1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ, Buck? 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: And look who it is. It's our old buddy, Mike 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Mayock joining the show. Mike. How the heck are you? Buddy? 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. How you guys do it? Oh? 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Come on, man, I'm fit. I'm so fired up about 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: this today because we get to talk all the time, 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: and I always felt like if we kind of take 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: the conversations that we have and then just like record them, 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: I think it would be fun content Buck, I know, 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: like the three of us when we've always had a 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: chance to get together and talk offline, it's just good 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: ball talk. So thanks for coming on, man, we appreciate you. 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: You know what's funny. I run into Bucky and airports 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: all the time, and I get a kick out of 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: it because I get to sit down next to somebody 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: with a cup of coffee and talk ball. And it's 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: the same thing. I mean, all three of us just 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: love talking ball. 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Before we get the ball. I want to touch on 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: that coffee thing is Starbucks coffee is like the play 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: the stuff you buy out in the world. Is it 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: more powerful than these stupid little pods I'm drinking because 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: I just been drinking these little uh what is it espresso? 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: Not necessarily so I'm drinking those every day. I think 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: it's just water because I had a real Starbucks today, 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: and I feel like I've done cocaine. I feel like 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: off the walls right now. 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: DJ, for the record, did you just confirm that you've 30 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: used cocaine? 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: You could put you could put sugar, salt, caine on 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: the table and I wouldn't be able to tell you 33 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: which was any of the three. But I've assumed I've 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: seen movies, Mike, I watched Oh my gosh. All right, hey, 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: we want to jump into some some some football stuff 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: here at starting with what's going to be an awesome 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: game Philly casey rematch of the Super Bowl. Uh, Mike, 38 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: let's let's start there. And let's start, uh Philly off 39 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: of what we saw last year. A lot of new faces, 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: but again they get they get the job done against 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Dallas Week one. What have you seen from them? 42 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna give you a twenty second synopsis of 43 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: their offense, which is just my synopsis from three hours 44 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: of watching their offensive tape. And you guys can react 45 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: to that and disagree all you want. Point Number one, 46 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 2: their quarterback, Jalen Hurts, won the game for him. Okay, 47 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: his legs, his ability to scramble. I mean they had 48 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: back Dallas had back to back blitzes with a nickel 49 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: and a corner, both of whom came free, neither of 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: whom touched Jalen Hurts because he made a miss and 51 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: made plays, and that happened all night long. Their offense 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: wasn't real good the other night. Number one won the game. 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: Number two. If you're going to be in twelve and 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: thirteen personnel, your tight ends better block better. Number three, 55 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: their offensive line, which I love and give them props 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: all the time, did not play particularly well. Osa Odigi 57 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: Zulu number ninety seven for Dallas Quick. He caused problems 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: on the inside all night long. I didn't think Land 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: and Dickerson moved particularly. 60 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Well straight up and down. Mike could Is he hurt? 61 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been hurt. They weren't sure if he was 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: going to make the game. He didn't play well, even 63 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: the tackles you know who rarely get criticized. My lot. 64 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: I had some struggle, struggles with the speed guys to 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: the outside lane. Johnson got moved with the power guys 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: on the other side. So when I look at that tape, 67 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: I give the quarterback an A plus and I give 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: the rest of the team about a C plus on offense. 69 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: You know, Mike, I want to go back to the 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: quarterback right because I think the quarterback's evolution is one 71 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: of the more remarkable things that I've ever seen in 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: the draft process. Like thinking about Jalen Hurson, what he 73 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: was at Alabama before he went to Oklahoma to what 74 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: he's become. 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: Now, have you ever seen anything like that? And if 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 4: you have, what is the. 77 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: Secret sauce to Jayalen Hurst that has made him outperform 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: what we thought his draft stealing would be. 79 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: I remember, like it was yesterday, interviewing him at the 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: combine for the twenty twenty draft with the Raiders, and 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: I walked away, and you know how those meetings go. 82 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: You don't get much time with the kids, right, It's 83 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: hard to make an impression one way or the other. 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: I came away going Wow, I mean the adversity this 85 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: kid has dealt with in his life, the way he 86 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: handles it on an even keel, I think has permeated 87 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 2: all the way through to today. If you watch his 88 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: press conferences with the Eagles, it's all about just team 89 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 2: and getting better every day. He's never real high, he's 90 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: never real low. But when they need him, he plays 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: his best football. I mean, I thought he played outstanding 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: in both Super Bowls against Kansas City. And they got 93 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: a lot of big name stars and Saquon Barkley and 94 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: all these guys, But at the end of the day, 95 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: he's the calm influence in the locker room. They believe 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: in him and Buck. I think we all always know 97 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: about his legs. I think he's judicious with how he 98 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: uses his legs. He knows when to get down. He's 99 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: got a great feel for how many yards he can 100 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: get and not take a big shot. And the thing 101 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: that continues to improve. And I had some problems with it, 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: like halfway through the season a year ago. But his 103 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: pocket mechanics and ability to get the ball out quickly 104 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: I was worried about a year ago, and I think 105 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: he was so concerned about making turnovers he held onto 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 2: the ball. I think he's completely changed all that around. 107 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: I just think the guy every day gets a little better. 108 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: He understands what he's trying to do. He never gets 109 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: beyond himself. I'm just thoroughly impressed, not only with the 110 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 2: quarterback but with the person. 111 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: That's a good way to put it, man. I was 112 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: watching it, and I was thinking, I agree with everything 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: that you said. There A couple other things along with 114 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: Hurtz was it's a combination of playing with some urgency. 115 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: Like there's urgency where he's playing faster to your point, 116 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: like he's sped up a little bit, but he doesn't 117 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: feel like he's doesn't feel like it's sped up on 118 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: and all he kind of knows like they leaked the 119 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: tight end out on one. He's patient when he needs 120 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: to be patient. He sits, lets that stuff develop and 121 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: gets it. But then he gets free runners and he 122 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: can play with urgency without panic and then make something 123 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: that makes something good happen there. It's just a poise. 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: I just keep if you're trying to like sum it 125 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: all up into one thing, I just go back to 126 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: the guy. He's just got tremendous poise, man, And that's 127 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: been that to me is what stands out the most 128 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: about what he's doing. 129 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: But I was with you, I was. 130 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: Watching that, going is Dickerson. Maybe I saidant paid as 131 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: much attention to him because I thought the center played well, 132 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: and I was gonna it was one of the points 133 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: I was going to bring up because I wanted to 134 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: ask you about that because I Jurgen's coming out and 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: it was easy to see this is their style of center. 136 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: This is Kelsey like the way that he plays in 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: leverage and movement and all that stuff. I wanted to 138 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: ask you about that. But while I was watching him, 139 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, God, Diggerson's just playing straight up and down. 140 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: He looks so stiff. But the injury there makes sense. 141 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: Mike, he had a bunch of knee stuff coming out. 142 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: We had to do not draft great on him from 143 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: our medical knee stuff. He also has a back stuff 144 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: right now. It's something to keep an eye on. He's 145 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: limited again, didn't practice yesterday. So losing mckuy beckton, you know, 146 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: bringing another different guard in on the right side and Steam, 147 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: there's some changes to that old line and it's gonna 148 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: be interesting to see where they go from here. Obviously, 149 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: I think they're the thing they have that helps them 150 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: as much or more than any team in the league 151 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: is they have one of the best coaches maybe in 152 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: offensive line history and Jeff Stollin and he'll figure it out. 153 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: You know, I'm glad you brought up just out because 154 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: one thing that stood up to me Last year when 155 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: the Jaguars went to Philly to play, I had a 156 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: chance to see the Eagles operating pregame, and Mike, if 157 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: you've never seen if you're a person who is in 158 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: the ball, but if you've never. 159 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: Seen the Philadelphia Eagles work out, it is a practice 160 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: for a game. And when I mean a practice, there 161 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: are what we call no burger eaters on that team. 162 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: Everybody's working, everybody's getting ready, and if you're inactive, then 163 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: you go put on your sweats and silent. But you 164 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: don't do that, and so you do put in a 165 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: good day's work. Mike, have you ever seen anything like that? 166 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: And if you got back in the league, would that 167 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: be something that you would be all about when it 168 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: came to telling your coaches, Hey, this is how we 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: get down. 170 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 4: You know. 171 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: Balkutt's a great point, and I've seen it. I've seen 172 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: it a bunch of times game days, I've seen non 173 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: game days. I when I go to an Eagle practice, 174 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: I make sure I get out for the field early 175 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: just to go watch Stout work with his guys. And 176 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: you know, there's Lane Johnson about one hundred and four 177 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 2: years old, and he's over there and they're working hard 178 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: twenty five minutes before practice even arts. You know, it's 179 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: just bucky. I think it's one of it. It's it's 180 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: it's a point like there are certain ways that what 181 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 2: frustrates me a little bit about the NFL is there's 182 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: certain ways to do things right. Everybody wants to do 183 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: it this way, you know. I think Howie Roseman does 184 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: it his way. I think Jeff Stotlin does it his way. 185 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: I think the Eagles are always kind of pushing at 186 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: the edges to find better ways to do things. And 187 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: I think anybody that wants to like their offensive line 188 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: works up a frothing. They're ready to go. 189 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: They're like a fight of sparring before event. I mean, 190 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I've never seen anything like. 191 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just not lean, they're not just leaning on 192 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 2: each other. They're getting after each other. And so when 193 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: that first snap comes, it's not like they're waiting to 194 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: be hit. I mean, they've already been hit and they're 195 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: good to go. I they they're really impressive. That's why 196 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: I kind of brought up the old line today with 197 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 2: you guys on the overview of the game. You know, 198 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: you get a couple of personnel changes. I was surprised 199 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: that tackles had some bad reps. I also, I think 200 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: should give some credit to Dallas. I thought Dallas is 201 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: probably better than I thought. I thought they played their 202 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: tails off, and I think week one to week two 203 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: is a chance to take a step back and go, Okay, 204 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: you know, the bullets are real. We saw some things. 205 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: Now we can fix them. Coming into week two, you 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: got Kansas City staring in your face, and that's a 207 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: whole different conversation. 208 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: That's where I want to go, Mike. I want to 209 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: kind of get to each side of the ball. You know, 210 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: when they're going to be facing each other, So what 211 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: kind of bounce between the Eagles and the Chiefs. But 212 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: on that last point, to wrap that up, it wasn't 213 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: only Hurts who was able to have a couple Houdini escapes. 214 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: Barkley was able with some clean runners at him to 215 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: be able to turn two three yard tackle for loss 216 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: into seven eight yard games, which is some freaky stuff. 217 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Like you played game of tag in the NFL. Jalen 218 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: Hurts and Saquon Barkley would be top five picks. Just 219 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: I don't know they could. They don't get a hand 220 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: on them. They got free, free, free lane, free run 221 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: at him. But going over the chief side of things this, 222 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: I watched the tape and then I went back and 223 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: looked at all the analytics on it, and this is 224 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: why what does that phrase trust but verify? You know, 225 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: like you see, you see some numbers. You can't always 226 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: just take the numbers for what they are. So watching 227 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: that game live, I thought, you know, and doing all 228 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: these Charger games this as well, this is some of 229 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: the cleaner pockets that Justin Herbert's ever had the luxury 230 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: of throwing from offensive line played great, all played great. 231 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: He was a lockdown left tackle. The whole group played really, 232 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: really well, and they used the tight ends smartly with 233 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Disley who can block, and Matt Locke came in there 234 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: and helped out both the backs. Chargers sneakily have two big, 235 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: physical pass protecting backs now with Hampton as well as 236 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: with Nijie Harris. So that was my takeaway. Then I 237 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: went and watched the tape and I'm like, yeah, you know, 238 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: they did play really well up front. Then I looked 239 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: at the analytics. I said, you know what, the Chiefs 240 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: the only time they got him, Trinkle had two sacks. 241 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: It's when Spags had to really he had to get 242 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: over aggressive and send bodies to get home because they're 243 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: not getting there with four. So then I go pff ultimate. 244 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: I pull up four man rush and it's like twenty 245 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: eight rushes and they had fourteen pressures and I'm like, 246 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: there's no way, on God's green Earth there's fourteen pressures. 247 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: So I go back and watch those plays and it's like, 248 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, get to the top of your drop, hitch, hitch, 249 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: nothing there, nothing there. Herbert takes off to run and 250 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: maybe carloftis like touches him on the way to like 251 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: a three, And I'm like, so that's a pressure. Like 252 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: so that's why it was a good lesson. Never just 253 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: take those numbers for you know, face value there. 254 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: Now, I it's really intriguing because I do some work 255 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: for Sumer Sports where I grade, which is an analytically 256 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: driven football company. Okay, I grade college kids. I do 257 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: some NFL tape. So we have a whole bunch of 258 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: former scouts putting grades in on players. But for instance, 259 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: just to give you the I'm amazed where this whole 260 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: thing's going. Every NFL team has an analytics department that 261 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: seems to double by size every year. Okay, just from 262 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: a coaching helping coaches perspective, I had this what they 263 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: call the sumer Brain, which is their aipiece. I posed 264 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: a question to it and said, this is a couple 265 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: of weeks ago. Use Tampa Bay's defense in the last 266 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: four regular season games as your basis, and draw up 267 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: a scouting report based on what their fronts were, their coverages, 268 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: break them out by percentage, and what kind of success 269 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: run versus pass at each level on first, second, and 270 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: third downs. Break all that out. And I posed this 271 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: long question to AI, which would have taken two quality 272 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: control guys to sixteen hour days to do. Right, you 273 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: guys have all been there grinding that tape. Ninety seconds later, 274 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: it spits out every front, every coverage, all the percentages. 275 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: Now I don't know if it's all correct or not, 276 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: because garbage in, garbage out. I don't know who put 277 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: all the fronts and coverage of stuff, because I don't 278 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: know about you. But when I watch a film. I 279 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: got to watch a tape back five six times sometimes 280 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: on some of these coverages right the quarter, quarter, half quarters, 281 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: how they plan it anyway ninety seconds. So from a 282 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: coaches perspective, if you have this at your fingertips, think 283 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: about how more efficient you can be during a game week. 284 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: You can download all that stuff immediately. It's just but 285 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: to your point, DJ, without kind of the human eye 286 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: verifying the information. It's buyer beware is the way I 287 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: look at it, and it's just kind of an add 288 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: to the other information that you have already. 289 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 4: You know, may' let's talk about the defense the Eagles. 290 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: The Eagles got younger, right, so Brandon Graham goes away, 291 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: they trade away, and so now they're relying on a 292 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: bunch of young players. It's unfortunate that Jayalen Carter decided 293 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: to take himself out of the game by. 294 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: Doing something silly and those things. 295 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: But I kind of want to talk about that because 296 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: when they turned over a bit of their roster, they 297 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: did basically entrust some of the leadership responsibilities to one 298 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: of the young best players in Jalen Carter. So one 299 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: coming out, do you think he's ready to be the 300 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: point on the sword for the Eagles. And two, what 301 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: do you think about that front line with all their 302 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: youth and talent that they have along those that front I. 303 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: Think sometimes we put too much on young talented players 304 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: as quote leaders, and not everybody's a leader. And it's 305 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: okay to be a great football player without being a leader. 306 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: It's okay, you know. But I think, you know, there's 307 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: great all these silly sound bites I hear all the time, 308 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: you know, and you know, Michaeh. Parsons is going to 309 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: bring along van Ness, Lucas van Ness, and like Michaud, 310 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: do your job and everybody will be better. We're good, 311 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: you're twenty six. You just got to a new team. 312 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: I don't think Jalen Carter is a leader in a 313 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: good way. I think I think Jalen Carter is a handful, 314 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: always has been, probably always will be. But his physical 315 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: ability dwarfs everything else. Okay, so you called it. I 316 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: mean he did a dumb thing, and so my takeaway 317 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: is he's still immature. It's not a leadership thing for him. 318 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: And the second takeaway is that Jomo and Davis both 319 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: played close to ninety percent of the defensive snaps at 320 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: defensive tackle, and that's unfair to them, and it was 321 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: because of an unselfish act by Carter. So at the 322 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 2: end of the day, Carter still has a lot of 323 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: growing up to do, but that doesn't mean I don't 324 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: think he's a great football player and is one of 325 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: the top three or four into your players in this league. 326 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: So in everything right on, I'm curious to see this 327 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: because when I watched this and I knew you were 328 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: coming on a lot of times we share it with 329 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: very similar take on players and what we enjoy what 330 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: we watch. So I have someone who's established themselves as 331 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: my favorite player on this Eagles defense to watch, and 332 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to get say anymore. I've written it 333 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: down just I wanted to see what you watched in 334 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: just the style of which this guy I'm a huge fan. 335 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see Mike when you watch that tape, 336 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: who is a Mike Mayott guy watching that tape? 337 00:17:53,359 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: Well, number fifty three is ridiculous, Even saying he's ridiculous. 338 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: The play where he chased the guy down the running 339 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: back down in the third or fourth quarter from behind, 340 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: strip it and he caught it. He looks like he 341 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: was shot out of again and chases him down from 342 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: behind him trying to rip it out, and that play 343 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: set up the strip sack by Jahad Campbell picked up 344 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: by Quinnyon Mitchell, the only turnover of the game. If 345 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: Zach Bond doesn't chase that thing down, Eagles probably lose. 346 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: I'm also a huge fan of this Cooper Degen Mmm, 347 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: he's probably the most the second most talented corner on 348 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: their roster, but they like him so much at Nickel. 349 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: I don't think that. I don't think Vic wants to 350 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: put him out wide, And I would also tell you 351 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure the answer out wide other than Cooper 352 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: dejen is on that roster. Yeah, Tory Jackson got torched. 353 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: I'm not sure they have an answer. 354 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: For not Cory and Bennett either, And it came in. 355 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: He also had a I mean the Eagles had seven 356 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: defensive penalties of the nine, you know, in addition to 357 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 2: Jaalen Carter, there were three defensive pass interference penalties. There 358 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: was a tawning penalty by Nolan Smith. There were two 359 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: unnecessary roughness penalties. I mean, Vick's got to get that 360 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: kind of reeled in, but DJ we went off target. 361 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 2: There did I did I hit either of your guys? 362 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: Nolan somebody. This is my theory. This is my theory 363 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: on Nolan Smith. Yeah, Nolan Smith. Somebody told him you're 364 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: six foot five, two hundred and eighty five pounds, and 365 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: he just believes it because he plays so much bigger 366 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: than he is. I could just watch him versus poets. 367 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if you're like a guard and you're watching 368 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: tape every week going like I didn't do I really 369 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: want to pull this week, This freaking four to four 370 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: missile just wants to take my head off every time 371 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: I go to try and pull him, and then he 372 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: just pressure after he gets into pads. He he must 373 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: have had five or six bull pressures where just taking 374 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: him right back to the quarterback. And I'm like, this 375 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: guy plays like he's two hundred and seventy five eight pounds. 376 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: You know why he does? In all honesty, you know, 377 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in Philly keeping an eye on him 378 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: every week. Last year, he didn't. He barely got in 379 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: a game for the first six, seven, eight weeks of 380 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: the season. Another reason why Vic Fangio called him out 381 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: every week, Like they get in a press conference and 382 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: every week the reporters would say, well, how come Nolan 383 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: Smith will isn't playing? He said, until he stops the run, 384 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 2: he's not getting on the field. And so the reason 385 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: he attacks the pullers the way he does, and he 386 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 2: does it every whether it's a tight end hard, it 387 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. And he closes down there. Excuse me, he 388 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: compresses those holes on the back side of that state. 389 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. So I think Nolan Smith is becoming one 390 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: of the better edge guys in the leg run in 391 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 2: pass and I think it's his natural ability. He's a 392 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: willingness to work and this old curmudgeon by the name 393 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: of Vic Fangio and Buck. 394 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: This is where the numbers come into play because I'm 395 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: watching this and I'm like, he's kind of he's dominating 396 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: up front, but he doesn't have any like wins. He 397 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of, you know, production to go 398 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: along with it. So then that's when like, I love 399 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: the win rate number and you go look at it. 400 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: For week one, I think he had like the fifth 401 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: or sixth highest win rate and I'm like, well, that's 402 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's just beating the crap out of 403 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: the guy over him. Every single snap. So I can 404 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: appreciate that, you know, but I want to go. 405 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: Back to the Vic Fangio thing, right because at a 406 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: time when the league is getting younger, Mike, I want 407 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 3: to lean into your experiences as a gentleman jan as 408 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: a player. 409 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 4: I still believe that old school works when it comes 410 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: to coaching. 411 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: So can you talk to me a little bit about 412 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: Fangio's way and the positive impact has had. 413 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 4: On the defense. 414 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: Buck Here's what I've learned. I'm sixty when I'm sixty 415 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: seven years old now and I've been around it my 416 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: whole life. And here's what I've learned is that players 417 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: very quickly figure out which coaches can help them become 418 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: better players and help them become better teams on a 419 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: quest for a Super Bowl. So they quickly figure it out, 420 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: can this guy help me or not? And if he 421 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 2: can't help them, and it doesn't matter whether the guy's 422 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: thirty two or Vix my age, he's like you were 423 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 2: the same. I think he's sixty seven. I mean, if 424 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: the sixty seven year old can help you, they're all in. 425 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: And what really helps Vic and I think all these 426 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 2: guys is when you're honest with players They might not 427 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: always like it, but they respect it. I think there's 428 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: a tendency with too many coaches these days n gms 429 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, to kind of sugarcoat things 430 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: and say to a player, well, you know, don't worry, 431 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: just keep working. You'll play it. You know you're gonna 432 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: play soon next week. Then the player goes, well, why 433 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: didn't I play next week? And vic LuxI in the 434 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: ay and said, what'd you do in practice on Thursday 435 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: when that poller came out? Did you attack them? No, 436 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: you're not playing? And Buck I just I'm with you. 437 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: I think there's an old school respect that really matters, 438 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: even if you're twenty one years old. And I think 439 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: players figure it out real quickly. 440 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: I want to get back to Kansas City, Mike. We 441 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking a little bit about to me 442 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 1: defensively with them, they got to figure out a way 443 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: to get home without having to send a bunch of 444 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: guys like that's something to keep an eye with them. 445 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: But then flip it over to the offense. Is someone 446 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: who's the GM in that division had to deal with them? 447 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: You know that's a it's a chore with mahomes, did 448 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: you guys have like Jordan rules Mahomes rules at all, 449 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: trying and slow them down. 450 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty much. There was a focus, especially 451 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 2: with the edge rushers, not to get up the field 452 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 2: further than Mahomes' depth. Yeah, and you know that's a 453 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: basic but when you play any quarterback that can step 454 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: up and go, like, the thing you hate the most 455 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: with any quarterback, but especially Patrick Mahomes, is when he 456 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: has the ability to step up either directly up into 457 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: the pocket or directly on an angle inside that defensive 458 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: end because now he can threaten run pass immediately. It's 459 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: not like he's running latterly away from the line of scrimmage. 460 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: It's like he's coming, stepping up and now it's like, okay, 461 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 2: what are your choices as a defense? You can defend. 462 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: You can defend these guys for six seconds perfectly, and 463 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: he's still going to find Kelsey on some kind of 464 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: weird route. Right. So the Kelsey thing was really brutal 465 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: because you trying to tell guys how to cover him 466 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: is unbelievable because they're innate. Feel for each other is 467 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: something like I've never seen The routes they run are 468 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 2: just you know, it's just they feel leverage, and they 469 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: both see it the same way. I think when when 470 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: I look at that team right now, I see a 471 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 2: couple of things on offense, like not a dynamic run team. 472 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: We're not last year, don't have a dynamic runner. I 473 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: think they averaged four yards of carry last year and 474 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: that was twenty eighth, twenty ninth in the league. Whatever. 475 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: So run game is not dynamic, hasn't been for a 476 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: year plus a week past game. When you lose Rashi 477 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: Rice and Xavier Worthy, now you're fighting for pass game. Also, 478 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: you know, so is Kelsey the same guy. We're going 479 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 2: to figure that out. It puts an awful lot of 480 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: press and a revamped left side of the offensive line, 481 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: which will continue to get better. But it puts an 482 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 2: awful lot of pressure on the quarterback, and I think 483 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: it did last year. And I'm not talking about quote 484 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 2: external pressure. I'm just talking about pressure to produce, right buck. 485 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't have a dynamic run game 486 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: and you're struggling to throw the ball, it comes down 487 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: to your all world quarterback to stand on his head 488 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: and win games. 489 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 3: Look, it's funny because we talked about it being a 490 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 3: quarterback driven league. 491 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: And it is. 492 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: But the league is cyclical and it's coming back to 493 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: where the running game is still important. The only way 494 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: to get people out of these two high looks you 495 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: have to be able to run it and run it effectively. So, Mike, 496 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 3: now that we're kind of talking about lack of a 497 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: dynamic runner for Kansas City, where do we value running backs? 498 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 3: DJ and I always have this conversation, like, if your 499 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: team is ready to win, then you can invest in 500 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,160 Speaker 3: a running back, but if your team is not, you're 501 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 3: almost wasting carries. 502 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: How do you view the value of the running back 503 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 4: position in today's game? 504 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: Real? Simply, when when I took the Raiders job, the 505 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 2: first the first clip of tape, I took the John 506 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: Gruden and it was two days into being there was 507 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: seven plays from Josh Jacobs at Alabama. Because I knew 508 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: what John liked in running backs and I knew how 509 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: he matched up, and so the way I look at 510 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 2: the running back position in general, and I said this 511 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: way before last year when running backs, you know, started 512 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: to get some accord. But if you're a difference maker 513 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: in any position, I'm all in. I don't care. If 514 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: you're a guard, I don't care if you're an off 515 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: the ball linebacker, and I certainly don't care if you're 516 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: a running back. If you're a I do believe to you, 517 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 2: which is what I think you guys are arguing about. 518 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: I do believe that there's the supply and demand part 519 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: of our league. At the running back position. There's more 520 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: more quality supply maybe than any other position, which is 521 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: why they've been underpaid. Historically. You can always find a 522 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: running back that's good enough. We found a running back 523 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: off a practice squad one year and he had one 524 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 2: hundred yards in the game for us. The week later, 525 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 2: it was Dayton Barber, if I remember. 526 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 4: So. 527 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: You could always find a running back. But if he's special, 528 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: why not take him in the first round? Why not 529 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: pay Darrick Henry at age thirty? If he's special. I'm 530 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: all in. That's kind of the way I look at 531 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: the running back position. I know you can get a 532 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: bunch of guys at different times, but I'm all in 533 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: on the special guy at every position. 534 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking in that vein about the Seattle 535 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: San Francisco game last week earlier in the week, and 536 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: just if you just looked at the whole roster, you're 537 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: like man, Seattle's got a better roster. They're deeper, they're young, 538 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: or they're faster. But San Francisco, even though their depth 539 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: has been hit, you know, with the losses over the years, 540 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: they still had those four five star players and those 541 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: it was Christian McCaffrey on fourth down, it was Bosa 542 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: finished in the game with a sack. So it's like 543 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: to me, you get away from the position thing just 544 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: you got to have a handful of those blue blue 545 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: level players, those big time impact guys. I want to 546 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: take a little bit of a left turn here, Mike, 547 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: because this has came up in a conversation I had 548 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: with a GM like two days ago, and I was 549 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: just curious if you had any experience with this or 550 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: if if you that's one of your thoughts on it. 551 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: So we were talking about indicators and how like run 552 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: past indicators and go back to when you and Bucky 553 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: were playing. You know, used to be able to say, Okay, 554 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: how is he how is you could find alignment? That's 555 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: maybe got to tell how's he setting is he set? 556 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: In light all those different things and what this GMA 557 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: told me, He said, look, we got a lot of 558 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: guys from Premier programs, you know, Georgia, Alabama, like big 559 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: time programs where they have these army of analysts that 560 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: that what they're doing is looking for these tells at 561 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: a level that we've never seen before, with trained eyes 562 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: knowing what to look for. And they joke around. They 563 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: use the phrase, I don't know if you guys use 564 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: it all. I talk about rabbits and birds, you know, 565 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: like if it's a if it's a run, it's a rabbit. 566 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: If it's it's a bird. And it said, these guys 567 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: coming from some of these programs have gotten so good 568 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: at that because of what they've been taught and learned 569 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: that it's been become a major advantage for them. And 570 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: I thought, well, how many NFL teams. What kind of 571 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: resources are they using, you know, because the college is 572 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: it's unlimited what they're able to do. 573 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and surely intriguing. I was a baseball player 574 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: and I and even in college, I remember if you're 575 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: on second base, I used to love seeing what almost 576 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: going on with the catcher signs and if you could 577 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: figure it out. You know, we used to have a system. 578 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 2: You know, I've left arm up. It was fastball right 579 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: arm like you're taking a lead and you put the 580 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: left arm out or the right arm out off speed, 581 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: you know, and if you if you had a tell, 582 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 2: it made things a hell of a lot easier as 583 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: a header, which is no different than a left tackle 584 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: against an edge rusher if there's a tell, right. So, 585 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: I have no doubt the colleges are doing that. I 586 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: have not heard much about that at. 587 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: The end of I happen either at the NFL level. 588 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: That's why I was like, I'm missing something there. 589 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: I think we probably there probably is some of the 590 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: better coaches that have a quality control guy that sees 591 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: something occasionally. But I don't think there's an army of 592 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: guys working at it like the college guys. No. 593 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: But the funny thing is, like you talk about an 594 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: army guys working at it. Old school football, that was 595 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: always a big thing that was discussed in meeting rooms 596 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: amongst players, where you talk about, hey, this guy sets light. 597 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 3: Every time we look. This guy lines up here, he 598 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 3: rubs his hands, is high probability of a route coming 599 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: his way. I think some of the gamesmanship has been 600 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 3: lost a little bit in our league, and sometimes it 601 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 3: happens when you have young players in it. But DJ 602 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: I don't know why a team witning a sign a 603 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 3: handful of dues to just kind of go through and 604 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: look at the regular tape and the TV copy to 605 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: see if they can just well, something that can help 606 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: a player make a play, get a jump. 607 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: On something, you know. Buck. The TV copies are so good, 608 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: especially the national games with all the cameras that I 609 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: kind of agree with that. It's I'd be surprised if 610 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: there isn't more of that going forward. 611 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that to me is where I'm assigning 612 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: my army of people if I'm the NFL, I'm saying, hey, 613 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: let's get the get that sound from the TV copy 614 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and see if we can't 615 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: pick something up that can help us. 616 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: Now, there's definitely some of that, I can confirm. There's 617 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: definitely some of that the coaching staffs as far as 618 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: the audio from the TV copies and trying to pick 619 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: up something. And the funny thing is with ball is 620 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: that you and I. I mean, it's funny when you 621 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: hear offensive linemen. You can go to any team in 622 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 2: the league. Guys all we've been at all thirty two 623 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: places and you pretty much what what's Leo mean, yeah, left, 624 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: we're sliding left. You know what's Roger mean we're slide 625 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: and right? What does what does Lippy mean we're sliding left? 626 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: What does Rachel mean we're sliding right? 627 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: We forgot ripping Liz Mike don't. 628 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: Is the most basic. I mean, John John Gruden used 629 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: to have on our wall in the team room. We 630 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: used to have pictures up of all like he was 631 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: the most creative, offensive guy I think I've ever met. 632 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: And he used to have checks that were bizarre, like 633 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: he's Cindy Gruden. Cindy Gruden, which is his wife, you know, 634 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: And and I forget what it was, but it was 635 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: a catchy one, like he said it in front of 636 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: the Hey, Sidney Gruden, She's a blah blah blah blah chick, 637 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: and everybody laughed and thought it was funny. But every 638 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 2: time Durk Carr said Sidney Gruden, they knew what it 639 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: meane it was, you know. And I remember one time 640 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: he had like who was it? It was like I 641 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 2: want to say Jackie Robinson or Louke you know something. 642 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 2: And because he was a right handed hitter, and I'm like, 643 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, coach, none of these guys, know, Mickey Mannle 644 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: and Jackie Robinson, You like, you gotta get a little 645 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: you know. He would he would do the singers that 646 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: he liked from the seventies. I'm like, coach, you got 647 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: to get into some of the pop I mean, some 648 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: of the culture from now if you're going to use it. 649 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: So Gruden was amazing. He really had a lot of 650 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 2: creative ways to couch his terms. But it's an interesting question. 651 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: Guys right, the right and left Buck Also, I don't 652 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: remember where I was, but I remember one point time 653 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: they were trying to do cities, so it was left coast, 654 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, west coast, east coast. I remember saying Seattle, 655 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: and it is one of the guys looking around like 656 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: he couldn't tell you if Seattle was in Maine. Of course, 657 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: Seattle is in the left side of the country. Like, 658 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: I probably should ditch that. Let's just go with the 659 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: Ringo Lucky. Let's know. Uh, hey, Mike, this has been awesome, man. 660 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: Last thing before we let you run here? What have 661 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: you been cooking on? 662 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: Man? 663 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: I know everybody that you know, You've got a massive 664 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: amount of people that have followed you for so many years. 665 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: By the way, thank you for taking that job with 666 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: the Raiders. It was good for the They paid for 667 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: a lot of college tuition over at the Jeremiah House, 668 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. Well, how how the heck are 669 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: you have you been and what have you been up to? 670 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: Private school too, Mike? I appreciate that. 671 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: DJ. I'm happy to take all the book for you. 672 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 2: I think your kids could go to good schools. Very 673 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: happy for you. 674 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, I get to sweat your maybe like a 675 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: bumper sticker. You know, Baylor Dad, just cross it out 676 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: and say Baylor uncle. 677 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. My wife calls the GM years the presidential years 678 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 2: because she said I look seven years older for every 679 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 2: one year. I was like, thanks, Hn, appreciate it. Yeah. 680 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 2: I'll be doing some Westwood games. My schedules typically back ended. 681 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: I get a couple of playoff games. I'll do six 682 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: or seven games, probably between Thanksgiving and divisional round of 683 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: the playoffs. So that keeps me watching pro tape, which 684 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: I like. I'm grading college kids for summer sports, so 685 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: that keeps me watching, you know, the college tape. I 686 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 2: watched that defensive tackle from Clemson yesterday who's pretty freaking good, 687 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, easy ever get his name Peter Woods something. 688 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: What's that Peter Woods? 689 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, yeah, I mean so the good thing for 690 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 2: me is I like staying current, and I feel like 691 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: I'm fairly current on both the NFL and the college stuff. 692 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: So I like that. I like to be able to 693 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: come on a show if you guys guys and not 694 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: really know what you're gonna ask me about. And if 695 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: we want to talk about the you know, the Ravens 696 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 2: game the other night, I can talk about it. If 697 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: we're gonna if we're going to talk about the kid 698 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: from Clemson, I can talk about it. You know. I 699 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: just like to be involved with guys like you. Both 700 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 2: of both of you guys love ball and you do 701 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 2: it the right way. And that's why I love to 702 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: be able to talk ball with guys like you. 703 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, normally Buck Mike sends me a text message of Hey, 704 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: these are the three topics I'm comfortable with. They have 705 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: to be on these three topics. I can't go beyond that. 706 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: There are people that do that. By the way, Mike 707 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: is Mike is. It's like being out in the prairie. 708 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: We can go wherever the heck we want to talk 709 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: about whatever the heck we want. So it's been Thank 710 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: you guys. Mike, you're the best buddy. I appreciate you, man, 711 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: and uh, we'll see you soon. I how are we golfing? 712 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: By the way, is how's our I'm getting worse. I'm 713 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: finding out I'm getting worse with this whole soccer. 714 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 2: You a golfer. I play. 715 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't play well enough to like become fanatical about 716 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 3: it like DJ, but I do enjoy when I'm knocking 717 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 3: it around a little bit. 718 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a game that can get get in 719 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 2: your blood a little bit because like I felt like 720 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: every game I ever played I was pretty good at 721 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: and golf I suck and it tried me a wall. 722 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: He's been my he's been my therapist buck anytime. I've 723 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,879 Speaker 1: probably not even lying no less than five conversations leaving 724 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: the golf course because Mike has been a good encouragement 725 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 1: to me. And I'm like, I'm gonna quit. This sucks. 726 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: I stopped, and He's like, just hang with it, Just 727 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: hang with that. Yeah, very encouraging. 728 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 2: Misery loves company. 729 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. All right, Mike, You're the best buddy. Appreciate you. 730 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: Thanks fellas,