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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying.

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Speaker 3: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 3: Caden Clark broke the all time single game assists record.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 2: To the polls where history is written, and now we

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Speaker 2: have Kamala Harrison, it feels more like women are sort

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Speaker 2: of taken what they've always deserved, as opposed to waiting

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics, because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your homes Gary Champion. In my world of sports,

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Speaker 1: there is this cliche term that suggests athletes want to

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Speaker 1: be rappers and rappers want to be athletes. In other words,

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Speaker 1: an athlete is just like any other artists. They want

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Speaker 1: to express themselves in many different ways. So it athletes

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Speaker 1: work can become a canvas of expression that is no

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Speaker 1: different than a painter with a brush. It's just another

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Speaker 1: way to tell a story. If I think of the

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Speaker 1: many athletes over the years who have used different forms

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Speaker 1: or perhaps Shaquille O'Neil who actually had an lp Go platinum.

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Speaker 1: So their creativity isn't just for applause, It's actually a

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Speaker 1: it's protests, it's inspirational, it's admirable. From Muhammad Ali and

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Speaker 1: James Baldwin to Gordon Parks and Alvin Armstrong. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, art and sport intersect in such

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Speaker 1: a beautiful way. So when I was asked by one

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Speaker 1: of the leading artists of our time, Mkaeleen Thomas, to

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Speaker 1: participate in Art Arena powered by Woe World of Art

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Speaker 1: Holdings and partnering with unrivaled a three on three professional

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Speaker 1: women's basketball league founded by WNBA players NAFISA Collier and

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to highlight change and synergy between women who

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Speaker 1: be invaluable. The Art Arena panel painted its way through

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Speaker 1: Art Basel, moderated by yours Truly. I hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this candid conversation taped live in Miami at Art Basel

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Speaker 1: entitled The Art of the Challenge.

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Speaker 3: My name is Michichi Guardian.

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Speaker 4: Thanks you baking, and I'm the CEO and founder of

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Speaker 4: WOE Work of Art Holdings, a global art and cultural

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Speaker 4: firm that officially launched today and is powering Art Arena

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Speaker 4: and the panel today. At WOE, we're focused on directly

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Speaker 4: investing and growing initiatives that foster living artists, legacies, impact

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Speaker 4: storytelling and community building placemaking. We believe that centering art

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Speaker 4: we champion the idea that artists and athletes can be

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Speaker 3: We're thrilled to have you all here today.

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Speaker 4: Before we begin, I like to introduce my colleague partner

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Speaker 4: in crime, as Zolda, our founding chief strategy officer, whose

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Speaker 4: vision and leadership, together with Michaeleen Thomas and Lindsay Kagawa's

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Speaker 5: Thanks Michi, Hello, beautiful people. How's everyone doing. We take

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Speaker 5: the unique synergies between artists and athletes, women artists and

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Speaker 5: and events, strategic brand partnerships, and impactful social initiatives which

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Speaker 5: this afternoon, we've brought together an inspiring group of trailblazing artists,

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Speaker 3: The art of challenge And why challenge? You say? I

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Speaker 5: We like to think of challenge as a multi layered

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Speaker 5: shout out to our partner for this event, unrivaled Whoo,

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Speaker 5: and you all will hear about unrivaled from one of

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Speaker 5: Thank you edition, Thank you, thank you. And with that,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Can we

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Speaker 1: Before being able to such a wonderful event the WOLD

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Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy this conversation. She said badass,

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Speaker 6: So something that we're really proud of is that everyone

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Speaker 3: It's here in Miami.

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Speaker 1: So for people who want to come and watch a game,

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Speaker 6: We have a lot of you know, behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: I think the beauty of Unrivaled is if you all

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Speaker 3: Welcome Back to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: We left off with NFISA Collier explaining how Unrivaled, the

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, you know, I was really lucky to

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Speaker 1: do with the art arena? What do you want to see?

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Speaker 1: What in a world that is perfect, where we are

440
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Speaker 1: celebrating artists from all different backgrounds, but primarily artists who

441
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Speaker 1: are not who are not marginalized, who have been marginalized,

442
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Speaker 1: what would you like to see?

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Speaker 8: There's a lot I want to see. I mean, that's

444
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Speaker 8: a really big quest question. It's a very good question.

445
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Speaker 8: And I think initially when I think about the impetus

446
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Speaker 8: in my mind for why Arterina exists, it was really

447
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Speaker 8: for my daughter, and mainly because you know, she's like

448
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Speaker 8: very charismatic, outgoing, but expressive and verbal, but also very

449
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Speaker 8: introverted at the same time. And I noticed at one

450
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Speaker 8: point when she was about ten years old, she's the

451
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Speaker 8: tallest in her class.

452
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Speaker 3: Right, She's very.

453
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Speaker 8: Tall for ten and me, being a tall woman and

454
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Speaker 8: a tall kid, I was always the tallest in my class.

455
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Speaker 8: But I also had a very tall mother. My mother

456
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Speaker 8: was six ' one and loved her height, so she

457
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Speaker 8: always made me proud of my height, and so me

458
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Speaker 8: being a mother, really wanted to make my daughter very

459
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Speaker 8: proud of her body that she's growing in, you know,

460
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Speaker 8: be best in body.

461
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Speaker 3: They're awkward and weird.

462
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Speaker 8: They're trying to like discover and understand all the changes

463
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Speaker 8: that they're going through chemically. And so the only thing

464
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Speaker 8: that I knew was to go to sports, right, the

465
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Speaker 8: only thing I knew as a representation instead of me

466
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Speaker 8: being the person having to tell us to tell her

467
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Speaker 8: because oftentimes you can tell your child something over and

468
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Speaker 8: over again and they don't necessarily hear it. It watches

469
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Speaker 8: over them, they don't care, but as soon as they

470
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Speaker 8: see it or someone else says it, it makes sense

471
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Speaker 8: to them. And so being I live in Fort Green,

472
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Speaker 8: it is the Barkley Stadium, is there, the liberty it

473
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Speaker 8: was before it became like the sort of rage of

474
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Speaker 8: the WNBA, And I thought, okay, why don't I just

475
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Speaker 8: introduce my daughters to sports?

476
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Speaker 3: I was.

477
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Speaker 8: I thought, well, maybe she will be a basketball player,

478
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Speaker 8: maybe she'll be interested in basketball.

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Speaker 3: She wasn't. She tried out for She's like, no, this

480
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Speaker 3: is not for me.

481
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Speaker 8: She's really interested in volleyball, which is good because I

482
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 8: was the sport that I played. I played volleyball, and

483
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Speaker 8: I did track and field and cross country throughout my

484
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Speaker 8: elementary and high school and first years of college. So

485
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Speaker 8: when I took my daughter to her first game at

486
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Speaker 8: the WNBA at the Berkley Stadium. When I took her

487
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Speaker 8: to the first game and she saw all of these

488
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Speaker 8: tall women, the look on her face was like, they

489
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Speaker 8: look like me.

490
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Speaker 3: I look like them. She can now.

491
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Speaker 8: It was this mirror image, And to me, that was

492
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Speaker 8: very profound of what is needed for young girls, for

493
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Speaker 8: them to see themselves and others. And so for me,

494
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Speaker 8: what that gave me, what that gave her was an outlet,

495
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Speaker 8: a way of connecting even if it's not it's.

496
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Speaker 3: Regardless that it's a sport she's interested in.

497
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Speaker 8: It's she seeing women and athleticism, women doing something professional,

498
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Speaker 8: that they love a skill, and that they're proud of

499
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Speaker 8: who they are. That she can recognize that. And so

500
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Speaker 8: me recognizing that she was experienced this, I really wanted

501
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 8: to find a way for me to engage more with

502
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Speaker 8: women in sports. And so through my conversation with a

503
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 8: collective that I that I know and Portland, Oregon, John Goodman,

504
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 8: I was talking to him about how I could be

505
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 8: a little more involved with women and WBA, and he

506
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 8: introduced me to Linda k Gawa Collis, and she and

507
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 8: I started having these conversations of how we can intersect

508
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 8: and merge. Just basically, I just wanted to have conversation

509
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Speaker 8: and a platform for artists who think about the mind.

510
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 8: You know, like art is very physical and it's also

511
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 8: very siloed, but we also have to there's this vulnerable

512
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 8: sort of state where you have to That performative is

513
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 8: the spaces that we sort of put our art out

514
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 8: in the world, right, So I wanted to just create

515
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 8: this form or a space where we can engage with

516
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Speaker 8: others from different areas about their similar experiences. And I

517
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 8: knew that the WNBA was on this sort of this rise.

518
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Speaker 3: It was something that's happened. You can feel it. There

519
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: was this synergy, this energy throughout, and so I just

520
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: really wanted to be in conversation with women in sports

521
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: and like what they've been going through and their challenges

522
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Speaker 3: to see if there was some similarity that we can

523
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Speaker 3: find this bridge of commonality that we can.

524
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Speaker 8: Sort of create a movement together, right, that it doesn't

525
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 8: have to be these separate things entities, that maybe there's

526
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 8: this converge and intersection of ideas with women in the

527
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 8: arts with women in sports and that through this platform,

528
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Speaker 8: and then you know, having conversations with Linda.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, Lindsay, excuse me, excuse me, Lindsay.

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Speaker 8: I talked to Zoda about it, and once I Zoda

531
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 8: got in, we started having really big ideas and it

532
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 8: started getting formulated, and then you know, Mitchie and we

533
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 8: all came about creating Art Arena as the new platform.

534
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Speaker 3: But for me, what do I want from it? I

535
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: just want a.

536
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Speaker 8: Space where we feel safe and comfortable, where ideas can

537
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 8: be cultivated, where it's an incubator of just community and

538
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 8: just innovation and support system, and that it's an umbrella

539
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Speaker 8: for how brands and sort of collaborations can manifest for

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Speaker 8: women in the arts and sports. And perhaps there's a

541
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Speaker 8: way where Pie and Kennedy can come up with something

542
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Speaker 8: that is collective, that can be put out in the

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Speaker 8: world that then exists that young girls could sort of

544
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Speaker 8: attached to whatever that thing is that they can hold

545
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Speaker 8: as their own and have on the wall in their

546
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Speaker 8: bedroom to sort of understand that there's something that this

547
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Speaker 8: artist and this athlete has come together and create something.

548
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Speaker 3: Whatever that is.

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Speaker 8: It can be an object, it can be an experience,

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Speaker 8: that then they have something.

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Speaker 3: To aspire to.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea that your daughter saw herself when

553
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Speaker 1: she went.

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Speaker 8: It's really hard to described when you can when you

555
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Speaker 8: have a child who I remember her seeing Stewie and

556
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 8: was like, she's tall, like and she's She's like, she's

557
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Speaker 8: tall like me.

558
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: I was like, no, she's taller.

559
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Speaker 8: But the fact that she seeing Stewie and then when

560
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 8: she met Stewie and pictures were it was everything for her,

561
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 8: and then getting a jersey and all of that, it

562
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 8: was she stood up differently, She woke up different the

563
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 8: next day, she felt round it. She felt like, Okay,

564
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 8: I'm a tall girl, and she no longer went to

565
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Speaker 8: school feeling like shy about being the tallest girl in

566
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Speaker 8: her class. She was like I saw her slouching a

567
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 8: lot and doing all these things. She she was standing

568
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 8: upright and like feeling good about herself, feeling good in

569
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Speaker 8: her own foundation hills.

570
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Speaker 3: And so for me, it's that sort of.

571
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Speaker 8: Essence that is sometimes undescribable that you can sort of.

572
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Speaker 3: Provide for.

573
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Speaker 8: A young person that allows them to change their outlook

574
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Speaker 8: on themselves self esteem, And I think that's what it is.

575
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Speaker 8: I think in the bigger picture, is the confidence.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone plays sports here, and I

577
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Speaker 1: don't want to make it seem like it's just an

578
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: inside basketball conversation, But what McLane describes is what so

579
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: many of us who didn't play sports, or who wanted

580
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: to play sports, You find yourself when in a community

581
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Speaker 1: of women who look like you, think like you, who

582
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: have the same ideas. You're not necessarily the same goals,

583
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: but the same ideas and the idea of art arena

584
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: coming together giving a home for women who want to

585
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: ultimately have equity, who want to be able, to be

586
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: seen and celebrated is something that is special. Does that

587
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Speaker 1: conversation that what she just said, does that resonate for you?

588
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: But because he also has a daughter who just turned

589
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Speaker 1: I think two, maybe turning three, two and a half,

590
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Speaker 1: so you understand what it feels like to perhaps have

591
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Speaker 1: a tall child on your hands, a tall little girl

592
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Speaker 1: on your hands.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 6: I was just like, I couldn't stop smiling when you

595
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 6: were talking about that story because I did not have

596
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 6: a tall mom, and I was always the tallest, and

597
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Speaker 6: so sports really helped me gain my confidence because I

598
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 6: was surrounded by people that look like me, and so

599
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Speaker 6: the fact that she found that through basketball is really

600
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Speaker 6: like such a huge important thing to me because I

601
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 6: love kids, and especially now I have a daughter, I

602
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 6: think about that constantly. I'm like, she's already in the

603
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Speaker 6: ninety ninth percentile, she's taller than three year olds. I'm like,

604
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Speaker 6: you know how hard it is as a kid. And

605
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Speaker 6: that's why it was really important for me to have

606
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 6: kids while I was still playing, so they could be

607
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 6: surrounded by really strong people who are secure in themselves,

608
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 6: so they could grow up in that environment because I

609
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 6: didn't feel like I grew up that way. So it's

610
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Speaker 6: just like it it kind of validates like everything that

611
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 6: you were hoping for, like through your story. So that

612
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 6: was really special. So yeah, it just kind of made

613
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: me feel warm and fuzzy hearing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, we all felt that way, Kennedy when

615
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: when they talk when we talk about art arena, you

616
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: understand the idea of what it is, but there also

617
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: is the challenge and you look at where you are

618
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: now when you first started, when you very when you

619
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: first started, and you said, Michelean put you on right,

620
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean you should, I mean I did.

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Speaker 8: I mean I was introduced to Kennedy by Derek Adams.

622
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Speaker 3: She's like, give me the mic. I mean, I will.

623
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Speaker 3: I'm not no, I was introduced to you by Derek Adams.

624
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: But to me, it's always about the.

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Speaker 8: Work, you know what I mean, and the work ethic

626
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 8: and the talent and all of that. To me, it's like,

627
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Speaker 8: I don't really I'm not really interested in working with

628
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 8: artists that don't put the work in.

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Speaker 3: And you know what I mean.

630
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Speaker 9: And I saw that you saw me, and you saw

631
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 9: me jump out to your truck, and You're like, this

632
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 9: bitch is crazy.

633
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah you are, but but what's going on?

634
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 8: All artists are who I mean, you were crazy to

635
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 8: be doing and a radical thing to be and you

636
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 8: have always been you know, you shown me the way

637
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 8: to be and exist and shown me how to live

638
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 8: as an artist. And I think the word that I

639
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 8: hear kind of streamlining through all of this is confirmation.

640
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 8: And there's nothing like having someone confirm something that felt like,

641
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 8: am I crazy?

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00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: Is this okay?

643
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Like?

644
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: Can I do it this way? And I was?

645
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 9: And I always I'm always doing things differently and I'm

646
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 9: always doing things on the edge. And unfortunately for me,

647
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 9: I feel very comfortable in that state of rebellion, you know,

648
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 9: but it's really really wonderful to have people that you

649
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 9: can look at. But what was the question you were

650
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 9: to ask me about from when I was beginning.

651
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, sharing the mic, guys, this is what we do.

652
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: We share the mic. It's about a community.

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00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: It's community here and confirmation. I just as you listen

654
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: to this story and the work, confirmation is actually apropos.

655
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Speaker 1: So let's focus on that when you think about what

656
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: you've been able to do and the world ahead and

657
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: what you want to be as an artist or what

658
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: you would like to envision for artists who are coming

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Speaker 1: behind you, as how mchaeleen opened the door, helped you,

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Speaker 1: or whatever word she'd like to use for it. What

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Speaker 1: would you like to see Because we've been talking about challenge,

662
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Speaker 1: but what about that confirmation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I mean, well, so when Micklean and I met, you know,

665
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 9: i'd been working for fifteen years already at that point,

666
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 9: so I had been working for a while. And again,

667
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 9: you know, having access to the network, having access to money,

668
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 9: having access to getting people in front of your works,

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00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 9: it is a hustle that takes you out of your

670
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 9: practice and it takes you out of your art mind

671
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 9: and out of your you know, one of the things

672
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Speaker 9: that I really believe in in the creative process in

673
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 9: making is that the best ideas come when one is held,

674
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 9: when your body is at rest, when you are clear,

675
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 9: when your room is clean. It's so much easier to

676
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 9: be able to receive. And if you can stay in

677
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 9: that process and stay in that work, the work just

678
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 9: gets better and fuller and over time no matter what

679
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 9: it happens. I think for me as an artist, and

680
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 9: what I'm so excited about seeing the artists that are

681
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 9: a generation ahead of me is that every single one

682
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 9: of them that has been offered equity has made space

683
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Speaker 9: for other artists and for great ideas. And so, you know,

684
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 9: I have sculpture practice, so I work very very large

685
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 9: and the logistics and the statistics about just literally moving

686
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 9: those things from place to place as an entire job

687
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 9: in itself.

688
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Speaker 3: So I really enjoy building teams. It's something that I

689
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: love to do. I love to watch people blossom.

690
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 9: I love to watch, you know, people grow and learn

691
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 9: and facilitate environments for cultivation in that way. So I've

692
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 9: got some fun projects that I'm working on, But I

693
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 9: really do believe that it's important for artists to talk

694
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 9: about money and for artists to understand business and to

695
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 9: understand how to navigate in that space. For a really

696
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 9: long time, and I'd really say, even just a couple

697
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 9: of years ago, it was so inappropriate to have that conversation.

698
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 9: And it's so not okay for artists becoming and graduating

699
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 9: from the MFA programs two hundred thousand dollars in debt

700
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 9: and none of them have work, and none of them

701
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 9: know how to promote themselves or how to talk about

702
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Speaker 9: their work.

703
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: And you know, another great.

704
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Speaker 9: Program that you guys made was the Arts at pret

705
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 9: the Art for pret Forward, where they were teaching business

706
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 9: management to artists and how to handle their selves. And

707
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 9: you know, as women negotiating in spaces, having to sit

708
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 9: strong and sit and not blink when you say that number,

709
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 9: you know, it's really important to understand that and also

710
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 9: to recognize when you're being taken advantage of.

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Speaker 3: I'm so triggered.

712
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to no it is, but I don't blink.

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Speaker 7: Say your number power hard.

714
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Speaker 9: But really it's it's about don't question, don't don't question.

715
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 9: But I mean, I really I think it's a certain

716
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 9: kind of restraint in understanding like.

717
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: What am I going to perform and if I am.

718
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 9: Like I'm only going to give it this much energy,

719
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 9: you know, and like really like for me at this point,

720
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 9: like I'm really trying to to hold on to the

721
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 9: values of my life and my person and the legacy

722
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Speaker 9: that I would like to be a part of and

723
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 9: to to offer my time and my attention to. But

724
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Speaker 9: I'm really excited about the future. I mean, I I

725
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 9: don't think artists have ever had as much power, as

726
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 9: much capability, as much access as we do right now.

727
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 9: We have direct relationships with our audience, and it's a

728
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 9: really beautiful and special time for us. And the space

729
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 9: that the generation before has made in their mentorship, in

730
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 9: the programs like Art Arena that are being created. I mean,

731
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 9: it's just it's gonna blow the doors open. So I'm

732
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 9: really excited about that. To that end, we yes, please

733
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 9: clam for that. Don't blink, ladies, say your number.

734
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Speaker 3: Don't blink.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports back in a moment. Welcome back to Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you listening to our live taped episode from

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Speaker 1: Art Basel in Miami. I've asked panelist, multimedia artists and sculptor,

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Speaker 1: Kennedy Anko, artist and creative director, Mikaeline Thomas, w NBA

739
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: star and co founder of Unrivaled, the New Women's Basketball

740
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: League nafi's the Collier to talk about equity and the

741
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: value they have in a male dominated industry. We had

742
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Speaker 1: this conversation earlier and I'd like to strut with you,

743
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: but I would like you all to answer, there comes

744
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Speaker 1: a time in your life, no matter what you do,

745
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: but there comes a time in your life when you

746
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: are asking to be seen. And then once you're seen,

747
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: you have proven yourself, and then you become an entity,

748
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: You become a business, You become the person putting other

749
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Speaker 1: people on. As you described, what is that dynamic like

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Speaker 1: for you in the art world, specifically when you no

751
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Speaker 1: longer and not that I can say no longer, but

752
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: let me use this in broad terms.

753
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: When you no longer say hey, please see me, you

754
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: say now pay me.

755
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Now it's pay me, don't see me, but pay me

756
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: because I am who I am and I am proven.

757
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: How does that dynamic change? And is it uncomfortable for you?

758
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Speaker 3: Very uncomfortable?

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00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 9: Well, I mean I think that the word restraint is

760
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 9: really a big word around that, you know, it's like

761
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 9: understanding my time management where I'm going. But I think

762
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 9: in general, you know, fame is allowing yourself to be

763
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 9: seen by people and accepting that and being able to

764
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 9: be in your light and to be in your shine

765
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Speaker 9: and have people look at you while you do that,

766
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 9: and that.

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Speaker 3: Is very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 9: And I think for so much of my life as

769
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 9: an artist, you know, when I first started entering the

770
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 9: fine art market, like I people would just look through me,

771
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 9: you know, and I shaved my head, I stopped wearing makeup,

772
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 9: and then people actually started listening what I was saying.

773
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Speaker 9: And I think for a very long time, I mean,

774
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 9: the art world is a very discreet place.

775
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: It's very private. I think it's very new for artists

776
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: to be working with brands. You know.

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Speaker 9: Micklean was at the forefront of making opening that those

778
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 9: doors for us and making it okay and acceptable.

779
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: And I really do think.

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Speaker 9: That it's there's there's a whole new world that's opening

781
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 9: up to the art, to the art and to fine

782
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 9: art that really wasn't.

783
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 3: Allowed before in a way.

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Speaker 9: But I also do think that there's a responsibility with that,

785
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 9: you know, I think there's a responsibility when you are

786
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 9: being looked at by a lot of people. Not to

787
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 9: put pressure on myself or anyone else, but to take

788
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 9: stride in that space that this is.

789
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Speaker 3: But but I have to really.

790
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 9: Hone in on myself as an artist. I have mentors

791
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 9: who are monks in the studio. I mean, they're laboring

792
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 9: eighteen hours a day, They're working in a different way,

793
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 9: and I wanted to be just like them, you know,

794
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 9: But I realized, like, oh, but that's not who I am.

795
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: I'm a different kind of artist. I work in a

796
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: different way. I have different talents, different skill sets, you know.

797
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 9: So for me, it was really about and it is

798
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 9: about refining and continuing to really understand I don't want

799
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 9: to say persona, but I think you do become a

800
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 9: persona in a way where it's like, these are probably

801
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 9: some things about you that are just exact like bigger,

802
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 9: you know.

803
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: And so for me it's like what's easy for me?

804
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 9: And how how do I make that part of myself

805
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 9: that's lighted available and then to share that in some way.

806
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 9: But I think for a long time it was I

807
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 9: really did struggle with not with plumbing my shoulders or

808
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 9: standing smaller or trying to make other people feel comfortable,

809
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 9: and I think for me just like kind of getting

810
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 9: to the other side of that has not only allowed

811
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 9: me to feel better in myself but allowed me to

812
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 9: share in a much greater way by allowing myself to

813
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 9: be seen in my light.

814
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 8: What do you think it shipped for you that sort

815
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 8: of transition or transformation from not be it in your

816
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 8: light or you are in the light, but you see

817
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 8: yourself in the light.

818
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 9: I think a lot of the times people would always

819
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 9: be like, well, don't be bigger than your work, like,

820
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 9: don't be bigger than your art. And for me, I

821
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 9: was like, all right, fine, but like let me, let

822
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 9: let me make my art real.

823
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: Good, so y'all can sit down.

824
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 9: But I think the last couple of years, you know,

825
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 9: the Rebel residency gave me a lot of confidence and artists,

826
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Speaker 9: not only to the kind of visibility that came from that,

827
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 9: but to be able to flex at scale, to be

828
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 9: able to work at scale for the first time, to

829
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 9: know that that thing was inside of me and then

830
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 9: to be able to let it out was so big

831
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 9: and also just coming into my woman too. You know,

832
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Speaker 9: I was in the basement in Brooklyn for fifteen years.

833
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 3: You know you're in there.

834
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 9: You look a certain way, you live a certain way.

835
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 9: Having a little bit of money helps, you know.

836
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Speaker 1: Well a cat, little shrip, little designer here and there.

837
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Speaker 9: But yeah, I mean I think coming into my art,

838
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 9: I think my art developing and getting better and being

839
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 9: seen and being heard allowed me to take that space.

840
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 9: And I'm still, you know, still figuring that out every day,

841
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 9: you know, And it's I think.

842
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: It's I don't think it stops.

843
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 8: I think it's always a journey and sort of I

844
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 8: look at life and you know, like myself, just it

845
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 8: comes in different phases and chapters, you know, you know,

846
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 8: just as you evolve, you know, like you said, coming

847
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 8: into your womanhood. You know, like twenty years ago, I

848
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 8: was a different type of person and artist that I

849
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Speaker 8: was than I am today.

850
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Speaker 3: And so would you evolve?

851
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 8: You know, you hope that everything else around you, your

852
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 8: environment shifts accordingly.

853
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's shifted at the same time.

854
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 8: And I think that's when it becomes really incredible.

855
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: But you're able for you know, like especially for me, I.

856
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 8: Get a lot of my inspiration and satisfaction helping others.

857
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 8: It's really important for me to always provide platforms for

858
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 8: other artists and other opportunities and spaces and cultivate that.

859
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 3: I like to think of myself often.

860
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 8: I always say that I'm a conduit of culture, and

861
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 8: I think as athletes and artists, we are conduit to culture.

862
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 8: We are the ones who take risks, we're the most vulnerable.

863
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 8: We put ourselves out there, we are become very vocal,

864
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 8: whether we sort of articulate that creatively or physically right

865
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 8: that we are on sort of this visual platform that's

866
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 8: always scrutinized in question. So I think that lends itself

867
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 8: to a great opportunity to create change, to shift sort

868
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 8: of perception of how you're being seen.

869
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: And when you have that opportunity to not.

870
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 8: Necessarily wait until you made it, Like I didn't understand

871
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 8: when a lot of people say, well, I'm when I

872
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 8: get to a certain place, then I'm going to do

873
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 8: something right. And for me, I always found it very

874
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 8: rewarding to do it as I'm moving forward right because

875
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 8: I never wanted to be at the table by myself.

876
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 8: That's boring. That's a conversation that I don't want to have.

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Speaker 8: I don't I want to look at the table and

878
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 8: see others and see my friends with me, right, so

879
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 8: that we are in a conversation, So that becomes my anchor. Right,

880
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 8: that environment, that community becomes my support system. So that way,

881
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 8: if I do fall, I have a real strong safety

882
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 8: net all back on because we are all at that

883
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 8: table together and seated by yourself and it just doesn't work.

884
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Speaker 3: It's not going.

885
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 8: You know, we've all done, We've all sort of persevered, and.

886
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: I've got here by a lot of hard.

887
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 8: Work and efforts on my own. But I also got

888
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 8: here because there are people who opened the doors for me.

889
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 8: There are people who also had conversations with others or

890
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 8: talked about my work to others. Like my first exhibition

891
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 8: last night, we were here celebrating Derek Adams, and Ronal

892
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 8: Hoffman was here right. Ronal Hoffman is a galleries who've

893
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 8: been in sort of the art world industry, creating space

894
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 8: for many, many types of artists. It was my first

895
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 8: gallery in Chicago. But I would not have gone to

896
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 8: that gallery if it wasn't for another artist, Handy Wiley, right,

897
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 8: who basically told Rona Hoffman you must see her work.

898
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 8: I must bring you to see her to her studio.

899
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 8: And then my second gallery came through another artist what

900
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 8: gauged you move to for Suzanne Wilmeters in Los Angeles.

901
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: So for me, what I'm stating is.

902
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 8: That you do the hard work, but you hope that

903
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 8: your peers also see you doing the hard work and

904
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 8: that they're the ones in conversation that is why need

905
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 8: your net, that they're providing that space for you, because

906
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 8: that is how things really get changed, because you're doing

907
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 8: it as a collective endeavor.

908
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 3: And so all of the.

909
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 8: Things that I set out to do when I started.

910
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 8: You mentioned Pratt Forward as a space for postgraduates and

911
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 8: emerging artists is a professional development program that I initiated

912
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 8: with Pratt Institute as a way because I started really

913
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 8: seeing and looking around and understanding that artists were becoming

914
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 8: very successful because the industry was really growing in a

915
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 8: way for them to make lots of money early in

916
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 8: their career. But what they weren't being successful was maintaining

917
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 8: and sustainability. And so what was happening a lot of

918
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 8: them were failing at the business side of it, and

919
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 8: that was interfering with their creative practices and where they

920
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 8: would get to a point where they did not want

921
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 8: to continue making art or continue their careers because it was,

922
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 8: you know, this sort of collapse, and so creating the

923
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 8: space of professional development with art world leaders became very

924
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 8: important so that they could really understand just some of

925
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 8: the nuance, just like within their own studio practice that

926
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Speaker 8: business of uh, you know, running your studio, having studio assistance,

927
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 8: like all of these becoming an entity, what type of

928
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 8: entity you become?

929
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: So these spaces are important, similar to.

930
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 8: Our arena that we not only have professional development, but

931
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Speaker 8: we also have a larger community of endye with a confirmation,

932
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 8: which to me is a sense of validation, a sense

933
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Speaker 8: of validation of acknowledging the artist.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, but you answered the

935
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Speaker 1: question why is it so important for you to put

936
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: other artists on?

937
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: But you said it.

938
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be at the table by yourself.

939
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: But not only that, you want to teach. You want

940
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: to teach them the business aspect of it, because that's

941
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: what happens as opposed to losing the great artist. And

942
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: anyone who knows you knows that she will be an

943
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: advocate for you, loud and proud. So a friend of

944
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: mquean is a friend of everyone's right. Thank you so much.

945
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes not everybody. I'm very selective. I want to In short,

946
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: she's not talking to anybody in the room after we leave.

947
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: No kidding, I care, I'm joking. I do want to say, state,

948
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: we have to go. I did get a five minute

949
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: wrap ten minutes ago. Fee have my bag. She's like

950
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: five minutes. We're I mean when I tell you we

951
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: are bonded up here, we're sharing the mics, we love

952
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: one another. I don't want us to forget what Kennedy

953
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: said flex for scale. I'm taking that with me. Don't blink.

954
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Say your number, ladies, and don't blink, just like I

955
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: was thinking this. I was thinking this, and slide them

956
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: the envelope and then just leave right here. And also, Fee,

957
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: I want to. In the same vein in which McLean

958
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: just discussed how she wants to keep artists in the

959
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: world and teach them the business aspect, I think what

960
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: you're doing for athletes, female athletes more specifically is special.

961
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: There has been this world that says, yes, please give

962
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: it up. This idea that we can ask for healthcare,

963
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: we can ask for childcare, all of the things that

964
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: you feel embarrassed to ask for, and Kennedy said it

965
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: do you think I'm crazy asking for a childcare? Is

966
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: this am I asking for too much? Just the basics?

967
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: Is that too much? And I think that's something an

968
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: imprint that a lot of women wear in all industries.

969
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: So creating Unrivaled for women so they don't have to

970
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: travel overseas and they can be at home with their

971
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: family and they can start a life for themselves where

972
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: they can actually live and not have a roommate. Remember

973
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: she said she was in a basement. Most I hear

974
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: WNBA players tell me all the time, I have a

975
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: roommate and I'd like to live on my own as

976
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: a grown adult. So thank you for what you are doing.

977
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: And I didn't know if you wanted to add anything

978
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: about Unrivaled or what the future looks like for you

979
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: in your world as we.

980
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 7: Rap, I mean, not about Unrivaled unless you know.

981
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

982
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 6: I think I explained in the beginning, but just I

983
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 6: think the idea of it. I'm just so excited just

984
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 6: from what everyone spoke about today. Again, we're traveling in

985
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 6: different lanes, but we're trying to head to the same place,

986
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 6: and that is really what the vision was with Unrivaled,

987
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 6: Just giving people an opportunity to create their art, which

988
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 6: is ours is on the court, and be able to

989
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 6: profit off of that and to create generational wealth is

990
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 6: our ultimate.

991
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 7: Goal for these women's, for these women players.

992
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: We want the same contracts. I want a four year,

993
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: two hundred million dollar contract.

994
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: Is that possible.

995
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 7: It's in the works, right, Okay, If they're.

996
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: Doing it in the NBA, can we do it in

997
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: the WNBA.

998
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 7: We're in the works. We're gonna get there.

999
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

1000
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: Again, just like so like humbled and thankful to be

1001
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 6: with you guys, And I just feel like I relate

1002
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 6: to what you're saying so much. Again, our art might

1003
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 6: present differently, but what we feel is so similar. And

1004
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 6: so I think it's so powerful that you have so

1005
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 6: many women traveling in the same direction no matter what

1006
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 6: field we're on.

1007
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm trying to do in my field, That's.

1008
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 6: What you're doing in yours, That's what you guys are

1009
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 6: doing in yours, And so it's really cool to come

1010
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 6: together with this in so many different arenas, but yet

1011
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 6: we're so similar in our same thing, where we're heading

1012
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 6: in the same direction through art.

1013
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.

1014
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: That's why it's odd arena art arena ladies and gentlemen,

1015
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: please give it up.

1016
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 3: You want to add something, Oh, I.

1017
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 8: Just wanted to say it's all the touched on it

1018
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 8: earlier to say thank you all for coming out because

1019
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 8: it is a big week and bity of you have

1020
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 8: other options and really appreciate you showing up here for

1021
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 8: this conversation. And I don't know, just thank you, thank

1022
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 8: you for being here.

1023
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Speaker 1: Thank you all for being here. Mi chi A Zelda,

1024
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: thank you both. I appreciate you, Woe Otto, Ana Lindsey,

1025
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: thank you, Nafisa Collier, Mikaelin Thomas and Kennedy Yanko. Please

1026
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: give it up for these ladies. I'm Carrie Champion. We

1027
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: are grateful that you came out. Ja. We really truly

1028
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: appreciate you all for listening to our show on the road.

1029
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: The conversation was the art of the challenge. I hope

1030
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: you feel inspired and or activated to do something that

1031
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: tells your story through an artistic expression. Again, I appreciate

1032
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: you listening and I'll talk to you all next week.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carry Champion,

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Speaker 1: produced by Jock VI's Thomas sound Design, and mastered by

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Crawford associate producer Olubusayl. Shabby Naked Sports is a

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