Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi guys, Hi Hi.
Speaker 3: Laura was afraid her glasses were going to reflect the
Speaker 3: light on zoom, and I remembered that we had a
Speaker 3: director who had been a child star who used to
Speaker 3: tell us chin down, chin down, ladies, and you would
Speaker 3: do this thing as you go, see what this looks like,
Speaker 3: see what this looks like. And then Daphney remembered her
Speaker 3: name Nancy, because you said she was a child star.
Speaker 3: She had blonde hair, she was full of energy.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what she said to me. She said, Daphne,
Speaker 2: look just below the camera, like if this is the lens,
Speaker 2: look right here and stare off and give me that
Speaker 2: stare at the end. That's what I learned from Mickey Rooney.
Speaker 2: So at the end of a scene when you wish
Speaker 2: they would say cut, but they don't say cut. So
Speaker 2: you're like, yes, oh, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: Just look right.
Speaker 1: There and think of Mickey Rooney.
Speaker 3: But here it's a perfect They get all flushed. Do
Speaker 3: you remember that at one point she was going through
Speaker 3: a divorce and she would keep us there for like
Speaker 3: eighteen hours. Do you remember that? It's like, where are
Speaker 3: the hours along? So that she's getting a divorce, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, never wasted. A director is going through
Speaker 3: a divorce because they never want to go home.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So think of who else kept us
Speaker 2: there long?
Speaker 3: Now? He exactly keep shooting over and over. Want people
Speaker 3: with a happy home life because then they want to
Speaker 3: get through the day and get home. Yes, like true,
Speaker 3: Well that was Phil Rosenthal was famous for on Everybody
Speaker 3: Loves Raymond. But he had a happy home life. So
Speaker 3: they had really good hours because he wanted to get
Speaker 3: home to his happy home life. So all the writers
Speaker 3: got to have happy home lives. That's so cool, isn't
Speaker 3: that sweet? And just what you think he'd.
Speaker 2: Be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. That's a good
Speaker 2: telltale though.
Speaker 1: All right, so we have we have another recap this week.
Speaker 1: It is episode eight in season one.
Speaker 3: It's episode right, and can I ask you guys something?
Speaker 3: So I was watching this and I was thinking, I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm able to watch it. It's just like
Speaker 3: Jenny and Tory said, like, I'm becoming more of a fan.
Speaker 3: I'm getting more separation and I'm like, oh, I know
Speaker 3: everyone had a crush on the guys, Like I'm suddenly
Speaker 3: seeing them not as the guys I worked with, but
Speaker 3: like Objeculately or Andrew who I dated, are my friends.
Speaker 3: Like I'm going, oh, my goodness, there's one and we
Speaker 3: get to what I'll say it. But but Grant had
Speaker 3: a line where he it was just so charming and sweet,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, well, like there's I think,
Speaker 3: I know, abjectively adorable you do when when Amy came in,
Speaker 3: we'll talk about it. We get I wrote it down,
Speaker 3: but I'll say it when we get to because he
Speaker 3: showed through, right, his charm showed through, and I just thought, oh,
Speaker 3: I get it. I get why the ladies love the show.
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, Courtney, because now I'm watching scenes with
Speaker 2: you and Andrew knowing that something already happened off camera.
Speaker 1: So I'm very much of that in this Like in this.
Speaker 3: Episode, I'm like, they're really close together on that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we were to meet it together at this point. Yeah really,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So you're like, can we shoot it again?
Speaker 3: Can we shoot the scene again?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: We can see it all over the screen.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this one is season season one, episode eight.
Speaker 1: Lonely Hearts is the title, and.
Speaker 3: This one I remembered so clearly. Really, I remember filming
Speaker 3: it so clearly. I remember the storyline, not my storyline,
Speaker 3: but Amy and Matt Roth's storyline. Yeah, I remember it
Speaker 3: so clearly. For whatever reason, m.
Speaker 1: I feel like the story, this story was pretty like
Speaker 1: relevant and like poignant and stood out. It doesn't surprise
Speaker 1: me that that you remember it, actually, because I think
Speaker 1: it was a big story to tell. Yeah that that
Speaker 1: woman in peril thing, and yeah, well not that you
Speaker 1: don't remember your own your own bit in it, but
Speaker 1: I'm just so caught up in your personal life by
Speaker 1: the car exactly.
Speaker 2: But I think, Laura, you know what you said relevant.
Speaker 2: I was a little surprised that this storyline, which we'll
Speaker 2: obviously find out, is as relevant. It's like age old,
Speaker 2: it's still relevant.
Speaker 1: It's constant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally bad.
Speaker 3: I was thinking that too, and we'll get into it.
Speaker 3: It's basically about stalking and I watch Some might say
Speaker 3: too much dateline, which is valid, but still you're like,
Speaker 3: the cops don't have enough power to do anything when
Speaker 3: women are being terrorized, women are still expected to just
Speaker 3: and she's very clear from the beginning. She's very clear
Speaker 3: from the beginning, and he just doesn't hear her. There's
Speaker 3: too much to give away. It's so good, all right,
Speaker 3: let's get started.
Speaker 1: So it begins with Sandy and Ronda shopping in a boutique.
Speaker 1: They're trying on hats, they're having good time. Random dude
Speaker 1: walks by looks in the.
Speaker 3: Windows around, which is every guy's version of what women do.
Speaker 3: It's either either having a pillow fight or dancing in
Speaker 3: a store, trying while trying.
Speaker 1: They're having fun, but it turns out they're being watched.
Speaker 1: So the guy walking by, he looks in the window,
Speaker 1: and he stops and he wants to watch some more,
Speaker 1: and then he starts interacting with Sandy through the window.
Speaker 1: Then he comes inside and they introduced themselves and he says, wow,
Speaker 1: you know you must be an actress or a model.
Speaker 1: You've just got all the all the right you know,
Speaker 1: parts and pieces and whatever. They end up going outside
Speaker 1: where he continues to ask her out on a date
Speaker 1: for tonight and not just like a coffee or whatever,
Speaker 1: like dinner.
Speaker 3: Angelini's so and he's super handsome and seems super sweet,
Speaker 3: but did you guys notice and they were filming it
Speaker 3: like something was weird, like there wasn an action must
Speaker 3: not have actually been a front window because there is
Speaker 3: no window when he was filming, and it looked like
Speaker 3: they weren't really dealing with each other.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that?
Speaker 1: And they clarified it for one side of it, maybe
Speaker 1: like the window.
Speaker 3: I walked in past camera, but you never saw a window.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get past all the denim. Did you notice all.
Speaker 3: The denim jnim on danim.
Speaker 2: I did d Denham and denim overalls, and yet the
Speaker 2: extra denim.
Speaker 3: Den Oh my god, there was so much denim in
Speaker 3: the nineties.
Speaker 1: Oh and the cowboy boots walking down the stream was
Speaker 1: the very opening with the denim and the cowboy boots
Speaker 1: walking down Melrose, which, yeah, then you know it is
Speaker 1: sort of foreshadowing because we see that look.
Speaker 3: At the extras literally after that scene kind of wraps
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: Then all these extras walk probably with all these denis
Speaker 2: on a jean jackets.
Speaker 3: And I just bought a denim dress yesterday, so I'm
Speaker 3: right in with nineteen ninety four. I might in we.
Speaker 1: Have a denim dress too, So I think we're all yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's just confirmation that the nineties fashion is now.
Speaker 3: It's back.
Speaker 1: It is either that or we're terribly out of touch.
Speaker 3: We're stuck in the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah the arm I think we're I have the same.
Speaker 3: Airdo, so I might very well be stuck in the past.
Speaker 1: All right, we're okay, Okay. So then, uh, at the restaurant,
Speaker 1: Paul and Sandy are on this date at Angeline's and
Speaker 1: Sandy's you know, sort of trying to get to know him.
Speaker 1: Finds out that he was boring. He's boring, and she
Speaker 1: says yeah, and she says, uh, you know the way
Speaker 1: we met. No, that's weird. She sort of acknowledges it
Speaker 1: right off the bat. So as they're getting into the date.
Speaker 2: Both from a small town, like that's all that's all
Speaker 2: he needs, right, like to have.
Speaker 1: In common, he's finding out where she's from. Whatever. So anyway,
Speaker 1: before we finish that date, we cut to Allison who's
Speaker 1: returning home to the apartment. She's very angry and she's
Speaker 1: kind of a mess, and she enters the apartment. She
Speaker 1: slammed the door, angry about her car.
Speaker 3: That's I have a single uh and splash basically of
Speaker 3: Greece on race.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really get a dressed, so just.
Speaker 3: Highlight my cheek. You requested that, didn't you cart here?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: You must have said just have something, and Lorna went,
Speaker 3: all right, here you go and give me. I was
Speaker 3: wife of Greece.
Speaker 1: I was distracted by this smear of Greece.
Speaker 3: It was a stripe.
Speaker 1: It was a drawing, yeah.
Speaker 2: But it was so pronounced. I was expecting him to
Speaker 2: like wipe it off with some a nice little, you know,
Speaker 2: dish towel or something, to at.
Speaker 3: Least say, what happened to you? Acknowledge it? For the
Speaker 3: loan of God, somebody acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an elephant in the room. The stripe
Speaker 1: on her face was the elephant. That nobody's gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it. But she does say that she if she
Speaker 1: had a gun, she would shoot her car because she's
Speaker 1: so angry about the unreliability of her car. And she said,
Speaker 1: such a horrible day. So Billy suggests that it's maybe
Speaker 1: time to go car shopping and he could help her.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you qualify for a loan. Trust me, you
Speaker 1: know I got you, And Alison says, every time I
Speaker 1: trust you, something terrible happens, sad just saying.
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We go back to the restaurant where Paul is telling
Speaker 1: Sandy about his job at the nursery. He's a plant guy.
Speaker 1: She's clearly very bored, but he, you know, he wants
Speaker 1: her to know. It's you know, did you know it's
Speaker 1: not what you plant. No, it's not what you plant,
Speaker 1: it's where you plant. It's like profound.
Speaker 3: Coming, boring. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're sharing this very boring and awkward date and
Speaker 1: Sandy says, no, thank you to dessert. It's time. She
Speaker 1: would like to just go home, but he insists on
Speaker 1: following her, accompanying her home, which she tries.
Speaker 3: And of course those of us at home are going, yeah,
Speaker 3: those are going red flag, red flag.
Speaker 1: Red flag. Yeah they don't. They have separate cars. He
Speaker 1: didn't need to do that, and he insists.
Speaker 3: This is why boundaries are important early and strong, like
Speaker 3: sometimes I don't work, no thank you. Then he wouldn't
Speaker 3: know where she lived.
Speaker 1: And she's, you know, she's in this position of being like,
Speaker 1: I just was trying not to be rude or trying
Speaker 1: to you know, trying to be nice or like, and
Speaker 1: you've found herself allowing that, you know, like just this
Speaker 1: bad judgment moment and then he's following her home and
Speaker 1: then when they get there.
Speaker 2: But you guys, he would have followed her anyway, Okay,
Speaker 2: so he asked permission. It's kind of like because he
Speaker 2: knows who he is, he knows he's going to obsess,
Speaker 2: it's what he does. And he says, oh, I'll follow you,
Speaker 2: and it's so awkward. Who the hell does that? I'm
Speaker 2: going to follow you in your car to where you live.
Speaker 2: But because she says that, one thing of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, if she had said no for your comment
Speaker 2: about having a boundary, I think he would have followed
Speaker 2: her anyways. So kind of like you're an a lose loom.
Speaker 3: I don't know, though, I think this sooner you pay
Speaker 3: attention to red flags, the better, Like if she had
Speaker 3: then paid attention, if he'd followed her, she could have
Speaker 3: stopped it earlier. But as women, as we know, we're
Speaker 3: so raised to be polite and not hurt their feelings
Speaker 3: that we often abandon ourselves to avoid hurting a man's
Speaker 3: feelings correct and then we end up getting trouble, which
Speaker 3: is what happened. You know, she knew she was trying
Speaker 3: to be nice, and then every little bit of nice
Speaker 3: gave him more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's twenty one years old or something like,
Speaker 1: you know, all these things that are just like difficult
Speaker 1: to navigate and for a young girl. And so she
Speaker 1: finds herself in this position. So now he's walking into
Speaker 1: the courtyard into her apartment, you know, commenting on how
Speaker 1: nice the apartment building is, which one's yours. Wants to
Speaker 1: know actually where her apartment is.
Speaker 3: She tries to be vague and just say it's upstairs,
Speaker 3: not specifically which one it is, and then he says
Speaker 3: he wants to go out with her again.
Speaker 1: She says, no, I'm not. The timing's really not right
Speaker 1: for me. My life is complicated. But thank you for dinner.
Speaker 1: But she's she's pretty clear like yeah, this isn't going
Speaker 1: to be a thing. She's polite, but she's trying to
Speaker 1: say nope, no more. He kisses her good night on
Speaker 1: the cheek, I think, And when Sandy goes to turn
Speaker 1: and walk upstairs, that's when we see that Jake is
Speaker 1: sitting poolside and he's kind of witnessed the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and he comments, he's like, oh, another one bites the
Speaker 1: dust and is that the moment your time talking about.
Speaker 3: Now, this is when when she was that was my moment,
Speaker 3: and I was like grant because it was so grant
Speaker 3: that moment. It was so adorable when he put the
Speaker 3: hat down right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's sitting pull side with a baseball hat on,
Speaker 1: and he he's witnessed this moment. He's taking a little
Speaker 1: bit of like glee from it to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: she's blowing off this guy or whatever. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: just his tone and he's so casual, like he's so
Speaker 1: comfortable in his posture and the way he's sitting. And
Speaker 1: that was why I assumed that was the moment Courtney
Speaker 1: was talking about, But apparently it's the one d Africa.
Speaker 3: Oh there's another one coming, I know that's one scene.
Speaker 3: It was just he was so relaxed. A lot of
Speaker 3: Grant came through in that scene. He wasn't very yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean later he's super tough Jake, but this scene
Speaker 3: had a lot of Grant and it was just adorable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that scene ends with Ronda appearing at the
Speaker 1: top of the stairs too, saying, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: waiting for the perfect guy, you might be waiting forever.
Speaker 1: You know, tell me, tell me something at least was
Speaker 1: was he a good kiss her? And Ron is like, no,
Speaker 1: no way, you know, I've kissed walls with more passion,
Speaker 1: so clearly it was not a lot of walls.
Speaker 3: Are you yeah?
Speaker 1: Bizarre but okay, it's weird.
Speaker 3: That's when Grant pulls his hat down or.
Speaker 1: Guy yeaeah ouch, but he is getting a kick out
Speaker 1: of it, like carrying out Sandy Weston for sure. So
Speaker 1: h Then we're at the car dealership where Billy is
Speaker 1: trying to help Allison with the car sale and car
Speaker 1: exchange and the used car is going to be her
Speaker 1: down payment bill. It's like, I got this. Here's here's
Speaker 1: the trick. You gotta play hard to get. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. But uh, then as Allison
Speaker 1: does not understand, be cool.
Speaker 2: And comment on that dealership, is that nineties or what
Speaker 2: all those flags? A pink used car lot? The guy
Speaker 2: it was so nineties? And does it stand out at
Speaker 2: me now because it's all this time later or was that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it was beefed up back then, right.
Speaker 1: I just noticed the prices of the doms, you know,
Speaker 1: like only ninety eight or you know whatever, and they
Speaker 1: and yeah, like just the prices where oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: Carlos change that much. Though there's one on Lincoln still
Speaker 3: that I think looks like that.
Speaker 2: Magenta with all those jobs.
Speaker 3: Maybe think it was.
Speaker 1: The Taco joint or or like the little like windy
Speaker 1: guys that like, yeah, didn't do that.
Speaker 3: I just love it.
Speaker 2: It's those kind of experts. It's those kind of moments,
Speaker 2: the visual in the show that it just makes me
Speaker 2: long for it and miss it those days the DNA.
Speaker 2: Not that I want to wear a lot, but just
Speaker 2: those kind of visual we.
Speaker 1: Can get you a dress and we can all be matchy,
Speaker 1: maybe by accident, like we'll just show up and we'll
Speaker 1: all have so anyway, so, uh, Alison is not able
Speaker 1: to play it cool. She sees a red convertible. She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the and I want no, I think this was time.
Speaker 3: This is I'm going to see you guys talk amongst yourselves.
Speaker 3: I'm going to look up when miatas came out.
Speaker 1: Oh I think oh I came out. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's right. It's probably a but anyway, Allison is
Speaker 1: not playing it cool. She loves it. She jumps in
Speaker 1: the front seat and she makes it very clear that
Speaker 1: this is the one she wants, and Billy's like, not
Speaker 1: the way to handle.
Speaker 2: Billy's trying to cut control of the situation, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right when they came out.
Speaker 2: Nice red Miata.
Speaker 1: So then Billy and Allison are outside the car sales
Speaker 1: office and the guy says, you know, your car is
Speaker 1: only worth three hundred bucks for a time, and Allison
Speaker 1: is super that's Betsy. That's Betsy. He's insulting.
Speaker 3: Is Alison's car named Betsy worth more than that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So Billy says, it's all right, we can walk away.
Speaker 3: Trust me, he'll he'll chase it hard, he'll yeah, he'll
Speaker 3: play hard to get, he'll fault. And the salesman has
Speaker 3: no interesting and doing that, he moves on to another customer.
Speaker 3: So Billy says, all right, Allison, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: sell Betsy yourself, but then we'll have real bargaining power.
Speaker 1: So then or in the daytime, there's a pool party.
Speaker 1: There's Matt and Jake, Michael and Jane. They're in the pool.
Speaker 1: Ronda is at the grill. Sandy's just getting back from
Speaker 1: the grocery store and discovers that Paul is there. He's
Speaker 1: invited himself to join the pool party, and he's sitting
Speaker 1: in a lounge chair.
Speaker 3: He's got a bouquet of roses and that's a little
Speaker 3: off putting, and she.
Speaker 1: Leaves to go put his flowers in the water. Ronda suggests,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you should give this guy a chance,
Speaker 1: and Sandy is like, no, that's not her I gave him.
Speaker 1: I have my opinion, and I gave him my thoughts
Speaker 1: and no. So she follows him outside and she says,
Speaker 1: you know what, Paul, I have a lot to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not able to do this right now. And he says,
Speaker 1: we'll walk me to my car. So outside she down
Speaker 1: and she says, I was just trying to be nice,
Speaker 1: you know. He says, doesn't seem like your life is
Speaker 1: so complicated. I was just trying to be nice.
Speaker 2: But no, no, no, she's saying. I think before she
Speaker 2: said I was trying to be nice, she said, I
Speaker 2: was very clear. She says that on the courtyard too,
Speaker 2: I think, and then he's like, yeah, the whole point
Speaker 2: of the scene is that he is not hearing no
Speaker 2: here what she says.
Speaker 1: And then she goes so far as to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I told you that my life was complicated because I
Speaker 1: was trying to be nice. I mean, I want to
Speaker 1: just come out and say I want to go out
Speaker 1: with you, you know. And so he says, all right,
Speaker 1: I can take a hint. And he says, I mean
Speaker 1: like I'm not I get it. I'm not good enough
Speaker 1: for you. It's like how he decides to try to
Speaker 1: be He.
Speaker 3: Plays it well though, because he seems like a really
Speaker 3: sweet guy, just needy. So you're kind of like, this
Speaker 3: is weird, but it doesn't feel scary at this point, right.
Speaker 3: He's he's annoying, but it doesn't feel quite scary.
Speaker 1: He's just annoying. And to be clear, like Matt Roth,
Speaker 1: who's the actor, he's fantastic.
Speaker 3: It's this huge storyline, always fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fantastic in everything. He has a huge career.
Speaker 1: I think we've all worked with him and other shows,
Speaker 1: you know, in other times of our lives. Whatever. He's great,
Speaker 1: and he's got this huge part this episode. It's just
Speaker 1: the character is so darn insidious and creepy.
Speaker 2: It does look like that.
Speaker 1: It's not mad, it's it's the character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does. Look how that looked like he just
Speaker 2: came out from the Midwest with like maybe Hay still
Speaker 2: in the hair and very nice and I'm gonna mad
Speaker 2: at that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He seems so sweet that you're like weird, but it's
Speaker 3: hard to be mean to him because he seems so sweet.
Speaker 1: There's an aw shucks about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, really well played mm hm.
Speaker 1: The next morning, Sandy wakes up to the clock radio
Speaker 1: informing her about how hot it's going to be in
Speaker 1: La There's san Anna wins and Ronda is in the
Speaker 1: living room packing up stuff cassette tapes by the way
Speaker 1: or at aerobic seminar. She minds Sandy that she's going
Speaker 1: to be out of town at an aerobic seminar in Houston,
Speaker 1: Sandy opens the front door to discover that the swimming
Speaker 1: pool has been filled with lilies, which happened to be
Speaker 1: a flower.
Speaker 2: Now lilies are those lotuses like the lily pads right?
Speaker 2: Because they're floating. I thought that looked really I mean
Speaker 2: a stalk are aside, obsession, like inappropriateness aside.
Speaker 1: I thought it's really cool all things.
Speaker 3: I was like, that pool looks great, how can we
Speaker 3: go through that? Were you surprised that Michael wasn't more angry.
Speaker 1: He was skimming the pool and we've seen him skimming
Speaker 1: the pool before and like doing yard work, and he's angry,
Speaker 1: but this one didn't anger him.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, a thousand flowers didn't seem to upset him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, but and he does say and they're
Speaker 1: from Paul because he left a note, so it confirms
Speaker 1: that he's, yeah, starting to super stock. So back with
Speaker 1: Alison trying to sell her car. She meets an old
Speaker 1: lady who is very discerning and does not want.
Speaker 3: To Yeah, but can we say the star of this
Speaker 3: scene is my jacket, which looks like I've escaped from
Speaker 3: a vaudeville show. Why am I wearing a huge striped jacket?
Speaker 1: It was like you had a skirt suit on or
Speaker 1: something like.
Speaker 3: It was very shoulder pads. Did I attack and clown?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 1: Neutral? And then the stripe jacket.
Speaker 3: And I thought in the show, when they're trying to
Speaker 3: make a young man look stronger, like they put him
Speaker 3: in this jacket, not.
Speaker 1: A those were the jackets we wore. We did wear
Speaker 1: shoulder pads and like big boxy giant blazers, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I mean I came back from D and D.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's specific to Allison in this moment.
Speaker 1: I think that was a sign of the times.
Speaker 3: That was ridiculous. I imagine the costume. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was Denise said. I imagine the costomer saying it's
Speaker 3: a short scene, suck it up, and.
Speaker 1: It's a short scene, and it's all the rage everyone's
Speaker 1: wearing them. Because I don't think on that one, I
Speaker 1: think that was Allison's business look for the day. But
Speaker 1: the old lady who's like examining the car is very
Speaker 1: in the know about all the guys must be wrong
Speaker 1: with Betsy and she's not. She's not.
Speaker 2: She reminded me of Aunt b Mayberry around. She says
Speaker 2: for me, honey, no wait yea rush den Iowa all
Speaker 2: that turns around.
Speaker 3: I was like, sorry, honey, that reference is not for
Speaker 3: our younger listeners.
Speaker 1: Berry RFD. Look, we just we just did a really
Speaker 1: good impression. Daphne has really good impressions. So then Sandy
Speaker 1: is near the mailboxes and she's talking to Jake explaining
Speaker 1: how like this guy is just not getting it. I was,
Speaker 1: I was straight to the point and and uh, she's
Speaker 1: just he's just not getting it and and uh, they
Speaker 1: have this weird kind of conversation about their own history
Speaker 1: is in this scene like nowhere. Yeah, it's sort of
Speaker 1: like he throws it in about like, wait, remember when
Speaker 1: we first met. We weren't you know, we weren't. We
Speaker 1: were strangers just like you and this guy. We were strangers,
Speaker 1: but we were both lonely. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: got a little a little twisted about what we were
Speaker 1: talking about and why. But oddly, also, then Jake tells
Speaker 1: Sandy that she should consider why she's not giving paula chance,
Speaker 1: Like he wants to make it kind of about him
Speaker 1: and them, and go, is it it's because we still
Speaker 1: have this thing, right, you should probably consider I think
Speaker 1: I know why you're not giving paula chances because you
Speaker 1: still have feelings for me, but you need to go much.
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, so it's sort of the scene sort
Speaker 1: of became about them. It was sort of an interesting tooic.
Speaker 3: Also, he may not be her most objective listener, like maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you His feelings seemed to be very caught
Speaker 1: up in this and he wasn't really hearing what she
Speaker 1: was trying to say, which is like this dude, isn't
Speaker 1: getting the point, and I feel creeped out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, what does this have to do with
Speaker 3: us dating years go? And she's like, I'm not. You
Speaker 3: can't quite hear her.
Speaker 2: Can I just give a plug to therapy right here?
Speaker 2: I was told a long time ago by a friend
Speaker 2: who did a lot of therapy herself, because I was
Speaker 2: making the mistake of telling I think a guy that
Speaker 2: I liked the problem and she said, you have to
Speaker 2: know when to go to your girlfriends and when you
Speaker 2: go to the guy you want to be. You know,
Speaker 2: you have to know what to tell to whom like
Speaker 2: that's not you don't tell them that your girlfriend that.
Speaker 2: So this is an example of where if Sandy had
Speaker 2: had help from therapy, she might know go to the
Speaker 2: girlfriends and.
Speaker 3: Not consider the sex. He's not her best person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's not her best person.
Speaker 3: Here so we find Alison and Billy Shooters. Allison is
Speaker 3: now wearing a vest. I will there's a vest real
Speaker 3: vest theme. This is my week of vests, and I
Speaker 3: think under my big stripe jacket I had a vest. See.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a sign of the
Speaker 1: times because vests are all over the place on all
Speaker 1: the characters, so it's not just Alison, but yes, it
Speaker 1: is noticeable once again, Alison wearing a vest and they're shooters.
Speaker 1: They're playing a pool game and and uh he. Billy
Speaker 1: wants to talk to Alison about the idea of her
Speaker 1: naming her inanimate objects. Alison tells Billy that she's been
Speaker 1: trying to sell her car, and he says, there's a
Speaker 1: problem with having a name for your car, like, you're
Speaker 1: too attached and what is it that you know you
Speaker 1: you have this? What is it with naming your inanimate object?
Speaker 3: We named our cars growing up. Our little convertible bug
Speaker 3: was Rosy and our big station wagon was Goldie. Do
Speaker 3: you want your car's name?
Speaker 2: Growing up, we named our dogs, but not our cars.
Speaker 3: Now well see we named our cars and not our dogs,
Speaker 3: which is really weird. We were like, hey poodle mix,
Speaker 3: Hey German Shepherd.
Speaker 1: They were a category, they were a make and model.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I think, is this Laura and Court, you think this
Speaker 2: is where he's bringing up the theme of growing up
Speaker 2: and being a child and leaving home because the car
Speaker 2: kind of represents, you know, leaving home. She came out
Speaker 2: in that car and this hole where this This is
Speaker 2: a theme throughout with these two. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: different place. They end in a different place kind of.
Speaker 3: Also, things grew up differently. Yeah, Also they grew up
Speaker 3: with me like Billy. I feel like Alison really had
Speaker 3: to do everything on her own and Billy didn't. I
Speaker 3: think this is a theme between them all the time too,
Speaker 3: Like she had to save money to earn this car
Speaker 3: and buy this car and he seemed to be given more.
Speaker 3: So that's and isn't he between them?
Speaker 1: Isn't he? Also sort of like trying to say, like
Speaker 1: you have more of an attachment to objects than you
Speaker 1: do to people, Like you don't open up and trust
Speaker 1: me as a person, but you yet you name your
Speaker 1: inanimate objects like you're more. You have this atta atachment
Speaker 1: to a car and you give it a name, Like
Speaker 1: he's sort of questioning that instead of like, Hey, what
Speaker 1: about me people? Person? You know, like it just me
Speaker 1: and this attachment.
Speaker 3: I wish she'd been there to explain that to me
Speaker 3: at the time.
Speaker 1: It really would listen.
Speaker 3: That would have really helped me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I sort of thought we're going to.
Speaker 3: Shoot the next one hundred and forty episodes because no
Speaker 3: real insight into Alison.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's a good point. I'm trying to decipher. Really,
Speaker 1: I'm an audience member.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I think he's saying, you're more
Speaker 3: attached to your car than you are to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like that.
Speaker 3: That's very sweet.
Speaker 1: But he is encouraging her by the convertible, like it's
Speaker 1: time to move on. Let Betsy go buy the convertible.
Speaker 1: Go back by the convertible. So then we cut to
Speaker 1: Sandy who's working at Shooters and she also was wearing
Speaker 1: a vest and she has a choker on a necklace.
Speaker 1: When Paul walks up and he's with Matt and Rhonda
Speaker 1: and there they've been hanging out and Sandy's like, why
Speaker 1: get away from my friends? Like, no, those are my friends.
Speaker 1: But Paul is inserting himself in their relationship too. He's
Speaker 1: you know, donating trees from the nursery to the halfway house.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, Matt and Rond are like, whoa
Speaker 1: great guy.
Speaker 3: I will say it was nice to see Doug. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, Doug.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's a small appearance in this, in this Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have enough to do in this one, not
Speaker 1: a lot, but Sandy's frustrated and she tells Paul like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing between us. It's over, please, don't you know.
Speaker 1: And Jake walks in, grabs two beers and right off
Speaker 1: the tray.
Speaker 2: And was coming here, little man.
Speaker 1: I tried to have a conversation with Paul. And Paul.
Speaker 1: This is where Paul tells Jake, oh, Sandy flirted with him.
Speaker 1: She'll come around eventually, and you know, sort of tells
Speaker 1: his person story and Sandy assumes Jake was trying to
Speaker 1: get rid of Paul. But instead of him going yeah,
Speaker 1: that you know that dude's weird or whatever, he says, Sandy,
Speaker 1: you flirted with Paul, like, he makes it like an
Speaker 1: accusation and accuses and believes the guy.
Speaker 3: Believes the guy. The guy can just say anything something.
Speaker 2: Behind closed doors and on you know, voicemail or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then says one thing, Oh, you know, she was
Speaker 2: flirting with me, and he had really er.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's two things. It's not
Speaker 1: only that you know, he's inclined to believe the guy,
Speaker 1: or that he just chooses not to believe her, but
Speaker 1: that also he's sort of making it about him again.
Speaker 1: Like you flirted with him, Like he's letting his jealousy
Speaker 1: be like what bothers them part of what bothers them?
Speaker 1: And first of all, it's not even true. She was
Speaker 1: just on a date. That's not you know whatever. She
Speaker 1: tried to have a date, decided it wasn't for her
Speaker 1: at all and was very clear about that. And he's
Speaker 1: still like, well, you've flirted.
Speaker 3: So I think poor Grant is in charge of having
Speaker 3: the viewpoint of she asked for it, which would not
Speaker 3: remotely be what Grant would say, you mean unfortunately, well ja, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I mean Grant the actor has to be jay
Speaker 3: to play that you ask for it, which he wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I think he was probably fighting it the whole way.
Speaker 3: But you know, we had to say what was written
Speaker 3: as written. But that is what people say, right, what
Speaker 3: did you do?
Speaker 1: And I think but it and it's a it's a
Speaker 1: classic story, like that's still is a thing. I think
Speaker 1: women are what's relevant? Yeah, what were you wearing? Or
Speaker 1: what did you do? You know, like there's always very.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately yuck.
Speaker 1: So then Sandia's leaving Shooters after her shift. She needs
Speaker 1: to walk out in the dark, neighborhood by herself. She
Speaker 1: says goodbye to her co workers and walks away by herself,
Speaker 1: walking down empty streets, and it's a little creepy. She's
Speaker 1: looking over her shoulder. She is understandably nervous, and she's
Speaker 1: looking over her shoulder, and sure enough, we see footsteps,
Speaker 1: we hear them, we see them with those jeans in
Speaker 1: the boots, and they hurry as she hurries, they hurry.
Speaker 1: So it's all very, very creepy. And that scene, I
Speaker 1: think is just like every woman knows what that feels like,
Speaker 1: this feeling of like I'm alone. I'm finding myself in
Speaker 1: this weird moment where I don't feel safe, and it's
Speaker 1: that scene really.
Speaker 3: My got it, you know, Yeah, that was scary.
Speaker 1: Sandy comes home and she realizes when the apartment is empty, Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, and I'm home alone because that's right. Ronda's
Speaker 1: in Houston for this thing. And Sandy presses the answering
Speaker 1: machine to listen to her messages, and Paul has left
Speaker 1: a bunch of messages starting at two am, and they
Speaker 1: continue and they get more desperate, get more stocky, and
Speaker 1: talking about how she shouldn't be out this late. So
Speaker 1: it's terrifying, and Sandy starts crying as she's listening to.
Speaker 3: These horrible or baby's chilling.
Speaker 1: I was probably Sandy at this time in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: I was working at restaurants, Like I was exactly this right,
Speaker 1: like coming home late at night from working in a
Speaker 1: restaurant or a bar and stuff, and like, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's so much about the scenario that I was like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I recognize that, you know, coming home to
Speaker 1: an empty apartment or whatever, like it's dark or it's late,
Speaker 1: or at a roommate. We had one apartment where we
Speaker 1: came home from work, but we had a peeping tom
Speaker 1: in one of our apartment buildings. We lived in this duplex,
Speaker 1: and these two guys from the restaurant where we worked
Speaker 1: lived above us, and my roommate was trying to take
Speaker 1: a shower after work, and it wasn't even like dark
Speaker 1: it was at this for this incident, wasn't even dark.
Speaker 1: It's like maybe sundown or something like around eight pm
Speaker 1: in the summer, and some dude had pulled up like
Speaker 1: a milk crate or a box or something to stand
Speaker 1: high enough to peek in the window. And our roommates
Speaker 1: who are our housemates who are friends upstairs called this,
Speaker 1: there's somebody is somebody in the shower. There's somebody trying
Speaker 1: to look in your bathroom window. They alerted us to it,
Speaker 1: and then so we're like, you know, Cindy's frozen in
Speaker 1: the shower like trying to find a corner of it
Speaker 1: where like the window doesn't have a whatever. And then
Speaker 1: the guys are having to like yell out the window
Speaker 1: to get this creeper guy to go away, and he
Speaker 1: only decides to run away when they yelled at they're
Speaker 1: calling the police or whatever, but like just that vulnerable
Speaker 1: feeling of like being in a place, and then that
Speaker 1: was horrible. But then we had another incident where we
Speaker 1: were coming home late at night. We worked at a
Speaker 1: bar together, one of these bars that closed like late
Speaker 1: at night. Like like Sandy's doing right, She's leaving alone,
Speaker 1: and we parked our car where we park and we're
Speaker 1: walking up to the door of our apartment and we
Speaker 1: had like this creeper.
Speaker 3: Like flasher dude, like a real act of like aggression
Speaker 3: but like just so creeping, gross flasher totally you know,
Speaker 3: expose himself whatever.
Speaker 1: At whatever. It was two in the morning or something
Speaker 1: which is just the most creepy, awful feeling, you know,
Speaker 1: and it just feels it's just such a violation and
Speaker 1: just an assault. So anyway, I completely related to this
Speaker 1: thing of Sandy going, you know, I love I got
Speaker 1: to walk to my car after work and that vulnerability.
Speaker 2: And your apartment mates helped you. Yeah, were you guys
Speaker 2: taken by how our friend that Melra's placed like had
Speaker 2: all the wrong answers for Sandy. I mean, she's done
Speaker 2: this all by herself. Nobody believes her.
Speaker 3: They say, Alwa's fine, he's charming, he's like constant. I
Speaker 3: think that's what is so smart about the way they
Speaker 3: wrote it, which is he charms everybody and he seems
Speaker 3: so sweet impress everybody around, or someone starts to say
Speaker 3: he's creepy, like, oh, you're overreacting, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: you know, I like Laura, when you're telling that story,
Speaker 3: you said it was an assault, because that happened to me.
Speaker 3: Different variations of that, and it'd be like, oh, but
Speaker 3: what did he really do? But it scares you, and
Speaker 3: it's and I think we're just trying starting to change
Speaker 3: the vocabulary and saying, oh no, that's an assault. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're you're you may not be touching somebody, but you're
Speaker 3: assaulting their sense of safety and security. And so I
Speaker 3: think that's how he got around it. Right, So then
Speaker 3: everyone's like, but he's so nice, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 3: And also like, if they'd chosen a different character for
Speaker 3: it to happen to, like a sweeter character like say Alison, right,
Speaker 3: people would have been, oh no, poor Allison. But Sandy
Speaker 3: has this sexy, sort of tough attitude. Yeah, so they
Speaker 3: probably didn't jump onto her.
Speaker 2: Welcomed it on. She brought it on herself exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and it does, and that whole idea continues,
Speaker 1: and we haven't gotten those scenes yet where the but
Speaker 1: you're right that the other characters are like, well you
Speaker 1: know they that they don't, so it does. It just
Speaker 1: builds from here. It's not even this isn't like she's
Speaker 1: reacting exactly, Yeah, but you're right, he's he's ingratiated himself
Speaker 1: enough that they are sort of justified and thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: he seems fine.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, when that happens, it makes you wonder,
Speaker 2: am I crazy?
Speaker 1: Or maybe he is?
Speaker 2: Or why am I being like this? No one else
Speaker 2: sees it? I must be they must be right, and.
Speaker 3: Yes, am I making a big deal out of nothing exactly?
Speaker 2: Or am I reading this wrong? It just makes you
Speaker 2: question everything.
Speaker 1: So that's what she does. So she takes these messages,
Speaker 1: and she you know, she wakes up Jake and Michael
Speaker 1: and Jane and they're listening to these phone messages together, right.
Speaker 1: I think they're at Jane and Michael's apartment listening to
Speaker 1: these phone messages. And and you know, Michael admits, all right,
Speaker 1: the guy's over the deep end or whatever. And and
Speaker 1: and then Jane has a story that she tells that
Speaker 1: she's she was getting obscene phone calls for a week,
Speaker 1: and she has this idea like, well, you know, if
Speaker 1: you blow whistle, you know, they stop calling because it's
Speaker 1: really uncomfortable to get this loud noise in your or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then but Michael then sort of changes his tune
Speaker 1: and says, well, he seemed like a nice guy at
Speaker 1: the pool, and I think, you know, I think he
Speaker 1: just thought it was flattering. I think he just thought,
Speaker 1: you know, what he was doing was flattering, you know,
Speaker 1: like that that idea. They can't really help her, except
Speaker 1: like she's got to go back to her apartment and
Speaker 1: she's got to go back and be alone and try
Speaker 1: to sleep and still feeling vulnerable, and and Jake follows
Speaker 1: her out and she says, you know, you said it
Speaker 1: yourself wrong gender, like you're you're not really being sympathetic here,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel good, you know, I don't feel safe.
Speaker 2: And you know, does that mean you said it yourself
Speaker 2: wrong gender?
Speaker 1: Because I think he said in the previous moment where
Speaker 1: she was trying to she was trying to tell him
Speaker 1: in the courtyard, yeah, like like I'm not interested in
Speaker 1: this guy, and he he had like not really been
Speaker 1: sympathetic about it. He's like, yeah, if you're looking for sympathy,
Speaker 1: you've chosen the wrong gender. He sort of said.
Speaker 3: About it and can't be sympathetic.
Speaker 1: Oh so then he it's sort of repeated again. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a weird moment too, though, Yeah, weird.
Speaker 1: I know why it's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they try to circle back to it
Speaker 3: and said, well, you set it yourself wrong gender.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm he's refusing to be sympathetic then,
Speaker 1: which is very bizarre.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so she has to go back to bed, she's
Speaker 1: trying to sleep she can't. She's just laying there, wide awake,
Speaker 1: and the phone continues to rings like super vulnerable feeling.
Speaker 1: The morning, Jake is cleaning his motorcycle in the courtyard.
Speaker 1: Billy's talking to him about Allison and wanting to bed
Speaker 1: a new car, and Billy compares Jake and Sandy's relationship
Speaker 1: to car buying, where Jake says it's too early for
Speaker 1: this and partly so no, this is no, We're not
Speaker 1: going to have that. But Jake does tell Billy here
Speaker 1: that Sandy thinks Paul has a screw loose.
Speaker 3: And uh.
Speaker 1: Sandy walks in Billy leaves. Sandy tells Jake that Paul
Speaker 1: called again last night and that she's gone to the
Speaker 1: police and that they can't do anything. So Jake now says, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't you ask me to go to the police
Speaker 1: with you? I believe you. I believe you now finally,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I'll I've had experience with the police.
Speaker 1: I've got lots of experience with the police. They not
Speaker 1: had a handle lists And I'll take you to I
Speaker 1: want to. I'm gonna take you to work today and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick you up. I'm not gonna let you
Speaker 1: walk home on.
Speaker 3: So he's somehow turned a corner and he's decided to
Speaker 3: believe her, And I think it was Billy's comment really
Speaker 3: turned the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, car buying, he is a wise Allison called him something,
Speaker 1: oh wise old whatever, she called him, son of salesmen, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little guru. Okay. So Allison trying to sell the
Speaker 1: car to another young customer, very sweet, sort of young
Speaker 1: innocent person who's asking about gas mileage, and Alison's really
Speaker 1: struggling to try to like how do I frame this?
Speaker 1: But I really want to sell Betsy, but I also
Speaker 1: don't want to, like, you know, sell this young girl
Speaker 1: a world clunker and I know.
Speaker 3: And the casting was so perfect because she did look
Speaker 3: like a younger version of Allison. Yeah right, literally could
Speaker 3: have been looking into her own past. It was so sweet.
Speaker 1: And Billy's Billy innocent in the background, like rooting for
Speaker 1: Alison to like bring it home, and Alison just can't
Speaker 1: bring herself to like.
Speaker 3: Lie, I was so relieved. I was worried that I
Speaker 3: was going to do something horrible, but.
Speaker 2: No, thatll are of this car.
Speaker 1: Never Allison would never do something horrible and dishonest, So
Speaker 1: she's very honest with the girl. The girls like thanks
Speaker 1: for being honest, and she rides away on her bike.
Speaker 2: Was wearing like a McDonald's yeah outfit or something like
Speaker 2: she works at fast food.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Betsy may not have been better than the bike, apparently, so,
Speaker 1: so Jake is now walking Sandy to her door after
Speaker 1: work that night. He peeks inside and takes a look
Speaker 1: around and gives Sandy your keys, and they are inspecting
Speaker 1: the apartment. They find that there has been a window
Speaker 1: left open the apartment. So that's terrifying. Somebody's been in
Speaker 1: the apartment. Jake goes to search the apartment and in
Speaker 1: the bedroom, Sandy finds that flower petals have been sprinkled
Speaker 1: all over her bedroom.
Speaker 3: All over.
Speaker 1: Definitely, so he's broken in. He's done this creepy thing.
Speaker 1: And the phone is ringing, the answer machine is picking up,
Speaker 1: and Paul leaves a message. I mean, there's just evidence
Speaker 1: upon evidence upon evidence upon evidence. He's leaving a message
Speaker 1: for Sandy, and Jake picks up, and Paul panics and
Speaker 1: hangs up. Jake says, tell me where he works. You
Speaker 1: stay here, lock the doors, don't talk to nobody. So
Speaker 1: he leaves to go look for.
Speaker 3: The nursery and in this moment, even though I'm a
Speaker 3: very evolved woman and blah blah blah, and like, oh
Speaker 3: yeah he's gonna go beat somebody.
Speaker 2: Yuh yeah, I protected is Yeah, I mean it is
Speaker 2: the whole part of me.
Speaker 3: It was all excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a relief though that he's like
Speaker 1: believing her, he's and he's like gonna do something about
Speaker 1: it that she doesn't feel like she's been able to do,
Speaker 1: you know, Like there's there's that inherent feeling of like,
Speaker 1: I am my impulse is not to go beat him up.
Speaker 1: I don't have that. Her impulse was to go to
Speaker 1: the police. What good might that do? You know? But
Speaker 1: like Jake's like, I got this, take it into his
Speaker 1: own hands. So he hops the fence at the nursery.
Speaker 1: He goes into the office and he finds Paul on
Speaker 1: the phone and it sounds like he's leaving more messages.
Speaker 3: And Jake punches him out falls to the ground, and
Speaker 3: Jake threatens to kill him if he comes near Sandy again.
Speaker 3: So that we're all like yes, and again my more
Speaker 3: evolve side is saying no, but my my miner cave
Speaker 3: woman is all a flutter. Yes, very attractive. Why is
Speaker 3: your all the sides saying no, myvolve because like, no,
Speaker 3: we should handle this in another way. But I'm just
Speaker 3: saying that there's that core cave woman side of me
Speaker 3: that's like he beats somebody up for her.
Speaker 1: Well, just a feeling of being having some sort of like,
Speaker 1: you know, if he could, if there's a way to
Speaker 1: threaten this guy back, like he's you know, he's threatening
Speaker 1: to Sandy and she feels like she has no power.
Speaker 1: But this physical threat may actually speak to him. We
Speaker 1: can only hope.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, it's very Melrose. You know, he's the guy.
Speaker 2: He's a tough guy.
Speaker 3: It's Jake.
Speaker 2: He's wears the T shirts and the leather thing, and
Speaker 2: that's the only way he knows how to do it.
Speaker 1: It's very makeouts and punch outs.
Speaker 3: Mel. Yeah, we gotta have them both.
Speaker 2: That's our show.
Speaker 1: So then he he goes back to the apartment, tell
Speaker 1: Sandy that Paul won't bother her anymore, and oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, you should stay at my place for the night,
Speaker 1: just to be safe. And so they're laying there. I
Speaker 1: think they're on the cap Are they on a cop?
Speaker 1: I can't bed tell me about it. But in their clothes,
Speaker 1: in their clothes.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it took another like crazy fast turn.
Speaker 1: It became about them again.
Speaker 3: It happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they always they're talking and they're being nostalgic
Speaker 1: and like sort of reminiscing about like what did happen
Speaker 1: with us? Oh? Do you remember the first night we
Speaker 1: were together? And is it that we're too much alike?
Speaker 1: So it did. It turned into a whole thing about and.
Speaker 3: I would love to hear like from our audience who
Speaker 3: remembers that and he's watching along with us, Like did
Speaker 3: the audience at that point? Were they rooting for Jake
Speaker 3: and Sandy? Because I feel like, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's just I knew all the players involved, but
Speaker 3: I just keep thinking, why do we keep bringing this up? Right?
Speaker 3: But I don't think the audience was rooting for them
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm an audience member. I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: so like, I feel like I'm an audience member, and
Speaker 1: you're right, I'm not sure that I'm rooting for them.
Speaker 3: Well, but you know, right, well you don't know Amy
Speaker 3: because you came on after.
Speaker 1: It, right, I mean I know them as obviously, right, right, right,
Speaker 1: but like as the characters, like, am I rooting for
Speaker 1: those characters to be together? I can't tell. But it's
Speaker 1: also like they're sort of dropping the the backstory. They're
Speaker 1: dropping it to us as they go, right, we're litning
Speaker 1: more bits of the backstory. So this this episode is
Speaker 1: I think we find out more, and this is how
Speaker 1: they're revealing it is by having them reminisced together about it.
Speaker 1: Remember that first night we're together, because up until then
Speaker 1: we didn't. We weren't really sure, like do they have
Speaker 1: a history, what was their history? How long did it last?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I knew there was dynamic, right, but it was kind
Speaker 1: of vague. And so I feel like this is the
Speaker 1: episode where the writers are trying to give the audience
Speaker 1: more information by having me it's that you brought it.
Speaker 2: Up, Courtney, because I was thinking the same thing. And
Speaker 2: I keep thinking, I don't know if you feel this, Laura,
Speaker 2: because we weren't there. But I keep thinking these kids
Speaker 2: in the that there was more, there was more that
Speaker 2: we missed. But I realized I've watched every EPISO putting
Speaker 2: out with you guys, right, it's not more in the past,
Speaker 2: it's before the show started. It's backstory right, and yet
Speaker 2: I'm I am wondering exactly what you're wondering, Courtney. Does
Speaker 2: the audience like this and want something to happen because
Speaker 2: they're teasing us for sure?
Speaker 3: Or maybe the writers were checking it out, like when
Speaker 3: the writer remember when Grant and Allison made out and
Speaker 3: they immediately said never mind, Like maybe that was the
Speaker 3: plan that Andrew and I had such good chemistry that
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, we got it. Like they just
Speaker 3: have to think it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I sort of so weird. I think, I like, my,
Speaker 1: may my. What I see is that it seemed like
Speaker 1: they intended to have that. The Jacon Sandy be I
Speaker 1: made balloons, you guys, I didn't even mean to do it.
Speaker 1: This this is two fingers. You get balloons on a
Speaker 1: zoom people, I didn't even ask for them. You got balloons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but remember all we're getting sidetracked again. But now remember too.
Speaker 2: And that was so cute when you're like, I want
Speaker 2: to join the board and you're like, nothing, so cute.
Speaker 3: It off.
Speaker 1: We have to change Courtney' zoom settings.
Speaker 2: It's just computer, so mine's totally off. I'm bommed.
Speaker 1: I keep I forget to turn it off and then
Speaker 1: here I'm talking to you guys. The next thing I know,
Speaker 1: I've sent balloons.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. Thank you.
Speaker 3: So you were saying, no balloons for them?
Speaker 2: Are balloons for them?
Speaker 3: Laura? Balloons?
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, is there like a so so emoji?
Speaker 1: Can I do like a like a emoji? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I feel like the intention was to
Speaker 1: have Jake and Sandy's characters be like, oh, that's the obvious,
Speaker 1: like bad boy and like you know, actress girl, like
Speaker 1: that would be the match. And I think I think
Speaker 1: that the Billy and Allison relationship, I mean that's a
Speaker 1: no brainer for sure. All see that like we want that.
Speaker 2: It's you know what's coming.
Speaker 1: Or even before, even before Courtney and Andrew knew it,
Speaker 1: I think the writers were probably writing that like that's
Speaker 1: the way they want you to.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think you could.
Speaker 1: I think the magical chemistry maybe.
Speaker 2: They were trying it out. I don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because when your chemistry went boom, I'm
Speaker 2: sure they went with it, like you say, they always
Speaker 2: do that. I mean you see people come on with
Speaker 2: like you're like Laura, when you came on. You said
Speaker 2: you were only on for a couple episodes in Boom.
Speaker 2: It worked what you did, so you stayed. So I
Speaker 2: think they are testing stuff out. The thing I think
Speaker 2: about Jake and Sandy is these guys are too hot,
Speaker 2: very sexual people, and so it doesn't ring true that
Speaker 2: they're acting like innocent, oh, trying to do it right,
Speaker 2: like cute, and it just doesn't ring true to me.
Speaker 2: I can just see those guys totally going at each other,
Speaker 2: like it doesn't feel right that they're not I don't
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: So well, apparently that's their backstory and they did that first,
Speaker 1: and we just don't get to see it. We just
Speaker 1: get to talk about it and reminisce about it.
Speaker 2: But that energy is still there.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And this night, after she's been stalked,
Speaker 1: they're going to reminisce about their first nights together. So okay,
Speaker 1: So the Jake tails Sanity go to sleep and they
Speaker 1: lay their stanner and get the ceiling. So the next day,
Speaker 1: Allison is back at her car. She's at her trunk
Speaker 1: looking through papers. Billy runs by and Alison's feeling a
Speaker 1: little nostalgic again and she's like, I remember when I
Speaker 1: first got Betsy, and I've had such fond memories in
Speaker 1: this car, like when I was.
Speaker 3: A designated driver all the time because I never drank,
Speaker 3: although I did lose my virginity in the becksat. I
Speaker 3: just slid that right, oh by the way, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so but she's don't sit in the back. Lord knows
Speaker 3: what's there now, just like.
Speaker 2: Like going in there, because we're looking through the hatchback
Speaker 2: into this little, tiny, beat up, rusted out car.
Speaker 3: And my answer is, yeah, my boyfriend didn't have a.
Speaker 2: Car, I know.
Speaker 3: And he's like, your answer, didn't have a basement.
Speaker 1: There's so much more to a hotel nearby. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of questions that should come up here, but it's
Speaker 1: really the point is supposed to be that Allison is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sell Betsy too many great memories,
Speaker 1: not to the old lady.
Speaker 3: Well then and then and then that very on pointline,
Speaker 3: but actually, sweet, why is it that every time you
Speaker 3: think you're grown up, something comes along to show you
Speaker 3: how much farther you have to go, which kind of
Speaker 3: defined the heart of these first episodes. Right before all
Speaker 3: hell breaks loose and it gets crazy, crazy fun, It's
Speaker 3: like we were just these kids going from early twenties
Speaker 3: into adulthood, right, So that was really sweet. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I was like, that's what the show's about.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But back in back in Jake's apartment, he's walking out
Speaker 1: of the bedroom fully dressed, and Sandy having a very
Speaker 1: domestic moment, but just in like a long man's shirt,
Speaker 1: you know, very like morning after Look, she's cooking breakfast
Speaker 1: and she's cooking it only for him because she's going
Speaker 1: to be dieting, but she made him this really nice
Speaker 1: Southern breakfast. Jake is acting surprised that the food is delicious,
Speaker 1: and Sandy sort of enters into another weird conversation kind
Speaker 1: of deep, says, you know, Jake, do you think it's
Speaker 1: depression or fear that brings some people together?
Speaker 2: Meaning a little bit.
Speaker 1: Deep and out of the blue. But at that moment,
Speaker 1: the police knock at the door and ask Jake to
Speaker 1: step outside.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, I thought I wrote this down and I didn't,
Speaker 3: so I'm looking it up again. The the African American policeman.
Speaker 3: Did you recognize him?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm I'm looking it up right now. He I
Speaker 3: can't believe I looked it up. And I thought I
Speaker 3: wrote it down. Apparently I didn't. He's been in everything, yeah,
Speaker 3: like every he's like, I know, did you recognize him?
Speaker 1: I did, but I didn't. I couldn't. I didn't place him.
Speaker 1: And in fact, I made an assumption, was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he was a policeman character for years in
Speaker 1: Melrose because I recognize him, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I have I have storylines with him coming up in
Speaker 1: season two, three, four and five or something. I made
Speaker 1: that assumption, but I didn't actually double check that. I
Speaker 1: wonder if that's accurate.
Speaker 3: Yes, I found it all cast and crew. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: been in everything, And when I looked it up, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's who he is. His name, darn it,
Speaker 3: Nigel Gibbs. Oh yeah, Nigel Gibbs. And he was in
Speaker 3: like if you look at his IMDb, it goes on forever.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that and that and that.
Speaker 3: He's one of those wonderful character actors who shows up
Speaker 3: in everything in says Los Angeles Veep Bones Risolian Isles
Speaker 3: like it, and it just goes on all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he he probably still like he's one of the people
Speaker 3: who never stops working and you know him, but you
Speaker 3: can't figure out from what.
Speaker 1: Well and I do. I am hoping and I'm assuming
Speaker 1: we're going to see him later, like he shows, he's recurring,
Speaker 1: like he's in La cop up for you know, these
Speaker 1: years on Nulra's place. And he'll be back because guess what,
Speaker 1: Sydney encountered the police. Lots of times when I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like Joe thrown.
Speaker 2: In the clinker a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Clinker.
Speaker 2: We'll see the clink the clinker. All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: They've got questions mm hmmm, and Paul has now lodged
Speaker 1: a complaint. So Jake explains that the police that Paul
Speaker 1: had been harassing Sandy and then they're pretty sure he'd
Speaker 1: broken into her apartment. And this that Jane and Sandy
Speaker 1: are watching Jake have this conversation police in the courtyard,
Speaker 1: and that's finally Michael apologizes to Sandy, saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't believe you. I guess it was
Speaker 1: a thing. Now she's worried that Jake's going to be
Speaker 1: in trouble for this. She says she doesn't really know
Speaker 1: what to do, but she has to do something. So
Speaker 1: this is like one of those examples to me, like
Speaker 1: one of you brought it up earlier, like if you
Speaker 1: what did he actually do? Like you know this idea, like, well,
Speaker 1: what did he actually do? Like so he put flowers
Speaker 1: in your or oh so he left you a lot
Speaker 1: of phone messages like none of those things.
Speaker 2: Are to them cans right, none of them count to
Speaker 2: like terrorizing her, terrorizing her, that's what he did.
Speaker 1: But yeah, flowers, like I asked, I asked a friend
Speaker 1: of mine, she's a she's a DA attorney, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I said, like what recourse? What power do women have
Speaker 1: like in this sort of thing, Like would you go, well,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to show for it. And she was pointing
Speaker 1: out that like what we have now that we didn't
Speaker 1: have then and that Sandy didn't have then is a
Speaker 1: cell phone like a camera at all times, Like photographic
Speaker 1: proof of these things is so much more powerful than
Speaker 1: anything anything we had in the nineties, you know, than
Speaker 1: just her word exactly, and the idea that that you
Speaker 1: can photograph, you can record a conversation, you can photograph
Speaker 1: the evidence of these things and when they're cumulative, they
Speaker 1: all add up to tell the story. And beyond that,
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: The suspect or a perpetrator or whatever has to somehow
Speaker 3: have been informed that the person feels in danger or
Speaker 3: threatened and feel scared like did and with that knowledge,
Speaker 3: and that's like the proof that in order to press
Speaker 3: charges or find somebody guilty of stalking or whatever, that
Speaker 3: the part of that equation is having a jury believe
Speaker 3: that the stalker knew that his behavior was scaring the person.
Speaker 3: So anyway, just like all those points are in this
Speaker 3: story where the police are like, well, there's nothing really
Speaker 3: we can do, so he did this whatever, But then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Jake's the one in trouble because
Speaker 3: he went out and punched a guy and that's you know, assault.
Speaker 3: So well, exactly, it sounds like you're saying the laws
Speaker 3: are a little stronger now. Yeah, a training order, but
Speaker 3: it's still not strong enough because exactly, people can get
Speaker 3: away with way too much. You shouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: threaten somebody for no reason, and even people get threatened online.
Speaker 1: But it's more just like what are the what are
Speaker 1: the things that a woman can do to protect herself,
Speaker 1: or like, what are the things that are first of all,
Speaker 1: they you know, we didn't have the phones in the nineties,
Speaker 1: so we didn't have that ability, that tool. But also
Speaker 1: just like knowing that that informing somebody that they're frightening
Speaker 1: you and that it feels threatening, that that is such
Speaker 1: an important piece of the equation.
Speaker 2: Which isn'tsane, okay, is that anybody's natural instinct is to
Speaker 2: go to the threat and say you're you're scaring me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel the recourse for you to stop is for
Speaker 2: me to admit that that that overpowering me is working.
Speaker 2: Like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, again, you wouldn't wish this on anybody, and exactly
Speaker 3: for any people.
Speaker 1: That's what Sandy said. She says, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do, but I have to do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we go find that Allison is back at
Speaker 1: the car dealerships, getting next to her red convertible and yay.
Speaker 3: So close.
Speaker 1: She tells Billy that she's not gonna name any more cars,
Speaker 1: that she's trying to take steps in that direction, and
Speaker 1: she tells Billy, do not look for hidden meanings in
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, do not look for a deeper thing.
Speaker 3: I will say they did a good job in this
Speaker 3: episode too, the writer's having this very intense storyline and
Speaker 3: the super light, no steak storyline, right, they do that
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a good job. This one really felt
Speaker 3: extreme to me, like from the stalking to the will
Speaker 3: she sell her.
Speaker 1: Card name Betsy?
Speaker 3: Will she not?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: It was so low stakes, which was fun, like low
Speaker 3: steaks fun. You said, they usually do it well, like
Speaker 3: should I get an abortion.
Speaker 2: And tell my husband? Or should I go bungee jupping?
Speaker 2: You know that was a perfect a job. Yeah, something
Speaker 2: serious and something's light for.
Speaker 3: Balance, Like, yeah, they do a good job of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was very extreme and they do that on purpose, don't.
Speaker 1: They They do Yeah. So, uh so at the end
Speaker 1: of the scene, the salesman comes back with not enough
Speaker 1: money to offer for Betsy and so I'm sorry the
Speaker 1: used car so that it doesn't reflect the price Alison
Speaker 1: agreed on and she's frustrated, but she's not going to
Speaker 1: sign the papers for that, and you know what, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm just not ready. We're not going to sell
Speaker 1: the car. Not happening, So.
Speaker 2: Isn't it on a tow truck being towed away?
Speaker 1: Yet started to take it away? And she's like, get
Speaker 1: it off the truck.
Speaker 3: I'm my baby, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just not ready. So then we find out what Sandy's
Speaker 1: decided to do is show up to the nursery and
Speaker 1: confront Paul herself. So he's standing there talking to the
Speaker 1: owner in a conversation, uh with the woman owner, and
Speaker 1: and she walks right in the conversation. Sandy tells Paul
Speaker 1: to drop the charges against Jake. Paul tells Sandy, but
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: You, but I love that she finally is saying this
Speaker 2: with a witness there, missus Sullivan was it her name?
Speaker 2: Who owns the.
Speaker 1: Place, Sullivan's Nursery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do this later, he says, And she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm doing it right now. Did you know that your
Speaker 2: employee has done this this? And that he's obsessive, he's
Speaker 2: a stalker, you know.
Speaker 3: Finally she's standing up for herself with a witness, witness,
Speaker 3: and she's not backing down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that about her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is why it's so great that it didn't
Speaker 3: stop with the yummy caveman moment of Jake punching him out, Like,
Speaker 3: it's so great that then she gets to go in
Speaker 3: power and stand up for herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the light of day, without any fights. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you, and kept calling him on it. I
Speaker 2: loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great, really well done, and he he
Speaker 1: agrees to leave her alone, he says, and so Sandy
Speaker 1: walks away, and then as she's walking away at her back,
Speaker 1: he says, very quietly, I'm sorry. We don't even know
Speaker 1: if she even hears it, but like she does, he
Speaker 1: does apologize. Like, I don't know, as an audience member,
Speaker 1: if I don't necessarily feel like, oh that door is closed,
Speaker 1: I still feel pretty creeped.
Speaker 3: Out by But that's a good point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, at least Sandy's you know, he's he's on he's
Speaker 1: on record, he's on alert. The police know about it,
Speaker 1: the boss knows about it, Jake knows about it. I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, Sandy's got some help now. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so ragget shooter, Sandy's working. Jake shows up to tell
Speaker 1: Sandy that the charges against him were now dropped. Yay,
Speaker 1: but he does say, you know, this was stupid of.
Speaker 2: You to go after Paul alone, and not as stupid
Speaker 2: as me to break an entering in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and go puny face yeah, I could be
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day, the place was open.
Speaker 2: You walk in and you tell him you just won't
Speaker 2: have it anymore and you call him out in front
Speaker 2: of witnesses. That was dumb, but.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: There's a place for both maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And at the end of that, he offers to
Speaker 1: walk her home again, not because he has to, but
Speaker 1: because he wants to.
Speaker 3: Oh that's sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then closure on Billy and Allison's story, Billy
Speaker 1: is awake in the middle of the night on the couch.
Speaker 1: He's watching a horror movie while eating ice cream, looks
Speaker 1: completely like a little kid, and Allison shows up in
Speaker 1: her pajamas, saying, what are you doing? And he says, well,
Speaker 1: this is something I've been doing since I was a
Speaker 1: kid when I can't sleep, and Alison remarks on how
Speaker 1: they both haven't really grown up and move over, makes
Speaker 1: space for me. She scooches them.
Speaker 3: Over right next to him.
Speaker 1: Were super cute and snugly, and they are watching the
Speaker 1: movie and she takes his ice.
Speaker 3: Cream with Eminem's and takes his ice cream in the
Speaker 3: intimacy of sharing a spoon. Boom, Hello, very cute, Mary
Speaker 3: adorable And that's how the episode ends, watched He's looking
Speaker 3: at he's looking at her, going, watched the movie, watch
Speaker 3: the movie, very cute.
Speaker 2: I love that ending.
Speaker 1: So that was episode eight.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any kisscounts.
Speaker 1: Nobody kissed in this thing, right, not really about it.
Speaker 3: No, there was like creepy Paul kiss on the cheek.
Speaker 3: There was no good kissing.
Speaker 1: Not really a real kiss.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like even worse than a wall apparently, so.
Speaker 2: It was a walk. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: We're continuing to love reading everybody's comments on our socials
Speaker 1: and getting questions. We had a couple of fan questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what. One of the fan questions we
Speaker 1: had recently was wondering how the three of us became
Speaker 1: friends behind the scenes, because it was noted that on
Speaker 1: the show, like Joe and Sydney rarely crossed paths, like
Speaker 1: not very often, and then Alice and Sidney barely ever,
Speaker 1: and when they were, they weren't usually the most friendly interactions.
Speaker 1: But so the fans are wondering how we became actual
Speaker 1: friends behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Well after yeah, after.
Speaker 3: We were a friendly we were all friendly then, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was after, right, was it? After the reunion?
Speaker 3: After the twenty fifth that we started having lunch on
Speaker 3: a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Well, I think so, yes, But I also think like
Speaker 1: during the show, like the shooting of the show, like
Speaker 1: what the fans don't see they only see like the
Speaker 1: characters on camera, like how how the characters interact, But
Speaker 1: like we have all this time and trailers and sitting
Speaker 1: around on the set, that it's like people are just
Speaker 1: being normal. There's not like you know that it's not
Speaker 1: Sidney sitting around on the set and Joe sitting around
Speaker 1: the set and Alison, it's Courtney and Daphne. I think
Speaker 1: people just sat around and interacted like normal people. But
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of time to do stuff
Speaker 1: and socialized, like you've said in another episode, like we
Speaker 1: didn't really have time to have huge social lives and
Speaker 1: go out and do stuff. And then when the show
Speaker 1: was over, everybody's lives sort of went and separate directions.
Speaker 1: But it was I think that the lingering feeling like
Speaker 1: this this was a fond time in all of our
Speaker 1: lives and like a really great group of people that
Speaker 1: we feel really like there was nothing but friendship and
Speaker 1: positive feelings, so that it was really easy to come
Speaker 1: back around and go, Hey, when we start having this
Speaker 1: reunions fifteen years later, Hey, I still really like you,
Speaker 1: and like we're now adult friends in this other stage
Speaker 1: of our lives. So it sort of like was a
Speaker 1: friendship that developed from just being an easy relationship as
Speaker 1: working people.
Speaker 2: It was a nice foundation. And I think we were
Speaker 2: all at the time when does human beings at that
Speaker 2: time in life make friends adult friends? And I feel
Speaker 2: like spending all that time, you know, we were working
Speaker 2: a lot, and like the fan points out, if we
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of scenes with each other, there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of interaction. But I remember doing some
Speaker 2: like I stayed in touch with Grant and we worked
Speaker 2: together twice after that, and or three times after that,
Speaker 2: and oh am I right, I don't know anyway, And
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, with you court a couple of times,
Speaker 2: but you went to work right away. We all had
Speaker 2: our lives and then some of you had kids, and
Speaker 2: you know, I know Courtney was doing other shows, and I.
Speaker 1: You know, we all were at my baby shower.
Speaker 2: I think I know I was at your baby shower. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And trying to think of who else I may have
Speaker 2: stayed in touch with, But there were these touchstones. I
Speaker 2: think because the foundation of being in your late twenties
Speaker 2: and thirties, early thirties, thirty I think I turned thirty
Speaker 2: on the show. It was just there, I think, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then we started to.
Speaker 3: Have those reunions and we really did enjoy time now.
Speaker 3: But we're so lucky. We didn't have any bad apples,
Speaker 3: Like there wasn't there was no drama, there wasn't infighting.
Speaker 3: We were busy, but we genuinely liked each other. Like
Speaker 3: I remember seeing you guys in the makeup trailer and
Speaker 3: sometimes if you didn't have scenes, you go hang out
Speaker 3: in the makeup trailer with each other. I hang out
Speaker 3: in wardrobe. Like we genuinely liked each other. We were
Speaker 3: just busy, and then we'd have I remember we had
Speaker 3: a photo shoot at Entertainment Weekly ten years after. We
Speaker 3: exchanged a lot of numbers. Then we had cell phones
Speaker 3: because we didn't have like cell phones with texting when
Speaker 3: we were first working together, and then we'd run into
Speaker 3: each other. Then you start exchanging numbers and having that yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, we could keep up better. So the answer
Speaker 3: is always really friendly. And when we had more time,
Speaker 3: we became friends. The next step because we could then
Speaker 3: have lunch. Like someone sends out a text, you want
Speaker 3: to have lunch, and then you can figure it out,
Speaker 3: like it, it just became easier later.
Speaker 1: And right, you had said something really sweet after we
Speaker 1: had had Josie on our episode. You said something really sweet, Courtney.
Speaker 1: You're like, we were so lucky, like we just liked
Speaker 1: each other, like we as a cast, we were all
Speaker 1: so lucky to have the group that we had and
Speaker 1: how we all felt well and.
Speaker 3: So lucky that you know, we've had Grant and Josie
Speaker 3: and Andrew on so far, and I can't wait to
Speaker 3: have everybody on, Like our co stars are excited to
Speaker 3: come to hang out for an right, it's not is
Speaker 3: it good for my career? Is it whatever? It's like,
Speaker 3: let's just get together and hang out. It's an excuse
Speaker 3: to get together. So I do think that's rare, and
Speaker 3: I think we're really lucky. And what I sent the
Speaker 3: text is people were liking that the show we did
Speaker 3: with Josie, which it might be, yeah, it's out already,
Speaker 3: and and I was saying, you know, when I watch
Speaker 3: shows as a fan, I secretly hope that the casts
Speaker 3: really get along because I like the relationships so much,
Speaker 3: And I said, if I were listening to that podcast,
Speaker 3: I would have been happy to hear that we really do, right,
Speaker 3: it's we root for that and we're lucky because we
Speaker 3: actually have that. And I do think that's rare, Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure, especially the amount of hours we worked in
Speaker 3: the intensity. Right, it's amazing that nobody turned back.
Speaker 1: Nobody's we all held it together.
Speaker 3: We all held it together. True.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're looking for dirt, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to dig deeper because it's actually.
Speaker 2: Well dig, well, dig if you need the dirt. But
Speaker 2: we got what we got, which is like we like
Speaker 2: each other, it's.
Speaker 1: In the clinker.
Speaker 2: It's in the clinker.
Speaker 1: We were all in the clinker.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: On that note, so, I think we have a we
Speaker 1: have another recap to look forward to, and I always
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing your faces. And one of these
Speaker 1: days we might all be in the same city and
Speaker 1: we can get back in person. But until then, always
Speaker 1: fun to see on zoom anyway, Yeah, guys, zoom, all right,
Speaker 1: good bye,