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Speaker 1: Let's have a hard talk about the war on the cartels.

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson joins us. Jennifer Galardi is here with

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Speaker 1: a great show tonight on I'm right, okay, let's have

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Speaker 1: a hard talk.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: This is not a talk in any way designed to

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Speaker 1: bring you down or anything like that at all.

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Speaker 3: This is not bad the talk we're going to have.

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Speaker 1: It's a wake up call, if you will, because here's

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Speaker 1: how politics has always worked.

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Speaker 3: This is not just America. It's always worked this way.

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Speaker 3: Politicians they're trying to whip up.

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Speaker 1: Public support, trying to get people support politicians of all stripes,

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Speaker 1: and so they will, out of necessity, take complicated things

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Speaker 1: and figure out a way to put them on a

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Speaker 1: bumper sticker, you know, support our troops, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: What are taxes that it's an easy sell.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying they're doing anything wrong when you

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Speaker 1: are trying to when you're speaking to the masses and

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Speaker 1: you want them to believe, to buy in, to go

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Speaker 1: spread the message out there.

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Speaker 3: Simplify, Simplify, simplify.

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Speaker 1: That is what it is about when you are a

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Speaker 1: politician trying to sell certain things. Now, let's move past

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Speaker 1: the bumper sticker stuff because we have to have to

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Speaker 1: talk about something that is coming in some way, and

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Speaker 1: that is our war against drugs, against illegal immigration, against

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Speaker 1: the cartels.

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Speaker 4: A war.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear about I'm going to say this

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Speaker 1: a million times. I'm supportive of in some ways, I'm

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Speaker 1: supportive of this. Smash illegal immigration, secure our border, deport

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Speaker 1: every single person who is here illegally, go after the cartels,

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Speaker 1: go after Fetannah. So let me be clear again, I

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Speaker 1: am supportive of this. My concern right now is politicians

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Speaker 1: have been saying things, simplifying things, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people on our side have simplified the matter in their minds.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has decided and it is official now. We

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Speaker 1: even have the names of the cartels. They put it

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Speaker 1: out this morning that the cartels, the Mexican drug cartels,

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Speaker 5: This is actually an executive order designating the cartels and

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Speaker 5: other organizations to be foreign terrorist organizations.

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Speaker 3: It's a big one, yes, sir.

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Speaker 6: People have wanted to do this for years. So they

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Speaker 6: are now designated as terrorist organizations foreign and Mexico probably

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Speaker 6: doesn't want that that. We have to do what's right.

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Speaker 3: They're killing our people.

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Speaker 6: They're killing two hundred and fifty three hundred thousand American

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Speaker 6: people year, not one hundred like has been reported for

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Speaker 6: fifteen years. It's probably three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: There's not wrong about anything there.

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Speaker 1: He just designated them a terrorist organization and admitted on

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Speaker 1: that the Mexican government probably doesn't want that. All right,

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Speaker 1: pause on that, we'll come back to that. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean, designating them a terrorist organization? Well, we don't

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Speaker 1: have to get into the legal nitty gritty. What it

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Speaker 1: does is it gives our military, the United States military,

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Speaker 1: a license to kill. It gives our military a license

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Speaker 1: to go take them out. Think about it in this way,

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Speaker 1: how do we treat other terrorist organizations? In fact, it

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Speaker 1: just happened. I think it was Monday, Sunday or Monday.

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Speaker 1: We track down the leaders, some leader of al Kaeda,

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Speaker 1: and we vaporized him. We send our killer into the

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Speaker 1: wild to find these terrorist organizations, find their leaders and

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Speaker 1: kill them, drop bombs on them, Send our SF guys

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Speaker 3: And kill them.

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Speaker 1: It is supported by the Air Force, supported by the

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Speaker 1: US Navy. It's a military operation designed to remove a

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Speaker 3: That's what it's designed to do. Now, Todd, Todd, Todd.

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Speaker 1: Tom Holman, the guy who's in charge of a lot

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Speaker 1: Tom Holman elaborated on what it.

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Speaker 3: Means to remove the cartels.

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Speaker 1: But before I played Tom Holman, remember the question is

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Speaker 1: do we want to do? I know what you want done,

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Speaker 1: so let's stop. We're not doing bumper stickers right now.

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Speaker 1: Enough of that, remove them all. I get that me too.

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Speaker 1: What do we actually believe is possible? What do we

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Speaker 1: our intention to completely eradicate the cartel? Take out every

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Speaker 7: Let me give the cartels warning. If you are borbitual

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Speaker 7: agent or a soldier, the whole world's gonna come down you.

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Speaker 7: President Trump is a strong president. He is strong enough

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Speaker 7: and he has the ability to wipe them off the

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Speaker 7: face of the earth. Now, that's the reason they were

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Speaker 7: called terrors organization, doesnate tars organization because they've killed more

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Speaker 7: Americans when they're fatting on their drugs in any terrorist

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Speaker 7: organization in the world. They are now designated terrorists. Do

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Speaker 7: not harm our troops or President Trump or bring bring

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Speaker 7: hell rain down, and he has the ability to wipe

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Speaker 7: they're a pretty tough organization that cartels, and they are,

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Speaker 7: but they're not stronger than the power of President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Now wipe them off the face of the earth. Let

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Speaker 1: me again say I'm all gained for this. You're killing

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Speaker 3: That's an act of war.

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Speaker 1: I expect the Trump administration to do something about that.

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Speaker 1: As my president, that's their job to dig in and

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Speaker 3: I expect it.

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Speaker 1: But I just wanted to have a just quick, sober

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Speaker 1: have seen all over the television set, all over the radio,

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Speaker 1: I've seen it all over social media.

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Speaker 3: I've seen so much.

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Speaker 1: Chatter, and it looks like a lot of people think

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Speaker 1: I've seen Sacario, both of them. I love them right, quick,

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Speaker 1: precise and easy, you hear, take out the drug cartels.

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Speaker 3: And from what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gathering, most people seem to think that that just means

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Speaker 1: will drop into couple Delta Force bros. Into a cartel headquarters,

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Speaker 3: Which is just one building mansion somewhere.

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Speaker 1: We'll drop the Delta Forced guys in the Haciendi and

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Speaker 1: Pepepe and we kill them.

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Speaker 3: Owen we're done. Cartels out. We want Baby.

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Speaker 1: We do not have and will not have the full

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Speaker 3: First of all, let's keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: Trump has tons of leverage there with tariffs and things

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Speaker 1: not have the government on our side. The Mexican government

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Speaker 1: kind of ingrained with the cartels. The last time the

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Speaker 1: they lost lots of troops as they tried to go

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Speaker 5: The cartels are what we call a wicked homeland security problem,

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Speaker 5: very very difficult to just simply destroy them militarily. Hundreds

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Speaker 5: of thousands of Mexicans work for the cartels in various

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Speaker 5: easy to just wipe them out. And furthermore, under the

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Speaker 5: administration of President Philippe Calderon from two thousand and six

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Speaker 5: through about twenty twelve, they waged all out military war.

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Speaker 5: They tried with everything they had to wipe out those cartels,

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Speaker 5: and they got their butts kicked and withdrew and as

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Speaker 5: a result, we got hugs not bullets. As a policy,

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Speaker 5: two hundred thousand Mexican dead.

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Speaker 1: Horrible.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know you're probably scamming that

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Speaker 3: we're not the Mexican government or mexicanuality. You are right.

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Speaker 1: We are better, bigger, stronger, faster, better funded, we have

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Speaker 3: Better everything. I know we can win. I understand.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying we can't do it, So don't send

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Speaker 1: me your stupid emails that you're saying that's not what

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Speaker 1: I said. What I'm saying is this, depending on what

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Speaker 1: is fraught with danger. We have Mexican cartels throughout this country,

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Speaker 1: citizens of this country.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I live in.

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Speaker 1: The Houston area, one of our suburbs. It is known,

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Speaker 1: Its widely known, understood by the police. By the way

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Speaker 3: We even know where they are. They're here, they're there.

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Speaker 1: Half of the Mexican states are controlled top to bottom,

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Speaker 1: build the hospitals, they'll pay for your wedding. I'm not

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Speaker 1: something that will not be quick. It will not be easy,

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Speaker 1: and that is my only point is, don't boil this down.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, take out the car.

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Speaker 3: It's not a bumper.

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Speaker 1: Sticker, and it's not going to be fast and it's

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Speaker 1: So do not convince yourself that it'll be fast, it'll

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Speaker 1: After all, we have Delta Horse. No, that's not how

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Speaker 1: these things work. When you're dealing with an ingrained terrorist

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Speaker 1: say last night, Sineloa alone has sixty thousand employees. You

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Speaker 1: are entering their territory trying to remove their government. That's

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Speaker 1: essentially what it means. That's not easy. I don't care

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Speaker 1: This was not a long talk to talk you out

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Speaker 1: a rhetoric. I'm not saying that. I'm saying adjust your mindset.

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Speaker 1: This ain't gonna be easy. All that may have made

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Speaker 3: I am right.

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Speaker 1: We have a retired Ice special agent, Victor Avila.

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Speaker 3: He's going to join us.

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Speaker 1: Next, we'll talk to him a little bit about this

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Speaker 1: immigration enforcement other things. Before we get to Victor. Let

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Speaker 1: me get to this. Let's get your expenses done a

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Speaker 1: little bit easier, shall we.

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Speaker 3: I hate it.

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Speaker 1: Expense time in my household is a time of tension

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Speaker 1: because I have to get these phone calls and these

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Speaker 3: From Oh, my wife.

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Speaker 1: She does all the expenses, she does all the accounting,

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Speaker 1: all the expenses, and it just sucks. It sucks for her,

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Speaker 1: it sucks for me. I know I don't have this receipt. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what category this was.

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Speaker 3: Your company? Go through that?

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Speaker 1: How much time do you spend on? Just get a

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Speaker 9: I think Mexico is largely run by the cartels, and

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Speaker 9: It's hard to believe that we accept this. It's hard

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Speaker 3: It's hard to believe it. And it is wonderful to

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Speaker 1: So how do we eradicate the cartels in a country

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Speaker 1: that is in large part, at least half of it

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I bet you Victor knows more about

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Speaker 1: Joining me now, Victor Avila, retired special ice agent. Okay, Victor,

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Speaker 1: I am all on board with this. Let's go after

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Speaker 3: I'm all on board with that.

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people have convinced themselves

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Speaker 2: That's actually true, and believe me, it's music to my years.

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Speaker 2: I've been, along with some other colleagues, calling for this

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Speaker 3: We've recognized the cartels as terrorists for a long long time.

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Speaker 2: As they've evolved in the last decade or so, they're

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Speaker 3: This is what we need to do. This is the

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Speaker 2: Why several things here because you asked how we're going

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Speaker 2: to take them out, Well, it's multifaceted.

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Speaker 3: First of all, with the true designation.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the designation actually just came in from

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Speaker 2: the State Department, and that's what really I push around

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Speaker 3: And the list is incredible.

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Speaker 2: These are the ones that I myself would personally have included.

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Speaker 2: These are the main cartels in Mexico, many factions underneath them,

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Speaker 2: under different names, but they fall under these main umbrellas.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, we get to attack their money now, take

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Speaker 2: away their assets, their bank accounts, anything that they have

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: You're actually already seeing it as at President Trump obviously

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Speaker 3: This is it.

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Speaker 2: This is the beginning of what you're seeing of enforcement actions.

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Speaker 2: So you gather the intel. Then once you get the intel,

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Speaker 2: by the way, we have our special forces training training,

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Speaker 3: And doesn't get any better than this.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is what you're This is the layout,

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Speaker 3: Victor.

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving asking you to give away anything you

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Speaker 3: What are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: Because no matter what we do, you know, you can

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Speaker 2: And that's a great point because, believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: my concern is not so much with Mexico. Yes, the

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Speaker 2: believe it or not, I think that's the easy part.

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Speaker 2: If you take them out, whether they arrest them, whether

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Speaker 2: of enfortunate they do. When I'm concerned about another cartel

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Speaker 2: Likely they're not gonna throw up their hands and give up.

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Speaker 2: That's not in their nature. Believe me, I know personally.

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Speaker 2: So this is my concern, is that what are these

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Speaker 3: By the way, They're in every major city that's been

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, even more so now the

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Speaker 3: What is their action? That is my concern.

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Speaker 2: And here's another thing, Jesse, that this designation does. Now,

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Speaker 3: Like if you were messing with Isis. So we have

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Speaker 2: And this is where I think you're gonna start breaking

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Speaker 2: just take them out there as well, but also from

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Speaker 2: dismantling from the small groups that have that are in

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Speaker 2: Chicago and Saint Louis, in Philadelphia, all over our country. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're associating with Sinaloa or any of these and

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Speaker 2: you're pushing their drugs, we're gonna go pick you up

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Speaker 2: and charge you with other different types of chargers, not

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Speaker 1: Talk to me a little bit more of Victor if

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't mind about the money that is here, Because

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Speaker 1: the guys I talk to Border Patrol guys, FBI guys,

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Speaker 1: Ice guys, they tell me it is such a staggering

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Speaker 1: sum and so much of their money is really woven

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Speaker 1: into large parts.

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Speaker 3: Of this economy.

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Speaker 1: It's not all sitting in some stash house and some

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Speaker 1: guys you know, briefcase, it's investments in companies. They're sitting

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Speaker 3: They definitely have some cashing around, But you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: This is the money line and aspect of it that

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Speaker 2: we concentrate a lot, at least in my career. This

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Speaker 3: I've said it many times.

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Speaker 2: If you would take away the illicit funds from a cartel,

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Speaker 2: especially at banks along the border in McAllen, Texas or Passo, Texas,

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Speaker 2: those banks would collapse overnight.

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Speaker 3: A lot of businesses would collapse overnight. That's what we want.

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Speaker 2: We want these businesses to collapse because they're illicit. And

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Speaker 2: any business that you can think of, if you could

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Speaker 2: name it, the cartel has tried it. Whether it's retail,

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Speaker 2: whether it's vehicles, you name it, used cars, mortgages, you

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Speaker 2: name it. They have input their money because they have

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Speaker 2: to clean it somehow. And believe it or not, some

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Speaker 3: By the way, and so not just in the United States, but.

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Speaker 2: According to DEA, over sixty five countries around the world,

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Speaker 3: What does that do?

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Speaker 2: It gives them the power, and they have the power

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Speaker 2: reduce their power, and then we really start debilitating them

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Speaker 3: Now, Victor.

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Speaker 1: How do the other international criminal groups play into this

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty widely known for people who know

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Speaker 1: and from time to time they work together. Time to

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Speaker 2: It depends, I mean not necessarily, I believe it or not.

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Speaker 3: Why because they know they could finance them.

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Speaker 2: They know they're making billions of dollars and they need

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Speaker 2: So but mainly obviously, we take down the core, which

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Speaker 3: This is where the orders are coming from.

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Speaker 2: I'll see we'll see boots on the ground in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: I think we have a lot of different types of

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Speaker 3: Victor, thank you for giving it to us for real.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you all right.

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson joins us next to talk about the

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Speaker 1: all important budget, a budget process that's happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, let's talk about your cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Let's save you a little bit of money, because I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you right now what Ron Johnson's about to tell

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Speaker 1: you is going to hurt a little bit to hear

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Speaker 1: the budget. Inflation is not going to get better, I'll

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Speaker 1: put it that way. Find ways to save money. Switch

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Speaker 1: AT and T doesn't. A nice side benefit of that

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Speaker 1: is I pay half of what I was paying before.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to pay less for the same cell

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Speaker 1: phone service?

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Speaker 3: They're on the same.

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Speaker 1: Vibe g network, Puretalk dot com slash jessetv.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back, okay.

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Speaker 1: So amongst all the Ukraine cartel talk and everything else,

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Speaker 1: doge and everything else going on right now, there is

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Speaker 1: that little thing called the budget of the United States

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Speaker 1: of America, and it's gigantic.

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Speaker 3: The question is just how gigantic is it going to be?

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Speaker 1: Joining me now, a great senator from the state of Wisconsin,

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson, Senator. Apparently there are two different budgets.

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Speaker 1: There's a House budget, there's a Senate budget. What are

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Speaker 1: the budgets look like?

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Speaker 3: What? What are you supporting? What are we dealing with here?

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Speaker 10: First of all, thank you for focusing on it. So

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Speaker 10: let me just give you some numbers. Washington, DC doesn't

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Speaker 10: like talk about numbers very much. So in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 10: we spent four point four trillion dollars. Then we went

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Speaker 10: on a pandemic spending spree average six point five trillion dollars.

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Speaker 8: Over the next five years.

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Speaker 10: Last year we spend six point nine This year, we're

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Speaker 10: on track to spend seven point three trillion dollars sixty

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Speaker 10: one percent more. Now, Jesse, no American family, if somebody

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Speaker 10: got ill and they had to borrow fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 10: and then that person got well, they wouldn't keep borrowing

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Speaker 10: fifty thousand dollars and keep spending that level. That's insane.

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Speaker 10: That's exactly what the federal government has done. So now

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Speaker 10: we've got two budget resolutions working through, one through the House,

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Speaker 10: one through the Senate. What the Senate has done, and

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Speaker 10: I appreciate Chairman Graham's efforts here, he's taken one of

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Speaker 10: my options. I've given people four options for a pre

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Speaker 10: pandemic level spending.

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Speaker 8: Won't go into the details, but he chose President Trump's.

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Speaker 10: Budget for twenty twenty five using this year's social curity, Medicare,

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Speaker 10: and interest that totals six trillion, sixty one billion dollars.

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Speaker 8: That is the sentence budget resolution.

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Speaker 10: Now, there's a lot of things we need to do

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Speaker 10: to actually bring spending down to that reasonable pre pandemic

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Speaker 10: level spending. What the House is doing is they're starting

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Speaker 10: from basically what we're spending today seven point three trillion dollars,

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Speaker 10: and they're experiencing what I would call death by one

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Speaker 10: thousand cuts because nobody wants to cut anything in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 10: So what you have out of the House budget or

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Speaker 10: budget resolution is literally something saying that they're going to

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Speaker 10: cut up to two trillion dollars, which sounds like a lot,

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Speaker 10: but over ten years, that's two hundred billion dollars a year,

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Speaker 10: so they would go from seven point three trillion down

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Speaker 10: to seven point one. Again, the set of budget resolutions

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Speaker 10: is six trillion sixty one billion.

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Speaker 8: Let me just throw one another thing in here.

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Speaker 10: If you looked at Trump's spending in twenty nineteen, that

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Speaker 10: was four point four trillion. If you increase that by

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Speaker 10: population growth and inflation, using today's soci security and medicare

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Speaker 10: and interest, that'd be six point five trillion dollars, basically

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Speaker 10: eight hundred billion dollars less and what we're currently spending.

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Speaker 10: But the House is saying all they can do is

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Speaker 10: spend two hundred billion dollars less. At one pint of comment,

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Speaker 10: I don't think anybody who voted for President Trump believed

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Speaker 10: he would continue spending at President Biden's levels. So I

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Speaker 10: hope President Trump takes that in an account. He told

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Speaker 10: us Don mar Lago couple five ago that he wanted

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Speaker 10: to balance the budget. Well, the only way we're going

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Speaker 10: to balance the budget when we're bringing somewhere between five

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Speaker 10: and five and a half trillion dollars of revenue, is

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Speaker 10: we better get spending down closer to the Senate version,

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Speaker 10: which is six trillion. I'd go further if you take

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Speaker 10: Clinton's nineteen ninety eight total expenditures, grow it by population growth, inflation,

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Speaker 10: use today's social cocading, medicare, and interest. That'd be five

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Speaker 10: point five trillion dollars virtually balance the budget.

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Speaker 8: That's where I would start.

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Speaker 10: All these members always talking about zero based budgeting, right,

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Speaker 10: they're not serious about it. I'm proposing a pre pandemic

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Speaker 10: baseline of spending, and everybody's throwing up their hands, going, oh,

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Speaker 10: we can't do that, we can't do that, we can't

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Speaker 10: cut that.

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Speaker 8: I keep reminding them.

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Speaker 10: Three quarters of the word can't is can used to

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Speaker 10: drive my kids nuts.

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Speaker 8: That's true.

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Speaker 10: We have to do this, but we need presidential leadership.

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Speaker 10: We need the press United States to say we are

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Speaker 10: going to dramatically reduce the size, scope and costs of government.

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Speaker 10: Now he's doing it through DOGE, but in the end

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Speaker 10: Congress has to, through a reconciliation process, actually reduce spending

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Speaker 10: on the mandatory's accounts other than socialcaty or medicare.

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Speaker 8: Those are off the table.

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Speaker 10: In my figures, This keeps spending SOLI, scaty, medicare at

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Speaker 10: the same levels, and you could set the budget sere

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Speaker 10: between five point five and six point five trillion dollars

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Speaker 10: at a minimum eight hundred billion dollars less that we're

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Speaker 10: currently spending. I know, it's a lot of numbers. It's

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Speaker 10: actually pretty simple achieving it's going to be a bear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I got a little bit more complicated today.

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Speaker 1: I did see that the President came out and spoke

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Speaker 1: lovingly of the House one and dislike the Senate one.

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Speaker 3: Now number is aside.

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Speaker 1: That means there's something in that one he loves and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't find it in the Senate one. I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: what is it that Donald Trump loves about the House

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Speaker 1: one more than the Lensing gram budget as it's known as.

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Speaker 8: Now, Well, he.

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Speaker 10: Believes all his tax cuts that he ran on as

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Speaker 10: a candidate would be included in that.

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Speaker 8: There's no guarantee of that.

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Speaker 10: The bad thing about what the House is doing is

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Speaker 10: whatever we do in terms of taxes would not be permanent.

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Speaker 10: They would expire, just like the Tax Cutting Jobs Act. Mean,

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Speaker 10: that's a real problem with Tax Cutting Jobs Act that

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Speaker 10: their provisions have already expired. Everything other than the C

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Speaker 10: corporate and the tax provisions for only five cent American

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Speaker 10: businesses expire automatically twenty twenty six. Let's not make that

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Speaker 10: same mistake. That was a massive mistake. Let's not do

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Speaker 10: that twice. I mean, learn from what mistakes we made

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Speaker 10: last time.

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Speaker 1: Senator, can you explain to those of us who aren't

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Speaker 1: in this room, we don't understand how this works.

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Speaker 3: It does get complicated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Senate has a budget, the House has a budget.

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Speaker 1: How does the budget get decided? Then you guys have

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Speaker 1: a game of pickleball to work all this out? How

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Speaker 1: does it work from here?

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Speaker 10: Well, this all dates back to the nineteen seventy four

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Speaker 10: Budget Act sets up this process that allows us to

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Speaker 10: reconcile the budget actually pass leg without the sixty vote

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Speaker 10: requirement in the Senate. So it makes majorities able to

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Speaker 10: pass things without Democrat support. The budget in the end

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Speaker 10: can be completely meaningless because all the budget does is

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Speaker 10: sets up goals and then instructs the committees to go

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Speaker 10: about and pass legislation.

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Speaker 8: But you can pass the legislation.

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Speaker 10: With fifty one votes, so there's no guarantee that will

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Speaker 10: actually hit those budget targets. I as a business guy,

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Speaker 10: I'm trying to change that dynamic and actually make the

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Speaker 10: budget the way Americans use it is like limits, where no,

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Speaker 10: you're not going to appropriate more than what we put

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Speaker 10: in the budget from mandatories. From the mandatory accounts, which

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Speaker 10: is the only thing that can impact through reconciliation, the

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Speaker 10: committees of jurisdiction, the authorized committees have to change those

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Speaker 10: programs so we don't overspend on those amounts. But again,

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Speaker 10: I'm laying out the total budget, five six thousand lines

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Speaker 10: of it, and the committees will then have to go

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Speaker 10: do the work and make sure that they don't spend

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Speaker 10: more than what we lay out in that budget.

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Speaker 8: I know it's complex.

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Speaker 10: I understand why people don't understand it, which I'm trying

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Speaker 10: to simplify just terms of dollars. How insane it is

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Speaker 10: that in nine twenty nineteen we spend four point four,

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Speaker 10: and now we're spending seven point three and Republicans in

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Speaker 10: control President set House are just having an amazingly difficult

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Speaker 10: time bringing spending even below seven trillion dollars.

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Speaker 8: When I'm laying out.

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Speaker 10: Very reasonable possibility, I don't think Bill Clinton spent too little.

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Speaker 10: We use his total atlays inflate them for population growth inflation.

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Speaker 10: It's five point five trillion. That'd be a reasonable baseline

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Speaker 10: to start from. Now, maybe spend too little on defense, Okay,

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Speaker 10: bluss it up. You're still going to be well below

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Speaker 10: seven trillion dollars. But again, this is going to need

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Speaker 10: and if President Trump's listening to us, President.

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Speaker 8: Trump, you have to lead.

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Speaker 10: You have to understand the most important thing is to

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Speaker 10: reduce spending.

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Speaker 8: It's about reducing spending right now. You want to get.

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Speaker 10: Government under control. We don't fund it to the extent

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Speaker 10: we're funding it now. Spending, spending, spending. We don't ever

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Speaker 10: have a new problem. We've got an awful tax code.

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Speaker 10: I'd love to simplify and rationalize it. We have a

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Speaker 10: spending problem. It's obvious and suspending problem problem. There's an

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Speaker 10: obvious way to return to a reasonable pre pandemic baseline.

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Speaker 10: But again, I've been preaching this since Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 10: ran my op ed on January tewod this year, it's

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Speaker 10: gaining some traction, but unfortunately most of my colleagues say, Oh, we.

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Speaker 8: Can't do that, can't do that, can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Keep fighting, Senator, I know you have to step into

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Speaker 1: a meeting. Thank you for explaining that for us. We

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Speaker 1: do understand it a lot better than at least I

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Speaker 1: did ten minutes ago.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you very much. Come back soon. It's one

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Speaker 3: of the good ones. Man.

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Speaker 1: Try look you mad about the price of eggs, suspending,

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Speaker 1: mad about the price of everything, the inflation, suspending all

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Speaker 1: the other stuff is fun. It's fun to beat up

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Speaker 1: Social Security, the waste, the fraud they're finding there. It's

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Speaker 1: fun to beat up USA. You want the cost in

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Speaker 1: your life to go down. Got to address suspending period

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Speaker 1: end a story, all right. You have to address your

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Speaker 1: sleep too, because you should be sleeping more than you are.

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Speaker 1: You should be sleeping better and more. You get fitful

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Speaker 1: sleep where you're tossing and turn and waking up every hour.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go pee at midnight. If that happened to you,

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Speaker 1: you know, when I have a cup of hot chocolate

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Speaker 1: with dream powder in it.

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Speaker 3: That's just what it is. It's a cup of hot chocolate,

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Speaker 3: but it has melatonin and things like that. I don't

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Speaker 3: wake up in the middle of the night. What a difference.

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Speaker 1: What a difference when you sleep through the night, wake

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Speaker 1: up with those pillow lines on your face because you

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Speaker 1: never moved, you feel good when you wake up. That's

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Speaker 11: I want the agencies under eights to earn that act

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Speaker 11: level of global trusts. And what is the past of

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Speaker 11: public trust? The past to trust is always through transparency.

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Speaker 11: No one trusts the government built onlies, under secrets, on

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Speaker 11: cover ups and propaganda.

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Speaker 3: Not wrong. We've talked about this many times. You do

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Speaker 3: want to.

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Speaker 1: Get that trust back to the institutions.

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Speaker 3: Open the books, let's see inside.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now, Jennifer Gallardi visiting fellow with the Independent

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Speaker 1: Women's Form. Hey, Jennifer, what's a visiting fellow? Before we

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Speaker 1: go any further, I don't have these academic credentials.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 12: It's just some fancy title they decided.

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Speaker 13: To give me to talk about health policy, So I'll

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Speaker 13: take it makes me harder than I am.

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Speaker 3: Jesse, Hey, stand in line. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wants their reformer of some kind to go in

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Speaker 1: and reform everything.

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Speaker 3: I'm no different.

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Speaker 1: I want Cash Betel to go clean up everything up

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Speaker 1: with the FBI and Pam Bondi at the DOJ, and

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Speaker 1: I want OURFK Junior to go kick over some tables

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Speaker 1: and pull out the bullwhips and pull a Jesus in

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Speaker 1: the temple in the Ajas. But it's not always that easy.

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Speaker 1: What do we expect?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, President Trump is not messing around. I think

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Speaker 13: we've seen that the past few weeks. He's hired Kennedy

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Speaker 13: to execute the same sweeping, holistic approach.

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Speaker 12: To health as he's hired Mus to do with DOGE.

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Speaker 13: So this tinkering that we've been doing with Medicare, Medicaid,

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Speaker 13: prescription drug costs, and Obamacare for the past twenty years,

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Speaker 13: it just it hasn't worked. It's gotten us nowhere. In fact,

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Speaker 13: it only seems to have made people fatter and sicker,

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Speaker 13: and it's cost more of our taxpayer dollars to fund

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Speaker 13: a very broken system. And that's the problem when you

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Speaker 13: try to resolve illness whether that illness is in the

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Speaker 13: government or it's in our own bodies. Through silos of

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Speaker 13: expertise and fields of specialization, kind of nitpicking, looking for

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Speaker 13: little things rather than a more holistic approach that treats

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Speaker 13: root causes and not just symptoms. You have to rip

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Speaker 13: disease out from its roots again, whether it's at the

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Speaker 13: Department of Justice, whether it's at AHHS or CDC or FDA.

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Speaker 13: And this is why Trump's MAHA Commission involves not only HHS,

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Speaker 13: but also the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Education

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Speaker 13: for as long as we still have a Department of Education,

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Speaker 13: Science and Technology to kind of address the social media

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Speaker 13: influence on health, housing and nerve and development, etc.

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Speaker 3: Etc.

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Speaker 13: There's more than fourteen agencies as part of that mission.

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Speaker 13: So we've got to fix the food issue. If we're

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Speaker 13: going to solve this problem of chronic disease, that's going

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Speaker 13: to be through USDA and agriculture as well as the FDA.

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Speaker 12: We've got to change our approach to education.

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Speaker 13: I think you'll be on board with this and teach

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Speaker 13: kids how to become healthy, sovereign individual citizens rather than

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Speaker 13: just these autonomous little robots. Right that just low math

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Speaker 13: and science. We've got to teach them how to be

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Speaker 13: good citizens, how to take care of their health. And

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Speaker 13: of course we need unbiased research where scientists aren't paid

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Speaker 13: off by a big farmer, this corporate capture.

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Speaker 12: I mean, we've heard the talking points.

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Speaker 13: From Kennedy during his confirmation hearings, and now it's just

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Speaker 13: time to get to work, Jennifer.

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Speaker 1: Let's focus on a couple of the specifics and all

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Speaker 1: this fat Why are we so fat as a country?

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Speaker 3: Because it is concerning for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 1: I want my sons to get married one day to

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Speaker 1: a woman who doesn't outweigh them.

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Speaker 3: Why are we so fat?

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Speaker 13: I think it's a combination of personal responsibility, which we've

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Speaker 13: lost across the board in this country. Right, nobody wants

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Speaker 13: to be responsible for their own health, for their own finances.

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Speaker 13: We've gotten into this position of safety right where the

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Speaker 13: left uses this all the time, that it's more important

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Speaker 13: to be safe than it is to have the freedom

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Speaker 13: to make decisions. There's that Franklin quote. You know, if

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Speaker 13: you prioritize safety over liberty, you will have neither. And

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Speaker 13: we saw that during COVID, so you know we're prioritizing

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Speaker 13: this kind of safety thing. Instead of giving people the

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Speaker 13: ability to take care of their health, we expect government

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Speaker 13: to come in at every turn.

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Speaker 12: And fix us and save us.

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Speaker 13: And the more I think we go towards a comfortable society,

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Speaker 13: meaning we get food delivered to our door, we're not walking,

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Speaker 13: I mean just the very practical aspects of that. We're

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Speaker 13: not actually in the garden growing our own food and cooking.

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Speaker 13: But it's just this overall kind of passiveness to life

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Speaker 13: that leads to comfort.

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Speaker 12: And then we're like, well, well, just let the government

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Speaker 12: do it.

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Speaker 13: I think there's part of that is the responsibility piece.

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Speaker 13: But then there also is the issue with over subsidizing

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Speaker 13: a lot of these products that are terrible for us,

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Speaker 13: which led to processed food. We over subsidize corn, we

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Speaker 13: over subsidize wheat, soy products. When you have an overabundance

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Speaker 13: of those, they're going to go into unhealthy carb products.

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Speaker 13: And then you've got all sorts of I think the

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Speaker 13: conversation now instead of just diabetes or obesity, what a

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Speaker 13: lot of I hate to use the word experts, but

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Speaker 13: what a lot of doctors I trust and people I

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Speaker 13: know have done good research. What we really should be

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Speaker 13: looking at is insulin and the effect insulin resistance has

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Speaker 13: on prodict health.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer, the stuff and the food that you just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: all the garbage in the food, I hear. I can

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Speaker 1: hear my wife ranting about it as we speak. She's

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Speaker 1: probably watching this segment, cheering you on all the crap

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Speaker 1: in the food.

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Speaker 3: What do we want our FK to do about that?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm also a small government guy, I'd rather there

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Speaker 1: was no FDA, but we do have an FDA.

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Speaker 3: What do we expect? What do we want out of him?

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Speaker 9: There?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: I think we have to strike this balance between government

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Speaker 13: not allowing these huge food conglomerates from utilizing toxic substances like.

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Speaker 12: The red dye. They're proven to be toxic.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 13: There's a lot of debate about glyph estate and chemicals

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Speaker 13: on our food, and some studies say no, they actually

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Speaker 13: have no impact on on health. But then those studies

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Speaker 13: are often bought and paid for by people that make

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Speaker 13: ground up. But we have to find the balance between

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Speaker 13: that and doing everything again in this name of safety,

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Speaker 13: Kennedy can't do everything.

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Speaker 12: I mean, one of the guidelines we can use is in.

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Speaker 13: Europe they have certain things banned like red dye three.

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Speaker 12: We can kind of look towards that.

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Speaker 13: We're also the only country, I think us in New

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Speaker 13: Zealand that allows pharm pharma to run drug advertisements.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 12: So there's some of those things we.

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Speaker 13: Can do, but at some point people have to take

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Speaker 13: responsibility for their health and say no more. You know,

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Speaker 13: I'm too fat, I'm too sick, I'm too unhealthy. And

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Speaker 13: there are a million places, like I said, to go

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Speaker 13: for good health information. Now there's podcasts and magazines and

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Speaker 13: blogs and all these people talking about a low carb diet.

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Speaker 13: There's so many ways we have to get the word

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Speaker 13: out there. We have to educate people that this is

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Speaker 13: available to them.

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Speaker 12: I'm with you. I'm not about forcing anybody in.

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Speaker 13: And he said in his talk to Ajjes yesterday he

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Speaker 13: addressed AJHS trying to find like this point of unity

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Speaker 13: and coming in with a clean slate. He said, I

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Speaker 13: don't want to come in and replace one paradigm with

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Speaker 13: another by force. So we're really going to have to

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Speaker 13: get the people behind this to say we've we've had

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Speaker 13: enough so that when government does make a change, they're

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Speaker 13: not going to rebel against it.

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Speaker 12: Because we see Trump doing that right.

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Speaker 13: Trump's just making all sorts of changes, and it is

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Speaker 13: what the people ask for, So the people have to

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Speaker 13: ask for health. And I think then Kennedy will have

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Speaker 13: the support to go out and make these changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I can't let you go

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Speaker 3: because you're a former LIB.

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Speaker 1: I can't let you go without asking how your old

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Speaker 1: former lib friends are handling the old Trump presidency. Are

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Speaker 1: they are they moving our way? Are they losing their minds?

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Speaker 1: Are they just despondent? How are they doing?

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Speaker 12: Jesse, They're not well, They're not at all.

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Speaker 13: And I and I'm trying, like you can't get through

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Speaker 13: to people, don't.

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Speaker 12: I don't know.

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Speaker 13: I think it's just a different way of seeing the world.

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Speaker 13: I said this to my mother in a conversation last night.

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Speaker 13: I just see the world differently now. I'm much happier.

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Speaker 13: I don't have this lens of always looking for everything

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Speaker 13: to go wrong.

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Speaker 12: And you know, I've been listening to some put.

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Speaker 13: Like I try to stay out of a lot of

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Speaker 13: pop culture, but like I guess Kamma gave a speech

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Speaker 13: to actors on Broadway and it's just so you know,

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Speaker 13: about filling the void and the vacuum I'm like, we're

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Speaker 13: so done. Why are you still talking? Nobody cares? And

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Speaker 13: then this Democrat rep. Who brought in a picture of

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Speaker 13: musk and called it a I hate even saying this,

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Speaker 13: but like a dick pic. And like they're they're trying

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Speaker 13: to use inappropriate humor that people found so endearing with Trump,

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Speaker 13: but missing the humor part, and then it just ends

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Speaker 13: up weird and they keep thinking they have a messaging problem.

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Speaker 13: I'm like, no, you don't have a messaging problem. You

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Speaker 13: have a problem. You know how much they shove it,

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Speaker 13: that message is never going to be palatable to people anymore.

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Speaker 13: And you know, I don't know what they're going to do,

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Speaker 13: but if they keep going that way, I'm perfectly happy.

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Speaker 12: Just keep going that way.

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Speaker 1: And you know, filling the void. That's actually a great

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Speaker 1: name for Kamala's biography. Jennifer, thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. All Right, we have light in the mood.

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Speaker 1: Next it is time to lighten the mood. And look,

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Speaker 1: at some point in time, CNN is going to have

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Speaker 1: to stop inviting the great Congressman Tim Burchett on the show.

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Speaker 12: Well, then why are y'all not exposing it?

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Speaker 8: Have y'all.

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Speaker 10: Have y'all even talked about, Hey, mosen Bank, we sent

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Speaker 10: him ten million dollars for circumcisions. I mean, goodness, gracious

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Speaker 10: Americans are we have?

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Speaker 2: We've been covering at least salaries where the money is

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Speaker 2: going here?

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Speaker 10: You all all, y'all do is run down Elon Musk

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Speaker 10: and Donald Trump, and you continuously do this, and that's

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Speaker 10: why your ratings are in the tunk, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: You all right, Congressman temper Chet, We're gonna leave it there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just doesn't care. Is the best a suitable

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