WEBVTT - ‘The Lincoln Has Been Sold’

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a long difficult search. Hello, but with the

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<v Speaker 1>help of my private investigator, I found Drusilla Merita. How

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<v Speaker 1>can I help you. We're working on a podcast about

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<v Speaker 1>about Ron Thomas, and she was alive, not in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>not buried somewhere, and not in any trouble. It's clear

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Weston's former girlfriend knows details about what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>the Stevenson's that no one else does. She could give

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<v Speaker 1>Carol Thompson and her daughter Shannon answers at least some

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<v Speaker 1>answers that have escaped that family for the past four decades. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather not talk about that right now, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much. At this point, I've done all I can

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<v Speaker 1>to get Drusilla to talk, phone calls, messages, even a

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<v Speaker 1>door knock, but you won't, Budge. I can understand why

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<v Speaker 1>Drusilla doesn't want to talk. She wants to forget about

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<v Speaker 1>all of this move on liver heal life. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>I have with that sort of thinking is Stevenson family

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<v Speaker 1>members deserve answers, and Drusilla undoubtedly has plenty. Yet, because

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<v Speaker 1>there is no statute of limitations on murder, I can

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<v Speaker 1>also see why she wouldn't want to say the wrong

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<v Speaker 1>thing and wind up with the FEDS standing at her

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<v Speaker 1>front door. Previously on Paper Ghosts, this right, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>this friend and his run at the FBI was looking

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<v Speaker 1>for him. Wait, I figured, if he is involved in

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<v Speaker 1>a shootout, I guess he was, and you know I

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<v Speaker 1>had something to do with him. Him and that Ron Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think Dick protected Roy money he paid Dick?

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<v Speaker 1>You think, well, yeah, you get paid too. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had two grocery bags slept full of money, that was

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<v Speaker 1>your tire to do. But cover up his set of

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<v Speaker 1>the deal? I said, Oh my god, he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>kill me. He wants me on. My name is m

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<v Speaker 1>William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist and author of forty

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<v Speaker 1>four true crime books. This is season two of Paper Ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>Burned cases like the Stevenson murders are generally not too

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to unpack, the challenges, providing families with the resolution

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<v Speaker 1>they have been searching for, realizing they may not be

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<v Speaker 1>ready to accept what you find. Did Billy become entangled

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<v Speaker 1>with the wrong people? Was his family collateral? Damn image?

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<v Speaker 1>Was family friend Ron Thomas involved? And what's more, did

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<v Speaker 1>Ron hired Dick Weston to help him settle a personal

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<v Speaker 1>and or monetary debt. These questions have plagued me throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the years I have been involved in this case, and

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest part. By asking these questions, you are, to

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<v Speaker 1>some extent, blaming the victim. Yet it is an unavoidable

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<v Speaker 1>facet of mass murder investigation, one you hope to come

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<v Speaker 1>away from with an answer that won't hurt the family

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<v Speaker 1>more than they have already been. So at times you

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<v Speaker 1>find yourself facing an uncomfortable dilemma. Does the family actually

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what happened when it's clear there are

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing details within that reality, because that truth can be

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a lot uglier than one could have

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<v Speaker 1>ever imagined. I grew up here in my mom's story.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she had this fear that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to be forgotten, and Ron's name was never tied to it.

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<v Speaker 1>You might recall Shannon Group, Carol Thompson's daughter from a

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<v Speaker 1>previous episode. Shannon was just three and a half when

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<v Speaker 1>her mom pulled her out of bed in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night after learning their family's house was on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember standing there and watching them bring the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>out of the house. Of course, I was devastated. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what was going on in there. There's fire

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<v Speaker 1>trucks and there's people, and there's police, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>then I see the bodies coming out, and and it

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<v Speaker 1>was It's pretty devastating for you know, that's my first

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have minor memories of a kid, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing things, but that's my first real memory. That

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<v Speaker 1>just always stuck with me, you know what. I had

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<v Speaker 1>nightmares for years. I thought about it for years. Within

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, Shannon has remained her mother's rock. One

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<v Speaker 1>might think she lives with some sort of secondary PTSD,

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<v Speaker 1>having been there weathering the aftermath of watching family suffer

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<v Speaker 1>for decades while dealing with the loss herself, But Shannon

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<v Speaker 1>has remained steadfast and finding answers, taking on the all

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<v Speaker 1>consuming task of digging in and over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, actually uncovering information so as you grow up,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going through your mind about this case and what

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<v Speaker 1>is driving I was a strange kid. UM didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of friends in school. I was very quietly reserved.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of anxiety, you know, when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to people. Um, you know, my mom was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of paranoid, and I was, you know, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of rubbed off on me because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw firsthand what you know, a friend is capable of.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that kind of just screwed me up.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I was growing, you know, I thought a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about this case and the fact that Ron got away,

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<v Speaker 1>and it always broke my heart that, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>mom would watch over her shoulder for the longest time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Thomas, that friend Shannon mentions became like a recurring

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<v Speaker 1>cant her on this family. Carol Thompson remains terrified to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, even after forty years, because of a possible

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<v Speaker 1>threat still existing in their world, and that fear she

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<v Speaker 1>has passed down to her daughter Shannon is exacerbated by

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing what happened and most importantly, who else is responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>Fear feeds on itself. I remember this man came to

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<v Speaker 1>the door one day knocking, and I opened the door

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<v Speaker 1>and he said that he had gotten something in his

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<v Speaker 1>eye and could what I let him in to go

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<v Speaker 1>rinse his eye out. Me being this native eight year old,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I let this man into my home and

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm home alone. I was all by myself, Mom Daoud,

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<v Speaker 1>probably at work or something. So you know, Mom got

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<v Speaker 1>home and I told her about it, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>remember her reaction. She freaked out so bad, she was

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<v Speaker 1>so scared because it could have been wrong. To this day,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know who it was. It might have been wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, just her reaction and just everything

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, and it just ate it even more that

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<v Speaker 1>this man is free. You know, who knows who else

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<v Speaker 1>he heard after that? Who knows what he went on

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<v Speaker 1>into it after that. As I have come to learn

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<v Speaker 1>throughout my investigation, I can say with certainty that Ron

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas wasn't a family friend as Carol had thought. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a cunning sociopath who had masterminded the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>her entire family. Every single law enforcement source I have

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to has confirmed this Ron was the man behind

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<v Speaker 1>the curtain from the very beginning, telling Dick Weston what

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<v Speaker 1>to do and when to do it. This became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to Carol and Shannon as they tried to move on

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<v Speaker 1>with their lives in the decades that followed. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>my mom to have peace. You know, yes, it would

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<v Speaker 1>help me too, But me and my mom boys been very,

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<v Speaker 1>very close. She was very close to her mom. Me

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<v Speaker 1>and her are very very close. We're like best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>My mom. You know, she was so scared and it

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<v Speaker 1>bothered her so bad. So it kind of turns you

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<v Speaker 1>into an armchair investigator, if you will, as I love

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<v Speaker 1>to investigate, love it. What do you first do? And

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<v Speaker 1>so I contacted UM Records here and the Sheriff's office here,

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<v Speaker 1>enquiring if the files were still around, if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew that the files we do not destroy

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<v Speaker 1>because they told me on the phone. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can I get access to these? I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be public records. So you're beginning to look

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<v Speaker 1>into this, and your main goal is to get ahold

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<v Speaker 1>of the records so you can find out exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to torture on I did. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>My goal was to find her on get these records,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to send him crime scene photos, newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>artists and stuff to make him think about it every

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<v Speaker 1>day for the rest of his life. I want him

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<v Speaker 1>to get these in the mail once a week, just constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>constant reminders I wanted to torture the man. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>far I've learned all I can about Ron Thomas's life

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<v Speaker 1>before the Stevenson murders, but I need to dig into

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to this so called family friend after. I've

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<v Speaker 1>come to understand there is one man who knows more

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<v Speaker 1>than most about Ron Thomas's life after he ran from Bethel, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>A detective who has never spoken publicly about any of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and who has been hard to track down. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>once I found him, I sensed a bit of trepidation

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<v Speaker 1>in his voice about sharing his story, and he chose

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<v Speaker 1>to remain quiet. Yet, after some time and a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of discussion, one day in early spring, he decided it

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<v Speaker 1>was time to talk. Dave. How you doing? M William Phelps, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing? You're doing all right? I'm doing all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing all right. I get I gotta say, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't complain much. You know, wouldn't do any good if

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<v Speaker 1>it did. Anyway. That's so true, That's so true. How's

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<v Speaker 1>the weather? David Bell is a former Columbia, South Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>detective who began his law enforcement career in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two as a line deputy with the Richland County Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>Office for I Love Beautiful Division because I loved the

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<v Speaker 1>connection with the people, you know, because you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just like trying to help people if I could. And finally, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they said, come on, man, you know, we really need

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<v Speaker 1>your you know, your experience and uh, investigation division. So

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<v Speaker 1>I went ahead and transferred to investigation division. And I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't major crimes in a particular area that I patrolled

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<v Speaker 1>as a uniform division, and I was you had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of actions and contacts of that area. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the people we come to me and give me information

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<v Speaker 1>on certain crimes and so forth. Those connections in the

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<v Speaker 1>community are priceless the cops who lead to become detectives.

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<v Speaker 1>The trust is established and for a detective there is

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<v Speaker 1>no better information than what he or she can develop

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<v Speaker 1>on the street. Ron Thomas's name did not cross David

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<v Speaker 1>Bell's desk until the early two thousand's, after Bell had

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<v Speaker 1>been assigned to a brand new cold case unit, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course that opened up the big can of worms.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when we learned about the Stevenson murders, the gold

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<v Speaker 1>buying business, nemafia connection, you know, Richard West and all

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<v Speaker 1>these all these people you know, connected to all this crime,

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<v Speaker 1>from robberies and murders and lower those wardels. Now what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guy did Ron Thomas strike you as when

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<v Speaker 1>you began to look into this cold case and look

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<v Speaker 1>at his background. Ron Thomas was a scum bay. If

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<v Speaker 1>there was something dirtie, he has hands in. It turns

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<v Speaker 1>out Ron Thomas left behind his wife in Ohio and

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<v Speaker 1>fled the South Carolina, where he owned and operated a gold, silver,

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<v Speaker 1>and jewelry exchange. This was the main location where he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been running off to each time he evaded the police

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<v Speaker 1>looking into his involvement in the Stevenson case. And yet

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<v Speaker 1>there was another reason for Ron's frequent visits to South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Ron Thomas had a mistress there for what had amounted

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<v Speaker 1>to the past fourteen years, a woman named Irene Floyd,

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<v Speaker 1>who first met Ron when he was her foreman at

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<v Speaker 1>a manufacturing company in nineteen sixty eight and continued to

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<v Speaker 1>work for him at his store in South Carolina. To

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<v Speaker 1>understand this case, we have to take a few steps

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<v Speaker 1>back before the Stevenson murders, because to really know Ron Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to look at Irene Floyd. Irene was no

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<v Speaker 1>common middle aged woman living the cozy life in a

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<v Speaker 1>warm South She had quite the checkered past, starting with

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<v Speaker 1>her first husband, her high school sweetheart who had died

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<v Speaker 1>tragically in nineteen sixty six. They had a bad relationship

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<v Speaker 1>from the get go, and uh they got a real

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<v Speaker 1>bad domestic dispute one night, so she called the Clubia

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<v Speaker 1>police department on him. So they were looking for his car,

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<v Speaker 1>and when she happened to see the car, and so

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<v Speaker 1>she went to go find a police officer to tell

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<v Speaker 1>him where he was at. And while she was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the police officer, he actually drove drove by and

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<v Speaker 1>she goes there, he goes now, So the police went

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<v Speaker 1>to stop him and he took off running from the police. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he got just a couple of blocks and read there

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of Clubia, we have these trains that

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<v Speaker 1>come to Clubia, and there was a train coming and

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<v Speaker 1>he tried to beat the train and he lost in

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<v Speaker 1>his train. His car got hit by the train. He

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<v Speaker 1>was killed instantly at the accident. Actually, Irene made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money on his insurance plus from the train company.

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<v Speaker 1>Irene Floyd sued everyone involved after her first husband was

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<v Speaker 1>killed by that train. I've been told she was awarded

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<v Speaker 1>life changing money, yet nobody could give me an exact figure.

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<v Speaker 1>So she uh learned real quick how easy she could

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<v Speaker 1>come about money with insurance policies and sue the person's

0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, responsible for the death. So that day is

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<v Speaker 1>the husband number two. Not long after, Irene married her

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<v Speaker 1>second husband, a Kentucky born transplant named William Floyd. The

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<v Speaker 1>following year, Irene met and began working for Ron Thomas. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she was a secretary in the photo speak you and

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<v Speaker 1>they started having an affair while she was married a

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<v Speaker 1>Willyam Floyd. But William says, well, you know, I'd rather

0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.480
<v Speaker 1>have you share you that lose you. I love you

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<v Speaker 1>that much. Even though William Floyd knew his wife was

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<v Speaker 1>having an affair with Ron Thomas, William decided against divorcing Irene,

0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.920
<v Speaker 1>but at some point it became too much to bear

0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and William filed. The divorce was finalized in July. They divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>and then what happens. What happened was we employed never

0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:43.360
<v Speaker 1>removed Irene is being beneficiary on residenturance policy. And Irene

0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:50.600
<v Speaker 1>found out about this. So Irene kind of let him

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<v Speaker 1>along and implied that she wanted to remarry him. So

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<v Speaker 1>I renehatched a plan. She convinced William that she had

0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.440
<v Speaker 1>left Ron Thomas for good and wanted to make their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship work, you know, give the marriage a second try.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few months, she set up a rendezvous at

0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a Tennessee motel. William Floyd, still in love with Irene,

0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.240
<v Speaker 1>agreed to meet and talk. When Irene got to the myths,

0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, she got him drunk because she met him

0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:29.480
<v Speaker 1>up there with the pretense of getting remarried. And uh so,

0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.720
<v Speaker 1>when she got him set up in the motel, she

0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.760
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to call there's other motel and h and

0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.320
<v Speaker 1>asked for a gym, and she was supposed to identify

0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.000
<v Speaker 1>herself as Linda and uh and that was to uh

0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.200
<v Speaker 1>satan that she told them what room he was in

0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and that the door was unlocked. Ron Thomas was on

0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the other end of that call. He had been waiting

0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.680
<v Speaker 1>in a nearby motel, ready to receive word to set

0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.400
<v Speaker 1>his next course of action in motion and get this

0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Ron's so called bodyguard, Dick Weston. He and another man

0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Ron had hired were not too far away waiting in

0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.639
<v Speaker 1>the wings for Ron's direction. And Richard Weston and a

0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>guy from Indiana across the state line within there with

0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:27.760
<v Speaker 1>baseball bats and beat Bill Floyd's severely with baseball bats

0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.600
<v Speaker 1>in the head and the pre torso and left him

0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.760
<v Speaker 1>for dead. You know, I mean they beat him unmercifully.

0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Here again was Ron Thomas ordering others to do for

0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.400
<v Speaker 1>him what he did not have the guts to do himself,

0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and Irene Thomas at for an alibi. She drove herself

0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.359
<v Speaker 1>as she made the boat goal to a hospital and

0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.200
<v Speaker 1>says she was having a severe migraine headache to give

0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.639
<v Speaker 1>herself an alibi. William Floyd did not die from that

0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.760
<v Speaker 1>motel beating it. He was left severely deformed, with nearly

0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.760
<v Speaker 1>all of the skin on his face beaten off and

0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:10.600
<v Speaker 1>parts of his skull caved in. She called Ron Thomas

0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and told Ron Thomas that Bill was still alive, and

0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Ron Thomas as well, Uh, I doubt uh, don't worry,

0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.640
<v Speaker 1>He's not going to live. There's no way he could

0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.480
<v Speaker 1>survive that assault. Ron was so certain William Floyd wouldn't

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.560
<v Speaker 1>make it, he instructed Irene to call him when that

0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:34.160
<v Speaker 1>time came to pass and say this the Lincoln has

0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.720
<v Speaker 1>been sold. According to police reports, several men posing as

0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.760
<v Speaker 1>preachers even showed up at the hospital to inquire about

0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:47.159
<v Speaker 1>William Floyd's condition. The hospital staff became immediately suspicious and

0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.240
<v Speaker 1>would not allow them into the room. So he was

0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.640
<v Speaker 1>put in a facility that cared for people that were

0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.080
<v Speaker 1>like vegetables. Bill Floyd's family would not allow her to

0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:04.199
<v Speaker 1>see him, and so she could get to him. William

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Floyd was confined to a wheelchair, incapable of walking, talking,

0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.840
<v Speaker 1>bending for himself. The guy was left blind in one eye,

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 1>deaf in one ear, and would suffer multiple seizures every

0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.359
<v Speaker 1>single day. All this man did, mind you with She

0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.240
<v Speaker 1>forgiveness to his cheating wife by agreeing to talk about

0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.040
<v Speaker 1>moving on and getting back together. And this is how

0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.439
<v Speaker 1>she repays him. William sat idly all day inside the

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.560
<v Speaker 1>rehab facility and staring into space, a shell of the

0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.760
<v Speaker 1>caring and loving man I have heard he once was.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how she did it. I could never

0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.439
<v Speaker 1>did was able to figure it out. But she was

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.560
<v Speaker 1>able to sneak him out of this facility, and she

0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 1>drove him to a probate's office in South Carolina. And

0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.119
<v Speaker 1>that even though that he was in that condition, that

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 1>judge married her and Bill remarried. How she finaggled the

0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.280
<v Speaker 1>system to be able to remarry him, and his condition

0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:20.080
<v Speaker 1>is beyond my imagination. So she immediately took him out

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of that facility and took him home to her house

0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:29.080
<v Speaker 1>here in glub You to take care of me because

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>that he still had that internce policy, Shannah. The day

0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.760
<v Speaker 1>before I planned to leave Ohio, I got a call

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>from Carol Thompson's daughter, Shannon Group, asking to meet up.

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Shannon had a sore close to Ron Thomas, who she's

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 1>been messaging with on Facebook, and over time she had

0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.720
<v Speaker 1>collected close to fifty pages of information about the guy.

0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.879
<v Speaker 1>A treasure trove if there ever was one. How's it

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:19.400
<v Speaker 1>going really good? Brought those documents you requested? She doesn't

0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.239
<v Speaker 1>want to be in this at all. She doesn't want

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.680
<v Speaker 1>her name in it. Why do you think that beer?

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. I really don't know, you know,

0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 1>till many years of past. I don't know why anyone

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.320
<v Speaker 1>would you know? And it could be hard on her

0:21:34.359 --> 0:21:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to given her relation to the people involved. I know

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.679
<v Speaker 1>who this sources, and the information I've been given is

0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.719
<v Speaker 1>highly credible. Like others who have been hesitant to speak

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>or prefer to use an alias, I understand and respect

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 1>the need to keep a distance. Shannon handed me a

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.920
<v Speaker 1>quarter inch thick stack of documents to go through all

0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:03.160
<v Speaker 1>of it dealing with Thomas and his relationship to Irene Floyd.

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Information no one would be able to find out through

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 1>public records while I was looking into Juicilla Merita's whereabouts.

0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I handed the material off to my producer, Christina Everett

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>and asked her to find out what she could break

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.639
<v Speaker 1>down the social media conversations included in the documents and

0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.160
<v Speaker 1>determine what we could learn from it. There's a lot

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:32.720
<v Speaker 1>to go through. This woman is really complicated and knows

0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot more than we imagined. Yeah, I mean, you

0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>read through everything and did some digging. What do you

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 1>think what did you come up with? Well, what's interesting

0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>is the timing of everything, Right, So William Floyd is

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:52.439
<v Speaker 1>attacked in May, and Irene marries William for the second

0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>time in August, and you know what happened between those months,

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the Stevenson murders. Right, So she ends up talking to

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the FBI, and we know now that she was still

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>carrying on her affair with Ron during this time. So

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting because we get to learn a little

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.400
<v Speaker 1>bit more about what Ron was going through during the

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:19.639
<v Speaker 1>months that the murders happened. Um She says that she

0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>talked on the phone with Ron at one point on

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>June and said that she wanted to come visit him,

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 1>but he was adamant and said that under no circumstances

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 1>was she to come to either Indiana or Ohio to

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 1>visit him, because the next weekend he was carrying off

0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.919
<v Speaker 1>some big deal that he needed to be there for.

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.919
<v Speaker 1>That next weekend would be the fourth of July, and

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that big deal turned out to be the Stevenson murders.

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 1>We look back and we see that she spoke to

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 1>him on the phone about five weeks earlier and at

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the end of May, and she's telling Ron that she

0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have any money and he doesn't have any i her,

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>but suggests to her that if money is an issue,

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that he could arrange to have her house burned down

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>for ten thousand dollars and she can just collect the

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>insurance money on it. So Ron said that he didn't

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>have any money to lend her, but he was going

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to be working on a deal that would really set

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 1>him up financially, but was complicated. He said that the

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 1>deal would involve several people. He mentioned the name Steve

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 1>and Linda in relation to this deal that he was

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>going to be doing um And according to Irene, Ron

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 1>said quote that s ob had more money than he

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 1>could ever spend, but yet he wanted to steal everything

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 1>that he could from everybody else. So there's a second

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:52.919
<v Speaker 1>call between Ron and Irene that happens July tenth, after

0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 1>the murders um and the tone of this one is

0:24:55.920 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>far different. Ron says the FBI had the goods on him,

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that his house was surrounded, the phone was tapped, and

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 1>he was going to go prison for a long time.

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>So Irenes and tears. She's crying. She's asking, are you

0:25:09.320 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in trouble? He says yes. She asks what did you do?

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 1>And he says, you wouldn't believe it if I told you. Well,

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>it sounds there to me like Ron's basically admitting his

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:26.359
<v Speaker 1>involvement in this. There was enough talk beforehand during their

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>phone calls for Irene to figure out that this was

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.439
<v Speaker 1>not a spontaneous attack. This was a planned thing. It

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 1>was something that Ron had thought of for weeks at

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>least before he carried it out. It was not in

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the heat at the moment. But Irene did say that

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Ron was waiting for somebody else to get out of

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 1>prison to help him carry out this deal, and so

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Irene figured that that person he was talking about was

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Dick Weston, because she knows that Dick had just gotten

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>out of prison a few months earlier in February for

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>bank robberies. Considering how long they worked together at this point,

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it's puzzling why Irene Floyd would suddenly flip on Ron

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Thomas and ran them out to the FEDS. Around the

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 1>time when Irene married William Floyd, there was a bump

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>in Irene's relationship with Ron, and it had to do

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>with a bankruptcy issue on Ron's behalf um and it

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>was messy and it involved Irene and her assets. So

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it seems like they were on the rocks for some

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>time and they weren't talking, and maybe Irene thought that

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>was the end of it, because then she went to

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the FBI and ratted him out. That rough patch didn't

0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>last long, though, because Irene and Ron continued their affair

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>in According to Detective David Bell, Ron continued his business

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>affairs with Dick Weston all while Dick remained in prison

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:59.640
<v Speaker 1>on suspicion of the Stevenson murders. Do you think Ron

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Thomas was involved in running guns and drugs? I don't

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 1>know about the the gun, but now if I remember right,

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the FBI was looking and this came from Irene that

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>they suspected Ron and Uh smuggling drugs into prison where

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Richard Dick he worked with Dick. I so him and

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Dick had a scam going where Ron would get the

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 1>drugs into Dick and Dick would sell them. Yeah, that

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.920
<v Speaker 1>may not have been actually burned, but that was what

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 1>he was suspected. Two years had gone by since Irene

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>married William Floyd the second time. With Ron Thomas lying

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>low from the police and Dick Weston still in jail,

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Irene had to find someone else to do her dirty work.

0:27:56.040 --> 0:28:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Yet again, we got a statement from her I who

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>knew had connections Uh Irene Irene got to shoot Bill

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Floyd and the head was the shotgun and make it

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>look like a suicide. The name of the person mentioned

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>is bleeped because although Detective Bell is certain based on

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 1>his investigation, nobody was ever arrested for that murder. Now, Irene,

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>she had convenually left the house that morning and went

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>some place to give herself an alibi, and while she

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>was gone, supposedly now her husband and wheelchair pulled down

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>this attic stairwell under the body stairs, crawled up into

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the attic, got a twelve game shotgun, brought it back

0:28:55.280 --> 0:29:00.600
<v Speaker 1>down the stairs, went into a bathroom, put the shotgun

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in his mouth, and pushed the trigger with the big

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>toe of his right foot that was paralyzed, and blew

0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>his head off. That's what they expected you to believe.

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>That what that's what they ruled it. They will actually

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>ruled it a suicide. And you go back and you

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>look at the cold case, the autopsy reports, the crime

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>scene reports, et cetera, and you find it it's not

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a suicide. Well, you know, here is here is our problem.

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Those records only kept so many years, and those records

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>are destroyed. We did not have a file copy uh

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Floud's suicide because it had been destroyed. The only information

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I could get on his suicide was from the Corners

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>office and you reinterviewed everybody. Yeah, well wherever we those

0:29:56.520 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>that we can find, Yeah, yeah, But so that's the

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>only way that we were able to get the information

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>on Floyd's led suicide. And it still blew my mind.

0:30:07.720 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe because I knew the investigators that responded

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to the scene of Bill Floyd, and apparently they were

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 1>lied to on the real condition of Floyd when they

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>got there, or they would have never ever signed off

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>on Oh yeah, that's okay, suicide, you know, I mean,

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>if they knew he was confined to a wheelchair, they

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<v Speaker 1>would never you know, I mean, that would just ludicrous anyway. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so Bill Floyd was death and was ruled a suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>She eventually was got his shed away a little bit longer.

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<v Speaker 1>She got the insurance me Ron Thomas happy. William Floyd's

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<v Speaker 1>death conveniently paved the way for Irene and Ron Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>to ride off into the sunset together with a fat

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<v Speaker 1>insurance payout to celebrate with nine dollars to be act.

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<v Speaker 1>The only problem was Ron still had a wife back

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<v Speaker 1>in Indiana, and Irene, well, unless we forget she had

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<v Speaker 1>two dead husbands in her past. In the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>of paper Ghosts, let's try to at him. How's he

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<v Speaker 1>done it? And I didn't What kind of look did

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<v Speaker 1>he give you back? It weren't nice? It was evil.

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<v Speaker 1>If Lukes and guilty'd kill him so I decide that

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to take a gun to court the

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<v Speaker 1>next day, and I'm going to kill Ron on the

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<v Speaker 1>courthouse steps. We were looking into Ron Thomas when we

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<v Speaker 1>got familiar with Irene Compash. The Black Widow Paper Ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>is written in exact, produced by me Am William Phelps

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<v Speaker 1>and I Heart executive producer Christina Everett, with script consultant

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Riddle, Audio editing and mixing by a Booze Afar

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Will Pearson at I Heart Radio. Series theme

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<v Speaker 1>number four four two is written and performed by Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Phelps and Tom Mooney. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,

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