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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: E dot com. Well, I'm gonna talk about first. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even gonna introduce who's here, because I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about something that's such a I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: put it behind us and we're gonna introduce who's here?

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Speaker 1: Uh I somehow did you guys know? I didn't even

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Speaker 1: know about this till Maggie Hudlow wrote about it it

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Speaker 1: on our website. So Maggie Hudlow has a piece up

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Speaker 1: on our website. Twenty year old face is involuntary manslaughter

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Speaker 1: charge for duck hunting accident. This happened down to Wyoming

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Speaker 1: on January twenty of last year. But I hadn't heard

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Speaker 1: about it. These three friends go duck hunting. One of

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Speaker 1: University of Wyoming. I lived up because a couple a

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Speaker 3: I've never got the invite to go hunt with those guys.

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Speaker 1: You weren't there hunting with them one time, chilling ones.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 1: I hunted with them once. Anyways, they do this thing

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Speaker 1: set up and they're getting ready to hunt, they tell

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Speaker 1: and before we pick up our shotguns, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a talk. And they do this every they sell me.

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Speaker 1: They do it every time they hunt. And they tell

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Speaker 1: uh and they would say, and none of those people

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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to acknowledge it. I just yeah,

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Speaker 1: not saying like I'm not criticizing prosecutors at all, but

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Speaker 1: Me like to go and put the emphasis on the

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Speaker 1: a kid died. It's just be careful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it has to be talked about because we

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Speaker 3: in this case, the dogs. You know, it's like waterfowl

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Speaker 3: huntings are great. It's also, you know, in my experience,

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be during rightful season. It's going to

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Speaker 1: Think about how familiar this sounds. This is according to

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Speaker 1: the investigating officer. They're having a problem with one of

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, and it is. That's that's the distraction, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like it's no longer a gun. It becomes this

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Speaker 1: Joined today by Chris Danny.

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Speaker 5: Chris, I'm.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Make you coming after that? Uh, we're joined

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Speaker 1: by a bunch of people. I gonna get there, but

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Speaker 4: Now are they?

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Speaker 1: They don't know it what they are. Where are you from?

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Speaker 4: I'm from Little Rock, Little Rock, Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're uh when was it Krinn in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three? First off, Chris, I realized only recently you never.

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Speaker 6: Know.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know this. We tried really really hard, multiple

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Speaker 4: M dude, Oh really it's I don't know why it

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Speaker 1: When you're If the Roses Don't Kill Us, am I

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Speaker 7: That's right, okay.

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Speaker 1: When your album If the Roses Don't Kill Us came out,

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Speaker 1: I've listened to that album like a million times.

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Speaker 1: You taste, loved it, loved it, loved it, liked everything

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Speaker 1: that shit. But ride On Okay became a favorite, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we had sort of a falling out. I've

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Speaker 1: But You've been a musician your whole life, right.

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Speaker 4: I have been since. I actually have videos of me

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Speaker 4: dressed up in a cowboy hat with feathers on it

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Speaker 4: you know, And so it's just it's taking me a

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna dig in on that. You're gonna play

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Speaker 1: some music for us. Yeah, we're gonna talk about if

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Speaker 1: the roses don't kill us. First, we all hear a

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Speaker 4: I've got some of those.

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Speaker 1: Real quick. Tony Peterson is with us, Doctor Randall Chester Chili, Cal, Charlotte, Chili.

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Speaker 1: We keep wanting to chili. Can you tell the cautionary

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see that. Because you love this story. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: And so I meet them at the local watering hole

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Speaker 3: So anyways, you.

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Speaker 8: The shotgun I was running at the time was a

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Speaker 3: He's the type of guy who wants a dude licking

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Speaker 7: What's he going to send you?

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Speaker 1: Think about the joy it's brought me.

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Speaker 1: So much joy. I'm already to buy you the shotgun

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Speaker 1: I'm already to buy you the shotgun that did, or

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Speaker 8: Yeah, six months from now, get a picture of Steve

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Speaker 1: Finger on the guitar.

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Speaker 1: When that thing in my locking finger picture, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have a look up this is a look of satisfaction. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: When you opened the box and saw that, did you

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Speaker 3: No, I can honestly say I didn't.

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Speaker 8: I didn't tune this guitar until Chester is over at

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Speaker 3: Now, well, we tried to.

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Speaker 8: We tried and it didn't work, and like then I

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Speaker 1: Chili, play a couple of licks on air. Just sing

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Speaker 8: and I'm like, huh, I don't know who would have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, quite.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to christ Jenny. Do you let other

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Speaker 4: Oh? Oh yeah, you can play.

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Speaker 1: Just a little quick lick. Just want I want everybody see

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Speaker 1: She might use it. That's sweet looking rig right there? Man,

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Speaker 1: I like call the little black tear drops missing?

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Speaker 3: Hey Chester, do you want to point your mic at

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Speaker 1: Strike? Play clear Tony Peters. In a minute, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about big box. So get ready, what are the

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Speaker 1: words forgot him? Get a mouth on you. I can

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Speaker 2: As that guys watching you.

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Speaker 1: On the big screen.

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Speaker 7: Then we went had and drink.

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Speaker 1: He's taking, ladies, so take me mad. I can't play

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Speaker 1: it very well taken?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, taking?

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Speaker 8: But yeah that's it, Thank you man, Good work, Chili,

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Speaker 1: Put me on the spot, Ladies, gentlemen, Chili, Chili cheval

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Speaker 1: What the hell is your last name? Cheval Art, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Chi now yeah, all right, Tony Peterson Foundation's

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Speaker 1: podcast on Cal's feed. I got that. Oh you know

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Speaker 1: what else I forgot to say? Remember a minute going

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Speaker 1: to our podcast network YouTube channel. So are we still

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how advertising works.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh oh.

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Speaker 1: For the beginning of the rest of time or for

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Speaker 1: Chili's linger ficking good guitar, fingerlicking good guitar good. All

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Speaker 1: us and he's in He's in the room today instead

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Speaker 13: Now I'm just I'm kind of obsessed with the idea,

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Speaker 13: Do you think that most people hunting that public land

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Speaker 1: No? Right, that'd be a nice buck? Right? And how

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Speaker 13: It's like now you have this built an excuse to fail,

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Speaker 1: hunters in whatever right, they're not there anymore. Yeah, I

439
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: mean it's defeatist, right.

440
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 13: It's easier to have a built in excuse for failure

441
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 13: than to put in the work to get there, you know.

442
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 13: I mean you see this a lot. You're seeing people,

443
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 13: a lot of Colorado residents are really celebrating. The non

444
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 13: residents are now in twenty twenty five and beyond, it's

445
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 13: going to be all draw for ELK tags, you know,

446
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 13: no more over the counter. And you see these guys

447
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 13: who are like, you can't go out and kill a

448
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 13: bowl on public land in and over the counter unit

449
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 13: can do it? Too much pressure, too many non residents.

450
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 13: And I go, there are people who drive in from

451
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 13: Pennsylvania who do that, and you live there.

452
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: But your idea knowing that but thousands right, yeah right.

453
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 13: I've never had a bad hunt on a over the

454
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 13: counter hunt on public land out there, It's all. I've

455
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 13: always had opportunities. And I look at that and I go,

456
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 13: the reason that you don't is because you've given yourself

457
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 13: and out you're not going to put in the work.

458
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 13: And that's just everybody nobody likes to hear. Tony Well,

459
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 13: this is I get, dude, I get so fired up.

460
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 13: You're gonna trigger me here here, cal I get so

461
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 13: fired up about this resident non resident fighting thing where

462
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 13: I never hear anybody say, wow, the pressure on public

463
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 13: land is more than it was ten years ago. So

464
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 13: I'm going to scout harder or or hunt mid October

465
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 13: versus the rut whenever he's going to be there something

466
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 13: like that. There's it's always like, can I take you

467
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 13: out of the equation to make it easier for me?

468
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And if things getting harder

469
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: was a reason not to do things, then everybody would

470
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: have quit hunting. Jim Bridger wouldn't have hunted, right, Bridger

471
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: bitched about all the pressure, right, Jim Bridger bitched about

472
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: all the pressure. Yeah, things aren't like they were well.

473
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 13: Right, Yeah, people in the county now and staff four

474
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 13: you know.

475
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean talk to the Blackfeet, right, see how

476
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: they're feeling about pressure.

477
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, But it's it's just so easy for us to

478
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 13: sort of, you know, just just believe that there's some

479
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 13: other reason we can't do this, like it's out of

480
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 13: our control to find this success or do whatever. And

481
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 13: it's just like, well you were talking about playing guitar

482
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 13: like that, that moment's passed for me in my life

483
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 13: and I'm like, no, yep.

484
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: Two moments passed for me.

485
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: There will say this moment, well, my moment.

486
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: To learn Spanish and my moment to learn how to

487
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: play a guitar have passed.

488
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 13: You could learn them both at the same time.

489
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: Flamenco, something happened LaBamba.

490
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: But I do have to say Steve has spent a

491
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: remarkable amount of time in Mexico without really annoying any

492
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: any Spanish.

493
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 13: Hopes on my children, because in his head he's like,

494
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 13: I'm done, I can't do that, that's past.

495
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: He's compared, mentalized and moved on. It's like, Nope, don't.

496
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: Know that I pinned all my hopes of my children.

497
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: Tortilla. Give me some of that flat broad It's.

498
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 11: Terrible, Like a stand up bass guy with those big

499
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 11: fingers of yours.

500
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you what uh Tommy Ed's in

501
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: the blue collar scholar and describing uh my fingers. I

502
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: don't want to use a bad word. He basically has

503
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: a fist full of packers. But use a dirty but

504
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: use a naughty word. So it's yeah. So it's like

505
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: a self help article that you wrote.

506
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 13: Just a lot of the content we make is thinly

507
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 13: veiled self help.

508
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

509
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: But but but I'm hunted with you and I believe

510
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: it because you are you are uh like not a

511
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say, like an optim You're

512
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: an optimist, but but not you don't have you don't

513
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: you don't have the rosy disposition, but you are like

514
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: not taking no for an answer.

515
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 7: That was a very pragmatic insult, you know.

516
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not like today's the day boys, anything

517
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: could happen. Yeah, I mean, You're just gonna grind it

518
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: out and there is no other way that ship is

519
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: gonna go except that you're gonna do what needs to

520
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: happen to make it happen. And like other conversations are

521
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: not welcome. Well the scowl if need be with a

522
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: scowl on your face.

523
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 13: It just because I know, I know the process, you know.

524
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 13: And I mean that's to be fair. That was not

525
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 13: like a totally uh normal take on me, because I

526
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 13: was I was taking my boss's bosses boss on a

527
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 13: public land whitetail hunt. So I was stressed to no end.

528
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 13: But honestly, it when I when I was a freelance

529
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 13: writer way back in the day, and I was like,

530
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 13: I'm going to focus on public land white tails because

531
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 13: the magazine I was working at the time, everybody kept

532
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 13: writing in there like I'm sick of the unrealistic stuff.

533
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 13: You know, I don't know a thousand acres in southern Iowa,

534
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 13: and I'm like, as kind of a no namer, I'm like,

535
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 13: I'm going to go. I didn't have kids yet, I'm like,

536
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'm gonna go after this hard. So many

537
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 13: people told me you you'll never kill one big buck

538
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 13: on public land ever, like you can't do it, you

539
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 13: can't make a living at it. And you would hear

540
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 13: this from state to state. Right you're going to Nebraska,

541
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 13: talk to some dude at the gas station or whatever.

542
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 13: It was always the same story. All the all the

543
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 13: big ones are killed off, there's not enough public land

544
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 13: in this state, whatever. And I would go out and

545
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 13: have awesome hunts, just fun hunts where sometimes you'd kill

546
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 13: big ones, and I was like, there's just so much

547
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 13: of this, like these beliefs that just aren't true. But

548
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 13: and you kind of figure out like our hunt where

549
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 13: you're like, there's there's no path to success for me

550
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 13: anyway other than just like you gotta figure it out

551
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 13: and go every day and you got to use that

552
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 13: time in between the CITs to scout like we did.

553
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 13: But eventually they're gonna give you something to work with,

554
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 13: you know, and there's gonna be nobody in that parking area,

555
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 13: so you can go in there and it's just gonna

556
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 13: line up. But it's stressful, you know, because the weather

557
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 13: changes all that stuff. But it's like so possible. You

558
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 13: just kind of gotta believe it.

559
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: You did stuff that I wouldn't have done. Where he

560
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys ever heard the story.

561
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: He kills we killed three deer out of a tree,

562
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: a tree. He's he kills two out of a tree

563
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: and sees a buck gets kind of bumped like we

564
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: were in a nice buck shows up and bumps. I

565
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: would have been like, dude, you killed two deer out

566
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: of the tree and spook that buck. That place is done.

567
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, tomorrow, go back and do X, Y

568
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: and Z, and I'm like, this is the dumbest thing

569
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: in the world, and go back and here comes the

570
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: couch just because the layout and whatever.

571
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 13: You know, well, I mean, think about that that buck.

572
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how old.

573
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 13: It is just nice, really nice buck for Oklahoma public Land.

574
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 13: How many times do you think that deer has been bumped?

575
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: And we were multiple times a day. I think, think

576
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: about how I don't know about that multiple times a day.

577
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: He's alarmed by.

578
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 13: Something right, right, every day of his life in the season,

579
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 13: he hears somebody part, watches somebody walk in, smells where

580
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 13: they went through some some level of encounter with humans, right.

581
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: And.

582
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Dog dude yelling at dog right, fishing guy, fishing farmer

583
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: doing something.

584
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 13: I mean, you know, yeah, they you're not going to

585
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 13: shake him off their routine that way. And then if

586
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 13: that deer had had looked up into the tree and sauce,

587
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 13: we would have moved to that next spot down. But

588
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 13: because we were down one hundred yards from the stand,

589
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 13: gotten that deer and he walked up nine thirty in

590
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 13: the morning, I'm like, this deer's he's just here, like

591
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 13: he's close to where he wants to be moving. You know,

592
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 13: it wasn't like first light, and he was trucking through

593
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 13: and we hadn't hunted that place in an evening yet.

594
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 13: And when I found it, I was like, this is

595
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 13: gonna be like in my head, I'm like, when we

596
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 13: sit here in the evening, it's gonna be good. I

597
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 13: didn't know it would be as good in the morning. I

598
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 13: thought it'd be pretty good. But it's just cool, man,

599
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 13: And you know, people think you can't do that, and

600
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 13: it's like.

601
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: Well, the the comment of like, uh, not a monster,

602
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: but I got a buck, right, like all the qualifiers

603
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: that you hear throughout the season. The only response that

604
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: anybody who hunts should give to anyone who says, oh,

605
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: I got a deer should be great deer. Hey, if

606
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: they're happy with it, you be happy with it. B

607
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: If you'd say, oh, that's not a great deer, they're

608
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: gonna think, oh, there must be bigger ones around and

609
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: you're just shooting yourself in the foot anyway. So it's

610
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: always a great deer. Yeah, And man, you shouldn't if

611
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: you don't like it, why'd you shoot it?

612
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Right? That's a good point, right. Another article from our website,

613
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of like crazy. This is by Jordan Sillers,

614
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: like an alarming string of animal moms attacking Coloraden's My

615
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: nature is mad at Coloradin's May thirty, Elk attack, June

616
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: third Elk attack, June seven, Elk attack, June seven deer

617
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: attack think of that all in the same area. Well,

618
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: it's all described out. But yeah, ungulates have had enough.

619
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Ungulates are up to here.

620
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 13: There's like an aggression team.

621
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: Well first, yeah, everybody's got.

622
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: Are like chilly with that guitar? Had enough finger looking good?

623
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we reported on this a whole bunch over

624
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: the years. We haven't beat the horse of death. It's

625
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: not time to ride on. Well, we reported on this

626
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: a bunch. So the Macaw tribe in Washington years ago

627
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: there was a big hubbloo. When how many years ago?

628
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: Was it twenty five years ago? How is that really?

629
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: I remember that like it was like true, I was

630
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: like an adult when that happened twenty five years ago.

631
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I was an adult. Twenty five years ago. The Macaw

632
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: tribe in Washington exercised their treaty rights and killed a

633
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: grey whale. And they hadn't killed a grey whale since

634
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: the twenties when grey whale population started to collapse. You

635
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: can imagine how much news that made. You know, Alaskan

636
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: traves have been hunting whales fairly consistency, consistently in another

637
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: place too, but they hadn't done it in forever, and

638
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: they did twenty five years ago, and it made tons

639
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: of news. Everybode's pissed off. They ran into some problems

640
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: they had. Part of the thing is, like you know,

641
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: whale hunting is a huge part of their cultural identity

642
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: and cultural heritage. But they had lost some of the

643
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: skill set. So they got the gray whale, and I think,

644
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: if I remember right, they ran up against time. Right,

645
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: they're trying to process the whale. A lot of stuff

646
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: spoiled before they could get it adequately addressed. They haven't

647
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: killed one since they've been petitioning did they want to?

648
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: They've been petitioning the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to

649
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: give them permission to again go out and exercise their

650
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: treaty right, and they have been again granted permission to

651
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: go and resume very limited whaling. They're looking at doing

652
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: what many are they looking to do?

653
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Here?

654
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: They've been granted so last time we talked about this,

655
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: they were petitioning for a waiver under the Marine Mammal

656
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: Protection Act of nineteen seventy two, and a judge just

657
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: granted them a waiver under the Marine Mammal Protection Act

658
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: and they will resume very limited whaling. Of how much.

659
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 3: I want to say they can get some pinnipeds too.

660
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: In the next decade, they're gonna hunt up twenty five

661
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: They have permission to hunt or hunt up to twenty

662
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: five whales. I find it like kind of surprising that

663
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: they're even I find it a little bit surprising that

664
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: the tribe has even been like waiting for formalized mission,

665
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: that they even were willing to play such a protracted

666
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: legal game because it's in their treaty right to do so.

667
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: Historic like the they signed a treaty with the US

668
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: government saying you have the right to do X, Y

669
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: and z, and that they wilfully pulled away from that

670
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: to wait for everything and not just to eventually say, well,

671
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: sorry boys, but we're going right.

672
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 3: Just in preservation of the culture would be reason enough.

673
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: All the usual players are very upset about this.

674
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 3: I believe they can. They can hunt sea lions too,

675
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: I think so, which should make them a lot of

676
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: people's friends.

677
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

678
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: On the salmon fish and.

679
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: A lot of salmon fisherm and be like, by god,

680
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: that's a great idea.

681
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: Exactly, why don't you get away while you're at it.

682
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: So the Macaw tribe of Washington am I saying that right,

683
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Macaw Macau. I think so the macatribe of Washington set

684
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: to resume whaling, and I think that would make them

685
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: the only Lower forty eight, the only active whaling culture

686
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: in the Lower forty eight. Yeah, yeah, it's gotta be the.

687
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: First time around.

688
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

689
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: It was really interesting, as you'll recall, because there was

690
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: like a lot of people who are just against whaling.

691
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: But the way that they weighed in is by saying that, well,

692
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 3: if this is a cultural thing, why are they using

693
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 3: motor boats? Why are they you know, it's.

694
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Just saying, yeah, I know how you Indians are supposed

695
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: to do things exactly.

696
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, just jacket.

697
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah they killed they harpooned and killed it with a gun,

698
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: and people like that's not what Indians do. I know

699
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: all about Indians. Yeah, yeah, I know how they ought

700
00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: to hunt. I've seen the movies. God bless them in

701
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: this case. I'm glad that it turned out the way

702
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: that it did for the Macaw tribe.

703
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's awesome.

704
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Chris danny Hey born in Arkansas. Did you grow up

705
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: You grew up doing some.

706
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: Fishing, Yeah, mostly trout fishing on the White River. Yeah,

707
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: White River yeah, Jack's Resort, uh in Mountain View, Arkansas.

708
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: My grandparents on my well, my my I was adopted

709
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 4: by my uncle, my dad's brother, his wife, her parents,

710
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: So my adopted grandparents. They lived there and I really

711
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: struck a good relationship with him, and so I'd go

712
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: spend sometimes there in the summer.

713
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: Why were you adopted? How did it come to be

714
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: that you were adopted by your uncle?

715
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: Well, my dad he was a uh traveled a lot

716
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: doing construction and uh. And my mom, Uh, she just

717
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: wasn't real really that grown up when she had us,

718
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: you know, so she just was just figuring herself out.

719
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 4: I guess. Uh. So my uncle uh took took over

720
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: guardianship of me.

721
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 7: Those your dad's brother, Yeah, they just both.

722
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: Were addicts and they both were just like I guess

723
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: I kind of was like the parent in a way,

724
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 4: like when I was young, I had to like kind

725
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 4: of take care of them. They were they were a

726
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: little bit out of control.

727
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: So like partiers beyond partiers.

728
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: They weren't together anymore either. Uh. I think that like

729
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 4: my dad was probably like too controlling, and I think

730
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 4: that my mom was wild, and I don't think that

731
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: that was like a good mix.

732
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: You still in touch those guys, so.

733
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: No, actually I'm a orphan now. Both of them are

734
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 4: passed away. Yeah, they're just seized. Yeah.

735
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: How old we are they when they died?

736
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 4: My mom was sixty two and my dad was fifty four.

737
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: Actually, wow, did they die related to drugs and alcohol?

738
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,479
Speaker 4: Yeah? They both did. Yeah. My mom, bless her heart,

739
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: had a real bad uh ending, but yeah, it was sad,

740
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: but she was able to tell me she loved me

741
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: before she passed away, and she was able to wait

742
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: till I got there before she passed away, which was

743
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 4: just they just couldn't even the doctor said, like, it

744
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 4: was wild that she had consciousness when I got there,

745
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: because she had waited because my sister had called me

746
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 4: and she called my name out and I was able

747
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 4: to just hold her watch she passed away.

748
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: You know.

749
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: So you did you guys grow up poor?

750
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

751
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 7: Yeah we did.

752
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: Uh. My dad made good money, but he uh, he

753
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: liked gamble and he just he was just wild, you know.

754
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: Uh so uh it was always like, you know, we

755
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 4: lived a kind of a crazy life. You know. My

756
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: mom taught me to kind of work the system.

757
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 7: You know.

758
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: Uh, when I was young, we had food stamps and

759
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: and my dad uh uh you know, he he would

760
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: work on the weekends doing side jobs. So he had

761
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: a company he worked for, and it was just I

762
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 4: don't know where all the money was going because they

763
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 4: were making a lot of it, you know. But uh,

764
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: you know, it was two different lives for me when

765
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: I got adopted. I went from being able to do

766
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: whatever I wanted whenever I wanted, uh, two you know,

767
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: being basically like just there was so much authority being

768
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: brought down on me so quick that I think I

769
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: probably became worse.

770
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: You know.

771
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 4: I was really a kind of a good kid when

772
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: I could do what I wanted. When I was told

773
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: what not to do, I started to not like it.

774
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: And my uncle and I had a really hard relationship

775
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 4: because of that. But he is definitely like a father

776
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 4: to me, meaning you know, I love him, uh and

777
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: his approval means a lot to me. But I gets

778
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: on my nerves.

779
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: Chris, Oh for sure. How old were you when you

780
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: when the structure change happened.

781
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a crucial time. I was like eleven going

782
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: on twelve, while so I was just about to start

783
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 4: going through puberty, which happened really quick for me. I was.

784
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: I was obese child. I was a huge kid, was

785
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: about four foot tall and I weighed one hundred and

786
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: probably sixty pounds. And then the next year in seventh grade,

787
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 4: I was five foot nine. How tall I am now?

788
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: And I weighed like one and girls, I was invisible

789
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: up to that point. Then all of a sudden, it

790
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: was like I was like good looking tall. I got

791
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: to be tall for like a year or two. Never

792
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: grew another inch. I never grew another inch.

793
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Everybody caught up to you and passed year.

794
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: They just I mean, I was like, God, you do

795
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 4: hate me. It's good to know at least you know

796
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: he's there, you know.

797
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: When uh get back into the how you were exposed

798
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: a little bit of fishing.

799
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh uh. Well, you know, I really was one

800
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: of those kids that was kind of always like looked

801
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 4: at anything that was living and breathing and was real

802
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 4: freaked out to hurt it in any way. You know,

803
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: there's always been people that have I've sort of, you know,

804
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: I am. I consider myself a Christian being, being from

805
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 4: the Bible belt. It's just a path of least resistance, honestly,

806
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 4: but I more believe in just God and I don't

807
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: believe that anybody gets to decide all of the vocabulary

808
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 4: that needs to be used or anything else particulars. I

809
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 4: know that that's all sort of what that's saying. The

810
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: devils in the details?

811
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 3: You mean you don't have to understand Latin to understand God.

812
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if you do. I'm not sure, but

813
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: I have to ask the Catholic Church and I'll get back.

814
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 7: To your So.

815
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 4: I felt really sort of weird about handling animals and

816
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: fish and killing animals, but then as I got older,

817
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: I sort of that became secondary to things I started

818
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: to enjoy way, which were, like, you know, I got

819
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: really into, uh, the lures because I'm a collector. I

820
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: collect things, antiques, I love just my girlfriend would call

821
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 4: me a order and we have to, like for her sanity,

822
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: I have to. When we first moved in together, I

823
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: had to basically just get rid of ninety percent of

824
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: what I am. She won't say anything, but I can

825
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: read it on her face and it's like she was like,

826
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: what is And one of my friends actually said, your

827
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: girlfriend's kind of a genius, isn't she? And I was like,

828
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 4: why you say that she was? He was like, she

829
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: doesn't really like having anything that She's like, it's just

830
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 4: like cleared out, you know, like it's one or two

831
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: things in there.

832
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: And equated that intelligence.

833
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, and so what am I?

834
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 14: You know, I like.

835
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: Full of junk. There's you know, I mean, it's.

836
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 3: What is the what's the collection that was the most.

837
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 15: Oh my goodness. I don't know if I'm necessarily irked them,

838
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 15: but there's what baseball cards everywhere? Yeah, stamps everywhere. One

839
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 15: time we drove to Houston and back in one day

840
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 15: to try to.

841
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: I thought I had like I thought I had a stamp.

842
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 15: From stamps that were with money.

843
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 5: It didn't work out.

844
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: It didn't work out.

845
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and more just became like Charlotte like basically paying

846
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 4: to drive me down to Houston and and like me

847
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: not even having and her being like you want to

848
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 4: get some food and like maybe like gosh, she's a keeper,

849
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: you know, she's a keeper. So but yeah, like lures,

850
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: I'm very interested by that sort of thing. I really like.

851
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 4: I like fish and lures a lot of it actually

852
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: messing around with trying to to make some and so

853
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: down there, Yeah, I will, I'll talk to you.

854
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: So when you grew up on like the White River fishing.

855
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: Were you like, were you fly fishing spinner?

856
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 4: No, No, I never have done that. Actually, you know

857
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 4: my old manager, uh JT. Van Zant, he's a he's

858
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: a he's a big fisherman. Uh And he did a

859
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: lot of fly fishing and stuff and told me it

860
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: was great, you know, but it seemed like a lot

861
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: of work to me.

862
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 7: I'm your van Zant.

863
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was my manager for a while. He

864
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: fired me, but he said I was too much like

865
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: his dad, so like he sort of fired me.

866
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: Really.

867
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's been on the show, has he Yeah.

868
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah he knows me. He mentioned me to him, he'll

869
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: get a grin on his face for sure.

870
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

871
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: He was my manager.

872
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

873
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: He was a good guy.

874
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: He's a fly fishing guy.

875
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 4: Yeah he's great. Yeah, sure is. He should stick to

876
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: that too.

877
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: He was a manager.

878
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, he managed is what's that guy's name, the blue

879
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 4: guy that does country sounds kind of like uh Waylon

880
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 4: Jennings And he has a bluegrass album too. Stergel Simpson.

881
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: He's his manager. He was at one point. What Yeah, yeah,

882
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: he sure was.

883
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was your manager.

884
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 4: He was my manager. He fired you for what he

885
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 4: just being at just not doing my job, not doing

886
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: my job, which is I was trying to get back

887
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 4: there when I said that, thanks, but uh he was

888
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 4: he was my yeah, he oh well i'll tell you

889
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: what he's he did. He said that, he said, you know,

890
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 4: you kind of scare me, and you remind me of

891
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 4: my dad. You know, his dad was. It was a

892
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: terrible addict, great songwriter.

893
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he wrote all the songs.

894
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and uh last one of them like me.

895
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: You know, he got famous, more famous after he passed away.

896
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 4: Uh hint, hint, but yeah, he just I went on

897
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: this tour and it was supposed to be sort of

898
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 4: a comeback thing because I had had a falling out

899
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: with my label. They wanted me to go to rehab basically,

900
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: and uh, I just I went to that tour. I

901
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: went to Little Rock, and I relapsed and I just

902
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: got stuck there for five years. I swear it was

903
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: five years later. I was sitting in jail cell and

904
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: in uh Little Rock, Arkansas, and I'd been in there

905
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: almost nine months, and I knew no one was gonna

906
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 4: be getting me out, and uh that I that was it,

907
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like things had to change

908
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: when I came out of there, and they did, you know. Uh,

909
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: So I was in there for a year and then

910
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: I ended up going to rehab when I got out.

911
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: Is this after if the roses don't kill us?

912
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 4: It was, yeah, sure was yeah.

913
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: And so what age you start drinking?

914
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 4: Oh, drinking? I can't remember a time I didn't drink. No,

915
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 4: I'm just as a little kid, probably probably young fourteen,

916
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 4: actually probably fourteen. Uh it was Marijuana was the first

917
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: thing I really enjoyed. Was like about twelve or so.

918
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 4: I got into that and uh yeah, they were uh,

919
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 4: but drinking for me was always sort of something I

920
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: didn't like too much. I didn't like the idea of

921
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: getting drunk and waking up and having all these problems,

922
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 4: more problems than you had before you started drinking. Yeah,

923
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: because you don't know even and you feel like crap.

924
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: You know, that's that wasn't my thing.

925
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: So Randall's nodding his head down there.

926
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been there.

927
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: It's just you gotta be tough to do that all

928
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: the time, you know. I guess I'm not that tough.

929
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: But you got into weed.

930
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: Young, oh yeah, I mean never got out of it.

931
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: I was listening to a neuroscientist on Terry You ever

932
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: hear of an interviewer named Terry Gross. She has a

933
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: show called fresh Air. She was interviewing a neuroscientist, and

934
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: the neuroscientist was talking about, like, it's kind of hard,

935
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: not hard to explain, I want to take a ton

936
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: of time to explain it. But if you drinking young,

937
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: like drinking young makes alcoholics, you don't. She was talking about,

938
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: there's not many drunks that start drinking as adults when

939
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: you're when you're when I was a kid, like like

940
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: booze was the thing in high school, junior high even, right,

941
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: But it's it's that you start drinking young and your

942
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: rewrites your brain chemistry, like it offsets what's normal. Yeah, right,

943
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: you don't find your sort of like baseline tolerances, your

944
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: baseline happiness. You whack this whole thing out of and

945
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: that gives you the drunks later. Yeah, if you go

946
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: through if you go through maturity and go through adolescents,

947
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: and you'd be like at thirty, you're like, I'm gonna

948
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: have a drink, Dude, You're not gonna turn into a drunk. Yeah, yeah,

949
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean it happens, but not like it does when

950
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: you start at fifteen.

951
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: That's true. And there's a belief in AA meetings, which

952
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 4: I've gone to a lot of. There's a belief in

953
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: there that people stop maturing emotionally when they start drinking.

954
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: And I sort of believe that, because what are we

955
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 4: trying to do if we're addicted, We're trying to cover

956
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: something up. Most of the time, there's a way that

957
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: we're feeling that's good that we like more than the

958
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: way we feel so much that we'll keep doing that

959
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 4: over and over, regardless of how much it's hurting us. Therefore,

960
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: I do truly believe that we probably do emotionally stop

961
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: maturing at that same time when we start reacting to everything,

962
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 4: stop consciously things through. We're just like, Okay, I'm going

963
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: to run to this thing, sort of like a rat

964
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: stuck in a maze trying to get out. But then

965
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 4: there's this thing that it likes. It just keeps going

966
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 4: back to that, you know, And it'll go to that

967
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 4: before we'll go to the door that's open, you know,

968
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 4: and then it'll be closed by the time they go

969
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 4: over there and do that. Because it's it's a reaction,

970
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: it's and I don't know what it is about feeling good.

971
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 4: You know that there's a Levon Helm song feeling good.

972
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: All the money in the world spent on feeling good,

973
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 4: and well, I.

974
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: Thought, man, feels good to be feeling good again.

975
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a gooling too, It's one, yeah it is,

976
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 4: but it's it's just, you know, I've been learning that,

977
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 4: you know, my emotions are out of whack. I got

978
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 4: I got to thinking about things. I started thinking, you know,

979
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: look who I was raised by. God love them, I

980
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 4: do love them, but they are crazy people. The two

981
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 4: people that raised me were nuts, and so there's no

982
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: way that I could have come out with all that

983
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 4: much right. Like, you know, I was thinking I was

984
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 4: right about everything, and I was mad at the world,

985
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: and I had to go, you know, as possible that

986
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 4: I don't know everything exactly, you know, like I think

987
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: I do, and that maybe I'm wrong. You know, maybe

988
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 4: the reason that these relationships, these you know, relationships with

989
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: my family, you know, jobs, things like that, maybe there's

990
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 4: a reason that I can't do this. And you know,

991
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 4: it's part of me that immediately wants to be mad

992
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 4: at the whole structure of life in society. Is it

993
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: doesn't align with you know, mile upbringing and the things

994
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 4: that I went through, and people just don't understand how

995
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: bad I've had it, and you know what, they never

996
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 4: really will actually, and so it's it's like I had

997
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 4: to get to a place where I was like, I'm

998
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 4: not gonna treat myself like shit anymore, you know what

999
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 4: I mean. It's like I wouldn't let other people treat

1000
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 4: me like that. I immediately flip out when someone you know,

1001
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 4: tries to treat me the way and then the way

1002
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: I treat myself. It's just like wow, you know. And

1003
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: those are moments that are hard to with, you know,

1004
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: like emotionally, they're they're hard because you realize you have

1005
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 4: really messed things up for where you want to be

1006
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 4: and where you are so far off that it's going

1007
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 4: to take a miracle to get you back on track.

1008
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 4: You feel that way. But life is good and that

1009
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 4: it is forgiving, and you know time can heal things,

1010
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: you know, and and you just kind of keep trying

1011
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: to do a little bit more right for yourself, good

1012
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: for yourself every day and you realize, again, okay, I'm

1013
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: right back where I should be. I like myself and

1014
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 4: the things that I had become insecure about those maybe

1015
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: are the best things about me as far as I'm concerned.

1016
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: You know, when did you get serious about music?

1017
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 4: I've always been serious about it. That's that's what I

1018
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: meant earlier when I there's videos of me and my

1019
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: dad is putting a T shirt on me, and I said, no, sir,

1020
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 4: I'm not wearing no T shirt. And I put on

1021
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: the stress shirt and you see me tuck it in,

1022
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 4: and it was like I was like four years old,

1023
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: and it was like I was very serious about I'd

1024
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 4: make my whole family sit there and listen to me,

1025
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 4: and there's videos of me just singing. That's just what

1026
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: I wanted to do. I always took it seriously, and

1027
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 4: I knew when I left high school, i'd already been

1028
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 4: telling people that I was signed to a major record label.

1029
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 4: And when I left high school, I went to New York,

1030
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 4: and I actually before.

1031
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: Long, well, you were telling people that you were.

1032
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was telling people that when I got out

1033
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 4: of school, i'd be going up there because I already

1034
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 4: had a record deal lined up. And I actually kind

1035
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: of like you were talking about, like positive thinking and

1036
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 4: positive putting out there in the world. I did that

1037
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: because before you know it, Atlantic Records was offering me

1038
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 4: a deal Rounder Records. I got plown to meet Rick Rubin.

1039
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 4: You know, I turned it all down, stayed with this

1040
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 4: little lab. I turned down a deal with Rick Rubin.

1041
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 4: Let me straighten that out. I turned down a deal

1042
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 4: with Atlantic and with Rounder because I had gotten on

1043
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: this label. They had assured me that there was money.

1044
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 4: I'd talked to their backer all these things, and then

1045
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 4: everything fell through right after that, and it just sent

1046
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 4: me into a whirlwind of just being pissed off and

1047
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 4: emotional depression, and like I just I couldn't trust anyone anymore.

1048
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 4: It all fell through. This guy was there, him and

1049
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 4: his brother, and they had the money. We were like

1050
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 4: a family, We were building a relationship. We were going

1051
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 4: to actually say no to a deal that really wasn't

1052
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 4: good for me because it was when the industry was

1053
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 4: coming out with three sixty deals, which meant they got

1054
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 4: part of your merch they got part of all these

1055
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 4: things they didn't have any business having. And so this

1056
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 4: was a deal for me. It felt right to stay

1057
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 4: where I was, you know. But it just his brother

1058
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 4: pulled all the funding and the money for it, and

1059
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: it just there was no I didn't know how to

1060
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 4: raise money at the time. That's not even where my

1061
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 4: head was, you know. I thought raising money was something

1062
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 4: that some other people did that I didn't get lucky

1063
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 4: enough to be that kind of person. I didn't realize,

1064
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't use media and stuff like that

1065
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: very well, and so I couldn't do it. Now there's

1066
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 4: you know, a chance for me to to be able

1067
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 4: to raise money. Nowadays you can, you can do that,

1068
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 4: you know. And that's that's where I'm getting to a

1069
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 4: place in my life where I need to put out

1070
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 4: records and it's hard for me to work with other

1071
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 4: people because they always want to trying to change something

1072
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 4: because my voice is different, unique, and that's that's it.

1073
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 4: That's fine, and why why mess around with that, you know?

1074
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: And they want you to sing different?

1075
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes yeah, people do. They they do, and I won't.

1076
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 4: I'm not going to, you know. It's just that would

1077
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 4: feel not wouldn't feel right to me to do that.

1078
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: So are you is that an ace card on your shoulder?

1079
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: You a gambler?

1080
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 4: Well, not a very good one. But I met a

1081
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 4: guy in San Francisco when I was out there living

1082
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 4: with my sister and he was a homeless guy. Man,

1083
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 4: I've just gotten a bunch of money for some songs

1084
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 4: that Marlborough was using. And I said, I want to.

1085
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: Hear about the tattoo. Explain that to me.

1086
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 4: Marlborough was doing some some songs online. They had this

1087
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 4: thing going.

1088
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: The cigarette place.

1089
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve, this is when he was responding to licensing music. Yeah, okay,

1090
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 3: different and so they give me a great meat eater

1091
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: Marlborough mix up. Yeah.

1092
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they've wont some of your songs with your voice?

1093
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: They did, Yeah, they did. They didn't need to ask

1094
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 4: me to sing different they want.

1095
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: And they were using in cigarette ads.

1096
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 4: No, sure, I would never do that. They were They

1097
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 4: were used in an actual campaign to get people to

1098
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: quit smoking. No, I'm just kidding. They were used on

1099
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 4: their website. They were just kind of promoting some bands

1100
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 4: in the towns they were from. It was just the

1101
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: thing they were doing that was kind of like the

1102
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 4: remember the Marlborough miles, remember that up and then.

1103
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: Go and get remember like remember camel box. Yeah, we

1104
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: had those white sweats said camel down side of them

1105
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: from small ter Terrible.

1106
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 7: They were yellow though, with some sweats.

1107
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: Or a bag it's like you got your dad's backpack

1108
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 4: that he ordered from Marlborough. Miles going to poke holes

1109
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 4: in it so it's see through, you know. But yeah,

1110
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 4: that's that's that.

1111
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: No, just real quick. I don't mean to prive, but

1112
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: was that like a good chunk of change from Marlborough?

1113
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 4: Uh? I don't know. Is it two hundred thousand? No,

1114
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. You know, it was like twenty grand.

1115
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: So you're sayways, you run into a homeless guy.

1116
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like I always wanted to get an

1117
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 4: ace up my sleeve, and I was like, I was like,

1118
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 4: let's go get that tattooed. And so we did. We

1119
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: went and got it, and uh, he got one and

1120
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 4: I got one, and he got his on his face.

1121
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 14: Sleep.

1122
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it was right above his eye, kind

1123
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 4: of like you know, Mike Tyson or something like that.

1124
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 4: That's when he got a spade on his face. Yeah.

1125
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: See, yours is even a little honey ace up my sleeve.

1126
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: I think it's right here right in my forum.

1127
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 3: He's a short sleeve game.

1128
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 4: Obviously I would have been just as bad as him,

1129
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 4: and I got it up there.

1130
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: Probably got on his face.

1131
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got it on his face.

1132
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: That's not how I expected this story to go.

1133
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 4: I didn't expect a lot of things that that guy

1134
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: was pretty wild.

1135
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: He was. He was the who did the tattoo. And

1136
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: when you first started the story, Oh no, then you

1137
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: treated him to a tattoo.

1138
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, and he yeah, at the last minute

1139
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 4: he went to get it on his face and I

1140
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 4: almost said, hey, you know, that's not up your sleep.

1141
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: And when we got outside, he was, that's up your eye. Yes,

1142
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: What the hell was Krin saying about you hiking a

1143
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: bunch of peaks in Colorado's that your Yeah?

1144
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I didn't make that up. When I was younger,

1145
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 4: I went to a church in North Rock, Arkansas. UH

1146
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 4: and the pastor there was an outdoorsman, avid outdoorsman, so

1147
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: we uh we would do he had he was on

1148
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 4: a mission to do every fourteen thousand footer uh or

1149
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 4: twelve twelve thousand. He was on a mission to every

1150
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: twelve thousand footer and uh so summers we would uh

1151
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 4: go on some of those with him. I guess he

1152
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: wasn't going to stop for running the youth group, uh

1153
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 4: and he just decided to make his mission our mission.

1154
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 4: So we I was actually telling a story to Charlotte

1155
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 4: yesterday as we're at the hotel downtown that y'all put

1156
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 4: us up pins place. It's the Armory, you like, Yeah, yeah, dude, actually,

1157
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 4: uh they've rented me uh out and not rented. It's

1158
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 4: free but a Gibson. And they told me actually that

1159
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 4: I could bring it over here and play it, but

1160
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 4: I brought the next time.

1161
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: You want to play a Gibson, buddy, Yeah, sounds like

1162
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: you gotta get yourself down to the get a room

1163
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: at the Armory.

1164
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 3: I've been to the Army and they never offered me

1165
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 3: no gibs.

1166
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 4: You can get any kind that's in the case. You

1167
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 4: know in front of the hall they play music. Those

1168
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 4: four Gibsons in the case. You can rent any one

1169
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 4: of those.

1170
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 8: Well, if anyone's at the Army that's listening, you just

1171
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 8: bring Chili a guitar.

1172
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 1: Put you ask you bout climbing all those fourteen.

1173
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So you were Charlotte a story, Oh, Charlotte story.

1174
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 4: I was telling. Okay, I was telling Charlotte a story.

1175
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 4: But we were looking out the window of the Armory

1176
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 4: and I said, you see those big patches of ice

1177
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 4: that are up on the mountain, you know, I said.

1178
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: We rode one of those on a tarp with about

1179
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 4: seven people from youth group, and someone had a little

1180
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 4: poodle and they threw their dog in the air when

1181
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: they said abandoned, like because we were going to run

1182
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 4: into some rocks. I mean, we were fine, dude, and

1183
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 4: we were going to run into some rocks. And he

1184
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 4: just when he said abandoned, they just threw his poodle

1185
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 4: band and I was like, I just, you know, roll over,

1186
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 4: and I flipped and what stopped me was my face

1187
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 4: hitting the eyes so hard that it just finally flipped

1188
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 4: me over and I slid down. And then the guy,

1189
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 4: our preacher was like all right, sitting down.

1190
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 7: The other group.

1191
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 4: We were just like what the poodle did not like

1192
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 4: the rest of the trip with that poodle was definitely scarred.

1193
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 4: And I don't think it walked on its own again

1194
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 4: after that. I think it had like a little will

1195
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 4: thing it just gave us. It was not hiking though,

1196
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 4: and two people were like my ankle For like almost

1197
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 4: another week, several of us had to trade off carrying

1198
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 4: two full packs. Two packs up a mountain. We've been

1199
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 4: just trading that back and forth. It was like your

1200
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 4: ankle hurts so bad that you can't carry your bag

1201
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 4: at all for the week, the whole weeks, exactly, exactly, No,

1202
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I'm glad we got to help him,

1203
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 4: you know, with his mission to climb all those I

1204
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 4: had no idea I wanted to do that so badly

1205
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 4: when you were.

1206
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: Spending that time. So at that time, had you been

1207
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: had you already been exposed to drugs and alcohol?

1208
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 4: I had?

1209
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 12: Uh?

1210
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had.

1211
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: Well did you when you were like up in the

1212
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: hanging around on the mountains, okay, hiking the mountains, did

1213
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: you ever feel like did you ever get this feeling

1214
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: that there's these different paths you could take in life?

1215
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: And one hand would be that you kind of run

1216
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: around the mountains and be all healthy and you know, free, right,

1217
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: or on the other hand, you go down this path

1218
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: of like being a musician and boozing all the time.

1219
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean, did you feel like you had that there

1220
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: was a way to go in different directions?

1221
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 4: You know, I will say this, I did not feel

1222
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 4: torn ever that I wasn't being true to myself. I

1223
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 4: just felt like my value for myself was not very high.

1224
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 4: So so there.

1225
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: Was that change that changed your decision making processes, yes.

1226
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 4: And and and and and therefore now they're changed. I

1227
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 4: will say this, though, don't let anyone fool you. As

1228
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 4: you get older. Everyone at this table seems to know this,

1229
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 4: besides Charlotte. As you get older, you will definitely be

1230
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 4: at a place where, though you wish you would have

1231
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 4: asked yourself those questions, you wished you would be in

1232
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,919
Speaker 4: a more healthy spot where you did care about yourself

1233
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,759
Speaker 4: more and could that your value for yourself was higher.

1234
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 4: But for me, it wasn't very high. And I always

1235
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 4: thought that was for someone else. You know that I

1236
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 4: wasn't good enough for that. And yeah, I mean that

1237
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 4: really has to change. And you know, there's a lot

1238
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 4: of people out there that have a real hard time

1239
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 4: making that sort of change on their own, and they

1240
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 4: do need people to care for them and love them.

1241
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 4: And I mean, to be honest with you, not to

1242
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 4: be too sappy, but you know, meeting Charlotte's like changed

1243
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 4: everything for me because after feeling so just like I

1244
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 4: messed everything up so bad, to have someone really good

1245
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 4: and positive in your life that cares about you, it

1246
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 4: can be the most important thing. So you can't give

1247
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 4: up on people you know.

1248
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: How'd you guys meet.

1249
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 4: We met playing in a band together. We play in

1250
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 4: this band called the gravel Yard and it's a bluegrass band.

1251
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: And Charlotte actually is has her masters in chamber music

1252
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 4: and uh what yeah, she's she's a she's special.

1253
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charlotte, Ita tell you something terrible. That's my least

1254
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: favorite kind of music, chamber music because you know that

1255
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: show on remember that show of performance today on NPR.

1256
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Like, if you listen to the news and

1257
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: also their likes time for performance today, I always be like, dude,

1258
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm not ready listening to the news and everything, and

1259
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: then cut into chamber music at ten am, and I'd

1260
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: be working away and I'd be liked damn it, and

1261
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: I started to take it out on chamber music. Well,

1262
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: let's do my master's degree.

1263
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1264
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 15: I went to the University of Michigan and an Arbor

1265
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 15: and I got actually two masters, one in chamber music

1266
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 15: and one in violin. And then I moved back. I'm

1267
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 15: from Arkansas and I moved back there.

1268
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 4: You're from Arkansas too, Oh shit, yeah, that makes him

1269
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 4: good down there.

1270
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: Huh?

1271
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 11: Did you guys being from Arkansas do like the whole

1272
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 11: like fiddle camp thing growing up or any of that stuff.

1273
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 15: Oh, I did for sure.

1274
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about that.

1275
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 4: Well.

1276
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 15: I started playing violin when I was four, and then

1277
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 15: a few years later I started fiddling as well. And

1278
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 15: there were Yeah, there was camps and I actually taught

1279
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 15: at a fiddle camp in my hometown a couple of

1280
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 15: years with my teacher, Tim Trewick. And there's a you know,

1281
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 15: there's Mountain View, Arkansas. There's so much up there, and

1282
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 15: my grandparents lived in Calicar Rock, which was close, so

1283
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 15: we would go up there and go to the The

1284
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 15: people just jam on the square and there's a lot

1285
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 15: of music up there.

1286
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 16: Progress.

1287
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: What were your people, mountain people going back in time?

1288
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 15: I wish they were more than they were. We didn't

1289
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 15: grow up. I mean I kind of wish I grew

1290
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 15: up in Mountain View or something like that, but because

1291
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 15: I just loved it there so much, you know, and

1292
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 15: I've always loved being outdoors. And I don't know, but

1293
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 15: I grew up in near Little Rock.

1294
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: So, yeah, were you aware his music when you met him?

1295
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 15: No, I hadn't. I hadn't heard of him before, but

1296
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 15: I did stock him after we joined. So we met

1297
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 15: when we joined. When I joined the gravel Yard. He

1298
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 15: was already playing in it for a while, and I

1299
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 15: was just really excited to play with a bluegrass band.

1300
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 15: And but then yeah, I went and stocked him and

1301
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 15: saw all his old music. I was like, Wow, he

1302
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 15: has a really unique voice.

1303
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: Unique.

1304
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1305
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: You don't listen anyway that tries to make you sing different.

1306
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 4: Man, Oh I don't. I just feel sorry for him.

1307
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 10: I can emphasize because people have been telling me to

1308
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 10: sing different my whole life. Yeah, but I actually should

1309
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 10: probably take that to heart.

1310
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're saying, Ran, You know, people

1311
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: tell me to sing different.

1312
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 10: Sorry, that didn't land.

1313
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 4: He sings. They're saying singing a different spot.

1314
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's what's that? You wrote all the music,

1315
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: you wrote all your stuff before. Do you write music

1316
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: now for the Graveyard? Are you the primary writer for Gravyard?

1317
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 16: No?

1318
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 4: No, no, now grave Yard. I haven't really written a

1319
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 4: whole lot for them. That's uh, that's not really the

1320
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 4: path I'm going down. I'm I'm I'm I'm writing for

1321
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 4: myself still. That's we do a lot of old time

1322
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 4: bluegrass stuff, some stuff. I released a couple of songs

1323
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 4: on an album with them called Strange Times and they

1324
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 4: had a different singer actually before, so I didn't come

1325
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 4: into the band until the Strange Times record. But uh,

1326
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 4: this whole thing with Christopher Denny, Uh, it's just you know,

1327
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 4: I've had I've had the songs for a long time.

1328
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 4: It's been a long time since I've done a record,

1329
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: and it's just a great time to uh do do

1330
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 4: a record and get come up with the money, and

1331
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 4: there's different avenues to do in that, and so that's

1332
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 4: that's kind of where I'm at now. But yeah, I've

1333
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 4: been writing my own stuff recently.

1334
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 3: How many stamps do you have to sell the cut

1335
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 3: a record?

1336
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 4: Oh? Uh, I mean apparently I don't know what's what.

1337
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 4: So this guy tells me, I don't know what's what?

1338
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 4: That that one would be on blue paper and have

1339
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,480
Speaker 4: this many perforations.

1340
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: How much of a bummer if we have you play

1341
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: right on? Is it the super bummer that you can't

1342
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 1: play one of your new tunes? Do you guys know

1343
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: how to play your new tunes together?

1344
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1345
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 4: We we we know some new tunes.

1346
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: Can you do one? Can you do right on? And

1347
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: then do one of your new tunes?

1348
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1349
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally Yeah, And want chilly.

1350
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: To get your to back you up on that lick

1351
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: that finger licking.

1352
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, but we'll tune his guitar first, and.

1353
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: A thing doesn't that doesn't happen.

1354
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could play one right on and then we

1355
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 4: could do a tune. Yeah.

1356
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: You be able to play fiddle, You be able play

1357
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: fiddle on bolt these. But he's going to solo.

1358
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: On a couple.

1359
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 4: Yeah that's fine.

1360
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: Dude, I want to do it. Oh no, let's do it.

1361
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 4: Okay, let's do let's get that.

1362
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: See this is all part of background because people people

1363
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: didn't know what the hell to make when we started

1364
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: using your son. People don't know what to make of it.

1365
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1366
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 4: I read a lot of things online that were like,

1367
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 4: I thought that was a girl, and I was like,

1368
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 4: you know, I did too for a while.

1369
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: Phil Ready, Oh man, you know, while he's tuning that up,

1370
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: my kids got so my kids got pet pigeons a

1371
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: week ago. It's amazing. They got those pigeons a week ago.

1372
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: They could they couldn't even stand up, you know they could,

1373
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: they couldn't ride, They couldn't move themselves. You had to

1374
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: manually move them from one place to the other. Those

1375
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: things not run all around the yard, and they are

1376
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: so imprinted on people. They think every single person is

1377
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: their mom. They followed the kids anywhere they go. Climb

1378
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: up on your feet. Dude, it's a wild little pet.

1379
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: I had them a long time ago, but I kind

1380
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: of forgot about all that.

1381
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 10: Is this making them reconsider the pigeon trapping business.

1382
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 1: They don't view it. I don't know. They sold forty

1383
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: five of them into like near certain death. They're able

1384
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: to hold that stinction. And he spent He gets to

1385
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: reading that one of his pigeons has a thing called canker. Okay,

1386
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: it's a little sickness pigeons get. He spent. He spent

1387
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: twenty four dollars yesterday on medicine for the pigeon. I'm like,

1388
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm not putting money in these pigeons. So he sells

1389
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: pigeons at seventy He traded three and a half a

1390
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: piece and then spent twenty four bucks to medicate his

1391
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: other pigeon. I love it. It's just like in like

1392
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: however things play out in kids' heads. So funny, man,

1393
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:41,520
Speaker 1: you ready.

1394
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, what kind of guitar you got there?

1395
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: This is that's old ass guitar.

1396
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:53,440
Speaker 4: Old old craftsman. Okay, old craftsman, it's a harmony.

1397
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 8: Do you want to trade?

1398
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1399
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, he got.

1400
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 4: A J forty five.

1401
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: I'm excited, so you canna do right? Yeah, all right,

1402
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: And then you guys are gonna do a fiddle. You're

1403
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna do some something with fiddle accompaniment. Yeah, yeah, for sure, everybody.

1404
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: Christopher Danny.

1405
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 3: M hm.

1406
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 5: H m.

1407
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 4: M.

1408
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 6: When we met, you thought that I was shined and

1409
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 6: the fine out the time you're ran to tell your

1410
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 6: mother your favorite color turned black. I walked through fire

1411
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 6: with my own kind of cross, tried to feel like.

1412
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 4: Jesus did.

1413
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 6: M hm, which is someone I can't forgive.

1414
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 16: M Ride on, Ride on, little daughter.

1415
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 6: I want to seal your gray hair shine like silver

1416
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 6: in the sun.

1417
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 16: Yeah, ride on, Ride on a long time, sweetheart. We

1418
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 16: done beat this damn horse today, So take a new

1419
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 16: one and ride on.

1420
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 9: Mm hm hm.

1421
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmmmm.

1422
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh.

1423
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 6: When you said you want it up, that's when I

1424
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 6: want it down. You saw nice t shades of ten

1425
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 6: on us all was brown. When you found that mo

1426
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 6: hoof for split, you know you beat it just like

1427
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 6: I can't. That's why it's time. M ride on, Ride on,

1428
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 6: little darling. Hold the seal, gray hair, shine like silver

1429
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 6: in the sun.

1430
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 16: M hm, ride on, Ride on a long.

1431
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 4: Time, sweetheart.

1432
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 16: We done beat this damn horse to death. So take

1433
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 16: your new one right on.

1434
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 4: Be help if I help, If I learned the chords

1435
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 4: to it?

1436
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I love it, I love it.

1437
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1438
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: That's great, man. You guys. Are you guys here tonight?

1439
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Yeah, you guys.

1440
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: Come over my house for dinner tonight. You tell my

1441
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: kids that's the dude who sings to ride on, so.

1442
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 5: That that'd be great.

1443
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 1: All right, what's next? So you're gonna get your fiddle out?

1444
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, this one it's gonna get good here. Hey,

1445
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 4: do you want to do Bigfoot's Real or do you

1446
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 4: want to play?

1447
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1448
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, let's do that. When you want to just uh,

1449
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna. I'm gonna We're.

1450
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 10: Gonna bigfoots Real is very on brand for us, Big Bigfoot?

1451
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: Can you do? Can you do? He's not real?

1452
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 4: This is r E E L.

1453
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 16: It's a type of.

1454
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: Like a Virginia.

1455
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 4: You're gonna play here over here?

1456
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: Is that gonna be bringing a post up?

1457
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 4: Oh no, let's just play there.

1458
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 3: Just relinquish the stage.

1459
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 4: Let's just do this. You can take she can take

1460
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 4: this one. I'm just she's playing guitar on this one.

1461
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: Son mm hmm.

1462
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, well let's just let's just do me then you

1463
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 4: and then just do the so part and do it out.

1464
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1465
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 3: Thanks, that's a good point.

1466
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 5: I love it already.

1467
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 4: Well this is this is instrumental, but if you want

1468
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 4: me to do one with singing, I can.

1469
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 7: No dudever hell you want?

1470
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: Oh you want Charlotte on that Mica genuine master's degree

1471
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: in fiddle plane.

1472
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 2: Text mes out.

1473
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 4: All right, whenever you all are ready.

1474
01:22:36,200 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 12: Mh I'm ready when you guys are ready.

1475
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: Thanks, man, that was great.

1476
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 4: Thanks, thanks for letting us do that after this.

1477
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 11: Would you guys want to jam to? Do you guys

1478
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 11: know whiskey before breakfast? I just tried to learn that one.

1479
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah there out.

1480
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 3: In the front.

1481
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 11: Ye see if I can do it?

1482
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, dude, thanks for coming out. Man.

1483
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm really glad to be here and uh uh

1484
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 4: uh just thank y'all.

1485
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: I want you to make more albums. Oh yeah, yeah,

1486
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: it's all about that.

1487
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 4: So it's so awesome. So I we freaked out and

1488
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 4: we were like, we've got to get this thing done

1489
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 4: because I had been taken so long to do this kickstarter,

1490
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 4: and so we we weren't sure. I had just assumed

1491
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 4: in my mind that we were shooting live today, and

1492
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 4: so we like went crazy getting this thing finished. And

1493
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 4: then find out I finally asked I finally actually asked

1494
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 4: Green when we were when this was going out. She said, oh,

1495
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 4: like a month or so.

1496
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my gosh, man, well, yeah,

1497
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of Yeah, I got a bunch

1498
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 1: of travels, so we got it's totally fine.

1499
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 4: But I just you should have been in our household

1500
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 4: two weeks ago. My hair was falling out.

1501
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 5: You know.

1502
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 4: Charlotte's like, I don't know if I'm leaving him or not.

1503
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 4: So it's just, uh it's so we're so I'm raising

1504
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 4: money to do record. Uh yeah, I'm in a place

1505
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 4: now where I've got Charlotte's gonna help me. Uh. I've

1506
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 4: I've redone my business and I'm starting it uh fresh

1507
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 4: with her helping me. Uh to just she's just like

1508
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 4: I said, she's just my partner and keeps me in check.

1509
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 4: And so we're gonna try to put out this third record.

1510
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 4: You know, I've really I've been down through there with

1511
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 4: record labels. My brother, Drew Denny is his name. He

1512
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 4: actually heard my song on y'all show because he's an

1513
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 4: avid fan, avid listener, a big fan of So he

1514
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 4: calls me and he says, hey, your song is playing

1515
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 4: at the end of this podcast that I love. And

1516
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 4: I said, well, uh, that's news to.

1517
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 7: Me, so uh, paperwork.

1518
01:26:54,680 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 4: I've already seen it. I'm just kidding, no, but I

1519
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 4: think here's something that does happen when you let go

1520
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 4: of things in your world and you are succumbed to addiction.

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01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 4: You lose track of taking care of the things you

1522
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 4: need to take care of, and people take advantage of you.

1523
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 4: And they do that because you leave yourself wide open

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01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 4: to it. And I haven't received any kind of accounting

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01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 4: or anything on my second record for anything. And this

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01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 4: is not the only thing that I've heard about, you know,

1527
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 4: not to mention, not a dime from any Spotify songs anything.

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01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,639
Speaker 4: I have not seen a dime from that record since

1529
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 4: it came out. So it's not y'all, it's it's partly

1530
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 4: me and it's partly the business. It's not made up

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01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 4: of honest people. I'm not calling them liars, but they're

1532
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 4: not going to come out and do the right thing

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01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 4: by you, just for no good reason, you know what

1534
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 4: I mean. And so I'm doing a Kickstarter to be

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01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 4: able to do this record and have some say in

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01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 4: my career, in my life. I believe that that it's

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01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 4: gonna happen. You know. It's Uh, the album is called

1538
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 4: Blue Jeans g E. N E S. Blue Jeans got

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01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 4: It And that's gonna be the name for the kickstarter campaign.

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01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna kick in on the Kickstarter.

1541
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 4: Oh well, thank.

1542
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,919
Speaker 3: You, we can help kick off the Kickstarter.

1543
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 4: Well we we do appreciate that because uh, we're you know,

1544
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 4: and there's some some great things giving back to on there.

1545
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 4: So you know, it's not gonna be something that you

1546
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 4: just give money, and you know you'll be a part

1547
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 4: of making something happen that needed to happen for a

1548
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:43,520
Speaker 4: long time. And it's gonna be my best record I've got.

1549
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Speaker 12: Uh.

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01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 4: I can't remember Chad's last name, but he's the guy

1551
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 4: I worked with in Norman, Oklahoma at Black Watch Studios.

1552
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 4: He's gonna he's the guy I wanted to record it, y'all.

1553
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 4: When I went and recorded with him a few years ago,

1554
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 4: I thought to myself. This is about ten years ago.

1555
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 4: This guy is going to do big things and he's

1556
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 4: he's worked on like Kelly Clarkson albums. They fly them

1557
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 4: out to to mix. You know, he's just great. He's talented,

1558
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 4: and he's going to take on recording this and producing

1559
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 4: it if we come up with the money to do it, And.

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01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Well, how much money does it take to do something

1561
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: like that.

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01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 4: We're I think we're asking for like twenty five because

1563
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 4: we're I need I need money to run a press

1564
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 4: campaign for several months. That's important to me.

1565
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: So well, man, I'm glad you. I'm glad you sobered up.

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01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1567
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't mind a little bit drinking, but I'm glad

1568
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: you're not drinking. Drinking. Well, he probably shuld stay away

1569
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 1: from any kind of drinking.

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01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 16: I do. I do.

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01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 4: JT knows that I don't need to drink, so he

1572
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 4: can he can tell you that.

1573
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Well, dude, thanks so much for coming on.

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01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 4: Man.

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01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 1: That means the world to me that you came out.

1576
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate it a lot. Get to know you, love

1577
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: your love your music. I can't wait for you to

1578
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: make more. I'm glad you got cleaned up and didn't

1579
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 1: kill yourself.

1580
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 4: Yeah me too, all right, dude, thanks man, Thanks.

1581
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: All right, So how do they find the starter? One

1582
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 1: last time? How do you find a kickstarter?

1583
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 4: It's it's under it's gonna be Christopher Denny Blue, your

1584
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 4: last name d E n n y and it's a

1585
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 4: blue Jeans g E n E s like the genes

1586
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 4: you're born with and I was born with blue ones.

1587
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 4: And uh so it's gonna be the Blue Jeans album

1588
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 4: Christopher Denny a Kickstarter and then uh that yeah, that's it.

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01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 4: That's damn man.

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01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad for you. Thanks dude.

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01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, also Christopher Denny's music page on Facebook, and

1592
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 4: then uh there's links there to Instagram and all that.

1593
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm sorry that I don't have the Instagram.

1594
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 4: But okay, thank you, thank you so much. I appreciate that.

1595
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: All right, keep it up, all right, thank you very much.

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01:30:46,640 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1597
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 14: On a seal gray shine like silver in the sun,

1598
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 14: ride ride, ride on along, sweetheart.

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01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 9: We're done beat this damp horse to death, taking a

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01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 9: new one and ride away. We're done beat this damn

1601
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 9: horse today, so take a new one and ride on