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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds UFC Paris this Saturday. Manon

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Speaker 1: Pharah thug Rows. Are you on the ground in France?

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Speaker 1: You gotta give me a rapport? How is it?

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Speaker 2: It's great, man.

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Speaker 3: We checked out the Eiffel Tower, we went to the museum,

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Speaker 1: So are you able to can you like pause the

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Speaker 2: Not just kidding.

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Speaker 3: It's a I know everybody's like, oh, you get to

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Speaker 2: So so I was actually really happy to be able

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Speaker 3: But I mean, the whole time you're thinking about fighting somebody.

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Speaker 1: Yea, and yeah, no doubt about it. This is a

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Speaker 1: So you got to take me back to the beginning.

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Speaker 1: How long had you been thinking about this flyweight reinvention

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Speaker 3: I guess originally I got the idea when I, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think during my second title reign, as I started

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Speaker 2: Kind of like this is sort of the last thing

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Speaker 1: I mean, I assumed you'd be fighting Waylee in this

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Speaker 1: That, you know what, I assume that would be the

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Speaker 1: Why not dare to be great? I've heard you say

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely stronger, and I even think you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, Rose, You've been a master at reinvention in this game.

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Speaker 1: Anytime we think you, you know, have a rough night

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Speaker 1: I gotta be confident that. Okay, the Asparsa fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Fresh, I hope, So you know what I mean, Like, definitely, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I do. I do see.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this division, your new division

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Speaker 1: Do you have a read on this UFC noe Cha

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm watching every time Valentina fights and Alexa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely gonna be watching.

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Speaker 1: You do you have Do you lean either way? Do

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Speaker 3: You know, I always have faith that that Valentine is

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Speaker 3: Alexa was the better fighter that night, and she kind

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Speaker 3: and so she does that, then I see her winning.

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Speaker 1: Does it excite you as a competitor to have a

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Speaker 1: These are new obstacles for you. Does that jazzy up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: One hundred? You know what I mean, like, uh, is

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've been fighting the same people for

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Speaker 3: I want to fight as many different people as possible,

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Speaker 1: You know, all right, the betting odds that they like pharauh,

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: It's like there's trying to guess who's gonna win beforehand

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like that's that's what makes fighting fun, right,

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Speaker 2: Right, and even myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I know, I know, I know that

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm used to being underdog. I'm used to being, you know,

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Speaker 3: I surprise everybody.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you have your You're a woman of many interests

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Speaker 1: and you and you seem to throw your passions into that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that you're a better gardener

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Speaker 1: Have you leveled up in those areas?

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Speaker 3: Dude? Probably not, Like just because of the time that

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Speaker 2: Getting there though, Like my garden.

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Speaker 3: You should see my garden. It's it's fire right now.

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Speaker 3: The tomatoes are coming in hot, like the cucumbers, the

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Speaker 3: Carris beat everything, you know. So so but that's like

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Speaker 3: that's like post fighting. I'm gonna be like better at

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Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, well you got the best hype

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Speaker 1: man in the world. Pep Area behind him. Is you

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Speaker 1: get hyped up for like breakfast too? Is You're like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta come down. The cereals tremendous, ros,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's twenty right.

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Speaker 3: He could be cranky in the morning sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 3: it depends on it depends on.

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Speaker 2: How he slept, you know what I mean. Nah, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's great, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Rose. We can't wait to see UFC Paras on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Manon Pharrell, Thanks for the time, best of luck. This

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Speaker 1: is this is the biggest fight of the weekend if

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Speaker 1: you ask me. Okay, this is the one that we've

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Speaker 1: got circled on the calendar. We know you'll be ready.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, thank you so much.