1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Let's have some fun. Let's honor the fallen 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: on a Memorial Day. From me, from you, from all 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: of us, those who have fallen, thank you, thank you. 5 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: Any family member listening right now who gave somebody up 6 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: for this country, thank you, thank you, thank you. Let 7 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: me tell you what we have on tap four tonight. 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: Yes it is me. Yes, we are here live. Yes, 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: we do this every single year Memorial Day. We do 10 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: not take off. We do a three hour show, no politics. 11 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna have a lot of combat stories, a lot 12 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: of names listed, a lot of history stuff. This is 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: always a history heavy day. I have a couple of 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: big history stories. I'm gonna tell you one from the 15 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Civil War, one from as a naval battle from World 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: War Two. You have emailed in names of people you 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: want honored. We're gonna get to hopefully all these names. 18 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: Some people even emailed in little stories. I'm gonna try 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: to get to these stories. I have Air Force Cross citations. 20 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: There is so much to get to tonight. It's gonna 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,279 Speaker 1: be history heavy, battle heavy. We are honoring the fallen 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: here as we try to do just everything seems small, 23 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: doesn't It doesn't everything seem too small though. Look, it's 24 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: something we feel strongly about. We try to honor the 25 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: fallen as best we can. But what's enough? I mean, 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: what's enough? But here there's a conversation someone emailed in. 27 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: I actually thought it'd be appropriate to open up the show, 28 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: listen to this, and then just say, what can we do? 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: That's enough? Jesse. I was recently reminded of family's sacrifice 30 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: when a service member falls. I was in a store 31 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: that didn't have any customers in it. The cashier was 32 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: a young man in his mid twenties. Neither of us 33 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: were much for small talk. The exchange went something like this, cashier, 34 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: are you a vet? Me? Yes, Do you have a 35 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: vet discount? Cashier? Yes, I have a fond place for vets. Mate. 36 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Thanks cashier. My dad was killed in Iraq when I 37 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: was two. Me feeling as if I was gut punched. 38 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that, the cashier said. I heard 39 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: he was a good guy. The guy apparently follows it up. 40 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: He said, you've made a significant sacrifice for our country. 41 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. Then I walked out of the store and 42 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: cried a bit in my car guy's name is Rick Marine. 43 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: It hit him hard, obviously hits me hard, hits it 44 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: probably hits you hard. That's what we forget, right, Cashier 45 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: mid twenties. He never knew his father. He'll never know it. 46 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: So I was giving my son's crap all weekend, laughing 47 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: with them, joking with them, having a blast. Shoot. I 48 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: took him swimming this weekend. I've had fifteen years as 49 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: a father raising my oldest. My youngest is thirteen. That 50 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Cashier never got to experience that because his dad gave 51 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: his life for this country. The dad who gave his 52 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: life for this country didn't never get to rough up 53 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: his boys in the pool on a weekend. That's what 54 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: he gave up for you and for me, for this 55 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: wonderful country. And that is why we feel so strongly 56 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: about doing a Memorial Day show. So let's start our 57 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: Memorial Day show, shall we? Let's do some history. Shall 58 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: want you to I want you to imagine something. I 59 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: want you to picture this. You you have to go 60 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: get in a fight. What kind of weapons are we 61 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: dealing with here? Well, you have a weapon that's going 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: to shoot one shot at a time. You also have 63 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: a large bayonet, you can attach to the end of 64 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: this weapon. You and all your buddies, you line up 65 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder, and the enemy armies lined up shoulder 66 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: to shoulder. And let's say you're one hundred yards apart, 67 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: all right, you're a football field away there on the 68 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: other side of the football field. You're on the other 69 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: side of the football field. You're picturing this. Okay, you 70 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: have your weapons. These are civil war weapons. I'm sure 71 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: you figure this out. Civil war weapons. They're over there. 72 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: You're over here, all right, now, that alone right there. 73 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: If I told you that was to set up, you're 74 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: on the football field and you had to sit and 75 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: shoot at them standing there in a line, and then 76 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna be shooting back at you, you would all 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: already be a bit apprehensive, would you not, Especially by 78 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: this point in time. We're not dealing with the kind 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: of musket balls they were dealing with in the Revolutionary War. Yeah, 80 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: we don't have machine guns at this point, but these 81 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: weapons are getting a lot more accurate, and certainly accurate 82 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: one hundred yards away. You'd probably be a touch nervous, 83 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't you, knowing they were shooting back, maybe even knowing 84 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: you were gonna shoot them. Shoot what if they charge? 85 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: That's a big bayonnett he's got there. I bet that 86 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't feel good. Pretty nervous right now, aren't you. Well, 87 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: let me make it worse for you. Let me put 88 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of trees on the football field, thick forest 89 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: worth of trees. All the men are still there. Where 90 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: are they now? Well, I don't know if somewhere in 91 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: the trees. And yes, they're still trying to kill you. 92 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: You nervous yet? Oh wait, let me make it worse. 93 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: Now that you're on the football field, but you can't 94 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: see them anymore because it's a bunch of thick trees. 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: Allow me to bring in an industrial strength fog machine 96 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: like you would see at a concert or something like that, 97 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna pump in such dense fog that you 98 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: can't see the trees which are hiding the men who 99 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: are trying to kill you in the woods. Oh you 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: want me to make it even worse. I'm going to 101 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: add something to the fog machine. It's basically poison for 102 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: your lungs if you start breathing it in. If you 103 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: breathe too much of it in, you're gonna die. It's 104 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: gonna make you cough, you nervous shit. And finally, to 105 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: cap it off, I'm gonna light the forest on fire. 106 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: What I just described is what thousands of Americans died 107 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: in in the Battle of the Wilderness. It's known as 108 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: the Battle of the Wilderness, and it might be the 109 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: most horrific battle ever. And the two different battles were 110 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: going to go over today for Memorial Day. They both 111 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: have a huge thing in common and that they were 112 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: both really turning points, or right about those turning points 113 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: in the war. So let's set it up before we 114 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: go back to the forest. We'll get back to the 115 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: woods here in a little bit. Here's what's going on. 116 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: First and foremost, this is the Civil War, obviously, and 117 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: the Civil War by the time the Battle of the 118 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: Wilderness had kicked off, the Civil War had been going 119 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: on for a couple years, and for the North it 120 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: had not been going well at all. So he let 121 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: me do this set up here. You know, I don't 122 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: like to dump a bunch of names and crap on 123 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: you because it ruins the story and it gets mind numbing. 124 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: But you got to understand this Lincoln. Lincoln had a 125 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: man in charge of his army called Mead. Mead was 126 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: his name, and Mead was Look, Mead doesn't need any 127 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: help for me to be destroyed by the history books. 128 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: But Mead was a man. I'll put it as nicely 129 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: as humanly possible. I don't know him because I don't 130 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: know him, right, You don't know who's a victim of 131 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: historical propaganda and who's not. He was a cautious type. 132 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: He was a cautious type. Lincoln wanted this war fought, 133 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: He wanted this war ended. Mead just wanted to train 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,679 Speaker 1: his men. Never take risks, never go out, never train 135 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: his never never launch into this attack or no grand 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: strategy here. Mead simply wouldn't attack, he wouldn't engage. And 137 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: it was driving Lincoln crazy and the South by this point, well, 138 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: let's go over what was going on in the South, 139 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: because this is actually going to tie directly into the 140 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: Japanese and how they were operating in World War two. 141 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: Here was the deal with the South, and they knew 142 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: this was their deal. Here's the deal the South. They 143 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: had to win, and they had to win early or 144 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: they were not going to win. They simply didn't have 145 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: the logistics they needed to win they didn't have the shipping. 146 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: They didn't have it. They were gonna starve to death. 147 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: The South had to win, and win early. But very 148 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: similar to the Japanese, they did have what you'd call 149 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: in boxing. We're gonna do a couple boxing analogies here. 150 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: They do have what you'd call a puncher's chance. Why, well, 151 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: they may not have the logistics and the food, and 152 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: they're not gonna this is gonna come into play for 153 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: the Battle of the Wilderness. They didn't have the manpower, 154 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, the North as well. The population was They 155 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: may not have had what it took to last for 156 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: a long fight, but dag gone, can they throw a 157 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: punch in round number one? They had just spent By 158 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: the time the Battle of the Wilderness rolled around, they 159 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: had spent two years kicking the crap out of the 160 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: North virtually everywhere they went. The Southern generals were better. 161 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: They were just naturally more aggressive. The Southern troops were better. 162 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: They were more rural, more comfortable around firearms, sleeping in 163 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: the ground. So the Union was taken just people fresh 164 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: off the dagone boat and throwing a uniform on These 165 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: Portsnaps didn't even speak English and they're all going down 166 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: south and killed some Confederates. So there was for two 167 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: years it wasn't going well and Lincoln had a situation 168 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: on his hands. Let's discuss that situation next. What truth attitude? 169 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday, 170 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: on a Memorial Day, a sacred day, and just a 171 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: heads up. As I tell the history stories and we 172 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: do other things, I'm going to be reading names mostly 173 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: every time we come back from break. These are names 174 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: that you have sent in. I'm just gonna kind of 175 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: give name in either training accident or theater in which 176 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: they die. These are people you want honored. William Burke 177 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: training accident, Private Edward Ellis training accident, William H. H. 178 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Mixon training accident, Walter Wolf Korea HM three Winston, Glenn 179 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: Barker Vietnam Mickey Lewis Wilson Vietnam Vietnam veterans poisoned by 180 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: agent orange? Is this kind of one that it was 181 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: suggested it? Honestly, it's something that needs to be pointed 182 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: out and honored. We dumped a bunch of orange crap 183 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: in that jungle to get all the jungle out of it, 184 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: and we ended up poisoning a lot of our guys, 185 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: honoring them. Robert Scudder, Porterfield Specialist, Greg Finley, West Germany, 186 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Private Don Brown, West Germany, Pfc. Roy Brown, Junior Operation 187 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: just cause. That's Panama. Sergeant Mark Rodenmacher, Urgent Fury. That's Grenada. 188 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: And we'll go over more here in a little bit. 189 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: Let's go back to Lincoln. So Lincoln, we're leading up 190 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: to the Battle of the Wilderness. In case you just 191 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: joining us, that's what we're doing, a little Civil War talk. 192 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: Lincoln had a situation he had two years where he'd 193 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: just been beaten up by the South and he had 194 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: an election coming up. Now. Obviously he wanted to win 195 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: reelection that was at stake, and Lincoln also believed this. 196 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: He believed if he lost the election that whoever won 197 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: the election in the North would have struck a peace 198 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: deal with the South. And he probably wasn't wrong about that. 199 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: If Lincoln loses this upcoming election, we very likely, as 200 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: we speak right now, have two different countries. We do. 201 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: I don't know whether the South would still have slaves 202 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: or what. I don't know, but we very likely would 203 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: have two different countries. If Lincoln loses this election coming up. 204 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: All right, Now, Lincoln simply cannot take this anymore. He 205 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: cannot take it anymore. Mead won't move. He needs a 206 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: win or he's gonna lose the election. So he goes 207 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: and finds this wonderful young officer who's been beating people 208 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: up out west named Ulysses S Grant. He finally, yeah, 209 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: you may have heard of him from time to time, 210 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: you Lisses S Grant. By the way, quick side note, 211 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: not that this is anything special at all. I'm related 212 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: to him in some way, uh, some kind of you know, 213 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: it's some kind of distant thing, third cousins, brother's dog 214 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: type thing. But anyway, Ulysses s Grant, No, we never 215 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: met you, Listenes s Grant. So he's now in charge 216 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: of the North, and Lincoln says, go, you gotta go 217 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: fight now, let's go down south. Robert E. Lee, Robert E. 218 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: Lee is somebody that people have a difficult time talking 219 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: about today. I don't. But in this Namby Pamby society 220 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: we have now everyone has to try to be like, oh, 221 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: the thing, Robert E. Lee was an amazing human being. 222 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: An amazing human being, he really really was. Whether he 223 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: was an amazing general. Well, I'm gonna show up when 224 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 1: I get back from vacation next week and I'll have 225 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: about ten thousand emails telling me he was the best 226 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: general ever, and I'll have ten thousand telling me he sucked. 227 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: And all of you probably are gonna make good points. 228 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: All that stuff is fine, you can can. Those are 229 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: great history arguments to have. Whether or not he was 230 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: a great general, I don't know, but you should understand this. 231 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: The world at this point in time, two years into 232 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: this war, the world thought Robert E. Lee was the 233 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: Bee's knees. They thought he was Alexander the Great and 234 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: Julius Caesar all rolled up into one. Robert E. Lee 235 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: was known worldwide and revered worldwide as this military strategic genius. 236 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: His men loved him when you look. As I've always said, 237 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: just quick side note. When it comes to officers, whoever 238 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: they may be, lieutenant's flag officers, whoever they may be, 239 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: the men are always right. If the men hate their officer, 240 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: it's because he sucks. And if the men love him, 241 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: it's because he's amazing. Robert E. Lee's men loved him. 242 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: They loved him so by now he's basically become this 243 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: unstoppable force in the minds of so many in the North. 244 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: In the Union. You have this legendary general, he's known worldwide. 245 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: He's beating us up. Oh my gosh, so on. That's bad, right, 246 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: it's bad, But he's not completely unbloodied because we are 247 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: post Gettysburg. We are post Gettysburg where the Confederates finally 248 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: got their first bloody nose. But that's not enough. You see, 249 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: remember Gettysburg was the South pushing into the North, doing 250 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: an offensive operation into the North, trying to get them 251 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: to back off to stop the Northern invasion of the South. 252 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: He lost. Now we're back to defensive and that brings 253 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: us to the Battle of the Wilderness. In case you're 254 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: wondering where this is, Fredericksburg, Virginia is basically where it is. 255 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: We're in Virginia. Where's sixty miles or so outside of DC. 256 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Now here's what's going on. This is an insanely as 257 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: I try to lay out in the beginning, a very 258 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: very thickly wooded area and it's not just the trees, 259 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: it's the underbrush and it depend depending on where you're 260 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: listening to the sound of my voice, you'll understand what 261 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: underbrush can mean I've lived all over so I've been 262 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: to places where sometimes just everything on the ground gets thick, 263 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: the sticks and the fallen trees and the everything, and 264 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to move around. It's not trees 265 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: just on flat ground. Everything is thick. And so here 266 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: we have the wilderness. There are only two roads going 267 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: through this wilderness. There has been a battle here before. 268 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: That happens oftentimes in history, happened all the time, World 269 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: War One, world War two. There are key points that 270 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: end up being places where people fight. Now, let's go 271 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: to the woods try to wrap up some of this 272 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: battle of the wilderness stock as. We have so much 273 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: to get to, but it might take me a few 274 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: hang on. Feeling a little stocky, Follow and subscribe on 275 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: social at Jesse Kelly DC. It is the Jesse Kelly 276 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: Show on a Memorial Day again. I'm gonna read off 277 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: a few names of the fallen here before I get 278 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: back to our little Civil war talk we're having at 279 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: the moment. Major Christopher M. Cooper accident. This is all 280 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: all these days I'm about to read here died in 281 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: a Guam flyover accident. Major Brent D. Williams Captain Michael K. Dodson, 282 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: First Lieutenant Joshua D. Shepherd, First Lieutenant Robert D. Garn, 283 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: Colonel George Martin, Private I'll a wish, World War two, 284 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: Europe elden Cone, Battle of the Bulge. William McKinley, Birch 285 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: crossing the Rhine, World War two. Staff Sergeant Robert L. Ferris, 286 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 1: turret gunner shot down over France, World War two. Private 287 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Robert R. Garrett World War Two. Sergeant Braxton Pool World 288 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: War Two, recommended for the Medal of Honor but not awarded. 289 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: Killed fifty three of the enemy, knocked out three machine 290 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: gun crews, all single handily, and was killed by mortar 291 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: fire a day later. I will read more as the 292 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: time goes on. Back to what we were talking about here. Okay, 293 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: so Grant ulysses s Grant. He has been charged with 294 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: offensive operations. No more sitting around Robert E. Lee's a 295 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: little bit on his heels. Lost at Gettysburg. You are 296 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: now going to attack in the south. And so Grant 297 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: is doing something well that every army, every general in 298 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: the history of mankind has tried to do and wants 299 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: to do. He's trying to flank Lee and let me 300 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: explain this. I know it's a dumb down point, but 301 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: people learn at different paces, and for some people this 302 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: is their first introduction to some of this stuff. What 303 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: is flanking? What are people always talking about that flanking? Well, 304 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: you want to attack in the front and you want 305 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: to keep your enemy in front of you. This has 306 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: not changed and it never will change. When there were 307 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: swords and spears and shields. Because your shields is in 308 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: front of you and you're facing in front of you, 309 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: you want your enemy to be in front of you 310 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: and where you don't want him, like if it was 311 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: a Greek failanx, like if you saw the Spartans or 312 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: something like that. What you don't want to happen is 313 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: for him to attack you from the sides or from 314 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: the rear. That's called the flank. Those are your flanks. 315 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: Anything not in front of you is your flank. Okay, 316 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: So when they say he's trying a flanking maneuver, he's 317 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: flanking him, that means someone is moving around to someone's 318 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: side or someone's rear, trying to catch them off guard. 319 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: That's what they said. That's what they mean when they 320 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: say flanking. Grant is trying to flank Lee here. Lee's 321 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: supply lines are fragile. Lee does not have as many 322 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: men as Grant does, and Grant is trying to move 323 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: to Lee's right and flank him. It's actually a pretty 324 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: brilliant move. And Grant he kind of figures, if I 325 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: moved through these woods, through this thick underbrush, then he's 326 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: not going to expect it, and he's certainly not going 327 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: to meet us here, because who would ever meet us here? 328 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: Wars were not fought battles, especially in the Civil War. 329 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: You know all the battlefields, you've at least seen pictures 330 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: of them or seen the movies. They're not fought in 331 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: the woods. They're fought in the fields or the roads 332 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: or the railroad tracks. But because of the weapons and equipment, 333 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: and because of the artillery. Remember we're dealing with cannons here. 334 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: You would want to fight in the open when artillery, 335 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: when cannons are one of your main ways of killing 336 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: the enemy, well, being in the woods doesn't do you 337 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: any good because your cannonballs are gonna be bouncing off 338 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: the trees and killing your own men. You don't want 339 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: to fight in the woods. You want to fight in 340 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: the open. So Grant decides, I mean, I'm just gonna 341 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: flank him. I'll move my men right through the woods, 342 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: and Lee says, no, you will not. Now what happens 343 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: when an army is trying to flank another army, but 344 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: the other army catches on and they meet, Well, you know, 345 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: it's not a meeting with accounting. You don't get to 346 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: reschedule it. If you run into each other wherever you 347 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: happen to run into each other, that's where you're fighting. 348 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: And that's part of what made the Battle of the 349 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: Wilderness so horrible. Is they met in the It is 350 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: what made it so horrible. They met in the woods. 351 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: They met in the dark, they met in the trees, 352 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: and they began some two days battle from hell. Now 353 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: I need to explain something because we're what are we 354 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: focused on today? It's a memorial day. Let's focus on 355 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: the young men who are here. Both sides so young, 356 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: they're just so incredibly young. I was doing a little 357 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: prep work for this yesterday, going over a couple of things, 358 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: and and they were. They were on the southern side 359 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: and the northern side. They were going over general this 360 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: in general that, And I don't bore you with all 361 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: these things, because look, if you like details, go read 362 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: a book on that stuff. That's it's it's good, there's 363 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: there's there's a ton there. It's just not for me. 364 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: But you know, General Longstreet here, and this guy there 365 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: and this guy there, and you know, these are the commanders, 366 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: and they're so young, they're insanely young. I believe, if 367 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I might be off by a year 368 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: or two. Ulysses S. Grant, the commander of the Union Army, 369 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: is my age in this war, and when the Battle 370 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: of the Wilderness kicks off, he's my age. The officers 371 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: generals thirty two, thirty three, these are the high ups. 372 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: These are the old men. Now, who are the others? 373 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 1: Who are the privates? The PFCs, they're seventeen years old, 374 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, they're puppies. Most of these kids most 375 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say kids, they're men. Most of these men 376 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: they'd never left home, they'd never been twenty miles from home. 377 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: You go sign up, and they all had different reasons. 378 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: Everyone had a different story, right, don't ever listen to 379 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: some dumb down, simplistic version of history. Everyone on this 380 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: side was fighting for this, and everyone on this side 381 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: was fighting for that out. Shut up. Everyone had a 382 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: different story. Maybe the family needed money. Maybe you didn't 383 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: have a family. You were looking for someplace to belong. 384 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: Maybe you were looking for adventure, wanted to toughen up, 385 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: see what you're made of. Maybe you were all hot 386 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: and bothered about slavery and you wanted to free the slaves. 387 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Maybe you loved slavery and you wanted to keep your slaves. 388 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: Maybe look that they were all over the place their motivations, 389 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: but they were all seventeen eighteen years old, scared to death, 390 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: meeting in the woods with bayonets and rifles in their hands. Now, 391 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go over this unit moved here 392 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: and this unit moved there. Let's just go over kind 393 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: of how it went from there, what it was like. 394 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: We have to appreciate how horrific the medical care was 395 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: back then. We are and I don't want to say 396 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: we're spoiled, that's not the right way to put that. 397 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: But when we think about military medical care today, I 398 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: will tell you, obviously it's the military. You know, nothing's 399 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: going to be wonderful, nothing it is going to be perfect. 400 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: But I was so impressed with the medical care, like 401 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: in the field medical care and the training our docks 402 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: had in the field. Our docks were ready if you 403 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: got shot, blown up, if you and if you were hurt. 404 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: It was we were always training for how do we 405 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: get this guy out of here. It's always part of 406 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: your training. It wasn't just killing people. Okay, your buddy's down, 407 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: he just had his leg blown off. How are you 408 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: going to get him off the battlefield? Okay, you got 409 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: to get him to this place. And then there's training 410 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: of how to get him to a better place. And 411 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, you can picture World War two and these 412 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: field hospitals they would set up and okay, let's get 413 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: him into this surgery. It we were. We've gotten better 414 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: and better and better and better and better over the 415 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: decades in medical care, the early especially the early part 416 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: of the Civil War. The stories are honestly, it's hell, 417 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: it really is. I understand there are a lot of 418 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: kids listening right now, So the kids, make sure you 419 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: check with your parents before you go looking stuff up 420 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: on the internet. Please, but you can go look. You 421 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: can go right now and look up pictures, real authentic 422 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: pictures from the Civil War of the piles of feet, 423 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: the feet, the doctors had sawed off without anesthesia. And 424 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: that's if that if the guys that were supposed to 425 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: take you out of there even found you in time. 426 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: In the very beginning of the war, half the medical 427 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: personnel were band members. They had going to grab wounded 428 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: guys that were drunk when they're walking around the battlefield. 429 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: You did not want to get wounded in the Civil War. 430 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: And so knowing that, we'll try. I'll try to wrap 431 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: up this story next hang on, I've got on animal 432 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: inside On't mean yes, Kelly, you're listening to the Jesse 433 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly Joe on a 434 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: Memorial Day, trying to finish up this little Civil War story, 435 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: or we're telling here we have more names to read. 436 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: I got a World War two naval battle coming next hour, 437 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: with some other things. I should also give you a 438 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 1: heads up. Chris and I were trying to figure out 439 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: how exactly we wanted to do this today as far 440 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: as playing taps goes. We decided we're going to play 441 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: taps at the end of every hour. Every hour we'll 442 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: end with taps. I just said, how do you do this? 443 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: How do you do this the right way? I don't know. 444 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: I don't know, doing it the best way we know. 445 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: How how do we honor these men? Captain Daniel LEO Notts, 446 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: Senior Chief Petty Officer Thomas E. Higgins washed off of 447 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: a submarine deck. Petty Officer Second Michael J. Holtz also 448 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: washed off a submarine deck. Captain Travis Ford Iraqi Freedom 449 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: Machinist's mate Joseph Ashley training accident, subcollision Chief Petty Officer 450 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Patrick L. Wade IRAQ Ied, First Lieutenant Weston Lee Mauzzle, 451 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: Iraq Ied US Army Captain Scott M. Shimp training accident, 452 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: Helo crash. We'll get back to some more of those. Okay, 453 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: So the Battle of the Wilderness kicks off and these 454 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: men start fighting each other, and they're in the woods, 455 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: and there's the woods are so thick and the underbrush 456 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: is so thick. And have you ever watched a video? 457 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: You probably have seen it, or there have probably been 458 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: movies who have depicted this at least somewhat. Have you 459 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: ever seen somebody shoot an old muzzleloader before it is wild? 460 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: How smoky it gets because you're essentially just putting black powder. 461 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: And I know gun nuts, I know I'm making it simple. 462 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: You're essentially just putting black powder in a barrel and 463 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: lighting it on fire. That's all you're doing. You're creating 464 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: an explosion, creating the combustion to force the round out 465 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: of the barrel. Right, that's all you're doing. There's so 466 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: much smoke that comes with it. Well, this is dry 467 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: underbrush in northern Virginia. Everything starts to catch on fire. 468 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: The men are fighting each other in the thick woods, 469 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: in the thick underbrush. The officers cannot see their own men. 470 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: They can't see their flanks. They don't know whether they 471 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: need to advance or stay. You can't see the enemy, 472 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: you don't know where he is. You start shooting things, 473 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: everything that moves. And what happened was the men begin 474 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: on both sides. The men begin to go mad. One 475 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: reading one quote I read, they call them fiends. It 476 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: turned normal, I think it said it turned normal Christian boys. 477 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing here into fiends. What happens is when you're 478 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: already in combat, you're adrenaline's going through the roof, everything's 479 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: going nuts. Fire brings out something different in men. I've 480 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: read stories in Vietnam of sog guys green Berea looking 481 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: for NVA troops in some big bamboo field, and the 482 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: field gets lit on fire, and all of a sudden, 483 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: they're running side by side with each other trying to 484 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: get out. They're not even fighting each other anymore. That's 485 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: what fire does. Fire. Now everything is full of smoke, 486 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: everything's on fire. Men are now screaming, men are burning. 487 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: And remember what I said about the medical care. It 488 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: already wasn't great getting these guys out. Now you've got 489 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: wounded men who can't move, laying in the underbrush, watching 490 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: as the flames come their way, with no hope for 491 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: anything in the world. It is horrific to think what 492 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: that must have been like. And as you and me 493 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: we sit here on Memorial Day, and I hope, I 494 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: sincerely hope you have enjoyed yourself today, enjoyed your family today. 495 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: Trust me, the men who fall in for this country 496 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: would want that. There's nothing wrong with having a barbecue 497 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: and some family time. Take a quick moment and remember them. 498 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: But as we as we sit here, I mean I'm 499 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: sitting here in the air conditioning. I got a large 500 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: cup of coffee sitting beside me. Chris and me just 501 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: knocked out some breakfast tacos. Yes, we get those at 502 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: night here. It's Texas. Anyway, men seventeen eighteen years old 503 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: on both sides burned to death in the woods in 504 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: northern Virginia. That's how they lost their lives. It was 505 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it was so freaking bad the Confederates as 506 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: they were trying to retreat. The battle went on for 507 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: two days. The Confederates ended up losing. It's a fascinating 508 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: little conflict if you want to dig into the details 509 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: of it. Essentially, the Union had enough troops to keep 510 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: pouring men in and Lee really didn't that the South 511 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: was they just didn't have the man power. And after 512 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: Lee loses this battle, which he does at the end 513 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: of day two, he never gets to launch another offensive operation. 514 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: From there, he's on the defense of the rest of 515 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: the war. That's it. That this was the turning point 516 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: that really put the South on its heels, and from 517 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: this it was over. I mean, it was just a 518 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: matter of time. Now, I don't want to say it 519 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: was over. There were a lot of men who still 520 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: had to die still, but from this point on, the 521 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: South was not going to win the war unless you 522 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: Lincoln lost the election or something. But as the Confederates 523 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: are running out, running away, trying to get out of 524 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: the woods, they're taking Union troops and this happened on 525 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: both sides, I should point out, and propping them up 526 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: in front of the trees, using them as human shields 527 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: to try to get the Union to stop shooting at them, 528 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: and they didn't. So you may have been propped up 529 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: in front of the tree and been shot by your 530 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: buddy as he's aiming in the Confederates. That is the 531 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: Battle of the Wilderness. And look, obviously it's horrible. I 532 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: read it because it's horrible. We're gonna move on to 533 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: World War two stuff next hour, a naval battle actually 534 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: battle of Tsavo Island. But I read this because it's horrible, 535 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: because it really hits me, especially on days like today. 536 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: It hits me so hard that these men have gone 537 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: through such horrible things and lost their lives so early 538 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: so we can be free. And I'm so appreciative of it. 539 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: You don't have to feel bad if you're one of 540 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: the vets out there who lived and your buddies didn't. 541 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: You need to let that go. You need to let 542 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: it go. But man, today's the day to honor them. 543 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: Philip Neil, First Lieutenant Philip Neil Kia, IRAQ, Pfc Boyd 544 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: Kimri Kia World War Two, Dennis van Buskirk Vietnam, Harvey A. 545 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: Fowler World War Two Europe Corporal Dunk and Charles Crookston, Iraq. 546 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: We'll get to more and some World War Two stories 547 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: next hour. For now, we're gonna send you off this 548 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: hour with taps b b b b b b b 549 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: bab