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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. An eleven year old little girl.

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Speaker 1: Just let that so ken just eleven years old. Let's

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Speaker 1: see what graded that would be? Seven, eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 1: eleven fifth grade max fifth grade is missing, of course,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about eleven year old Audrey Conningham missing out

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Speaker 1: of Texas. She goes missing en route to school. As

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Speaker 1: we go to air right now, we are learning that

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Speaker 1: there is a gathering of LA law enforcement around a

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Speaker 1: near by area. Our eyes are on that as we proceed.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Crime Stories and on series

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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. Listen to the mom would just like to.

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Speaker 2: Get the word out that would we would like to

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Speaker 2: have her come home. It's not like her to, you know,

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Speaker 2: just run off forward, disappears. She has a lot of

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Speaker 2: loving families. She has so many people that.

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Speaker 3: Love her and adore her.

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Speaker 2: She is very well taking care of child, and we

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Speaker 2: just we miss her. We don't understand, and any and

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Speaker 2: all help would be greatly appreciated. And I just I

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Speaker 2: want the words spread around as far as possible. If

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Speaker 2: you see her, please contact you know, your local police.

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Speaker 1: What do you do when your child goes missing, Run

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Speaker 1: through the house, screaming for the child. Look in the yard,

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Speaker 1: start running in the neighborhood. Call nine point one. This mother,

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Speaker 1: Cassie Matthews, begging for our help, begging for your help

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Speaker 1: to find her eleven year old little girl, Audrey. And

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Speaker 1: this is what Ellie has to say. Listen.

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Speaker 4: I want to say the investigators are following active leads

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Speaker 4: based on tips that and evidence that we have gathered.

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Speaker 4: The videos submitted to investigators by the community have been

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Speaker 4: very helpful. We're looking for and asking the public's help

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Speaker 4: for additional video on FM thirty one twenty six that

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Speaker 4: shows the highway. This video would have been on Thursday

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Speaker 4: February fifteenth, between six thirty am and eight am.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, just like a needle in a haystack

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Speaker 1: asking for video of the highway. But listen, it works.

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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger perfect example. What happened to the four i'd

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Speaker 1: host students? Well, I've been there myself. There is a

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Speaker 1: seven to eleven gas station at It's not very populated,

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Speaker 1: but at a particular corner near the King Road crime scene.

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Speaker 1: You got to come to I believe it's a four

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Speaker 1: way stop right there. The clerk at the seven to

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Speaker 1: eleven herself, sat there and went through surveillance video hour

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Speaker 1: after hour after hour on her own time, I might add,

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Speaker 1: and catches Brian Coburger's car going by around three am

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Speaker 1: in the morning the night of the murders, four am

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Speaker 1: in the morning the night of the murders, and that,

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Speaker 1: among other things, cracked that case wide open. So it

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Speaker 1: is possible, It is possible for anybody with a dash

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Speaker 1: can or ring phone, anybody with access to any video

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Speaker 1: surveillance along this area needs to come forward. Now. We

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Speaker 1: are looking for an eleven year old, helpless little girl.

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Speaker 1: Is she alive? Is she dead? Is she being raped

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Speaker 1: right now? Is she being tormented? Is she alone? Is

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Speaker 1: she crying out for her mother? Where is this child?

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Speaker 1: I hate to ask jurrrs this as a matter of

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Speaker 1: But think about it, what if this is your child?

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Speaker 1: You're eleven year old little girl missing? With me and

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Speaker 1: right now. First to Carla Castillo, joining us anchor Morning

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Speaker 1: ep kBT X News Carla, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start the morning Audrey disappears. This has just

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Speaker 1: happened feb fifteen. There's still time, There is still time.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that morning. First of all, where does

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Speaker 1: Audrey Cunningham live? What's the jurisdiction? Where did this happen?

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Speaker 1: Where's Livingston?

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Speaker 5: So this is in It is about seventy miles north

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Speaker 5: of Houston. We are based in Brian, Texas. That's where

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Speaker 5: away for a months. So this is in an area

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Speaker 5: But this is an area that is just north of Houston.

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Speaker 5: And you think about I know, as a mom, I

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Speaker 5: Valentine's Day. My kiddo has just celebrated Valentine's Day. And

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Speaker 5: this is not something that's on your mind. And that's

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Speaker 5: not what you asked me. But it's very heartbreaking to

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Speaker 1: And so what they pause, pause, call a castello. I

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Speaker 1: want all the information you have to give me. But

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Speaker 1: jumping off what you just said, let's analyze that. Cheryl

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Speaker 1: star of zeb Seventh Hit podcast, and a forensics expert.

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Speaker 1: We were in the trenches together for many, many years.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, right off the bat, let's hit it seventy

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Speaker 1: miles north of Houston. That says to me, it's probably

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Speaker 1: not a perv from Houston. Number one. That's too far.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to drive seventy miles to find a victim.

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Speaker 1: Mark that out. But Lake Livingston wreck, A lot of

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Speaker 1: people with vacation homes on the lake know the area.

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Speaker 1: It's near Audrey's home. I could see that a purp

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Speaker 1: coming from there, thoughts in a nutshell.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you're correct.

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Speaker 7: You've got that reservoir that's over eight hundred acres. The

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Speaker 7: perpetrator most likely knows this area. There's no doubt about it. Nancy,

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Speaker 7: you and I both know the first three hours are

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Speaker 7: critical this perpetrator. If he took her prior to the

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Speaker 7: bus stop and the family did not realize she was

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Speaker 7: not at school, roughly had nine.

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Speaker 1: Hours, which is making me sick. I haven't even gotten

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Speaker 1: that far, But you're right. I'm gonna circle back to

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Speaker 1: Carlic Castillo on that. Yeah, she didn't show up at

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Speaker 1: school and nobody called mommy. Oh hey, I get a

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Speaker 1: note immediately at eight oh six if the children are

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Speaker 1: not where they're supposed to be at their school, You

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Speaker 1: darn right I do so. Why nothing, you can't text me? Why?

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Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms talking about the lake?

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Speaker 1: How does it play? In? Listen to Sydney Summer Crime Online.

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Speaker 3: The town of Livingston, Texas, is about seventy miles northeast

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Speaker 3: a family. Nearby Lake Livingston State Park provides outdoor activities

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Speaker 3: from fishing to boating, swimming, and hiking, with over eighty

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Speaker 3: three thousand surface acres. Eleven year old Audrey Cunningham lives

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Speaker 3: with her dad and grandparents about five miles from the

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Speaker 3: another by name. Audrey walks to her bus stop most

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Speaker 3: mornings and has made friends with some neighborhood pets that

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Speaker 3: she always stops to pet on her way to the

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Speaker 1: That's really good information. She stops on the way to

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Speaker 1: Also very signific the Kent Let me go to Lanta.

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Speaker 1: Shadwick attorney, former Harris County judge and prosecutor. You can

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Speaker 1: find her Atlantashadwick dot com. You know Atlanta. Also, the

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Speaker 1: pop is about just wrote it down a little old,

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Speaker 1: almost six thousand and twenty nine people, almost almost, and

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Speaker 1: that says a lot to me. As opposed to somewhere

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Speaker 1: like Chicago, Detroit, New York City, Atlanta, you've got a

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Speaker 8: It's well not only a small suspect pool, but the

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Speaker 8: community is just besides themselves. They're greening, and there's no

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Speaker 8: way any accused can get a fair trial here. That's

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Speaker 8: that's another issue.

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Speaker 1: Lanna. You're talking like a true judge, a former prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: but we're putting the cart before the horse trial trial.

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Speaker 1: Let me just find the girl first, Doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: You heard what Cheryl McCollum just said. The first three hours,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, high profile psycho analyst joining us out

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Speaker 1: of La Dr Bethnymarshall dot com. I heard the mom.

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Speaker 1: I heard the mom, Cassie Matthews. Unlike Susan Smith who

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Speaker 1: was blubbering and snotting and carrying on after she murdered

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Speaker 6: She's genuine, She's distraught. She does not know what to do.

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Speaker 6: This mother has no idea what happened. I can hear

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Speaker 6: that in her voice. And in terms of the kidnapping,

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Speaker 6: you know, stranger abductions are more rare than abductions at

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Speaker 6: the hand of non custodial caregivers, so you know, when

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Speaker 6: they move in from the lake towards family members. I

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Speaker 6: would wonder in this town of five thousand people, are

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Speaker 6: Are there other people who kind of like as you said,

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Speaker 6: they watch after her, But are any of them caregivers?

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Speaker 6: Are any of them babysitters? I think that would be

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Speaker 6: like very important question.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about

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Speaker 1: the disappearance of an eleven year old girl out of

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Speaker 1: Texas Livingston Popless's six thousand, much smaller community. Where is Audrey?

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Speaker 1: What more do we know?

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Speaker 3: Listen On the afternoon of Thursday, February fifteen, Audrey Cunningham

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Speaker 3: doesn't arrive home at her usual time. Family members look

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Speaker 1: Okay, sad to say, day late, dollars short? Why it's

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Speaker 1: not LA law enforcement. It's not the parent's fault. It's

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Speaker 1: not mommy or daddy's fault. It's not grandma's fault. It's

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Speaker 9: It's Livingston isd and parents.

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Speaker 10: In the small town, small county or asking why they like,

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Speaker 9: There's some kind of automated system whereby it and personally

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Speaker 1: They got a question for you. Alanta Shadwick, By the way, guys,

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Speaker 1: Lanta is a high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction in Levingston, Texas,

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Speaker 1: former Harris County judge and prosecutor. You can find her

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Speaker 1: at Lantashadwick dot com. Lanta. The notice I get is

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Speaker 1: email and text. I get both. But I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: this automated system that Lewiston Independent School District has, could

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Speaker 1: it be a phone call? Could it be a call

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Speaker 8: text message also, And absolutely whether it's the text message

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Speaker 8: and nobody's looking at it.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what I'm understanding that. Hey, joining me

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Speaker 1: right now is Chris donna form a homicide detective, has

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Speaker 1: been on many many cases where a child goes missing.

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Speaker 1: I found him during the Brian Kolberger investigation. We're still

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Speaker 1: waiting for that trial to ever happen. In his YouTube

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Speaker 1: Do you know, Chris mcdonna, I hope you're sitting down.

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Speaker 1: You may need to lay down for this one. Over

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Speaker 1: thirty percent of child abductions our school related at the

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Speaker 1: Thirty percent plus of all child abductions are school transport related.

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Speaker 11: That is definitely a shocking statistic, Nancy. And you know

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Speaker 6: As Nancy, I don't find that shocking at all.

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Speaker 1: I really, guys, you're hearing doctor Bethany Marshall, high profile psychoanalyst,

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Speaker 6: I still respect Chris McDonough by. And it's true it's

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Speaker 6: School grounds, bus stops, they are feeding grounds for predators.

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Speaker 6: Where is a predator, where is a child molestor a pedophile?

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Speaker 1: I've handled case after case after case where children go

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Speaker 1: We know that that morning, the morning that Audrey Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: She never even got on the bus. Listen to Rachel

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Speaker 13: Stories discovering Audrey Cunningham never got on the bus. Please

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Speaker 13: ask for help from the community investigators, ask for security

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Speaker 13: video people might have from the area or of the

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Speaker 1: Lanta Shadwick, high profile lawyer joining us out of Livingston.

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Speaker 1: This jurisdiction in Texas. How far from the family home

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Speaker 8: Half mile from what I've seen on social media?

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Speaker 1: And you know what else, let me throw this to you,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, Chris McDonough, Carlic Castillo, Lanta, Shadowy anybody. We

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Speaker 1: would typically walk home from school every day. It was

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Speaker 1: age a half a mile. That's a pretty good walk

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Speaker 1: Do we know what time she typically left the home

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Speaker 5: No, not officially, unfortunately, but I know in some of

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Speaker 6: Well, not only is a half a mile a long

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Speaker 6: What if there's a predator in that neighborhood. Remember Chanelle

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Speaker 1: Live Chanel Petro Nixon.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, the perpetrator lived in the apartment buildings, so

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Speaker 6: he saw her repeatedly over time. Little Jessica Lunsford remember,

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Speaker 1: Well, Caddy Corner from her.

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Speaker 6: Home, Pattie Corner who saw her.

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Speaker 1: Was a registered sex offender, a kooie remember him, Jay Cooey? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hey rotten hell. But you know you're reminding me Dr

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Speaker 1: Bethany of something I would always tell yourrs. Perps cove

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Speaker 1: it at which they see. In other words, that's why

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Speaker 6: When children are abducted and killed. They're usually buried within

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Speaker 6: man who worked in a pharmacy that found like little Abigail,

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Speaker 1: In this case, doctor Bethany is completely correct. Who in

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Speaker 1: which is also significant in a nutshell, Chris mag data,

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Speaker 1: because violent crimes usually don't happen that early in the morning.

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Speaker 11: Agree, disagree, Agree, And this is why that to me,

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Speaker 11: And you know, statistically across the country about forty five

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Speaker 1: Now enter the forty two year old family friend covered

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Speaker 14: Audrey Cunningham's dad has a friend of his is staying

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Speaker 1: And more we're hearing from Sheriff Byron Lyons listen.

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Speaker 15: He was was supbably taking her to the dropping off

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Speaker 15: There has been information found that there are some occasions

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Speaker 1: Who is this guy number one? He's got a big

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Speaker 5: So Don Stephen McDougall, is somebody I, as an adult,

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Speaker 5: The conviction was not for something that apparently required him

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Speaker 1: So he was not required to register as a sex offender.

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Speaker 1: Listen now to Lieutenant Craig Cummings.

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Speaker 4: Want to announce the Pope County Crime Stoppers reward has

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Speaker 1: Did you see these tattoos?

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Speaker 11: Yes, some of those tattoos obviously come from inside the

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Speaker 11: prison system. There's information that this gentleman McDougall was affiliated

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Speaker 7: The thing about the tattoos that seeks out for me

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Speaker 7: So not only are the tattoos exposed, he wants you

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Speaker 1: You know what that speaks volumes to me. Dr Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Why is this animal out of the prison system, And

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Speaker 1: that's where you get these tattoos, not in the county

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Speaker 1: And he's not ashamed. Like Cheryl said, a swastika. That

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Speaker 5: He's holding a.

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Speaker 6: Beer can in his hands.

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Speaker 1: Holding a whole beer is not a felony. But I'm

432
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Speaker 1: telling you, I know, crazingly showing off. And it's on

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Speaker 1: his Facebook. It's on his Facebook, that's where I saw it.

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Speaker 1: He posted it, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: He's prisoner identified. That means that he's not identified with

436
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Speaker 6: being like a normal civilian out in the public. He's

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Speaker 6: identified with that particular community that lives in penitentiaries. They

438
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Speaker 6: do have a community, and in terms of hierarchy, in

439
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Speaker 6: terms of how they work out together, in terms of

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Speaker 6: what kinds of tattoos they have. So I would wonder

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Speaker 6: if this guy has not just been in prison once,

442
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Speaker 6: but been in and out of the prison multiple times.

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Speaker 6: And that's why he's living in a trailer behind somebody's house.

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Speaker 6: He probably doesn't have long term gainful employment. He probably

445
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Speaker 6: has short term gigs. I think he's kind of weird

446
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 6: that on this one picture he has his shirt off.

447
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Speaker 6: He has a big belly, but he's completely covered in

448
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Speaker 6: tattoos from the neck all the way down. I don't

449
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Speaker 6: know he has his panthon, so I don't know below

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Speaker 6: the bells.

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Speaker 1: Oh wit a minute, Why in the h double L

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Speaker 1: would you let this guy take your eleven year old

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Speaker 1: to school? I mean, did he dupe the parents into

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Speaker 1: thinking he's really a good guy?

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Speaker 14: You know what?

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Speaker 6: I do not want to vilify the parents when they

457
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Speaker 6: are in a time of great distrust.

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Speaker 1: Not when I asked you, I ask you, did he

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Speaker 1: dupe them?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: He probably did? Because Okay, so let me start again.

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Speaker 6: Offenders predators do not just groom a child. They groom

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Speaker 6: the entire family. So usually they become good friends with

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Speaker 6: the parents. Usually they'll offer to do favors for the kids,

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Speaker 6: and they ingratiate themselves and it's not usually until they've

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Speaker 6: been with the family for a long time but they

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Speaker 6: start to molest the child.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, how did the our grandparents know this guy? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's okay to have a sex offender. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I've got details on the sex offense the prior Atlanta

471
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Speaker 1: Shadwick tried not to do a backflip when you hear this.

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Speaker 1: McDougall allegedly attempted to engage in sex contact with a

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Speaker 1: girl under seventeen. According to a grandeur indictment, he removed

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Speaker 1: another female from the bed where the victim was sleeping.

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Speaker 1: He got in and pulled down the little girl's pajama

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Speaker 1: bottoms and underwear. He was indicted. He got bond at

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Speaker 1: twenty five K. A year later, he pled guilty to

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Speaker 1: enticing a child, a third degree felony in Texas. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I don't know if this has ever happened

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Speaker 1: to you. But when I was trying cases in the

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Speaker 1: inter city Atlanta, a lot of my witnesses would be

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Speaker 1: felons themselves, which I tell the jury up front, because

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Speaker 1: even the devil can tell the truth once in a

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Speaker 1: while when he wants to. And I would drive around

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Speaker 1: alone in my beat up Honda with convicted rapists, dopers,

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Speaker 1: you name it. I was not afraid why I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But can these guys charm you? Did them? Were the

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Speaker 1: parents charmed into thinking it was okay for this guy

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Speaker 1: to give their daughter a ride?

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Speaker 7: Nancy, I'm not blaming a victim.

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Speaker 1: Did I ask you to blame a victim? No, but

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Speaker 1: it's with you and doctor Bethany. I am a crime victim. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to blame the victim. I'm asking

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Speaker 1: you about the per the person of interest. Could he

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Speaker 1: have charmed the parents? No?

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Speaker 7: And here's why. I don't know how in the world

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Speaker 7: you could be charmed by somebody that's got not one,

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Speaker 7: but three swastickers and then they've got that double lightning bolt.

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Speaker 1: Well, you need to explain what that means. Cheryldon, just

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Speaker 1: throw it out without explaining it.

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Speaker 7: Aryan nation, white supremacy, I hate group and they they

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Speaker 7: know good well that that is not a tattoo.

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Speaker 5: That means anything else.

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Speaker 7: And in combination with he's got ain't afraid, he's got

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Speaker 7: bob wire, he's got one and two, he's got a

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Speaker 7: pit bull, he's got a map of the United States

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Speaker 7: with stars and bars, the rebel flag. Every single thing

508
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Speaker 7: on his body tells you he's a white supremacist.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: The East Texas, unfortunately, is a heavy drug community or

511
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Speaker 8: a camp.

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Speaker 10: Math is prolific.

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Speaker 8: This area is supposed to be a mess area. If

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Speaker 8: parents when they're on I've worked for child Projective Services,

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Speaker 8: I've been a family law judge and a prosecutor. When

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Speaker 8: people are on drugs, they are dull to reality. And

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Speaker 8: if they don't have a babysitter, and you gotta have

518
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Speaker 8: a babysitter, you've just grabbed the guy in the camper

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Speaker 8: in the back with these supplying drugs.

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Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing Atlanta Shadwick right now. I don't have

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Speaker 1: any information that anybody in that home was using drugs.

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Speaker 1: But as far as that area being known for drugs, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's true. We do know the so called babysitter, Don

524
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Speaker 1: Stephen McDougall, who has served time for child's sake offenses,

525
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Speaker 1: has now been identified as a pay person of inches.

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Speaker 1: What more do we know? More disturbing information, Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Sidney Sumner Crime online.

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Speaker 3: On Thursday evening as a state white Amber alert is

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Speaker 3: issued for Audrey Cunningham. The man who was with her

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Speaker 3: last Dawn. Stephen McDougall is listing items for sale on

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Speaker 3: Facebook market please listed as all must go. The items

532
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Speaker 3: include parts to an HVAC system, a set of weights,

533
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Speaker 3: and an everlast punching back. A KPRC producer sends a

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Speaker 3: message to McDougall amount items for sale, and around three

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Speaker 3: am McDougall responds, but only one.

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Speaker 1: Carlo Castillo joining me KBTX. That's not a good sign.

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Speaker 1: So after Audrey Cunningham goes missing after he reportedly is

538
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Speaker 1: driving her to the bus stop and she never gets

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Speaker 1: on the bus, he starts selling all this stuff online.

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Speaker 5: That does not leave a good impression. It sounds to

541
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Speaker 5: me like someone who's trying to get rid of everything

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00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 5: he's got and maybe lead town.

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Speaker 1: A long rap sheet going back as far as two

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Speaker 1: thousand and one, joining us as you know at is

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Speaker 1: Lisa Shadwick, who's paralegal has had contact with McDougall. What

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Speaker 1: happened to your paralegal's boyfriend, Lana?

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Speaker 8: Okay, Lana, he gabs stabbed in August. I mean he

548
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Speaker 8: was stabbed with the sky in August.

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Speaker 1: And this guy has been spotted in a dark blue

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Speaker 1: suv in and around downtown Livingston. Listen to Nicole parton

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Speaker 1: Crime Story.

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Speaker 14: Around six thirty pm on Friday, February sixteen, Don Stephen

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Speaker 14: McDougall is arrested and placed in the Polk County Jail,

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Speaker 14: not for the disappearance of Audrey Cunningham, but on an

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Speaker 14: unrelated aggravated assault with a deadly weapons charge. The public

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Speaker 14: now finds out that McDougall has a criminal record dating

557
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Speaker 14: back to two thousand and one for charges, and in

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Speaker 14: two thousand and eight, authorities say he was convicted on

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Speaker 14: a charge of enticing a child and was sentenced to

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Speaker 14: two years.

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Speaker 1: Alana Shadwick joining us a high profile lawyer out of Livingston,

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Speaker 1: former judge and prosecutor Atlanta. So this guy, the friend

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Speaker 1: in the backyard camper has been picked up on your

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Speaker 1: paralegal boyfriend knifing? Is that right? That's why he's in

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Speaker 1: jail right now, Thank god.

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Speaker 8: That's correct.

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Speaker 16: But push this knifeing stabbing that occurred in the middle

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Speaker 16: of nights in August August, and so he was just

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Speaker 16: now arrested and indicted for that stabbing. So he's in

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Speaker 16: jail now, behind.

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Speaker 8: Bars where he can't hurt anyone. But this happened back

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Speaker 8: in August, and there's a lot of finger pointing.

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Speaker 1: Now we're trying to figure out where was his vehicle spotted.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Sheriff Byron Allions, Polk County.

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Speaker 15: One of the reasons that we're asking for the videos,

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Speaker 15: we're trying to piece together a timeline of where he's

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Speaker 15: being and the travel that he took, the roadways that

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Speaker 15: he took. So this area is just one that's in

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Speaker 15: particular that we can say that we know that he

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Speaker 15: was in and so we're making sure that we do

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Speaker 15: extensive search of those arrogas. But the problem is is

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Speaker 15: that when we have a lot and I know that

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Speaker 15: people are concerned and people want to help, but a

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Speaker 15: lot of time when we bring too many people into

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Speaker 15: an area, it hinders our efforts and being able to

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Speaker 15: try to find and locate the evidence.

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Speaker 1: The police now desperately asking if you have seen this vehicle,

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Speaker 1: christmin Donna, what kind of car is it?

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Speaker 11: Specifically, it's a dark blue suburban. It's very dirty, and

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Speaker 11: they're looking for it in relationship to video or anything

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Speaker 11: to that effect, probably because they locked him in to

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Speaker 11: a story and what they're looking for is to find

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Speaker 11: some type of you know, correlating evidence that.

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Speaker 17: Would blow holes in that particular story.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, Lanna Shadwick joining us a

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Speaker 1: lawyer out of Livingston. Is it true cops.

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Speaker 8: Have the vehicle yet, the vehicle, and there's tapes of

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Speaker 8: him at the donut shop across from the courthouse down

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Speaker 8: from the.

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Speaker 5: With the vehicle.

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Speaker 8: Then they arrested him or took him or detained him

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Speaker 8: and asked him questions.

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Speaker 5: So they've got the vehicle now, and you know what in.

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Speaker 1: That video you're talking about, he looks very relaxed. He's

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Speaker 1: kind of like leaned up on his vehicle, all propped

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Speaker 1: up on it. I saw that. But what you just said,

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Speaker 1: Lena Shadwick is very very important. Explain forensically the importance

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum of them having his vehicle.

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Speaker 7: They're going to be able to take the mud and

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Speaker 7: test it to see if this was right by that river.

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Speaker 7: They are going to look for blood, They're gonna look

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Speaker 7: for hair, They're gonna look for anything that was left

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Speaker 7: by her, maybe a toy, maybe something from her backpack

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Speaker 7: that got torn off, like a little keychain or something.

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Speaker 7: They're going to look for anything that should not be

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Speaker 7: there again, underwear, blood, large amounts of hair, ripped clothing, toys,

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Speaker 7: anything that should not have been left in that vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and now another development it could give some people

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Speaker 1: hope not to me. Take a listen to Sheriff Byron Lyons.

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Speaker 15: We feel strongly today that that backpack that was found

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Speaker 15: is high probability that is going.

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Speaker 17: To be Audrey's.

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Speaker 1: A backpack has been found. Cheryl McCollum, What does that

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Speaker 1: tell you?

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Speaker 7: It tells me we've got a direction or travel. It

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Speaker 7: tells me we've got an item that this child would

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Speaker 7: not have left behind willingly. It also tells me the

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Speaker 7: location of where that backpack is in relation to the

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Speaker 7: bus stop. Here's what I think we're looking at, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: He was seen at the gas station at.

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Speaker 1: Nine o'clock without her on the video.

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Speaker 7: Without her on the video, So that's a two hour window,

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Speaker 7: so she's less than an hour away. In any given

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Speaker 7: direction where that backpack is, they should fan out almost

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00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 7: you know, think about it as a spiral and you

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Speaker 7: just go out and out and out. She's going to

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Speaker 7: be there near that waterway or in that water somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Carla Castillo joining us kBT X. Exactly where was the

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Speaker 1: backpack found?

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Speaker 5: It would sound near according to the sheriff, it was

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Speaker 5: near the dam, the Lake Livingston Dam.

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Speaker 1: Landa shadowick tell me about Lake Livingston Dam.

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Speaker 16: The lake was built man made.

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Speaker 7: It is huge.

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Speaker 8: It's the second largest lake in the state of Texas.

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Speaker 8: It connects to the Trinity River, which goes into Leave

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Speaker 8: the Sandston River, which goes into the Gulf. And it

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Speaker 8: is a moving body of water. And I hope that baby's.

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Speaker 1: Not out there, you know. I'm just thinking about what

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Speaker 1: you're saying and what Cheryl McCollum is saying. Everybody jumping

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Speaker 1: if you have a thought on this. I don't need

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Speaker 1: DNA to tell me if it's John, David or Lucy's backpack.

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Speaker 1: I know what it looks like and I know what's

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Speaker 1: in it because I look at it every morning, every afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and every night before it goes back to school. One

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Speaker 1: of the few clues in the disappearance of this little

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Speaker 1: eleven year old girl, Audie Cunningham, is a red Hello

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Speaker 1: Kitty backpack that she was supposed to carry to school

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Speaker 1: with her on Thursday morning, Feb fifteen, the morning after

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Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, usually leaves a house around seven am. She

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Speaker 1: never made it to the bus stop half a mile away.

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Speaker 1: She was given a ride by a family friend covered

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Speaker 1: in Nazi swastika's. He was spotted without her at nine

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Speaker 1: a m. At a local gas station. Whatever went down

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Speaker 1: went down in two hours. Would do you agree or disagree? Cheryl?

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Speaker 1: I don't think this guy has the brains are the

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Speaker 1: wherewithal to hide somebody away and continue to visit them

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Speaker 1: and torture them and rape them. Whatever happened to her

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Speaker 1: happened between seven and nine.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, And if you look at pre and post behavior, Nancy,

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Speaker 7: you've got a guy that is vacant for that period

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Speaker 7: of time, but he doesn't know the school, hasn't notified anybody,

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Speaker 7: so he's working very quickly.

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Speaker 6: This same person.

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Speaker 7: Finds it more important to sell items on Facebook and

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Speaker 7: respond to people instead of looking for this child.

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Speaker 1: Chris I agree with Cheryl.

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Speaker 11: I agree on Cheryl is one thousand percent correct, and

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Speaker 11: I think what's happening. You know, the sad part of this,

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Speaker 11: If in fact that poor child is in that water,

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Speaker 11: it'll be seven to ten days before her body potentially

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Speaker 11: with surface, depends on the currents there. And if that

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Speaker 11: body does surface, you know, God forbid it is in

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Speaker 11: the water, then that it could surface anywhere. And so

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Speaker 11: I suspect the PD if they're going to lean towards

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Speaker 11: that body of water, we're going to see some movement

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Speaker 11: around that lake pretty rapidly.

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Speaker 1: Carlo Castillo joining us KBTX News, has the person of

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Speaker 1: interest the Aryan Brotherhood member. Has he been taking police

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Speaker 1: to locations or identifying police for police locations to search.

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Speaker 5: So the sheriff during his latest press conference said that, yes,

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Speaker 5: there have been some instances. He didn't stay where, but

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Speaker 5: he said that McDougall has been taking them to locations

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Speaker 5: to he has been asked where were you in the

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Speaker 5: last in so many hours, and he has apparently been

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Speaker 5: taking them to those locations.

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Speaker 1: To the locations where he says he was right correct.

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Speaker 1: I take that with a box of salt. So Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, Lanti Shdwick, Carl Gustilla. Have you noticed that

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Speaker 1: very often defendants will tell you half truths, or they

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Speaker 1: might tell you a lot of the story, but they'll

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Speaker 1: leave out a significant portion, like, yeah, I went to

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Speaker 1: the gas station, and I stopped at Duncan Donuts, and

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Speaker 1: then I did this and then. But they're leaving out

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Speaker 1: something in the middle of that, right, so where he

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Speaker 1: dumped the child. The sheriff is say they have not

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Speaker 1: given up hope that Audrey is alive. But wouldn't this

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Speaker 1: be a simple matter of pinging his cell phone Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 7: Tracking It could be unless he turned it off. But

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you something, what law enforcement has already done

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Speaker 7: is brilliant because they have locked him in and I

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Speaker 7: guarantee you if they have videoed him saying I went

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Speaker 7: here and here and here, and they've got him on

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Speaker 7: the record and own video saying where all he went. Well,

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Speaker 7: now he came back track.

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Speaker 5: Let's hear from Atlanta, Okay, speaking the.

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Speaker 8: Tracks they got mud track from his vehicle along the lake.

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Speaker 8: Whether you know he's fishing or whatever he said he

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Speaker 8: was doing. There's a bumper of his that hit a tree.

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Speaker 8: They've got that bumper evidence, and of course they've got

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Speaker 8: the video and camera footage from the area that the

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Speaker 8: sheriff said yesterday during the press conference that video from

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Speaker 8: individuals out there have been very very helpful. And what

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Speaker 8: that means, I don't know, but he said it's been

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Speaker 8: very helpful.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Chris McDonough, What is he doing out there

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Speaker 1: bumping into a tree? Why would he do that unless

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Speaker 1: he was in haste and the same location, the same

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Speaker 1: lake where the Hello kit he backpack is found.

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Speaker 11: He's in panic mode here when if in fact, you know,

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Speaker 11: he is dumping those evidence items there and he's backing

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Speaker 11: out the potentially you know, some of these guys get

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Speaker 11: such tunnel vision after you know the crime has gone

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Speaker 11: down that they start to you know, panic and that

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Speaker 11: these are the kind of problems that occur, you know,

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Speaker 11: small accidents such as this. But he's given an opportunity

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Speaker 11: to cooperate from the PD and to share what Cheryl

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Speaker 11: said earlier is one thousand percent again correct, because they

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Speaker 11: want to lock him in and then of course they

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Speaker 11: can have problems like this and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 11: tell me about the bumper on your car?

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Speaker 17: How did you get that?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, so you've got somebody that has said I was

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Speaker 7: with her that morning. He forgot to hide the backpack appropriately.

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Speaker 7: That's another mistake that put himself at a location that

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Speaker 7: I believe is going to end up really hurting any

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Speaker 7: kind of events he could put up later. He is

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Speaker 7: putting himself where her body will be located in the

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Speaker 7: general area.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Scott Peterson had trouble either backing in or

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Speaker 1: out of the marina after he dumped Lacey's body. Remember

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Speaker 1: that on a normal day he probably wouldn't have had

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Speaker 1: that problem, But with the nerves, whether he realized it

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Speaker 1: or not, he did have a problem. This guy here

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Speaker 1: bams into a tree with a distinctive bumper mark. Wonder

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Speaker 1: what that is? What could that be? But it's his

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Speaker 1: all right? So why run into a tree? Why in

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Speaker 1: a hurry? Why that mistake? Why in the location of

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Speaker 1: her Hello Kitty backpack? As we close all eyes on

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Speaker 1: the gathering law enforcement, we have learned a body has

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Speaker 1: been found and in the last moments it has been

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Speaker 1: identified as Audrey. Listen.

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Speaker 15: At this time, I sadly announced that Audrey's body was

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Speaker 15: located at the Trinity River under US Highway fifty nine.

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Speaker 18: As a result of today's developments, I will discontinue the

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Speaker 18: Amber Alert for Audrey, and I want to thank DPS

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Speaker 18: Department of Public Safety for all their help in this alert.

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Speaker 18: The information that we have gathered in this criminal investigation

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Speaker 18: is substantial. The Polk County Sheriff's Office, investigators, the Libery

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Speaker 18: and Police Department, and the Texas Rangers, the Game Warns, FBI,

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Speaker 18: Harris County Sheriff's Office, the Santa Centa County Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 18: the District Attorney's office in Trinity County, in Liberty County

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Speaker 18: is just an outpouring of love from all of our

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Speaker 18: law enfortment's enforcement partners. My heart aches with this news

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Speaker 18: and I expressed with my deepest sympathies and controlencis to

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Speaker 18: everyone who knew who cared for Audrey. The Sheriff's office,

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Speaker 18: we will continue to process the evidence that have been

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Speaker 18: gathered to ensure that the justice for Audrey, and at

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Speaker 18: this time I will turn the podium over to the

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Speaker 18: Pote County District Attorney, Miss Shelley soon.

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Speaker 19: Thank you. My name is Shelley Sitton and I am

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Speaker 19: your Polk County District Attorney. I just want to take

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Speaker 19: a few moments to explain how we're going to move

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Speaker 19: forward from here based on all of the evidence that

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Speaker 19: law enforcement has collected. They are in the process of

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Speaker 19: preparing the appropriate arrest warrants for down Stephen McDougall. At

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Speaker 19: this time, we believe the appropriate arrest warrant is going

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Speaker 19: to be for capital murder in the death of Audrey Cunningham.

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Speaker 5: Be sure to join us for Wednesday's Crime Stories when

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Speaker 5: we bring you the very latest on this developing story.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,