Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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Speaker 1: E dot com. Well, I'm gonna talk about first. I'm
Speaker 1: not even gonna introduce who's here, because I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about something that's such a I don't know how to
Speaker 1: put it. It's so sad and depressing as when I
Speaker 1: talk about it for a minute, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: put it behind us and we're gonna introduce who's here?
Speaker 1: Uh I somehow did you guys know? I didn't even
Speaker 1: know about this till Maggie Hudlow wrote about it it
Speaker 1: on our website. So Maggie Hudlow has a piece up
Speaker 1: on our website. Twenty year old face is involuntary manslaughter
Speaker 1: charge for duck hunting accident. This happened down to Wyoming
Speaker 1: on January twenty of last year. But I hadn't heard
Speaker 1: about it. These three friends go duck hunting. One of
Speaker 1: them had never been hunting, was interested in getting started
Speaker 1: in hunting. His friends invite him out to go hunting.
Speaker 1: H One of the kids has a you know, has
Speaker 1: an accident with his gun. It kills his buddy and
Speaker 1: now has is facing some serious charges. Student at the
Speaker 1: University of Wyoming. I lived up because a couple a
Speaker 1: couple of things. You know, we're hunting with the flying
Speaker 1: v guys, teohing, I'm looking at cow butties.
Speaker 3: I've never got the invite to go hunt with those guys.
Speaker 1: You weren't there hunting with them one time, chilling ones.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I hunted with them once. Anyways, they do this thing
Speaker 1: they do. They do when they're getting ready, when they
Speaker 1: set up and they're getting ready to hunt, they tell
Speaker 1: a story that almost makes you not want to hunt
Speaker 1: about duck blind safety. Like they're like, hey, I know
Speaker 1: everybody's having a good time, but before shooting light begins
Speaker 1: and before we pick up our shotguns, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a talk. And they do this every they sell me.
Speaker 1: They do it every time they hunt. And they tell
Speaker 1: a story about a death and a duck blind and
Speaker 1: uh and they would say, and none of those people
Speaker 1: ever hunted ever again with that right, Yeah, Oh it's sobering,
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to acknowledge it. I just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, for even the kid that
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this kid could fad. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying like I'm not criticizing prosecutors at all, but
Speaker 1: in this accident, a maximum penalty of twenty years in prison.
Speaker 1: Me like to go and put the emphasis on the
Speaker 1: person's in trouble. I'm not trying to do that. I mean,
Speaker 1: a kid died. It's just be careful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it has to be talked about because we
Speaker 3: talk about all the fun things and the food and
Speaker 3: in this case, the dogs. You know, it's like waterfowl
Speaker 3: huntings are great. It's also, you know, in my experience,
Speaker 3: like the place where accidents are going to happen. If
Speaker 3: I'm going to be got in such a way in
Speaker 3: the hunting world, it's not gonna be during archery season.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be during rightful season. It's going to
Speaker 3: be during waterfoul season. And it is the ultimate responsibility
Speaker 3: sport because a very simple mistake can result in the
Speaker 3: loss of a human life.
Speaker 1: Think about how familiar this sounds. This is according to
Speaker 1: the investigating officer. They're having a problem with one of
Speaker 1: their shotguns. They set the shotgun aside use the other shotgun.
Speaker 1: A while later, he returns to trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the hell's wrong with the shotgun.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and it is. That's that's the distraction, right,
Speaker 3: It's like it's no longer a gun. It becomes this
Speaker 3: issue within the thing, and then it's you're it's a distraction. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's terrible with that.
Speaker 1: Joined today by Chris Danny.
Speaker 5: Chris, I'm.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Make you coming after that? Uh, we're joined
Speaker 1: by a bunch of people. I gonna get there, but
Speaker 1: real quick. People are familiar with you.
Speaker 4: Now are they?
Speaker 1: They don't know it what they are. Where are you from?
Speaker 4: I'm from Little Rock, Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're uh when was it Krinn in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three? First off, Chris, I realized only recently you never.
Speaker 6: Know.
Speaker 1: You didn't know this. We tried really really hard, multiple
Speaker 1: times to license one of your songs for our podcast.
Speaker 4: M dude, Oh really it's I don't know why it
Speaker 4: was so hard to get a hold of me. I'm
Speaker 4: so really good on all that stuff. People thought I
Speaker 4: was dead recently.
Speaker 1: When you're If the Roses Don't Kill Us, am I
Speaker 1: saying that right?
Speaker 7: That's right, okay.
Speaker 1: When your album If the Roses Don't Kill Us came out,
Speaker 1: I've listened to that album like a million times.
Speaker 4: Awesome, a million times thank.
Speaker 1: You taste, loved it, loved it, loved it, liked everything
Speaker 1: about it. And one of the songs I liked the
Speaker 1: whole damn album. One of the songs I liked was uh,
Speaker 1: I like the happy and sad, so I liked all
Speaker 1: that shit. But ride On Okay became a favorite, and
Speaker 1: it became and I keep I've told this story before
Speaker 1: on the Show's At some point in time we had
Speaker 1: talked about, like now that the issue will come up
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it, talk about and talk about
Speaker 1: talking about it. Something's kind of coming in the news,
Speaker 1: and so now and then it's will struggle to put
Speaker 1: a thing to bed, uh huh. And I remember one time,
Speaker 1: like we had talked about a thing so much that
Speaker 1: someone said something like, uh, someone said, you know, we
Speaker 1: beat the horse to death, okay, And I said to
Speaker 1: a colleague, I'm like, hey, go try to get permission
Speaker 1: to use the song ride on, because in it, the
Speaker 1: point is we've done beat this damn horse to death
Speaker 1: this time to ride on. And so they come back
Speaker 1: and like, well, you know this, and that it requires
Speaker 1: us and that to license the song or not, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, okay, we're just gonna do it one time,
Speaker 1: but then it lives forever. So then it wound up
Speaker 1: being well, maybe we just have to license it for
Speaker 1: eternity or like some long period of time. And then
Speaker 1: we dropped it. And then later on I again said, man,
Speaker 1: we should try to go license the song right on,
Speaker 1: and eventually got a license, and I assumed that whoever
Speaker 1: was doing it was dealing with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well we had sort of a falling out. I've
Speaker 4: been hard to work with over the years, and so
Speaker 4: it just I just sort of just wasn't doing that anymore,
Speaker 4: and a lot of things just didn't work out the
Speaker 4: way I wanted. I said no to a bunch of
Speaker 4: things I probably should have said yes to, got it
Speaker 4: And anyways, this all ends up being me and my
Speaker 4: career are sort of strangers. And then I started playing
Speaker 4: in a bluegrass band called the gravel Yard, and I
Speaker 4: just really loved it because it really challenged me because
Speaker 4: that's a tough music to play. It's very fastes and
Speaker 4: it's just wild. And so I'm really glad I did
Speaker 4: that because it got me back into playing. And also
Speaker 4: I met Charlotte in the gravel Yard and started dating,
Speaker 4: so yeah, she's here with me. She has to keep
Speaker 4: me in line.
Speaker 1: But You've been a musician your whole life, right.
Speaker 4: I have been since. I actually have videos of me
Speaker 4: dressed up in a cowboy hat with feathers on it
Speaker 4: and my shirt tucked in and like alligator skin boots
Speaker 4: when I was like four years old, singing all the
Speaker 4: words to like pretty much every country's song that came
Speaker 4: on the radio, and I knew all the words, like
Speaker 4: it was crazy. I wanted to do it from the
Speaker 4: time I was really young. So it's it makes it
Speaker 4: that much more bittersweet sometimes that I've had this issue
Speaker 4: with keeping my career in check and it's just taking
Speaker 4: me a long time to mature. Honestly, I thought I
Speaker 4: knew a lot of things that I had no idea about,
Speaker 4: and there were other things I was so worried about
Speaker 4: that didn't really, they weren't that important to me as
Speaker 4: a person. They were just ego trip sort of things
Speaker 4: I was dealing with, you know, and worrying too much
Speaker 4: about how I looked doing what I was doing instead
Speaker 4: of what I was doing, you know, and the outcome
Speaker 4: of that being positive for my life. You know, a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't learn that sort of thing, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that are born just surviving,
Speaker 4: you know, And so it's just it's taking me a
Speaker 4: while to come around. You know, I got it.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna dig in on that. You're gonna play
Speaker 1: some music for us. Yeah, we're gonna talk about if
Speaker 1: the roses don't kill us. First, we all hear a
Speaker 1: cautionary tale about drinking with musicians.
Speaker 4: I've got some of those.
Speaker 1: Real quick. Tony Peterson is with us, Doctor Randall Chester Chili, Cal, Charlotte, Chili.
Speaker 1: We keep wanting to chili. Can you tell the cautionary
Speaker 1: tale about drinking? Set it up? Should I set it up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see that. Because you love this story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's my favorite. Now your story. So I don't
Speaker 1: know about that. Hold your guitar up, Hold your guitar up. Chili.
Speaker 1: So Uh. I only thought we're doing this only now
Speaker 1: because now and then we have musicians in so we
Speaker 1: so we had co Wetzel, We had co Wetzel on
Speaker 1: the show, and when he was in town to do
Speaker 1: the show, we went duck hunt and Chili thought it
Speaker 1: would be a good idea to go out drinking with
Speaker 1: those guys. They get to playing pool, and they get
Speaker 1: to bet, and then they get to drinking and eventually
Speaker 1: they start trading shotguns.
Speaker 8: In a nutshell, yeah, in a nutshell No. Actually, our
Speaker 8: lovely Carinn texted me and said, hey, you need to
Speaker 8: send We need to get these guys some some duck
Speaker 8: hunting stuff. And it was a Sunday Veterans Day weekend
Speaker 8: and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 8: And so I meet them at the local watering hole
Speaker 8: the Cat'spaw You're Mosman classic joint for those of you
Speaker 8: who don't know, and hand off the gear and they
Speaker 8: invite me to stay. The Cowboys were playing that night
Speaker 8: and they're all those boys from Texas. So but yeah,
Speaker 8: and you know, I had a few drinks. I would
Speaker 8: say it's more of a cautionary tale about just making
Speaker 8: making trades when you don't have what you want in hand.
Speaker 3: So anyways, you.
Speaker 8: Know, for the and then for those of you who
Speaker 8: don't know CO probably I think he CO plays with
Speaker 8: the Gibson like J forty five on stage or something
Speaker 8: like that. And he saw my shotgun in the back
Speaker 8: of my truck and I said, hey, you want trade,
Speaker 8: I'll take that one of your guitars that you play
Speaker 8: with on stage.
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, man, that's all right, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Let's do that and tell the shotgun your head.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The shotgun I was running at the time was a
Speaker 8: Frankie twelve gage. I was actually the first shotgun I
Speaker 8: ever purchased, like me personally, well, like I went.
Speaker 1: Some kind of hand me down or whatever.
Speaker 8: No, no, I went to Shields there in South Dakota
Speaker 8: and I bought it and that was like that was mine. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and then you derived in life. Yeah, I had made it.
Speaker 8: I think it was my eighteenth birthday. Brought some scratch offs,
Speaker 8: some cigars, and a shotgun, joined the Marines and then yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The American way trying to bring your shotgun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't left.
Speaker 8: But yeah, and so well, so we agree, and you know,
Speaker 8: it's just a shotgun. I guess it's not super important,
Speaker 8: but I was excited to get potentially like the Gibson
Speaker 8: J forty five.
Speaker 3: Really nice guitar.
Speaker 1: Or something, or just something something that's not this thing.
Speaker 10: Well you got something.
Speaker 3: So you're saying as as you guys.
Speaker 1: Not watching, for everybody not watching on our YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: it's uh when he when he says something he's got
Speaker 1: a guitar, and what's that on hundred fifty doar guitar? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's about about with a big picture of licking his
Speaker 1: fingers his finger. Yeah, he's staring at licking off his finger.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's also that kind of photography with a hard shadow
Speaker 4: in the background.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like too much primo. He also for those
Speaker 8: that are not watching the video, and even the ones
Speaker 8: that are, I probably can't see this, but for the
Speaker 8: nickname is c h I l l y always cold,
Speaker 8: always cold chili, Yes, and he likes He decided to
Speaker 8: spell it c h I l I So he likes
Speaker 8: like chili, like a bollet chill.
Speaker 4: You're too hot?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but really I think that upsets me. Oh
Speaker 8: and when he addressed it and he sent it to me,
Speaker 8: it said Aaron, which is obviously not my first name,
Speaker 8: and so.
Speaker 3: He's the type of guy who wants a dude licking
Speaker 3: his finger on his guitar, not a chili.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 11: I was so excited as I had just bought a
Speaker 11: D eighteen. Yeah, and we play together sometimes, so I
Speaker 11: was like, oh man, what's what's he going to send you?
Speaker 7: What's he going to send you?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 1: I know you're trying to spin this off as something
Speaker 1: other than the cautionary tale about drinking, but I think
Speaker 1: it's cautionary tear about drinking. Well, we'll let the we'll
Speaker 1: let the viewers decide what. I don't think they ever
Speaker 1: should have repealed prohibition. I really know. We you can
Speaker 1: get into that because a jump much money out of
Speaker 1: head if they hadn't, if they hadn't repealed prohibition, probably
Speaker 1: have more than you have now. I have more brain
Speaker 1: cells too, probably, and you'd have more more.
Speaker 3: Shot or a better guitar.
Speaker 8: But yeah, anyway, some months go by and like I
Speaker 8: don't get anything, and like I'm you know, I'm not
Speaker 8: worried about it. I'm just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 8: I'll take it for what it is. Maybe just chalk
Speaker 8: this up to as a loss and then and it's
Speaker 8: like six months go by and I finally get a
Speaker 8: guitar in the mail and it comes in a cardboard box.
Speaker 8: It doesn't look like it's in a hard case or
Speaker 8: anything like that, and I'm like, I'm not too excited
Speaker 8: about this, and uh so I opened it up and
Speaker 8: there's old Cole Wetzel licking ice cream off his finger
Speaker 8: or whatever, and.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ice cream.
Speaker 8: Well anyways, so that yeah, that's my story, and I,
Speaker 8: uh am I mad now now, I mean because.
Speaker 1: Think about the joy it's brought me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know everywhere we go, You're like, you know,
Speaker 7: let me, there's probably.
Speaker 1: So much joy. I'm already to buy you the shotgun
Speaker 1: because I don't drink, so I have a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I'm already to buy you the shotgun that did, or
Speaker 1: buy you the guitar you wanted, just because I like
Speaker 1: telling the story about that guitar so much. I've gotten
Speaker 1: I've got a thousand bucks out of pleasure out of that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, six months from now, get a picture of Steve
Speaker 8: locking his.
Speaker 1: Finger on the guitar.
Speaker 6: Chilli.
Speaker 1: When that thing in my locking finger picture, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a look up this is a look of satisfaction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a look of like.
Speaker 10: When you opened the box and saw that, did you
Speaker 10: pick it up and strum it as you would, I
Speaker 10: assume any other guitar in the world, or did you
Speaker 10: just slide it back down into the box.
Speaker 3: No, I can honestly say I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't tune this guitar until Chester is over at
Speaker 8: my place about two weeks ago. I've had this guitar
Speaker 8: for probably over a year and a half.
Speaker 3: Now, well, we tried to.
Speaker 8: We tried and it didn't work, and like then I
Speaker 8: tried again. Yeah, it's just like.
Speaker 1: Chili, play a couple of licks on air. Just sing
Speaker 1: your favorite song, something you wrote. It's gonna be something
Speaker 1: you wrote. Oh I love Chili's voice. This is not
Speaker 1: a good guitar to do this. Hun First, lick your finger.
Speaker 1: Maybe he cut his finger on the string and he's
Speaker 1: licking the blood off it.
Speaker 8: He's got a cocktail and I found out because one
Speaker 8: of his buddies moved up here, and uh, I was like, hey,
Speaker 8: you need to text co Wetzel and like say thanks
Speaker 8: for the guitar. Chili really likes it, and that's what
Speaker 8: he did, and co texted back and said that one
Speaker 8: of these guitars sold at auction for like thirty six k. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, huh, I don't know who would have
Speaker 8: bought that, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, quite.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean that's just a taste.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to christ Jenny. Do you let other
Speaker 1: people play guitar?
Speaker 4: Oh? Oh yeah, you can play.
Speaker 1: Just a little quick lick. Just want I want everybody see
Speaker 1: how talented Chili is. You should get a record deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: She might use it. That's sweet looking rig right there? Man,
Speaker 1: I like call the little black tear drops missing?
Speaker 3: Hey Chester, do you want to point your mic at
Speaker 3: the guitar a little bit?
Speaker 1: Strike? Play clear Tony Peters. In a minute, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about big box. So get ready, what are the
Speaker 1: words forgot him? Get a mouth on you. I can
Speaker 1: have a scene.
Speaker 2: As that guys watching you.
Speaker 1: On the big screen.
Speaker 7: Then we went had and drink.
Speaker 2: Up too.
Speaker 7: From man on a new and food.
Speaker 1: He's taking, ladies, so take me mad. I can't play
Speaker 1: it very well taken?
Speaker 12: Yeah, taking?
Speaker 8: But yeah that's it, Thank you man, Good work, Chili,
Speaker 8: It's great story.
Speaker 1: Put me on the spot, Ladies, gentlemen, Chili, Chili cheval
Speaker 1: What the hell is your last name? Cheval Art, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. Chi now yeah, all right, Tony Peterson Foundation's
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Speaker 1: right now, Tony Peterson just recently wrote an article for
Speaker 1: us and he's in He's in the room today instead
Speaker 1: of joining remote. Stop believing you live in a mature
Speaker 1: buck black hole. Everybody does. Everybody does, everybody does. You
Speaker 1: don't leave this true?
Speaker 13: No, I don't think it's true. Can I Can I
Speaker 13: say something? I want to give Corinna suggestion here. The
Speaker 13: more of these podcasts I do with you, I'm a
Speaker 13: little surprised he hasn't slipped some adderall into your coffee
Speaker 13: in the morning, just to keep you on the straight
Speaker 13: and narrow, because there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of I got a lot of jumping around, and.
Speaker 13: Now I'm just I'm kind of obsessed with the idea,
Speaker 13: not just in I mean I apply it to hunting, right.
Speaker 13: But everybody's like, oh, if I only lived in Iowa,
Speaker 13: i'd have big bucks, or if I only lived this place,
Speaker 13: or if I had this property, And I'm like, they're
Speaker 13: out there all over No, yeah they are. What did
Speaker 13: you kill an Oklahoma on public land down there?
Speaker 1: Nice little bark? Now?
Speaker 13: Do you think that most people hunting that public land
Speaker 13: would consider that a little buck?
Speaker 1: No? Right, that'd be a nice buck? Right? And how
Speaker 1: many people do you think you I was just trying
Speaker 1: to counter your argument. But adderall is of ADHD medication.
Speaker 1: The Mitchepburd joke where he he's not afflicted, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have ADHD, but his buddy he takes one of his
Speaker 1: buddies ADHD pills, and then he said. I spent the
Speaker 1: rest of the day thinking to myself, there's got to
Speaker 1: be more to that story. Anyways, go on, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all over it, but I feel like some places
Speaker 1: they're not though. But it's all relative, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, so we talk a lot like fishing six inch
Speaker 3: Brookie stream and then you get a seven inch brook drought, right,
Speaker 3: Holy cow, look at the size of this thing, right.
Speaker 13: Yeah, but I think in the white tail space, a
Speaker 13: lot of people sort of talk down on like if
Speaker 13: you take the Pope and young minimum hundred and twenty
Speaker 13: five inches for a typical, people will talk about like
Speaker 13: a little one hundred and twenty five inch or like
Speaker 13: a young like it's kind of like a they're kind
Speaker 13: of dismissive of it. Yeah, but I would bet that
Speaker 13: ninety nine percent of all deer hunters out there that
Speaker 13: see one hundred and twenty five incher walking down the trailer,
Speaker 13: like there's a big buck coming and I'm gonna sure,
Speaker 13: and it's that's not like that crazy of a bar
Speaker 13: to get to, and so so much of this is
Speaker 13: like just kind of in our heads, you know, like
Speaker 13: I know Chris is probably going to get into this,
Speaker 13: but I was. I was reading the story about you
Speaker 13: the Carencent out to us, and that kind of mentality
Speaker 13: sort of bleeds into all parts of our lives. Like
Speaker 13: you think, oh, I can't get sober, I'm wired wrong.
Speaker 13: It's like now you have this built an excuse to fail,
Speaker 13: you know, like I'm never going to kill a big
Speaker 13: buck because I don't live where they're at. And I
Speaker 13: think that's I think when you start with that mindset,
Speaker 13: you're just screwed because you've already given yourself an hop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the guy that wrote in that we
Speaker 1: always like to have a laugh about who wrote in
Speaker 1: a letter to us that was signed a piste off
Speaker 1: Michigan deer hunter, and it was it was that by
Speaker 1: the time the hunting season opens, all the big buck
Speaker 1: have been killed right by youth hunters right and crossbow
Speaker 1: hunters in whatever right, they're not there anymore. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's defeatist, right.
Speaker 13: It's easier to have a built in excuse for failure
Speaker 13: than to put in the work to get there, you know.
Speaker 13: I mean you see this a lot. You're seeing people,
Speaker 13: a lot of Colorado residents are really celebrating. The non
Speaker 13: residents are now in twenty twenty five and beyond, it's
Speaker 13: going to be all draw for ELK tags, you know,
Speaker 13: no more over the counter. And you see these guys
Speaker 13: who are like, you can't go out and kill a
Speaker 13: bowl on public land in and over the counter unit
Speaker 13: can do it? Too much pressure, too many non residents.
Speaker 13: And I go, there are people who drive in from
Speaker 13: Pennsylvania who do that, and you live there.
Speaker 1: But your idea knowing that but thousands right, yeah right.
Speaker 13: I've never had a bad hunt on a over the
Speaker 13: counter hunt on public land out there, It's all. I've
Speaker 13: always had opportunities. And I look at that and I go,
Speaker 13: the reason that you don't is because you've given yourself
Speaker 13: and out you're not going to put in the work.
Speaker 13: And that's just everybody nobody likes to hear. Tony Well,
Speaker 13: this is I get, dude, I get so fired up.
Speaker 13: You're gonna trigger me here here, cal I get so
Speaker 13: fired up about this resident non resident fighting thing where
Speaker 13: I never hear anybody say, wow, the pressure on public
Speaker 13: land is more than it was ten years ago. So
Speaker 13: I'm going to scout harder or or hunt mid October
Speaker 13: versus the rut whenever he's going to be there something
Speaker 13: like that. There's it's always like, can I take you
Speaker 13: out of the equation to make it easier for me?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And if things getting harder
Speaker 1: was a reason not to do things, then everybody would
Speaker 1: have quit hunting. Jim Bridger wouldn't have hunted, right, Bridger
Speaker 1: bitched about all the pressure, right, Jim Bridger bitched about
Speaker 1: all the pressure. Yeah, things aren't like they were well.
Speaker 13: Right, Yeah, people in the county now and staff four
Speaker 13: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean talk to the Blackfeet, right, see how
Speaker 1: they're feeling about pressure.
Speaker 13: Yeah, But it's it's just so easy for us to
Speaker 13: sort of, you know, just just believe that there's some
Speaker 13: other reason we can't do this, like it's out of
Speaker 13: our control to find this success or do whatever. And
Speaker 13: it's just like, well you were talking about playing guitar
Speaker 13: like that, that moment's passed for me in my life
Speaker 13: and I'm like, no, yep.
Speaker 1: Two moments passed for me.
Speaker 4: There will say this moment, well, my moment.
Speaker 1: To learn Spanish and my moment to learn how to
Speaker 1: play a guitar have passed.
Speaker 13: You could learn them both at the same time.
Speaker 1: Flamenco, something happened LaBamba.
Speaker 3: But I do have to say Steve has spent a
Speaker 3: remarkable amount of time in Mexico without really annoying any
Speaker 3: any Spanish.
Speaker 13: Hopes on my children, because in his head he's like,
Speaker 13: I'm done, I can't do that, that's past.
Speaker 3: He's compared, mentalized and moved on. It's like, Nope, don't.
Speaker 1: Know that I pinned all my hopes of my children.
Speaker 3: Tortilla. Give me some of that flat broad It's.
Speaker 11: Terrible, Like a stand up bass guy with those big
Speaker 11: fingers of yours.
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you what uh Tommy Ed's in
Speaker 1: the blue collar scholar and describing uh my fingers. I
Speaker 1: don't want to use a bad word. He basically has
Speaker 1: a fist full of packers. But use a dirty but
Speaker 1: use a naughty word. So it's yeah. So it's like
Speaker 1: a self help article that you wrote.
Speaker 13: Just a lot of the content we make is thinly
Speaker 13: veiled self help.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but but I'm hunted with you and I believe
Speaker 1: it because you are you are uh like not a
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say, like an optim You're
Speaker 1: an optimist, but but not you don't have you don't
Speaker 1: you don't have the rosy disposition, but you are like
Speaker 1: not taking no for an answer.
Speaker 7: That was a very pragmatic insult, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not like today's the day boys, anything
Speaker 1: could happen. Yeah, I mean, You're just gonna grind it
Speaker 1: out and there is no other way that ship is
Speaker 1: gonna go except that you're gonna do what needs to
Speaker 1: happen to make it happen. And like other conversations are
Speaker 1: not welcome. Well the scowl if need be with a
Speaker 1: scowl on your face.
Speaker 13: It just because I know, I know the process, you know.
Speaker 13: And I mean that's to be fair. That was not
Speaker 13: like a totally uh normal take on me, because I
Speaker 13: was I was taking my boss's bosses boss on a
Speaker 13: public land whitetail hunt. So I was stressed to no end.
Speaker 13: But honestly, it when I when I was a freelance
Speaker 13: writer way back in the day, and I was like,
Speaker 13: I'm going to focus on public land white tails because
Speaker 13: the magazine I was working at the time, everybody kept
Speaker 13: writing in there like I'm sick of the unrealistic stuff.
Speaker 13: You know, I don't know a thousand acres in southern Iowa,
Speaker 13: and I'm like, as kind of a no namer, I'm like,
Speaker 13: I'm going to go. I didn't have kids yet, I'm like,
Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'm gonna go after this hard. So many
Speaker 13: people told me you you'll never kill one big buck
Speaker 13: on public land ever, like you can't do it, you
Speaker 13: can't make a living at it. And you would hear
Speaker 13: this from state to state. Right you're going to Nebraska,
Speaker 13: talk to some dude at the gas station or whatever.
Speaker 13: It was always the same story. All the all the
Speaker 13: big ones are killed off, there's not enough public land
Speaker 13: in this state, whatever. And I would go out and
Speaker 13: have awesome hunts, just fun hunts where sometimes you'd kill
Speaker 13: big ones, and I was like, there's just so much
Speaker 13: of this, like these beliefs that just aren't true. But
Speaker 13: and you kind of figure out like our hunt where
Speaker 13: you're like, there's there's no path to success for me
Speaker 13: anyway other than just like you gotta figure it out
Speaker 13: and go every day and you got to use that
Speaker 13: time in between the CITs to scout like we did.
Speaker 13: But eventually they're gonna give you something to work with,
Speaker 13: you know, and there's gonna be nobody in that parking area,
Speaker 13: so you can go in there and it's just gonna
Speaker 13: line up. But it's stressful, you know, because the weather
Speaker 13: changes all that stuff. But it's like so possible. You
Speaker 13: just kind of gotta believe it.
Speaker 1: You did stuff that I wouldn't have done. Where he
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys ever heard the story.
Speaker 1: He kills we killed three deer out of a tree,
Speaker 1: a tree. He's he kills two out of a tree
Speaker 1: and sees a buck gets kind of bumped like we
Speaker 1: were in a nice buck shows up and bumps. I
Speaker 1: would have been like, dude, you killed two deer out
Speaker 1: of the tree and spook that buck. That place is done.
Speaker 1: And he's like, tomorrow, go back and do X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z, and I'm like, this is the dumbest thing
Speaker 1: in the world, and go back and here comes the
Speaker 1: couch just because the layout and whatever.
Speaker 13: You know, well, I mean, think about that that buck.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old.
Speaker 13: It is just nice, really nice buck for Oklahoma public Land.
Speaker 13: How many times do you think that deer has been bumped?
Speaker 1: And we were multiple times a day. I think, think
Speaker 1: about how I don't know about that multiple times a day.
Speaker 1: He's alarmed by.
Speaker 13: Something right, right, every day of his life in the season,
Speaker 13: he hears somebody part, watches somebody walk in, smells where
Speaker 13: they went through some some level of encounter with humans, right.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 1: Dog dude yelling at dog right, fishing guy, fishing farmer
Speaker 1: doing something.
Speaker 13: I mean, you know, yeah, they you're not going to
Speaker 13: shake him off their routine that way. And then if
Speaker 13: that deer had had looked up into the tree and sauce,
Speaker 13: we would have moved to that next spot down. But
Speaker 13: because we were down one hundred yards from the stand,
Speaker 13: gotten that deer and he walked up nine thirty in
Speaker 13: the morning, I'm like, this deer's he's just here, like
Speaker 13: he's close to where he wants to be moving. You know,
Speaker 13: it wasn't like first light, and he was trucking through
Speaker 13: and we hadn't hunted that place in an evening yet.
Speaker 13: And when I found it, I was like, this is
Speaker 13: gonna be like in my head, I'm like, when we
Speaker 13: sit here in the evening, it's gonna be good. I
Speaker 13: didn't know it would be as good in the morning. I
Speaker 13: thought it'd be pretty good. But it's just cool, man,
Speaker 13: And you know, people think you can't do that, and
Speaker 13: it's like.
Speaker 3: Well, the the comment of like, uh, not a monster,
Speaker 3: but I got a buck, right, like all the qualifiers
Speaker 3: that you hear throughout the season. The only response that
Speaker 3: anybody who hunts should give to anyone who says, oh,
Speaker 3: I got a deer should be great deer. Hey, if
Speaker 3: they're happy with it, you be happy with it. B
Speaker 3: If you'd say, oh, that's not a great deer, they're
Speaker 3: gonna think, oh, there must be bigger ones around and
Speaker 3: you're just shooting yourself in the foot anyway. So it's
Speaker 3: always a great deer. Yeah, And man, you shouldn't if
Speaker 3: you don't like it, why'd you shoot it?
Speaker 1: Right? That's a good point, right. Another article from our website,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like crazy. This is by Jordan Sillers,
Speaker 1: like an alarming string of animal moms attacking Coloraden's My
Speaker 1: nature is mad at Coloradin's May thirty, Elk attack, June
Speaker 1: third Elk attack, June seven, Elk attack, June seven deer
Speaker 1: attack think of that all in the same area. Well,
Speaker 1: it's all described out. But yeah, ungulates have had enough.
Speaker 1: Ungulates are up to here.
Speaker 13: There's like an aggression team.
Speaker 3: Well first, yeah, everybody's got.
Speaker 1: Are like chilly with that guitar? Had enough finger looking good?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we reported on this a whole bunch over
Speaker 1: the years. We haven't beat the horse of death. It's
Speaker 1: not time to ride on. Well, we reported on this
Speaker 1: a bunch. So the Macaw tribe in Washington years ago
Speaker 1: there was a big hubbloo. When how many years ago?
Speaker 1: Was it twenty five years ago? How is that really?
Speaker 1: I remember that like it was like true, I was
Speaker 1: like an adult when that happened twenty five years ago.
Speaker 1: I was an adult. Twenty five years ago. The Macaw
Speaker 1: tribe in Washington exercised their treaty rights and killed a
Speaker 1: grey whale. And they hadn't killed a grey whale since
Speaker 1: the twenties when grey whale population started to collapse. You
Speaker 1: can imagine how much news that made. You know, Alaskan
Speaker 1: traves have been hunting whales fairly consistency, consistently in another
Speaker 1: place too, but they hadn't done it in forever, and
Speaker 1: they did twenty five years ago, and it made tons
Speaker 1: of news. Everybode's pissed off. They ran into some problems
Speaker 1: they had. Part of the thing is, like you know,
Speaker 1: whale hunting is a huge part of their cultural identity
Speaker 1: and cultural heritage. But they had lost some of the
Speaker 1: skill set. So they got the gray whale, and I think,
Speaker 1: if I remember right, they ran up against time. Right,
Speaker 1: they're trying to process the whale. A lot of stuff
Speaker 1: spoiled before they could get it adequately addressed. They haven't
Speaker 1: killed one since they've been petitioning did they want to?
Speaker 1: They've been petitioning the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to
Speaker 1: give them permission to again go out and exercise their
Speaker 1: treaty right, and they have been again granted permission to
Speaker 1: go and resume very limited whaling. They're looking at doing
Speaker 1: what many are they looking to do?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 1: They've been granted so last time we talked about this,
Speaker 1: they were petitioning for a waiver under the Marine Mammal
Speaker 1: Protection Act of nineteen seventy two, and a judge just
Speaker 1: granted them a waiver under the Marine Mammal Protection Act
Speaker 1: and they will resume very limited whaling. Of how much.
Speaker 3: I want to say they can get some pinnipeds too.
Speaker 1: In the next decade, they're gonna hunt up twenty five
Speaker 1: They have permission to hunt or hunt up to twenty
Speaker 1: five whales. I find it like kind of surprising that
Speaker 1: they're even I find it a little bit surprising that
Speaker 1: the tribe has even been like waiting for formalized mission,
Speaker 1: that they even were willing to play such a protracted
Speaker 1: legal game because it's in their treaty right to do so.
Speaker 1: Historic like the they signed a treaty with the US
Speaker 1: government saying you have the right to do X, Y
Speaker 1: and z, and that they wilfully pulled away from that
Speaker 1: to wait for everything and not just to eventually say, well,
Speaker 1: sorry boys, but we're going right.
Speaker 3: Just in preservation of the culture would be reason enough.
Speaker 1: All the usual players are very upset about this.
Speaker 3: I believe they can. They can hunt sea lions too,
Speaker 3: I think so, which should make them a lot of
Speaker 3: people's friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: On the salmon fish and.
Speaker 1: A lot of salmon fisherm and be like, by god,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Exactly, why don't you get away while you're at it.
Speaker 1: So the Macaw tribe of Washington am I saying that right,
Speaker 1: Macaw Macau. I think so the macatribe of Washington set
Speaker 1: to resume whaling, and I think that would make them
Speaker 1: the only Lower forty eight, the only active whaling culture
Speaker 1: in the Lower forty eight. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta be the.
Speaker 3: First time around.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It was really interesting, as you'll recall, because there was
Speaker 3: like a lot of people who are just against whaling.
Speaker 3: But the way that they weighed in is by saying that, well,
Speaker 3: if this is a cultural thing, why are they using
Speaker 3: motor boats? Why are they you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Just saying, yeah, I know how you Indians are supposed
Speaker 1: to do things exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, just jacket.
Speaker 1: Yeah they killed they harpooned and killed it with a gun,
Speaker 1: and people like that's not what Indians do. I know
Speaker 1: all about Indians. Yeah, yeah, I know how they ought
Speaker 1: to hunt. I've seen the movies. God bless them in
Speaker 1: this case. I'm glad that it turned out the way
Speaker 1: that it did for the Macaw tribe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Chris danny Hey born in Arkansas. Did you grow up
Speaker 1: You grew up doing some.
Speaker 4: Fishing, Yeah, mostly trout fishing on the White River. Yeah,
Speaker 4: White River yeah, Jack's Resort, uh in Mountain View, Arkansas.
Speaker 4: My grandparents on my well, my my I was adopted
Speaker 4: by my uncle, my dad's brother, his wife, her parents,
Speaker 4: So my adopted grandparents. They lived there and I really
Speaker 4: struck a good relationship with him, and so I'd go
Speaker 4: spend sometimes there in the summer.
Speaker 1: Why were you adopted? How did it come to be
Speaker 1: that you were adopted by your uncle?
Speaker 4: Well, my dad he was a uh traveled a lot
Speaker 4: doing construction and uh. And my mom, Uh, she just
Speaker 4: wasn't real really that grown up when she had us,
Speaker 4: you know, so she just was just figuring herself out.
Speaker 4: I guess. Uh. So my uncle uh took took over
Speaker 4: guardianship of me.
Speaker 7: Those your dad's brother, Yeah, they just both.
Speaker 4: Were addicts and they both were just like I guess
Speaker 4: I kind of was like the parent in a way,
Speaker 4: like when I was young, I had to like kind
Speaker 4: of take care of them. They were they were a
Speaker 4: little bit out of control.
Speaker 1: So like partiers beyond partiers.
Speaker 4: They weren't together anymore either. Uh. I think that like
Speaker 4: my dad was probably like too controlling, and I think
Speaker 4: that my mom was wild, and I don't think that
Speaker 4: that was like a good mix.
Speaker 1: You still in touch those guys, so.
Speaker 4: No, actually I'm a orphan now. Both of them are
Speaker 4: passed away. Yeah, they're just seized. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How old we are they when they died?
Speaker 4: My mom was sixty two and my dad was fifty four.
Speaker 1: Actually, wow, did they die related to drugs and alcohol?
Speaker 4: Yeah? They both did. Yeah. My mom, bless her heart,
Speaker 4: had a real bad uh ending, but yeah, it was sad,
Speaker 4: but she was able to tell me she loved me
Speaker 4: before she passed away, and she was able to wait
Speaker 4: till I got there before she passed away, which was
Speaker 4: just they just couldn't even the doctor said, like, it
Speaker 4: was wild that she had consciousness when I got there,
Speaker 4: because she had waited because my sister had called me
Speaker 4: and she called my name out and I was able
Speaker 4: to just hold her watch she passed away.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So you did you guys grow up poor?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah we did.
Speaker 4: Uh. My dad made good money, but he uh, he
Speaker 4: liked gamble and he just he was just wild, you know.
Speaker 4: Uh so uh it was always like, you know, we
Speaker 4: lived a kind of a crazy life. You know. My
Speaker 4: mom taught me to kind of work the system.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Uh, when I was young, we had food stamps and
Speaker 4: and my dad uh uh you know, he he would
Speaker 4: work on the weekends doing side jobs. So he had
Speaker 4: a company he worked for, and it was just I
Speaker 4: don't know where all the money was going because they
Speaker 4: were making a lot of it, you know. But uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it was two different lives for me when
Speaker 4: I got adopted. I went from being able to do
Speaker 4: whatever I wanted whenever I wanted, uh, two you know,
Speaker 4: being basically like just there was so much authority being
Speaker 4: brought down on me so quick that I think I
Speaker 4: probably became worse.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I was really a kind of a good kid when
Speaker 4: I could do what I wanted. When I was told
Speaker 4: what not to do, I started to not like it.
Speaker 4: And my uncle and I had a really hard relationship
Speaker 4: because of that. But he is definitely like a father
Speaker 4: to me, meaning you know, I love him, uh and
Speaker 4: his approval means a lot to me. But I gets
Speaker 4: on my nerves.
Speaker 3: Chris, Oh for sure. How old were you when you
Speaker 3: when the structure change happened.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a crucial time. I was like eleven going
Speaker 4: on twelve, while so I was just about to start
Speaker 4: going through puberty, which happened really quick for me. I was.
Speaker 4: I was obese child. I was a huge kid, was
Speaker 4: about four foot tall and I weighed one hundred and
Speaker 4: probably sixty pounds. And then the next year in seventh grade,
Speaker 4: I was five foot nine. How tall I am now?
Speaker 4: And I weighed like one and girls, I was invisible
Speaker 4: up to that point. Then all of a sudden, it
Speaker 4: was like I was like good looking tall. I got
Speaker 4: to be tall for like a year or two. Never
Speaker 4: grew another inch. I never grew another inch.
Speaker 1: Everybody caught up to you and passed year.
Speaker 4: They just I mean, I was like, God, you do
Speaker 4: hate me. It's good to know at least you know
Speaker 4: he's there, you know.
Speaker 1: When uh get back into the how you were exposed
Speaker 1: a little bit of fishing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh uh. Well, you know, I really was one
Speaker 4: of those kids that was kind of always like looked
Speaker 4: at anything that was living and breathing and was real
Speaker 4: freaked out to hurt it in any way. You know,
Speaker 4: there's always been people that have I've sort of, you know,
Speaker 4: I am. I consider myself a Christian being, being from
Speaker 4: the Bible belt. It's just a path of least resistance, honestly,
Speaker 4: but I more believe in just God and I don't
Speaker 4: believe that anybody gets to decide all of the vocabulary
Speaker 4: that needs to be used or anything else particulars. I
Speaker 4: know that that's all sort of what that's saying. The
Speaker 4: devils in the details?
Speaker 3: You mean you don't have to understand Latin to understand God.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you do. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 4: I have to ask the Catholic Church and I'll get back.
Speaker 7: To your So.
Speaker 4: I felt really sort of weird about handling animals and
Speaker 4: fish and killing animals, but then as I got older,
Speaker 4: I sort of that became secondary to things I started
Speaker 4: to enjoy way, which were, like, you know, I got
Speaker 4: really into, uh, the lures because I'm a collector. I
Speaker 4: collect things, antiques, I love just my girlfriend would call
Speaker 4: me a order and we have to, like for her sanity,
Speaker 4: I have to. When we first moved in together, I
Speaker 4: had to basically just get rid of ninety percent of
Speaker 4: what I am. She won't say anything, but I can
Speaker 4: read it on her face and it's like she was like,
Speaker 4: what is And one of my friends actually said, your
Speaker 4: girlfriend's kind of a genius, isn't she? And I was like,
Speaker 4: why you say that she was? He was like, she
Speaker 4: doesn't really like having anything that She's like, it's just
Speaker 4: like cleared out, you know, like it's one or two
Speaker 4: things in there.
Speaker 1: And equated that intelligence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, and so what am I?
Speaker 14: You know, I like.
Speaker 4: Full of junk. There's you know, I mean, it's.
Speaker 3: What is the what's the collection that was the most.
Speaker 15: Oh my goodness. I don't know if I'm necessarily irked them,
Speaker 15: but there's what baseball cards everywhere? Yeah, stamps everywhere. One
Speaker 15: time we drove to Houston and back in one day
Speaker 15: to try to.
Speaker 4: I thought I had like I thought I had a stamp.
Speaker 15: From stamps that were with money.
Speaker 5: It didn't work out.
Speaker 7: It didn't work out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and more just became like Charlotte like basically paying
Speaker 4: to drive me down to Houston and and like me
Speaker 4: not even having and her being like you want to
Speaker 4: get some food and like maybe like gosh, she's a keeper,
Speaker 4: you know, she's a keeper. So but yeah, like lures,
Speaker 4: I'm very interested by that sort of thing. I really like.
Speaker 4: I like fish and lures a lot of it actually
Speaker 4: messing around with trying to to make some and so
Speaker 4: down there, Yeah, I will, I'll talk to you.
Speaker 1: So when you grew up on like the White River fishing.
Speaker 3: Were you like, were you fly fishing spinner?
Speaker 4: No, No, I never have done that. Actually, you know
Speaker 4: my old manager, uh JT. Van Zant, he's a he's
Speaker 4: a he's a big fisherman. Uh And he did a
Speaker 4: lot of fly fishing and stuff and told me it
Speaker 4: was great, you know, but it seemed like a lot
Speaker 4: of work to me.
Speaker 7: I'm your van Zant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was my manager for a while. He
Speaker 4: fired me, but he said I was too much like
Speaker 4: his dad, so like he sort of fired me.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's been on the show, has he Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah he knows me. He mentioned me to him, he'll
Speaker 4: get a grin on his face for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was my manager.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was a good guy.
Speaker 1: He's a fly fishing guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's great. Yeah, sure is. He should stick to
Speaker 4: that too.
Speaker 1: He was a manager.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he managed is what's that guy's name, the blue
Speaker 4: guy that does country sounds kind of like uh Waylon
Speaker 4: Jennings And he has a bluegrass album too. Stergel Simpson.
Speaker 4: He's his manager. He was at one point. What Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: he sure was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was your manager.
Speaker 4: He was my manager. He fired you for what he
Speaker 4: just being at just not doing my job, not doing
Speaker 4: my job, which is I was trying to get back
Speaker 4: there when I said that, thanks, but uh he was
Speaker 4: he was my yeah, he oh well i'll tell you
Speaker 4: what he's he did. He said that, he said, you know,
Speaker 4: you kind of scare me, and you remind me of
Speaker 4: my dad. You know, his dad was. It was a
Speaker 4: terrible addict, great songwriter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he wrote all the songs.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and uh last one of them like me.
Speaker 4: You know, he got famous, more famous after he passed away.
Speaker 4: Uh hint, hint, but yeah, he just I went on
Speaker 4: this tour and it was supposed to be sort of
Speaker 4: a comeback thing because I had had a falling out
Speaker 4: with my label. They wanted me to go to rehab basically,
Speaker 4: and uh, I just I went to that tour. I
Speaker 4: went to Little Rock, and I relapsed and I just
Speaker 4: got stuck there for five years. I swear it was
Speaker 4: five years later. I was sitting in jail cell and
Speaker 4: in uh Little Rock, Arkansas, and I'd been in there
Speaker 4: almost nine months, and I knew no one was gonna
Speaker 4: be getting me out, and uh that I that was it,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like things had to change
Speaker 4: when I came out of there, and they did, you know. Uh,
Speaker 4: So I was in there for a year and then
Speaker 4: I ended up going to rehab when I got out.
Speaker 1: Is this after if the roses don't kill us?
Speaker 4: It was, yeah, sure was yeah.
Speaker 1: And so what age you start drinking?
Speaker 4: Oh, drinking? I can't remember a time I didn't drink. No,
Speaker 4: I'm just as a little kid, probably probably young fourteen,
Speaker 4: actually probably fourteen. Uh it was Marijuana was the first
Speaker 4: thing I really enjoyed. Was like about twelve or so.
Speaker 4: I got into that and uh yeah, they were uh,
Speaker 4: but drinking for me was always sort of something I
Speaker 4: didn't like too much. I didn't like the idea of
Speaker 4: getting drunk and waking up and having all these problems,
Speaker 4: more problems than you had before you started drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because you don't know even and you feel like crap.
Speaker 4: You know, that's that wasn't my thing.
Speaker 1: So Randall's nodding his head down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been there.
Speaker 4: It's just you gotta be tough to do that all
Speaker 4: the time, you know. I guess I'm not that tough.
Speaker 1: But you got into weed.
Speaker 4: Young, oh yeah, I mean never got out of it.
Speaker 1: I was listening to a neuroscientist on Terry You ever
Speaker 1: hear of an interviewer named Terry Gross. She has a
Speaker 1: show called fresh Air. She was interviewing a neuroscientist, and
Speaker 1: the neuroscientist was talking about, like, it's kind of hard,
Speaker 1: not hard to explain, I want to take a ton
Speaker 1: of time to explain it. But if you drinking young,
Speaker 1: like drinking young makes alcoholics, you don't. She was talking about,
Speaker 1: there's not many drunks that start drinking as adults when
Speaker 1: you're when you're when I was a kid, like like
Speaker 1: booze was the thing in high school, junior high even, right,
Speaker 1: But it's it's that you start drinking young and your
Speaker 1: rewrites your brain chemistry, like it offsets what's normal. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: you don't find your sort of like baseline tolerances, your
Speaker 1: baseline happiness. You whack this whole thing out of and
Speaker 1: that gives you the drunks later. Yeah, if you go
Speaker 1: through if you go through maturity and go through adolescents,
Speaker 1: and you'd be like at thirty, you're like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have a drink, Dude, You're not gonna turn into a drunk. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it happens, but not like it does when
Speaker 1: you start at fifteen.
Speaker 4: That's true. And there's a belief in AA meetings, which
Speaker 4: I've gone to a lot of. There's a belief in
Speaker 4: there that people stop maturing emotionally when they start drinking.
Speaker 4: And I sort of believe that, because what are we
Speaker 4: trying to do if we're addicted, We're trying to cover
Speaker 4: something up. Most of the time, there's a way that
Speaker 4: we're feeling that's good that we like more than the
Speaker 4: way we feel so much that we'll keep doing that
Speaker 4: over and over, regardless of how much it's hurting us. Therefore,
Speaker 4: I do truly believe that we probably do emotionally stop
Speaker 4: maturing at that same time when we start reacting to everything,
Speaker 4: stop consciously things through. We're just like, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 4: to run to this thing, sort of like a rat
Speaker 4: stuck in a maze trying to get out. But then
Speaker 4: there's this thing that it likes. It just keeps going
Speaker 4: back to that, you know, And it'll go to that
Speaker 4: before we'll go to the door that's open, you know,
Speaker 4: and then it'll be closed by the time they go
Speaker 4: over there and do that. Because it's it's a reaction,
Speaker 4: it's and I don't know what it is about feeling good.
Speaker 4: You know that there's a Levon Helm song feeling good.
Speaker 4: All the money in the world spent on feeling good,
Speaker 4: and well, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, man, feels good to be feeling good again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a gooling too, It's one, yeah it is,
Speaker 4: but it's it's just, you know, I've been learning that,
Speaker 4: you know, my emotions are out of whack. I got
Speaker 4: I got to thinking about things. I started thinking, you know,
Speaker 4: look who I was raised by. God love them, I
Speaker 4: do love them, but they are crazy people. The two
Speaker 4: people that raised me were nuts, and so there's no
Speaker 4: way that I could have come out with all that
Speaker 4: much right. Like, you know, I was thinking I was
Speaker 4: right about everything, and I was mad at the world,
Speaker 4: and I had to go, you know, as possible that
Speaker 4: I don't know everything exactly, you know, like I think
Speaker 4: I do, and that maybe I'm wrong. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: the reason that these relationships, these you know, relationships with
Speaker 4: my family, you know, jobs, things like that, maybe there's
Speaker 4: a reason that I can't do this. And you know,
Speaker 4: it's part of me that immediately wants to be mad
Speaker 4: at the whole structure of life in society. Is it
Speaker 4: doesn't align with you know, mile upbringing and the things
Speaker 4: that I went through, and people just don't understand how
Speaker 4: bad I've had it, and you know what, they never
Speaker 4: really will actually, and so it's it's like I had
Speaker 4: to get to a place where I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna treat myself like shit anymore, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. It's like I wouldn't let other people treat
Speaker 4: me like that. I immediately flip out when someone you know,
Speaker 4: tries to treat me the way and then the way
Speaker 4: I treat myself. It's just like wow, you know. And
Speaker 4: those are moments that are hard to with, you know,
Speaker 4: like emotionally, they're they're hard because you realize you have
Speaker 4: really messed things up for where you want to be
Speaker 4: and where you are so far off that it's going
Speaker 4: to take a miracle to get you back on track.
Speaker 4: You feel that way. But life is good and that
Speaker 4: it is forgiving, and you know time can heal things,
Speaker 4: you know, and and you just kind of keep trying
Speaker 4: to do a little bit more right for yourself, good
Speaker 4: for yourself every day and you realize, again, okay, I'm
Speaker 4: right back where I should be. I like myself and
Speaker 4: the things that I had become insecure about those maybe
Speaker 4: are the best things about me as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: You know, when did you get serious about music?
Speaker 4: I've always been serious about it. That's that's what I
Speaker 4: meant earlier when I there's videos of me and my
Speaker 4: dad is putting a T shirt on me, and I said, no, sir,
Speaker 4: I'm not wearing no T shirt. And I put on
Speaker 4: the stress shirt and you see me tuck it in,
Speaker 4: and it was like I was like four years old,
Speaker 4: and it was like I was very serious about I'd
Speaker 4: make my whole family sit there and listen to me,
Speaker 4: and there's videos of me just singing. That's just what
Speaker 4: I wanted to do. I always took it seriously, and
Speaker 4: I knew when I left high school, i'd already been
Speaker 4: telling people that I was signed to a major record label.
Speaker 4: And when I left high school, I went to New York,
Speaker 4: and I actually before.
Speaker 1: Long, well, you were telling people that you were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was telling people that when I got out
Speaker 4: of school, i'd be going up there because I already
Speaker 4: had a record deal lined up. And I actually kind
Speaker 4: of like you were talking about, like positive thinking and
Speaker 4: positive putting out there in the world. I did that
Speaker 4: because before you know it, Atlantic Records was offering me
Speaker 4: a deal Rounder Records. I got plown to meet Rick Rubin.
Speaker 4: You know, I turned it all down, stayed with this
Speaker 4: little lab. I turned down a deal with Rick Rubin.
Speaker 4: Let me straighten that out. I turned down a deal
Speaker 4: with Atlantic and with Rounder because I had gotten on
Speaker 4: this label. They had assured me that there was money.
Speaker 4: I'd talked to their backer all these things, and then
Speaker 4: everything fell through right after that, and it just sent
Speaker 4: me into a whirlwind of just being pissed off and
Speaker 4: emotional depression, and like I just I couldn't trust anyone anymore.
Speaker 4: It all fell through. This guy was there, him and
Speaker 4: his brother, and they had the money. We were like
Speaker 4: a family, We were building a relationship. We were going
Speaker 4: to actually say no to a deal that really wasn't
Speaker 4: good for me because it was when the industry was
Speaker 4: coming out with three sixty deals, which meant they got
Speaker 4: part of your merch they got part of all these
Speaker 4: things they didn't have any business having. And so this
Speaker 4: was a deal for me. It felt right to stay
Speaker 4: where I was, you know. But it just his brother
Speaker 4: pulled all the funding and the money for it, and
Speaker 4: it just there was no I didn't know how to
Speaker 4: raise money at the time. That's not even where my
Speaker 4: head was, you know. I thought raising money was something
Speaker 4: that some other people did that I didn't get lucky
Speaker 4: enough to be that kind of person. I didn't realize,
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't use media and stuff like that
Speaker 4: very well, and so I couldn't do it. Now there's
Speaker 4: you know, a chance for me to to be able
Speaker 4: to raise money. Nowadays you can, you can do that,
Speaker 4: you know. And that's that's where I'm getting to a
Speaker 4: place in my life where I need to put out
Speaker 4: records and it's hard for me to work with other
Speaker 4: people because they always want to trying to change something
Speaker 4: because my voice is different, unique, and that's that's it.
Speaker 4: That's fine, and why why mess around with that, you know?
Speaker 1: And they want you to sing different?
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes yeah, people do. They they do, and I won't.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to, you know. It's just that would
Speaker 4: feel not wouldn't feel right to me to do that.
Speaker 1: So are you is that an ace card on your shoulder?
Speaker 1: You a gambler?
Speaker 4: Well, not a very good one. But I met a
Speaker 4: guy in San Francisco when I was out there living
Speaker 4: with my sister and he was a homeless guy. Man,
Speaker 4: I've just gotten a bunch of money for some songs
Speaker 4: that Marlborough was using. And I said, I want to.
Speaker 1: Hear about the tattoo. Explain that to me.
Speaker 4: Marlborough was doing some some songs online. They had this
Speaker 4: thing going.
Speaker 1: The cigarette place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, this is when he was responding to licensing music. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: different and so they give me a great meat eater
Speaker 3: Marlborough mix up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they've wont some of your songs with your voice?
Speaker 4: They did, Yeah, they did. They didn't need to ask
Speaker 4: me to sing different they want.
Speaker 1: And they were using in cigarette ads.
Speaker 4: No, sure, I would never do that. They were They
Speaker 4: were used in an actual campaign to get people to
Speaker 4: quit smoking. No, I'm just kidding. They were used on
Speaker 4: their website. They were just kind of promoting some bands
Speaker 4: in the towns they were from. It was just the
Speaker 4: thing they were doing that was kind of like the
Speaker 4: remember the Marlborough miles, remember that up and then.
Speaker 1: Go and get remember like remember camel box. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had those white sweats said camel down side of them
Speaker 1: from small ter Terrible.
Speaker 7: They were yellow though, with some sweats.
Speaker 4: Or a bag it's like you got your dad's backpack
Speaker 4: that he ordered from Marlborough. Miles going to poke holes
Speaker 4: in it so it's see through, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's that.
Speaker 1: No, just real quick. I don't mean to prive, but
Speaker 1: was that like a good chunk of change from Marlborough?
Speaker 4: Uh? I don't know. Is it two hundred thousand? No,
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. You know, it was like twenty grand.
Speaker 1: So you're sayways, you run into a homeless guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like I always wanted to get an
Speaker 4: ace up my sleeve, and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 4: let's go get that tattooed. And so we did. We
Speaker 4: went and got it, and uh, he got one and
Speaker 4: I got one, and he got his on his face.
Speaker 14: Sleep.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it was right above his eye, kind
Speaker 4: of like you know, Mike Tyson or something like that.
Speaker 4: That's when he got a spade on his face. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, yours is even a little honey ace up my sleeve.
Speaker 1: I think it's right here right in my forum.
Speaker 3: He's a short sleeve game.
Speaker 4: Obviously I would have been just as bad as him,
Speaker 4: and I got it up there.
Speaker 2: Probably got on his face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got it on his face.
Speaker 3: That's not how I expected this story to go.
Speaker 4: I didn't expect a lot of things that that guy
Speaker 4: was pretty wild.
Speaker 3: He was. He was the who did the tattoo. And
Speaker 3: when you first started the story, Oh no, then you
Speaker 3: treated him to a tattoo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, and he yeah, at the last minute
Speaker 4: he went to get it on his face and I
Speaker 4: almost said, hey, you know, that's not up your sleep.
Speaker 1: And when we got outside, he was, that's up your eye. Yes,
Speaker 1: What the hell was Krin saying about you hiking a
Speaker 1: bunch of peaks in Colorado's that your Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I didn't make that up. When I was younger,
Speaker 4: I went to a church in North Rock, Arkansas. UH
Speaker 4: and the pastor there was an outdoorsman, avid outdoorsman, so
Speaker 4: we uh we would do he had he was on
Speaker 4: a mission to do every fourteen thousand footer uh or
Speaker 4: twelve twelve thousand. He was on a mission to every
Speaker 4: twelve thousand footer and uh so summers we would uh
Speaker 4: go on some of those with him. I guess he
Speaker 4: wasn't going to stop for running the youth group, uh
Speaker 4: and he just decided to make his mission our mission.
Speaker 4: So we I was actually telling a story to Charlotte
Speaker 4: yesterday as we're at the hotel downtown that y'all put
Speaker 4: us up pins place. It's the Armory, you like, Yeah, yeah, dude, actually,
Speaker 4: uh they've rented me uh out and not rented. It's
Speaker 4: free but a Gibson. And they told me actually that
Speaker 4: I could bring it over here and play it, but
Speaker 4: I brought the next time.
Speaker 1: You want to play a Gibson, buddy, Yeah, sounds like
Speaker 1: you gotta get yourself down to the get a room
Speaker 1: at the Armory.
Speaker 3: I've been to the Army and they never offered me
Speaker 3: no gibs.
Speaker 4: You can get any kind that's in the case. You
Speaker 4: know in front of the hall they play music. Those
Speaker 4: four Gibsons in the case. You can rent any one
Speaker 4: of those.
Speaker 8: Well, if anyone's at the Army that's listening, you just
Speaker 8: bring Chili a guitar.
Speaker 1: Put you ask you bout climbing all those fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So you were Charlotte a story, Oh, Charlotte story.
Speaker 4: I was telling. Okay, I was telling Charlotte a story.
Speaker 4: But we were looking out the window of the Armory
Speaker 4: and I said, you see those big patches of ice
Speaker 4: that are up on the mountain, you know, I said.
Speaker 4: We rode one of those on a tarp with about
Speaker 4: seven people from youth group, and someone had a little
Speaker 4: poodle and they threw their dog in the air when
Speaker 4: they said abandoned, like because we were going to run
Speaker 4: into some rocks. I mean, we were fine, dude, and
Speaker 4: we were going to run into some rocks. And he
Speaker 4: just when he said abandoned, they just threw his poodle
Speaker 4: band and I was like, I just, you know, roll over,
Speaker 4: and I flipped and what stopped me was my face
Speaker 4: hitting the eyes so hard that it just finally flipped
Speaker 4: me over and I slid down. And then the guy,
Speaker 4: our preacher was like all right, sitting down.
Speaker 7: The other group.
Speaker 4: We were just like what the poodle did not like
Speaker 4: the rest of the trip with that poodle was definitely scarred.
Speaker 4: And I don't think it walked on its own again
Speaker 4: after that. I think it had like a little will
Speaker 4: thing it just gave us. It was not hiking though,
Speaker 4: and two people were like my ankle For like almost
Speaker 4: another week, several of us had to trade off carrying
Speaker 4: two full packs. Two packs up a mountain. We've been
Speaker 4: just trading that back and forth. It was like your
Speaker 4: ankle hurts so bad that you can't carry your bag
Speaker 4: at all for the week, the whole weeks, exactly, exactly, No,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm glad we got to help him,
Speaker 4: you know, with his mission to climb all those I
Speaker 4: had no idea I wanted to do that so badly
Speaker 4: when you were.
Speaker 1: Spending that time. So at that time, had you been
Speaker 1: had you already been exposed to drugs and alcohol?
Speaker 4: I had?
Speaker 12: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had.
Speaker 1: Well did you when you were like up in the
Speaker 1: hanging around on the mountains, okay, hiking the mountains, did
Speaker 1: you ever feel like did you ever get this feeling
Speaker 1: that there's these different paths you could take in life?
Speaker 1: And one hand would be that you kind of run
Speaker 1: around the mountains and be all healthy and you know, free, right,
Speaker 1: or on the other hand, you go down this path
Speaker 1: of like being a musician and boozing all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you feel like you had that there
Speaker 1: was a way to go in different directions?
Speaker 4: You know, I will say this, I did not feel
Speaker 4: torn ever that I wasn't being true to myself. I
Speaker 4: just felt like my value for myself was not very high.
Speaker 4: So so there.
Speaker 1: Was that change that changed your decision making processes, yes.
Speaker 4: And and and and and therefore now they're changed. I
Speaker 4: will say this, though, don't let anyone fool you. As
Speaker 4: you get older. Everyone at this table seems to know this,
Speaker 4: besides Charlotte. As you get older, you will definitely be
Speaker 4: at a place where, though you wish you would have
Speaker 4: asked yourself those questions, you wished you would be in
Speaker 4: a more healthy spot where you did care about yourself
Speaker 4: more and could that your value for yourself was higher.
Speaker 4: But for me, it wasn't very high. And I always
Speaker 4: thought that was for someone else. You know that I
Speaker 4: wasn't good enough for that. And yeah, I mean that
Speaker 4: really has to change. And you know, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people out there that have a real hard time
Speaker 4: making that sort of change on their own, and they
Speaker 4: do need people to care for them and love them.
Speaker 4: And I mean, to be honest with you, not to
Speaker 4: be too sappy, but you know, meeting Charlotte's like changed
Speaker 4: everything for me because after feeling so just like I
Speaker 4: messed everything up so bad, to have someone really good
Speaker 4: and positive in your life that cares about you, it
Speaker 4: can be the most important thing. So you can't give
Speaker 4: up on people you know.
Speaker 1: How'd you guys meet.
Speaker 4: We met playing in a band together. We play in
Speaker 4: this band called the gravel Yard and it's a bluegrass band.
Speaker 4: And Charlotte actually is has her masters in chamber music
Speaker 4: and uh what yeah, she's she's a she's special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlotte, Ita tell you something terrible. That's my least
Speaker 1: favorite kind of music, chamber music because you know that
Speaker 1: show on remember that show of performance today on NPR.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Like, if you listen to the news and
Speaker 1: also their likes time for performance today, I always be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready listening to the news and everything, and
Speaker 1: then cut into chamber music at ten am, and I'd
Speaker 1: be working away and I'd be liked damn it, and
Speaker 1: I started to take it out on chamber music. Well,
Speaker 1: let's do my master's degree.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 15: I went to the University of Michigan and an Arbor
Speaker 15: and I got actually two masters, one in chamber music
Speaker 15: and one in violin. And then I moved back. I'm
Speaker 15: from Arkansas and I moved back there.
Speaker 4: You're from Arkansas too, Oh shit, yeah, that makes him
Speaker 4: good down there.
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 11: Did you guys being from Arkansas do like the whole
Speaker 11: like fiddle camp thing growing up or any of that stuff.
Speaker 15: Oh, I did for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 15: I started playing violin when I was four, and then
Speaker 15: a few years later I started fiddling as well. And
Speaker 15: there were Yeah, there was camps and I actually taught
Speaker 15: at a fiddle camp in my hometown a couple of
Speaker 15: years with my teacher, Tim Trewick. And there's a you know,
Speaker 15: there's Mountain View, Arkansas. There's so much up there, and
Speaker 15: my grandparents lived in Calicar Rock, which was close, so
Speaker 15: we would go up there and go to the The
Speaker 15: people just jam on the square and there's a lot
Speaker 15: of music up there.
Speaker 16: Progress.
Speaker 1: What were your people, mountain people going back in time?
Speaker 15: I wish they were more than they were. We didn't
Speaker 15: grow up. I mean I kind of wish I grew
Speaker 15: up in Mountain View or something like that, but because
Speaker 15: I just loved it there so much, you know, and
Speaker 15: I've always loved being outdoors. And I don't know, but
Speaker 15: I grew up in near Little Rock.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, were you aware his music when you met him?
Speaker 15: No, I hadn't. I hadn't heard of him before, but
Speaker 15: I did stock him after we joined. So we met
Speaker 15: when we joined. When I joined the gravel Yard. He
Speaker 15: was already playing in it for a while, and I
Speaker 15: was just really excited to play with a bluegrass band.
Speaker 15: And but then yeah, I went and stocked him and
Speaker 15: saw all his old music. I was like, Wow, he
Speaker 15: has a really unique voice.
Speaker 1: Unique.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't listen anyway that tries to make you sing different.
Speaker 4: Man, Oh I don't. I just feel sorry for him.
Speaker 10: I can emphasize because people have been telling me to
Speaker 10: sing different my whole life. Yeah, but I actually should
Speaker 10: probably take that to heart.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying, Ran, You know, people
Speaker 1: tell me to sing different.
Speaker 10: Sorry, that didn't land.
Speaker 4: He sings. They're saying singing a different spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's what's that? You wrote all the music,
Speaker 1: you wrote all your stuff before. Do you write music
Speaker 1: now for the Graveyard? Are you the primary writer for Gravyard?
Speaker 16: No?
Speaker 4: No, no, now grave Yard. I haven't really written a
Speaker 4: whole lot for them. That's uh, that's not really the
Speaker 4: path I'm going down. I'm I'm I'm I'm writing for
Speaker 4: myself still. That's we do a lot of old time
Speaker 4: bluegrass stuff, some stuff. I released a couple of songs
Speaker 4: on an album with them called Strange Times and they
Speaker 4: had a different singer actually before, so I didn't come
Speaker 4: into the band until the Strange Times record. But uh,
Speaker 4: this whole thing with Christopher Denny, Uh, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: I've had I've had the songs for a long time.
Speaker 4: It's been a long time since I've done a record,
Speaker 4: and it's just a great time to uh do do
Speaker 4: a record and get come up with the money, and
Speaker 4: there's different avenues to do in that, and so that's
Speaker 4: that's kind of where I'm at now. But yeah, I've
Speaker 4: been writing my own stuff recently.
Speaker 3: How many stamps do you have to sell the cut
Speaker 3: a record?
Speaker 4: Oh? Uh, I mean apparently I don't know what's what.
Speaker 4: So this guy tells me, I don't know what's what?
Speaker 4: That that one would be on blue paper and have
Speaker 4: this many perforations.
Speaker 1: How much of a bummer if we have you play
Speaker 1: right on? Is it the super bummer that you can't
Speaker 1: play one of your new tunes? Do you guys know
Speaker 1: how to play your new tunes together?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: We we we know some new tunes.
Speaker 1: Can you do one? Can you do right on? And
Speaker 1: then do one of your new tunes?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally Yeah, And want chilly.
Speaker 1: To get your to back you up on that lick
Speaker 1: that finger licking.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, but we'll tune his guitar first, and.
Speaker 1: A thing doesn't that doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could play one right on and then we
Speaker 4: could do a tune. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You be able to play fiddle, You be able play
Speaker 1: fiddle on bolt these. But he's going to solo.
Speaker 2: On a couple.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's fine.
Speaker 1: Dude, I want to do it. Oh no, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's do let's get that.
Speaker 1: See this is all part of background because people people
Speaker 1: didn't know what the hell to make when we started
Speaker 1: using your son. People don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I read a lot of things online that were like,
Speaker 4: I thought that was a girl, and I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I did too for a while.
Speaker 1: Phil Ready, Oh man, you know, while he's tuning that up,
Speaker 1: my kids got so my kids got pet pigeons a
Speaker 1: week ago. It's amazing. They got those pigeons a week ago.
Speaker 1: They could they couldn't even stand up, you know they could,
Speaker 1: they couldn't ride, They couldn't move themselves. You had to
Speaker 1: manually move them from one place to the other. Those
Speaker 1: things not run all around the yard, and they are
Speaker 1: so imprinted on people. They think every single person is
Speaker 1: their mom. They followed the kids anywhere they go. Climb
Speaker 1: up on your feet. Dude, it's a wild little pet.
Speaker 1: I had them a long time ago, but I kind
Speaker 1: of forgot about all that.
Speaker 10: Is this making them reconsider the pigeon trapping business.
Speaker 1: They don't view it. I don't know. They sold forty
Speaker 1: five of them into like near certain death. They're able
Speaker 1: to hold that stinction. And he spent He gets to
Speaker 1: reading that one of his pigeons has a thing called canker. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a little sickness pigeons get. He spent. He spent
Speaker 1: twenty four dollars yesterday on medicine for the pigeon. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not putting money in these pigeons. So he sells
Speaker 1: pigeons at seventy He traded three and a half a
Speaker 1: piece and then spent twenty four bucks to medicate his
Speaker 1: other pigeon. I love it. It's just like in like
Speaker 1: however things play out in kids' heads. So funny, man,
Speaker 1: you ready.
Speaker 11: Yeah, what kind of guitar you got there?
Speaker 1: This is that's old ass guitar.
Speaker 4: Old old craftsman. Okay, old craftsman, it's a harmony.
Speaker 8: Do you want to trade?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he got.
Speaker 4: A J forty five.
Speaker 1: I'm excited, so you canna do right? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: And then you guys are gonna do a fiddle. You're
Speaker 1: gonna do some something with fiddle accompaniment. Yeah, yeah, for sure, everybody.
Speaker 1: Christopher Danny.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 5: H m.
Speaker 4: M.
Speaker 6: When we met, you thought that I was shined and
Speaker 6: the fine out the time you're ran to tell your
Speaker 6: mother your favorite color turned black. I walked through fire
Speaker 6: with my own kind of cross, tried to feel like.
Speaker 4: Jesus did.
Speaker 6: M hm, which is someone I can't forgive.
Speaker 16: M Ride on, Ride on, little daughter.
Speaker 6: I want to seal your gray hair shine like silver
Speaker 6: in the sun.
Speaker 16: Yeah, ride on, Ride on a long time, sweetheart. We
Speaker 16: done beat this damn horse today, So take a new
Speaker 16: one and ride on.
Speaker 9: Mm hm hm.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmmm.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 6: When you said you want it up, that's when I
Speaker 6: want it down. You saw nice t shades of ten
Speaker 6: on us all was brown. When you found that mo
Speaker 6: hoof for split, you know you beat it just like
Speaker 6: I can't. That's why it's time. M ride on, Ride on,
Speaker 6: little darling. Hold the seal, gray hair, shine like silver
Speaker 6: in the sun.
Speaker 16: M hm, ride on, Ride on a long.
Speaker 4: Time, sweetheart.
Speaker 16: We done beat this damn horse to death. So take
Speaker 16: your new one right on.
Speaker 4: Be help if I help, If I learned the chords
Speaker 4: to it?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: That's great, man. You guys. Are you guys here tonight?
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Yeah, you guys.
Speaker 1: Come over my house for dinner tonight. You tell my
Speaker 1: kids that's the dude who sings to ride on, so.
Speaker 5: That that'd be great.
Speaker 1: All right, what's next? So you're gonna get your fiddle out?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, this one it's gonna get good here. Hey,
Speaker 4: do you want to do Bigfoot's Real or do you
Speaker 4: want to play?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let's do that. When you want to just uh,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna. I'm gonna We're.
Speaker 10: Gonna bigfoots Real is very on brand for us, Big Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Can you do? Can you do? He's not real?
Speaker 4: This is r E E L.
Speaker 16: It's a type of.
Speaker 1: Like a Virginia.
Speaker 4: You're gonna play here over here?
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be bringing a post up?
Speaker 4: Oh no, let's just play there.
Speaker 3: Just relinquish the stage.
Speaker 4: Let's just do this. You can take she can take
Speaker 4: this one. I'm just she's playing guitar on this one.
Speaker 2: Son mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well let's just let's just do me then you
Speaker 4: and then just do the so part and do it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks, that's a good point.
Speaker 5: I love it already.
Speaker 4: Well this is this is instrumental, but if you want
Speaker 4: me to do one with singing, I can.
Speaker 7: No dudever hell you want?
Speaker 1: Oh you want Charlotte on that Mica genuine master's degree
Speaker 1: in fiddle plane.
Speaker 2: Text mes out.
Speaker 4: All right, whenever you all are ready.
Speaker 12: Mh I'm ready when you guys are ready.
Speaker 1: Thanks, man, that was great.
Speaker 4: Thanks, thanks for letting us do that after this.
Speaker 11: Would you guys want to jam to? Do you guys
Speaker 11: know whiskey before breakfast? I just tried to learn that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah there out.
Speaker 3: In the front.
Speaker 11: Ye see if I can do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, dude, thanks for coming out. Man.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm really glad to be here and uh uh
Speaker 4: uh just thank y'all.
Speaker 1: I want you to make more albums. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all about that.
Speaker 4: So it's so awesome. So I we freaked out and
Speaker 4: we were like, we've got to get this thing done
Speaker 4: because I had been taken so long to do this kickstarter,
Speaker 4: and so we we weren't sure. I had just assumed
Speaker 4: in my mind that we were shooting live today, and
Speaker 4: so we like went crazy getting this thing finished. And
Speaker 4: then find out I finally asked I finally actually asked
Speaker 4: Green when we were when this was going out. She said, oh,
Speaker 4: like a month or so.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, man, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of Yeah, I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of travels, so we got it's totally fine.
Speaker 4: But I just you should have been in our household
Speaker 4: two weeks ago. My hair was falling out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Charlotte's like, I don't know if I'm leaving him or not.
Speaker 4: So it's just, uh it's so we're so I'm raising
Speaker 4: money to do record. Uh yeah, I'm in a place
Speaker 4: now where I've got Charlotte's gonna help me. Uh. I've
Speaker 4: I've redone my business and I'm starting it uh fresh
Speaker 4: with her helping me. Uh to just she's just like
Speaker 4: I said, she's just my partner and keeps me in check.
Speaker 4: And so we're gonna try to put out this third record.
Speaker 4: You know, I've really I've been down through there with
Speaker 4: record labels. My brother, Drew Denny is his name. He
Speaker 4: actually heard my song on y'all show because he's an
Speaker 4: avid fan, avid listener, a big fan of So he
Speaker 4: calls me and he says, hey, your song is playing
Speaker 4: at the end of this podcast that I love. And
Speaker 4: I said, well, uh, that's news to.
Speaker 7: Me, so uh, paperwork.
Speaker 4: I've already seen it. I'm just kidding, no, but I
Speaker 4: think here's something that does happen when you let go
Speaker 4: of things in your world and you are succumbed to addiction.
Speaker 4: You lose track of taking care of the things you
Speaker 4: need to take care of, and people take advantage of you.
Speaker 4: And they do that because you leave yourself wide open
Speaker 4: to it. And I haven't received any kind of accounting
Speaker 4: or anything on my second record for anything. And this
Speaker 4: is not the only thing that I've heard about, you know,
Speaker 4: not to mention, not a dime from any Spotify songs anything.
Speaker 4: I have not seen a dime from that record since
Speaker 4: it came out. So it's not y'all, it's it's partly
Speaker 4: me and it's partly the business. It's not made up
Speaker 4: of honest people. I'm not calling them liars, but they're
Speaker 4: not going to come out and do the right thing
Speaker 4: by you, just for no good reason, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And so I'm doing a Kickstarter to be
Speaker 4: able to do this record and have some say in
Speaker 4: my career, in my life. I believe that that it's
Speaker 4: gonna happen. You know. It's Uh, the album is called
Speaker 4: Blue Jeans g E. N E S. Blue Jeans got
Speaker 4: It And that's gonna be the name for the kickstarter campaign.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna kick in on the Kickstarter.
Speaker 4: Oh well, thank.
Speaker 3: You, we can help kick off the Kickstarter.
Speaker 4: Well we we do appreciate that because uh, we're you know,
Speaker 4: and there's some some great things giving back to on there.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's not gonna be something that you
Speaker 4: just give money, and you know you'll be a part
Speaker 4: of making something happen that needed to happen for a
Speaker 4: long time. And it's gonna be my best record I've got.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 4: I can't remember Chad's last name, but he's the guy
Speaker 4: I worked with in Norman, Oklahoma at Black Watch Studios.
Speaker 4: He's gonna he's the guy I wanted to record it, y'all.
Speaker 4: When I went and recorded with him a few years ago,
Speaker 4: I thought to myself. This is about ten years ago.
Speaker 4: This guy is going to do big things and he's
Speaker 4: he's worked on like Kelly Clarkson albums. They fly them
Speaker 4: out to to mix. You know, he's just great. He's talented,
Speaker 4: and he's going to take on recording this and producing
Speaker 4: it if we come up with the money to do it, And.
Speaker 1: Well, how much money does it take to do something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: We're I think we're asking for like twenty five because
Speaker 4: we're I need I need money to run a press
Speaker 4: campaign for several months. That's important to me.
Speaker 1: So well, man, I'm glad you. I'm glad you sobered up.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't mind a little bit drinking, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're not drinking. Drinking. Well, he probably shuld stay away
Speaker 1: from any kind of drinking.
Speaker 16: I do. I do.
Speaker 4: JT knows that I don't need to drink, so he
Speaker 4: can he can tell you that.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, thanks so much for coming on.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: That means the world to me that you came out.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it a lot. Get to know you, love
Speaker 1: your love your music. I can't wait for you to
Speaker 1: make more. I'm glad you got cleaned up and didn't
Speaker 1: kill yourself.
Speaker 4: Yeah me too, all right, dude, thanks man, Thanks.
Speaker 1: All right, So how do they find the starter? One
Speaker 1: last time? How do you find a kickstarter?
Speaker 4: It's it's under it's gonna be Christopher Denny Blue, your
Speaker 4: last name d E n n y and it's a
Speaker 4: blue Jeans g E n E s like the genes
Speaker 4: you're born with and I was born with blue ones.
Speaker 4: And uh so it's gonna be the Blue Jeans album
Speaker 4: Christopher Denny a Kickstarter and then uh that yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's damn man.
Speaker 1: I'm glad for you. Thanks dude.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, also Christopher Denny's music page on Facebook, and
Speaker 4: then uh there's links there to Instagram and all that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sorry that I don't have the Instagram.
Speaker 4: But okay, thank you, thank you so much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: All right, keep it up, all right, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 14: On a seal gray shine like silver in the sun,
Speaker 14: ride ride, ride on along, sweetheart.
Speaker 9: We're done beat this damp horse to death, taking a
Speaker 9: new one and ride away. We're done beat this damn
Speaker 9: horse today, so take a new one and ride on