1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: In one sense, I'm surprised so many rookies are debuting. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm just in the opposite sense, I'm not surprised it's early, 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: because I thought this would be the window, if at all. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: I am never not gonna bob my head when our 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: song comes on. I love our show music. Hello everybody, 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: and welcome to the live edition on this Thursday afternoon 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: of Dodgers territory. That is my pal, Clint Pesis. I 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: am your co host, Alana Rizzo. Clint, the Dodgers have 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: a day off today before they welcome in the New 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: York Mets. What's on your mind? 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: It's a much needed day off, and I will tell 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 3: you these Dodgers are driving me to drinking. So not 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 3: a sponsor, but I'll be pouring up as we throw 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: to the big ticket here. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: Oh man, you're getting on a thirsty Thursday before even 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: your show, even before all Dodgers hits the airwaves. All right, 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: let's get to that big hit. Of course, you've got 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: a lot to talk about when it comes to that. 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: And it does appear, Clint, that the Dodgers bats can 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: go silent. What did you notice from top to bottom 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: as far as the offense is concerned over the last 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: few days. 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, just early season low. 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: I think the excitement of the start of the new 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: season has kind of waned. It's kind of worn off. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: Could not have timed a better off day, could have 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: timed a better team to go be facing in the 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: surging Mets, but just not a very cohesive feeling. 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: One through nine at the moment. 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: And then you know, you mix in so many little 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: pitching injuries, problems, trying to piece meal, you know, some 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: innings coverage. Everything kind of snowballed into Please. 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 4: Just get us to Thursday. 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: And I'm sure they also are popping bottles on their 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: flight to New York. But it was a tough little 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: series there against the Washington Nationals. 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 4: What did you like? What did you not like about 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: that series? 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: Well, I don't like that the bats are cold, But 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: I'm certainly not going to say that the sky is 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: falling right now. I mean, my goodness, it's April eighteenth, guys, 42 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: let's calm down a little bit. What is interesting, though, 43 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: is the bottom of the order to me, still is 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: struggling just as much as the bottom of the order 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: was last season. I think that was the biggest thing 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: we knew the top of the order. Of course, was 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: gonna be good with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman and 48 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: you know Max Munsey, Will Smith and now you factor 49 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: show Heyo Tani is in that lineup too. But Clint 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: he is not hitting. Now, I will say this, he 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 2: does have a lot of loud out so perhaps it's 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: not time to panic with show Hey. But coming into 53 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: this game today he was one for nineteen with runners 54 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: in scoring not today tomorrow's game. One for nineteen with 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: runners in scoring position with four strikeouts. He's not hitting 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: when guys are on base in front of him, so 57 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: is that problematic? I mean three times tonight Dodgers D eight, 58 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 2: show Heyo Tani has come up with runners in scoring position. 59 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: In three times he's swung at the first pitch, producing 60 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: a one hundred and eight mile per hour groundhout to second, 61 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: a routine grounder to second, and a fly ball TOI 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: to center. He is one for nineteen, as I just mentioned, 63 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: with runners in the scoring position in a two to 64 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: eighty nine career with runners in the scoring position. That's 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: from Mike Di Giovanna, who does a great job covering 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: not only the Dodgers, but the Angels. As well. So again, 67 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: is it an issue or is he unlucky? 68 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's it's probably leaning more unlucky. 69 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: We know it takes time for the law of averages 70 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: to come into effect in baseball. He got off to 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: a slow start to begin the season, then caught on fire. 72 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: I'm not overly worried about the situation with with shoey 73 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: Otani and this runners in scoring in position. 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: Issue, we'll call it. 75 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: What I am more worried about is the potential of 76 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: We heard from Dave Roberts that they might they're going 77 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: to talk to him, They're going to try to maybe 78 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: change up the game plan. He is swinging at the 79 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: first pitch a whole lot, maybe working some counts. I 80 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: don't know that I like that idea. 81 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: I don't know. 82 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of telling somebody who's hitting three 83 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: p forty one posting an ops over one thousand, to 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: be like, no, we don't like what you're doing. Change 85 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: up your approach. Maybe he's not the time he'll start 86 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: driving in some runners along the way. Let's see, we 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: got one threebo there talking about being one for nineteen. 88 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: With runners in scoring position, there's not much you can 89 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 3: do in that situation. That's my opinion on it. You 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: you share a similar view or what are your thoughts. 91 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to him taking a pitch. I'm not 92 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: opposed to him working account to get a bit more 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: comfortable at the plate. I mean, there are certain guys 94 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: that you're never going to change their philosophy as far 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: as being ready to when they step into the box 96 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: to swing at the first pitch. Just thinking of Dodgers, 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: no More Garciapara and Corey Seeker. Those guys get into 98 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: the box as if they already have two strikes on 99 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: them and they're always ready to swing at the first pitch. 100 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: I'm not going to change that philosophy for either one 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: of those guys. I'm not certain that that's he is 102 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: there yet. I wouldn't mind if he, you know, he 103 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: took a pitch and kind of settled into the app 104 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: bat a little bit again, if it's a meatball right 105 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: down the middle, or if he knows it's something that 106 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: he absolutely can crush. Of course, I'm not saying leave 107 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: the bat on your shoulder, but I'm not opposed to 108 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: maybe changing up your approach, maybe more of a two 109 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: strike approach in those situations with guys on base. Again, 110 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: it's April a teeth. I'm not freaking out, but it 111 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: is more magnified when the Dodgers obviously have this giant 112 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: offense and a lineup that you looked at coming into 113 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: the season one through nine, you're like, man, this is 114 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: pretty potent. But what I like about what the Atlanta 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: Braves do is that Brian snicker Clint runs the same 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: exact guys out there every single day. You always know 117 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: where Austin Riley's going to be in the lineup. You 118 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: always know where obviously uh Acunia is going to be 119 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: Albe's before he got hurt. You know those types of things. 120 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: Is there something to be said about the continuity? Okay, 121 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: enough with the fire. Dave Roberts, Okay, got that out 122 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: of my system. The right field pavilion, stop it, stop it. 123 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: Listen. 124 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: You're on Instagram. I mean what we call this YouTube. 125 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: You're on YouTube. You're gonna get those comments. 126 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: Well, no, that's what listen. I appreciate everyone has the 127 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: right to their opinion. I just think it's funny Washington's 128 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: second baseman took three hit away from the Yeah, I 129 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: mean again, there there Craig, I hear you. There were 130 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: some unlucky plays. I mean, you got to hit them 131 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: where they ate, right, You gotta make sure that you 132 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: find the grass, not the defender. Some of it's unlucky. 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: I get it, but that still doesn't erase the fact 134 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: that the bottom of the order is not hitting. And 135 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Andy Pajas uh you know 136 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: era has started because they're trying to inject something into 137 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: that lineup. 138 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's almost uh I mean, is it 139 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: is in part because of those bottom four? 140 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 4: Really? 141 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: Whoever is really in the bottom three, there's that rotation 142 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 3: of four dudes. They have been struggling. They have been 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: to the terrible if we're not going to mince words, 144 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: they've been terrible. With James Outman, who's had some kind 145 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: of positive in there. 146 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 4: Gavin Lux not very good. We see on the screen 147 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: there hitting one. 148 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: Forty eight as he is coming off of injury, so 149 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: you wonder if you have to give him a. 150 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: Little bit of leeway. 151 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: Paes got a knock in his first at bat. I 152 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 3: think he's zero for since. But bottom of the lineup 153 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: with a one seventy combined average one through three and 154 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: that's key K. That's of course one for thirty three. 155 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: Chris Taylor, who we talked about on Monday, continues to 156 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: be a problem. And it hit a point where Dave 157 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: can't just keep running Chris Taylor out there and he'll 158 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: figure it out. You can't just keep running Kicky Hernandez 159 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: out there. Oh don't worry. These guys have track records. 160 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: They're going to figure it out. And yes, Ki k 161 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: hit a homer this week, but you got to try 162 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: to change something. And when you have this kid Andy 163 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: Pahes tearing up Triple A hitting or Triple A pitching, 164 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: you gotta see what he can do in the lineup, 165 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: especially with Jason Hayward now out for a longer period 166 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: of time. 167 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: This isough. You already try to inject a kid that 168 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: has no big league experience over guys that have a 169 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: lot of big league experience. I mean, I can understand 170 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: a couple, you know, forty to fifty games in. Is 171 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: it too soon? Are you thinking, Okay, I'm ready to 172 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: see what this kid that's crushing it in Triple A 173 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: can do at the big league level. 174 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: I mean it's a it's a combination. It's probably too soon. 175 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: But it's it's sort of what what needed to happen, 176 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: I guess, or the cards that this lineup sort of 177 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: dealt itself in that those four guys rotating in those 178 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: bottom three spots are not producing, and this guy's producing. 179 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: You want them to. You want people a Triple A, 180 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: players at Triple A who are doing well to feel 181 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: like if they play well, they can earn a promotion. 182 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: You would hope to get him a little bit more 183 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: Triple A time being Andy pae has, but it doesn't 184 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: hurt to get him that first cup of coffee. Maybe 185 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: get it out of the way, and he's somebody who 186 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: could go back down to Triple A and come back 187 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: maybe and help the team later on this season. So 188 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: it's not the most ideal time, but it's just the 189 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: situation that kind of unfolded for this team that's trying 190 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: to manufacture, trying to create offense with whatever they have. 191 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: And let us not forget that some of the game's 192 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: greats were sent back down. I mean, everyone you know 193 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: had this unbelievable anticipation and expectation for Jackson Holliday and 194 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: he hasn't gotten off to the start that many people 195 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: had hoped he could easily get sent back down. Remember 196 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 2: Clayton Kershaw was sent back down. Clayton Kershaw, who is 197 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer, was sent back down. 198 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 2: It is very difficult to get to the show. It's 199 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: even harder to stay in the show and produce while 200 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: you're at this level. So there was a funny tweet 201 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: from Dodgers Andrew that says, has anybody tried to unplug 202 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: the Dodgers and plug them back in? It's so funny 203 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: how we have these expectations, Clint, that we should every 204 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: single guy in the lineup should go four for five, 205 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: five for five, hit twenty seven home runs. You know, 206 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: we often forget and I do think there's Dodgers Andrew, 207 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: thanks for the conversation and being with us here on Dodgers' territory. 208 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: Anderw Is. I think it's so funny how sometimes we 209 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: forget that these guys are human before their players. We 210 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: look at them as robots and this is a difficult game. 211 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: But we're also unbelievably spoilt. This is a team that's 212 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: a perennial contender. They constantly spend money, they constantly put 213 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: together a good product. So it's like you have this 214 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: expectation and anticipation that they're going to be flawless. That's 215 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: not the case. 216 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think sports fandom is just that way. We 217 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: all expect everybody to be perfect, and if things aren't 218 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: going great, you know, pitchforks, torches, get the masses, bring 219 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: him to Dodger Stadium, fire Dave Roberts, fire Mark Walter, 220 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: and everybody else. For the Dodgers being only twelve and 221 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: nine the open of a season where they're missing let's say, 222 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 3: half of their pitching staff. They don't have Jason Hayward, 223 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: they have a kid at second base who is supposed 224 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: to be the shortstop who's coming off of a knee 225 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: injury and has a lot of expectations on him over 226 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: the years. James Outman coming into the season with a 227 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: lot of weight on his shoulders to be the starting centerfielder. 228 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 3: As he still go online every day, You're going to 229 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: see people being like, oh, we should have signed Cody 230 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: Bellinger back. Cody's not doing that great to open the season. 231 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: And this is just how baseball goes. 232 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: You didn't expect them to go a perfect you know, 233 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 3: twenty one for twenty one to open the season. If anything, 234 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: you kind of hoped they would be a little bit 235 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: lower in the pack just to I'll spice it up. 236 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: This team doesn't need to win the National League West. 237 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: Makes it a lot more fun if you win the 238 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 3: National League West again. But I'm I'm not hitting the 239 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: panic switch yet. I know a lot of fans want to. 240 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: I'm not hitting it yet because you're still winning, You're 241 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 3: doing you're working with what you have. 242 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: I mean, it's April eighteen, folks, Calm down. I mean 243 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: we're gonna win the nl WES. I have no doubt 244 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: about that. Jeff Spiegel does a tremendous job for Dodger 245 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: Blue and Clint I know you know him well. We're 246 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 2: happy to have him on Dodger's territory today. How are you, Jeff? Welcome. 247 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: I'm privileged to be here. Thanks for having me on. 248 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: I know we've had I've had individual conversations with both 249 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: of you on different shows over the years, so it's 250 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: good to be here talking Dodger baseball. 251 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 4: Jeff. 252 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: Of course, the host of Dodger heads on Dodger Blue 253 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: appreciate you hanging out with us. 254 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 4: Jeff. Is it time to fire Dave Roberts? 255 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: I caught the tail end of what you were saying 256 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: just before I jumped on, and I'm with Alana firmly 257 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: in the It's April eighteenth. Can we take a deep breath, folks? 258 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: The Dodgers are winning the division? What are we panicking about? 259 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: And so look, I mean, you guys know this because 260 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: you're in this space. The easiest thing would be to 261 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: get on here and say fire Dave Roberts. You get 262 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: a ton of thumbs up in the comments and a 263 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: ton of likes. But I just keep coming back to 264 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: he has the best winning percentage of any manager in 265 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: Major League history. He's not perfect by any stretch of 266 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: the imagination, but I think given you know the things 267 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: that people tend to be mad about, especially this time 268 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: of year, bullpen usage, that kind of thing, I just 269 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if there are obvious solutions that some 270 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: other manager would have pulled the strings in a different 271 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: way and had the same success. So to answer the question, 272 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: I am not on Dave Roberts, Fire Dave Roberts. 273 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: But you are on the why isn't James Outman in 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: the lineup instead of Chris Taylor train? Tell me more 275 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: about that, Jeff, how would you construct this lineup dealing 276 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: with the certain injuries that they have in lack of 277 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: production elsewhere. 278 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, this was a funny one where I was 279 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: arguing with myself, as you could see in the tweet 280 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: if you're watching on YouTube, everyone needs to relax. It's 281 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: only April. Also, why is James Outman out of the 282 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: lineup and Chris Taylor in it? 283 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 284 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look, they won that game, so I guess 285 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm the idiot there because they ended up winning that one. 286 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: The Outman thing is baffling to me. We did a 287 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: bold Predictions sort of segment on our show at the 288 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: beginning of the year, and one of our guys, Blake, said, 289 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: I think James Outman's going to be a platoon guy. 290 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: Right after I said James Outen's going to be like 291 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: a four win player, I was like, come on, they're 292 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: not going to platoon him. And then Dave Roberts confirmed 293 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: that I was right that he was not going to 294 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: be a platoon player. And then Dave Roberts also confirmed 295 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: that Blake was right because he has been benched against 296 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: every single lefty they've faced this year, So I don't 297 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: know what to make of that. I'm pro James Outman. 298 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel. I think he's 299 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: the most unlucky Dodger on the roster. I think he's 300 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: been better than the numbers indicate. But but yeah, the 301 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: bottom of the order has definitely been worse than expected. 302 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, we know that right now. 303 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: The kind of adage is trust the process for the 304 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: Dodgers that it's very early. But are you surprised to 305 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: see so many rookies kind of coming up? And you know, 306 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: I mean, they're forced to be contributors at this point. 307 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: We were talked a little bit Andy Paie Is earlier 308 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: in the show, Ricky Banasko being a hero for the 309 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 3: team Land and Nax settling in is it. 310 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: Did you expect this this early? 311 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting because in many ways, if these guys were 312 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: going to come up, it was going to be at 313 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, especially on the pitching side, 314 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: because you knew Buehler, Kershaw may all starters that could 315 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: come back at some point. We thought Emmitt Shehan might 316 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: be back quicker than it sounds like he will be. 317 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: And then even on the offensive side, you just felt 318 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: like if there were real holes a few months from now, 319 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: they're probably going to try and solve those from outside 320 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: the organization rather than inside. So in one sense, I'm 321 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: surprised so many rookies are debuting. I'm just in the 322 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: opposite sense, I'm not surprised it's early, because I thought 323 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: this would be the window if at all. 324 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: You know, when we think of the Dodgers, Jeff, we 325 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: think of how strong their farm system is and how 326 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: much this team never has to really rebuild. They just reload. 327 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: But it's getting to the point where I feel like 328 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: we're going to see every single prospect before May second, 329 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: because they do keep trying to inject, you know, some 330 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: of this youth into the bottom of the lineup. But 331 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: I still have faith that Chris Taylor can figure it out. 332 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: I don't know one for thirty three. I mean, this 333 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: is unbelievable to start the season, but this is a 334 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: guy that's had some brilliant moments in a Dodger's uniform. 335 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: This is also a guy that they gave a hefty 336 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: extension to with some serious coin. Not Shoho tani coin, 337 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: not Yamamato coin, not glasnow coin. But still, what do 338 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: you do you put on your managerial cap, what do 339 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: you do with CT. 340 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: So Taylor, I've said before, I think one of the 341 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: things that hurts him is that when he's down bad, 342 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: it looks worse for him than just about anybody else 343 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: because of how unique his swing and all of the 344 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: pieces involved. It's not that he is necessarily dramatically worse. 345 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: It's that it just the optics are bad for Chris Taylor. 346 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: Here's here's the plus side for Chris Taylor. Okay, last season, 347 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: he finished the year with a one ZHO four weighted 348 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: runs created plus he was an above average offensive player. 349 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: That's probably gonna surprise some people. But if you go 350 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: back and look at some of his splits last year 351 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: in March and April, he hit one sixty seven with 352 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: thirty strikeouts and sixty six at bats. So now one 353 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: sixty seven is very different than twenty nine or whatever 354 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: the number we're looking at is now. But the point 355 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: is he was really really bad last March in April, 356 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: and he finished the year as an above average offensive player, 357 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: even taking into account the rough start that he got 358 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: off to. So I wouldn't say I'm overly confident we're 359 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: going to get back there, but I do think if 360 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: you want to be optimistic of Chris Taylor. There's a 361 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: pathway to talking yourself into sort of him being to 362 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: write the ship. 363 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 4: Oh we're talking Chris Taylor. I got to have a 364 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 4: sip here of the of the old whiskey. 365 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: But if we're talking to Taylor for a second, do 366 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: you think there is a world where yeah, it's not 367 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: it frowned upon, But do you think there's a world 368 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 3: do you think there's some sort of scenario where we 369 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: could see a phantom il stint in him, maybe just 370 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: kind of getting a blow as Dave Roberts might call it. 371 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: Look, the Dodgers, I mean phantom Iel clan. I'm insulted 372 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: that you would assume the Dodgers wouldever put somebody on 373 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: the injured list without them actually being injured. Look, I 374 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: think I think we're getting close. I think we're getting close. 375 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: I think depending on Jason Hayward's timeline and what Andy 376 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: pa Haes is able to do. He got a hit 377 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: in his first at bat. It kind of has been 378 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: downhill since then. But if Pahes can give them something 379 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: when Jason Hayward needs to come back, they're going to 380 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: have to rearrange the chairs on the deck, so to speak. 381 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: If Taylor is still down as bad as it looks 382 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: right now. I could say I could see them saying, hey, 383 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: let's take a couple of weeks clear the mind, you know, 384 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: his shoulders giving him trouble and seeing if a reset 385 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: would help. But I don't think it's crazy given a 386 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: the Dodgers track record, and be just just how bad 387 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: it looks for Taylor. 388 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: Right now we're talking with Jeff Spiegel, who does such 389 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: a great job covering this team. Noah or Taga wants 390 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 2: to say this CT three in twenty twenty one massive 391 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: slump and a walk off home run and a game 392 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: with three home runs. I believe in him, and Noah 393 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: so do I. Now. I do understand though, And Jeff, 394 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 2: you were talking about the fact that last year CT 395 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: had a rough start, but then he finished as a 396 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: plus offensive player. But he also got to play a 397 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: lot more last year than he's getting the opportunity to 398 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: play this year. Does that factor into your thought process? 399 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've long said and I've used this 400 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: argument more for a guy like James Outman and the 401 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: way they handle players like him. I just don't love, 402 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, whatever the analytics say about platoons and that 403 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: kind of thing. There has to be a mental side 404 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: to not getting reps every single day that I just 405 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: I think it has to help to be in the 406 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: lineup every single day. Now, Taylor, i will say, has 407 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: kind of been able to make it work in spite 408 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: of that. His career is kind of made up of 409 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: not really being the everyday guy over the last few 410 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: years for the Dodgers, not playing the same position every 411 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: single day, and yet he's still made it work. And 412 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure if I would I would point 413 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: to that as part of the problem for him, because 414 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: I think even when we were talking, we were joking 415 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: about the lineup the other day against Patrick Corbin, like, 416 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: I think the reason he was in there is because 417 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: the Dodgers were like, hey, Patrick Corbin's on the mound 418 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: for the Nationals. You know, this is an opportunity for 419 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: you would hope a guy like Taylor to be able 420 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: to get it going a little bit, and yet it wasn't. 421 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: It didn't really work out for him. So I'm not 422 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: sure that's the reason. But again, I still think there's 423 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: reason for optimism because we've we've sort of seen really 424 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: really bad Chris Taylor slumps before and he always seems 425 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: to come out. 426 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not ready to run him out of town 427 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: just yet. Let's talk about some of the pitching situations here, Jeff. 428 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 2: We are hopeful that we get Walker Bueller back soon. 429 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: He does have his fourth rehab start today with the 430 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Dodgers. But Glass now started off great. His 431 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 2: first three outings were fantastic. Didn't look so great the 432 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: last time out. What did you notice? 433 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's baseball, right. You guys were talking about this 434 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: right before I came on. I think Clint was saying, 435 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, this is a sport where if you succeed 436 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: three out of every ten times offensively, that's a good one. 437 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: I think pitching you never want to see maybe the 438 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: deepest of lows, but you kind of come to expect 439 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: that it's not always going to be perfect. I'm not 440 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: willing to overreact to sort of one bad start, just 441 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: like I probably would have told the people a week 442 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: earlier who saw the dominant performance and were ready to 443 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: crown him the greatest pitcher in Major League history, like, oh, 444 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: let's take a deep breath a little bit. 445 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: I Glass Noow's very, very. 446 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: Good, and my opinion, is not going to be moved 447 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: dramatically by one start either direction. Honestly, for Glass now 448 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: every time he just goes out there and takes the 449 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: ball every fifth or sixth day. To me, that's the 450 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: most important thing is can this guy stay healthy? More 451 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: so than whether I'm concerned about the results he's going 452 00:20:59,000 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: to get once he's out there. 453 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, last time you came onto my channel, we talked 454 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: about the starting rotation just before the start of spring training. 455 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: I liked what you had said. Then. 456 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 3: It's kind of all of these things could go really well, 457 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: but there's a butt. Everybody kind of has a little 458 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: bit of a butt. I mean, we're all born with him. 459 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: But let's talk Yoshinobu Yamamoto. Are you kind of would 460 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: you say you're surprised? Are you shocked to see him 461 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 3: being on this once a week schedule that they're they're 462 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: really sticking to that, And do you think this team 463 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: can survive the once a week schedule throughout the entirety 464 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: of the season. 465 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I'm not surprised they're doing this 466 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: because I think with Glass, Noow's health history, with Bobby 467 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: Miller's sort of lack of long track record of thirty 468 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: five thirty two starts a year with Yamamotos, you know, 469 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: pitching once a week. I'm not surprised they're doing this. 470 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: We've joked on our show. I don't know why they 471 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: don't just name Ryan Yarborough the sixth starter. It's like 472 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna do a bullpend game and then he's gonna 473 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: throw five innings. It's like, I mean, five innings is 474 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: more than some of your starters are giving you on 475 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: normal start. So so I think as long as they can, 476 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: they're going to So I'm not surprised by that piece. 477 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: I will say with Yamamoto, the thing that surprised me, 478 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: I expected him to be super successful right out of 479 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: the gate, just because guys hadn't seen him before. The 480 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: scouting report wasn't going to totally be out on him, 481 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: and so I expected sort of him to be really 482 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: dominant honestly the first month or two of the season. 483 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: So I'm a little surprised he hasn't been more successful. 484 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I was expecting that to come back down to earth. 485 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: But the fact that he started from a place of 486 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, I would say above average so far doesn't 487 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: necessarily mean I'm still expecting it to go down I 488 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: just I assumed it would be way more impressive out 489 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: the shoot. 490 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna throw out the soul's start for Yamamoto. 491 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: I still think we need to see what he can 492 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: give us having, you know, give him, give him four 493 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: or five, six, seven starts before I think we can 494 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: make a true assessment on how well he is adjusting 495 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: to major league pitching and how well he adjustment is 496 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: from the hitters to him. Middle relief. I you know, 497 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: we're going to get to the super chat here in 498 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: just a second. Jack, thank you so much for being 499 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: a part of Dodgers' territory. We appreciate you big time. 500 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: But middle relief, I mean, middle relievers need love to 501 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 2: but man, they make me want to drink. And you 502 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen with this club. Obviously 503 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: with Bruis dar Grattarol out for an extended period of 504 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: time that the injury to Blake Trynan, what did the 505 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: Dodgers do here in terms of bolstering up the back 506 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: end of the bullpen to get to get it to 507 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: Evan Phillips or whoever happens to get the call that 508 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: day in the. 509 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: Ninth Look, if there's an area of this team that 510 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: I've been dead wrong on. 511 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 4: It was the bullpen. 512 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: I predicted that this group would would be one of 513 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: the strengths. Now obviously graderol and tryn in missing some time, 514 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: to guys that I would kind of put in the 515 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: top four relievers that they were going to have. 516 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 4: I think plays a part. 517 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: I expected JP fire Rising to be better than he 518 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: has been, so I'm surprised in that sense that it 519 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: hasn't been great. 520 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 4: You know. 521 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Vessi is a guy that I'm probably higher on than 522 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: most Dodger fans, which I don't think is a high 523 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: to be fair, but I like Vessia. I think there's 524 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: still potential there. I've joked Michael Grove has been on 525 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: our show a number of times. Super great guy. I 526 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: will defend him personally until the deaths. 527 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: So now you just want him to still come on 528 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: your show, though, Let's be honest. 529 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: I mean, guys root for good guys, you know, And 530 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: I think I can I see the positives of like 531 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: what it could be when he has these stretches like 532 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: even yesterday's game where it's three innings, no hits, five strikeouts. 533 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: I think he's had ten strikeouts. In his last five 534 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: and two thirds. Like, I see that potential, and I 535 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: just if we can find consistency there. But I think 536 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: it is concerning Like Ryan Brazier, I know there were 537 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: lots of people in my mentions that were concerned when 538 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: they went out and signed him. I don't think Joe 539 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Kelly was like a sure thing. If he was like 540 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: your eighth best reliever, sure, but now he's your third 541 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: or fourth best believer. Daniel Hudson has been a pleasant surprise. 542 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's a lot more patchwork than I was expecting. 543 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: I think there are pieces there, especially if trying In 544 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: and Graderol do in fact come back that you've got 545 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: the makings of a good bullpen. But I think they're 546 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: gonna have to kind of patch it together and make 547 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: it work here for a little while. 548 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, we see. 549 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: You know, Brazier did not have himself a very good 550 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: spring training that's continued onto the season. The numbers are 551 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: decent on Alex Vessia, but I don't know how high 552 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: you are on FIP and just some of those you 553 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: underlying numbers. It's not a very pretty site when you're 554 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: looking at some of these stats. Let's focus on Vessie, 555 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: because I know that's another one where you know, puts 556 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 3: butts in the seats here in the chat sometimes. Do 557 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 3: you think Vessi has sticks around for the entirety of 558 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 3: the season. 559 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting because the Dodgers have, by their behaviors, told 560 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: us they don't really care about if you throw with 561 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: your right hand or your left hand. They care if 562 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: you can get left handers out. So if you're of 563 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: the belief that that is true, then I think Vessi 564 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: is in a precarious position because his value is strictly 565 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: as a left handed pitcher. But if the Dodgers don't 566 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: care what arm you throw with, and I think Vessi 567 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: is going to be in a little tougher spot. I 568 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: was just pulling up some of his numbers, and you 569 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: know the stuff is, his velocity is down from last year, 570 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: his strikeout rate is down, his walk rate. I mean, look, 571 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: eight point seven walks per nine innings for Vessia right 572 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: now is not going to get it done, especially when 573 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: the strikeout rate is down and all of that. I 574 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: know it's a two point six era, but he's just 575 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: like one of these middle relief guys that some days 576 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: they're awesome, and some days you're just praying they can 577 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: get through the first three batters before somebody can go 578 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: get him out of there, you know. And Vessia, I 579 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: think is classic. He throws the first fastball at the 580 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: top of the zone and either the guy smashes it 581 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: or he swings right through it, and it's like, you know, 582 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: I felt this way with Ken Lee, I felt this 583 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: way with Craig Camberll. I'm not comparing Vessia, but there's 584 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: some guys where one pitch in you're like, yep, I 585 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: know exactly how this is going. The cutter is missing 586 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: bats today, it's going to be a good day. The 587 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: high fastball is missing bats today, it's going to be 588 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: a good day. And other days where it's like foul off, 589 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: foul off, ful off, and you're like, oh my goodness, 590 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: he is not fooling anybody, And so I think he 591 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: can remain apart. I think there's an upside to Vessie, 592 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: like the best version of Alex VESSI I think is 593 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: a weapon, whether or not they actually tap into that. 594 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: He reaches that potential massive massive massive TBD. 595 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: Jeff Spiegel with Dodger Blue, what do you got working 596 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: what are you guys working on for your upcoming show. 597 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do postgame shows every Tuesday night, every Friday night. 598 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: We do a live podcast every Sunday night as well 599 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: over on Dodger Blue nineteen fifty eight on our YouTube channel, 600 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: So we're there. We got a new daily show that 601 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: we do like ten minutes every morning by ten am. 602 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: That's sort of game recap slash game preview slash biggest 603 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: story going on. 604 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: So that's what we got planned. 605 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: All right, Well, you're busy. We always appreciate your insight, 606 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: your information. Great to have you here on Dodgers Territory, 607 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: the first of many appearances, Jeff, thanks so much. 608 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely love to have you. 609 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: All right. The last licks coming up now and again 610 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: we always talk about a pup Clint that needs a home, 611 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: and this one I'm featuring Tricksy once again. This is 612 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: a pup that has all of her shots. She is 613 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: no older than a year and a half old. She's little, 614 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: she's about fifteen pounds. She's a sweet girl, great with 615 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: other dogs, great with kids. Check out Gidri's guardian dot 616 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: org for photos and information about Trixie. There she is. 617 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: She's such a sweet girl. She's in a foster home 618 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: right now in Valencia, California, but she is ready for 619 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: her forever home. She's microchipped, she's healthy, and she's ready 620 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: to go. So adopt a pup. Her name is Trixie 621 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: and we certainly appreciate that. All right, it is thirsty 622 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 2: Thursday for you, Clint Passi, as you've already gotten started. 623 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: It's not even twelve thirty in Los Angeles. But that's 624 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: neither here nor there. What's coming up on All Dodgers? 625 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 3: Hey, you know we're gonna be talking about the Dodgers 626 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 3: on All Dodgers tonight. Me and a producer, Kevin, who 627 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: has joined me this month. Made it more fun, not 628 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: just talking to myself and a camera. Of course, great 629 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: great crowd of folks join us there in the chat, 630 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: but talking more about this Dodgers lineup. I'm gonna pose 631 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: the question, is it time to maybe consider changing the 632 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 3: lineup around for a spar So we'll have that conversation 633 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: tonight plus more Dodger talking. 634 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have a little more fun. 635 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 3: We're talking favorite ballpark foods tonight, So tube in six 636 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: pm on All Dodgers here on YouTube. 637 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: All right, you can subscribe to Clint's podcast All Dodgers 638 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. 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