1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna use these random like government condoms. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I'm gonna use the condom, I'm using one. Yeah, 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna share that lamb myself making sour dough. During 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Other people just started making their own condoms. 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of lamb skins hanging out in 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: my yard, and as soon as they dry, Papa's gonna 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: give something. Crop chips in yours are racist money stuff. 8 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I can't tell me. Yup, yup, yup. There it is 9 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: there it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another spectacular 10 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: episode of My Mama Told the podcast where we dive deep, 11 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we 12 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: finally work to prove that Boosey Badass is only pretending 13 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: to be this homophobic so that people don't look up 14 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: how tall he is. That motherfucker is five ft six, 15 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: and he wants those Google searches to go way down 16 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: in in search so that it's just homophobic stuff and 17 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: you don't know that he's borderline a little person. That's 18 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: that's the conspiracy theory I'm spreading today. I'm your host 19 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: Lenksen and kermy as always, I'm coming in hot. I'm excited, 20 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: what a what a great time we're having here today 21 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: because my guest, My guest is not five six. I 22 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: know that for a fact. He is much taller than 23 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: five foot six. And he's much funnier than Boosey bad 24 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: Is that. These are facts that I know a hundred 25 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: percent out into world. He's hilarious. You know him from 26 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: his his show on HBO called Problem. You know from 27 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: his comedy specials So funny. To give it up for 28 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: my guess, Mr Wyatt Sina, thank you very much, thanks 29 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: for having me. Hell yeah, yeah, thank you. I feel 30 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: like any any compliment that is he is better than 31 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: Booty Badass. It feels like it's a good that's a 32 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: good intro for anything for anyone that's that's the barometer 33 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: that you want to set, is better than Boosty at 34 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: I just I look, the best jumping off start, the 35 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: way to begin is just to say better than Boosty 36 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: and then you can prove your worth from that point forward, 37 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? No, I think I 38 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: think even if you've got some kind of a hot take, 39 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: I think you could still come out with your hot 40 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: take and be like it's not gonna be as bad 41 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: as Booty, and people be like, okay, will we'll hear you? 42 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: Well listen, We're yeah, is better than boozy. You said 43 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: you've told us where the floor is, and you're saying 44 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: you're not the floor. All right, Okay, well we'll entertain it, 45 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: all right. I want to get into your conspiracy theory 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: because you you came to me with a conspiracy theory 47 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: that I truly had never heard of before, or at 48 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: least there are elements that I had heard of before, 49 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: but not this specific story. And I think that this 50 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: is a really exciting one, really interesting one, brand new 51 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: to me. So I can't wait to talk about it. 52 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: You said, my mama told me, and I'm gonna make 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: this a little coded, but you said, my mama told 54 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: me the legend of c J nobody. Yeah. Yeah, So 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: this was a very regional conspiracy theory. This was something 56 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: I grew up in Dallas, Texas, and I was in 57 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: high school in Dallas around the time that the story 58 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: of c J grabs attention in Dallas and maybe outside 59 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: of Dallas. And the story goes there was a local 60 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: radio station K one oh four. Uh sorry, did that? 61 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: I got an email. I thought I put my thing 62 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: on do not disturb. I didn't hear anything. Okay, so 63 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: then let me start over. Justin enjoy trimming that up. Yeah, justin, 64 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: you idiot, you got more work to do. See how 65 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: why why it doesn't respect you either? Justin? No, justin now, jeez, 66 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: that was not the case at all. I have a 67 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: lot of respect for you. Uh you know, you came on, 68 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: I saw your face. We didn't actually say hello to 69 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: one another, so there was a tension there. But you 70 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 1: know it's not on my side. I appreciate your work. 71 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: I think you've really great at what you do. I think, 72 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: if anything, you're probably being undervalued and underpaid, both you 73 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: and Olivia. I feel like this is maybe the opportunity 74 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: to talk about maybe restructuring your contracts. I would port 75 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: you if you need to do a walkout and take 76 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: to the streets. I'm not where you are, because I'm 77 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: assuming you are are in California. I'm not there, but 78 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: I stand with you virtually, and that's what means the most, 79 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: I think is the virtual standing with you. That's what's 80 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, it's all the it's all the likes, that's 81 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: all we run on a like economy. Now, baby so 82 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: c J. SO c J was one of those things 83 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: that maybe it was just a regional thing to Dallas, 84 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: maybe it expanded beyond Dallas. But when I was in 85 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: high school, there was a local radio station K one 86 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: oh four, and this woman called the radio station. She 87 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: said her name was c J. And she said she'd 88 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: been infected with HIV and she didn't know she had 89 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: sex with her, She had sex with her boyfriend or 90 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: her husband. She got AIDS and as a result, she 91 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: was then she made it her miss her. She made 92 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: it her mission to try to infect as many black 93 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: men as she could with AIDS. And so she was 94 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: going out to nightclubs and she was, at least on 95 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: the radio, she's saying she's headed out to nightclubs. She's 96 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: having unprotected sex with as many black men as she can, 97 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: with the idea that if she's going to die of AIDS, 98 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: that she wants to take as many black men with 99 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: her as she could. Mm hmm. Now, a few important 100 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: details were just for people to to catch up on 101 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: this story, and that granted, you probably know this story 102 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: far better than I do. I've just been reading about 103 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: it recently. But One of the things that that at 104 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: least I read that got mentioned was the fact that 105 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: her in fact or was a white bisexual man. That 106 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: that that at least that was her original claim, was 107 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: that a white bisexual man who she had some version 108 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: of a relationship with infected her and then she subsequently 109 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: decided to go out and in fact a bunch of 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: black men, and nobody ever really explained the math in 111 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: between of why she went from white man two black 112 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: men in her affecting. Yeah, there was something very odd. 113 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: I feel like I don't remember that aspect of the 114 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: story when it came out. I I remember hearing it 115 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: being talked about on the radio and just on the 116 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: way to school or anything like that, Like you're listening 117 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: to the radio and there would be please from DJ's 118 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: like c J called the station we want to talk, 119 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: and there was this thing of like radio d j's 120 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: sort of turning into like quasi like therapists or something 121 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: like that, where they're like they're trying to stop her 122 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: and they seem to be you. The one conduit is 123 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: like the morning Zoo person. And this Dallas at a 124 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: time when Steve Harvey was a radio DJ in Dallas 125 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: at this time, but you had Yeah, DJ is trying 126 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: to reach her where it feels like you all aren't 127 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: equipped to do this. This is this is Smokey and 128 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: the Toilet Band. We're asking to stop giving everybody a like, bro, 129 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: this isn't how that works. This weekend, we're having a 130 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: car wash, but next hopefully CJ is going to call 131 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: the station. You're listening to rest par in the morning. 132 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, there was a very strange thing that 133 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: it was happening on the radio. And also these aren't 134 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: people who know how to talk about this, and no 135 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: one knows how to talk about this at this time, 136 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: and so there's just this huge panic. And I just 137 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: I remember as a kid listening to the radio and 138 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: they're being the real sense of panic because it was 139 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: still it was still at a point in time when 140 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: AIDS wasn't dealt with with compassion, but with this ostracization, 141 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: ostra people were being ostracized, thank you, you know, people 142 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: being ostracized, they were being vilified. There was there were 143 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: laws in Texas. I remember that to knowingly give someone 144 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: AIDS you could be like arrested and charged for that. 145 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: And that's how it was. That's how I was being 146 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: treated as this thing of like how do we criminalize people? 147 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: How do we do all this? And so the idea 148 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: that all this is happening, and then this woman calls 149 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: the local radio station, and it's up to a bunch 150 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: of disc jockeys to be the ones to sort of 151 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: have the conversation both like, Okay, we want to t 152 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: to c J and talk to her about, hey, maybe 153 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: don't do this, but then also we maybe need to 154 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: have an educated conversation about AIDS and HIV and perhaps 155 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: trying to not demonize people for having AIDS or HIV. 156 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: But instead it's man, this sucks. We gotta do something. 157 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Let's get some sound effects. Sound effects will fix this, right, Hey, 158 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: you know nothing cares AIDS, like like just a Jamaican horn. Yeah, 159 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: I know that. I feel like I know this didn't happen, 160 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: but I feel like if that horn had followed every 161 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: time she called, it wouldn't have surprised me. It was 162 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: just like, wow, alright, that was really c J just 163 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: called the station and we had her. She said she's 164 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: not gonna stop what she's doing. It's really a scary time. 165 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: We want to remind people to be safe out there. 166 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: And before we go to commercial. Yeah, it's it feels 167 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: like to your point, this is not only a period 168 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: of of irresponsible conversations around HIV and AIDS, but it 169 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: also is a collection of the most irresponsible people to 170 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: be handling this very difficult conversation. And so subsequently, of 171 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: course c J is still going to be like going 172 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: out and doing whatever she was doing and if nothing else, 173 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: seeking attention for the thing that she's claiming to be doing. Yeah, 174 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that you the fact that you mentioned 175 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that it was a white guy that she got AIDS from. 176 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember that when it all happened. But the 177 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: fact that nobody, at least as far as I know, 178 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember a conversation that was Hey, c J, 179 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: you said a white guy gave this to you, and 180 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: now you're targeting black dudes. That feels really strange. Why 181 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: not that you should target anybody? And maybe what you 182 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: need to do is perhaps talked to a doctor or 183 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: a therapist or somebody like that who can kind of 184 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: talk to you about just that you can lead a 185 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: life that it's not. This is not the death sentence 186 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: that you seem to be making it out to be, 187 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: but that like none of that again, because it's sucking. 188 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Russ Par is having this conversation as he's like, and 189 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: now another one of my Bobby Jimmy and the Cricket songs, um, 190 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: which if you don't know russ Bar and Bobby Jimmy 191 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: and the Crickets, that's a that's a great YouTube rabbit 192 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: hole to go down. I'm excited to find this out. 193 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: I have no idea, so side note, just a pin 194 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: and c J for a second. Russ Par was a 195 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: local Dallas DJ and russ Par was basically the black 196 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: weird Al Yankovic whoa yeah, like he made these songs. 197 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: He remember I don't know if you remember, you might 198 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: you might be too young for this, but our sineo 199 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: when Arsenio had his show, at some point, Arsenio started 200 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: doing this rat persona called Chunky A I do not 201 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: know about Chunky. So he did. He did, like all, 202 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: he made some music videos and stuff like that, but 203 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: all that stuff like russ parr was doing that type 204 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: of stuff too, And russ Bar had put out like 205 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: I think records, but he had music videos and he 206 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: would perform under this alias Bobby Jimmy and the Critters 207 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: and he did one song called hair or Weave, and 208 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: it was there was like a there's a song where 209 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: like the I can't remember who did the song, but 210 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: it was like the chorus of it was like do 211 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: you really want him? Or do you really want me? 212 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: And he took that song and made a song called 213 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: hair or Weave and the whole chorus like hair or 214 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: we've hair or we've but yeah, so, and let me 215 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: say that that that really is a shame that Rust 216 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: Part didn't get more national attention that that became some 217 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: localized conversation, because I would have really enjoyed russ Par 218 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: in my youth. You sounds like a funny fucking guy 219 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: for a fourteen year old who needs some stuff to 220 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: look up exactly. No, that's exactly who Rustpar was. And 221 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: rust Part did he wind up making movies? And I 222 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: think he's I think Kevin Hart was, Like some of 223 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Hart's first movies were Rust Part productions. Well yeah, yeah, 224 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: so there is like this like comedy lineage that you 225 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: could maybe trace of. Okay, russ Par, They're they're definitely folks. 226 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: I think Kevin Hard. Yeah, I think his first maybe 227 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: his first couple of movies were like Russpard produced movies, 228 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: but the ones that looked like they were shot on 229 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: camp quarters in Parking, Yeah, where Kevin Hard maybe had 230 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: a small role in it. But if you were to 231 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: go look it up on iTunes, now he's the main 232 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: image that you see. For some reason, he's the cover 233 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: of the DVD. Yeah. Um, but yeah, but that that's 234 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: who's basically working in the radio station at the time 235 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: that c J is happening. And yeah, I just remember 236 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: as a kid again it was probably ninth or tenth grade, 237 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: and so yeah, there was this real fear of, oh, 238 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on in this city that 239 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: people were terrified, But there's also this like mystery of 240 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: everyone wanting to figure out who this person is because 241 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: she just went by her initials. She just went by 242 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: c J. And so it wasn't clear if c J 243 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: was like Katherine Johnson or if c J was her 244 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: for the name she went by as a first name, 245 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: and there was like and she was like c J. 246 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: Brown or something like that nobody knew. And so there 247 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: was also this aspect of it that was, oh, who 248 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: is this person? Is this somebody who goes to my church? 249 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: Is this somebody who it lives in my neighborhood. Do 250 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: they know my cousin R. And so there was this 251 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: real sense of just like I think, anxiety for people 252 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: in Dallas at that time. And yeah, you would listen 253 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: to it on the radio. And again I don't remember 254 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: somebody saying, you know what, let's also get a doctor 255 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: on the air. Let's this is maybe a doctor Drew situation. 256 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: Let's consult a medical professional before we dive into this 257 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: whole conversation. Yeah, and then at some point, I remember, 258 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: the cops got involved. And then yeah, the cops were like, okay, 259 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna look for the c J. And I remember 260 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: then on like the news, on local news, there were 261 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: stories about c J and somebody doing like an artist 262 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: or a police sketch of c J and like this 263 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: is what we think she looks like and just that 264 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: which then is just sort of ratcheting up people's anxiety 265 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: even more where it becomes okay, I did I see 266 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: that lady in the grocery store. Should I, as a 267 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: citizen stop this person or what? And and I mean Dallas, 268 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: Texas is also just such a everybody wants to be 269 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: a cowboy type of place that I think you have 270 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: these people who are like, well, yeah, if I see her, 271 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I'll stop her and whatever stopping her, Yeah, I'll shoot 272 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: her in the foot. Uh well, it's it's fascinating you 273 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: say all of that, because in reading some of the 274 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: articles that came out of this time, one of the 275 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: things that that the articles sort of talk about is 276 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: this increased tension that came across the city. But then 277 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: also like in a weird way, a level of responsibility 278 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: that kicked in. Were like suddenly men at nightclubs are 279 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: being much more wary of who they talked to and 280 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and like making sure that they're using protection for the 281 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: first time because they're scared of this sort of like 282 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: batman with a pussy that's out in the street, you 283 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: know what, just out haunting people with her her threat 284 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: of of HIV. And at that time, I mean, I 285 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: wonder in a weird way if you then sauh like 286 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: I feel like this is the conspiratorial part of me 287 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: where it then is like black men are just like, well, 288 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: fuck it, we just got a date. White ladies. Now 289 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: it is all the justification I was looking for. Black 290 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: women are dangerous, I got to go. This way turns 291 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: into this weird fearmongery thing of like, well that O J. 292 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: Simpsons right onto something. Let's go find a white lady. 293 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: What is the year that man his spot on? He's 294 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: never done anything wrong. Yeah, no, he's still he still 295 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: looks like a hero to a lot of people. I 296 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: think he's a year he's a year away. He's got 297 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: he's got one good year. And then you find out 298 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: exactly who that man is. Yeah, a guy who's trying 299 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: to solve a murder. He's still trying to solve a murder. 300 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw he did an interview recently. 301 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: Where did you see this? I don't think so. He 302 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: didn't interview recently. I believe with the Athletic where he 303 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: was sing how his life is now. And one of 304 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: the things he said is that he's uncomfortable going to 305 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Oh I did see this because he doesn't 306 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: know if he could be sitting next to the killer 307 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: in a restaurant. I'm uncomfortable going to l A because 308 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: they have so many mirrors in their restaurants. We did 309 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: a we did a an episode a while back on O. J. 310 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Simpson and I and you know, I don't know where 311 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: you sit in all of this. But I actually do 312 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: genuinely believe that his son was the one that killed 313 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: uh Nicole Brown Simpson and uh, you know, it's it's 314 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: a lot to explain, but I don't think that o 315 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: J was was innocent in this. I think he definitely 316 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: helped and was like a part of the thing, but 317 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that he was the actual like, uh 318 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: nice to chess guy if that makes sense. Um, yeah, 319 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: I feel like he did that ship. He did that ship. 320 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: I feel like, did you watch the ESPN the five 321 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: part documentary? Yes, I loved it so much. Yeah, I 322 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: feel like after watching that, I was like, Okay, I 323 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: never not that I had a question about whether or 324 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: not he did it, but there was just too much 325 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: of o J as a rage monster that made me think, Okay, yeah, 326 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: this feels like, this feels right in your wheelhouse of things. 327 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: You're a guy who likes to collect knives and can't 328 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: stop hitting people and hung out outside your ex wife's 329 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: house one night just to watch her have sex with 330 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: somebody and went or be a good dad or be 331 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: a good dad who knows? Yeah no, that's yeah, no, 332 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: I think that's that's also one thing we don't talk 333 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: about as much in like divorce proceedings, is you know 334 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: for each person when they split up that for the kids, 335 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense that even if mom or dad have 336 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: moved on, that they should still be in the room 337 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: and witness to the sex that their axes now having, 338 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: just to be in the room because for the kids, 339 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense that you know, mom and dad were 340 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: in the room when they had sex and had my 341 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: little brother or sister, they still need to be in 342 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: the room for the kids. I just sleep easier knowing 343 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: that my dad's stalking my mom and her new partner 344 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: as opposed to living independent and growing and making peace 345 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: with whatever became of their lives. Yeah. No, it should 346 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: be mandated that. Okay, well when years, if you have 347 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: kids then you split up. That Yeah, even though you're 348 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: not together anymore, whenever either of you is going to 349 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: have sex, the other one still need to be in 350 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: the room for the kids. Yeah, if you're wet, we're together. 351 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: That's those are the rules from now on. That just 352 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: it's it's just the right thing to do that. Yeah, 353 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: you're there. You don't have to participate. You can read 354 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: a book, you could coach from the sidelines. You could, 355 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: you could cheer root for or I guess just sit there. 356 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: Where did you learn how to do that? You weren't 357 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: doing that when we were married. Maybe would still be together. Boom, boom, 358 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: you're showing off. Boom. Let me ask you this about 359 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: the the c J nobody of it all. You you 360 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: are a young person at this point, You're not You're 361 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: not an adult. You're you're theoretically not one of c 362 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: J's targets at this age. Is there a fear amongst 363 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 1: your peer group? Is this like a talk that's happening 364 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: with y'all or is it more in relation to like 365 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: the adults around you that you're getting this in. No, 366 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: I think it was mostly from like peer group because 367 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: we all listened to the same radio station and that 368 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: became a topic of conversation because we were also at 369 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: that age where we were starting to think that we 370 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: might be having sex soon, and so there is this 371 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: element of wait a minute, we just got old enough 372 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: to start thinking about having sex, and now there's this 373 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: like the city's on some weird lockdown where like there's 374 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: a a woman going around trying to infect black men, 375 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 1: and so I think there was this genuine fear. I 376 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: think even among like black teenagers, where it was oh, fuck, 377 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: like if that's going on? Like because also I think 378 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: we all saw ourselves as like, I'm fifteen, I look 379 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: like a grown ass. May I walk into a nightclub? 380 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: And or how do I know this? CJ is not 381 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: gonna think look at these muscles? How she not? She 382 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: might be hanging out at the at the basketball court 383 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: and come on, dog, I grew two inches this year. 384 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a danger. Yeah, I got stuble. And 385 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: so I think there was that thing too that selfishly 386 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: there was this idea of like, well, yeah, maybe you know, 387 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: I think I think I can hang with an eighteen 388 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: year old, nineteen year old, twenty one year old shit, 389 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: like maybe if I can get into a nightclub. At 390 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: that age, I wasn't really I still looked like a boy, 391 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: so I it wasn't I had to grow a beard 392 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: to stop looking like a child. But but there was 393 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: that genuine, that genuine concern and worry I think among 394 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: my friends and myself that oh, well, if this is happening. Also, 395 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: if something like this is happening, is there are there 396 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: other people doing this and this is the person that 397 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: you hear about. And I think again, in that sort 398 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: of demonizing conversation, there's a part of that that's like, 399 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: this is the only story that we are hearing. The 400 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: only conversation that we are having in this moment about 401 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: AIDS in HIV is about this super villain going around 402 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: trying to like kill people through sex. We're not he 403 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: HIV that of uh, you know, actual experiences and people 404 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: learning to survive with a new disease that's sort of 405 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: like happening out in the world and having conversations about 406 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: trying to better understand it and de stigmatize it. Those 407 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: things aren't happening. The only conversation that's happening is the 408 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: jokers loose in the city, And so there is that 409 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: thing that's that's happening that it's very easy if that's 410 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: the only conversation that's happening for a conspiratorial mind. And 411 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: I would say that any fourteen or fifteen year old 412 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: boy is consport spiratorial by nature, but even anybody at 413 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: that time to then start thinking, well, CJ is the 414 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: one story we're hearing about. How many other c J's 415 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: are there, how many other people are doing that? And 416 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I think about you know from c J. It was 417 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: only a few years later when I was in college 418 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: that then I feel like you heard people, especially in 419 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: like the Atlanta area, start talking about the down low, 420 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: and there was the sort of fear mongering of the 421 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: down low, that that's happening. And so it feels like 422 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: those two things, it was a you could make a 423 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: very short leap from the fear that's happening with c J. Two, 424 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: what I remember seeing of the fear of the downlow, 425 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: which was every black man is now a threat of like, oh, 426 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: there are all these black men who may or you 427 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: know who maybe on the down low. And it was 428 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: a similar sort of witch hunt that was happening. And 429 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: and so I think about that, and I think about 430 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: with c J. I feel like at that time it 431 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: wasn't just that, oh my god, there's c J. It's 432 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: also there's c J, and there's maybe a hundred other 433 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: c js that aren't gone into radio stations. I think 434 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: one of the things that I read in sort of 435 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: like unpacking all of this is exactly that that there 436 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: becomes this massive fear that it isn't less people are 437 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: afraid of c J and more afraid of all of 438 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: like sort of the c J knockoffs, all the people 439 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: that c J has now inspired to take their HIV 440 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: out into the streets for vengeance. And then it to 441 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: your point, it evolves eventually, right like that becomes you. 442 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: You eventually are going to get tired of this news story. 443 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: Much like anything, be it be it COVID, be it 444 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the Zekea virus, whatever it is, It's not going to 445 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: be the hottest conversation at all times forever. And so 446 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: that evolution then becomes Oprah doing an entire episode about 447 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: men on the down low and how like they're secretly 448 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: having sex and then giving their partners the diseases from these, 449 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, the men that they have sex with even 450 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: though they don't want to identify as gay or whatever 451 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: it is. It becomes this complicated, just pokemon evolution of 452 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: backwards thinking that that continues to grow and spawn new 453 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: ugly shit for everybody involved. Yeah, well, because then it's 454 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: not just you. You started out you demonizing HIV and AIDS, 455 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: and then even with what you're saying as like a 456 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: white guy gave it to her and he was bisexual, 457 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: you now then start demonizing people who are bisexual, people 458 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: who are gay, so now there's a second demonization that's 459 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: happening that's like, okay, well if you're not straight, then 460 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with you. Two, And it goes it 461 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: feeds into that idea that you know, this was still 462 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: a time when people were like, well this, this AIDS 463 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: came from gay people, and that it was just like 464 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: a gay person's disease, and so you still had you 465 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: still had that going on. So you have two layers 466 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: of demonization that are happening where you need conversations with 467 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: care and compassion that are like, Okay, wait a minute, 468 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: maybe we need to destigmatize what like homosexuality or bisexuality 469 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: or sexuality in general. Maybe we need to have a 470 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: broader conversation about that. Oh you're not ready for that. Okay, well, 471 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: then we'll just keep scaring people. But also maybe we 472 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: should have a conversation about you know, HIV and AIDS 473 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: and just diseases in general and healthcare. Nope, you're not 474 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: ready for that. Okay, will just keep scaring all right. 475 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: You just want to live in a fair society, Okay, cool? Alright, 476 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: well here's the scarecrow. We don't have any batman. We 477 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: just have a lot of scarecrows. They letn't look under 478 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: your bed. There's a gay AIDS monster there, and uh, 479 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: he don't like you. He's not gonna go well for you. Yeah, 480 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: that's candy Man. One of those the last little bits 481 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: that I think we should cover before we jump into break. 482 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting, in particular, given the 483 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: time period and the circumstances of all of this, is 484 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: that c J never is number one verified to to 485 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: be the person that she's claiming to be, but number two, 486 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: they never proved that this lady in fact does even 487 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: have HIV or eight. She's not. There's no blood tests, 488 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: there's no verification of this. It's just a person calling 489 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: a radio station saying a thing and then turning a 490 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: city upside down as a result of the wild things 491 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: she decided to say. Yeah, there's not like ten dudes 492 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: who just came like on the news and they were like, 493 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: oh yeah, we all had sex with c J. And 494 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: they like they like you would think, okay, yeah are 495 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: there Where are the people that she had sex with 496 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: who have now contracted AIDS? And why are we not 497 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: telling their stories? And also now are they as some 498 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: sort of retribution? Like are they doing some similar things 499 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: to c J. And and that's where I do remember, 500 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: and I feel like there were times where in the 501 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: conspiratorial nature of things, people wondered, is this bullshit? Is 502 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: this a hoax? Is this you know? It was very 503 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: easy for it to turn into this thing of well, 504 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: maybe this is just some ship that like is coming 505 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: from like the churches or something like that, like this 506 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 1: is all like this is all the Black Church and 507 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: the Black Church, Bill Cosby and Oprah have all come 508 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: together and their secret the Black Illuminati, have decided to 509 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: get all of us to put on condoms because those 510 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: TLC videos weren't working. Uh, everybody was just putting condoms 511 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: over there and left eyes. They weren't putting them on 512 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: their dicks. And this kind of my patch can't convince 513 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: them that we're gonna need a massive conspiracy theory. Yeah, 514 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: and so I think so there was I think to 515 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: your point, because no one was seeing or hearing anything 516 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: other than c J. Yeah, there was this aspect of 517 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: it where I think, like anything, uh, you know, and 518 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: you have the people that are very quick to say, well, 519 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: hold on a second, this is bullshit. But then it's 520 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: not enough that it becomes bullshit. It's well, then why 521 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: would somebody be doing this? Well, you know, I think 522 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: she wrote a letter to Ebony Magazine and maybe this 523 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: was maybe this was somebody at Ebony Magazine, which was 524 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: the black illuminati at a at a time. And it's like, yeah, 525 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Ebony Magazine, maybe it's just one of their own people 526 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: who wrote this letter. And then like and this is 527 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: all just being engineered by Ebony Magazine to sell Magnum 528 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: condoms because you know that Robert Johnson has a stake 529 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: in Magnum condoms because his last name is Johnson. And 530 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: what do you call it, dick? You call it a Johnson. 531 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: You know that nigga making that money. This is all 532 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: about that condom money because Ebony Magazine even now in 533 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: we know that magazine's print media is on the decline. 534 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen tomorrow. But this new thing, the Internet. 535 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: I got a d I gotta c d rum gives 536 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: me minutes of the Internet. You know how much news 537 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: I could read in that time. Print media is on 538 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: the decline. Robert Johnson needs to make his money somehow, 539 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: and he's making it in kind themselves. And to do that, 540 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: he's got to scare y'all niggas and or fuck white ladies, 541 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: and there it is. I don't know, I feel like 542 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: that's exactly the type of conspiracy theory that that makes. 543 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to say it makes sense, but it 544 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: makes sense how that progression happens when you're living in 545 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: such a blind, nebulous space. Do you know what I mean? That? Like, 546 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: to me, the more dangerous era of COVID was when 547 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: we were still spending every day speculating about where it 548 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: came from. Right Like, now we've sort of given up 549 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: on that idea and we just go, yo, how do 550 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: we fix this, how do we get these variants to 551 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: stop whatever? Whatever? But when we were blaming Chinese people 552 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: for eating bats, it becomes this fucking crazy, weird, violent 553 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory Versus when we just get to the point 554 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 1: where we go, we get to see it for what 555 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: it is and go, Okay, here are the numbers, here's 556 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: where we're at. Here's how we could actually change those 557 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: numbers if we decide to do so. Then we stop 558 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: and at least go, okay, now we're being reasonable with 559 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: each other. Exactly if you walked into your kitchen and 560 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: there was a broken bottle of juice just on the floor. 561 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: H You got a couple options. You can sit there 562 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: and try to figure out the mystery of who broke 563 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: the bottle and find that person, go scream at them, 564 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: or do whatever the fuck. The whole time, the juice 565 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: is staining your floor, it's ruining your floor, it's routing 566 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: your floor. You could spend that time instead trying to 567 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: clean up the mess. And I feel like that's the 568 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: problem is so often we're walking into a itch and 569 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: there is a broken bottle of juice on the floor, 570 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: and our response is, who the funk did this? Let's 571 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: beat the ship out of them and rub their nose 572 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: in this broken glass, as opposed to saying, wait a minute, 573 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 1: this broken glass may pose a threat to everybody. Why 574 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: don't we clean it up and clean up this entire 575 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: mess and figure out how to prevent these things from 576 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: happening later. But it's we we live in such a 577 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: punit of society, and I think, what's interesting you bringing 578 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: up COVID is like the same reaction and response to 579 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: c J feels like, yeah, some decades later, thirty years later, 580 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: we're still doing the same ship. We're still who the 581 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: fuck isn't who the funk, Like, let's attack the people 582 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: who either, let's attack Chinese people because we think it 583 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: came from them. Let's tag black people because we don't 584 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: think they're getting vaccinated fast enough. In Texas right now, 585 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: the lieutenant governor of Texas is blaming black people for 586 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: a surgeon COVID like and it's unapologetic about it. And 587 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: it's just like, or maybe let's clean up the mess 588 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: and look at a system that creates a mess like this. 589 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: We could be having conversations about healthcare, whether about COVID, 590 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: whether about AIDS thirty years ago. But instead it is, 591 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: oh no, let's attack, Like, let's just attack, find the person, 592 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: rub their nose in glass and then that'll that'll solve 593 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: it all. Yeah, we we got a lot of spilled 594 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: juice and we're trying to make people's noses bloody. I 595 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: think is the big takeaway here. Yeah, we're gonna take 596 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back more. My mama told me 597 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: we are back anyway. Yeah, we're back here with more 598 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: wison Hack more. My mama told me sometime sort of 599 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: reading Rainbow when he just decided to read Players magazine. 600 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: I like that that in this version, you're saying that 601 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: LaVar Burton is like reading. This is him reading out 602 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: loud something that he's he's picked up and making sure 603 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 1: that we're aware of the literature that he appreciates. Yeah, 604 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: it's like, look, you, kids, I've shown you books that 605 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: you like. Let me show you. Let me show you 606 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: what I like to read, because when you're around, I 607 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: don't read these books with I like picture books too, 608 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: just different pictures. Yeah. I'm not better than this, but 609 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: as an adult, there are also things that I enjoy 610 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: and I think we should share those together. Yeah. So yeah, 611 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: let's enjoy this. Let's enjoy this issue the September issue 612 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: of Players Magazine. Kids Suck My Dick. But not in 613 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: the way that that that sounds like. It sounds just 614 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: more generally speaking. Yeah, all right, I have I want 615 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: to unpack some of this research. A lot of it 616 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: I think you covered already in your explanation of who CJ. 617 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,919 Speaker 1: Nobody is. There are a few elements that I think 618 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: are important to this story that might be worth digging into. 619 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: So one of the things that you mentioned is that 620 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: she the original conversation from C. J. Nobody, or at 621 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: least the initiating incident that came from c J. Nobody 622 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: was her writing this letter and sending it to it 623 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: wasn't Ebony magazine. I think I read essence, but it 624 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,319 Speaker 1: doesn't matter which magazine or publications Robert john she sent 625 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: into one of Robert Johnson's conglomerate one of his publications, 626 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: basically saying that she had she had HIV and she 627 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: had now had sex with forty eight men when she 628 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: was writing this letter and wanted people to know that 629 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: she was intentionally infecting these men with HIV. Then the 630 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: radio host that you mentioned gets a phone call from 631 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: her two years later, so it's presumed that within that 632 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: two years she's had sex with hundreds of men more 633 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: and then says that she plans to continue to do 634 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: this and express this no remorse for what she's been doing, 635 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: despite a lot of this jockey's trying to reason with her. 636 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: And that same radio DJ also claims to have met 637 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: her in person, where he says that she was a 638 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: a basically describes her as as I want to get 639 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: this quote correct, he says, a type of woman that 640 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: men would have a hard time saying no to five 641 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: five hundred and twenty pounds, long, curly hair. So apparently 642 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: she was just a bad bitch, that's essentially what he's saying. 643 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: And so men wouldn't say no, and she was having 644 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: sex with hundreds of men and presumably given them all HIV. Yeah, 645 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: the police sketch was just a drawing of her ass. 646 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: Men would not say no to her. You gotta run, 647 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: that's all. Wow, that's the the idea that he's like, yeah, 648 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: she's five five. Yeah, that that's fascinating. I didn't know 649 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,840 Speaker 1: that part. Yeah, he claims to have met her, or 650 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: at least met a person claiming to be her, and 651 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: was so taken with how pretty she was that he, 652 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: I guess understood how this worked now that all these 653 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: men who were having unprotected sex with her, Like he 654 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: was like, I can't blame the fellas. I mean, look 655 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: at this lady. He's just like, we got to protect 656 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: Michael Irvine at all call. The man has no control, 657 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: especially around a lady. That's fine. He's got two cocaine 658 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: lines parted into his hair. He's not we if we 659 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: want another super Bowl, we gotta we gotta lock him up. 660 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: So part of these sort of quote unquote fallout of 661 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: this this c J nobody period is that the Dallas 662 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: Urban League began passing out thousands upon thousands of condoms 663 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: at like the ten most popular nightclubs in Dallas as 664 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: a a preventative tool measure for making sure that men 665 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: weren't I guess, being taken by c J. Nobody that 666 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: like they couldn't control see nobody could find CJ. So 667 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: instead they're just like now giving men condoms at nightclubs 668 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: and hoping that they do the right thing and use 669 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: those condoms should they happen to lay with her right 670 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: which I feel like again in the sort of wackiness 671 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,719 Speaker 1: of this whole thing. And I'm not I'm not a detective. 672 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of detective shows. I've read a 673 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: lot of Batman comic books. But if you see J 674 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 1: and your whole idea is you want to infect people. 675 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: And then some guy goes to a nightclub, he gets 676 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: a condom, and you take him home and he's like, 677 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: hold on, let me put this condom on. I have 678 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: to assume you're going to say, get the funk out 679 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: of my house. Like this feels this feels like, if 680 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: this is true, that this is what just to just 681 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: to sort of get into the mind of c J 682 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: for a minute. I feel like, okay, yeah, how many 683 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: instances of c J then being like oh oh no, ikey, 684 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: take the condom off, and some guy being like, oh 685 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: yeah no, that's not how I get down, and her 686 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: being like, well, then go get out of get out 687 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: of this house. Yeah, it's not like CJ is gonna 688 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 1: be like, well still point zero two percent, I'm gonna 689 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: do it. I'm gonna I'm gonna then see what happened. Yeah, yeah, 690 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: this is if I'm on a revenge mission, you know what. 691 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: Those Sometimes I just want to have a little fun. 692 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,919 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's so that that feels weird. 693 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: It also feels strange that again, it's not a conversation 694 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: about education. It's just let's put a bunch of condoms 695 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: out in the world and that will solve it. And 696 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been to bars even now that 697 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: have like at the end of the bar there's a 698 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: basket full of condoms, and I don't know that those 699 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: are doing anything, And I don't know that I would 700 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: trust anybody's just random condoms. I feel like that's always 701 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: my thing. I you see those, I I you know, 702 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: I lived in New York for quite a while and 703 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 1: used to see those New York City condoms they have, 704 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,520 Speaker 1: like the sponsored brand of I guess condoms that they 705 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: would put at every bar in in the city. Yeah, 706 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. And as you're talking about this, 707 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm remembering something else from that time, which is there 708 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: was another conspiracy theory that was floating around, which was 709 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,840 Speaker 1: that people were going around poking holes and condoms, and 710 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: so there was also that fear that okay, like you're 711 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: worried about somebody doing that in the grocery store, the 712 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: drug store, going around poking holes and condoms, some random 713 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: condom that somebody gives me at a bar, Like, like, 714 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm already worried about the drug store ones. That's why 715 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 1: I have a bunch of lambs in my backyard that 716 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: I didn't skinning to make my own condoms. Do they scream? Yes, 717 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: of course they scream. But I can't afford to have 718 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: a poked hole in my kindom. Yeah, no, so's it's 719 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: a weird. It feels like, yeah, you're reminding me of 720 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: just like the anxiety on top of anxiety that was 721 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: existing where yeah, you have some people being like ah 722 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: ship panics give everybody condoms. Also at a time where 723 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: people are like there's another panic going around, we think 724 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,240 Speaker 1: there are random teenagers who want to play the worst 725 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: long game prank ever, that there are teenagers going around 726 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: poking holes in condoms in the grocery store, in the 727 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: drug store because the prank is some person we don't 728 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: know is going to get stuck with a baby they 729 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 1: were cared for. Yeah, it's not that fun of a prank. 730 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: It's like truly like there's no payoff for it unless 731 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,680 Speaker 1: you just track this person for the rest of their lives. Like, 732 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you're gaining from this experience. Yeah, 733 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: but I think in both situations there's something. There's something 734 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: at work there, which is this sort of the fear 735 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,800 Speaker 1: of the unknown where it's not again, even thinking about 736 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: the c J thing, it's not a targeted thing. It's 737 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: not like it's it's not like like she's saying, oh, 738 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,399 Speaker 1: I'm tireding black men. But it's not as though she's 739 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: saying I'm going after Michael Irvin and Emmett Smith, like 740 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm just taking out the Dallas Cowboys, and I have 741 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: a very specific thing, which is I'm going after these 742 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,120 Speaker 1: people who are high profile people, and I want to 743 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: see them have to then live a high profile life 744 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,959 Speaker 1: with this, because I feel like there I I looked 745 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,439 Speaker 1: up when I was trying to remind myself, I looked 746 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,400 Speaker 1: up an article about this, and one thing that they 747 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,440 Speaker 1: mentioned about c J that I I didn't remember was 748 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: that she described herself as coming from like an upper 749 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: middle class family. And so there's something also about that 750 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,800 Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, you're if you're just targeting random people, 751 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: like it's that's like you don't see, like you're not 752 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: seeing whatever the they then have to go through. And Also, 753 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 1: how weird is it if you're an upper middle class person, 754 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: Chances are you have access to better medical care then 755 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: most of the people you're targeting. Also, if you're a 756 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: rich black lady who was hooking up with rich white guys, 757 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm assuming her boyfriend was a rich white guy, it 758 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: feels weird that you would then like AIDS or not. 759 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: It feels weird if you've already lived in rich black 760 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 1: and rich white circles that you would say like, oh, 761 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna 762 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: leave the enclave. Yeah, go slum it for punishment. Yeah, 763 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,680 Speaker 1: you're not, that's not how that works. Yeah, I feel 764 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: like I don't know. I like, I I assume if 765 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: Serena Williams, I wish her the best in her marriage 766 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,080 Speaker 1: to Alexis Ohanian, But I feel like if they were 767 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: to split up, I don't see her going after dudes 768 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 1: who just like some nigger from FedEx. Like, I feel 769 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: like you're in a circle where you're probably gonna wind 770 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: up hanging out with like the guy who's like the 771 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: fourth in line to the throne or something like that. 772 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: There's no knockoff brand of caviare you know? You kind 773 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,279 Speaker 1: of just gotta keep rocking with the ones that you know. Yeah, 774 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, that reading that, I was kind of like, Okay, 775 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: this all seems real fishy. That she's just like a 776 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: rich black lady who then decided she wanted to target 777 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: presumably like black men who aren't as rich as her. 778 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: This all feels suspect as hell. Yeah, I agree. Well, 779 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,360 Speaker 1: the other interesting thing was, I don't know if you 780 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: would plan to talk about this, but it was a 781 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: fifteen year old girl who was the one who she 782 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,360 Speaker 1: was c J And she said, yeah, oh yeah, so 783 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: C J was a fifteen year old girl and she 784 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: apparently had a friend lost a friend to AIDS, and 785 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,720 Speaker 1: so she wrote the letter. She then was the first 786 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: person to call the radio station and the cops figured 787 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: out it was her. They matched her writing style or 788 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: writing sample from her to the to the Ebony magazine 789 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,080 Speaker 1: article she uh they like. There was like an ap 790 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,719 Speaker 1: interview with her where she was like, I was just 791 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: doing this to raise awareness about hip and AIDS. She 792 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,560 Speaker 1: had no regrets about any of it. They actually name 793 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: her and like say like this is her name, and 794 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: she was like, I have no regrets about any of this, 795 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: and it's kind like I guess I'd do it again. Whatever. 796 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,239 Speaker 1: There was another person who also took part, who was 797 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: a woman in her twenties who was also doing it 798 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: as a hoax and just kind of like saw the 799 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: momentum going and just picked it up and was like, Okay, 800 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 1: of of c J, I'll become c J. Yeah. And 801 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,919 Speaker 1: so it did get a little bit of a mind 802 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: of its own where you did have then this like 803 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: I think it was like a twenty nine year old 804 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: woman who was like, oh, yeah, I want some attention, 805 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: so I'm going to do this too. And yeah, it's 806 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: this very bizarre thing of the sort of the the 807 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: end of it all was this kind of like strange 808 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: thing that happened where yeah, it was a fifteen year 809 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: old girl and then also this twenty nine year old 810 00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:00,880 Speaker 1: woman who both did see it as almost like this 811 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: vigilante thing of we want to raise awareness but in 812 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: the clumsiest way possible. Well, it almost reminds me a 813 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 1: bit of uh that summer where like everybody was dressing 814 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: up as clip killer clowns, do you know what I mean, 815 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,440 Speaker 1: and hiding in the woods and like just scaring people 816 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 1: for the sake of scaring people. And I guess it 817 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 1: became like this this viral prank that more and more 818 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: people are taking on and doing the thing, or even 819 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: if you you know, make it more contemporary, the fucking 820 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: crate challenge that's happening right now of like black people 821 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: like putting a bunch of crates on top of each 822 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: other and pretending like they're on American Ninja Warrior. And 823 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: at first it's it's something that a person is doing, 824 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,240 Speaker 1: but then it's the thing that a bunch of people 825 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: are doing, and then it becomes a debate about who 826 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 1: who's responsible for it and what responsibility we have and 827 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,919 Speaker 1: I guess stopping this thing, but it's too far gone 828 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: to actually control, so now we're just in it, you 829 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Also, did we fail that fifteen 830 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,279 Speaker 1: year old that this is what she thought was going 831 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: to raise awareness that like this is you know this 832 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: like this isn't and this is the days before the 833 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,400 Speaker 1: internet being what it is. But this isn't like she 834 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: can go find like other people who have an organization 835 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: where she can talk about her grief and losing her 836 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: friend or any of that. It'sah, she's just gone and 837 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 1: done like vigilante justice, and it's like, I'm going to 838 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,279 Speaker 1: make the world a better place. I think as a 839 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,839 Speaker 1: fifteen year old by terrifying a bunch of people, By 840 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,200 Speaker 1: terrifying a bunch of drunk, horny people as they go 841 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: out into the night, Yeah, and terrifying them about something 842 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 1: that maybe they shouldn't be terrified about, but maybe they 843 00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:01,080 Speaker 1: should have a better understanding of. And so yeah, it 844 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,120 Speaker 1: becomes a very strange becomes a very strange thing. And 845 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: then I yeah, and to your larger point, I I 846 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,359 Speaker 1: don't always love when people like position and like, oh, 847 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: you're your poor tragic life that you have made for 848 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: yourself whatever, because you didn't have the right circumstances. But 849 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: she clearly wasn't in the right headspace for processing grief 850 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,880 Speaker 1: at a young age, and so you have to assume 851 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: she didn't get that much better at it if she 852 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,520 Speaker 1: was writing fucking age threats in in magazines at that 853 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: young age, and so like to your point, it's like, 854 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: the tragedy is a tragedy, but we could at least 855 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,399 Speaker 1: help the person on the back end of it. Yeah, yeah, 856 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,000 Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah. No, that was the one bit of 857 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,359 Speaker 1: information where it's like, I don't want to I cut 858 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: this part out, but it's because it's just like, oh, yeah, 859 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: you don't want to bring any more attention to tow 860 00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,719 Speaker 1: her in that way. But it is such a that 861 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: aspect of it. I feel like if somebody, when some 862 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: Dallas NPR station decides to do the like the eight 863 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 1: part episode series on c J, I really hope that 864 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: episode eight isn't like, let's check in with her now 865 00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: when they do slow burn, they're just uh forty years 866 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: or thirty years since uh since the Dallas scare, let's 867 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: talk about it. The other thing that sort of surprised 868 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 1: me in in digging into some of this stuff which 869 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know, and you talked about this a little 870 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: bit earlier, is that Texas actually made it illegal back 871 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,719 Speaker 1: in nine to intentionally give someone AIDS or HIV. That like, 872 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: if you knowingly had sex with someone and did not 873 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,959 Speaker 1: expose to them ahead of time that you had AIDS 874 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: or HIV unprotected sex, you you were basically you could 875 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,400 Speaker 1: be charged with the felony that could get you twenty 876 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: plus years in prison depending on, like I guess, the 877 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,320 Speaker 1: the outcome of that sex. And and even in other states, 878 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 1: and these laws remain uh in a lot of cases 879 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,760 Speaker 1: true today in other states, it's illegal to uh knowingly 880 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: have sex with someone without telling them about your AIDS 881 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: HIV status, even if they don't contract AIDS or HIV. 882 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 1: Like it's basically like you you attempted to give them 883 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: the thing despite not actually giving them the thing. And 884 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: again in that idea of like criminalizing something, you the 885 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 1: energy you're putting towards that one, how do you prove 886 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: you didn't know? There's that part of it that's like 887 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:54,000 Speaker 1: sometimes people don't know, and yet you could still criminalize 888 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: a person because you're putting it on them like it's like, okay, no, 889 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: you gave it to them. And it's a very easy 890 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 1: way to I think, give a lot of people felonies 891 00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,920 Speaker 1: for something that they may not have been fully aware of. 892 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 1: On top of that, it goes this idea again of 893 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,520 Speaker 1: like we're criminalizing something rather than if we put all 894 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:28,800 Speaker 1: that energy and resource, those resources into better healthcare. This 895 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: is something that people today, we see it now today 896 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 1: where it isn't the death sentence that people thought it 897 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: was thirty years ago. Absolutely, and so there are there 898 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,000 Speaker 1: are great examples of exactly what you mean. So like 899 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: recently and the year is I think slipping me in 900 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: my research. But a twenty six year old man recently 901 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: was charged and put on probation. Uh, he almost went 902 00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: to jail for this when he accidentally transmitted hiving a 903 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: one night stand with another dude. He was on HIV 904 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,480 Speaker 1: suppressant medication and was told directly, like to his face, 905 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 1: by his doctors that he could not transfer the disease 906 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: to another person. So he's going into this situation speaking 907 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,919 Speaker 1: to the education of it all, thinking, Yo, my doctor said, 908 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm meeting with the person, I'm doing everything 909 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do taking medications, and then a bad 910 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: thing happens, and then the court step in and go, 911 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: I dog, looks like we got to send you to 912 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: jail for for you uh fucking and and just not knowing, 913 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: which is crazy. Yeah, and we're now punishing you as 914 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: though you have to live like this ostracized person. You 915 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: have to. It's that thing of you know, there was 916 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: that time in like medieval times of like the leper colonies, 917 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: and it felt like, especially in the nineties, that people 918 00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: wanted to round up everyone with AIDS and create new 919 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: leper colonies in this way of like, well, no, let 920 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: them all just be over there, and that's how we 921 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 1: get rid of this thing, as opposed to maybe we 922 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: need a more inclusive health care system that says, okay, 923 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 1: whether you have cancer, whether you have AIDS, whether you 924 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,280 Speaker 1: have sickle cell anemia, whether you have a common cold, 925 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 1: we need to treat all of these things so that 926 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 1: you can continue to be a functioning member of society, 927 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 1: of your family, of the people you call close to you, 928 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 1: all that ship. And we don't do that. Instead, it 929 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: just becomes okay, round them up, take that guy, and 930 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,400 Speaker 1: like we're gonna make you a criminal because you had 931 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 1: a one night stand. And for anybody else who's thinking 932 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,840 Speaker 1: about having a one night stand, even if you have 933 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: all the right medication and like you said, or doing 934 01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: all the right things, Nope, you're not allowed to do 935 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 1: that anymore. You're not allowed to enjoy the thing that 936 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: somebody else is allowed to enjoy. And we don't give 937 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: a ship how you contracted HIV in the first place. 938 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: You could have been born with it. You could have 939 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: contracted it through sex. You could have contracted it because 940 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 1: you work in you know, in a field where you 941 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,920 Speaker 1: maybe somehow like had to cut and you know, transfer 942 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,880 Speaker 1: blood to blood, transfer some way, blood transfusion. I don't know. 943 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a fucking doctor, But like, you could have 944 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 1: caught this ship any number of ways. Probably not a 945 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: toilet seat, because I think we've debunked that one, but 946 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: in the nineties people still thought a toilet seat could 947 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 1: transmit AIDS and so but whatever the whatever the way, 948 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it may have been something out of your control, but 949 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,200 Speaker 1: we're saying no, even if it was out of your control, 950 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to enjoy the thing that somebody else 951 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: gets to enjoy. And you're a fucking criminal if you 952 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,240 Speaker 1: do no high fives for you and you're going to jail, 953 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Big Doug. That's that's essentially what they're they're saying for 954 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 1: what should be you know what, for most of us 955 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: is a a, if nothing else, innocuous experience. It's a 956 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: thing that that happens and you move on and hopefully 957 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,240 Speaker 1: you didn't hurt yourself for another person in the process. 958 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,040 Speaker 1: I did a little bit of of unpacking in terms 959 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 1: of these question of arrest and people going to jail, 960 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,480 Speaker 1: and a u c l A study from a few 961 01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: years ago noted that between ninety eight in September two thousand, seventeen, 962 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,919 Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy one HIV related arrests were made 963 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 1: in Georgia alone, and before HIV related arrests were rare 964 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,080 Speaker 1: twenty seven annually. So there is like now an increasing 965 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: number of people being arrested and or criminalized for giving 966 01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,000 Speaker 1: someone a disease or or I guess, quote unquote attempt 967 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,120 Speaker 1: thing to give someone a disease, whether that's true or 968 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 1: not true, right, And I bet, I mean that's over 969 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: five people. And I bet if you were to talk 970 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: to all five hundred of those people, I would be 971 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,840 Speaker 1: surprised if they're like, what number of those five hundred 972 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,720 Speaker 1: people were Like, no, I was intentionally trying to do this, 973 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: And and that's and and again that the fact that 974 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,760 Speaker 1: there's five people for the people who want to make 975 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,680 Speaker 1: that argument, and again that you know, going back to 976 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 1: like the fear of the down Low and all that ship. 977 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,240 Speaker 1: For someone who wants to make the fearmongering argument that 978 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,520 Speaker 1: there are people out there who are knowingly trying to 979 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:48,880 Speaker 1: infect other people, knowingly trying to harm other people, this 980 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,640 Speaker 1: only adds fuel to that fire to say that, like, well, look, 981 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,400 Speaker 1: five hundred people are in jail over this ship. That's 982 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 1: how in one state, Loane, that's how real this ship is, 983 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:06,480 Speaker 1: when in fact, it's a fucking damaged sort of criminal 984 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:14,480 Speaker 1: justice system that has turned them into villains. When I 985 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,400 Speaker 1: would argue that the majority of them probably not the case. Yeah, 986 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:24,320 Speaker 1: and frankly that the villain doesn't really even exist like that, 987 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,640 Speaker 1: that the number of people who who would even have 988 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,960 Speaker 1: that kind of response are it's so small that it 989 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: it's almost zero. I saw this video in doing some 990 01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 1: of this research of this lady in Americus Georgia. Americus 991 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 1: Georgia didn't know it was the place that existed, but 992 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 1: apparently it does. And in twenty nineteen, this lady, Brandy Lasseter, 993 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,360 Speaker 1: went on Facebook live claiming to be HIV positive and 994 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: threatened to infect a number of men who she had 995 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 1: who she had felt wronged her and also their wives 996 01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,479 Speaker 1: and girlfriends. Subsequently, because she was sucking them, They're gonna 997 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,160 Speaker 1: suck them. Everybody's gonna get HIV. And eight that said, 998 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,040 Speaker 1: when she was confronted by the police, because naturally a 999 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: bunch of people are now scared than they are in 1000 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,120 Speaker 1: fact being infected, called the police on this lady, she 1001 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,280 Speaker 1: immediately shows the police a blood test from the year before, 1002 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,320 Speaker 1: showing that she did not in fact have HIV, and 1003 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,440 Speaker 1: then goes on to then offer herself for a second 1004 01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 1: blood test, saying like, no, I was just doing this 1005 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,360 Speaker 1: because I was upset and wanted attention more than actually 1006 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,200 Speaker 1: giving anybody anything. And I think that probably is more 1007 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,040 Speaker 1: a symptom of the c j's and the Brandys and 1008 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,160 Speaker 1: anybody who were claiming is like out here like just 1009 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,080 Speaker 1: giving this vengeful HIV. It's like, No, your brush probably 1010 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,200 Speaker 1: like mentally unwell in making bad choices more than you 1011 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,840 Speaker 1: are sick and wanting to to make other people sick. Yeah. 1012 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:03,240 Speaker 1: Well it was again back to that idea of trying 1013 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: to take something that should be normalized and turn it 1014 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:15,120 Speaker 1: into something scary that it's it becomes a weapon in 1015 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 1: this way that you're scaring people with the idea of 1016 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,440 Speaker 1: HIV and AIDS as opposed to normalizing it where there 1017 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,920 Speaker 1: are more people who are living lives with HIV and 1018 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:34,160 Speaker 1: AIDS then you realize and they're living productive lives, happy lives, 1019 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,840 Speaker 1: but you are turning it into this weapon that is Okay, 1020 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: what's the scariest thing I can say is to infect 1021 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,440 Speaker 1: people with this disease? This I feel like this is 1022 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 1: the part of the lesson to Baby Didn't learn, which 1023 01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:00,919 Speaker 1: is like you've turned HIV and AIDS into a slur 1024 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: almost it's a bad word. That is this thing that 1025 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: people should be scared of. It becomes a boogeyman that 1026 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,120 Speaker 1: people should be afraid of, as opposed to it is 1027 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: something that people live with every day. There are plenty 1028 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:23,080 Speaker 1: of things that people live with every day, plenty of diseases, viruses, 1029 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,880 Speaker 1: conditions that people live with every day. And if we 1030 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,280 Speaker 1: normalize the conversation around that, maybe we could turn our 1031 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,600 Speaker 1: attention to why don't we have a better health care system? 1032 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,040 Speaker 1: And I know I'm starting to sound like I worked 1033 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:45,760 Speaker 1: for Bernie Sanders. But the guy had some interesting, good ideas. 1034 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: He just had some weird followers, weird vocal followers that 1035 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,760 Speaker 1: were didn't just get rid of his entire fan base. Then, Uh, 1036 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,880 Speaker 1: that guy is awesome. Yeah, you know give and you 1037 01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,560 Speaker 1: know you maybe want him to be in a place 1038 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,520 Speaker 1: where he can figure out these things in a state that's, 1039 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little more diverse than Vermont, because 1040 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,400 Speaker 1: it's real great to talk about how to do all 1041 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:14,120 Speaker 1: this ship in super white Vermont um, but how do 1042 01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: you make it work for everybody across the board? But 1043 01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I and I say all that, though, but it is 1044 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:25,200 Speaker 1: like there's a conversation around healthcare even I feel like 1045 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,560 Speaker 1: we talked about COVID a little while ago. But this 1046 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: past week I was I I'm I'm vaccinated. I was 1047 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:40,040 Speaker 1: with a vaccinated person who caught a breakthrough delta case 1048 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:44,599 Speaker 1: and so she she got delta, she was sick, She's okay, 1049 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,080 Speaker 1: but she lost like center smell and all that stuff, 1050 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,840 Speaker 1: But immediately reached out to everybody that she hung out 1051 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,400 Speaker 1: with over the last week and was like, hey, I 1052 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,280 Speaker 1: caught a breakthrough case of delta. You might want to 1053 01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,880 Speaker 1: go get COVID test. Walked to the you know, dock 1054 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,639 Speaker 1: in the box down the street the minute she said something. 1055 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,920 Speaker 1: On Monday, got a COVID test, went back on Friday, 1056 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 1: got another COVID test. Both came back fine or negative. 1057 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: But the idea that in this moment, I could go 1058 01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 1: easily do that, and that there and that it's not 1059 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:29,400 Speaker 1: costing me anything, and that like treatment for this, that yeah, 1060 01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,800 Speaker 1: you can go to a drug store today and get 1061 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: a fucking vaccine, and that this is what health care 1062 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,840 Speaker 1: should look like, that to get a flu shot, to 1063 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,800 Speaker 1: get anything you need, whether it's medicine. Like if we had, 1064 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,800 Speaker 1: if we normalize these things, we would live. We could 1065 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 1: live in a world where Okay, if someone gets a 1066 01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: disease or get sick in any way, that all right. Yeah, 1067 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,920 Speaker 1: there's places to go do that. There are doctors who 1068 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,200 Speaker 1: live in your neighborhood and community who can help destigmatize 1069 01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,760 Speaker 1: these conversations. There are other people who live openly with 1070 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,280 Speaker 1: these things that you can talk to. That resources aren't 1071 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,760 Speaker 1: these things that you have to go to the dark 1072 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 1: corners of the internet to go to find, but they're 1073 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:25,280 Speaker 1: readily available. And I feel like, what's so both fascinating 1074 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:31,519 Speaker 1: but sad about hearing something like like that, like that 1075 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Brandy woman, And just to know that in Georgia HIV 1076 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,519 Speaker 1: and AIDS is criminalized in the way that it is. 1077 01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,200 Speaker 1: It runs so counter to a world where we could 1078 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 1: live in a better version of the world where all right, 1079 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,040 Speaker 1: these things aren't criminalized, but they're treated with the things 1080 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:58,200 Speaker 1: that they need, which are healthcare resources, like medical resources, 1081 01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,479 Speaker 1: it's rather than criminal sources. Yeah, I think in a 1082 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,719 Speaker 1: in an ideal society, even if Brandy were being honest 1083 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,800 Speaker 1: about her experience, more people would have reached out and 1084 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,720 Speaker 1: been like, Yo, what can we do to help you 1085 01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,639 Speaker 1: live a decent, functional life with your new experience, rather 1086 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,800 Speaker 1: than being like, we gotta get this crazy bitch out 1087 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,400 Speaker 1: of here before she infects all of us with this 1088 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,320 Speaker 1: terminal disease. Yeah. Well, and even I think about you know, 1089 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,240 Speaker 1: if you take it, if you take it to just 1090 01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,679 Speaker 1: a cold, if you know you've lived in New York. 1091 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: I feel like if you live in New York and 1092 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,320 Speaker 1: you take the subway. On the subway, they're like, if 1093 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,719 Speaker 1: you feel like you have a cold, especially through during 1094 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,400 Speaker 1: like cold and flu season, they're like stay home. Like 1095 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 1: companies are like, don't come into work, don't get everybody 1096 01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,200 Speaker 1: else sick, take care of yourself. Do you need something 1097 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,840 Speaker 1: something like Joanne will bring you some soup, because that's 1098 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,680 Speaker 1: just who Joanne is. She's a nice lady that way. Good. Yeah, 1099 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:06,160 Speaker 1: a racist sometimes, but just nice when it comes to soup. 1100 01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:11,880 Speaker 1: Real free with the soup. But real Islamaphobia just watches 1101 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,920 Speaker 1: a little too much, Bill maher h. But I think 1102 01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,840 Speaker 1: that's like I look at the way that we treat 1103 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:24,760 Speaker 1: a cold or a flu, and we over time have 1104 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:30,040 Speaker 1: gotten to this place of okay, yeah, like this this 1105 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:34,000 Speaker 1: is just something that we say, all right, get people medicine, 1106 01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,720 Speaker 1: do the like, do what you need to do to 1107 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,840 Speaker 1: get better and to you know, be okay, and what 1108 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 1: do you need? And with so many other things, it 1109 01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,880 Speaker 1: is not that. And it is again this world that 1110 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,800 Speaker 1: we've put our interests in sort of dooming people and 1111 01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:58,600 Speaker 1: damning people for whatever, whether it is yeah, contracting a 1112 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,880 Speaker 1: disease or COVID or any of these things. We've damned 1113 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,320 Speaker 1: people as opposed to saying like, okay, maybe we need 1114 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:10,720 Speaker 1: a society that focuses more on healthcare. And yeah, if 1115 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,519 Speaker 1: someone was gonna knowingly try to infect somebody with anything, 1116 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,160 Speaker 1: they maybe need to talk to a therapist. They may 1117 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,280 Speaker 1: be need to talk to a social worker. And how 1118 01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,960 Speaker 1: do we put our resources into that? And that's why 1119 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Bernie two, I don't know whenever the next 1120 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:31,840 Speaker 1: coup happens. You know, Bernie's back, eighty year old, young, 1121 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,960 Speaker 1: young startup. He's back. All right, we're gonna take one 1122 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,000 Speaker 1: more break. We'll be back with more wives than that 1123 01:13:39,200 --> 01:14:08,280 Speaker 1: and more. My mama told me. We are back. Yeah, 1124 01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,040 Speaker 1: we're back here with more whatts than that? More my 1125 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,240 Speaker 1: mama told me. We're still talking about c J Nobody 1126 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,320 Speaker 1: and the possibility that that maybe this was all just 1127 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 1: a long con for AIDS education, that that she she 1128 01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,000 Speaker 1: truly was solving all of our problems with the work 1129 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,559 Speaker 1: that she did in teaching us how to be more 1130 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,640 Speaker 1: accountable as adults and put on condoms and behave reasonably 1131 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,120 Speaker 1: with each other when we're feeling hot and horny. Yeah, 1132 01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:42,960 Speaker 1: it was the clumsiest after school special effort you did 1133 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,479 Speaker 1: at c J. You nailed it. I want to say 1134 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: every time that you say c J Nobody, it sounds 1135 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:54,920 Speaker 1: very close to bj Novak. You know bj Novac running 1136 01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:01,120 Speaker 1: around giving everybody aids. Bj Novak had like like a 1137 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:07,160 Speaker 1: bizarre version of bj novact be like c J Nobody 1138 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:13,640 Speaker 1: from Earth to It does feel very much like some 1139 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,439 Speaker 1: sort of weird mixing up the letters that you're coming 1140 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,599 Speaker 1: up with a bad version of it. Soul train scramble board. 1141 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,639 Speaker 1: I love it. All right, let's jump into this game. 1142 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,200 Speaker 1: I have a fun game, a game we haven't played 1143 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,559 Speaker 1: in a while. This is a fun game I call 1144 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 1: a little homemade hotep. So the way this game works, 1145 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,960 Speaker 1: why it is. I am going to introduce to you 1146 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:44,639 Speaker 1: a commonly believed, not believed, a real life fact from 1147 01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,160 Speaker 1: the world, a real fact that that existed in the world. 1148 01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,400 Speaker 1: And what I would love for you to do. It's 1149 01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,120 Speaker 1: just hotep the ship out of it. Add whatever flavoring 1150 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,720 Speaker 1: or logic or information that you can gather from this 1151 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,080 Speaker 1: fact to us, make it as HOTEPI and and sort 1152 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,120 Speaker 1: of conspiratorial as you can possibly make it. Does that 1153 01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:10,120 Speaker 1: work for you? God? Body? Hell yeah, you're already in it. 1154 01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,040 Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, here's the fact that I found 1155 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,720 Speaker 1: for you. It turns out that the Three Musketeers Bar 1156 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:21,160 Speaker 1: actually used to come in three flavors. There were three 1157 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,800 Speaker 1: flavor options for the three for the three Musketeers bar. 1158 01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,640 Speaker 1: There was chocolate, there was vanilla, and there was strawberry. 1159 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,120 Speaker 1: And then at some point they got rid of vanilla 1160 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:37,160 Speaker 1: and strawberry. My question for you is, what's happening there? Why? 1161 01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,559 Speaker 1: Here's the thing that people don't realize about Three Musketeers bars. 1162 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:49,240 Speaker 1: Three Musketeers bars. They were selling really well in white neighborhoods, 1163 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:54,880 Speaker 1: affluent white neighborhoods. And that vanilla, that strawberry what people 1164 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,760 Speaker 1: don't realize. Vanilla had floriade in its real good fateeth 1165 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,200 Speaker 1: that strawberry had amino acids would keep you, you know, 1166 01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:10,160 Speaker 1: nice and strong. Eventually, you know, three Musketeers started making 1167 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,439 Speaker 1: their way into black neighborhoods. Now of a sudden, folks 1168 01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,080 Speaker 1: got worried that all these black people gonna have nice 1169 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,639 Speaker 1: teeth and be real being strong. So they were like, huh, 1170 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,519 Speaker 1: we gotta take this ship out of here. We can't. 1171 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080 Speaker 1: We can't run the risk of having them have too 1172 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,120 Speaker 1: good a teeth where they could you know, take like 1173 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,760 Speaker 1: nice TV jobs from us, or being drong where they 1174 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,439 Speaker 1: could break us over their knees, like bayan, So we 1175 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,760 Speaker 1: need to take that stuff out of there and then 1176 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,080 Speaker 1: just give them the chocolate, you know, just give them d'Artagnan. 1177 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,880 Speaker 1: I think that was one of the three musketeers. They're 1178 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,080 Speaker 1: not They can't have the other two. We'll keep those 1179 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,280 Speaker 1: for ourselves. So that's what I feel like. That's if 1180 01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: that's my first run at it. I feel like you 1181 01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,760 Speaker 1: give me an hour. I could give me an hour, 1182 01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,439 Speaker 1: let me step away for us second and uh, just 1183 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,040 Speaker 1: seeing a man about a horse iventually I could, I could, 1184 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,639 Speaker 1: I could do better. Well, I don't think you can. 1185 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,200 Speaker 1: I think that was beautiful work. I'm very proud of you. 1186 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,840 Speaker 1: Complete nothing about that was truly the The idea that 1187 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,960 Speaker 1: there were secret ingredients that would have made us stronger 1188 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,200 Speaker 1: and less would have been less damaging to our black 1189 01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,240 Speaker 1: bodies feels like maybe an honest thing that could have 1190 01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,360 Speaker 1: been happening with these three musketeers bars that there were 1191 01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,200 Speaker 1: resources that they just snatched away from us and now 1192 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,639 Speaker 1: we'll never get them back and we just gotta eat weird, 1193 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,080 Speaker 1: fluffy nougat for the rest of our lives, which has 1194 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,320 Speaker 1: no no nutritional value, I think no, But hold on, 1195 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,000 Speaker 1: I got one more for you. Hell yeah, all right. 1196 01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,920 Speaker 1: So here's the thing you said. The Three Musketeers bar 1197 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,160 Speaker 1: had three flavors, right, So that's what vanilla, strawberry chocolate. 1198 01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:00,960 Speaker 1: M all right, So vanilla represents what you think it 1199 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:06,400 Speaker 1: represents my young white the white man, the white person. Yeah, 1200 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,040 Speaker 1: that vanilla represents the white body. What you think that 1201 01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:16,360 Speaker 1: chocolate represents my young king? Exactly, black king. Right here, 1202 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 1: we got kings and queens on this podcast. Yeah, that 1203 01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:26,759 Speaker 1: black people. That strawberry, that represents the blood that runs 1204 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,000 Speaker 1: through each of us, the whites and the blacks, is 1205 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,479 Speaker 1: saying we are no different in this Three Musketeers bar. 1206 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,720 Speaker 1: But people don't want us seeing that. Oh yeah, we 1207 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,240 Speaker 1: got the same blood that runs through us. They want 1208 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,800 Speaker 1: to divide us. They don't want us to see this 1209 01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:53,760 Speaker 1: imagery of black people white people coming together. The oligarchs 1210 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,679 Speaker 1: don't want that because if we all start to come together, 1211 01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:03,559 Speaker 1: then we're gonna say, hey, these oligarchs, they treating us 1212 01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:08,400 Speaker 1: like we ants. But you know what happens when enough 1213 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:14,320 Speaker 1: ants come together, ants take over and ants eat oligarchs. 1214 01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,640 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. That's why if you go to my 1215 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,680 Speaker 1: my store, I sell sweatshirts. Let's say ants eat olagars. 1216 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,560 Speaker 1: You can buy one right now. We got hoodies, we 1217 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,880 Speaker 1: got t shirts, and we got face masks, but not 1218 01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:32,640 Speaker 1: for COVID. Those are face masks for other things. But 1219 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,599 Speaker 1: at any rate, the Three Tears bar. So what they 1220 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,519 Speaker 1: said was, we don't want white people and black people 1221 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:45,599 Speaker 1: to see that they need to work together because the Threes, 1222 01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the Three Musketeer owned by the Mars Corporation, Mars Mars Corporation, 1223 01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,880 Speaker 1: though some rich motherfucker's all right, so they're like, na, 1224 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,560 Speaker 1: we don't want that's a threat to us. Take that 1225 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 1: ship out of there. Just give them chocolate. Damn, damn, damn. 1226 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:12,080 Speaker 1: Wake up, motherfucker's at home. You just got served. Yeah, 1227 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,880 Speaker 1: they don't want us living together in peace and harmony. 1228 01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,720 Speaker 1: We could have been together, but now they took that, 1229 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,519 Speaker 1: They took that vanilla, they took that strawberry, and now 1230 01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,799 Speaker 1: we're just sitting alone with our chocolate and maybe chocolates. Okay, 1231 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:28,639 Speaker 1: but it would have been better if we had them 1232 01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:31,439 Speaker 1: all together living at peace. Yeah. You know what happens 1233 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,560 Speaker 1: when everyone lives together in peace. When you have the 1234 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,679 Speaker 1: white and the black, the black and the white come together, 1235 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:43,640 Speaker 1: you get alm enjoy damn. And I've been trained my 1236 01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,040 Speaker 1: whole life to hate alm enjoys. And maybe that's my 1237 01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,640 Speaker 1: own backwards this, that's our own self hatred, stepping in 1238 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,920 Speaker 1: the way of my own joy. Yeah, no, that is 1239 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,799 Speaker 1: self hatred. You want the joy that comes that Alman enjoy. 1240 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,720 Speaker 1: You want that damn heavy ship. We did it? Why 1241 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,560 Speaker 1: I think we fucking did it? This was a fun episode. 1242 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Could you tell the people at home where they can 1243 01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,320 Speaker 1: find you what cool stuff you have going on? Like 1244 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,320 Speaker 1: where they can find me my address? Yes, please tell 1245 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:19,160 Speaker 1: them your specific address. No po boxes accepted. I live 1246 01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,479 Speaker 1: at Drake's house. So if you happen to get you 1247 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,759 Speaker 1: happen to see Kanye's tweet where he gave out Drake's address, 1248 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,600 Speaker 1: that's where you can. Yeah, you can go ask for me. 1249 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,479 Speaker 1: And I'm in one of the rooms. There's so many 1250 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,320 Speaker 1: rooms here, I don't even know how to get out. 1251 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:42,840 Speaker 1: Just find food where ever it's left and wherever Dake 1252 01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:46,439 Speaker 1: leaves it, you know, and hope for the best. Social media, 1253 01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:51,000 Speaker 1: which I'm not that active on, although I guess I 1254 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't say that. I need to grow. I need to 1255 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,760 Speaker 1: grow that follower farm, grow that following baby. Yeah, it's 1256 01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,360 Speaker 1: all at Why It's an Act. W y A T 1257 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,880 Speaker 1: T S E n A C on Twitter and Instagram, 1258 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,679 Speaker 1: not on TikTok. Good for you. Yeah, beyond that, I'm 1259 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:13,040 Speaker 1: not really doing much. Okay, Yeah, as soon as this 1260 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,400 Speaker 1: pandemic is over, you motherfucker's better check out everything Why 1261 01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,479 Speaker 1: It's doing and follow him. Do all the things you're 1262 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,920 Speaker 1: supposed to do everywhere except TikTok. And as always, you 1263 01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 1: can follow me at lanksne Kerman and uh please subscribe, 1264 01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:31,840 Speaker 1: Please write reviews and comments for this podcast. It's very 1265 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,320 Speaker 1: important that you do that. Otherwise I'll never forgive you. Okay, 1266 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:53,880 Speaker 1: bye bitch, bye bye chips in your racists mostly money 1267 01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:01,040 Speaker 1: stuff I can't tell me. I s