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Speaker 2: The Minnesota Vikings are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: It's official.
Speaker 2: There are two reports the Vikings are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the Steelers still are. I don't
Speaker 2: know if the Giants are. I don't know if Rogers
Speaker 2: is pursuing the Giants. Is he pursuing the Steelers. We
Speaker 2: tried to kick the tires on this Viking situation, and
Speaker 2: I wondered.
Speaker 3: I was skeptical, but I thought, Okay, if.
Speaker 2: The Vikings are interested in him and JJ McCarthy's not
Speaker 2: ready to play, okay, then I would take it. I
Speaker 2: would take a chance on Aaron Rodgers for one year.
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is your future. You trade it up to
Speaker 2: get him at number ten in the draft last year.
Speaker 2: But I just didn't know. It felt like maybe Rogers
Speaker 2: was interested. I just didn't know if it was reciprocated,
Speaker 2: and maybe internally the Vikings were saying, hey, what about this?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Maybe you talk to JJ McCarthy, maybe you get an
Speaker 2: update on his recovery time, and then you finally come
Speaker 2: to the realization we're good now.
Speaker 3: I do think they made.
Speaker 2: A mistake in letting Daniel Jones go because I'd like
Speaker 2: to have a little bit of experience there as a backup.
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold was going to cost you more. I got that,
Speaker 2: But Daniel Jones, I think you could have kept him
Speaker 2: there and he would have been maybe okay as a backup.
Speaker 2: But you're getting somebody who is going to be basically
Speaker 2: a rookie in playing, but coming off knee surgery, and
Speaker 2: there's going to be an adjustment period. This is a
Speaker 2: team that was a playoff team, had aspirations of going
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. But now if you're Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: does Aaron Rodgers want to stay in New York? If
Speaker 2: you wanted to go to the Steelers, you probably would
Speaker 2: have gone to the Steelers. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: a great fit. It it's just because it's you know,
Speaker 2: if he goes into Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh is the star. He
Speaker 2: went to the Jets and they're like, what do you want?
Speaker 2: Do whatever you want? You want to change the Colors.
Speaker 3: I don't care. They were desperate.
Speaker 2: The Steelers aren't desperate, but it feels like you go
Speaker 2: in there, that's Mike Tomlin you're dealing with, You're dealing
Speaker 2: with t J. Watt, Mika Fitzpatrick. Cam Hayward had something
Speaker 2: to say he's the Steeler defensive lineman on the Not
Speaker 2: Just Football podcast on what would your recruiting pitch be
Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers to join the Steelers.
Speaker 4: I ain't doing that or darkness, darkness, treat, retreat. I
Speaker 4: don't mean any of that crap, like either you want
Speaker 4: to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't. That's that's simple.
Speaker 4: That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's
Speaker 4: the recruit pitch. You know, Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want
Speaker 4: to be part of it, so be it. If you don't,
Speaker 4: no skin on my back exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been saying. You're the Pittsburgh Steelers. Don't
Speaker 2: lower yourself. Oh Aaron, could you please come here?
Speaker 3: Move on?
Speaker 2: You should have kept justin Fields. At least that gave
Speaker 2: you a bridge quarterback for the next two years. Maybe
Speaker 2: he develops into something. Now, what do you have? Mason Rudolph? Okay,
Speaker 2: are you gonna bring Russ back? If it's true that
Speaker 2: Russ and Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator, didn't get along
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, or maybe he didn't
Speaker 2: see eye to eye. But you're the Steelers, now, I
Speaker 2: get it. The Giants, they are going to have to
Speaker 2: beg to get Aaron Rodgers. The Giants who would have
Speaker 2: thought one of the blue bloods, and you're waiting to
Speaker 2: find out what Aaron Rodgers, Please come and play for
Speaker 2: our team. Feels like the Giants are taking Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 2: I don't have any information on that other than it
Speaker 2: feels like Shadoor has thought all along that's where he
Speaker 2: was going. Now, can you bring in somebody? Do you
Speaker 2: bring in Aaron Rodgers and let Shador Sanders sit a year?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 2: But the once proud New York Football Giants they're waiting
Speaker 2: for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: And if you're the.
Speaker 2: Steelers, move on, move on. You might not have somebody
Speaker 2: as good as Aaron Rodgers, or the ceiling might not
Speaker 2: be as high, but move on, the Steelers. You don't
Speaker 2: do this, please, And then Russell Wilson, I still think
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins plays a role in this somewhere, at some point, somehow.
Speaker 2: Now the Falcons, you know, they have him, they're paying him,
Speaker 2: they want him to be their backup and it feels
Speaker 2: like every team needs a you know, a good backup.
Speaker 2: If you're going to be a playoff team, you've got
Speaker 2: to have a good backup. Chances are your quarterback's going
Speaker 2: to get inged up a little bit at some point
Speaker 2: somewhere down the line. Michael Pennix Junior, the third has
Speaker 2: been banged up in his career, early in his career
Speaker 2: when he was in Indiana. So the quarterback in carousel,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's stopped or but it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like it's going at the same speed that we
Speaker 2: thought it was going to. I thought Aaron Rodgers would
Speaker 2: make a decision by last Friday, but he's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: Maybe he waits. Maybe you wait until after the draft.
Speaker 2: And this is what I wondered with some of these teams.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get a quarterback. You might get a quarterback.
Speaker 2: If you don't get your quarterback, then things change a
Speaker 2: little bit. Then all of a sudden, maybe there's more
Speaker 2: people interested in Russell Wilson, Maybe there's more people interested
Speaker 2: in Kirk Cousins. Maybe he becomes more valuable in it
Speaker 2: as a trade possibility. There's always the chance that Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers just says I'm done and this came out. I'd
Speaker 2: love to give maybe it was Dyna Rassini. I'd love
Speaker 2: to give the credit to the person. But it felt
Speaker 2: like there is that option on the table, and that
Speaker 2: seems obvious at his age, what he went through with
Speaker 2: the Jets. But then we always come back to the phone. Well,
Speaker 2: you don't want to go out this way? How do
Speaker 2: you think Aaron Rodgers is going to go out? Probably
Speaker 2: not on a high note unless he goes to the Vikings.
Speaker 2: You can't all be John Elway. And if you're going
Speaker 2: to go to the Giants, how do you think you're
Speaker 2: going to go out? This isn't Travis Kelsey who played
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. Hey, I want to come back, Okay,
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers does he want to play?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Does he know?
Speaker 2: But if I'm the Steelers, I make you an offer
Speaker 2: and you don't want to come we're the Steelers, then
Speaker 2: I say all right, we move on. Were the Vikings
Speaker 2: ever really interested in him? Was he more interested in them?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: There are reports that he loves New York wants to
Speaker 2: stay in the New York area if he's going to play.
Speaker 2: Whether that's true or not, but he would go from
Speaker 2: one locker room to the other locker.
Speaker 3: Room in the same building, from the Jets to the Giants.
Speaker 2: But that's the updated news with Aaron Rodgers holding us
Speaker 2: all hostage. Not much longer though, right eight seven seven
Speaker 2: three DP show email address DP Atdanpatrick dot com Twitter
Speaker 2: handle a TP show. Watched basketball last night and I
Speaker 2: was curious just how good North Carolina was going to be.
Speaker 2: And this doesn't This doesn't prove really anything.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: This is where Tarhel fans will say, oh, are you
Speaker 2: going to apologize today? No, for what I didn't think.
Speaker 2: You deserve to be in the tournament. It's not the
Speaker 2: end of the world.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: If you're really honest about your team, you probably would
Speaker 2: say you didn't deserve to be.
Speaker 3: In the tournament.
Speaker 5: But you take it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Fine, you beat San Diego State. Great, maybe you
Speaker 2: make a run. We've seen teams in the first four
Speaker 2: end up in the final four and you know they
Speaker 2: they're on a mission. Here Alabama State at the buzzer
Speaker 2: gets by Saint Francis Penncil. Not a great couple of
Speaker 2: days for West Virginia Basket. West Virginia doesn't get in
Speaker 2: the tournament, thought they deserved to get in over North Carolina,
Speaker 2: and then to make matters worse, they lost their basketball coach.
Speaker 2: He went to Indiana. Darien Davrees. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he would have gone to Indiana had West Virginia made
Speaker 2: the tournament. After they get bounced, you you eventually go
Speaker 2: to Indiana. I'm not sure. But Mike Woodson, who got
Speaker 2: Indiana to the doorstep of making the tournament, got fired.
Speaker 2: Darien Devrees, who was kind of the I think the
Speaker 2: guy after the guy to clean up Bob Huggins mess
Speaker 2: at West Virginia, but he goes from West Virginia. I
Speaker 2: don't know if the governor holds a press conference and
Speaker 2: has anything to say today about losing their basketball coach.
Speaker 3: Yes, your alma manor yeah.
Speaker 6: I think the big part was Bob Huggins. This is
Speaker 6: kind of after I think Darren Derees. He was, like
Speaker 6: you said, kind of the guy after the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now going to Indiana. Steve Alford never got
Speaker 2: a shot. Now Steve's at Nevada, and I thought that
Speaker 2: that was one of those that was always going to
Speaker 2: be inevitable, and then all of a sudden it wasn't.
Speaker 7: Yes, Marvin, looking back on history, don't you think that's
Speaker 7: a bad idea? You saw Patrick Ewing at Georgetown and
Speaker 7: Chris mall And at Saint John's an it's going okay
Speaker 7: for Penny Hardaway at Memphis, But isn't it tough to
Speaker 7: be the greatest player in the hit not one of
Speaker 7: the greatest players in the history of a program going
Speaker 7: back to be the head coach.
Speaker 3: Like Clyde Drexler at Houston.
Speaker 2: You can't hire somebody without the thought that you may
Speaker 2: have to fire them. And with you know, Chris Mallin
Speaker 2: at Saint John's, Patrick Ewing at George like, these are
Speaker 2: your all timers, and of course it has to be
Speaker 2: awkward when you come back. You know, there's there's a
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame ceremony alumni w and yeah, you're introducing
Speaker 2: Chris Mallin or Patrick Ewing and everybody's thinking the same thing.
Speaker 3: The school fired them, yes, Martin.
Speaker 7: And it's hard because those two are easily the greatest
Speaker 7: players in the history of that program, so everyone's looking
Speaker 7: for them. Steve Alford, I'm not sure if he's the great.
Speaker 7: I don't know much about Indiana basketball, so I don't
Speaker 7: know who the greatest player is that ever went there,
Speaker 7: but it's got to be difficult if you come back
Speaker 7: after getting fired.
Speaker 2: But this was a guy who played for Bob Knight.
Speaker 2: He said local, he's an Indiana kid. You won a
Speaker 2: national title with him. I just and I think Dan Dakisch,
Speaker 2: who played at Indiana radio hostel join us tomorrow and
Speaker 2: I can ask him more about this. But it just
Speaker 2: felt like Steve Alford wasn't considered for that job. You know,
Speaker 2: he had UCLA at Iowa Nevada, but Indiana now has
Speaker 2: West Virginia's head coach. All Right, see what's poll question today?
Speaker 6: I was gonna go with most sure thing in in
Speaker 6: the tournament.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, by the way, a sure thing the Dodgers won.
Speaker 2: They just beat the Cubs and get a load of
Speaker 2: Roki Sisaki. If you get a chance to watch him
Speaker 2: pitch his first three pitches hyundi, hundi, hundi, and then
Speaker 2: his next pitch was ninety nine. Then he had a
Speaker 2: splitter at eighty two. Sh he It feels like he
Speaker 2: either strikes you out or walks you. But you want
Speaker 2: to talk about some electric stuff. They may not need
Speaker 2: Otani to pitch this year. Imagine if you're in the
Speaker 2: Nation League West and you're like, damn, we're already two
Speaker 2: games behind the Dodgers because nobody else has played except
Speaker 2: for the Dodgers and the Cubs. But they ended up
Speaker 2: winning Otani Homward in the game. This is just business
Speaker 2: as usual. But Sisaki has I'm trying to think, who
Speaker 2: reminds me of Yeah, Pong Nuk.
Speaker 8: Lush well, a little three innings, one hit, one in run,
Speaker 8: five walks in three k Yeah.
Speaker 2: But as far as man, he's got some stuff. But
Speaker 2: they ended up beating the Cubs, you know, and you
Speaker 2: get sometimes you'll get that Japanese player who might be
Speaker 2: twenty six or twenty seven each row. I think was
Speaker 2: twenty six twenty seven when he came over. Uh, Susaki's
Speaker 2: twenty three. But that's that pipeline. They spent the money,
Speaker 2: They outspent everybody for him, and they you know, their
Speaker 2: pitching staff was decimated last year with injuries. And I mean,
Speaker 2: you have Clayton Kershaw as a luxury. He could be
Speaker 2: he could be your pitching coach at thirty five million
Speaker 2: dollars a year. May not need him that much, but
Speaker 2: I don't think the offense is going to be as good,
Speaker 2: but they're still going to be the overwhelming favorite to
Speaker 2: win the World Series. In fact, according to DraftKings, the
Speaker 2: Dodgers are plus two to ninety the second favorite. The
Speaker 2: Braves are plus seven fifty, the Yanks he's plus eight fifty.
Speaker 2: Then it's the Phillies, and then the Mets at plus
Speaker 2: twelve hundred.
Speaker 8: Yes, pum the bas is where there's two men on
Speaker 8: for Otani and they intentionally walked Otani.
Speaker 3: Not a good reaction from the local crowd. No.
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Speaker 2: former number one overall pick by the Magic back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. See Webb joining us who came up
Speaker 2: with the idea for the Black Socks with Michigan.
Speaker 3: Do you remember I do?
Speaker 11: I do, Ray Jackson.
Speaker 12: I had to interview them from my book Shameless Plug,
Speaker 12: but I had forgotten. So we were playing in Texas,
Speaker 12: were playing against Rice University, and you know they when
Speaker 12: you played with your teammates. Whenever you have a teammate
Speaker 12: that's from somewhere, when you go to their home, you
Speaker 12: want to show out. And so we knew we were
Speaker 12: gonna want to play well for Ray and Jimmy and
Speaker 12: Ray though he wanted to transfer, and Red had been
Speaker 12: talking about transferring to me for the whole summer. For
Speaker 12: the whole year. He felt that he was kind of
Speaker 12: left out, that he was escapego the coach. He was
Speaker 12: kind of tired of coach staying on him for a
Speaker 12: long time. So he and his friends decided to go
Speaker 12: to the mall. He bought a few different colored pair
Speaker 12: of socks and he was gonna wear them in protest.
Speaker 12: But he comes to the room, and you know how
Speaker 12: it is with your friends. He comes to the room,
Speaker 12: I'm sleep. He comes back at Jawana's like what is this?
Speaker 11: I love it.
Speaker 12: We're gonna wear those black socks. And Jalen's like, oh,
Speaker 12: let's go to the mall. So, Jayleen, Jimmy they ran
Speaker 12: to the mall, brought me a pair of black socks,
Speaker 12: and so raised frustration and protests turned into brothers saying, man's.
Speaker 11: Shut up, we love you. We're all gonna wear the
Speaker 11: black socks.
Speaker 12: And that's a whole nother story because we get in
Speaker 12: trouble for wearing the black socks for not including the
Speaker 12: rest of our teammates. So we have the black socks on,
Speaker 12: we're excited, we have our sweatpants on. We usually don't
Speaker 12: warm up with our sweatpants and warm up, you know,
Speaker 12: usually take them off in the shorts. We kept him
Speaker 12: on and we all get in the starter circle and
Speaker 12: coaches looking like what the hell, you know, because it
Speaker 12: was pretty obvious then and then after the game coach
Speaker 12: was fine, we went it. But after the game he
Speaker 12: called me to the side and said, come on, man,
Speaker 12: you know I was old. I'm the oldest of five kids.
Speaker 12: And he was like, would you do that with with
Speaker 12: you know, family members. He's like, no, we don't do
Speaker 12: that here. Everybody else to wear black sox. So he
Speaker 12: didn't understand how excited we were that Really what he
Speaker 12: was telling us is, yeah, y'all can wear them, but
Speaker 12: everyone can wear them. But Ray Jackson was the Ray
Speaker 12: Jackson was the start of that. He picked those socks.
Speaker 2: What about the baggy shorts. I know Jordan wore baggy shorts,
Speaker 2: but you guys went Baggier.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know it was Illinois and UNLB have really
Speaker 12: nice shorts Syracuse. You know, all the guys like Derek
Speaker 12: Coleman or Anderson Hunt. They would bring us their shorts
Speaker 12: in the summer and give us a pair of shorts.
Speaker 12: That was like gifting the guy a car to wear
Speaker 12: some official, you know short. Back then there was no
Speaker 12: fanatics and you know, no pramatic pess. You could just
Speaker 12: get them things like that. And so really what it
Speaker 12: was a funny story. The day we get to get
Speaker 12: our uniforms, we're all super excited. You know, that's a
Speaker 12: moment we get to look at your uniform, put it on.
Speaker 12: But thanks to Chip Armor and Eric Riley and all
Speaker 12: of the old heads, because they wanted just regular shorts
Speaker 12: and we were searching for that extra two inches in
Speaker 12: the cross in the scene. So we were able to
Speaker 12: trade with upper classmen who didn't get it yet. And
Speaker 12: then coach eventually he and Coach Dutcher of San Diego
Speaker 12: State now Heim Coach Dutcher eventually ordered us some longer shorts.
Speaker 12: So we were just complaining the whole time about you know,
Speaker 12: our shorts, you know the term then we didn't want
Speaker 12: Stockton's and we didn't want to get catch a yeast infection.
Speaker 12: That practice for a teammate and tight draws on. So
Speaker 12: you know, coach, he was cool. We had some tough
Speaker 12: practices for it. That's how we got to earn black
Speaker 12: socks and everything. You have to have tough practices, but
Speaker 12: we earned it.
Speaker 2: And Alls, well, we were talking about the great nickname,
Speaker 2: so he had fab five Fi Slama Jam and was great,
Speaker 2: Hoya Paranoia. Don't know if there's a Running Rebels. Don't
Speaker 2: know if there are any other team nickname that kind
Speaker 2: of belongs in that group.
Speaker 11: Man, that's good.
Speaker 12: I wish I had a time to think about that one,
Speaker 12: because that's gonna be on my mind. I really loved
Speaker 12: the Running Rebels. I mean to me, it said at all.
Speaker 12: Even they're Moniker with kind of the Yosemite Sam type character.
Speaker 12: You know, I'm in the I think them in Oklahoma
Speaker 12: get got to carry a gun around there at those times.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 12: I've always said the greatest personal nickname to me is
Speaker 12: the great one, and then you can go from there.
Speaker 12: But for the teams, I think it have to be made.
Speaker 12: Running Rebels back there.
Speaker 3: Were you aware of Georgetown with you wing.
Speaker 11: Are you serious?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 11: Back home, man, I'm with you.
Speaker 12: I'm a big sports fan, so yeah, and you gotta
Speaker 12: remember this well, it was really smart and then talking
Speaker 12: to Sonny but Carrol for my book, he was a
Speaker 12: really good guy. But they sluck into our minds early.
Speaker 12: So when you talk about Georgetown, yes, do I love
Speaker 12: John Thompson, Yes?
Speaker 11: Do I love.
Speaker 12: Zoe and all the big fellas they had Ewing and
Speaker 12: went Tumble, Yes, But what really started my love for
Speaker 12: him was the blue and Great Nikes. It was the
Speaker 12: blue and gray Starter jacket. And I don't think then
Speaker 12: really people remember what an influenced Starter had in our
Speaker 12: kind of in our life because you kind of got
Speaker 12: to be a pro before you were a pro and
Speaker 12: wear what you wanted to wear. So yeah, for me
Speaker 12: it was it was a really good time of fashion
Speaker 12: and where we won. But it all started with which
Speaker 12: you could wear on the street. And that's why I
Speaker 12: really loved Georgetown because of how cool they were even
Speaker 12: before I got to see them on the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I was meaning is growing up, you know,
Speaker 2: because Ewing and Hoy you know, Hoya paranoia was in
Speaker 2: the eighties and I curious if you were old enough
Speaker 2: to get gear, if you wanted to get gear from
Speaker 2: Georgetown or there was some other school, because I think
Speaker 2: you looked at Duke, didn't you. If you didn't go
Speaker 2: to Michigan, it was either Michigan State or Duke.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, and so Patrick you and it is a
Speaker 12: little older than me, and I didn't get Georgetown gear,
Speaker 12: but you would always see all the cool guys in
Speaker 12: the neighborhood wearing it. I remember his interview with my father,
Speaker 12: you know, telling me where Patrick gear was from. And
Speaker 12: I remember my mother telling me how smart you had
Speaker 12: to be to go to Georgetown. So I really remember
Speaker 12: those conversations more so than watching Pat play. But coach
Speaker 12: Carrill rest in Peace, who was a close close mentor
Speaker 12: of mine when I got into pros, I heard so
Speaker 12: many great stories about that Princeton Georgetown game, but those
Speaker 12: were much later, So no, I didn't really get to
Speaker 12: see that because I was going to Duke. I was
Speaker 12: going to Michigan State to be like Steve Smith going
Speaker 12: to Duke to play with Grant Hill or you know,
Speaker 12: luckily went to Michigan to play with Juwan j Range, Jim.
Speaker 2: The toughest guy you ever faced in college.
Speaker 12: Christian Ladner is the best, one of the best college
Speaker 12: players of all time. I think of great college players,
Speaker 12: I think of Kareem Walton. Uh, of course there are
Speaker 12: a lot of others that are mixed in that have
Speaker 12: one or two great years, but uh, it was it
Speaker 12: was by far, by far, Christian Laightner for me, because
Speaker 12: sorry Christian Layner, and big Dalton Robinson, because those two,
Speaker 12: Glenn Robinson, those two were the first big guys that
Speaker 12: can put it on the floor, that could dribble, that
Speaker 12: could pump fake, that could get you in foul trouble,
Speaker 12: that played outside the game. You know, when you look
Speaker 12: at the evolution of the game, we grew up when
Speaker 12: big guys weren't supposed to handle it. And so Layton
Speaker 12: being able to shoot three of these Laton being able
Speaker 12: to just do all the stuff that he did from
Speaker 12: a freshman all the way to a senior, I would
Speaker 12: definitely say, in my time, I think he was the
Speaker 12: toughest for me to play play against.
Speaker 2: Do you ever have a conversation with him about that
Speaker 2: rivalry and games you guys played against each other?
Speaker 12: No, no, no, but it's it's it's overdue it's it's
Speaker 12: long overdue. We should have a beer over because I
Speaker 12: think I've told you this before. My best one of
Speaker 12: my best college visits, if I had, you know, eight
Speaker 12: or nine of them, was definitely at Duke and Uh.
Speaker 12: And later there was my host, so I was very
Speaker 12: familiar with him when we played. That's why we talked
Speaker 12: so much junk to each other.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 12: And you know he knew my admiration. But the more
Speaker 12: admiration I have for you, the more to try to
Speaker 12: kill you anyway. And I think that's the same with him.
Speaker 12: But now we haven't talked about it, but you know,
Speaker 12: it'd be fun, fun, fun to talk about it.
Speaker 2: It would be it'd be a fun podcast where it's
Speaker 2: just you two talking about that time. Because you had Duke,
Speaker 2: the establishment, you guys, you know, freshman and UH going
Speaker 2: toe to toe with them. Well, you probably had people
Speaker 2: who liked you because they hate hated Duke so much.
Speaker 5: They did.
Speaker 12: And also I have people that were mad at me
Speaker 12: because I didn't hate Duke. I mean, I hate him
Speaker 12: because I wanted to beat him, but all of the
Speaker 12: other talk and this that I didn't get into it
Speaker 12: because I hated him enough just from basketball and I
Speaker 12: went to visit there, and I wanted to be part
Speaker 12: of you know, of that team. But you know, Coach
Speaker 12: K is such a special guy. And you know, when
Speaker 12: I think about and again keep saying to the book,
Speaker 12: by God's grace, when I think about Coach K coming
Speaker 12: to my house and recruiting me, he was an enemy territory. Actually,
Speaker 12: my friends were screaming one O three seventy three. One
Speaker 12: O three seventy three. That was the score that they
Speaker 12: lost against UNLV, And people are outside chanting as while
Speaker 12: he's walking in my house and all he does is
Speaker 12: turn around on the fortune of justice ring and everybody's
Speaker 12: like and so when I saw Coach K's toughness, you know,
Speaker 12: in the hood, and how he was and you know,
Speaker 12: respectful affairs and all that, he's always been one of
Speaker 12: my favorite coaches in the game as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, your boys are outside Coach K's
Speaker 2: walking into your house and they're mocking him of getting
Speaker 2: blown out by thirty by UNLV.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Dan, I actually got to send this to you because
Speaker 12: I interviewed my guys on the porch that he walked
Speaker 12: in and they were saying it. Because my father was
Speaker 12: like don't tell anybody, you know, Coach K's coming, and
Speaker 12: so the whole neighborhood dude. And so he gets out
Speaker 12: of the car and they are just booming. But when
Speaker 12: he walked back out, people are like, yeah, coach, you know,
Speaker 12: you know, good job. So he earned our respect. But yeah,
Speaker 12: coach Coach K was tough. It's not just it's not
Speaker 12: just an act. You know, he's a he's a good
Speaker 12: guy in touchs at herd and so he's always had
Speaker 12: my respect. He is overmind me a lot of each
Speaker 12: other too, and I consider coaches a very close friend.
Speaker 2: Chris Weber, the Hall of Famer member of the Fab five,
Speaker 2: more concerned about transfer portal or ni L in the
Speaker 2: future for the sport.
Speaker 12: Can you separate him and there be onee out the other?
Speaker 12: You know, I'm you know, I'm very happy that. You know,
Speaker 12: any time you're in the beginning of any new system,
Speaker 12: it's going to be terrible and you're gonna have to
Speaker 12: figure it out. So I can't wait until the playing
Speaker 12: field levels and we figure it out. But I think
Speaker 12: coaches are getting a taste of their medicine. You want
Speaker 12: to leave your guys and coach and leave well some
Speaker 12: guys are going to leave you mentally late in the
Speaker 12: season when you decide that. But also I hope that
Speaker 12: players start to understand that the same love and passion
Speaker 12: should be there, but even more than ever, you made
Speaker 12: a commitment now, and I've talked to a lot of
Speaker 12: young players and I don't know, I talked to a
Speaker 12: lot of young players, and we are working through understanding
Speaker 12: that you're getting paid for this commitment.
Speaker 11: Now, so you have no excuse.
Speaker 12: But you still need to come with the same energy
Speaker 12: and inno sense of passion that you would have played with.
Speaker 12: And how do you figure that out out? And I
Speaker 12: think some guys are figuring out. I also think some
Speaker 12: players are looking mid season saying, well, I could I'm
Speaker 12: averaging eight, I can go average ten here next year
Speaker 12: in a crazy, unsubstantiated situation, and then they go into
Speaker 12: the transfer portalando one picks them up.
Speaker 11: So you know, it's a it's a it's a difficult
Speaker 11: time right now.
Speaker 12: And I think everyone from coaches players are all kind
Speaker 12: of getting used to seeing like how is this gonna
Speaker 12: gonna level out? But that needs to be more discussion
Speaker 12: and hopefully more leveling of the playing field, so everyone
Speaker 12: can get comfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering about that that if you get money
Speaker 2: when you're in college, does that help you when you
Speaker 2: go to the pros and get money, because a lot
Speaker 2: of times you go into the pros and you go
Speaker 2: crazy because you haven't had this kind of money and
Speaker 2: you buy stupid things.
Speaker 3: Did you do that?
Speaker 12: Yeah? Every every every everybody, everybody, Yeah yeah, yeah, everybody's
Speaker 12: done that. And I thought it was sports until I
Speaker 12: talked to a lot of my friends in VC and others,
Speaker 12: and I found out it'saw people that do that. But
Speaker 12: I definitely, uh, you know, it was one of those guys.
Speaker 12: But you're going to do that, I think too with guys.
Speaker 12: Let's take a guy like the Big Fella from Kansas Fixer.
Speaker 12: He was he was at Michigan.
Speaker 3: Uh, And.
Speaker 12: I say this, it was he's a really good guy
Speaker 12: and he plays with passion. He's so hard he wanted
Speaker 12: to stay at Michigan and he's going, I'm not playing
Speaker 12: for now. I think he's a pro, So I'm not
Speaker 12: having that conversation.
Speaker 3: He's a pro.
Speaker 11: He's a posy pro. But that was the.
Speaker 12: Conversation, and the conversation asked to me, who was someone
Speaker 12: that never been in that position.
Speaker 11: What would you do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 11: Because my thing was you can stay here for legacy.
Speaker 12: You being in Michigan four years of having records and numbers,
Speaker 12: do you you know what that's light when you get
Speaker 12: older to be able to come back to Michigan and
Speaker 12: say that you're a part of it.
Speaker 11: This is a wonderful university. And I think that.
Speaker 12: I think that that factor has been taking out of
Speaker 12: the decision making because guys are saying, you know what,
Speaker 12: I might not make propose, I might not have the
Speaker 12: luxury of getting a paycheck and buying something stupid. I
Speaker 12: need to make as much as I can now prepare
Speaker 12: for a professional career overseas or in coaching. So I
Speaker 12: think guys are battling with a lot of different decisions
Speaker 12: that really are they're struggling with that they don't want
Speaker 12: to have. I was talking with Deon Sanders for a
Speaker 12: show I'm doing, and he was telling me that the
Speaker 12: parents were more of a problem with the portal and
Speaker 12: with NIL than the students, because the students haven't lived
Speaker 12: life enough to kind of be that greedy yet or
Speaker 12: order to just not put team first. And so again
Speaker 12: I think it's a lot of different situations. You know,
Speaker 12: guys are getting taxed off the nil and didn't know
Speaker 12: they were getting taxed, and parents for you. So it's
Speaker 12: it's just so much going on that that hopefully again
Speaker 12: the dust yoursells.
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing that you spent money on early?
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm.
Speaker 12: You know, I was smart to begin it because I
Speaker 12: wanted to get my parents everything so and I had
Speaker 12: a big family.
Speaker 11: But for me, I mean, you know, the day you know,
Speaker 11: I got.
Speaker 12: Drafted, it was I have a chapter in my book
Speaker 12: called Gators for Everybody. So gators are you know, are
Speaker 12: a shoe? Now I look at this so damn stupid,
Speaker 12: but gators are a shot. And back then it was
Speaker 12: big block gators and you know from guys in the hood,
Speaker 12: the preachers, anybody had gators.
Speaker 11: And so what did I do?
Speaker 12: I went and bought gators for everyone in my neighborhood.
Speaker 12: I mean, even if they didn't have a suit. Hey,
Speaker 12: Rochi had some gators and take this or you know,
Speaker 12: oh man, I took friends to restaurants you know that
Speaker 12: we had never been to. So I got a little
Speaker 12: across the street from me, Bookie rest of Peace. Uh,
Speaker 12: just stupid stuff. You go to restaurants, you pork and
Speaker 12: coche and hot sauce, and you say that guy here,
Speaker 12: I'll give you five thousand dollars if you eat it,
Speaker 12: and you're happy because you were gonna give them something anyway.
Speaker 11: But you know your friends, you have to bust them up.
Speaker 12: And so you know, I've done a lot more worse things,
Speaker 12: I'm sure in other areas of life. But I remember
Speaker 12: when I first got it, was that. Oh, one of
Speaker 12: one of the most fun things I did the probably
Speaker 12: was stupid.
Speaker 11: I went to a music place.
Speaker 12: I had a truck of white suburban when they first
Speaker 12: came out, and I asked him to give me the
Speaker 12: loudest sounds in the world, and the guy laughed, and
Speaker 12: I immediately walked out and went down the street and
Speaker 12: asked the guy for the loudest sounds in the world.
Speaker 12: He was like, I could do that, and so I
Speaker 12: took out every seat besides the front two seats I
Speaker 12: had sixteen twelve, fourteen age.
Speaker 11: I'm crazy, and I used to just love driving down.
Speaker 12: The street making alarms go off or breaking my window
Speaker 12: in the back, and so I think that's pretty stupid
Speaker 12: to you know, cut you know, fifty thousand dollars forty
Speaker 12: thousand dollars worth of sounds in your truck and only one.
Speaker 11: Person could fit in and you can't even put your
Speaker 11: lugga jambler.
Speaker 12: It was a good time.
Speaker 11: So it was a good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's your dad who worked factory for all
Speaker 2: of those years.
Speaker 3: Do you ever say, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 12: You know, yeah, yeah, but the storytime LIKEE keep going?
Speaker 12: I know, sure, I don't want to keep going with the.
Speaker 3: Why do you bought him a Cadillac? Right?
Speaker 11: But that was the best thing.
Speaker 12: I told him Magic was coming to the house, and
Speaker 12: I went to the and he loves magic. I went
Speaker 12: to the car dealership and Cadillac, and people started cheering
Speaker 12: when I went in because they knew my father had worked.
Speaker 11: For GM for you know, many many years, and I
Speaker 11: bought him a Cadillac.
Speaker 12: I had to cut the grass meticulously now and you
Speaker 12: never got to play football on my grass or anything.
Speaker 12: I drive the car on the grass, did it? My
Speaker 12: father comes out at six and us it's about seven
Speaker 12: in the morning. And that was one of the more
Speaker 12: special moments of my life. Getting yelled at while throwing
Speaker 12: the keys to my father while he was driving off
Speaker 12: telling me to make sure I take care of the grass.
Speaker 12: Is was a pretty cool moment.
Speaker 2: Oh, always great. Thank you for storytelling toime.
Speaker 3: Chris. We appreciate your time as always.
Speaker 11: Thanks, Dan, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: He is Chris Webber. He is a Hall of Famer
Speaker 2: and number one overall pick by the Magic back in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. A lot of fun. I always appreciate
Speaker 2: conversations with him. Mark, we'll take a break. More of
Speaker 2: your phone calls coming up back after this.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: Paul Schemes he is one of three MLB The show
Speaker 2: twenty five cover athletes. This is the twentieth anniversary honoring
Speaker 2: two decades of baseball history. Elie Delacruz and Gunner Henderson
Speaker 2: are on the cover as well the Pirates Rookie of
Speaker 2: the Year joining us on the program. What did you
Speaker 2: learn from your rookie year or what do you wish
Speaker 2: that you had known in your rookie year or when
Speaker 2: you were in the college minor leagues coming up to
Speaker 2: the Pirates.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing I learned from getting
Speaker 13: to the big leagues is that the game is a
Speaker 13: lot more similar than I thought in terms of the
Speaker 13: actual the baseball, you know play everything uh that's added
Speaker 13: on makes it a lot harder. So traveling across country.
Speaker 13: We had a couple of cross country flights last year.
Speaker 13: Our travel within the division is pretty good, you know,
Speaker 13: our hour long or less than an hour long flights, uh,
Speaker 13: for the most part within our division. But still, I mean,
Speaker 13: you got the media in the in the locker room
Speaker 13: every day.
Speaker 5: The food is different.
Speaker 13: It's it's better, but there's more of it, so it's
Speaker 13: easy to you know, overindulge just a lot, a lot
Speaker 13: of little stuff like that that makes it, uh, just
Speaker 13: makes it makes it different and probably makes it a
Speaker 13: little bit harder.
Speaker 2: What's the strangest thing you've thought of while you were
Speaker 2: on the mound?
Speaker 13: Man, probably like doing math problems or something like that.
Speaker 13: I don't know if you've ever seen uh, I think
Speaker 13: it was Major league or Major League two. The catcher
Speaker 13: is is, you know, learning to get over the yips,
Speaker 13: and he like memorizes a playboard magazine or something like that,
Speaker 13: And I do that with math problems rather than you know,
Speaker 13: playboard magazines.
Speaker 3: But how does that help you?
Speaker 13: I mean, because it's it's very so it's very easy
Speaker 13: to like focus too hard and try to execute a pitch,
Speaker 13: you know, and then you just completely sail it or
Speaker 13: like pull a slider or sail a heat or something
Speaker 13: like that. So like having your mind not you know,
Speaker 13: solely focused on on that pitch, it like a little
Speaker 13: bit of distraction is sometimes a good thing.
Speaker 2: Give me the guy that you keep an eye on
Speaker 2: in the on deck circle that you know he's coming
Speaker 2: to the plate.
Speaker 13: It's probably one per team. Usually it's like the three
Speaker 13: hitter or something like that. Maybe it's to a team,
Speaker 13: it's because we kind of like bucket hitters a little
Speaker 13: bit to where we can pitch them similarly to get
Speaker 13: them out. But there's always like one guy in the
Speaker 13: lineup that's like, hey, this guy doesn't beat us. So
Speaker 13: I mean it's the one Soto's the day, Ellie Daala Cruz,
Speaker 13: Cody Balondrew, those types of guys.
Speaker 5: They I mean, you know they're coming up.
Speaker 3: What do you do when you disagree with your catcher?
Speaker 5: Just shake?
Speaker 13: I wear a pitch com too, and and I'll I'll
Speaker 13: punch it in sometimes, but yeah, just shake.
Speaker 5: They're no, there are no hard feelings.
Speaker 3: There, but you have final say yeah.
Speaker 13: I mean if if I my my experience is generally,
Speaker 13: if I throw a pitch that I don't wholly believe in, uh,
Speaker 13: it doesn't end well. So I have to, you know,
Speaker 13: throw pitches that I believe in out there with you know,
Speaker 13: full conviction, and then it generally ends ends pretty well.
Speaker 2: But when you give up a big hit or a
Speaker 2: home run in college, it's one thing. But when you
Speaker 2: have thousands and thousands of people and you know it's
Speaker 2: going to end up on Sports Center, Like, how do
Speaker 2: you process that differently? If you can then when you
Speaker 2: were in college and you gave up a home run?
Speaker 13: Yeah, honestly. And I think this is probably more of
Speaker 13: a change for me. But I think I took it, like,
Speaker 13: took it harder, took it, took it more personally when
Speaker 13: I was in college than I do now. And I
Speaker 13: think there are probably a couple of reasons for that.
Speaker 13: I've I think I've matured grown up a little bit.
Speaker 13: But also, uh, we get to do it more often
Speaker 13: now in college. It's like, you know, the sec is
Speaker 13: the biggest thing in the world and nothing else matters,
Speaker 13: Like that's that's the that's what.
Speaker 5: They feed you, right.
Speaker 13: So when I give up a home run at Ole
Speaker 13: Miss and the beer's flying everywhere, like, it feels like
Speaker 13: the end of the world a little bit more than
Speaker 13: it does now. When I give up a home run
Speaker 13: in you know, Dodger Stadium or something like that, it's
Speaker 13: just and I think I think part of that's because
Speaker 13: it's it's so routine, you know, But I think a
Speaker 13: lot of it's because I have just like grown up too.
Speaker 2: Talking to Paul's schemes and he's one of three MLB
Speaker 2: the show twenty five cover athletes. You've got Gunner Henderson
Speaker 2: and Ellie Dela Cruz. Tell us about the honor. How
Speaker 2: did you find out?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I can't remember exactly when I found out. There's
Speaker 13: something that I think, you know, we were in the
Speaker 13: talks for for I don't know, probably the last summer,
Speaker 13: last September around there kind of blends together when we're
Speaker 13: in season. But it was cool when I, you know,
Speaker 13: found out that it's you know, no kidding happening. I mean,
Speaker 13: definitely some satisfaction there is. It's it's pretty cool. I've
Speaker 13: you know, grown up seeing you know, the cover athletes
Speaker 13: of the show and seeing the game. It's been a
Speaker 13: huge part of a lot of people's childhood. I think,
Speaker 13: as like the game that they want to play when
Speaker 13: they when they get to play video games.
Speaker 2: So what else are you a gamer of?
Speaker 12: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not really a gamer at all. Really, Okay, so yeah.
Speaker 13: So the only time I would play the show because
Speaker 13: I never had a PlayStation or Xbox or anything. Uh,
Speaker 13: And the only time i would play the show is
Speaker 13: when I like went to you know, my my buddy's
Speaker 13: house or something like that and they had it. But
Speaker 13: I've always been terrible at it. And if I'm the
Speaker 13: kind of person like, if I'm not good at something,
Speaker 13: I just want I'll just stop doing it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 13: the I'm gonna take my ball and go home type
Speaker 13: of guy.
Speaker 2: How territorial are you when it comes to the SEC,
Speaker 2: whether it's football fourteen schools are in the NCAA tournament
Speaker 2: the baseball with the SEC? Are you annoying to be
Speaker 2: around when it's conversations about the SEC?
Speaker 13: Now, because I'm a I'm a baseball guy first, football,
Speaker 13: I could kind of care less about I mean, I'm
Speaker 13: a true beaver that because I'm an SEC guy. But
Speaker 13: I'm a Mountain West guy too, and I'm a true
Speaker 13: believer that the Mountain West just breeds winners. So probably
Speaker 13: more territory about the Mountain West because it's not a
Speaker 13: you know, people don't people don't know about the Mountain West.
Speaker 13: But that's where that's where champions are made. I believe that.
Speaker 2: Okay, But you're in Pittsburgh. They love their football there.
Speaker 2: Do you go to games you care about? Do you
Speaker 2: go to games?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 13: But I mean because I look at college baseball and
Speaker 13: call and uh and pro baseball is two different sports.
Speaker 13: I I I never played football. I don't understand what's
Speaker 13: going on out there. I know that you're supposed to
Speaker 13: move the ball down the field, but I viewed college
Speaker 13: football and pro football is two different sports too. So
Speaker 13: I've gone to a Steelers game. It was it was
Speaker 13: really cool. I want to go back. I'm a Steelers fan,
Speaker 13: you know now bleed black and gold.
Speaker 5: So uh, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: They're fun that the games are to go to.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be okay with the automatic strike zone?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Hey, it's not in there. This year, So I'm happy
Speaker 13: with that. I haven't I haven't challenged anything this spring.
Speaker 13: It's not going to be in there this year when
Speaker 13: it comes it comes. I like the human aspect of
Speaker 13: the game because I think that, you know, there are
Speaker 13: games where the umpire zone is big and there are
Speaker 13: games where the umpire zone is small. Obviously catchers. You
Speaker 13: bring in the automatic strike zone, then it completely devalues framing,
Speaker 13: which you know, effectively eliminates the catching position. So I
Speaker 13: have mixed feelings towards it. I do like the human
Speaker 13: aspect of the game, but there's definitely something to be
Speaker 13: said about, you know, being objective with the strike zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you're at the plate and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden there's a you know, a star pitcher and
Speaker 2: he gets a call, you're okay with that and it's
Speaker 2: not a strike, but because of who he is, Justin
Speaker 2: Verlander is going to get that call.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean I prefer it that way. I don't
Speaker 5: have to hit anymore.
Speaker 3: Do you want to hit?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 13: No, maybe BP occasionally, but I don't want to face
Speaker 13: Justin Berlander. I don't want to face anything. These other guys,
Speaker 13: they're too they're too uh they're.
Speaker 2: Too good if you were building the perfect picture. So
Speaker 2: you gave me fastball, slider, curveball, change up. Who's using
Speaker 2: your fastball?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'd like to thank all four of those are
Speaker 13: you know mine, but uh, let's just.
Speaker 3: Not the taste. I'm glad you that way.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean because you can't use my fastball with
Speaker 13: like because I would say, like my fastball and Clayton
Speaker 13: Kershaw's curveball or something like that, but like we're the
Speaker 13: exact opposite pitchers. Basically, I'd like to thank my fastball
Speaker 13: Kershaw's curveball for sure, just to straight up and down curveball,
Speaker 13: change up, Scooble, those are two lefties. Slider man, there's
Speaker 13: so many good ones. I think a nice like for
Speaker 13: for me, like a downer, a downer slider, like a
Speaker 13: to Grom, like a shorter downer slider, because that's something
Speaker 13: I don't have.
Speaker 5: But there's I mean, strider's slider.
Speaker 13: There's so many, so many ways, so many different ways
Speaker 13: to have a good slider, though so specifically a slider.
Speaker 3: But it's amazing that these guys can hit this stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, hitting a.
Speaker 2: Baseball is the hardest thing to do, and they are
Speaker 2: guys that are hitting one hundred miles an hour and
Speaker 2: it's like, so what.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't know how they do it. I'll let
Speaker 13: them do it. That's why I'm not going to try
Speaker 13: to try to get back in the box.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Opening Day, Congratulations on MLB the show. That's the
Speaker 2: cover with Elie Dela Cruz, Gunner Henderson, and this is
Speaker 2: honoring the twentieth anniversary of that. Great to talk to
Speaker 2: you again, Paul. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Paul Schemes