Speaker 1: Hell I Suck At Dating with De Nouggler and Jared
Speaker 1: Haven and I Heard radio podcast. All right, welcome to
Speaker 1: this week's episode of Help I Suck At Dating. We
Speaker 1: have a pretty great episode for you this week. It's
Speaker 1: been a sensation all over the internet, all over the
Speaker 1: world probably, but more specifically all from Netflix. It's called
Speaker 1: Love is Blind. And if you haven't listened, if you
Speaker 1: even watched the show by now, you are just you're
Speaker 1: missing out because it's fantastic. Jared, I guess we'll get
Speaker 1: to this in a second, but apparently he hasn't really
Speaker 1: watched much of the show anyways. It's it's a great show.
Speaker 1: It's it dives into dating and what it's like to
Speaker 1: agree to date someone that you've never even seen in
Speaker 1: person before. It's basically the exact opposite of dating apps,
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Um And we have a very
Speaker 1: special guest on this week's episode that was from that show.
Speaker 1: Should we tell them who it is right now? Yes?
Speaker 1: Can you say the name? It is? Jeannina Belly? Yes?
Speaker 1: Who she's like the most popular contest Sonomy. He was
Speaker 1: my favorite contestant on the show. She was the one who,
Speaker 1: when proposed to she proposed back right, Well, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: come We'll get to that point later on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she proposed, she got proposed to and then proposed back.
Speaker 1: Fantastic story, great love story. But then she got left
Speaker 1: at the altar. But then it turns out that they
Speaker 1: got back together. So maybe we can get a little
Speaker 1: more inside and what happened between then and then. But Jared,
Speaker 1: so you haven't seen Love. You've seen a couple episodes.
Speaker 1: I've seen a couple episodes so well, I've seen like
Speaker 1: bits and pieces. I don't watch dating shows, which is
Speaker 1: obviously the most hypocritical thing I could say, because I
Speaker 1: met my wife on a dating show. But I I
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't watch every episode of Bachelor. Um
Speaker 1: Ashley is obsessed with Love is Blind. It's what the
Speaker 1: number one show on Netflix, and it has been for
Speaker 1: quite some time now. I didn't see Daylight for a
Speaker 1: solid forty eight hours. You just powered through. I powered
Speaker 1: through that I would accorded to it. I would go home,
Speaker 1: I would stay up an extra hour just to finish it,
Speaker 1: knowing I've worked early next morning. I thought you meant
Speaker 1: that there was a show called Daylight that I was
Speaker 1: missing out on. As Daylight, you met actual daylight because
Speaker 1: you stayed inside. So what's so addicting about it? Because
Speaker 1: everybody is obsessed with this show? What is what? What
Speaker 1: is it? I think it's just because it's a social experiment.
Speaker 1: They got a pretty good cast, they're all pretty different
Speaker 1: in so many different ways, and then they all enter
Speaker 1: into relationships that are all super different. Like, for instance,
Speaker 1: every time Cameron and Lauren were on screen, Calin was
Speaker 1: always like freaking out, like every like every single time
Speaker 1: Cameron came on screen, Kalin had to say, Cameron's so
Speaker 1: so in love with this girl, like every single time,
Speaker 1: like without fail. She was like, Cameron's obsessed with Lauren.
Speaker 1: And it's true. It's like you watched their story unfold
Speaker 1: and Cameron is is absolutely upset with Lauren. It's just
Speaker 1: interesting to see that dynamic unfold, especially because he's blite
Speaker 1: and she's black, and they talk about that a lot
Speaker 1: on the show. And then you see like Gianni Ginina
Speaker 1: and Damien Uh, and honestly, I don't I didn't really
Speaker 1: think that their relationship was all that great, Like you
Speaker 1: always see them arguing with each other, you always see
Speaker 1: them so mismatched. Uh. And then who else is there?
Speaker 1: There's Barnett, Jessica, Barnett and an Amber love triangle. Barnett
Speaker 1: and Amber. They're an interesting couple. And then that's I
Speaker 1: didn't like Jessica. She just she just really seemed Jessica
Speaker 1: and Anthony right, the older woman and the younger man.
Speaker 1: And Mark. This name is Anthony, So Marcus his name,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for I'm just hearing Mark Anthony over here.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get over. I couldn't get over how like
Speaker 1: critical and judgmental she was consistently being of Mark. Well,
Speaker 1: let's set this up for Jared. So, Jared, this is
Speaker 1: a girl who are a woman who was thirty four
Speaker 1: years old, and she ended up having feelings towards someone
Speaker 1: who's twenty four years old, and she was very hung
Speaker 1: up over the fact that he was this much younger.
Speaker 1: And I would like to know your guys thoughts on
Speaker 1: would you ever be able to date ten years older
Speaker 1: or younger? I personally don't think it's an issue, but
Speaker 1: she made it seem like it was the end of
Speaker 1: the freaking world. At the end of the world. Well,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: a topic of conversation. But I don't like how people
Speaker 1: just say age is just a number. To a certain extent,
Speaker 1: I guess I agree with it, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: I also don't agree with it. Like you said, for example,
Speaker 1: Claire is a new bachelrette, she's thirty eight. Say she
Speaker 1: picked somebody who's twenty three, twenty four, You guys are
Speaker 1: just gonna say age is the number. I mean there
Speaker 1: is a discrepancy just for just like this girl's thirty
Speaker 1: four and then the guys twenty four. I actually know
Speaker 1: who this couple is. This is I saw this. I
Speaker 1: saw her in the pod talking about their age difference,
Speaker 1: and sure she has. I mean, it's not the end
Speaker 1: of the world. I think she's probably being dramatic, but
Speaker 1: you have to talk about it. I think my point
Speaker 1: is is there's no like blanket, uh there. You can't
Speaker 1: just put a bandit over and be like nope, ten
Speaker 1: a ten years is too much. This twenty four year old,
Speaker 1: time and time and time and time again, was like Jessica,
Speaker 1: listen to me, like I don't. I'm not a normal
Speaker 1: twenty four year old. I want to get married to you,
Speaker 1: I want to have your children. I love you. I'm
Speaker 1: here for you. I want to be the person that
Speaker 1: you need me to be. Like, this dude wasn't just
Speaker 1: a normal twenty four year old. He was all in.
Speaker 1: He was more mature than uh any thirty four forty
Speaker 1: four year old in Los Angeles, for instance. Like the
Speaker 1: ten years is a big number, yes, but this kid,
Speaker 1: this dude was a kid. This dude is acting like
Speaker 1: the most mature man, I think, more so than a
Speaker 1: lot of the guys on the season. Even so, that's
Speaker 1: what was so frustrating with me was she was so
Speaker 1: fixated on them being ten years apart, and she was
Speaker 1: completely overlooking everything that he stood for and was about.
Speaker 1: And I think that it was just because she was
Speaker 1: still so hung up on that Barnet guy. Well. Her
Speaker 1: her reasoning halfway through the show was that she said
Speaker 1: that she dated a forty one year old somebody who
Speaker 1: was about ten years older than her, and she felt
Speaker 1: like she had to speed through time to be where
Speaker 1: he was and kind of missed out on some things
Speaker 1: in between. And she was fearful of Mark going through
Speaker 1: that as well. But I want to ask a question,
Speaker 1: would you guys have if dating older that means you
Speaker 1: would go into um having kids probably somewhat soon after
Speaker 1: that marriage and being a dad, and you would have
Speaker 1: to have a career established. Do you think that you
Speaker 1: would have gone back being like, yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish I was in the party stage a little bit.
Speaker 1: Or I think I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's not her to acsion to make for him, And
Speaker 1: that's what was so frustrating about it was she was
Speaker 1: projecting what she thought was best onto him, when in
Speaker 1: reality he was sitting there saying, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: any of that. I know what I want, or or
Speaker 1: she was protecting herself because she knew, like Tori said,
Speaker 1: she she's been there, she's been twenty four and she
Speaker 1: was like, in five years, you're going to regret it.
Speaker 1: And I know that you're gonna regret it. And I'm
Speaker 1: not looking out for your interests. I'm looking out for
Speaker 1: mine because I know that day is gonna come. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not saying she's right or wrong. I'm
Speaker 1: just being in Cotrain because I like doing that. I
Speaker 1: do think that, of course, if you're twenty four and
Speaker 1: you prove yourself over and over and over again that
Speaker 1: you are ready for relationships and then then of course
Speaker 1: she should look past that and take him for his word.
Speaker 1: But I do think that there should be a serious
Speaker 1: conversation about it. But if she's being if she's taking
Speaker 1: out of proportion, then yeah, of course she's being ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Similar to Janina and Damien. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw this part of the show either, but they get
Speaker 1: up to the altar. Eventually he says I. He says,
Speaker 1: I do, and then they asked her the same question
Speaker 1: and she says, I do not. Jessica Tomorrow, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're right, essentially rebukes Mark's offered to be her husband.
Speaker 1: Let's just give okay. So the concept of the show,
Speaker 1: you're in pods for nine days, right, and you don't
Speaker 1: see each other, and then you fall in love because
Speaker 1: love is blind, and then you see each other and
Speaker 1: then you're you have a month before you decide where
Speaker 1: they're getting marided or not. It's kind of like thirty
Speaker 1: day fiance. So you have the pods. You essentially asked
Speaker 1: that person to marry you in the pods without ever
Speaker 1: seeing them get engaged, and then the next day there's
Speaker 1: a wall that comes up and it's like first reveal
Speaker 1: of your partner that you already agreed to marry. I
Speaker 1: think they all asked them again if they wanted to
Speaker 1: marry them after seeing them, like, hey, do you still
Speaker 1: want to marry me? And they're all like yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like after ten days they hit a point
Speaker 1: where it's okay, do you want to take this to
Speaker 1: the next step? Will you marry me? And they say yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and then they spend a week in Mexico. Well,
Speaker 1: and then they have the grand reveal where they meet
Speaker 1: each other, which is what you're saying, they get down
Speaker 1: on one knee and repropose. So there were a lot
Speaker 1: of times where even Mark index Jessica when they were
Speaker 1: having is too is, he was like, I literally got
Speaker 1: on a knee and reproposed to you, and you saw
Speaker 1: who I was, and so why did you say yes? Then?
Speaker 1: If you were having hesitations right there in that moment,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we saw anyone say no at
Speaker 1: that point, right, they all said yes? And I think
Speaker 1: it's also it's but let's be honest, you're you're human,
Speaker 1: You're in front of cameras. There's so much pressure on
Speaker 1: these people, you know. I always think you ever seen
Speaker 1: The Night Before with Seth Rogan and Joseph Gordon love
Speaker 1: It at the end of the movie. So throughout the
Speaker 1: movie Joseph Gordon Love It. He's having troubles with his
Speaker 1: girlfriend and they break up, and so at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, his buddies are like, you should be
Speaker 1: doing like this grand romantic gesture for so what he
Speaker 1: does in front of a party. He goes up and
Speaker 1: he proposes in front of like four hundred of her coworkers,
Speaker 1: and she goes yes, and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. And they get off stage and she's like,
Speaker 1: why the hell did you propose? And he's like, you
Speaker 1: just said yes, and she's like, of course I'm going
Speaker 1: to say yes. Like I'm surrounded by all my friends,
Speaker 1: like friends and family. I'm not going to embarras like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say no. And so I'm curious in
Speaker 1: situations like this, if someone like Jessica just felt the
Speaker 1: pressure of sing yes and she's like, I We'll just
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out later. I'll say yes right now,
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out later. And maybe she got to
Speaker 1: a point where at the altar she knew that there
Speaker 1: was no going back what makes that difference in the
Speaker 1: Bachelor or Bachelor at It doesn't doesn't. So you think
Speaker 1: people have been pressured to say yes names. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there are people. I'm sure you can look
Speaker 1: up stories where people feel like they got engaged far
Speaker 1: to I mean, far too soon. Uh. And I'm also
Speaker 1: not talking about producer pressure. I'm just talking about pressure
Speaker 1: of society. And you know, listen, we we sign ourselves
Speaker 1: up for the show, but we also I don't think
Speaker 1: every realistically think by the end of it we're going
Speaker 1: to be down on one knee or saying yes the proposal.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm you know, like, um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to name namething. I think there is
Speaker 1: one that's been pretty public as a friend of the podcast,
Speaker 1: Taylor Nolan was h was put on the spot with
Speaker 1: Derek and she she's been pretty open about that. I
Speaker 1: think he's been open about it as well. She was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say no in from of all
Speaker 1: those people, even though she didn't really want to get
Speaker 1: married at that time. You know, I have the maybe
Speaker 1: way too longer that would have changed things. I'm sure
Speaker 1: if you asked Grant and Lace, they would probably say
Speaker 1: that maybe they got engaged too soon. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: could look at any failed engagement Ben and Lauren, Nick
Speaker 1: and Vanessa, Chris and let's get been on right now?
Speaker 1: Christ Crystal. Oh um, yeah, I don't know. It's always awkward.
Speaker 1: We have a question. This is such a new concept.
Speaker 1: But obviously The Bachelor has been going on for a
Speaker 1: long time now. If this were to all start again
Speaker 1: and this show came out and The Bachelor just came out,
Speaker 1: which show would intrigue you the most? To go on Bachelor? Still? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: but why these I would get a traveler in the
Speaker 1: world in the prospect of not seeing something, were going
Speaker 1: to go to Yeah, cool, privileged. We went to Mexico
Speaker 1: for paradise. That's a good point. Some of us even
Speaker 1: want to fuse for paradise. Yes, I did. Wait what,
Speaker 1: I went to Bachelor in Paradise, Australia before actually and
Speaker 1: I were together. I didn't know that I went at
Speaker 1: the same time that she did Winter Games. I went
Speaker 1: down there for two weeks, made it through five rows ceremonies,
Speaker 1: didn't kiss anybody. I somehow miraculously just coasted right by
Speaker 1: as only I can do. Uh. And then I got back,
Speaker 1: and then she filmed wunch of games and then obviously
Speaker 1: everything changed. But where was I Alfiji were traveling? The
Speaker 1: prospect of not seeing someone for ten days, Um oh,
Speaker 1: that's scary. Do that kind of intrigue you. I think
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty good judge of facial structure based off
Speaker 1: of voice alone. I think I do a pretty good
Speaker 1: job of painting a picture in my head of what
Speaker 1: someone looked like, just based off how they sound. Like.
Speaker 1: When have you ever detailed like whenever you put effort
Speaker 1: into that? Listen. I'm not saying that I've done it before.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking that, and I would be pretty good
Speaker 1: at it. This has zero credibility credibility. I think that
Speaker 1: I would be pretty good at gauging whether i'd be
Speaker 1: physically attracted someone based totally off the voice. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that. I don't think you're literally saying that if
Speaker 1: a dog barks, you'd be like, yep, that was it.
Speaker 1: I think you can't tell. I'm not saying whether they're
Speaker 1: gonna but what breed they're going to be a human,
Speaker 1: But I'm going to be able to say whether I
Speaker 1: think they're going to be hot or not. Why not
Speaker 1: we have to test this theory out. If a dog
Speaker 1: barks next zero, If a dog barks, I could be like,
Speaker 1: that's a cute dog. No, we should have someone that
Speaker 1: he We should have we should have a producer or
Speaker 1: somebody that works that I hear, and then we will
Speaker 1: record an episode and she will be behind the wall.
Speaker 1: Actually want I want her to talk to cry and
Speaker 1: then no, no no, no, it doesn't have to be cupid.
Speaker 1: When you say you can describe the person, would you
Speaker 1: be able to tell like brunette blonde, but chen cleft nose,
Speaker 1: you'd be able to go into a little bit of details.
Speaker 1: Do you think you could get a little details? Two pierces,
Speaker 1: two piercings on their left ear hip? Oh? Absolutely high.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll do We shouldn't do what? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe you do sound a little I don't really think
Speaker 1: about it. I don't really want to get it. Would
Speaker 1: do this? It sounds fun? All right? Next week on
Speaker 1: half my second day, they we're going to have a
Speaker 1: pot experiment. I would somebody in the next few minutes
Speaker 1: to do it here, to do it at the very
Speaker 1: end after we in your view, we know everybody here
Speaker 1: though we don't know. We might have I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll figure it out if we can't do exactly, but
Speaker 1: that the prospect of not seeing someone that you're talking
Speaker 1: to for nine days would scare me as as I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but of course as anybody. I'll just admit it. Physical
Speaker 1: attraction is a huge part of a relationship, and so
Speaker 1: the idea of falling in love with someone and developing
Speaker 1: such strong feelings and not seeing them, because then in
Speaker 1: your head it's like, well, what what if I'm not
Speaker 1: attracted to them? And beauty is an eye the beholder.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like attraction is only one level, right,
Speaker 1: Like what I find beautiful is different from what Dean
Speaker 1: finds beautiful, and what you find beautiful is different than
Speaker 1: what actually finds beautiful. But like, what if this person
Speaker 1: isn't Like do you think this would be harder on
Speaker 1: men than females. Um, I think it's the opposite. I
Speaker 1: think it would be harder on females. For instance, Jessica
Speaker 1: and Mark. Jessica Marcus a little shorter than the rest,
Speaker 1: shorter than average, and Jessica saw him and she was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: you're too short, when in reality he was like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm five nine, you know, like this is how tall
Speaker 1: I am, and yet she still listening to it. I
Speaker 1: think that there's I think that men are maybe better
Speaker 1: at gauging the the physical compatibility of the partner off
Speaker 1: of the voice. So no, do you guys think you
Speaker 1: all men? And I'm pointing to you two are a
Speaker 1: little shallow, but we are, you know, representing representing all
Speaker 1: men on this podcast? Here are you all shallow? A
Speaker 1: little ounce of you you look deep and you're like
Speaker 1: a little Everybody is a little shallow, And if you
Speaker 1: don't think you are, you're probably maybe a little narcissistic.
Speaker 1: I know I'm being a little harsh. Maybe I don't
Speaker 1: leave that. Well, what I'm saying is like, but from
Speaker 1: the shallows, Um, I just I well, what do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I agree with Jared. I think you know that on
Speaker 1: that everyone is a little shallow to varying degrees. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter guy or girl, It just matters person to person.
Speaker 1: Maybe on average guys are slightly more shallow, But that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that women aren't shallow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Here's what I will say about this little love is
Speaker 1: Blind experiment. I do find that once I get to
Speaker 1: know someone, they become either more or less physically attractive,
Speaker 1: like attractive in my eyes. They you know, like when
Speaker 1: when I get to meet someone who's very, very, very attractive,
Speaker 1: but their personality sucks, they become less and less attractive
Speaker 1: to me. And on the flip side of that, I
Speaker 1: met Kyle Kylin looks the exact same as the day
Speaker 1: that I met her, but I'm more attracted to her
Speaker 1: now than I was back then. And actually, there you go.
Speaker 1: So there is something to be said about that. So
Speaker 1: maybe they already have in the back of their head
Speaker 1: this physical attraction with them just based on their personality.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyways, Well, we're gonna find out because
Speaker 1: Janina is going to come and we are going to
Speaker 1: ask her some questions. Get to the root of all
Speaker 1: of these questions. Hopefully that's gonna come up next. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna want to miss it. Love is Blind. Janina
Speaker 1: Jibelly is going to be joining us. Stay tuned for that.
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Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. All right, and we are back with
Speaker 1: Janina Jibelli from Love is Blind. Everyone has been obsessing
Speaker 1: about this show lately, right, Hello, I guess it's the
Speaker 1: number one show on Netflix. Genie, and thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: And Genie that I'm sure if you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: you probably are, you know, because she's one of your
Speaker 1: favorite from the show. You are one of the fan
Speaker 1: favorites by by a lot. I think, thank you. Yes,
Speaker 1: i think I'm in the top three. Yeah, I'm on
Speaker 1: to put you on that. Beto still absolutely how is
Speaker 1: everything going? So she's on the show Love is Blind.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit at it a little bit
Speaker 1: at the top of the podcast. I've seen every episode,
Speaker 1: just finished it last night. But actually I have some
Speaker 1: questions for you. But before we do that, can you
Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about how you ended
Speaker 1: up on Love Is Blind? Yeah, of course. Um. So,
Speaker 1: I was actually at a bar with a couple of
Speaker 1: my girlfriends and I was telling them how there are
Speaker 1: no more men for me in the city. And at
Speaker 1: that moment, my phone let up and it was this
Speaker 1: d M on Instagram from this woman that was casting,
Speaker 1: and I picked up the phone right there, and then
Speaker 1: she told me that I could potentially fall in love
Speaker 1: with someone without meeting them, and then you could have
Speaker 1: a wedding. And I was like, this is weird and
Speaker 1: this is never gonna happen, but your timing is actually
Speaker 1: perfect because I had just given up all hope and
Speaker 1: I'm a little weird, so maybe it works out. And
Speaker 1: I never thought I was going to actually get picked
Speaker 1: to go through the process, but all and behold, I'm
Speaker 1: here sitting with you guys and talking about me right now.
Speaker 1: And this was as this was like two years ago,
Speaker 1: right because that films like a year and a half
Speaker 1: plus a year and a half ago. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: there was this piece of my life that was just
Speaker 1: out there in the universe and not knowing whether it
Speaker 1: was going to come out or what was going to
Speaker 1: happen to it. And but it was good to have
Speaker 1: that time for you know, with myself and with Damien,
Speaker 1: and we were able to really build a strong bond.
Speaker 1: When was the reunion show filled? The reunion show was
Speaker 1: built up like three weeks ago, okay, so it was
Speaker 1: recently filmed. It was resent and this is this is
Speaker 1: my question that I wanted to get to you later,
Speaker 1: but we're here, so might as well ask it now.
Speaker 1: Is the last episode he leaves you at the altars essentially, right,
Speaker 1: and then we don't really see much from you guys
Speaker 1: until the reunion, and then even at the reunion we
Speaker 1: kind of just brush over it, like you guys are dating.
Speaker 1: I felt like, right, it was like so abrupt in
Speaker 1: my opinion, So what happened between the ending of the
Speaker 1: last episode and the filming of the reunion that we
Speaker 1: didn't get to see? Yeah, So basically that night actually
Speaker 1: I reached out to him and I was like, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Here because I'm really direct. I don't like
Speaker 1: to waste time, and I just did the wedding night
Speaker 1: of the wedding, Yes, the night of the wedding, and
Speaker 1: I just don't want to lose sleep over it. And
Speaker 1: we had just gone through this such an amazing journey
Speaker 1: together and he did want to date me, and um,
Speaker 1: maybe a marriage wasn't right for us, but doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that we can explore relationship outside of this. But I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, can't we be friends. Let's just not
Speaker 1: leave it on a sour note. And then what ended
Speaker 1: up happening was we just kind of like held each
Speaker 1: other and cried it out, and he snuck us back
Speaker 1: into our old apartment and we've been together ever since,
Speaker 1: ever since, ever since. And has there been because the
Speaker 1: issues that we saw on the show, and correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but it seemed like there was sometimes
Speaker 1: like a lack of passion. I remember that was one
Speaker 1: of your big arguments, was you were upset how sometimes
Speaker 1: to just grab you and like, yeah, express himself right,
Speaker 1: And so I have those issues that you guys have
Speaker 1: experienced at least that we get got to see on
Speaker 1: the show. Is it something that you're continually working on.
Speaker 1: Is it something that seems to be water under the
Speaker 1: bridge at this point. No, he definitely fixed that. I
Speaker 1: mean he would tell me like, you know, I'm holding
Speaker 1: back and holding back, and I was like, why are
Speaker 1: you holding back? And I mean we just really met
Speaker 1: each other, so I can understand why it takes a
Speaker 1: while to get into that rhythm. But yeah, sometimes I
Speaker 1: just have to be like, can you just not touch
Speaker 1: me right now? Like I'm trying to focus. So it's nice,
Speaker 1: like we're you know, we've definitely have that passion and
Speaker 1: our relationship. It's just really good to know that we
Speaker 1: can have that open communication, which isn't always always easy
Speaker 1: because you guys are very opposite, but opposite intact, as
Speaker 1: they always say, Yeah, we balance each other out. I'm
Speaker 1: like that spontaneous, let's do this, let's you know, be loud,
Speaker 1: let's last minute, and he's just like, well, let's think
Speaker 1: about it, let's plan. I'm like, no, let's do it
Speaker 1: right now. So it's definitely a good balance because he
Speaker 1: keeps me out of trouble and I get him in trouble.
Speaker 1: You were um because I watched the show with my
Speaker 1: girlfriend and every time you were on the screen. We
Speaker 1: were like, all right, because you you were like really
Speaker 1: good at like emoting, and you you explain what you're
Speaker 1: feeling really well. And then you also like like you
Speaker 1: look like you're feeling too, which is pretty cool, Like
Speaker 1: you can like see visibly how either upset or happy
Speaker 1: you are at all times. And so every time you
Speaker 1: were on camera, I was like, all right, here we go.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be interesting. And I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just always appreciated whenever you were on the show because
Speaker 1: I knew that we were gonna get something that was
Speaker 1: real and authentic. Um I personally I thought when you
Speaker 1: and Damien were, you know, arguing and all those times,
Speaker 1: I was always like, this is gonna end so poorly.
Speaker 1: And then you would like run into his bedroom and
Speaker 1: you guys would start making out. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just such an interesting thing. And people always think that
Speaker 1: bachelors on a condensed timeline, but you guys, like you said,
Speaker 1: you barely knew each other. Well after the Pods, we
Speaker 1: felt like we knew each other for like a year.
Speaker 1: It was a true experiment in the sense that you're
Speaker 1: there for nine days, but you lose sense of all
Speaker 1: time and space really, so you're like, what years it really?
Speaker 1: And um, you go through so much release of like
Speaker 1: who you are and you face these obstacles with this
Speaker 1: person before ever meeting them, that you're like, I've known
Speaker 1: you forever, um, and then you actually see them and
Speaker 1: that's when like a lot of like the physical external
Speaker 1: attributes just kind of start hitting you across face and um,
Speaker 1: I mean to your point, like, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for just saying that, like you liked seeing me, because
Speaker 1: my entire life I was like, I'm so weird, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I talk in circles and everyone always
Speaker 1: says that, like my face is so expressive and and
Speaker 1: these are things that people would tell me in a
Speaker 1: negative way. But the fact that it's like this is
Speaker 1: me and that's who I was on the screen and
Speaker 1: people appreciate that, I'm like, thank you so much. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: as long as you can embrace that. So, so after
Speaker 1: the first or after the last episode, how did your
Speaker 1: father react to you guys kind of kicking things back
Speaker 1: up again? My dad, So I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can tell, but when Damien tells me, no, my dad
Speaker 1: is actually very relaxed. And I think it's because he
Speaker 1: knew that we needed more time, and he loves he
Speaker 1: loves Damien to this day, and he liked him then too.
Speaker 1: It's just again that that condensed timeline. There's just so
Speaker 1: much pressure, and my mom just wanted to kick his ass,
Speaker 1: right um. But she she was the one that ran
Speaker 1: out after you and consold you. Yes, yeah, um. And
Speaker 1: you know she didn't like to see me being rejected
Speaker 1: up there, and my dad wasn't happy about that either,
Speaker 1: But the fact that they both liked him and just
Speaker 1: knew that we needed more time, And after I explained
Speaker 1: to them, I'm like, no, he treats me like a princess.
Speaker 1: He treats me like gold. Like we knew that already.
Speaker 1: We just didn't like that. You saw, we saw the
Speaker 1: rejection piece, and I'm like, it's okay, Like we're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, and everyone's a big happy You don't have
Speaker 1: any like secondhand embarrassment by that. No, I don't really
Speaker 1: get embarrassed. I just I just, yeah, I don't like
Speaker 1: to dwell. I really just learned from my mistakes, because
Speaker 1: if not, I would probably in the be in the
Speaker 1: corner in a fetal position. Right now, I my family
Speaker 1: and my friends just have like this like saying where
Speaker 1: it's like that's such a G thing, or like that's
Speaker 1: such a G moment because I am constantly like impulsive
Speaker 1: and abruptive and things happen to me all the time.
Speaker 1: So if I was embarrassed, I wouldn't be here right now,
Speaker 1: was there? So there basically was no downtime between that
Speaker 1: um essentially leaving the wedding day and then you guys
Speaker 1: like reigniting at least an interest in dating each other. Right,
Speaker 1: It was basically like, Okay, that's done with let's remove
Speaker 1: the pressure of marriage, but let's at least like date
Speaker 1: each other regularly. Now, Yeah, pretty much. And I think
Speaker 1: what we told each other was just like let's just
Speaker 1: take it day by day, you know, like we're not engaged.
Speaker 1: We don't have to be a boyfriend and girlfriend, but
Speaker 1: like we both know what the other one is going
Speaker 1: through and we love each other, so let's just see
Speaker 1: how we are tomorrow. Let's see how we are the
Speaker 1: next day. And a year and a half later, I
Speaker 1: can't believe it's been a year and a half. So
Speaker 1: they spent a year and a half essentially editing the show.
Speaker 1: It sounds right because how long has it been on Netflix?
Speaker 1: For it's been on Netflix if I think about a month, right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not just editing. I'm sure there's a
Speaker 1: lot that goes into a show. Whatever it's besides filming
Speaker 1: and editing. To cut, you put a few clips together,
Speaker 1: put it on Instagram, good to go, and that's it.
Speaker 1: But there was like so much foot issue, guys. So
Speaker 1: for nine days alone in the pods there was four
Speaker 1: over four of footage and there was thirty of us.
Speaker 1: So I guess like being able to pick which stories
Speaker 1: they wanted to find and the storylines and I don't
Speaker 1: know what goes on behind the scenes and cameras were
Speaker 1: put were filmed. That's insane. Yeah, with this show. This
Speaker 1: is this show dwarfs anything Batcher has ever done? In
Speaker 1: my opinion, do you feel any pressure to now be
Speaker 1: in a public relationship, to be in a public relationship,
Speaker 1: We'll like think about it because before your relationship, now
Speaker 1: you know, the only people that cared about that relationship
Speaker 1: where your your friends, your family, whoever else. But now
Speaker 1: have a million plus people that are familiar with your
Speaker 1: story and outlore than that, they're invested in you and
Speaker 1: your boyfriend so it's like, do you feel pressure from
Speaker 1: that at all or not? Really? No, I think we're
Speaker 1: I handle like the social media aspect and all of that.
Speaker 1: I think like pretty pretty normal, pretty well. If they
Speaker 1: want to know more about my relationship or hey, let's
Speaker 1: I want to see pictures of you and Dame, like cool,
Speaker 1: I have a whole album that I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: post for a year and a half, So that's fine.
Speaker 1: Um as far as like wanting to know super intimate details,
Speaker 1: like I do want to create boundaries, but if people
Speaker 1: want to have, you know, maybe ask for advice about
Speaker 1: how to deal with telling your boyfriend that you want
Speaker 1: the sex to be better. Like those are things that
Speaker 1: I'm happy to talk about. How how is it, like, so,
Speaker 1: did you have to hide your relationship kind of but
Speaker 1: not really? I guess kind of not really because you
Speaker 1: can't post online because once the show you didn't want
Speaker 1: the show to be spoiled once people started watching it.
Speaker 1: But then you could probably tell your friends family because
Speaker 1: nobody at the time you know, your friends, family and
Speaker 1: people you care about obviously knew who you guys were
Speaker 1: or that you were dating. So you're kind of hiding
Speaker 1: a but not really, we're like producers always calling you
Speaker 1: guys catching up. No, it was just crazy, Well except
Speaker 1: for the great, wonderful Fani obviously exactly. I mean I
Speaker 1: have I have my favorites, but right we all have to.
Speaker 1: But I think is my favorite obviously, Yes, Tori, Tori,
Speaker 1: You're great. She was gonna shop my head off, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, because we were just focusing on, you know,
Speaker 1: having a normal relationship. We people would ask us, hey, like,
Speaker 1: how did you meet? And so we wouldn't be like
Speaker 1: we've been on a dating show, because honestly, we would
Speaker 1: forget sometimes. I don't know about you guys, but we
Speaker 1: would just be like, oh, like that actually happened. But
Speaker 1: I think it's different for Bachelor, just because it happened
Speaker 1: so quickly, Like literally it airs two months after films,
Speaker 1: so you're kind of still in the middle of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And if that would have happened to us, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we would be together because it's just so
Speaker 1: much happening at once, and my feelings were so raw
Speaker 1: and we had to, you know, just like build ourselves
Speaker 1: up after such a big disruptive thing happening to our lives.
Speaker 1: But we would just tell our friends that we met
Speaker 1: through mutual friends. I feel like people from Bachelor's say,
Speaker 1: or at least some people say they fell in love
Speaker 1: on the show, but they didn't start dating until after
Speaker 1: the show. Do you relate to that? You work your
Speaker 1: way backwards. So in the show, I was like, it's
Speaker 1: like Benjamin Button, like, you know, you fall in love
Speaker 1: and you you're engaged, but we're still getting to know
Speaker 1: each other. Um and so that's why I think the
Speaker 1: fact that we're still dating is just such like a
Speaker 1: normal flowing thing for us. Do you guys have plans
Speaker 1: for Well, where do you live now? Do you live together? No?
Speaker 1: So he lives. We live in our own different apartments,
Speaker 1: which is good with the same city, same city really
Speaker 1: look five minutes away from each other. Yeah, in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: in Atlanta hopefully one day Los Angeles. Why did it
Speaker 1: seem like everyone was from Atlanta? Because they were. They
Speaker 1: were all from Atlanta. We all got picture and perceptive.
Speaker 1: We were okay. Because Kayla and I were talking about
Speaker 1: the dull time, We're like, why are they all in Atlanta? This?
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't put that together. That makes sense. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to marry someone you want to,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you only live twenty minutes away from me. Dope,
Speaker 1: Like that's going to be easy, you know, And um
Speaker 1: so yeah, everyone's from Atlanta. Um. I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about your podcast, Love Insight the Great Name. Before
Speaker 1: we do that, I just want to ask one more
Speaker 1: question about a timeline of the show, because I am
Speaker 1: the only person on the face of this earth who
Speaker 1: has not seen every episode. I admit this ironically enough.
Speaker 1: I don't watch a lot of dating shows. Actually don't
Speaker 1: watch any neither. So there we go. We can relate.
Speaker 1: We've both been on dating shows and don't watch them. Um.
Speaker 1: But so it was nine days in the pods, then
Speaker 1: you saw Damien, and then how long before between seeing
Speaker 1: him in the altar getting married? Well, almost gonna be right,
Speaker 1: right right, having a wedding a few weeks, right, Ah?
Speaker 1: So I think collectively it was like four weeks since
Speaker 1: I saw him to the wedding, got it physically. What
Speaker 1: was his reasoning again for not wanting to get married?
Speaker 1: So I think, so you didn't watch the whole show,
Speaker 1: but I was going through he It's okay. Not everyone
Speaker 1: has so it's great. It's like like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: the only person in the face of the Urse that hasn't.
Speaker 1: It's the number one show on Netflix for the past
Speaker 1: three weeks. I hear, it sucks you in. Even if
Speaker 1: my wife Seen has seen every episode, she's obsessed. That's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe she should be co hosting this podcast. We'll give
Speaker 1: her a call. So. I was going through a lot
Speaker 1: of like fears and obstacles and doubts because I just
Speaker 1: met you and I love you both. Marriage is such
Speaker 1: a big thing, and you guys are both married, so
Speaker 1: you both understand it. Yeah, we're both married. Are you continue? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Are you married? Are you married? You answer our guest question?
Speaker 1: You were saying, oh okay. So Um, I was going
Speaker 1: through a lot, and I was putting him through a
Speaker 1: lot of challenges to figure out, hey, is this something
Speaker 1: that's right for me, and to see if how would
Speaker 1: he react doing hard times? And he was passing with
Speaker 1: flying colors unknowingly to really me because I self sabotage
Speaker 1: YadA yadi. Yes, so Um, I think while I was
Speaker 1: going through that, he kind of flipped and was like, wait, well,
Speaker 1: I need time now because I want us to be
Speaker 1: like we're best friends and I don't want you to
Speaker 1: have doubts like you're good now, but how do I
Speaker 1: know that you're not going to change your mind next week?
Speaker 1: And that's totally fair. Um. I couldn't give him an answer,
Speaker 1: a direct answer throughout the whole show pretty much, so
Speaker 1: how could I sit here and tell him you need
Speaker 1: to give me an answer now? So he told me
Speaker 1: that he would know when he saw me at the altar,
Speaker 1: and he felt like we still needed to grow as
Speaker 1: friends and to keep building a relationship before tying ourselves
Speaker 1: down to marriage because I'm a very free bird, and
Speaker 1: he felt that that would have kind of kept me
Speaker 1: going to self sabotage. Okay, so the first time, first
Speaker 1: and only so far time that you guys have been
Speaker 1: together on an altar, it didn't go very well. Is
Speaker 1: there any plans or anticipation to be on an altar
Speaker 1: again together? Yeah, you guys are still engaged. No. So
Speaker 1: this is just a ring that my dad gave me
Speaker 1: from and the this is just a cute little thing
Speaker 1: that I like to put on the only finger that
Speaker 1: is a ring finger because I have fat fingers and
Speaker 1: this is the only one that fish. You don't have
Speaker 1: fat fingers? This is a size nine. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know what. I'm pretty sure a fat finger.
Speaker 1: This is a seven my ring fingers, So every time,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you're the same size. I don't
Speaker 1: have small hands. But um, so as far as being
Speaker 1: at the altar again, it's a little too soon for
Speaker 1: me right now. It's a little too soon, man, I can't.
Speaker 1: It's like fifteen years in bachelor world, right. But I
Speaker 1: my end goal was never like I need to be
Speaker 1: married by that time. I'm twenty eight and have like
Speaker 1: five kids by that time. I'my. I've never been like that. So, um,
Speaker 1: if he wants to get married, if we both want
Speaker 1: to get married, I think it'll be just like very intimate,
Speaker 1: pretty much like an elopement type of feel to it,
Speaker 1: like in the hills of Tuscany, like with our closest
Speaker 1: family and friends and just have lester aditional Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: that's amazing. That would be great. Um, So talk about
Speaker 1: your podcast. We want to hear about it. Love Insight
Speaker 1: obviously play off of Love is Blind, right, look at
Speaker 1: that pun action, So Love Insight, Uh, it's a fantastic
Speaker 1: way to just get to know what happened behind the
Speaker 1: scenes or where did all the other you know, fifteen
Speaker 1: love stories go? And um, it's good with Matt money Smith,
Speaker 1: so he's able to just kind of walk me through
Speaker 1: my first podcast experience, which is fantastic, and um, just
Speaker 1: really dive deep, really into what was it like in
Speaker 1: the Pods because we only saw like two episodes, but
Speaker 1: it was so life changing to everyone that was there,
Speaker 1: and just really get everyone's really just their their hardships
Speaker 1: and their obstacles and their successes and it was such
Speaker 1: a special, special experiment, true and true that it's only
Speaker 1: fair that we get to just give you guys all
Speaker 1: the dirt. Are you still pretty close with a lot
Speaker 1: of the fellow cast mates? Pretty close? Yeah. So we
Speaker 1: have a big group chat called the pod squad um
Speaker 1: and so we just tease each other and make jokes
Speaker 1: and I just wish each other good luck. But as
Speaker 1: far as like all the girls, I love every single
Speaker 1: girl that was there. There's no bad blood whatsoever. Which
Speaker 1: one do you dislike the most? There's gotta be one,
Speaker 1: there's always one. He come on, spill a little bit
Speaker 1: of juicy goss for us real quick. Which one can
Speaker 1: you just absolutely not stand? Oh my god, I'm not like, okay,
Speaker 1: so here's for you to wait for you to understand me.
Speaker 1: People would come to me and be like, I don't
Speaker 1: really like her, and I would say, well, I love her.
Speaker 1: I think she's hilarious. I think she's funny. So I
Speaker 1: really just try to find like the good pieces and
Speaker 1: everybody as far as like not really like liking anyone.
Speaker 1: I have like five friends in total, and that's just
Speaker 1: who I am. But I kind of keep everyone like
Speaker 1: I'm your friend. But maybe I won't tell you everything
Speaker 1: about my life. I know, we gotta get you out
Speaker 1: of here. But one more question. Sorry, I feel like
Speaker 1: i'm bo barding you. Was there was there anyone um
Speaker 1: after having met them all besides Damian that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I could I give it a real shot with that guy? Really? So?
Speaker 1: I thought all the men were beautiful, but I think
Speaker 1: because I had I saw them, I really saw them
Speaker 1: for who they were, and I was like, you're just
Speaker 1: my friend. I really I try to picture it all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, Okay, maybe like Kenny, like we're
Speaker 1: both aries, maybe he would have gotten my fire, but
Speaker 1: it's like, no, Kenny would have not like standing me
Speaker 1: for like two seconds. What's your birthday? A nice? Well,
Speaker 1: scorpios are the best. I gotta say, whoever media trained
Speaker 1: you has done a fantastic job, because not one of these, like,
Speaker 1: not one of these questions is being answered in a
Speaker 1: like a nice mean vindictive way, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: but also in a very vague informative way as well.
Speaker 1: Do you're perfect? Well? I got I have gotten zero
Speaker 1: media training. This is why you're made for a podcast.
Speaker 1: You're going to kill it. Thank you. So when is Love? Um?
Speaker 1: Love Insight? Is it out now? Love said it is
Speaker 1: out now now, so go check it out everybody. It
Speaker 1: is an I Heart radio podcast, so you can get
Speaker 1: it wherever you get your I Heart radio podcast now,
Speaker 1: um and go check it out. Yeah, I Love is
Speaker 1: bond biggest show. It might, I mean it could be
Speaker 1: the biggest show of two thousand twice. You haven't seen
Speaker 1: zero episodes and it doesn't matter. That doesn't I didn't
Speaker 1: watch bird Box either, and that was like the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that Flix has ever seen. It was called birch Box.
Speaker 1: That was bird Thank you so much for going. We
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and we look forward to tune into the
Speaker 1: podcast and seeing more of you. On our TV screens.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day. Yeah, you guys are fine. Hopefully I'll
Speaker 1: be less vague for you. Was great that this is
Speaker 1: a very big compliment. Thank you. I just wanted you
Speaker 1: to be like that. Pitching sucks for like that guy
Speaker 1: I wanted to bang his brains out, you know, Damien. Besides, okay,
Speaker 1: I swear I would have who would you have bang
Speaker 1: their brains out? Down in Paradise. Besides, if I lead
Speaker 1: with a lot of like interesting inquisitive questions and I
Speaker 1: to a curveball, she would have just knocked it out
Speaker 1: of the part. I think that was the first time
Speaker 1: anybody referred to who would you bang their brains out?
Speaker 1: As an inquisitive question. That's what I was saying, was
Speaker 1: that I was leading up to those to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. I guess I'm just going forward. I
Speaker 1: got some trust and rapport with these guys. Well, we
Speaker 1: did all rite in journal, So maybe I wrote something
Speaker 1: in my journal that I'm not really picking up right now.
Speaker 1: You journal when you're in the pods, every single one
Speaker 1: of us, Yeah, they made you well. It was good
Speaker 1: for writing, you know, making sure that we had everyone like,
Speaker 1: let's say I had a date with Damien and he
Speaker 1: liked to travel, so I would say he likes to travel,
Speaker 1: so that we wouldn't get each other mixed up. And
Speaker 1: then we also ranked each other, you know, one through
Speaker 1: fifteen pretty much after every single date to see, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's my number one, who's my number two? So everything
Speaker 1: was just kind of journal so that we would just
Speaker 1: keep everyone in line. Did you ever feel weird about
Speaker 1: ranking people they asked us to? Remember they asked me
Speaker 1: to do that one time in an interview, and it
Speaker 1: was like, okay, RANKR top three, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. I can't Like, I can't do that.
Speaker 1: It feels too weird to me. We would tell the
Speaker 1: producers right so that we would hopefully have a date
Speaker 1: with our top head totally, but it wasn't like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: he was my top ten. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is easily my first, second third, and
Speaker 1: that's definitely my fifteen. That's fair enough. And actually I
Speaker 1: don't know why I didn't share this with Jared earlier
Speaker 1: because he hasn't seen the show, but when Damien, when
Speaker 1: Damian asked her to marry him, she actually in response,
Speaker 1: you got down on one knee essentially and asked him
Speaker 1: to marry. I heard about that, Yes you want, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he asked you would You said you wanted to ask
Speaker 1: him to marry. And I think I saw in the
Speaker 1: Origian too. You didn't plan that. That was just something
Speaker 1: that just naturally happened to. Yeah, just the conversations that
Speaker 1: we were happening, and that were happening between us, and
Speaker 1: he was like, you're might equal and I'm like you're
Speaker 1: might equal to and he was like, this is how
Speaker 1: I'm expressing my love, So why couldn't I? And it
Speaker 1: was just it seemed as a better answer than just like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll be your wife. I was like, nah, I can
Speaker 1: do better than that. So it was that something that
Speaker 1: ever cross your mind before and possibly proposing to a
Speaker 1: guy instead of him proposing to you. I mean I
Speaker 1: always kind of like toyed with maybe, but I was
Speaker 1: never like serious about it. I always wanted to be
Speaker 1: the girl that was caught off guard. And um, I
Speaker 1: guess I caught him off guard. One of Ashley's best friends,
Speaker 1: who is a female, just proposed to her boyfriend New
Speaker 1: Year's Yeah, she did this whole setup and and uh,
Speaker 1: go after what you want. Yeah. She apparently they had
Speaker 1: an agreement because he was actually quite upset about it
Speaker 1: at first because she always wanted to propose ever since
Speaker 1: she first started dating. She always wanted to propose to
Speaker 1: a guy, and then him, the boyfriend was actually at
Speaker 1: first pretty upset about it because he wanted to propose,
Speaker 1: and then uh, he should have just proposed back. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you should have done what you did. I wander does
Speaker 1: it work in the opposite of that, like if I
Speaker 1: have always wanted to be proposed to, should I just
Speaker 1: hold out for someone to propose to? Actually? Let me
Speaker 1: let me ask the married man in the room who proposed.
Speaker 1: You were calin, Well, you're the married man in the room,
Speaker 1: but we're both married. Uh, you had a hard stop
Speaker 1: at three tendons. Thank you, Thank you for coming in.
Speaker 1: For the listeners out there, be sure check them out.
Speaker 1: And Love is Blind and be sure check out janine
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Speaker 1: Space sight or love Insight Love Insight, Love Insight All
Speaker 1: one Word's an I Heeart radio podcast. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: as good, if not better than Help by second dating
Speaker 1: to check it out. I love it. Thanks all right,
Speaker 1: and we are back. We're going to answer a couple
Speaker 1: of emails before we get out of here. Now that
Speaker 1: we have a little bit more insight on Janina and
Speaker 1: the Love is Blind process, does that Does that help
Speaker 1: alleviate any concerns that you have with them and their relationships?
Speaker 1: I didn't have any concerns going again? Did? She seems
Speaker 1: really cool. I'm I'm very happy that they've been dating
Speaker 1: for a year and a half. That's pretty incredible. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised by that too. It seems like a long time.
Speaker 1: It's it is a long time, the year and a
Speaker 1: half you've been I mean, think of how long it
Speaker 1: feels like you've been dating Kalin. And that's since when
Speaker 1: in June? So it's only been like nine months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's yeah, she's she's been in a relationship longer
Speaker 1: than I have. And I feel like I've been in
Speaker 1: a relationship for a lifetime already. Yeah, you have a dog.
Speaker 1: You guys have a joint bank account, cell phone plan,
Speaker 1: cell phone plan, wedding bands together. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: she having her own apartment. Now, well we bought a
Speaker 1: house together. He said. Okay, now I know he's not
Speaker 1: married because I know for a fact you haven't bought
Speaker 1: a house together. She's renting in Venice. Life moves pretty fast.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say, but no, I agree.
Speaker 1: I think watching the show, I was a little skeptical
Speaker 1: of the relationships. I think what you said to at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the episode was sometimes you get put
Speaker 1: on the spot and you're like pressured into saying yes
Speaker 1: to an engagement. Some of those relationships I'm watching and
Speaker 1: I'm like, if there were no cameras around, would this
Speaker 1: relationship be working out? And with Janina at least, it's
Speaker 1: good to see that when the cameras weren't around, they're
Speaker 1: still dating and they're still figuring it out. How many
Speaker 1: couples lasted. There's two lasted from which part, Oh Barnett,
Speaker 1: Barnett and Amber and then Gigi and Damien, right, and
Speaker 1: so so three relationships. Two are already married, got married
Speaker 1: they did and they're still married. Wow, that's awesome, very happy.
Speaker 1: And now they're huge their their hits, the shows that
Speaker 1: hit like Gi, for instance, a million followers on Instagram.
Speaker 1: It's like, for a year and a half they had
Speaker 1: no idea how this is going to be received. So
Speaker 1: it's like the fact that they went a year and
Speaker 1: a half in a relationship that they were just genuinely
Speaker 1: happy being in that relationship. That's I think pretty telling.
Speaker 1: You know, like when you go on The Bachelor, you
Speaker 1: leave the show, you're in a relationship, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this relationship is going to be received in some way
Speaker 1: by the public. But when you go on a show
Speaker 1: that's never been aired before, never been filmed before, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I have no idea if this is even never gonna
Speaker 1: hit people's eyeballs because it's never been aired before. So
Speaker 1: they're staying it just because they want to be in
Speaker 1: the relationship, which is great. And I'm surprised, I'll say
Speaker 1: it again that Genie gen Panini is lasted as long
Speaker 1: as Genie Pannini. Genina' Genina has lasted as long as
Speaker 1: she has with it. I didn't see it between ma'am
Speaker 1: and yet here we are. Um. You know what's different
Speaker 1: about going with loving blind the couples is very different
Speaker 1: from Bachelor because Bachelor is already such a known thing,
Speaker 1: so people go on the show with certain expectations. Where
Speaker 1: love is blind, I think all of them were like,
Speaker 1: it was very genuine of just people genuinely being like
Speaker 1: I have, Like he's excited. Now the show's screwed, right
Speaker 1: because they can see what can It's like the first
Speaker 1: season the Bachelor. You know, you go on just for
Speaker 1: the fun experience and find love, and now a lot
Speaker 1: of people go on for like quote unquote things. She's
Speaker 1: got a million followers. But the one thing I will
Speaker 1: say is they're not pulling from like everywhere, so you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get maybe your l A people or your
Speaker 1: New York people. It's like they're going to one destination,
Speaker 1: but only so they still could keep it. They still
Speaker 1: could keep it kind of genuine from that location. Or
Speaker 1: like you said, it's been a year and a half,
Speaker 1: what if they've already filmed other people? True, that's actually
Speaker 1: really good points. Yeah, they could already have four seasons
Speaker 1: logged in. Nobody knew what hit the show is going
Speaker 1: to be, so it truly is very genuine, really good observation. Jared, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's true. Yeah, well see, because you love
Speaker 1: the show so much the first time. No, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: it's true. Well, it's not about me, it's about the public, Okay,
Speaker 1: the people love it so much you're good. Plus, you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're we know we know the producers at the show,
Speaker 1: and we're you know, they're amazing. So i'm you're a
Speaker 1: huge fan, every every second of it. Ashley is a
Speaker 1: huge fan, so I know she wants seventeen seasons to
Speaker 1: this thing. All Right, we're gonna answer one email and
Speaker 1: then get out of here. Just one. Let's answer one
Speaker 1: email really well and then get out of here. Okay,
Speaker 1: what if we answer really well, we want to do
Speaker 1: another one TBD. Let's do one and figure it out
Speaker 1: one day at a time, just like Genie Panini told us,
Speaker 1: one day at a time. Don't disrespect my giannia like that.
Speaker 1: You're the one who said it. I kind of like today. Now.
Speaker 1: This one's from Leah. I've been single for four and
Speaker 1: a half years and I can't figure out why I'm
Speaker 1: unable to find someone to commit to me. I'm twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I live in l A, which I know makes it
Speaker 1: hard to date. I'll go on the dating apps my
Speaker 1: profiles as I'm looking for someone genuine and real. I'll
Speaker 1: date several guys over a couple of weeks, and within
Speaker 1: the bunch there's one that I'll have a genuine connection
Speaker 1: with and see for a couple of months. Somewhere after
Speaker 1: catching feelings, the guy will always say I'm not looking
Speaker 1: to get into anything serious or will just slowly ghost me.
Speaker 1: The cycle has been repeating for years, and I'm beginning
Speaker 1: to get buried down and believe there must be something
Speaker 1: wrong with me. I just haven't been in love for
Speaker 1: six years and that makes me very sad and lonely.
Speaker 1: What advice can you guys give me to help have
Speaker 1: better success on the dating apps? Jared, you're the dating
Speaker 1: X dating app guru? Uh sure? Um? Oh? Lee? God?
Speaker 1: That's is it Lee or Leo? I'm sorry, Leah could
Speaker 1: be Leia. I dated a girl then they say I'm
Speaker 1: spelling her pronuncation with Leo with l H. I think
Speaker 1: it's Leah. I think dating after tricky, especially in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I think that's a big, big bear you're to finding
Speaker 1: someone serious. As someone that used to be on the
Speaker 1: dating apps from the male side of things, I was
Speaker 1: on those dating apps and I was never looking for
Speaker 1: anything serious, so I should really honest, I can say
Speaker 1: I could say that like a lot of the guys
Speaker 1: on that probably aren't looking for anything serious, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't mean that there are no guys on
Speaker 1: there that are are not looking for some but it's
Speaker 1: like finding a diamond in the rough. And then it's
Speaker 1: it's difficult because dating apps, you're guaranteed these guys are
Speaker 1: talking to you know, a minimum of like six or
Speaker 1: seven girls at a time, and even Leah says she's
Speaker 1: talking to other guys. Yeah, So it's like, how can
Speaker 1: you just solely focus your efforts on to one person
Speaker 1: when you have, you know, this plethora of options. Maybe
Speaker 1: she should just take a quality over quantity approach, you know,
Speaker 1: focusing on one guy, like him a lot, love him hard,
Speaker 1: and maybe you should you should vocalize that to whichever
Speaker 1: guy you're talking to. So maybe I mean, don't put
Speaker 1: a pressure on it, but just say, hey, like actively
Speaker 1: try to go on a date with this person, or
Speaker 1: act at least set up times where you guys can
Speaker 1: meet up in person rather than just talk on the phone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just one. That would be my
Speaker 1: biggest suggestion. I think if she really has the genuine
Speaker 1: real thing in her bio, which is funny, by the way,
Speaker 1: because that was the whole Madison, the thing that happened
Speaker 1: earlier in the season. Oh that's right. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you should, like, maybe just make your bio
Speaker 1: just fun and lighthearted, like let's go get some tacos,
Speaker 1: Like that's what your bio should be, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and let them make the decision whether they
Speaker 1: want to have a conversation with you or not. By
Speaker 1: saying stuff like that, it's like you're I think you're
Speaker 1: kind of weeding out. But doesn't she want to weed
Speaker 1: out those guys? Yeah? But like I guess, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you guys doesn't want something serious, you would want to
Speaker 1: weed them away. She would have weeded me out with
Speaker 1: that bio. But again, I wasn't looking for anything serious
Speaker 1: every when I was on the dating app, So I
Speaker 1: guess you's a good point. So here's the question, Lee,
Speaker 1: did you want to date Dean on a dating app
Speaker 1: or not? Because if you do, If you do, then
Speaker 1: change your bio to like, I heart taco. But let's
Speaker 1: be clear about this. You're not dating Dean now. You're
Speaker 1: dating Dean from five years ago. You're dating first Paradi Steen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to date love Triangle. You don't
Speaker 1: want to date that. No one wants to date that.
Speaker 1: I don't want my worst enemy to date that d
Speaker 1: So I'm not on dating apps. But this has been
Speaker 1: a segment wanting to do with you guys. So I
Speaker 1: took over my friend. She got dinner, and she was
Speaker 1: saying how she's been so bummed of her shortcomings of
Speaker 1: meeting guys. She's kind of hung up on this one
Speaker 1: that's not into her whatever, the one night stand thing.
Speaker 1: So I said, are you on dating apps? And she
Speaker 1: said yes. I said, okay, I get control over your
Speaker 1: log in and I get to select the people for you.
Speaker 1: Now they have no idea that they are talking to me.
Speaker 1: So it's been a little controversial on the feedback of that. Um.
Speaker 1: But then once they say, hey would love to grab
Speaker 1: dinner or drinks with you, and I give them her number,
Speaker 1: catch her up on what's been chatted about, and then
Speaker 1: she can continue that and then goes on the dates
Speaker 1: and she's gone about four and what's the feedback? So
Speaker 1: she's actually there's been times where she's like, uh, you,
Speaker 1: like I would never date this guy or whatever, like
Speaker 1: I don't know how to get red flags, and then
Speaker 1: she's like, I had the best of my life And
Speaker 1: then the ones that she does like, I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: not going on a date with him because she she's
Speaker 1: she's not picking the right ones yet. So this is
Speaker 1: kind of like the love is Blind version of dating apps,
Speaker 1: except instead of not seeing the person, you just don't
Speaker 1: talk to the person right. And I will say something
Speaker 1: that does get a little complicated, because then I'll be
Speaker 1: She'll be like, what did you do this weekend? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: is that pebble beach or something? And I'm like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: she wasn't. That was me And it gets a little tough.
Speaker 1: But why don't you have you ever thought about? Sorry? Continue,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, have you ever considered at that
Speaker 1: point where you hand them off to then be texting
Speaker 1: her and be like, hey, by the way, this isn't
Speaker 1: actually her. It's her best friend. But she believes all
Speaker 1: these things that I said, have at it. I just
Speaker 1: figured on the wedding day when I made of honor
Speaker 1: that I'll present it in that way. I have a
Speaker 1: question what happens if you start talking to a guy
Speaker 1: and you start liking great question? Do you make the
Speaker 1: switch and be honest and be like, hey, listen, this
Speaker 1: is actually her. My name is Tory. I'm a friend
Speaker 1: of so and so. She told me to take over
Speaker 1: her dating apps. But I think that we have a
Speaker 1: genuine connection and I'd like to meet up with you.
Speaker 1: Would you ever do that? Because it doesn't work that way,
Speaker 1: because it's like on her bio it's like loves Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings and I have never seen it. So
Speaker 1: a lot of them like fight that babe, Like well,
Speaker 1: so here's what I was gonna say. So I want
Speaker 1: to the Lord of the Rings and I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is that? They start talking about Bilbo Baggins tories out
Speaker 1: like I love the gray guy getting up the weight
Speaker 1: over here for sure, I love Papa Elf and Buddy
Speaker 1: the Elfhilm. That has nothing to do with the rings.
Speaker 1: Not okay, but anyway, so there is I want to
Speaker 1: tease this segment to continue on the next week and
Speaker 1: maybe we kind of mark rate them or whatever. But
Speaker 1: I screen. I've been screenshotting a bunch of um is
Speaker 1: it hinge hinge dating profiles to see what you guys
Speaker 1: think is a good way to set up a profile
Speaker 1: for a guy and if a girl should be like
Speaker 1: a red flag or being like oh no, he's got
Speaker 1: a good sense of humor or if he's being very weird.
Speaker 1: So let's see, don't hate me if I ask you
Speaker 1: on a date too quickly. I'd much rather get to
Speaker 1: know you in person than through an app. Ain't nobody
Speaker 1: got tom footet? This is someone's bio. This is somebody
Speaker 1: who's like, you know, how you have the hinge? So
Speaker 1: this is Matt and it says don't hate me if
Speaker 1: I and then it insinuates you to write a response
Speaker 1: which I can reply to. I. There he is. It's
Speaker 1: quite literally how I said it. So he is a
Speaker 1: white man with a mustache, so he's obviously trying to
Speaker 1: be funny. When he says, ain't nobody got time for that?
Speaker 1: He spells it fo apostrophe d A T H. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? As a male? I appreciate his willingness
Speaker 1: to just die right in. I also appreciate his attempt
Speaker 1: at being funny. Yeah, it's definitely an attempt. It's not
Speaker 1: a success, yeah, but at least it shows that he
Speaker 1: has some sort of person. And those things are always
Speaker 1: tricky too, because it's like those are like who answering
Speaker 1: questions about themselves like that, you know, but you get
Speaker 1: to pick which ones you want to show, so he
Speaker 1: could have done my favorite place to travel. His was,
Speaker 1: don't hate me if I ask you on a date
Speaker 1: too quickly, I might. I much rather get to know
Speaker 1: you in person that through an apping. No. I also
Speaker 1: think see I think differently. I think that he's doing
Speaker 1: that because he thinks that's what women want to see,
Speaker 1: because so many women complain now and so many men
Speaker 1: complain as well. All we do is talk on the app.
Speaker 1: We never meet up in person, and so on his
Speaker 1: bio he's like, oh, I have an idea. I'll try
Speaker 1: to be funny and at the same time, I'll also
Speaker 1: let you know that I'm not the guy who's just
Speaker 1: going to talk on the app. I'm the guy who's
Speaker 1: actually going to ask you on a date. Okay, So
Speaker 1: our consensus is it was it's a good good start.
Speaker 1: It's not good, it's not bad. I think it's somewhere. Well,
Speaker 1: what's our advice, That's what I'm saying. So I want her.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's picking the guys that are like she's not
Speaker 1: on the right app, or picking the guys that are
Speaker 1: like she's picking the wrong one. Can we do this?
Speaker 1: Can Leah give you the log into her dating app. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you let me know. I will be more than happy
Speaker 1: to set you up on dates. Leah. If you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, you have her email obviously help. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just isucer dating at iHeart media dot com. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get Tori when you email that email address. When
Speaker 1: you email them, just ask for her phone number. Maybe
Speaker 1: you guys can connect or damn me because before it out,
Speaker 1: or better yet, let me your Jared run some of
Speaker 1: your dating app. We could have her send over her
Speaker 1: profile and see if we like her set of questions
Speaker 1: that she has or how we can make up better. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree we should do it. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great idea. I'm not also against the idea of me
Speaker 1: taking over her dating app for like a week. Maybe
Speaker 1: in figuring it out, I thought about doing that. I've
Speaker 1: never been on dating app. I was like, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: have Dean or like Derek Controlt, And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the problem is Dean sometimes because I feel like
Speaker 1: your humor is a shock value, so like I'm shocked
Speaker 1: to hear that. I can totally see you give them
Speaker 1: back your phone, Talia and be able like listen. I
Speaker 1: took some swings. Good luck. You gotta shoot for the fences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this guy. His name is Dennis. I told him
Speaker 1: where he lived. Well, let's leave it up to Leah
Speaker 1: if you want that to happen. I'm all, I'm game
Speaker 1: for it. Bicycle Dating at i heeart media dot Com,
Speaker 1: we would love to at least dissect your dating profile.
Speaker 1: And I think that we can make a whole segment
Speaker 1: out of that too, because dating profiles are tricky, they're
Speaker 1: not easy to make. There the good ones are very
Speaker 1: good and the bad ones are very very bad. And
Speaker 1: it's also week, and it's so hard to know what's
Speaker 1: good and what's bad. Like I think the perfect sample
Speaker 1: of the guy we read, we're like, oh, it's not bad.
Speaker 1: It's not great, but it's not bad. And we're want
Speaker 1: to help the guys. We're helping both every helping both sexist.
Speaker 1: I think that was the only one we should answer
Speaker 1: on this week. So oh yeah, no, I'm teasing that
Speaker 1: for the next Okay, great, so yeah, tune in next
Speaker 1: week for that. Also, I want to point out to
Speaker 1: that Jared and i Ara Bile Sporting are very very
Speaker 1: delicious hashtag suck army beanies, right, now yeah, yes, I
Speaker 1: called them delicious, um and we have well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have eight extra beanies and I want to give them
Speaker 1: away to you are faithful Suck Army listeners. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a giveaway on Instagram. Correct, you are going
Speaker 1: to do giveaways. This is what this is how we
Speaker 1: should have talked about this off air. I'm sorry for
Speaker 1: the listening with this whole process, Stuck Army. We have
Speaker 1: not had a conversation about this. So you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: Dean and I hash it out right now. I want
Speaker 1: to do four separate giveaways, four giveaways of two beanies each.
Speaker 1: I'm going to think of two giveaway ideas. You think
Speaker 1: of the other two giveaway idea. Okay, my two ideas are.
Speaker 1: The first one is that's all gonna go through Instagram. Right.
Speaker 1: The first idea that I have is tag on our
Speaker 1: next photo that we post on Instagram or whatever photo
Speaker 1: we ask you to tag tag the last person you
Speaker 1: went on a sucky date with, and then we'll send
Speaker 1: both of you guys hashtag suck Army beanie. That's that's
Speaker 1: and then say the least and then the next one
Speaker 1: I had or the next idea I had was tag
Speaker 1: your best friend who you love to suck at dating.
Speaker 1: With your best friend, your best girl friend, your sister,
Speaker 1: your brother, your mom, or whoever it is, we'll send
Speaker 1: you to suck army being. Okay, I have one idea,
Speaker 1: but we talked about this idea. I'm surprise it's not
Speaker 1: one of yours when we first came up with the
Speaker 1: idea of doing being and giveaway. Um. So I'll describe
Speaker 1: it more on Instagram, but in Instagram Story, I want
Speaker 1: you to upload a video tagging us so we can
Speaker 1: see it of you doing your best. Help I suck
Speaker 1: at dating. Chance Now it can be either a suck
Speaker 1: army chant, which is or like a suck chant, which
Speaker 1: is like sucks sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks, suck everybody, or
Speaker 1: the help I suck at dating, help I suck at dating.
Speaker 1: Whichever chance you want, I'm partial more towards the help
Speaker 1: I suck at dating. I think I am too, So
Speaker 1: if you want to win, probably use that one. The
Speaker 1: more public setting, the better use to your own discretion.
Speaker 1: I want creativity, I want enthusiasm, personality. So whatever you
Speaker 1: think would make the best chance, and so they upload
Speaker 1: it on Insto story. And we'll let you know what
Speaker 1: the dates are so you can upload it in time,
Speaker 1: tag us so we can see it. And uh, so
Speaker 1: they let you know. Okay, gotcha, So they upload it
Speaker 1: to their own Instagram. Yes, and then we would repost
Speaker 1: it at some point to announce the winner. I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great idea. Um, well, it was partially yours.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take full credit for it. You
Speaker 1: came up with this idea and surprise, it's not one
Speaker 1: of yours. Well, I wanted that was a softball. I
Speaker 1: locked your way. I wanted to be able to that
Speaker 1: one slam that ship home. What we we need one
Speaker 1: more because these are all two beating giveaways, so I
Speaker 1: have to think of one more. I can't think of
Speaker 1: one off the top of my head. I was thinking maybe, uh,
Speaker 1: and you can agree or not with this one is
Speaker 1: just tag your partner, whether you guys are married, dating, engaged,
Speaker 1: because help, I suck it. Dating isn't just for the
Speaker 1: people that are in the dating pool. It's also for
Speaker 1: the people that are married. So you want to tag
Speaker 1: the worst the person you want on the worst day
Speaker 1: with okay, and then you want them to tag in
Speaker 1: the next giveaway. You bet their best friends that they
Speaker 1: suck at dating with Okay, and then the third one
Speaker 1: is the person that they're involved with romantically. What if
Speaker 1: they tagg someone they have a crush on. It's pretty
Speaker 1: good too. I mean it takes ball, but we're all
Speaker 1: about balls here. It's we do love the kid, dude.
Speaker 1: That's the sound effect people that we tried to give Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dean didn't do. We're working it out anyway, doing anybody?
Speaker 1: I guess technically this is week two of our beanie
Speaker 1: give away because last week when we had Dr Nancy
Speaker 1: and we did a beanie giveaway then. So keep an
Speaker 1: eye on our Instagram. Jared's running. He's doing a fantastic
Speaker 1: job on the account. Dean's doing some things on it too.
Speaker 1: I've seen you posted a couple of things. I reposted
Speaker 1: a Comedy Central what to Do when you get nudes?
Speaker 1: The thing I felt it was pretty funny. It's pretty good. Um. Anyways,
Speaker 1: thank you guys for listening to this week's episode of
Speaker 1: Help I Suck a Dating. Stay tuned on Instagram to
Speaker 1: see when you might be able to win some beanies.
Speaker 1: Kaylin is calling Dean right now? Is she and your
Speaker 1: phone as Ferbie Miller Keys, and be sure to tune
Speaker 1: in next week because maybe, because just maybe, what's your
Speaker 1: wife will suck a little bit less wife follow help
Speaker 1: by suck at Dating on I Heart Radio or wherever
Speaker 1: you listen to Podcast two