know, you already throw in the fact that
Speaker 3: you've got J. T. Daniels reclassifying, You've got Jacobson transferring in.
Speaker 2: You have Washington landing a pair of four stars. Oregon
Speaker 2: State goes and gets a kid.
Speaker 3: Who was criminally under recruited last year after being the
Speaker 3: white Washington State player of the Year, decided.
Speaker 2: To go to the JUCO route and ends up picking
Speaker 2: Ardent State. So I look at this.
Speaker 3: Class depth wise, and I think that the Pac twelve
Speaker 3: top to bottom hasn't had a quarterback class quite this
Speaker 3: strong in some time. And I think a lot of
Speaker 3: that's attributed to the emphasis at this conference place is
Speaker 3: on finding quarterback.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
Speaker 3: Attributed to the fact that the West typically produces more
Speaker 3: quarterbacks per capita. I mean this those look like a
Speaker 3: great year for Georgia considering Fields and Lawrence. But I
Speaker 3: think if you look at the West, there were a
Speaker 3: lot of quarterbacks in this class that I think were
Speaker 3: guys that they're not cliped forward holder Tis.
Speaker 2: There's some years where you.
Speaker 3: Have top quarterbacks, but they're the top based on the
Speaker 3: context of that class, but they're guys that you don't
Speaker 3: never expect to be starters. I'm looking at this PAC
Speaker 3: twelve class right now, and between JT. Daniels, Darian Thompson
Speaker 3: Robinson alone, you've got a couple of potential future starters there.
Speaker 3: Tanner McKee probably starts for Stanford at some point. You know,
Speaker 3: Tyler shuk could be the guy who's next in line
Speaker 3: to take over for Justin Herbert at Oregon. And then
Speaker 3: you have the transfer that Jacob Eeson, he could be
Speaker 3: the next guy Jake Browning, or it's one of the
Speaker 3: two freshmen you have Jack Coletto at Oregon State, who
Speaker 3: is going to be expected to come in a play
Speaker 3: right away. So I think Yogi is definitely onto something
Speaker 3: by saying that this is one of the best classes
Speaker 3: because of the depth of the talent, the quarterback position.
Speaker 4: Real quick, Brandon, before we move over to the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: It was sort of a running joke on this show
Speaker 4: when Herm Edwards came over to ASU and tried to
Speaker 4: implement this new model for recruiting, for building the ASU program.
Speaker 4: How is that going? Is that working on the recruiting side?
Speaker 4: What are people saying about what HERM Edwards is doing
Speaker 4: in Tempe?
Speaker 3: Well, aside from all the Herm Edwards is that we're
Speaker 3: going to be blessed with over the next few years.
Speaker 3: Believe it or not, ASU close really strong. They're number
Speaker 3: thirty six in the country. They had one of the
Speaker 3: smallest classes back in December. But here we are on
Speaker 3: National signing Day and they landed three four stars today
Speaker 3: and two highly ranked three stars to close this out.
Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that as did
Speaker 3: that was really smart. One of the things that Edwards
Speaker 3: did that was smart was he went and hired some
Speaker 3: assistant coaches who understood recruiting. One of those was Tony White,
Speaker 3: who'd probably been the best recruiter in the Mountain West
Speaker 3: over the last decade. A couple of times he was
Speaker 3: a mount and West recruiter of the Year. Really helped
Speaker 3: build the San Diego State program from a recruiting standpoint,
Speaker 3: they hire him and then Antonio Pears. Now he's never
Speaker 3: been a college coach before, but he'd been the head
Speaker 3: coach at Lombach probably for the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: He'd been a part of the Nike Opening Tour, so
Speaker 3: he was traveling to the Nike Openings around the country.
Speaker 3: He'd worked at the Nike Opening Finals, but he coached
Speaker 3: at the school that's produced more NFL players than any
Speaker 3: other school in the country. And then to top it off,
Speaker 3: his own son was recruited two years ago. He's playing
Speaker 3: at Boise State now he's a starter there. So Antonio
Speaker 3: Pierce understands it as a high school coach, he unders
Speaker 3: understands it as a father, and understands it as a
Speaker 3: guy who went through the recruiting process as a JUCO player.
Speaker 3: And so they kind of turned into Pierce loose in
Speaker 3: southern California. He's a big reason they got Merlin Robinson
Speaker 3: and then the two Long Beach Quality four sad they
Speaker 3: got the Shari Crosswell and Jermaine Lolay. Those were all
Speaker 3: because of Antonio Pierce. So if Firm Edwards doesn't quite
Speaker 3: understand what recruiting entails. He at least has hired some
Speaker 3: assistants that completely understand it. And that's going to be
Speaker 3: the surprise when people look at these final rankings, and
Speaker 3: you know, with all the jokes and the chuckles that
Speaker 3: Firm Edwards has produced over these last couple of months,
Speaker 3: they got a class that I don't think other people
Speaker 3: are going to be laughing at because there's some talent
Speaker 3: in this class.
Speaker 4: All right, let's move over to the Big twelve. The
Speaker 4: big story in the Big twelve, I think is what
Speaker 4: went on in Austin Tom Herman with a huge recruiting hall,
Speaker 4: a bigger class, twenty seven guys, nineteen of which came
Speaker 4: from the great State of Texas. A monster back end
Speaker 4: of the recruiting class in Caden Stearns at Safety as
Speaker 4: well as bj Foster, both of whom are from the
Speaker 4: state of Texas. When you look at what Tom Herman did,
Speaker 4: is this sort of a transformational class that will take
Speaker 4: them to the next level.
Speaker 3: There's no question, Because one thing Texas needed to do
Speaker 3: was to get back those kids in the state of Texas.
Speaker 3: It was something that Charlie Shawan had kind of a
Speaker 3: roller coaster a bit. It was something that Mack Brown
Speaker 3: had kind of struggled with towards the end of his regime.
Speaker 3: With Kevin Sumlan starting to become that cheap program in
Speaker 3: the state of Texas, the Holmer's kind of lost their way. Well,
Speaker 3: Herman realized, if you have an entire year to recruit
Speaker 3: these guys as opposed to four or five weeks, which
Speaker 3: he did when he came over from Houston, you're going
Speaker 3: to have that much more success. And so Texas signed
Speaker 3: six of the top seven players from the composite rankings.
Speaker 3: But more importantly, they're at positions where those are guys
Speaker 3: that can come on and make a difference early. You've
Speaker 3: got great defensive backs from Jalen Green, plus the three
Speaker 3: headed safety monster with the Marvin Overshawn, Kayden Sterns, bj Foster,
Speaker 3: Foster was fantastic in the under Armour game, Cayden Sterns
Speaker 3: with the MVP of the Army ball. And then you
Speaker 3: got Brendan Eagle, the big physical receiver from Texas as well.
Speaker 3: Then you got a couple other corners, DeShawn Jamison and
Speaker 3: Anthony Cooks. So when you're in the Big twelve and
Speaker 3: in a conference that can light up the scoreboard, and
Speaker 3: sometimes people question do they even play defense in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve When you can go and sign six premier
Speaker 3: defensive backs from your own backyard, That's one way.
Speaker 2: That kind of helped remedy that situation.
Speaker 3: So I think Texas and obviously Tom Herman understanding the
Speaker 3: importance of recruiting in state, they're going to kind of
Speaker 3: see that trend continuing in years in the future, because again,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be cool again to go
Speaker 3: to Texas for those in state kids.
Speaker 4: What did Tom Herman do outside of maybe hiring some
Speaker 4: guys who understand Texas better than the previous regime, because look,
Speaker 4: the results on the field were here and there wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily a giant leap forward for Herman in the twenty
Speaker 4: seventeen season, But now you look at the recruiting class
Speaker 4: and clearly he has done something right.
Speaker 3: What changed again, I think part of it was getting
Speaker 3: those two years at Houston, And what really helped there
Speaker 3: is because Houston, you know, as good of a Group
Speaker 3: of five program as it is, it doesn't necessar really
Speaker 3: have that national appeal that a lot.
Speaker 2: Of Power five schools have.
Speaker 3: And so while Texas and Texas A and M have
Speaker 3: the ability to recruit outside the state Houston, you.
Speaker 2: Kind of have to focus on the in state kids.
Speaker 3: So what he did when he went from Ohio State
Speaker 3: to Houston is really focused on developing great relationships with
Speaker 3: the high school coaches in the state of Texas, whether
Speaker 3: those were Houston area coaches, whether those were Dallas area coaches,
Speaker 3: whether they were coaches in San Antonio and all around
Speaker 3: the Lone Star state. He did a good job of
Speaker 3: really developing those relationships even though he was just a
Speaker 3: Houston at the time, so that when that Texas job
Speaker 3: came open, those relationships had already been established. This wasn't
Speaker 3: like Charlie Strong coming from Florida and then Louisville and
Speaker 3: now being thrown into the pit of Texas and trying
Speaker 3: to recruit against you know, at that time in Art Briles,
Speaker 3: at that time at Cliff Kingsbury, you know who's at
Speaker 3: Texas Tech. Guys who have had experience that understood what
Speaker 3: Texas football recruiting was like. And even when Kevin Fumblin,
Speaker 3: when Charlie Strong got there, Kevin Summan has things really
Speaker 3: going strong at that point. Well, now Herman has those
Speaker 3: two years to kind of lay in the weeds, getting
Speaker 3: to know the local coaches, getting to know the local talent.
Speaker 3: So when he made the move to the Flaship University,
Speaker 3: he already had those relationships established and he understood what
Speaker 3: it meant to recruit the state of Texas. So I
Speaker 3: think that those two years very much an underrated aspect
Speaker 3: of why he has has had the quick success to
Speaker 3: success as a recruiter in state.
Speaker 1: All Right, now, with Texas behind us, let's move on
Speaker 1: to the class of the conference. The premier team in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. The Iowa State Cyclones did a really
Speaker 1: nice no, well, actually, Iowa State did actually do a
Speaker 1: really nice job this year. But let's talk Oklahoma because they,
Speaker 1: I would say a little bit quietly because what everybody
Speaker 1: sort of was paying attention to with Oklahoma was they
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal season. They win the conference, They have
Speaker 1: a terrific Rose Bowl that comes up just short for
Speaker 1: the for the Sooners, but this is an excellent class.
Speaker 1: They addressed defensive line issues. If anybody saw that game,
Speaker 1: they that you know there was some work to be
Speaker 1: done up front. They get a blue chip quarterback, they
Speaker 1: get a great corner, they get an unbelievable offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: This Oklahoma class looks to be as good as recent
Speaker 1: Sooner classes, and they didn't seem to rely like on
Speaker 1: recent years going into California as much. What is it
Speaker 1: about this Oklahoma class that stands out?
Speaker 3: You know? I think I like the fact that there
Speaker 3: is a heavy focus on the Midwest and on the Midlands.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of guys, you know, they go down
Speaker 3: into IMG. Now both of you guys are originally from
Speaker 3: southern California with Bookie Radley Hiles and TJ. Pledger, But
Speaker 3: they were at IMG and they were able to get
Speaker 3: Pledger to commit early and then hold off a lot
Speaker 3: of school's making a late charge. Bookie Radley Hiles has
Speaker 3: originally committed in Nebraska and then when that program kind
Speaker 3: of imploded under Mike Riley, he came back on the market.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma got him, They went over to Missouri, they got
Speaker 3: Ronnie Perkins from over there. They went down into Texas,
Speaker 3: they got some key guys. But really, to me, what
Speaker 3: was the most impressive part was keeping the two best
Speaker 3: players in the state of Oklahoma, offensive lineman bray Walker,
Speaker 3: who I watched him both at the US Armel American
Speaker 3: Bowl and then at the Polynesian Bowl, and he will
Speaker 3: remind Oklahoma fans this is comparisons that made a bunch,
Speaker 3: But he reminds me of Orlando Browanns, who I saw
Speaker 3: at the Central Fidelis game his senior year. Big massive guy,
Speaker 3: great walker for the six seven, three hundred and twenty pounds,
Speaker 3: moves like he's so light on his steed and he's
Speaker 3: just a monster. He's a big kid, and he's not
Speaker 3: even the biggest off at the tackle. They got in
Speaker 3: this class because they went down to Texas and got
Speaker 3: Darryl Simpson who's six seven, three hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 3: So they did a good job of recruiting that kind
Speaker 3: of that Midlands part of the country, both in Oklahoma
Speaker 3: and down to Texas, going over to Missouri to get
Speaker 3: some tey guys, and then just kind of being very
Speaker 3: selective with the players they got outside of the Midland regions,
Speaker 3: a couple of kids from Florida, a couple of kids
Speaker 3: from California, and really making that focus being kind of
Speaker 3: that middle part of the country where they really have
Speaker 3: pass of success in the years past with Missouri.
Speaker 2: Obviously in state and Oklahoma and then still grabbing key
Speaker 2: guys from the state of Texas.
Speaker 1: Is there a class in the Big twelve and the
Speaker 1: conferences in this I mean, in a compliment, it's so specific.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what you're getting with West Virginia football.
Speaker 1: You know what Texas Tech is going to look like,
Speaker 1: you know what TCU is going to be, just stylistically
Speaker 1: and the type of kids, the size and speed, the
Speaker 1: athleticism that they're able to attract. Is there a class
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve that you know might not be
Speaker 1: top fifteen or top twenty, but you look at overall
Speaker 1: what they were able to attract and in your mind
Speaker 1: you think, man, a lot of these guys are going
Speaker 1: to succeed because they made great decisions about where their
Speaker 1: talent matches up with what coach, school system, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Iowa State really good class. I think
Speaker 3: you know, this year was obviously a pretty exciting year
Speaker 3: for Iowa State fans with what Matt Campbell was able
Speaker 3: to do, with some of the wins that he was
Speaker 3: able to pull off. They kind of sneakily signed it
Speaker 3: a very good class. Got a couple of quarterbacks, one
Speaker 3: Rail Mitchell led Saint John Bosto to a state championship
Speaker 3: game his junior year, and then a senior got banged up.
Speaker 3: They came up short a speed, a guy who's a
Speaker 3: true duel threat. His mom was a former American gladiator.
Speaker 3: He's already on campus. And then they got rock Furry,
Speaker 3: who was kind of under recruited to a lappable sense
Speaker 3: up until mid December. Only offer was Northern Arizona and
Speaker 3: then Boise stayed offer. Well, he doesn't sign in in December.
Speaker 3: The next tho, rock Furry is choosing between Alabama, Texas,
Speaker 3: A and M and Iowa State, but he ended up
Speaker 3: picking Iowa State because he felt that comfort level there.
Speaker 3: So they got a couple of pretty good quarterbacks there.
Speaker 3: But you know, Matt Campbell did a good job. He
Speaker 3: went into Ohio, He's got some roots, got Joseph Skate,
Speaker 3: a four star receiver from up there. He got some
Speaker 3: good juco guys that could come in and play right away.
Speaker 3: And so Iowa State's not necessarily a school you think
Speaker 3: is going to be able to recruit nationally, but they
Speaker 3: actually did a good job of recruiting nationally. And then
Speaker 3: the one that has become everybody's favorite, punching bag for
Speaker 3: the last few years, and that's Kansas.
Speaker 2: And what the most remarkable thing about.
Speaker 3: Kansas is they went into the state of Louisiana got
Speaker 3: two four star defense all purpose back, defensive back, four
Speaker 3: star guys that had plenty of SEC offers. Not only
Speaker 3: do they get those guys to commit, they held on
Speaker 3: to them because when they committee, I think everybody was like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's cute. Kansas got their commitments. But when they really
Speaker 3: start getting recruited, then we'll see what really happened. These
Speaker 3: guys doubled down on their commitment to Kansas. Anthony Williams
Speaker 3: and Curry and Harris, both the New Orleans area.
Speaker 2: Kids, and they stuck with the Jayhawks.
Speaker 3: And so you look at their class and you look
Speaker 3: at the ranking of where they stand in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of surprising because we're not used to
Speaker 3: seeing Kansas beating up that high. But sure enough, Kansas
Speaker 3: there with the number eight class in the conference and
Speaker 3: two four stars seventeen three stars by Kansas standards. That's
Speaker 3: the kind of class that you really need to have
Speaker 3: if you want to get out of the goldens of
Speaker 3: the Big Twelve and just try to look competitive.
Speaker 4: Let's close out the Big Twelve. I want to talk
Speaker 4: about TCU. I can never seem to accurately project TCU
Speaker 4: when you look at the recruiting class. Did Gary Patterson
Speaker 4: do a good job here? I've heard from a couple
Speaker 4: people who feel like it's a sneaky good class. How
Speaker 4: does it stack up to you?
Speaker 3: It's the number three class in the Big Twelve, behind
Speaker 3: Texas and Oklahoma, and really, with the way Texas and
Speaker 3: Oklahoma recruit, finishing as the number three classes almost like
Speaker 3: finishing first when you compare it to the rest of
Speaker 3: the conference.
Speaker 2: And that's what TCU is. It's heavy on in state kids.
Speaker 3: But they went over into Louisiana, got a four star
Speaker 3: duel threat quarterback and Justin Rodgers he signed a December.
Speaker 3: He's already on the field, I'm sorry, already on campus.
Speaker 3: And then they kind of spread out a little bit
Speaker 3: and got a few more players out of Louisiana. And
Speaker 3: then they went into Mississippi, which you kind of expect
Speaker 3: because a little bit more close. But then they have
Speaker 3: a guy from really by backyard. We live on the
Speaker 3: same hill. His daughter and his sister and my daughter
Speaker 3: go to school together. Ben Wilson, a four star linebacker
Speaker 3: from Sumner, Washington who had a bunch of tacked roll
Speaker 3: boxers that went down, fell in love with what Gary
Speaker 3: Patterson does as a coach, home in love with what
Speaker 3: CAC is doing as a program. TCU doesn't really need
Speaker 3: to recruit the West Coast all that much, but that's
Speaker 3: two years in a row that TCU has gone into
Speaker 3: Washington and grabbed the kid and grabbed the Pac twelve
Speaker 3: commit So you know, Gary Patterson decides that he wants
Speaker 3: to expand kind of his recruiting at a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think that could give some problems to the Texas
Speaker 3: and Oklahoma's because he's starting to really show that longevity
Speaker 3: and he's not going or no matter how many times
Speaker 3: like Mark Few, no matter how many times he's mentioned
Speaker 3: with every other head coaching job, he just continues to
Speaker 3: plug the way down there at TCU. And I think
Speaker 3: that that success that hadn't the Big twelve in the
Speaker 3: last few years is allowing him to recruit a little
Speaker 3: bit more nationally if he so chooses.
Speaker 4: All right again, his name is Brandon Huffman. You could
Speaker 4: find him now at twenty four seven Sports. Just to
Speaker 4: round out your composite top ten here before we let
Speaker 4: you go, talked a lot about Georgia, but Ohio State, Texas,
Speaker 4: USC Penn State rounds out the top five, followed by Clemson, Alabama, Miami, Oklahoma,
Speaker 4: and Notre Dame branded Throughout the entire recruiting cycle, was
Speaker 4: there any one story, anyone recruit something that you looked
Speaker 4: at and you said, Wow, that's that's an exciting story
Speaker 4: to follow, You know, I.
Speaker 3: Would probably say it's the one thing that And it's
Speaker 3: kind of happened in the last two days. This Australian
Speaker 3: kid that Utah got a commitment. He's actually the first
Speaker 3: guy to sign on National Signing Day because it was
Speaker 3: nighttime last night in Australia was more or in the
Speaker 3: US with the morning time in Australia. A kid named
Speaker 3: Thomas Yasman. He's a childhood kind of a schoolboy rugby
Speaker 3: star in Australia, had never played football before, and Utah
Speaker 3: goes in, brings him in on an official visit and
Speaker 3: they end up signing him. The guy's never played football
Speaker 3: and now a Pac twelve school, a Power five program
Speaker 3: is bringing him in, not as a specialist, not as
Speaker 3: a kicker, or a punter, but to be an outside
Speaker 3: linebacker slash defensive end. And so you kind of had
Speaker 3: some boring storylines. And then boom, Utah goes and hires
Speaker 3: one of the Signs, one of the best young rugby
Speaker 3: players in the world who'd never played football. And now
Speaker 3: you just know how it works in Utah. This is yeah,
Speaker 3: being like or four year starter and end up being
Speaker 3: an NFL draftic. It's all gonna be because Kyle Willingham
Speaker 3: is smart enough to know, Hey, let's go down to
Speaker 3: Australia and find some of these rugby players.
Speaker 4: Incredible all right again, his name Brandon Huffman. Find them
Speaker 4: over at twenty four to seven brand that. I know
Speaker 4: it's been a long day for you, but as always,
Speaker 4: a tremendous job just imbibing all this knowledge. I don't
Speaker 4: know how you do it and reciting it to us
Speaker 4: in a way that makes sense. So thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks guys, thanks for having me, and we'll do
Speaker 3: it again next year for sure, all.
Speaker 4: Right, Dan, So thanks again to Brandon Huffman m HM
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Speaker 1: Just you know, closing out signing day. Good signing days
Speaker 1: as sort of opposed two years past with you know,
Speaker 1: what's the difference to you in terms of how today
Speaker 1: has gone with the early signing period in mid December. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit less hectic. I think in general, our
Speaker 1: audience on Inspianation I always think about it is a
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Speaker 1: get your ten thousand foot view of things. So a
Speaker 1: lot of I think our fans, some of them probably
Speaker 1: didn't know there was an early signing period, but in
Speaker 1: the future years, I think they probably will. It's been
Speaker 1: an interesting day, a little bit less hectic than previous
Speaker 1: signing days. But the early signing period also creates this
Speaker 1: dynamic where you know, instead of being at like an
Speaker 1: eleven on National Signing Day, you're kind of at like
Speaker 1: an eight for six weeks, you know, starting write poor
Speaker 1: Christmas with the early period and then rolling up into this.
Speaker 1: And it's also shifted the recruiting calendar. You know, I've
Speaker 1: had to look at twenty nineteens and twenty twenties earlier
Speaker 1: than I normally think I will, right fair, So diving
Speaker 1: into twenty eighteen, which is now old. Is there a
Speaker 1: story beyond Georgia's class is filthy and borderline unprecedented. I
Speaker 1: think the main takeaways are, like you said, George's class,
Speaker 1: and when I say filthy, I mean that in a
Speaker 1: good way. Just to be clear, I mean Georgia signed
Speaker 1: I think they signed more five stars in the rest
Speaker 1: of the SEC put together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had seven, seven five stars. They doubled the
Speaker 4: s the SEC. The rest SC had three total.
Speaker 1: Georgia had seven total just today are yeah, Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're literally talking about this Georgia class on
Speaker 1: paper as one of the best classes of all time,
Speaker 1: you know, with with some of those USC and saying
Speaker 1: classes with one of those Urban Meyer classes. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it was the year they signed Serie Floyd
Speaker 1: and those guys. They just did a tremendous job. The
Speaker 1: other thing I think is the to borrow like a
Speaker 1: Fantasy baseball term here sort of the Stars and Scrubs element.
Speaker 1: In talking to coaches, what you hear is, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of our best targets are still out there
Speaker 1: after the early signing period, but there's not that like
Speaker 1: just you know, high quality player, we can go get
Speaker 1: the drop off like so many of these, like let's
Speaker 1: just call them good players they signed early. You know,
Speaker 1: look at a Minnesota or a Toledo or a suttern
Speaker 1: miss or a TCU. They signed a lot of kids
Speaker 1: that I feel like a lot of programs really wanted
Speaker 1: to wait right and just hey man, look we don't
Speaker 1: overgra space for you. But like so you know in
Speaker 1: talking like three star with four star flashes, yeah, exactly it.
Speaker 1: Plan a's were still there, but like there weren't enough
Speaker 1: Plan b's and Plan c's and Plan d's. A lot
Speaker 1: of this is like Plan A and Plan F. It
Speaker 1: really is kind of the Stars and Scrubs approach. You know,
Speaker 1: the pay in seventy five bucks for Mike trout of
Speaker 1: auction and fill out the rest of your your auster
Speaker 1: with one dollar players. That's been a big time difference,
Speaker 1: and I think we are seeing and as recruiting media,
Speaker 1: we have to be watched this, like the profiles of
Speaker 1: these kids being elevated because they didn't sign right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no question on these three stars are getting more
Speaker 1: attention than otherwise would. Okay, so let's talk about Georgia,
Speaker 1: because Georgia has a class that if we're going to
Speaker 1: be specific, and it's very hard to be specific with
Speaker 1: so much talent, this looks to be the best offensive
Speaker 1: line class in the country, especially inside. They've got a
Speaker 1: pair of guards I believe who are outstanding. They may
Speaker 1: have the best quarterback in the country. They may have
Speaker 1: what the best running back in the country. They may
Speaker 1: have the best outside linebacker in the country. Where is
Speaker 1: this class particularly strong? Who are the names that people
Speaker 1: listening to the show, even if they're not a Georgia fan,
Speaker 1: will know sooner rather than later. Okay, justin Fields, who
Speaker 1: I've compared to a taller, bigger Russell Wilson in terms
Speaker 1: of playing style and ability. He's also a baseball guy,
Speaker 1: so I think the comp fits, sir. In terms of style.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's quite as talented. He may be
Speaker 1: more talented physically, but Russell Wilson's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Zamir White was by far the best running back in
Speaker 1: the country this year. He towards ACL late in the season,
Speaker 1: but when he was healthy, he was like the no
Speaker 1: doubt guy at running back. Cad Mays is an elite
Speaker 1: level office a tackle And it should be said, by
Speaker 1: the way, if I can jump in, we're talking about
Speaker 1: two excellent running backs gone from Georgia. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: is a wide open backfield.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: I mean they've recruited in the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: but there's gonna be big competition. If Zamir White is healthy,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to keep him off the field, right,
Speaker 1: He's going to get carries. They signed Dalvin Cook's little brother,
Speaker 1: James Cook, as more of an all purpose type back.
Speaker 1: Good hands catch the ball to the backfield. Their combination
Speaker 1: of guards in Trey Hill and Jamari Sailor is probably
Speaker 1: the best pair of guards I've ever seen a team sign.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: They got Newt Wilson out of Miami, who was a
Speaker 1: pretty nice like dB signing. Brenton Cox is an elite
Speaker 1: level defensive end. Tyson Campbell is the most athletic corner
Speaker 1: in the country, and he's also six'. Three Adam anderson
Speaker 1: is a freakish outside linebacker at A, Rome. Georgia just awesome.
Speaker 1: PLAYER i really Like Channing, tendall a guy who is
Speaker 1: rated outside the national top, hundred WHICH i think is.
Speaker 1: NUTS i Mean i've seen him a couple of times in.
Speaker 1: PERSON i like him a. Lot their tight End Luke
Speaker 1: ford is a baller AND i love his competitive. SPIRIT
Speaker 1: i mean he just. Goes he CAN i cuss on, here,
Speaker 1: yeah go for. It he just talks. Shit it gets
Speaker 1: up in everybody's, face immediately love it and backs it up.
Speaker 1: Great they Flipped Quay, walker another outside line linebacker From.
Speaker 1: Alabama Nadad joseph is a really, nice like developmental long
Speaker 1: corner they got out Of. Miami Norland Azizo jaalai is
Speaker 1: a really like nice, long developmental defensive end who can
Speaker 1: give him a pass. Rush Tommy bush is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite receivers in the. CLASS i feel like you
Speaker 1: have your guys that you kind of, Like, HEY i
Speaker 1: see this, kid and he doesn't have big time offers
Speaker 1: yet or not rated highly. Yet i've been tweeting about
Speaker 1: him for over a. Year ever SINCE i saw him
Speaker 1: back at The nike camp In houston on a cold
Speaker 1: day on The Super bowl last. Year THAT i can't.
Speaker 1: Beat he stood out, There. Ty you can't, see But
Speaker 1: bud is. Sweating he is getting. Charge it's. Tired you
Speaker 1: want to know About you want to know About Justin? Fields, though,
Speaker 1: right we talked about him.
Speaker 4: BEFORE i, Mean i've brought this up on the show
Speaker 4: a bunch of. Times but from is. There he just
Speaker 4: made it as a true freshman into The National. Championship
Speaker 4: why Did Justin fields go To?
Speaker 1: GEORGIA i Think Justin fields thinks it's going to beat him.
Speaker 1: Out it's incredible AND i love. It and, look there's
Speaker 1: no Doubt fields is more talented Than Jake, from better,
Speaker 1: arm better, athlete and from is really good college football.
Speaker 1: Player for, Sure georgia is essentially guaranteed to have like
Speaker 1: super elite level quarterback in for the next three or four.
Speaker 4: Years it's an embarrassment of. Riches it's not a bad really,
Speaker 4: have but it seems to me like your true freshman
Speaker 4: who just got you to The National championship game might
Speaker 4: be the odds on starter not only this coming season
Speaker 4: but for the foreseeable. FUTURE i don't.
Speaker 1: Know that's just, me all, right two words to a Tongue. Ailoa,
Speaker 1: okay because Literally Jalen hurts Took bama to the title
Speaker 1: game last year and or two years ago as a true.
Speaker 1: Freshman as a true freshman scores what would have been
Speaker 1: the winning touchdown Had Deshaun watson not let his team
Speaker 1: down the field And tua wasn't. Scared, yeah and there's
Speaker 1: a good Chance georgia five thousand mills went from home
Speaker 1: and signed up for. It at Least justin's sister plays
Speaker 1: softball At, georgia and it's right close to his home
Speaker 1: there In. Atlanta and there's a good chance That georgia
Speaker 1: will put up a lot of points on teams and
Speaker 1: backups will come in And Justin fields will get time
Speaker 1: to prove himself in action even if he's not. Starting
Speaker 1: let's go through some other classes near the. Top tie is.
Speaker 1: There you don't spend thirty minutes On. GEORGIA i just
Speaker 1: don't think we have the. Time we only have the
Speaker 1: studio for a little bit ty elsewhere in THE. Sec
Speaker 1: what fascinates. You we've got just an outstanding resource and butt. Here,
Speaker 1: YEAH i, Mean i'm always interested in how new coaches.
Speaker 1: Fare and we've seen a fair amount of turnover in
Speaker 1: THE sec places Like, florida not just this, year but
Speaker 1: in the last couple of. Years, Right So, florida there's
Speaker 1: been recent turnover AT. LSU i know there was some
Speaker 1: disappointment there with their recruiting. Class But TEXAS a AND.
Speaker 4: M And Jimbo sure a guy you know really, Well Bud,
Speaker 4: Tennessee Mississippi, state oll Miss. Arkansas the list goes on
Speaker 4: and on of the new coaches that came into THE.
Speaker 4: Sec were there any that impressed you or let you
Speaker 4: down at least through one recruiting.
Speaker 1: Cycle let me start by saying, this the early signing
Speaker 1: period crushed every single new. Staff, yeah by, far like
Speaker 1: makes every single. One every one of these teams is
Speaker 1: below they're LIKE i would say previous four year. Average nobody. Improved,
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean they. HAD i, Mean i'm just in
Speaker 1: speaking About. OREGON i Think Mario christobal was made official
Speaker 1: like three days. Before it's it's tough and at least
Speaker 1: that you, know that's a higher that offre continuity because
Speaker 1: he was already on the. STAFF i, mean these guys
Speaker 1: who come in that didn't have any existing. Relationships they
Speaker 1: were scrambling and early. SIGNING i mean some of these
Speaker 1: guys were having to sign kids like fifteen days after
Speaker 1: they got. Hired Jeremy pruit got hired what Like december, tenth,
Speaker 1: issue it was pretty late in the.
Speaker 3: Cycle you.
Speaker 1: Know jimo did a real good job AT a and m.
Speaker 1: CLOSING i think they're going to make a lot of,
Speaker 1: noise especially in The houston. Area in twenty, Nineteen Dan,
Speaker 1: MILLAN i feel like got some difference makers on offense
Speaker 1: with with quarterback Hen Mary jones and Receiver Jacob. Copeland,
Speaker 1: obviously they were disappointed to not Flip nessa severa From
Speaker 1: miami and not Get tete freyre with the five star
Speaker 1: tackle who went To Ohio. State but they also have
Speaker 1: two really talented transfers coming in at receiver who could
Speaker 1: make a big time difference for The. Gator SO i
Speaker 1: know the fans are really disappointed, today BUT i don't
Speaker 1: think that class is as big of a disappointment as
Speaker 1: as Some ofator fans. Thinking and the real KEY i
Speaker 1: think if you are a new coach is you have
Speaker 1: to strike a balance between meeting your numerical needs so
Speaker 1: that you don't get in a situation where your death
Speaker 1: is totally, screwed and also going after enough talented players
Speaker 1: to where you can't just take a bunch of. Filler
Speaker 1: that balance is not easy to. Achieve you as a,
Speaker 1: Coach i've got to get in here and, Say, okay
Speaker 1: we're pretty good at this, spot this, spot this butt
Speaker 1: in this. Spot so we're only going to take like
Speaker 1: our level of player at these positions and in this,
Speaker 1: spot this, pot in this. Spot, man our depth is not,
Speaker 1: good and we have got to just make sure we
Speaker 1: take a body who if we had to put on a,
Speaker 1: field he wouldn't be a total, disaster regardless of how
Speaker 1: far down we have to go on our. Board pretty much,
Speaker 1: SO i think most of the teams did a good
Speaker 1: job with. That tennessee had a disappointing, day but, again
Speaker 1: that's a really hard. Situation ole miss is coming off
Speaker 1: a really difficult situation as. Well Mississippi state kind of
Speaker 1: recruited on part or where they normally. DO i, mean you,
Speaker 1: know six four, stars twenty three, kids that's not too.
Speaker 1: Bad jimbo did the best job as far as closing
Speaker 1: things out. TODAY i Think mullen did a pretty good
Speaker 1: job from the time he was hired fair enough and
Speaker 1: let's go to the leg as literal elephant in the.
Speaker 1: Room alabama wins The National. Championship they lose both, Coordinators
Speaker 1: Brian able to THE, Nfl Jeremy pruitz To. Tennessee there's
Speaker 1: more attrition year over Yere they're losing two to three
Speaker 1: coaches and they still managed to recruit at least this
Speaker 1: year on a top ten. Level usually it's a top three.
Speaker 1: Level is what is what stands? OUT i guess About
Speaker 1: alabama's class this? Year what impressed you beyond the fact, that, like,
Speaker 1: oh they have a ton of talented. Kids what direction
Speaker 1: did they?
Speaker 3: Go the?
Speaker 1: Parentheses, yeah they only took nineteen. Kids, yeah so on
Speaker 1: like a per player, AVERAGE i think they're probably second
Speaker 1: or third in the nation In George george is gonna Be,
Speaker 1: Yeah they're they're they're. Averages it's sort of A stanford,
Speaker 1: class smaller but a high. Average. Exactly you mentioned it
Speaker 1: that the coaching turnover in back to back YEARS i
Speaker 1: think really Hurt alabama because you had a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys come in off last. Years they lost a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of coaches off that runner up, team
Speaker 1: and they Lost lane and they, lost uh who was
Speaker 1: THE dc? There, well they Lost, LANE i mean had
Speaker 1: been and they lost somebody else to Although Mario cristobaul
Speaker 1: right To, Oregon Billy napier To Arizona. States they you,
Speaker 1: know obviously this Year Brian, dable like there is year over,
Speaker 1: year they thought they were going to Promote sark to offensive.
Speaker 1: Coordinator that like their, connections guys familiar With tuscaloosa and
Speaker 1: their recruiting cycle. Gone the back to back coaches leading
Speaker 1: Like pruitt carried that recruiting class a lot this year
Speaker 1: and then he takes. OFF i think that that Hurt alabama.
Speaker 1: Some and these kids didn't know The obama coaches like
Speaker 1: they normally. Would And nick's a tremendous, recruiter but it's
Speaker 1: hard for head coach to have personal relationships with, like you,
Speaker 1: know sixty top, targets, right and SO i think the
Speaker 1: turnover there hurt. Them that they really got some good
Speaker 1: players though in this. CLASS i mean a nomah of
Speaker 1: the defensive end out Of, baltimore out Of Saint Francis.
Speaker 1: IS i mean, legit if we didn't have the crazy
Speaker 1: quarterbacks this, year he would be a legitimate argument for
Speaker 1: the number one player in the.
Speaker 4: Nation.
Speaker 1: Wow patrick Chan, junior a lot of people think is
Speaker 1: the best corner out Of South florida since a guy
Speaker 1: Named Patrick. Johnson and if l fans AND lsu fans
Speaker 1: might know him As Patrick, peterson, yeah before he changed
Speaker 1: his name. Obviously Stefan wynn is a kid WHO i
Speaker 1: think is going to step in and immediately Be he's
Speaker 1: just that, classic like not super, long but six' four
Speaker 1: Three bills bama five tech defensive end and, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh man we just we can't block. That guy they
Speaker 1: just kind of plug. Him in he's that, you know
Speaker 1: will COACH, At img he'll. Play early and the secret
Speaker 1: sort of Thing about alabama specifically is they pull in
Speaker 1: these blue chip. Defensive backs they don't have to play.
Speaker 1: Right away they get time to sort of season in
Speaker 1: the system with let's, be clear probably the best defensive
Speaker 1: backs coach in the Country And. Nick saban so it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where they have time to learn
Speaker 1: and to grow and they're not counted on. Right away
Speaker 1: and when they are in when they do need to get,
Speaker 1: into games whether it's as a nickelback, or whatever. They're ready.
Speaker 1: They're twenty they're twenty, one ridiculous and the kids they
Speaker 1: did get ARE really i will say that that. Is
Speaker 1: true they also like the kids they got. Are polished
Speaker 1: you're getting pats or. TANS kid i mean that dude
Speaker 1: was what a Three Time all pro and has been.
Speaker 1: DRILLED forever i think that's what makes a, special prospect
Speaker 1: that he is that polished and he is. THAT big
Speaker 1: i mean he's six one and a half two hundred
Speaker 1: and an elite. Level athlete josh job a kid they
Speaker 1: Flipped from miami like a, month ago kind of the.
Speaker 1: Same way just, you, know, big polished ready. To GO
Speaker 1: and i got some good developmental guys. As WELL but
Speaker 1: i feel like this Is a it's a strong class.
Speaker 1: For them it's not on par with they, normally sign
Speaker 1: but a lot of that is due to. The, size
Speaker 1: sure they didn't take them. Any kids nineteen is.
Speaker 4: Not many another team that we'd be remiss if we
Speaker 4: didn't talk about, their, Story. Obviously clemson clemson's been very
Speaker 4: much on the rise over the last couple. Of years,
Speaker 4: for sure won the national championship year ago in the
Speaker 4: playoffs again. THIS year I believe i saw bud that
Speaker 4: they got the top player from was it six or.
Speaker 4: Seven states this was quite a Class, for clebs and
Speaker 4: it does not appear as if it is slowing down
Speaker 4: anytime Soon, For, dabosweeney no.
Speaker 1: CERTAINLY not I Mean, trevor lawrence the number one quarterback in.
Speaker 1: THE country, i mean depend on who, you Ask but
Speaker 1: i'm A big lawrence. Fan too Out. Of Georgia, xavier
Speaker 1: THOMAS who i guess technically is the top Player, in
Speaker 1: florida although He's A south carolina kid who PLAYED, at
Speaker 1: img so, to me he's kind of like the top
Speaker 1: Player In. South carolina but still we'll give it. To Him,
Speaker 1: kJ henry who was an elite level Player At, north
Speaker 1: carolina big time defense vent who's probably gonna. Play early
Speaker 1: number one Player In Ohio. Jackson Carmen ohio state wasn't
Speaker 1: too happy about. Losing him that was the early. Signing,
Speaker 1: period yeah You Know, darien kendrick who's a really special playmaker.
Speaker 1: At receiver they also got a Kid Named, justin ross
Speaker 1: the number one Player in, alabama Arguably who i'm really
Speaker 1: high on, six'. Four two hundred he's, a basketball guy
Speaker 1: hadn't played a whole, lot of football but the catches
Speaker 1: he makes on his highlight tape just show a natural
Speaker 1: ability to body control and the ability to pluck the ball.
Speaker 1: With his hands if you can teach that guy in the,
Speaker 1: run some routes then that's going to. Be really scary
Speaker 1: and they just did. A great job they're just kind
Speaker 1: of there are a, lot on numbers but that'll happen,
Speaker 1: when you convinced like several first round picks to return
Speaker 1: to school instead.
Speaker 4: Of going pro when you LOOK, across THE acc and
Speaker 4: i want To Talk about florida state here, in A
Speaker 4: second because i know they're of particular, Interest to you
Speaker 4: but when you LOOK, Across, the, Acc bud obviously clemson
Speaker 4: has been the cream of the crop now for a couple.
Speaker 4: Of years running just relative to the other SCHOOLS, in
Speaker 4: the acc how do you compare the depth That clemsonto
Speaker 4: A Miami. OF florida state i.
Speaker 1: Think that if clemson had had those, guys go pro
Speaker 1: then the rosters would be pretty. Similar talent, Wise, You,
Speaker 1: Know Clemson miami florida state roughly that They didn't That
Speaker 1: wilkins And bryant And Farrell and mitch hyatt on, the
Speaker 1: off highline but they. ALL come back i Do think
Speaker 1: that clemson's roster for twenty eighteen is a step above
Speaker 1: everybody else. In the league having that much talent and
Speaker 1: experience combined is. A big advantage as far as that
Speaker 1: their recruiting class against the rest of the, LEAGUE this
Speaker 1: year i think at the top end it's, really really
Speaker 1: strong and if they can build on that, next year
Speaker 1: too then they're going to be set up to be
Speaker 1: like A favorite of cora in the league for. A
Speaker 1: long time MIAMI is Steadily I think willie tagert probably
Speaker 1: did the best job out of any first year coach
Speaker 1: as far as salvaging what they had because they were
Speaker 1: in The Sixties with jima fisher left and then sort
Speaker 1: of that like high to. MID level range I Like
Speaker 1: what nc. State's doing it that's a staff with the
Speaker 1: number of young interject cruiter to identifying guys early. Getting
Speaker 1: Them on justin foente is doing. A nice Job vigen
Speaker 1: tech u and c had a very strong bounce back
Speaker 1: class after kind of a horrible year. On the Field
Speaker 1: they signed Barnes out of florida who was a four.
Speaker 1: OR five star i forgot what his. Final ranking was.
Speaker 1: Big time off it's a tackle that they took his.
Speaker 1: TEAMMATE as well i believe so that the top half
Speaker 1: OF the a sec has done done. A good job
Speaker 1: the bottom half they're just not winning BATTLES against. Their
Speaker 1: sec counterparts just, on that topic there are schools that
Speaker 1: are really good at identifying not, high level talent but
Speaker 1: talent that, fits really well that looks like they will.
Speaker 1: Develop into something is there anybody in the bottom HALF
Speaker 1: of the acc or is that what they need? To
Speaker 1: do better they need to be. MORE self Aware I
Speaker 1: think wake forrest is a really good job of that
Speaker 1: in a year, in year basis and then we call
Speaker 1: it the sweet. Spot right right if you, aim too
Speaker 1: low you won't have enough talent. On your roster if
Speaker 1: you aim too, high and miss then what's? Your backup
Speaker 1: plan the drop off there is. PROBABLY too significant i
Speaker 1: think that was something that will Must Champ at south
Speaker 1: carolina not to go BACK, to THE sec but i
Speaker 1: think year one they aimed a little. Bit, Too high okay,
Speaker 1: IN recent years i Feel Like like south carolina has
Speaker 1: done a really good job finding. Your, sweet spot hey
Speaker 1: we want to get in on a couple, high level
Speaker 1: kids and at the same time we realize we're not
Speaker 1: going to sign a billion high level Kids Because, it's
Speaker 1: south carolina so we need to find other kids who can.
Speaker 1: FIT our program i think SOME of, THE see teams
Speaker 1: i don't say they, aim too low but they're just
Speaker 1: not bringing in enough elite talent to really. Make a
Speaker 1: difference that that's where. The depth is that the teams
Speaker 1: at the TOP of the acc are just as talented
Speaker 1: as the teams in the Top Of. The inner league some, of,
Speaker 1: these teams though are not bringing in enough four and
Speaker 1: five starter Guys or any, in, SOME cases sure i
Speaker 1: will give, you, A name though i want to see if.
Speaker 1: This guy signed i'm not sure how, to pronounce this
Speaker 1: but this kid's. Film is Ridiculous, He's. From italy okay
Speaker 1: he Played Ball, at clearwater academy which is about an
Speaker 1: hour and a half. From My House clear Wire International.
Speaker 1: Habout kook, baldonado oh. GOD oh yeah i know about
Speaker 1: THIS case because i think He looked at oregon. A
Speaker 1: little bit i was sort of catching up with. All
Speaker 1: recruiting stuff he's a he's very, slim for, RIGHT yeah
Speaker 1: yeah i mean they got him listed, at six.' five
Speaker 1: two thirty i don't know if, he's actually two thirty
Speaker 1: but That's a guy that pitt did a great job
Speaker 1: getting in on and it would not surprise me if
Speaker 1: he is like an early round draft pick in. A,
Speaker 1: couple of, Years, Interesting All.
Speaker 4: Right bud florida. State Laid on us, Willy Taggert, Comes
Speaker 4: in jimbo fisher we've talked about. It on the program,
Speaker 4: maybe overplayed his Hand ENDS up AT. Texas A and
Speaker 4: m florida. State goes Out There they bring willie Taggert.
Speaker 4: Home back to florida how did he do in his
Speaker 4: first half psychic quarters cycle whatever you, want to call
Speaker 4: It Recruiting?
Speaker 1: Cycle at, florida state you know as Far As like by,
Speaker 1: florida state's normal standards it's it doesn't measure up because
Speaker 1: they're almost always like a top five team if you
Speaker 1: measure him against everybody else who's a new head coach
Speaker 1: with with the new, EARLY signing period dynamic i think
Speaker 1: they had probably far and away the best best job
Speaker 1: done considering how far. They had to go, NOW they
Speaker 1: killed receiver i Mean Just they got Treyshon. Harrison out
Speaker 1: Of Seattle, they got Jordan Young, they got Warren Thompson,
Speaker 1: they got keyshon Heldon They. Got to marcus adams they're
Speaker 1: switching to a spread or, more of a spread. You
Speaker 1: know type thing. They needed a receiver they went out
Speaker 1: and they just signed a bunch, of studs at receiver like.
Speaker 1: That's a huge win they kept a lot of really
Speaker 1: important pieces in the class Who were, waivering once, jimbo
Speaker 1: Left You, know linebacker Mary Gaynor, DEFENSIVE Tackle Robert Cooper.
Speaker 1: dB santae, SAMUEL jr and god i feel PRETTY old
Speaker 1: SAYING that i don't i don't know. If you guys.
Speaker 3: Do.
Speaker 1: Oh my god yes And then They, got jayden would
Speaker 1: be who was one of the Top Players. On the
Speaker 1: west coast, THE kid literally Tweeted I wonder why florida
Speaker 1: state was too dumb, not to offer me and. Immediately
Speaker 1: got an off you GOT a five, star dB out, there,
Speaker 1: and they're like wait what the previous staff? Didn't offer
Speaker 1: this kid and literally the dude had Been Tweeting pictures
Speaker 1: Of Durwin james and jalen ramsey like all year and say.
Speaker 1: These are my idols, and FSU's old staff like I,
Speaker 1: told my reader tomahawk they weren't doing anything for. A,
Speaker 1: couple of months wow they really were just, asleep at
Speaker 1: the wheel which is how you end. Up in the
Speaker 1: Sixties In recruiting at florida state obviously because probably. Should
Speaker 1: never Be There and now florida state two of their
Speaker 1: most talented players in this Class Are. From The, West,
Speaker 1: coast west coast Yeah in that small now these kids
Speaker 1: Are Tweeting like, hashtag WEST coast knowles and i don't
Speaker 1: think that's going. To last long term but it'd be
Speaker 1: an idiot not to use their relationships you built over
Speaker 1: the last. Year if you're taggered so he did a.
Speaker 1: Good job with that they. Didn't get A Quarterback jimbo.
Speaker 1: Got james FOSTER today that was i think A Surprise
Speaker 1: to both FLORIDA state and to lsu, at least you know.
Speaker 1: OVER the past week i think last night they had
Speaker 1: a decent idea that he. Might not be coming but it's.
Speaker 1: A PRETTY deep class but i feel like they didn't.
Speaker 1: Reach too much either. They took twenty one there were
Speaker 1: a couple of KIDS on the board i know they
Speaker 1: could have extended offers to and they elected. TO pocket
Speaker 1: those scholarship i think next year they want to take
Speaker 1: like a twenty six or. Twenty seven man class so
Speaker 1: one of the things that you know has been very
Speaker 1: apparent in talking About these Top Classes, alabama NOW florida state,
Speaker 1: great dB class overall it seems like nationally and another
Speaker 1: school that did really well with defensive backs is. In
Speaker 1: that same conference miami did really well with defensive backs,
Speaker 1: and aside from that in terms of offensive, skill with,
Speaker 1: running back. WIDE receiver tight end i know they bring in.
Speaker 1: A Blue Chip quarterback It's. Jaron williams or williams this
Speaker 1: is a class that even as of, a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago people were saying this could, be, a top one
Speaker 1: two three class and ultimately didn't finish. Probably one or
Speaker 1: two but this is an Incredibly impressive Haul, from mark
Speaker 1: rex All his best class. Miami's, HAD in years okay i.
Speaker 1: MEAN it Really Is i like. Lorenzo lingard a lot
Speaker 1: now he's six, foot of buck ninety. But he runs
Speaker 1: track once he knocks, that track stuff off he's probably. Gonna,
Speaker 1: Be two ten now i'm not saying He's as talented,
Speaker 1: AS darren McFadden stylistically i would. Comp him to that he's,
Speaker 1: really a violent. SLASHER good Burst Downfield i like. Jared
Speaker 1: williams a lot that's A Great get from. Mark Rick
Speaker 1: to quarterback delane scaife is a big time Guard who They,
Speaker 1: signed brian high tower REALLY nice PLAYER at img who
Speaker 1: i think compliments the other. Receivers, in his, class well
Speaker 1: you know they got some Size With. Him and dak
Speaker 1: wiggins They Got tied end Breben Jordan Out, Of bishop
Speaker 1: gorman nestville severa was the best. Et in the. State
Speaker 1: they got him now THEY Did. With, on d lineman
Speaker 1: overall that's the second year in a row they've they've
Speaker 1: had some issues at that And this coming year miami
Speaker 1: has got to GET To get on d lineman and
Speaker 1: they got a lot of, playing time to offer and they,
Speaker 1: did this Year too so maybe i'll have to change
Speaker 1: up their. APPROACH some with That I. LOVE receiver mark pope.
Speaker 1: I mean this guy if, you haven't seen This go.
Speaker 1: On our Facebook Page. Check out mark Pope they call
Speaker 1: him noodles and he just. He Just Destroys people al
Speaker 1: Blades junior. Obviously A. Miami legacy nice dB, some people
Speaker 1: were like? Is he a corner?
Speaker 3: IS he a.
Speaker 1: Safety i don't care that makes place now who'll figure
Speaker 1: out a? Hybrid position for me it's. A really nice
Speaker 1: class i think they hit their needs at REALLY every,
Speaker 1: spot the d line and they hit. Their needs with
Speaker 1: talent and it doesn't matter what position you play, in
Speaker 1: the defensive backfield because they All Just pick off notre,
Speaker 1: dame quarterbacks right exact, that's what they. Do discriminate, TIE
Speaker 1: transition go oh i forgot.
Speaker 4: A perfect setup. To my, Next. QUESTION thank you daniel
Speaker 4: i was Going To ask about Notre dame so filed
Speaker 4: yourkovic is the name that we have discussed ON this
Speaker 4: podcast for i don't know a couple months, now Here
Speaker 4: And there, but notre dame's class by all accounts. A
Speaker 4: top ten class. Depends where you look, maybe it's number ten,
Speaker 4: Maybe IT'S number, eight but i think all in all.
Speaker 4: A pretty good class seems to me like it's. Built
Speaker 4: around the essentials, They strengthened their line they've got a
Speaker 4: lot of, defensive players in there both at the second
Speaker 4: level with wine up good, linebacker class tie yeah and
Speaker 4: at the third level back. In the defensive backfield When
Speaker 4: You look, at notre dames class what? Stands? OUT to You.
Speaker 1: Well i like houston griffith A lot. The, dB nfl
Speaker 1: legacy obviously i've seen him QUITE. A bit at IMG
Speaker 1: another guy who i think is the vers tility to.
Speaker 1: PLAY Corner or safety i roll. AN extremely smart kid
Speaker 1: i mean you can move him around and he can
Speaker 1: be a big. TIME asset Your Defense, i like jack.
Speaker 1: Lamb he's A Hitter i've seen george taxis a lot
Speaker 1: the tight end y'all sign because he lives about thirty
Speaker 1: minutes From, Me. Down in naples florida he's, A. GUY
Speaker 1: frame wise tye i think is going to be a tremendous.
Speaker 1: Asset as. A blocker good hands i mean he's not
Speaker 1: the most athletic, kid in the world but if he's
Speaker 1: six seven to two forty, NOW as he's listed i
Speaker 1: think he can be two seventy wow and, be a
Speaker 1: really nice. Nice blocker for y'all that's a big time avenge.
Speaker 1: In The Run game love kevin. AUSTIN as a receiver
Speaker 1: i feel like He Was very. UNDERRATED michigan state legacy
Speaker 1: i believe tough guy sixty three two. HUNDRED dish big
Speaker 1: time i. REALLY like Like Him, i like shane simon the,
Speaker 1: Another Linebacker. Y'ALL sign lawrence keys i think it's kind
Speaker 1: of a. Specialty, kid you got yeah THEY picked him
Speaker 1: up i think today or last.
Speaker 2: Year.
Speaker 1: That, was today yeah, yeah he's super fast like hands,
Speaker 1: made need some work but he. Really he can scoot and,
Speaker 1: then there's a kid probably one of the lowest rated
Speaker 1: kids In your class who i've just seen him make play,
Speaker 1: after Play After Play. Man joe wilkins junior they went
Speaker 1: and got Him Out Out Of. North north fort myers
Speaker 1: that that. That DUDE'S a player and i feel like
Speaker 1: some kids from that Area and from the houston area
Speaker 1: this year were underrated. Because of the hurricanes so you
Speaker 1: had a lot of a lot of games that were
Speaker 1: canceled so people didn't. Get to see him, sure you
Speaker 1: had games you Had games, moved to tuesday nights and
Speaker 1: so like some of these kids Were playing Games. On,
Speaker 1: tuesday and friday interesting so they really. It limited The exposure,
Speaker 1: like where wilkins lives they didn't have power for like
Speaker 1: fourteen days and it. Kind of disrupted Stuff So nice
Speaker 1: job notre dame going down. THERE to get him i
Speaker 1: Also Like the Safety. PAUL maloe, at indianapolis i mean
Speaker 1: he's rated nine and twenty. Eight In the nation that's
Speaker 1: i'm not gonna tell you he's like. A TOP hundred kid,
Speaker 1: that's i don't know a. Couple hundred spots low if
Speaker 1: you like that. Sticks, out to me oh And Then,
Speaker 1: they GOT noah Boykin who I knew florida in virginia
Speaker 1: were really hoping to get a, corner, that was today
Speaker 1: right that. Was a late signee Let's, stay in the
Speaker 1: midwest which IS not a phrase i like to say,
Speaker 1: All that often personally. But Here we are ohio state.
Speaker 1: Has an amazing class this is something. We Say every year,
Speaker 1: urban meyer amasses talent did a lot, of this early
Speaker 1: on but he LANDED the number one i believe offensive.
Speaker 1: Tackle IN the country and i still think they ended, up,
Speaker 1: WITH a quarterback right I think He's From texas after
Speaker 1: emery jones ended Up. Not going to columbus but this
Speaker 1: is it looks to be a great defensive Line Class.
Speaker 1: Defense overall ohio state it's just it's a. MACHINE at,
Speaker 1: this point i, mean is there like are there three
Speaker 1: players that stand out from this class or is it
Speaker 1: just like A top, to bottom. They're ridiculous All right
Speaker 1: nicholas tite frere to moorn offensive tackle in the? Nation
Speaker 1: who you? MENTIONED what separates him i think just athleticism
Speaker 1: and size and, yet, he's so raw okay like he's
Speaker 1: going to be so much better. Than he already is
Speaker 1: but he's a legit like he's like a skinny two eighty,
Speaker 1: Five at six six he's got a lot. Of room
Speaker 1: to Grow He's, built like tyron smith the guy that
Speaker 1: plays Left. Tackle FOR the cowboys WAS i like the
Speaker 1: d tackles they signed in a year that IS not a. Good,
Speaker 1: D tackle year okay so like position scarcity, is a
Speaker 1: real thing and not every year has the same amount
Speaker 1: of good players at. Exactly every single position some years
Speaker 1: are good years for one position and in the. Following
Speaker 1: year is not this WAS not a. GOOD d tackle
Speaker 1: year i don't actually think there was a true five. Stard,
Speaker 1: Tackle this, year wow, We've Seen you Know Christian wilkins
Speaker 1: And Dexter lawrence and rashaun gary and guys like. THAT
Speaker 1: in previous years i didn't see anybody. Like that this
Speaker 1: year SO if, you needed d tackles the number of
Speaker 1: really good. Ones was very small they went out inside
Speaker 1: the best. Two In The, country damn tarn vincent who
Speaker 1: is the son the giant like gigantic, son by The
Speaker 1: Way A former, All Pro nfl corner troy Vincent sure
Speaker 1: for the eagles about one hundred pounds. Bigger than the
Speaker 1: dad and then they also got The kid OUT of idaho's.
Speaker 2: Name.
Speaker 1: I can't pronounce, tommy ALWAYS watched this But. I. THINK
Speaker 1: it's toji yeah i like a couple kids in their
Speaker 1: class who are sort, of down ballot. KIDS if you Will,
Speaker 1: i think seven banks who is the Little Brother Of
Speaker 1: remember Marcel harris simon the gators kind of blew up
Speaker 1: his knee and never. Really had The career but seven
Speaker 1: banks is, a really smart players Good. ATHLETE out of
Speaker 1: orlando i think that was a. GOOD take For them
Speaker 1: i like. CAMERON babb a lot i know we, got
Speaker 1: hurt this year but when he has the, ball in
Speaker 1: his hands he's Like A running back ohio state able to.
Speaker 1: Get him in space And There's A Linebacker dallas caan't
Speaker 1: dallas gant rated outside. THE top one FIFTY i know
Speaker 1: there's i guess there's ten outside. Linebackers better than him
Speaker 1: i'm not entirely, you, DON'T say it sure i just
Speaker 1: give ONE of the kids i really.
Speaker 4: Like, in that class Okay Let's talk about penn state,
Speaker 4: as a casual observer perhaps. As an eager alum it
Speaker 4: Feels To me like penn state has accelerated on the.
Speaker 4: Recruiting side of things if you look at their recruiting
Speaker 4: rankings and where they've stacked up relative to Other Teams,
Speaker 4: in the, big ten just say over, the last four
Speaker 4: years it feels like it's getting stronger, each and every
Speaker 4: year and this year. Was certainly no different seems like
Speaker 4: they have a ton of momentum. On the recruiting side
Speaker 4: they obviously got A Guy like a micah parsons who folks.
Speaker 4: Are really excited about in. The early signing period they.
Speaker 4: Added some other names today when you, look at the
Speaker 4: class where do you think the Strength Is of What
Speaker 4: Penn state and james franklin went out? And, did this
Speaker 4: time well.
Speaker 1: Edge rusher for sure parsons is just he's a dog,
Speaker 1: Man JUST every, snap like i know he's got. Some
Speaker 1: attitude to. Him he goes. HARD he's a beast i also.
Speaker 1: Love the Utter Dn, they SIGNED jason oway who i
Speaker 1: think actually has potentially A higher. Ceiling than parsons now
Speaker 1: he's nowhere near the, player he is currently but always
Speaker 1: also a kid who's. Fairly new, to football he's learning he's.
Speaker 1: Growing into his body but, HE'S like six,' six i
Speaker 1: don't know two thirty is probably he, looks like a
Speaker 1: basketball player but he looks. Like one, of those, guys
Speaker 1: it's like, oh man if he develops that's a first
Speaker 1: round looking kid because he has the length in. The
Speaker 1: frame to do that and, speaking Of Length and frame
Speaker 1: receiver Justin Shorter is like, at terrell, owens clung. Style
Speaker 1: BODY size speed Ridiculous what. I like was shorter though,
Speaker 1: he's got the long speed but he also has the
Speaker 1: quickness and a lot of times you don't see that with.
Speaker 1: The guys who are tall are a lot of, the dudes, who,
Speaker 1: are tall they're builders right it takes a little time.
Speaker 1: To get up top speed he's got the instant go
Speaker 1: and the extra gear to get deep so that that's
Speaker 1: going to. Be really nice for THEM and then a
Speaker 1: guy i. Think he's gonna play early one of the
Speaker 1: highest floor players in THIS. Class, for me is pj
Speaker 1: mustafer a d tackle who's. Clearly been schooled really well not.
Speaker 1: The most freakish of athletes he's, a top one hundred
Speaker 1: kid but he's, not like a You Know he's not
Speaker 1: a dexter lawrence, type dude, at the, tackle great. HANDS
Speaker 1: really quick good technique i think he's a guy who
Speaker 1: could be. An excellent college football player you know what
Speaker 1: it seems like to me with When You look, at
Speaker 1: this penn state class they have three positions that are
Speaker 1: filled by allegedly the best player in the country At
Speaker 1: That Position Is in mike parson's ricky slade as an
Speaker 1: all Purpose back and. Just for shorter at receiver it
Speaker 1: seems to me when you when you look at, where
Speaker 1: these guys are from there's a, lot Of Like, that
Speaker 1: coast the, Atlantic Coast. There's you know new Jersey These
Speaker 1: guys seem like urban meyer would have been recruiting them
Speaker 1: and Getting, commitments from Them at storta and like maryland Guys.
Speaker 1: Would be going, to, alabama Whatever It is right and
Speaker 1: james franklin has done an amazing job of not, just
Speaker 1: keeping pa kids home but that whole region. Within two
Speaker 1: or three states he is he is. Building, a multi
Speaker 1: state Fence Well think about who ohio state did, try,
Speaker 1: TO recruit These Kids right i mean michael parsons that.
Speaker 1: THEY were on really Aggressively I, Know They, wanted justin
Speaker 1: shorter Rashid Walker the kid. At ohio state signed. TODAY
Speaker 1: they wanted him bad i mean they were one of the.
Speaker 1: Top two finalists for him there's a lot of These
Speaker 1: Kids that do Have Ohio, state offers. In ohio state
Speaker 1: absolutely one it's act. Serves a lot, of credit by
Speaker 1: the way Preliminary Calculations here looks like penn state is
Speaker 1: the newest member. Of, the Blue Chip, ratio hey so,
Speaker 1: penn state there you go.
Speaker 4: Explain The blood chip ratio so i'm. GLAD you brought
Speaker 4: that up i wanted to bring that up. Before we
Speaker 4: let you go but blue chip ratio is something that
Speaker 4: you've been beating the drum. On for a long time
Speaker 4: what exactly is that and how does that, pertain to
Speaker 4: how a school how a program. Does, in the foreseeable
Speaker 4: future sure.
Speaker 1: So basically it's Just a rolling four year look at
Speaker 1: did you sign more four and five star kids than
Speaker 1: two and three star kids over? The LAST four recruiting
Speaker 1: classes and, i went back and looked and basically everybody
Speaker 1: in the modern recruiting era that won a. National title has,
Speaker 1: done so So to me it's basically i'm not saying.
Speaker 1: It's perfect or it's infallible that are heavy broken organ,
Speaker 1: Almost snap, The streak twice yeah exactly but there's sort
Speaker 1: of like a it's almost like a necessary but not
Speaker 1: sufficient condition, if you hit the ratio you're not going.
Speaker 1: To win a national championship but, if you don't hit it. It's,
Speaker 1: really tough to do so like you probably need a
Speaker 1: team of like super veteran guys who are really, close
Speaker 1: to be in there, maybe like a you know, forty
Speaker 1: five percent type team and then you also have like.
Speaker 1: A transcendent quarterback type thing so there's usually between like
Speaker 1: ten and fifteen teams in a given year who have
Speaker 1: done so. Over The Previous, Four, cycles So. PENN state
Speaker 1: OKLAHOMA and texas i think i got, to RUN the
Speaker 1: numbers finally but i think they're all going to be
Speaker 1: back in the. Club this year fair enough and we'd
Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't talk. About ANOTHER big ten
Speaker 1: power and i badly want To, just START talking about
Speaker 1: wisconsin but i Will be kind and say michigan actually
Speaker 1: did not sign a class that was necessarily on par
Speaker 1: with what they've done the Past Couple. Of years under
Speaker 1: jim harbaugh Is the? Panic reasonable from michigan fans is
Speaker 1: it just an average down year and you still, like
Speaker 1: guys in, this class or you know is their reason
Speaker 1: to actually say we have to? Write THE ship recruiting
Speaker 1: Wise so i don't think michigan has like fallen. OFF
Speaker 1: recruiting wise a ton i think they had. An, unfortunate
Speaker 1: combination of, timing OKAY we all knew or i think
Speaker 1: most people knew that twenty seventeen was going to be a,
Speaker 1: down yere on the field given. All that they had
Speaker 1: lost combine That with the fact that michigan did not have.
Speaker 1: That many spots to give. They only took nineteen kids
Speaker 1: now MAYBE they could, have taken i don't. Know twenty
Speaker 1: or Twenty one i'm sure our michigan side, will correct
Speaker 1: me on this But under no circumstances with michigan are
Speaker 1: going to be able to fit like twenty seven. Kids
Speaker 1: and load this thing they capitalized last year on a
Speaker 1: strong year in Which They. Went to the orange bowl
Speaker 1: they had to weather the storm this year on the
Speaker 1: field and on the recruiting tree because they knew they weren't,
Speaker 1: going to be that. Good And, indeed they weren't for
Speaker 1: michigan twenty eighteen is, kind. Of, make A break right
Speaker 1: sure if michigan goes out and kicks ass, On the
Speaker 1: field this Year i'm pretty sure in michigan will go
Speaker 1: back and dominate. On, the recruiting trail, again sure if
Speaker 1: they don't then that's back to back years on the
Speaker 1: field where They're not very impressive and harborough's. Program is
Speaker 1: not making, progress and then guess what elite kids from
Speaker 1: out of state probably aren't going. To sign up for
Speaker 1: that so this has really sort of been a, like, a,
Speaker 1: Instead of buy sell hold. I'm just kind of holding
Speaker 1: i'm waiting to see what twenty eighteen, will be on
Speaker 1: the field and that'll strongly reflect in. The twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: recruiting class let's look At The rest, of THE big
Speaker 1: ten quickly because i know you have at least a
Speaker 1: couple of classes where you know they're not top, heavy
Speaker 1: with blue chip recruits but in terms of what these
Speaker 1: teams have done, recently and how they've improved either with new,
Speaker 1: coaches or just recent success Who Are teams in the
Speaker 1: big ten that you see as infusing with a. LOT
Speaker 1: more talent than usual, I, got to tell you dan
Speaker 1: in the days, after The early signing period, When, i'm
Speaker 1: talking to coaches hey? What's your, board look like you
Speaker 1: know is there a kid or two you really? Didn't want?
Speaker 1: To sign earlier who did the name that KEPT coming
Speaker 1: up Was was i can't believe minnesota got this kid
Speaker 1: to sign wow over and over again from Like, major
Speaker 1: powers In The southeast like receiver rashad baite rated the
Speaker 1: number sixty. One receiver in, a country. There's no way
Speaker 1: no way he's a Stud. GOT him Out of Georgia
Speaker 1: I think georgia and florida, state wanted him to wait.
Speaker 1: Interesting he didn't do, it minnesota got that kid a,
Speaker 1: kid who if he waited they would have absolutely signed
Speaker 1: him one of those, schools Or like you know a florida.
Speaker 1: OR or Somebody Like. That i like terrelle smith He's.
Speaker 1: Another kid out of georgia they went And Got down
Speaker 1: out of. SOUTH gwinnette BIG time cornerback i think i.
Speaker 1: Think He's An underrated player REMEMBER, benny sap in the
Speaker 1: Nfl played for Like. The vikings and the, dolphins they
Speaker 1: got his son who happens to be. A lot taller
Speaker 1: THAN him he's a corner i like a Lot of.
Speaker 1: KID out of minnesota TOO O, Lineman from the img
Speaker 1: academy curtis Dun Nappen, or dunlapp and DANIEL fallele Two
Speaker 1: kids who i think minnesota's, a Good fit for them
Speaker 1: right they need to work on. Their Bodies a, little
Speaker 1: bit in falle's case he just needs to work On.
Speaker 1: Learning the game foot paul He's Only been in the.
Speaker 1: United States, for, a year, HE'S australian right huge guy i,
Speaker 1: Mean six eight FOUR hundred, like, we're not i mean
Speaker 1: Legit we're. TALKING TY hildon. BRAND size i i Was
Speaker 1: I was at the orange bowl a Couple Of Years
Speaker 1: ago when the BIG show was there and i was in.
Speaker 1: The press elevator with? Him how was that scary balle
Speaker 1: is Literally The like. Like the big show size that's
Speaker 1: like there's very few. Humans in life you'll see it's
Speaker 1: like whoa and and those those two are probably LIKE
Speaker 1: the two utter like i guess shack like like two
Speaker 1: of the largest humans. You'll ever see, in person he's
Speaker 1: that big but he. Needs to. Learn THE game Mm
Speaker 1: hmm and I Think maryland whereas like jonathan, ogden coming
Speaker 1: into college football. He, was a football player yeah he
Speaker 1: was ready, to, Dominate At that size right so minnesota
Speaker 1: had a really. A heck Of a class i think
Speaker 1: nebraska Had A. Nice close under scott fast wisconsin kind
Speaker 1: of does what they do. To get guys that fit
Speaker 1: although we talked earlier On A periscope on my twitter
Speaker 1: spn Recruiting that We did with dan in wisconsin for
Speaker 1: next year. LOOKING really strong right, now i like their,
Speaker 1: Quarterback they have a lot they've got a number of
Speaker 1: kids committed who are just Quite frankly better players in
Speaker 1: wisconsin normally gets so that they might finally be turning
Speaker 1: these wins gradually into. A slightly better caliber recruits. They're,
Speaker 1: getting guys drafted highly yeah you Know we're talking, about
Speaker 1: the watt brothers, absolutely and even around Elsewhere Even. Outside of,
Speaker 1: the big ten You know, You, like the toledo class
Speaker 1: like there are, a group of five Classes not Necessarily
Speaker 1: just in texas and florida that have done a really
Speaker 1: good job this year. And the early signing period this Is,
Speaker 1: Who It's Made For. TOLEDO southern miss. COASTAL carolina I
Speaker 1: Like setting. I, like south carolina's class okay, not a group, of,
Speaker 1: five let's be clear sure RIGHT but within within the
Speaker 1: sec they. Might as well be h i'm. Probably, go some,
Speaker 1: Hate mill, wow that's okay. Now listen it's ABOUT honesty
Speaker 1: You know Those I mean, toledo GOT gus bradley's kid
Speaker 1: who i think is going to, fit that offense really
Speaker 1: well and he not gotten. HURT in his senior year
Speaker 1: i feel like He would be. A. Surefire POWER five
Speaker 1: kid wow so i. Like that signing, a lot there's,
Speaker 1: ANOTHER kid by the way i want to point out
Speaker 1: early signing period kid, Who if he had waited and
Speaker 1: this might be like a sort of a cautionary. Tale
Speaker 1: For kids in futures and i'm not saying don't sign, at,
Speaker 1: these mid level schools right but There Is no doubt
Speaker 1: That devon matthews out of jacksonville would have had like
Speaker 1: a ton better options or not. To, say better bigger
Speaker 1: options yeah and He waited. For the traditional sunday instead, You. Know,
Speaker 1: where he went indiana okay this Kid's. Gonna Kill It
Speaker 1: for indiana and tom Allen. Has, the connection to florida
Speaker 1: yeah HE'S Probably the most. Talented. dB indiana's ever signed
Speaker 1: wow and they Also Signed a guy that florida state
Speaker 1: was on, for, A Long. Time, too right James. Miller
Speaker 1: yes he, liked indiana he he. Well not a long
Speaker 1: time apparently that that might, Have, Been An issue there
Speaker 1: okay florida state didn't Offer, him until real late okay
Speaker 1: and then it looked like maybe he was under some
Speaker 1: pressure to sign with schools who. Were, on him for
Speaker 1: longer okay, He, was sort of like hey are you
Speaker 1: really going to, play here, as opposed.
Speaker 2: To you know.
Speaker 1: School THAT really wants you and i think that's a
Speaker 1: cool thing with the early signing period. Some of these,
Speaker 1: KIDS do this is. Like i think it's important i'm
Speaker 1: not trying to advocate these kids. Just pick the biggest
Speaker 1: schools sometimes they do like they just pick the most
Speaker 1: popular name and can. GET lost in the shuffle I Remember,
Speaker 1: Sitting next to sean white auburn quarterback on the plane
Speaker 1: right on the, way back from the opening, and he,
Speaker 1: was telling me you know he Was probably gonna go
Speaker 1: to auburn and he. Was LISTENING to the schools and
Speaker 1: i never want to get, involved IN the. Kids recruitment
Speaker 1: so i. Didn't you don't, Say anything, in, my head
Speaker 1: i'm thinking man you were. Just, Picking the biggest name
Speaker 1: yeah like that is not a good. Fit for your
Speaker 1: skill set they run the heck out of the quarterback
Speaker 1: when they Got, a kid when heel yeah and you
Speaker 1: have a lot of options that, are less like you
Speaker 1: know famous names of schools that. Probably. Fix your skill
Speaker 1: set better so maybe the early signing paper will help
Speaker 1: some of these kids because if you're signed early, with
Speaker 1: us with the place that school probably really wants you because. They're,
Speaker 1: committed to, You early Right You, Know minnesota or shot
Speaker 1: babey mike or might go in.
Speaker 3: There and.
Speaker 1: Start day one that's incredible good for him and he
Speaker 1: will have that exposure that he, right not necessarily have
Speaker 1: had and, he will have, you know action in games
Speaker 1: And will have time to john had. A good career
Speaker 1: about it i'm. Not trying to, bash, him i'm just
Speaker 1: now yeah that's just an example. As possed, In, my
Speaker 1: head i'm like wow that's like the kid. Just, Picking,
Speaker 1: the biggest name yep well why don't?
Speaker 4: We close, out with This Then again talking with bud
Speaker 4: elliott here about a whole swath of the nation As
Speaker 4: It Relates to this national signing day. Part duh in,
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen but you know we've talked so much about
Speaker 4: now the early signing period and the traditional late. Signing
Speaker 4: period through one cycle if, you could sum it up how,
Speaker 4: Have coaches adjusted their, strategies who has it? Helped who
Speaker 4: has it.
Speaker 1: Hurt it certainly helped the mid level schools it's really
Speaker 1: hurting the. Schools. THAT make coaching changes, yeah i mean
Speaker 1: the look The two biggest Threats to georgia in the.
Speaker 1: East both make coaching changes georgia put probably two. Years
Speaker 1: of distance between them everybody else needs, this year with
Speaker 1: This class Relative to. WHAT florida, and tennessee signed i
Speaker 1: mean it's going to Take two Full classes of florida
Speaker 1: and tennessee working their. Butts, off to, Catch up yeah
Speaker 1: and meanwhile george is. In a talent RICH state it, does, not,
Speaker 1: I mean Obviously well yeah i mean jordan starts starting
Speaker 1: to TREAT their State. Like like, usc treats california that's
Speaker 1: incredible kind of like like the. Writer first refusal type
Speaker 1: thing is there a story now when you look back
Speaker 1: at this signing class? That stands out to you is there,
Speaker 1: anybody's recruitment, where you say you know It's Not. Like
Speaker 1: crazy like terrell Pryor We had the big jacob copeland
Speaker 1: today with his mom initially walking off set because it
Speaker 1: looked like she didn't Want. Him to go to florida,
Speaker 1: but then they they reconciled so it seemed like it.
Speaker 1: Ended in a happy way but in terms of is
Speaker 1: there a, Story that you say this this recruitment Was
Speaker 1: the most interesting and i'm excited to see. How Things
Speaker 1: go for, HIM the patzertan thing. Was i mean really
Speaker 1: interesting and, for Those who don't Know. Obviously cirtancy is From, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: HE played, it, SUTURN miss i think okay lsu was
Speaker 1: the leader. For, him like forever years yeah and for
Speaker 1: saving to go AND, get him away from Lsu and.
Speaker 1: FOR how well jimbo closed i think THERE'S A dynamic
Speaker 1: in the sec west now where the PRESSURE it's just totally,
Speaker 1: On lsu for twenty nineteen like they have got, to
Speaker 1: do a good job because. Otherwise what are you doing
Speaker 1: the reasoning behind hiring that. Coaching staff was what recruiting,
Speaker 1: We Got. A baller recruiter edward ron we're gonna surround.
Speaker 1: Him with Some Awesome coordinators it's the dabo SWINNING. Model
Speaker 1: come to the sec except. THE recruiting is not there
Speaker 1: i mean they're, not doing a Bad job but they're
Speaker 1: not they're Not making up ground, IN alabama RIGHT and
Speaker 1: NOW a and M with I Guarantee you Jimbo And, tim,
Speaker 1: brusher and damian craignose. Guys they're not messing around if
Speaker 1: you give a guy seventy five million dollars, guaranteed as
Speaker 1: a head coach they're going to Sign, some kids out
Speaker 1: of houston which IS a major. Stronghold for lsu as
Speaker 1: well so that's sort of, a thing when that, happened and,
Speaker 1: it was like oh man THAT the pressure's on at,
Speaker 1: lsu and quickly that's incredible and the pressure is on
Speaker 1: for twenty nineteen and. We're barely, into twenty eighteen, That's recruiting.
Speaker 1: Ty Feel, good feel good but elliott thank you. Very
Speaker 1: MUCH for your time and i think it's everything sort of.
Speaker 1: Wrapping down now for. You it's onto twenty nineteen you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of sixteen Year olds, to follow on
Speaker 1: twitter now, so good luck, with everything and once AGAIN
Speaker 1: Be sure To follow espn recruiting on twitter and of
Speaker 1: course On, espanation dot com and, facebook and it's you
Speaker 1: know the recruiting. World if you're into it espianation does
Speaker 1: the best job of contextualizing. Everything IN a human way
Speaker 1: and i can say that with honesty because going into message,
Speaker 1: boards is not. My thing, but it is you know
Speaker 1: you have. To pay attention to it if, you're a, College.
Speaker 1: Football fan, thank you. Bud all, Right, thanks man all?
Speaker 4: Right daniel that.
Speaker 1: Does IT oh a marathon but, I, FEEL good about
Speaker 1: IT ty i feel. Like i trained for this. My
Speaker 1: joints field not bad i'm. Very happy with, my RESULT
Speaker 1: true story here if i could.
Speaker 4: Be, honest on this. Program okay let's huddle up it's
Speaker 4: cold in the house today because we've had a bit
Speaker 4: of Inclement winter weather in eastern pennsylvania, and the house
Speaker 4: is cold so we cranked up the heater to, seventy
Speaker 4: four or seventy five which is. So damn, COLD in,
Speaker 4: here and uh i thought at least at one point
Speaker 4: of taking the shirt Off, during the interview?
Speaker 1: WITH bud is that true.
Speaker 4: I thought about doing it i was, very close TO
Speaker 4: doing it and, then i thought to myself IF anyone finds,
Speaker 4: out that i did this. It's REALLY gonna. Be WEIRD
Speaker 4: so i, didn't, but i thought.
Speaker 1: ABOUT yeah, that's Too bad i mean your apple watch
Speaker 1: probably has a video. Camera in, there, recording something. Probably
Speaker 1: yeah yeah probably. Not i've done that before WE'VE talked
Speaker 1: about it when i was in a particularly Hot Room at.
Speaker 1: The old fox media office but we have done a
Speaker 1: show together where. With, no show It's right, uh Have We, jacuzzie,
Speaker 1: oh the. Jacuzzi.
Speaker 4: Show right that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah but other than that now this is this is
Speaker 1: as good. A time as any time we're going, through
Speaker 1: a lot of, facts a lot of figures a lot
Speaker 1: of recruiting names that are turning. Into COLLEGE football player
Speaker 1: name so i can understand even if it isn't overly
Speaker 1: warm in whatever, room you're recording this in. You're just.
Speaker 1: Overheating with.
Speaker 4: KNOWLEDGE that's right that's right i would.
Speaker 1: Have definitely FORGIVEN shedding clothing so if i, WOULD have
Speaker 1: actually done it. I WOULDN'T have told. YOU but i
Speaker 1: came close. I walked to that line.
Speaker 4: I didn't step over it so.
Speaker 1: We have you mentioned just some somehouse cleaning. Real quick
Speaker 1: before we go we have how college football works recruiting
Speaker 1: this coming week. We're, shooting for that's correct yeah and
Speaker 1: that is, various angles. Media and parents cut whatever i'll,
Speaker 1: just how recruiting in general because it is sort. Of
Speaker 1: a multi tentacled monster just, there are so, many angles
Speaker 1: and you know there's so. Much happening behind the scene
Speaker 1: so we're trying to get at least a tip of.
Speaker 1: The iceberg look, at recruiting we have well we're going to,
Speaker 1: start recapping and looking forward. Because it's Never Too early
Speaker 1: our friend bill connolly has already started twenty eighteen. PREVIEWS
Speaker 1: on spnation Dot Com i just. Saw texas STATE go
Speaker 1: up we have i, think a scheme theme. Month. Sooner
Speaker 1: rather than.
Speaker 4: Later March are? WE looking at march there i would Like.
Speaker 3: To.
Speaker 1: SAY we're doing march tie i just. Think we have
Speaker 1: to edit Just in watching The Super bowl and hearing
Speaker 1: chris collinsworth sometimes, accurately sometimes not, SO accurately talk about
Speaker 1: RPOs i think the time is right accounts and really
Speaker 1: nerd out about, offensive and defensive and hell. Maybe, even
Speaker 1: special teams schemes.
Speaker 4: Yeah that would be good we haven't done a special,
Speaker 4: teams one.
Speaker 1: No be special so. We've got that coming up. We've,
Speaker 1: got a new. Logo yeah check it out you probably
Speaker 1: you might be. LOOKING at it right now i, don't
Speaker 1: KNOW on your phone.
Speaker 4: BUT i that. THAT'S good i like it i.
Speaker 2: THINK you do.
Speaker 1: Great work i thank you that. Means A lot to
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Speaker 1: Publicly appreciative appreciate it appreciative. That, sounds right to me
Speaker 1: yeah because. It's been a, Long, day time all right
Speaker 1: well it.
Speaker 4: Has been A long day you and. I, need to
Speaker 4: go eat yeah and hopefully everyone out there could donate
Speaker 4: a chunk of their day to getting caught. Up on
Speaker 4: all things recruiting Big Thanks as Always to brandon hoffman
Speaker 4: but elliott a busy day For Both Those. Guys on
Speaker 4: national signing day to give us so much of their
Speaker 4: time is really generous and we. Do appreciate it for,
Speaker 4: sure as you can tell they are wealths of knowledge
Speaker 4: when it comes to all things recruiting. And HOW this process,
Speaker 4: works as i said before you will hear more from
Speaker 4: them next week In Our much. Awaited how recruiting work
Speaker 4: show we've been working on this, one For over a
Speaker 4: year so i'm excited to get, it out of the
Speaker 4: lab take, the bubble wrap off it and, release it
Speaker 4: into the wild maybe a, little bit later next week okay.
Speaker 4: To get that one release but the plan is to
Speaker 4: have that one out in the wild. At Some point.
Speaker 4: Next week so i'm excited. Let love, what you think
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