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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Fire Drill. Uh. I'm super tired.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to keep this energized. First of all,

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Speaker 1: we talk live. We all give grades of live. And

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Speaker 1: before you say we're gonna get all our anti live

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Speaker 1: or not, it's not true. So listen to our grades

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Speaker 1: of the first full year of live. Uh. We talked

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Speaker 1: about what is now will always be referred to as

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Speaker 1: the butter Ball Bermuda. Somebody on Twitter called it the

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Speaker 1: butter ball instead of the butterfield, so we're calling it

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Speaker 1: the butter ball and all the stories that come with that.

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Speaker 1: We talk about Bannon Dunes and our trip there, and

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Speaker 1: we rank all the courses. We talked about my swearing,

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Speaker 1: we talk about I mean, it's insane. It's always a

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Speaker 1: fire drill, It's crazy. We were super tired, Uh, but

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Speaker 1: we we got it done. Before we get into the

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Speaker 1: actual podcast, I want to thank We want to thank

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Speaker 1: They sent us some bottles of wine while we're at

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Speaker 1: Bandon Dunes. I'm not a wine drinker. I'm a Jack

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Speaker 1: great supporters of the fire Pit. As you can see

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Speaker 1: above my head, fire Pit, the fire Pit Collective. I'm

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Speaker 1: in the office, flew down from Bandon. That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: Jake's laughing at me, and here is us talking about

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Speaker 1: the week in golf. I got can't you chan nothing thing? Well,

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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about? Can't get them? H think well

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. Hello. This is Alan ship Knuck back

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Speaker 1: for another fire Drill podcast. I am joined uh per

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Speaker 1: usual by Michael Bamberger and Ryan Frent. We were doing

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Speaker 1: these every Sunday, but because we were all three of

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Speaker 1: us were in trans at home from Bandon. It's now

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. But our dedication to you, the listener remains

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Speaker 1: so um guys. We were. We were having a heck

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Speaker 1: of a time in one of the greatest spots on Earth.

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Speaker 1: But um, what was interesting to me was that, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bandoned is the mecca for the recreational golfer in America,

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Speaker 1: and you're you're surrounded by golf conversations at all times,

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Speaker 1: and people are talking about their gear, and they're putting

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Speaker 1: stroke and their favorite players and whether they're gonna go

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Speaker 1: to the map Ssters next year and whatever. I mean,

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Speaker 1: every conversation is infused with golf. Um. But I did

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Speaker 1: not hear anyone talking about the Live finale in Miami,

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Speaker 1: even though it was a pretty exciting event and had

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Speaker 1: an interesting format. You had, uh, you had some some

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Speaker 1: heavyweight matchups, you know, camp Smith taken down Phil Mickelson

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Speaker 1: and in their in their singles, and you had you

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Speaker 1: the golfers. Um. I just thought it was an interesting dichotomy. Um,

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Speaker 1: so what now that the first season is over and

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Speaker 1: and it's all in the books, what do we think

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Speaker 1: of where Live is and what do we think of

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Speaker 1: what happened in Miami, and let's just talk about that

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Speaker 1: for a little while. Somebody start, Michael is starting, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm starting. No, Michael, you start okay, he's

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Speaker 1: shaking it off. Um season overall one bigger and more

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Speaker 1: besides the PGA Tour is wild. Uh. And I don't

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Speaker 1: The PGA Tour change your whole structure. So for the

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Speaker 1: people that are like, oh we negative live like they

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Speaker 1: have made an impact, there's a hundred. There's no Anyone

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Speaker 1: And you said it perfectly that Sunday dinner or Saturday

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Speaker 1: people on. Like it just it's not the driving force

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour structure itself, and the PGA Tour has

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Speaker 1: lost some of its marquee players. But it's the most significant.

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Speaker 1: But at all professional golf exists for fans, This this

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Speaker 1: first year seems almost inconsequential, not completely, but as you say,

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Speaker 1: cut automatically just so I can get it. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's where he was. Um. I think he was ranked

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Speaker 1: five hundred in the world or around five hundred in

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Speaker 1: the world. Uh. He won at the Barbersol Uh, and

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Speaker 1: he won again this week and he is going to

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Speaker 1: be in the top thirty in the world. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: go to a second straight Masters. I mean, he couldn't

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Speaker 1: crack an egg, you know, for a long time in

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Speaker 1: his pro career, and something clicked. He changed caddies, he

435
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Speaker 1: changed win coaches, whatever the reason was. Gained confidence mainly,

436
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Speaker 1: and that's what I love about. And that's what the

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Speaker 1: PGA Tour offers, uh to me is I've said it

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Speaker 1: a million times. The guy who finished third, Ben Griffin,

439
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Speaker 1: was working at desk job fourteen months ago. Those are

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Speaker 1: the stories that I think the tour needs to do

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Speaker 1: a much better job of telling. Uh. But also that's

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Speaker 1: what you You can't create those, those are like actual

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Speaker 1: stories that happened, and that is why I love the

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Speaker 1: butter ball. Someone called it the butter ball on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's known as going forward. Well, and Dustin

446
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Speaker 1: Johnson winning thirty five million dollars and eight events is

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Speaker 1: pretty wild, but it's not gonna change his life. He

448
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Speaker 1: already had the boats and the mansions and the cars,

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Speaker 1: and his kids, kids, kids were were set for life.

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Speaker 1: But what Ben Griffin just did is probably it's certainly

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Speaker 1: career changing, possibly life changing, and you buried the lead

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Speaker 1: Monday Q Info, you had Aaron Baddeley, a Monday qualifier

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Speaker 1: who's in contention until the bitter end. Like that would

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Speaker 1: have been epic if you could have done it, because,

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Speaker 1: um tell tell the listeners a little bit about Aaron Baddeley,

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Speaker 1: like you know, you know, if you remember where he

457
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Speaker 1: won the Australian Open as as an amateur in the

458
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Speaker 1: late nineties, he was gonna he was gonna be the

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Speaker 1: next big thing. Um haw. He's had a decent two

460
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Speaker 1: pretty good PGA tour career, but the last actumber years

461
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: have been a real struggle. So what do they not

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Speaker 1: know about the Aaron Baddley experience. You're talking about Aaron Badley.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Badley one of the nicest people in the world. Ah. So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, it's so wild the guy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have the serious side of it is I have

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Speaker 1: mad respect for a guy who has twenty two million

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Speaker 1: dollars in career earnings, four PG twur wins at any Monday, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean to the fact is he's going to get

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Speaker 1: about ten starts a year no matter what. Uh as

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Speaker 1: being a past champion, he can just wait for those

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Speaker 1: and Aaron is at every Monday. In fact, he went

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Speaker 1: to the Bermuda Monday, got in. It was played a

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Speaker 1: week prior, not the traditional Monday of the week prior.

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Speaker 1: By the time in the field all the withdraws, Aaron

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Speaker 1: would have been into the field by sixteen people. He

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Speaker 1: didn't even have to go to the Monday and most

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Speaker 1: most players would have known that, knowing the history of

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Speaker 1: the field. But for some reason, Aaron is there. Whenever

479
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Speaker 1: Aaron is at a Monday, most of his family is there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but they don't believe in haircuts.

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Speaker 1: None of them have had an haircut. There's their entire life.

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Speaker 1: They have nine kids. They roll up in a bus,

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Speaker 1: the battlies get off, they follow him during the playoff,

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Speaker 1: there's baddles all over the place. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a great example. At the Barracuda UH, the player can

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Speaker 1: invite your caddy into the UH, into the dining area.

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Speaker 1: So Marcus like, hey, man, just come in and eat

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Speaker 1: with me. I go in. And this is not an exaggeration.

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Speaker 1: The baddlies are having a foosball turn, like two of

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Speaker 1: the kids versus other two of the kids. Grandma Amp

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Speaker 1: are in there. The wife's in their errands there. It's Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Aaron missed the cut by like ten points, and they

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Speaker 1: still like just jamming away in there. So the battles

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Speaker 1: are a why well, they're not a wild budget, but

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Speaker 1: they are always everywhere. It's pretty wild. This is actually

496
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Speaker 1: a great story. One of the three of us should

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Speaker 1: get on the bus with the battles and go for

498
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Speaker 1: like a cross country trip like that's gonna happen fire

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Speaker 1: Pit Collective dot com at some point in two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty three. That sounds like an amazing story. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean the whole clan, Grandma, grandpa, everybody. Yeah, into all

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Speaker 1: the elves out there from other golf media outlets who

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Speaker 1: monitor this podcast to Steeler ideas, you can't have that one.

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Speaker 1: We're keeping that one. Yeah, that one's too good. Alex Myers, No,

505
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Speaker 1: it's not happening. Yeah, don't touch it. Um, it's net

506
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Speaker 1: need to think that Shamus Powers has played his way,

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Speaker 1: you know, very likely to all four majors this year.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Battle has had many years, whore has played all

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Speaker 1: four majors who would like to be back or and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think these events do help us keep our eye

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Speaker 1: on the prize, which is if you want to be

512
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Speaker 1: a professional golfer and really be the envy of your peers,

513
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Speaker 1: the starting point is playing in all four majors. And uh,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Howell's not going to do that. Henrik Sinson's not

515
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Speaker 1: going to do that. Dustin Johnson will do it. But

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Speaker 1: you know who knows for how much longer. Brooks Kepko

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Speaker 1: you don't know for how much longer. Um, It's just

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Speaker 1: it's just odd to think the champions Powers will have

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Speaker 1: something that those guys won't well. And also, I mean

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Speaker 1: Shamius Powers is very much in the conversation now for

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Speaker 1: the Writer Cup or less than a year out from

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Speaker 1: from Rome. Um. If you look at all of his stats,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's clearly one of the best twelve Europeans

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Speaker 1: right now and you know, two victories in the space

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Speaker 1: of what sixteen seventeen months. So if you can sustain

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Speaker 1: this form, I mean, he's going to be important part

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Speaker 1: of that team which is very much in transition and

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Speaker 1: needs some of these young guys to assert themselves if

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Speaker 1: they're going to be able to handle this very powerhouse

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Speaker 1: US team. So UM, I guarantee you Luke Donald is

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Speaker 1: very locked in on Jami's powers right now and and

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Speaker 1: really um really excited to see his continued development and

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Speaker 1: that that's a big deal. Alan how locked in or

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Speaker 1: other Ryan and Allen how locked anything? Live is on

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Speaker 1: Harrison Crow the uh the kid who won the Asian

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Speaker 1: Pacific Amateur which gets you know, automatic spot into the

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Speaker 1: into the Masters and and other elite events and had

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Speaker 1: planned to term pro and now is not. Uh so

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Speaker 1: is he auditioning for a live spot or is or

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Speaker 1: what is he doing? You know, we don't know, but

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Speaker 1: oh no they are because I I think I think

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this previously. You know, I've talked to a

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Speaker 1: couple of college coaches about this, and he says, there's

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Speaker 1: as much, if not more conversation about Live then there's

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Speaker 1: about the PGA tour among the college players because they

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Speaker 1: know I'm live is keenly aware. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: guys we've signed are old and getting older, and they

548
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Speaker 1: need to make their own stars, if you will. They

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Speaker 1: need young talent and um, and so these college kids

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Speaker 1: know like, hey, if I have a great year, if

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Speaker 1: I went in cuble A's are when the US Amateur

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is, I'm going to get an offer

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Speaker 1: from Live and as as Ryan has has documented so

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Speaker 1: many times, just because you're a great college player means

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Speaker 1: nothing on the long arduous tour or a trek to

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. Whereas you know, if you can, if

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Speaker 1: you can get in with Live in the Asian Tour,

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Speaker 1: you're you're gonna make a nice living um. And so

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Speaker 1: these young these young players know that. I thought a

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Speaker 1: lot about that as I saw Tyler Strafacci miss by

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Speaker 1: fourteen or something at first stage at you school, and

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Speaker 1: James Piatt is that live at least who knows? You know,

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Speaker 1: Rumors that I've heard is, you know, seven figure you're

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Speaker 1: signing deal. Whether that was against his earnings or whatever,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He's making millions of dollars and putting

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Speaker 1: play relatively poor golf. And Tyler is playing poor golf

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Speaker 1: and not making a time. And if you're the US

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Speaker 1: Open champ, if you're the US Amateur champion, and you

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Speaker 1: look at those two examples that are very very recent,

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Speaker 1: those are the last prior to this year. I think

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Speaker 1: those are the last two US Open champions. One is

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Speaker 1: lost like lost in the he's playing a minor league

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Speaker 1: tour event this week. I mean that is at the

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Speaker 1: bottom of the professional golf barrel and one is flying

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Speaker 1: in private jets and as a multimillionaire. And I get it.

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00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I say it all the time. I get it. And

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Speaker 1: even in the best case scenario for the top players,

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Speaker 1: unless they change the you know, PGA Tour, you you

579
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Speaker 1: are going to go play on the corn Ferry Tour,

580
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: and you have your choice of playing in Wichita, Kansas.

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Speaker 1: I always say nothing against which Kansas for a million

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Speaker 1: dollars or playing with Brooks Kapka and Brason de Shambo

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Speaker 1: on their team and making a grand If you fire

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Speaker 1: four eighties, I don't know if you're twenty two years old,

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Speaker 1: if we all go back to the two year old

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Speaker 1: we were, I don't know how that is a tough decision.

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Speaker 1: I think Harrison Crows maybe twenty. I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 1: imagine the pressure he's under right now at age twenty.

589
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: It should be such a golden time in your life.

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Speaker 1: But to play these events as an amateur professional and

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Speaker 1: waiting with all this pressure on you, Uh, it's almost

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Speaker 1: more than then then a person could take. And it

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Speaker 1: actually makes you wonder whether whether it's gonna make golf

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Speaker 1: enjoyable for him or not to have to have so

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Speaker 1: much weight on him. Uh so early. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: a kid comes out, if a kid's a great pitching prospect, whatever,

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Speaker 1: coming out of high school. Uh, there's such a system

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Speaker 1: of development and here it's like this or that really

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Speaker 1: fast and really hard, and I think it'll I think

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Speaker 1: it'll weigh on these kids in a very significant way.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. And even to extend the conversation further,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's people saying, well, James Piatt is playing

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Speaker 1: so bad he's not gonna be on Live next year.

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Speaker 1: That first of all, every contract is different. He may

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Speaker 1: have had a two or three year guarantee. We don't

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Speaker 1: know that just yet. But even if he does get

607
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Speaker 1: relegated to the Asian Tour slash in their national series,

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Speaker 1: that's still much better money than you can make on

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Speaker 1: the corn ferry, and it gives you a road back

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Speaker 1: to live and so uh yeah, you're you're far from home.

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Speaker 1: And that's also kind of cool because I would rather

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Speaker 1: I would rather see the world than see you know.

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Speaker 1: To use your example, Ryan, which dot Kansas like I'd

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Speaker 1: played for three million dollars in qual lumpour or a

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Speaker 1: million dollars, in which I like, to me, that's a

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Speaker 1: great adventure when you're twenty two years old, and um,

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Speaker 1: you know so. And I'll say this as again, is

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Speaker 1: like I don't know James's family financial or Tyler's. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Let's say they're both like just middle class

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Speaker 1: people and both their careers flame out. I hope that

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen, but let's just as a hypothetical, James is

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Speaker 1: a nice house and the course he grew up with,

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Speaker 1: and go be a club pro or speaker or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And he has X million dollars, assuming he takes care

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Speaker 1: of his money, he's basically set for life. And because

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get three years out of this minimum, as

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Speaker 1: you said, Alan, like, okay, he doesn't make live next year,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna go play on the Asian Tour for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years, even if he plays poorly, play okay whatever.

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Speaker 1: Tyler is gonna play minor league tour events. And I

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Speaker 1: just again, I get it, I get it, I and

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Speaker 1: I the PGA Tour is gonna lose some top amateurs.

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Speaker 1: There's just no way that some of those kids don't

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Speaker 1: take it. I think to me, one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: lessons from all of this, and one of the crucial

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Speaker 1: mistakes that Jay Monahan made, is is overvaluing the PGA Tour.

638
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: Like I think we're sent we're sentimental about the PGA Tour,

639
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: especially me and Michael and you as well, Ryan. But

640
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's all we've known, that's all we've really covered.

641
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: It was the big leagues. It was it was all

642
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: that mattered in our thinking. Um. But I think for

643
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: a lot of these golfers, you know, it's about making

644
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: a living, it's about their future. And the difference between

645
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: playing a live event in Miami versus a tour event

646
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: uh in in different parts of Florida, it doesn't feel

647
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: that much different. You know, there's the majors and there's

648
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: everything else. And so I don't think that a lot,

649
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: you know. I think these kids grew up dreaming about

650
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: playing in the Masters, in the U S Open, and

651
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: and that's it's still gonna be available to them if

652
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: they play well on live. Um. I believe that. So, um,

653
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: they didn't grow up dreaming about playing the Greater Heartford Open.

654
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: So I think I think players are willing to give

655
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: up the idea of the tour if the circumstances are

656
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: right for them, and um, whereas that might have been

657
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: unthinkable before, you know, because we have these we have

658
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: the NFL versus the USFL analogy and some of these

659
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: other ones where the other league's never caught on and

660
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: they disappeared and and it was clearly always just the

661
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: big time but the most the five most important events

662
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: in golf for the majors, in the Wryder Cup are

663
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: not controlled by the PGA Tour, And so um, if

664
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: if the live players can still have access to those

665
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: in some in some manner, um, at least even the

666
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: thought they might, I think the tour becomes much less attractive.

667
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: So um to some now there's you're gonna have your

668
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: loyalists for sure. But um, I think that's been one

669
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: of the that's been one of the lessons of this year,

670
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: is that maybe we were kind of overrating the value

671
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: of the PGA Tour to some of the players. Alan,

672
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: what what would you like me to say to people

673
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: when they asked me of you, is Alan pro or

674
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: anti live? Um? The answers, yes, that's the answer. Um.

675
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm trying I'm trying to both sides

676
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: this whole thing to death, right like um, because there's

677
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: people have kind of staked out these hardened positions, and

678
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: I go back and forth. I'm critical Live and I'm

679
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: also supportive of Live. I see, um, you know, I

680
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: see what they've achieved, and I see the potential for

681
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: the future, and I think it's quite interesting potentially they

682
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: can if they can make the right moves, like I think,

683
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: like like you, especially Michael, uncomfortable with the source of

684
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: the money, and um, you know, there's a lot of

685
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: polarizing figures that are part of Live that I'm not

686
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: exactly rooting for. So um, I I try, much like

687
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: my my three Woods off the tea, I just try

688
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: and play it right down the middle. And you know,

689
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: it's and I think people who have been confused about

690
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: my feelings on Live, which I guess is good because

691
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't I don't want to

692
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: before against and the same with the tour. I mean,

693
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: I've been critical of monhand times and some of the

694
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: tour moves, but I also I think I i've I

695
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: can see the things that they've changed, and um, I

696
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: want the tour to to succeed as well, because we

697
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: need the tour like we don't. We don't want to

698
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: badly diminish PG tour. That's not good for any of us.

699
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: So uh, I'm I'm I'm pro and con PG tour

700
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: and I'm pro and con live. I guess the alan

701
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: as you get, as you get deeper into the reporting

702
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: and the writing of your book, do you think at

703
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: some point you will evolve to a place where you

704
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: do have an opinion in the reader would actually know it,

705
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: or do you think it maybe is incumbent upon you

706
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: and behooves you to maintain this this sort of neutral

707
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: position all through this writing process of the book. Yeah,

708
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: I think I guess I'm struggling with that a little

709
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: bit because, Um, I think I think the easiest way

710
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: to say is I'm critical both sides. That's my version

711
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: of neutrality. Um. But um, and I can also see

712
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: that you know, also give credit or credit to due

713
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: and they've made the right moves. But um, yeah, I

714
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: mean it's running for a political position we don't know about. Well.

715
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: I think I think he's writing a really really sensitive,

716
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: difficult book. Will Bardwell, I use his line all the

717
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: time of tweet was will's a great follow if you

718
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: don't follow on Twitter, he said, live versus the PGA

719
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: Tour doesn't have to have a good guy. You know,

720
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: every story doesn't have to have a good guy. It

721
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: can have two bad guys. And yeah, in some ways

722
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: that's more compelling that I guess. To answer your question, Michael,

723
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: I just don't want I don't want to be obvious

724
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: because if if if people say, oh, this is an

725
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: anti Live book or I'm an anti Live reporter, then

726
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: you close off, um, a lot of potential stories that

727
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: I'd like to write. Same with the same if I'm

728
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm pro live or you know what

729
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: I mean. Like once you once you pick sides, then

730
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: the other side tunes you out. And I don't mean institutionally,

731
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean the fans and the readers, um. Like, I

732
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: think it's better if you know, if people don't really

733
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: know your your true feelings, but it will probably come

734
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: out in the book because at that point, um, you know,

735
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: I've I'll be a little deeper into the process and

736
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can let it go if

737
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: you will. But part of the problem is I don't

738
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: really know how I feel just yet, Like because I'm

739
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: trying to you know, I've talked a lot of them

740
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: live folks, and I see their point. Talk to a

741
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: lot of the tour folks, I see their point. So, UM,

742
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: I think being flexible in your opinion is a good

743
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: thing in our jobs. When once you once you once

744
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: you take a heartened stance, um, then you start tuning

745
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: out the other information. I mean, that's that's a problem

746
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: with the modern age, right is is everything is so polarizing,

747
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: and then you just seek out the information that reinforces

748
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: your point of view. And that's not my role here,

749
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm trying not to be in a bunker. Yeah.

750
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: That that is very well said, quick techual. Cool question

751
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: for Alan, very very well said. Do you think that, um,

752
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: do you think that sixteen events and sixty players is

753
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: where this thing is headed for year two? And then

754
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: beyond year two do you think you could go Do

755
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: you think both those numbers could go up as well?

756
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: I think they're committed to fourteen for next year. I

757
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: think there will be sixty players in that the same

758
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: They're going to try and hold the field at forty eight.

759
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: That's what they've committed to. But they're not gonna say

760
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: forty guys at every tournament. I mean you saw that. Um,

761
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: your players will get essentially traded and or demoted sixty

762
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: on the live roster, but only forty playing per event exactly,

763
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: so an event correct, still forty eight in the events.

764
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: But the player movement's gonna be interesting and you're seeing

765
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: it right now. Like, um, that was a subtext as

766
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: week in Miami is teams are trying to get locked

767
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: in for next year, but some of the players are

768
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: working both sides the street. Like obviously Taylor Gooch had

769
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: had a great success with the four Aces and they'd

770
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: like to have him back. I mean he's he's clearly

771
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: one of the best thirty or forty players in the world.

772
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: Even his world ranking says that. But he's getting he's

773
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: getting inquiries from other captains and they're trying to recruit him,

774
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: and um, so yeah, there'll be something that could really

775
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: be an implosion, that could be like super that could

776
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: be very compelling. Like you could have some like like

777
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: if you actually steal I mean not steel or trade

778
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: for sign whatever, like one of the players. There could

779
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: be some like true rivalries developed over time between like

780
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: say I can't I can't say these stupid names out

781
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: loud without laughing. But like the Nibblix steal somebody and

782
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: the four Aces are playing. I mean, it's so ridiculous

783
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: the names. But like you could you could create some true,

784
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: true true like uh, you know, hard feelings if you

785
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: take one or two of their players and then you

786
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: play in a match, you know later that's been that's

787
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: sort of part of their plan all along. Like it's

788
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: all been kumbaya this year because it's live against the

789
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: world and they all have each other's back, and I

790
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: think that's genuine. But it's gonna become there's some business

791
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: decisions are gonna start messing with that, and guys are

792
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna start looking out for themselves a little bit. And

793
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: they want to be on the winning team. They want

794
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: to be Pat Prez. They they'd love to be the

795
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: worst player on the winning team. Right, that's a good

796
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: place to be. Um. You know, some of these teams

797
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: never even sniffed a podium, and you know they want

798
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: to get struck. Begging them. I'm begging to live people

799
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: to change their names, begging it's gonna happen. I can't

800
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: say out loud niblicks one more time. I can't. I

801
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: just it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. This is

802
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: this has all been such a beta test, and next

803
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: year it's all gonna be baked out. They'll be new names,

804
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: new new merch new logos, different players on different teams,

805
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: and the players all have much more input, like they

806
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: had to launch with something, you know, and then players

807
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: kept coming online and players change teams, and so they

808
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: never really they never they never really dialed in all

809
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: the all the team names. I'm actually i'd never buy

810
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: anything in any golf tourmer I haven't spent my own

811
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: money on an item of apparel, probably since my first

812
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Masters was an intern. But I sort of have a

813
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: little regret that I didn't scoop up some of the

814
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: the live team merchandise because it's it's so funny and

815
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: and like campy. I should have I should have a

816
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: few of those hats to wear them around peoplen't even

817
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: know what it is, but those if you know, you know,

818
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: it would have been quite funny. But I never can.

819
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: Someone remind me. Hope my wife listens to all of

820
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: our podcast, but hopefully she doesn't listen this far in

821
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to buy a coffee cup at every place

822
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: that I visit for her, and I forgot Benon Dude.

823
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: So when we get off, please remind me to get

824
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: online and buy a Bannon Dude's coffee mug and send

825
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: it home and pretend like I bought it at the

826
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: course and head it chipped, and then we'll just keep

827
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: it between us and the ten people that listen to

828
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: this podcast. Is four Crushers? Is that one of the teams.

829
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: There are the Crushers, and there are the four races,

830
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: but there are not four Crushers. I only say this

831
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: because I'm looking on eBay right now. For seven dollars

832
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: and cents, it says here you can buy a Crusher's

833
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: team logo. Cool unique T shirt. Alright, next podcast, mixed podcast,

834
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: We're going to buy We're buying live merch for each

835
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: other and have to wear what we send each other. Okay,

836
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you my favorite team merch and then

837
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: you send me, and we're all going to have a

838
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: team and we'll break down the niblicks and the and

839
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: the Crushers and the whatever. The Crushers seem to be

840
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: the only people available on eBay. I kind of regret

841
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: not like just leaning into the bit and going to

842
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: every press conference and just hammering the players like do

843
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: you think that this course sets up well for the

844
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: Nibletis And just just like question after question like it

845
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been a great bit.

846
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: But Michael and Ryan, you just came back from Bannon

847
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: Dunes for the first time without a coffee mug. But

848
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: a lot of other thoughts. And um, let's talk about Bandon.

849
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: I've been blessed to go there now probably ten or

850
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: eleven times. And um, for two rookies, what did you

851
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: think of abandoned dudes? I will go first. It was

852
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unreal, um, and golf to me for

853
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: for me, and I appreciate that people want to play

854
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: very difficult golf courses and you can play these courses

855
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: very difficult, and we played it in very ideal weather conditions,

856
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: so it made it easier. I love the playability of

857
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: all the courses. I can take my buddies and we

858
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: can play the right teas who is going to shoot

859
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: a hundred and we don't have to look for golf

860
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: balls all day and he's not gonna be miserable. The

861
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: vibe is great, and I know we're gonna get to

862
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: our rankings. But my favorite part, my favorite course was

863
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: the part of three course. It's like a course I

864
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: could have in my backyard and play every single day,

865
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: Like I love it. I loved it. I could. You

866
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: could go out and drink some beers, play six sms,

867
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: play it difficult, play it easy. It's a great course.

868
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: It requires all the shots. It's laid back. I mean,

869
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: it was unreal. The place is unreal. I love the

870
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: I love the whole experience applying those courses. Uh, I

871
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: am so not interested in resort golf. When that guy

872
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: with the knickers comes running up to you and grabbing

873
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: the clubs from you because God forbid you should carry

874
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: your own This place is so not like that. You

875
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: have the feeling that's expensive and complicated. Actually, if you

876
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: get online and start looking at prices, you know, if

877
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: you're willing to play in you know, in cooler weather

878
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: or chance your weather, it's not expensive. You can carry

879
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: your own bag, you can stay at a motel down

880
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: the street, you can get a cheat time. Um, it's

881
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: loaded with charm, which you can't believe they could pull

882
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: that off with all the many holes that they have

883
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: their Uh. With the putting course and the part three

884
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: and the I guess it's five eighteen whole courses. Um,

885
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: the quality of the turf is outstanding to be that

886
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: near the ocean. Um in the United States, it's it's

887
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: it's incredible. I've been fortunate enough to play a lot

888
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: of golf as you have, Allen. We played a lot

889
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: of great golf together in Scotland and in the UK.

890
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: It's very similar to that experience. And um, it's not pretentious.

891
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: Uh I think it's brilliant. What what what Mike Kaiser

892
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: and in our for me if people have done there

893
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: and it's inspiring, and I would really urge people that

894
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of great places to go in this game.

895
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: But I know we have people who are really devoted,

896
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: uh to the game. And just for my own example,

897
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I was resistant, and uh I am sales resistant by nature,

898
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: and uh I was overwhelmed by just the joy of

899
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: the golf experience there. Yeah, that's beautifully sad. You know

900
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: how I always say it's hard to follow up people.

901
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: Thank god I went first. You know, like, did you

902
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: hear that? Fucking I've only said f ford one time?

903
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Did you hear that. I mean,

904
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: thank god I went first. Like this guy, I was

905
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it's great. I was like, I like

906
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: the part three because I can smoke pot on it,

907
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: and he just went into this wonderful soliloquy of how

908
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: wonderful it was. I mean, Jesus, thank god I went

909
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: first in that scenario. Indeed, yeah, it is special. I mean,

910
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure both of you guys have people hit you up.

911
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: And because I have been lucky to travel a lot

912
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: of places and they ask where Buddy's trip, where should

913
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: I go, It's like it's it's not even close. Obviously,

914
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: I live in the Pebble Beach area, and uh, these

915
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: courses are very dear to me. But it's a completely

916
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: different experience. And if you don't have access to the

917
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: private clubs here, you know, you have Pebble Beach Golf

918
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: Links and you have Spyglass Hill, and then it's a

919
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: pretty steep fall off for your third course. I guess

920
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: possit Tampa if you want to drive an hour, but

921
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, pine Hurst has is loaded with charm and

922
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: I love Tobacco Road if you willing to drive twenty minutes,

923
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: But um, I mean the four courses at Bannon and

924
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: Old Mac is is more polarizing. We don't even play

925
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: it on this trips. You guys didn't see it, but

926
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: the top four for most of us are just so

927
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: incredibly good and the logistics are so easy. Like we had,

928
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, we had these Irish guys who were abandoned

929
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: for the first time, which is a hell of a

930
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: long trip. And credit to um to Marty Carr for

931
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: making the trip killing no doubt had been there before,

932
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 1: but as Marty's first time, and you know he runs

933
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: a travel business car golf over over An Ireland in

934
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: the UK, and so he's seen it all. And you know,

935
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: Marty was just completely blown away, like like like especially

936
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: you Michael and and and Ryan, and it was just, um,

937
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: there's the ease of it all because we were saying, like, okay,

938
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: we go to south If we go to Southwest Ireland

939
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: to play a tournament like this, I mean, you know,

940
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: from Waterville to tow the Hinges in Valley Bunny and

941
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: it's it's two hours and you probably have to sleep

942
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: somewhere else that night. And um, so you know, when

943
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: you go on down the list of all the great

944
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: destinations in the world, there's nothing like Bandon from the quality,

945
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: the quantity, and the ease and and then every every

946
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: detail you know, like the Saturday night where it sitting

947
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: at the fire pit in these you know, these hundred

948
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: foot tall trees and um, if you if someone's hungry,

949
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: you order pizza, they bring a pizza, and you around

950
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: a beer, they'll bring a beer. And it's just everything

951
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: is um. It is just is so well thought out

952
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: and so service oriented without as you say, Michael, being

953
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: over the top. So it is. It is really special.

954
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: And I would just add to to Ryan's point, and

955
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: I know people won't do it. I'm suggesting I would

956
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: actually really do it. Just play from the teas that

957
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: are gonna They're going to make the course playable and

958
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: fun for you, where you can find your golf ball

959
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: and the hole is too tight for you to hit

960
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: driver and in the goals to find your book for

961
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: that one hole. Just move up at tea and others.

962
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: Don't worry about all these U. SJ. Regulations or whatever else.

963
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I think Bandoned think one other time I went, I

964
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: found I found that the Doe course too difficult, and

965
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: I think it was poor weather and the rest this

966
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: year we played it very short. It was it was

967
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: very playable. Um. But golf is supposed to have pleasure

968
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: to our lives and a big starting point for that

969
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: is playing from the right tea for that hole, uh,

970
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: in that wind condition. So go you know to agree

971
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: that people now golf rs are rules followers, and I

972
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: know it's hard for people to do what I'm suggesting,

973
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: but I really do mean, well, we we play the

974
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: green teas, so that that's you know, sixty two six

975
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: yards um, maybe sixty four um my pack, but that

976
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: that's a nice number. And we didn't have a lot

977
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: of wind. You know, we used to we used to play.

978
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: So we're all there for the Uncle Tony Invitational. Shout

979
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: out to Imaginella, who's been doing it for close to

980
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: a decade now and it runs so efficiently. He's got

981
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: it really dialed in, and he's already planning the two thousand,

982
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: twenty four Uncle Tony Invitational. Not Evenson has already planned

983
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: like it. The amount of care he puts into it

984
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: is remarkable and um. But yeah, so there's a lot

985
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: of excellent golfers who are part of that crew, and

986
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: we could play the blacks um and those courses would

987
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: be a lot harder, but it wouldn't be as much fun.

988
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: And you abandoned it gives it takes away. I mean

989
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: you can make birdies out there for sure, especially you know,

990
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: we used to play in in July when there's a

991
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: lot windier and and the greens were plenty. You know,

992
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: when you you're playing, you're playing the fifth hole at

993
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Bandon Dunes and the twin on our wind. I mean

994
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: it's like driver three wood and you gotta thread it

995
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: through those dunes. I mean, um, that's that's a big gask.

996
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: And so you know you're right, Michael. Like part of

997
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: its charm, is it they the courses don't beat you up. Um, now,

998
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: you hit a bad shot, you can be severely punished,

999
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: but that's also part of what the game's about. But

1000
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: you can score and um yeah, and that that's important

1001
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: because you don't want to. It's hard to get there.

1002
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: I mean it is, no matter where you're coming from.

1003
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: And you guys coming from Philly, coming from from you know,

1004
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: essentially Chicago Airport. I mean those are those are tough

1005
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: travel days. But uh so you don't want to get

1006
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: there and just get punched in the nose over and

1007
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: over like you want to you want to hit some

1008
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: shots and you want to feel like you can play

1009
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: the golf course. And I think from the green teas

1010
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: that that's always the case. Right, quick question, right what

1011
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: what part five? Was it when you hit driver for

1012
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: iron whole high at the at the first course? Was

1013
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: that nine? No? No, that was sixteen on Trails up Hill? Yeah,

1014
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: big power, big power. Yeah. I thought you were in

1015
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: a tiny little bunker shot. Oh that that bunker shot

1016
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: was Yeah, you gotta made what did you not hit

1017
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: that ball hole high? That foreign? Yeah, but in a

1018
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: bunker and then I had a little tight little thing.

1019
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's do a whole pot on that

1020
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: whole because that was pretty good. Yeah, it just drifted

1021
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: left on the wind. He was in the he was

1022
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: pin high, Michael, but that was it was like ten

1023
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: ft and then and then and then he got up

1024
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: and down out of the trap. Yeah for a four. Yeah,

1025
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: hited to it like a foot and a half. I remember,

1026
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: I remember it. Ryan, even Iran. Yeah, we played together

1027
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: the first D eight Trails and Ryan and his partner

1028
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: killing no doubt, who's uh, this it's just absolutely from

1029
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 1: du just wonderfully insane very successful in as a maker

1030
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: of medical devices. But you put on the golf course

1031
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: and he's just he's a little terrier, and he's just

1032
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: full of life and energy and really fun to play

1033
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: with and a very I'd like to publicly apologize for

1034
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: the for the letdown on the final day. I played

1035
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: some of the best golf I've played in my adult

1036
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: life the first three days, and probably one of the

1037
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: worst rounds of my adult life the last round on

1038
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: the last hole at two sixty out and a part

1039
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: five with a shot. All I had to do was

1040
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: make a regular part in a par five and we

1041
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: are in the playoff, and I fanned a three would

1042
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: so far right that my caddy, who was very, very good,

1043
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: was like, there's no trouble on this whole I found. Yeah,

1044
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: that's how bad my three would was in the last Yeah,

1045
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: that's the eighteenth that abandoned dunes. And yeah, you just

1046
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: got played on the left side, right, And you'll know

1047
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: that in better next time. But what if all were

1048
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: those other guys on when we were coming up eighteen

1049
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: and they were yelling at each other, like the group

1050
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: on the green and the group they were they were

1051
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: at the preserve. Yeah, that was a funny moment. So

1052
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: we were we were playing eighteen. Michael is my partner

1053
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: and um and as you're as those have been abandoned, No,

1054
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: what separates you from the preserves about a hundred and

1055
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: fifty yard wide gulf, you know, of course essentially, and

1056
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: there was there was clearly a big buddy's trip playing

1057
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: the preserve and either I think there were six or

1058
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: eight sims in each group as we played, and they

1059
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: were on they were on consecutive holes, and they started

1060
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: shouting each other, um, and the guys played all the

1061
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: way back, you know, and they were so heated because

1062
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: I guess one of the groups wasn't playing the correct tease.

1063
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: But they were going back and forth and back with

1064
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: and it was like there was no like levity in

1065
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: their voices. They were serious, but it was so loud

1066
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: it was disturbing us. So finally I showered across the divide.

1067
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: I was like, guys, have fun, and one of the

1068
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: dude said thank you, like they just needed to hear it,

1069
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: like it just snapped him back into like that was

1070
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: the loudest argument on in golf course I've ever seen it.

1071
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: Think some really urban munis where guys will go at it,

1072
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: but later in the round I didn't. I couldn't hear,

1073
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: but I couldn't hear exactly what they were saying, but

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00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: you could tell that they were heated. You guys were

1075
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: close enough that you could hear words, but later in

1076
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: the round they were like yelling, you know, drunk and fun.

1077
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: So whatever you said, Alan was like, I'm not taking

1078
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: all the credit. They just came to their senses. But

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: it was really fun to watch you and Killing Ryan

1080
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: because we played that first day at Trails and you

1081
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: guys played your butts off and so yeah, I mean,

1082
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: you came up one shot short, but it's just fun

1083
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: to be in the mix. And it really I've been there.

1084
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: I said this to my to Mark. I was like,

1085
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: I never thought like it was fun to feel disappointed,

1086
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Like I didn't think I cared,

1087
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: and I was like I was genuinely piste off for

1088
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: a minute and like you know, and it's like meaningless

1089
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: and then obviously it's meaningless, but like it was felt

1090
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: good to be disap pointed, if that made sense. I

1091
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: just want to say this because I talked to Killing

1092
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 1: about this, because I've had a couple of times where

1093
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: we were we had not Michael, another partner, we had

1094
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: a chance to win, to win the Uncle Tony. And

1095
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: we do welcome the U T I jokes, um, because

1096
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: those are the initials. And we came. You know, we

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01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: lost the playoff. We we finished one shot out of

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01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: a playoff another time. And like the nerves you feel

1099
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: on those closing holes, the adrenaline, it's almost impossible to

1100
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: replicate that in adult life. I means how I used

1101
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: to feel like playing high school basketball. But you know

1102
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: that just that incredible intensity and wanting it so much

1103
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: and having to control all the the flood of uh

1104
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: different substances are released by your body, the serotonin, the testosterone,

1105
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: the adrenaline and have to execute shots and not wanting

1106
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: to let your partner down. And I mean, yes, beyond

1107
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: our little group, nobody really cares. But the rest of

1108
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: us care so deeply. And that's why it's so great

1109
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: about golf, as you can actually have that feeling like

1110
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: and I can play pick up basketball at the y

1111
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: m c A. And you're not gonna have that adrenaline

1112
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: and um, you know, maybe if you if you're a

1113
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: stockbroker and you're betting your mortgage on something you you'll

1114
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: have that if you're a degenerate gambler who's got a

1115
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in the super Bowl. Maybe, but um,

1116
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: it's really hard to to buy that feeling as as

1117
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: an adult out of organized sports. And um, that's one

1118
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: of the things that makes golf so great is you

1119
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: can get so lost in it that it means the

1120
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: world to you for for and um, it's really one

1121
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: of the pleasures of that of that tournament. And in

1122
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: tournament you play with your friends. All right, can we

1123
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: do what you want to do? Just a top and

1124
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: a bottom? No? No, yeah, So just to reiterate for

1125
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: the purpose of this, you guys didn't didn't get to

1126
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: see old McDonald, So, um, do your top five, Just

1127
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: do your top four. We know you both love the

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01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: Preserve the part three your course, like given, everyone loves

1129
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 1: the Preserve, but it's slightly different. So we're gonna say

1130
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: the Preserve is one of the greatest experiences in golf.

1131
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: But just give us one through four on the other

1132
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: could I just offer one thing the way I'm looking

1133
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: at this and if you guys, you guys, look at

1134
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: it anyway you wish. I'm saying, if you had one

1135
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: day to play one course all day and you could

1136
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: only choose one, which would it be. That's the definition, Sean.

1137
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: You've been going in. Okay, I'm taking Sheep's Ranch first,

1138
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: the Part three course, second, Bandon Dunes, the original course, third,

1139
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: Specific Dunes, fourth Bandon Trails. Five. It's crazy. It's called

1140
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Bandon Trails five. That's the core crunch of course. It's

1141
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful courses in the world period.

1142
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: And I've had a great fortune played many, many, many

1143
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: great beautiful courses. But that's that's that's something in my five.

1144
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: I am going see Branch first, by a long shot,

1145
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: By a long shot. They're all great. I'm just saying, like,

1146
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: clearly for me, number one of the long courses, the preservist,

1147
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: the one I would say is one if I if

1148
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: I had to rank it in there, um Bandon, Bandon Trails,

1149
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: Bandon Do, and Pacific is last. For me. It was wonderful,

1150
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: it's great, there's no complaints about it's just not It's

1151
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: just my last. And she branched again. Because you could

1152
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: play with anyone, you could play. You could take will

1153
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: Crop out there, who shot sixty four, and you could

1154
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: play the back tis, he could play the back teas,

1155
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: you could play the forward tease. You could have some

1156
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: sort of match. You could take your guy who shoots

1157
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: a hundred out there and not be looking for balls

1158
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: all day. There's no bunkers. It still has some difficulty

1159
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 1: to it despite being wide open. It's not like, of course,

1160
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: you can just go out and fire seventy every time.

1161
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: You can make it hard. If there's elements, it's hard.

1162
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's all of them that we played work great.

1163
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: That for me. She Branch was above as it can be.

1164
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: It's my clear number one. So so Ryan, if you could,

1165
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: you could go for a day. You'd rather play a

1166
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: sheep's ranch all day long than the Part three all

1167
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: day long. No, no, no, I'm alan put a asteri parte.

1168
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: That's fine. There's no rules to this, just as a

1169
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: side not I will not name names. But on the

1170
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: Part three course, we were playing eight sums and one

1171
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: of the players in the other foursome we're playing a

1172
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: four person scramble. One of the persons, one of the

1173
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: people in the other foursome offered some performance in Hampton

1174
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: Gummies that was anti performance and dancing, and I've never

1175
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: seen such good players such terrible shots when it was

1176
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: a scratch Goloffer who had three shanks dead shanks in

1177
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: a row. I mean, it's one of the challenges. One

1178
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: of the challenges of the t I is you have

1179
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: to it's gummy management. Um yeah, I mean, you gotta

1180
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: really know what you're doing. On the last day killing

1181
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: O dubbed My part was like, you know, do I

1182
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: have another drink? Do I have less drinks? Do I

1183
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: drink less? Do I not drink enough? You know, it's

1184
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a dicey bell curve. I would

1185
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: say for me, Bannon Dunes is number one. I just

1186
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: think the flow of that golf course is so wonderful.

1187
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: There's not a hole in there. I really don't love,

1188
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: even though the ones that kick my butt. Number two,

1189
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Trails. I think it's the most wondrous

1190
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: routing on the planet. It just you start in the dunes,

1191
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: then you're in the meadows, then you're you're in the forest,

1192
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: and then you're on this giant sand hill, and then

1193
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: you're back in you're back in the forest, and then

1194
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: you're in the dunes. You know, there's like I don't

1195
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: like the first hole. I don't really like the fourteenth hole,

1196
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: but um, I think the whole experiences is pretty magical. Um,

1197
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: then I would do sheep, and then I would do pack,

1198
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: which is amazing because Specific Dunes is in a lot

1199
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: of the top twenty or thirties and and all the

1200
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: one top one hundred rankings. I mean, it is a

1201
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: phenomenal golf course and there's so many great holes, but it, um,

1202
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: it just doesn't move me the same way. And I

1203
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: feel like for those who have been lucky enough to

1204
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: play it and they know, like incredible, that's you're you're

1205
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: playing along the ocean and there's that giant dude on

1206
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: your right. Once you make a right turn, you leave

1207
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: that hole. I think the finishes is a little underwhelming

1208
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: and so um. And in the wind it's a total

1209
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: bit so um to the point where it can it

1210
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: can really beat you up more than the others. I

1211
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: think the others are more playable in the wind. So

1212
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Think Pacific Dunes, which is one of the

1213
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: greatest golf course in the planet, somehow its number four

1214
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: in any ranking. But that's just that's just how I feel,

1215
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: And I mean that I love the Preserve as much

1216
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: as you guys do. But if I, if I had

1217
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: one day abandoned, I would want to play play the

1218
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: big courses. So reluctantly I'll put that fifth in this

1219
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: little ranking, but at the same time, I'd be happy

1220
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: to play that the rest of my life. And and

1221
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: so it's, um, it's quite And you know, next time, Michael,

1222
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: you need to play all Matt because you would appreciate it.

1223
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: It's kind of funky and I think you'd probably like

1224
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: it then most people do. And that finishes phenomenal. And

1225
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: the third hole you hitting over this dude with that

1226
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: famous tree, Like, well, if you put all Mac in

1227
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: any city in America, players would be they would be

1228
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: beside themselves with how great it is. So it's just

1229
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: it's tough company, man, it really is. But oh yeah,

1230
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: now Abandoned Dunes. What a place. And it's neat to

1231
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: that that camaraderie that we all felt and that that

1232
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: sense of adventure. I mean, it's like we we've talked

1233
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: about this many times as a podcast, but golf is

1234
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: just so special. You can't have that experience in any

1235
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: other sport. You just can't. And we're lucky that it's

1236
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: all part of our lives in such a big way. Agreed, Well,

1237
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: should we release should we release the listeners? I think

1238
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: it's probably that time. Um, but yeah, it's it's another

1239
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: another big week in golf and for the Fire Drill podcasts.

1240
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: Any parting thoughts where we go? I only said the

1241
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,439
Speaker 1: F word one time today, so all you people, let's

1242
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: say I swear too much. F No, I'm just kidding.

1243
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: Uh So, Michael and I had this conversation and it

1244
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: was like, you know, everyone, you don't want to lose

1245
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: who you are, so I do swear. I'll try to

1246
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: limit it to twenty five efforts per podcast going forward.

1247
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: You gotta be you Ryan. But you know, at the

1248
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: same time, I think Michael, I heard from some of

1249
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: our our Twitter followers and our our listeners, like, um,

1250
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: it has to be judicious in its use. You know,

1251
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: it loses its punch if you use it too much.

1252
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: So I think I mean you hung out with me out.

1253
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: I use it repeatedly as a lack of my known

1254
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: vocabulary and fils in everything. You can use it as

1255
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: a verb. But now, ma, just just be yourself, right

1256
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: and that's all we go. No, I'm just kidding. On

1257
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: that note, we're gonna close this Fire Drill Podcast. Thank

1258
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: you for listening. We appreciate you out there and um

1259
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: wherever you may be, and we will be back at

1260
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: it on Sunday nights um per usual again next week,

1261
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: but special circumstances this time. So I'm alan ship knuck.

1262
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: That was Ryan French and Michael Bamberger. Uh until we

1263
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Speaker 1: do this again. Thanks for listening. A bed big played

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Speaker 1: to win, made a fortune with my ship game. I

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Speaker 1: run the table, never thought I could fall. Then the

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Speaker 1: winter time hit me like a cannon ball, and now

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Speaker 1: I can't shake this losing the street. Every road I

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Speaker 1: take is a dead end stream. I got thoughts in

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Speaker 1: my head, can't get trying not to think what I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about that got thoughts in my head, can't get

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Speaker 1: him out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about

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