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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth. I'm Lazar, Hello, everybody, nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined us always by hours, David match scheduled here. He's

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazar and Alex barr band is back together page.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome into a new Patriots Catch twenty

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Speaker 1: two podcasts right here on Patriots dot com. Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: Alex Barth has always coming to you on a Wednesday

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Speaker 1: regular time. Today, Alex and have to do it early

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Speaker 1: regular time. We got some extra time too, because locker

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Speaker 1: rooms not until four pm, so we'll have some time

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Speaker 1: to talk to you guys over the next hour or so,

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Speaker 1: let's call it an hour plus. But not not what

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Speaker 1: I was expecting to be talking about today, Alex. I

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Speaker 1: thought we were going to come into the show today

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Speaker 1: on a three game winning streak, with the conversation being

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Speaker 1: were driven by Okay, how real is this right? Did

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Speaker 1: they just beat up on bad teams like they did

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Speaker 1: at times last year during that seven game winning streak?

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Speaker 1: And how much can stock can we put into it?

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Speaker 1: In all this type of thing, I could never imagine

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Speaker 1: that we would be sitting in a position not necessarily

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Speaker 1: look at any given Sunday or any given Monday in

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Speaker 1: this case, that things can happen and you can lose

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Speaker 1: games to any team in the NFL. But this really

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Speaker 1: feels like a franchise altering sort of moment, right because

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Speaker 1: you drafted this quarterback in the first round of the

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Speaker 1: draft last year. And I don't think that the decision

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Speaker 1: to not go with Mac moving forward at least for

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Speaker 1: this season, if that is the decision, is ankle related, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is an injury related decision. I

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Speaker 1: think this would be more performance related decision. And that

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Speaker 1: means that you're kind of pressing the reset button at

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Speaker 1: that position, which obviously means we're in a totally different

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Speaker 1: charted water then if they had just played poorly against

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Speaker 1: Chicago and lost the game, right, this is a much

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Speaker 1: bigger conversation than that. I do want to get into

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Speaker 1: how each quarterback and specifically Mac actually played in the game.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily all the drama, but I think you have

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Speaker 1: to address the elephant of the room off the top,

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Speaker 1: and that this is a dramatic moment for this organization

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Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, yeah, you know, everybody's kind of I've

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Speaker 1: seen people trying to nail down what did this game

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Speaker 1: feel like, what it looked like. The game that came

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Speaker 1: to mind for me was the twenty twenty game against

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Speaker 1: the Niners. Yeah, and the Patriots had had some success

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Speaker 1: early in the year. They lost that tough one and

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Speaker 1: you know, they lost late in Seattle. They lost the

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Speaker 1: tough one against Kansas City when cam at COVID. They

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Speaker 1: came back the next week they played a close one

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Speaker 1: against the Broncos after a COVID riddle week, and it

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Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, there might be something here.

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Speaker 1: They've had some stuff to overcome, but they've put some

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Speaker 1: competitive football on tape when they're healthy. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Niners weren't great that year. They were three and three

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Speaker 1: coming into that game. They end up finishing six and

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Speaker 1: ten and it was twenty six six. The score didn't,

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Speaker 1: i would say, accurately reflect how lopsided that game was.

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Speaker 1: And that was the first time in that season it

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, they might need to hit the reset

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Speaker 1: time for reset, but that game really had you. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're looking at that game and thinking, okay,

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Speaker 1: like you know they, like you said, it's not like

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Speaker 1: they played poorly, and it happens any given Sunday. You

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Speaker 1: move on. That game kind of makes you reflect on

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture outlook of the team. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's where we're at, unfortunately. And you can give us

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Speaker 1: a call. Two calls already Alex on the call screen

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Speaker 1: right now, so already calling in. We're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: you guys here in the second after we break down

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Speaker 1: these two quarterbacks. But five pats, five hundreds the number

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Speaker 1: web radio at Patriots dot com if you want to

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Speaker 1: email us, already have an email too. So we got

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of feedback from fans here that

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Speaker 1: I wanted. I think we need to hear from the

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Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get into the quarters. I think

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Speaker 1: it's that kind of show. It definitely is. So I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about how mac Jones actually played in

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Speaker 1: And I can't. I think the first play of the

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Speaker 1: making changes at the line of scrimmage, right He's already

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Speaker 1: coming in. He's changing to the play, changing the play

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Speaker 1: communication happening on the broadcast. Very first play of the game,

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Speaker 1: They're already three wide receiver gun, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: for Bailey's abby right, it is all easy, digestible reads

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Speaker 1: as he gets back into the game, that's not easing

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Speaker 1: your quarterback back in, right, that's throwing him right back

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Speaker 1: into the fire. But then when Bailey comes in the game,

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Speaker 1: they're managing it for some play action in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess for them. But Jacobe Meyers runs a crossing route.

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Speaker 1: one vertical. Right, you can either cut off the crossing

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Speaker 1: Like those types of down and distances are good for

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest takeaway that I'm getting at here

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Speaker 1: we used to make fun of other teams, Like we

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Speaker 1: Now he's in a vertical passing offense when he was

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Speaker 1: They're not running play action, they're not dressing it up

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Speaker 1: what's your read on I guess the two different styles, right,

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Speaker 1: mean we talked about this last week. When Mac comes back,

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Speaker 1: asking him to go out there basically and beat Patrick Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: But it almost feels like he has all this what

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Speaker 1: our d line, our old line, it is not there,

430
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Speaker 1: and it goes are your core things. If you can't

431
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Speaker 1: have line play the rest of your it doesn't matter

432
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 1: who you got in your defensive backfield or your offensive

433
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 1: backfield is point line. Neither of these quarterbacks are going

434
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Speaker 1: to succeed until they fixed the on line and our

435
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 1: dbs and we're gonna get in our run defense, it's

436
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 1: all going to be toasted. I'm totally fixed the lines,

437
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's a speed issue or

438
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: if it's an old age issue or one on both sides.

439
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to hear what you guys have to say.

440
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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, great show, Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Ton, I

441
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Yeah, the line of scrimmage talk is important,

442
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: and this is sort of where I think we were

443
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: headed with this next thing on the defense. But we

444
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: can start with the offense because I had the offensive

445
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: line issues written down as well on the rundown here.

446
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Speaker 1: First of all, I would say that the blocking, especially

447
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: the run blocking the pass blocking was good in the

448
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 1: two games that they won. But the run blocking has

449
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,239
Speaker 1: been on my radar for a couple of weeks now

450
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 1: because the Detroit game I felt like was and you

451
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: know me, I'm anti running back, right I running backs

452
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: don't matter, Like I subscribe to that theory. That was

453
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: one of the first games in a while that I

454
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Speaker 1: can say a Patriot running back actually like put the

455
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: running game on his back and mattered, right. Romandre Stevenson

456
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: against Detroit mattered one hundred and eleven yards after content

457
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: at nine forced miss tackles Like that wasn't necessarily that

458
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,719
Speaker 1: they were blowing Detroit off the ball, and they were,

459
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, no one was touching Remandre for twenty yards, right,

460
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: Like that was Remandre making things happen with the football

461
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: in his hands. That was an excellent game by running back.

462
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: So I actually thought that blocking in Detroit was so so,

463
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: or against Detroit here at Gillette was so so. But

464
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: Remandre just put the team on his back and went

465
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: full beast mode and was able to rush for one sixty. Anyway,

466
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: they didn't run the ball well against Cleveland. They didn't

467
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: run the ball well last week against the Bears. We

468
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: are trending in a direction now with this offensive line

469
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Speaker 1: where I think there are multiple spots of issue, and

470
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Speaker 1: then there's also a five man unit or a six

471
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Speaker 1: if you want to count the tight end, seven if

472
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Speaker 1: you want to count the tight end, and the sixth

473
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman when they do that whatever with the whole

474
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Speaker 1: blocking scheme in general, and I think the biggest thing

475
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Speaker 1: that you see that has the personnel concern is obviously

476
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Speaker 1: what's going on a tackle right. I mean, Trent Brown

477
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Speaker 1: has completely regressed six penalties, four penalty is on Monday Night,

478
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: six quarterback pressures allowed in the last two weeks, like

479
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: has kind of fallen off the rails here at right tackle,

480
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon, I think is less mistake prone right, Like

481
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Speaker 1: he's not getting the bad penalties, the bad pre snap

482
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: penalties that Isaiahwin was getting and the sacks or the

483
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: pressures that he's giving up aren't completely leading to huge sacks,

484
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Speaker 1: or you know, horrible plays for the quarterback right injuries

485
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: and things like that. But he's a limited pass protector

486
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Speaker 1: and he gave up three hurries in the game on

487
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Speaker 1: Monday night. One of them was on Max pick where

488
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: he didn't pick up the stunt and the guy came

489
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Speaker 1: in front of him and sneaked inside. Those are the

490
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: types of things that you see with Kennon when he

491
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: has to redirect and move his feet to recover to

492
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Speaker 1: a spot he has issues with doing that is with

493
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Speaker 1: foot speed and with a change of direction at this

494
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Speaker 1: stage of his career. So I think bold tackle spots

495
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: are issues. I think Cole Strange is fine, but I

496
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: think that he's somebody that you're supposed to be carrying

497
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: with the other four guys on the line. He's not

498
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: supposed to be Day one. You your superstar, your top lineman.

499
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: So they've got to get the tackles figured out and

500
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: they got to get those guys playing better football. And

501
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: now you have David Andrews in concussion protocol, which adds

502
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: insult to injury here as well. Yeah, it's more of

503
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: the tackles. To me, I think the interior. We'll see

504
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: what happens without Andrews with that. Looks like the interior

505
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: has been fine. That's It's if the interior was their

506
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Speaker 1: biggest issue offensively, they'd be in pretty good chape right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess is my point. They got to figure out

508
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Speaker 1: what's going on at tackle. And Isaiah Wynn was it

509
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Speaker 1: practice today? We'll see, you know, so was he benched,

510
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: was he hurt? He was inactive? Yadi kad Juice came

511
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: back as well. I don't know, you know, if we

512
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Speaker 1: want it's Yady could Juice coming back to save the day,

513
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: if that's kind of where we're at. But at least

514
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Speaker 1: he's look, he's not gonna save the day. But I

515
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Speaker 1: think with Marcus Cannon, Marcus Kenne can still get on

516
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Speaker 1: a double team and move people. Yeah, at the NFL level, right,

517
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: him and Mike on Wining want a double team is

518
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: a people moving block, right that is still effective. But

519
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: Yadney could use The one thing that you can say

520
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: about him is that he is athletic and he's got

521
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: good foot speed. So maybe there is a world where

522
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Speaker 1: Yadne is active and they go six o line a

523
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Speaker 1: little bit more like they were doing with Win and Cannon,

524
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Speaker 1: And maybe Yadney is the right tackle and Cannon's technically

525
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Speaker 1: the tackle eligible right as the sixth guy on the line,

526
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Speaker 1: or whatever way you want to line it up, but

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Speaker 1: you maybe put Yadne in more positions to move his

528
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Speaker 1: feet versus Marcus Cannon just blowing people over, right. I

529
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Speaker 1: think I think that could be some help there. It's

530
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Speaker 1: kind of what I think they are going for with

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Win, right, Like he's got a little bit more athleticism,

532
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Speaker 1: a little bit more foot speed, and Marcus Cannon's kind

533
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Speaker 1: of the bulldozer and those two work well next to

534
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Speaker 1: one another. Well, that's another thing they missed, you know,

535
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Speaker 1: when you talk about the Mac offense versus Appue offense,

536
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: that's six offensive line set. Granted they couldn't do it

537
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Speaker 1: the only at two tackles dressed, but yeah, getting getting

538
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: carojuiced back be big. They need to figure out something

539
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: because when you start moving around too many pieces on

540
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Yeah, continuity is such a big part

541
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Speaker 1: of it. Right, when you start moving too many pieces around, right,

542
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: and now you know, right tackle, we're not sure center

543
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: there's going to be a backup. It's it's just you're

544
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 1: putting a lot on everybody's plate, not just the offensive line,

545
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: but everybody, the quarterbacks. He's got to communicate calls, all

546
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it's a really big undertaking for James

547
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: Ferns and potentially chasing Hines if it's not James Ferns,

548
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: that those two guys are gonna have to really step

549
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: up with the calls because you're not gonna have you know,

550
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: the other guards like Mike on when you I'm you know,

551
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: his year three right in the system for him, So

552
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: maybe he could help out, but Colstrange is certainly not

553
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: going to help out. And he's got Quinnon Williams lining

554
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: up over him this week, so he's got enough on

555
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: his plate to not throw making line calls into the

556
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: equation as well. So certainly that that line has crept

557
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: up on them like it was a strength for a

558
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: little bit there. It was a weakness early on in

559
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: the season and they seem to figure it out there

560
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: for a little bit. But you mentioned the max protect

561
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: stuff or the extra protection, I guess is a better

562
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: way of putting it. I think that's another really good

563
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: point of this. Zappy Mac conversation as well. When they

564
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: bring Zappy in the game, take out forget about the

565
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: play action for a second, right, because that's obviously help

566
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: any as well. But not to harp on that point anymore.

567
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: When they bring Zappy in the game, they are only

568
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: using a five man protection fifty percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: With Bailey Zappy, a lot of the time they're using

570
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: extra guys, right, They're using six seven blockers in to

571
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: help him and keep him clean. When Mac is in

572
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 1: the game, they're five man protection eighty percent of the time,

573
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: a thirty percent difference. So not only are they catering

574
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Speaker 1: some of the route concepts and some of the dressing

575
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: it up differently for Bailey Zappy, but they're also protecting

576
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Speaker 1: him differently. And by the way, some people will I

577
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: think hear that and say, well, why does Mac need

578
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: to be protected and protected more? He's supposed to be better,

579
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: he's the first round pick. That's not what it is.

580
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: What it is you have essentially a rebuilt offensive line,

581
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: four new starters from last year. And look, we're seven

582
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: weeks into this thing now, but things are still moving around.

583
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: Like I just said, you're gonna have a new center

584
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: next week, maybe a new tackle, a new tackle last week.

585
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: Adding you know, adding to the protection is not necessarily

586
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: about the quarterback. It might be about the line, right

587
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: the offensive line we knew from camp was going to

588
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: be a question. They didn't bought, They didn't do anything

589
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: to kind of help with that issue when Mac was in.

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00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Then suddenly when Zappy was and they did. It's it's weird. Yeah,

591
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: it's weird that they made that switch when they did.

592
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: I get, yeah, rookie cornerback, you want to protect him more,

593
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: of course, of course, but it's not like Mac didn't

594
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: need the elevated protection. It's not like he was getting

595
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: clean pockets all the time. Was five blockers. He's being

596
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: rushed constantly. So that was a weird one for me. Yeah,

597
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean you go out there and some of the

598
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: players I broke down already with Mac like it's five

599
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: man protection. He's got pressure, you know on the pick

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00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: that he threw pressure. And then you look at Bailey

601
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: Zappi and when they dial up things to go down

602
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: the field, it's six seven guys in the protection. You

603
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: got six guys in to protect you keep the tight

604
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: end in the back. Also is sort of although the

605
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of its play actions. So the

606
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: back is involved in the fake. Once he's done with

607
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: the fake, he's not running a route, right, he's staying

608
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: in and kind of playing like a personal protector type

609
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: of role in case anybody leaks through. So you have

610
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: all this protection loaded up. Mac It's like, Okay, we're

611
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: gonna go three wide and we're just gonna throw the

612
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: ball down the field and make him read the full

613
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: field in YadA, YadA, YadA. Then Bailey gets in the

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00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: game and Dave probably drew up the best play they've

615
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: had all season on the Meyers to touch Myer's touchdown.

616
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: And there, you know, it's three guys in the route,

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: it's seven guys in to protect, and it's a game

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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: plan shot not on top of that, right, it's like

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00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: a scheme wrinkle on top of that. So it just

620
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: seems like it's so different. You know, DeVante Parkers throw

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00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: down the field again as seven guys in the protection,

622
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: hard play actions, Evan in to protect, three year in

623
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: the route, like it's it's simplified and it's protected. And

624
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: then with Macko's like, oh, we're just gonna spread out

625
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: the field and we're gonna make you throw the ball deep.

626
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: And again it's not necessarily about Oh, we're gonna make

627
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: more of an effort to protect Bailey's appiots with the

628
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: offensive line can't block him with five, right, so why

629
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Speaker 1: are you still trying to block with five with one

630
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: guy and not with the other. All right, Patty and Aguham,

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Speaker 1: thanks for hanging on with us. How you doing, Patty?

632
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: Pretty good? How you guys doing, We're doing well. Thanks

633
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: what you got? So? I got a MAC question. Um,

634
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Speaker 1: I just want to know with my eyes, are are

635
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: telling me the truth when I when I've been watching

636
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Speaker 1: him playing, when he's been out there, to me, it

637
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: looks like, um, and you guys, I mean, you guys

638
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: are much more nuanced than and breaking down games film.

639
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Speaker 1: So it seems like he's sort of predetermining where he's

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00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: gonna go with the falling. He's not really going through

641
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Speaker 1: his reads and am I like Mike close there? Does

642
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: it look like he's sort of just locking on the

643
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: one guy pre snap and that's no matter what, that's

644
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: where he's going. Yeah, Honestly, I didn't think he was

645
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: doing it as much in the first three games of

646
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: the season as this is something Patty that I think

647
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: people are starting to catch on, right, what's going on

648
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: in this game against the Bears. I thought he did

649
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: it a lot more. Yeah, where a lot of things

650
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: were predetermined. Now I mentioned the thrower earlier. I think

651
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: the faith that he threw to Taekwon that they almost

652
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: hit on. That's a blitz, right, So in that situation,

653
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: Taekwon's the hot receiver, right, So if you get the

654
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: blitz and you get the single high like, that's your

655
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: hot so you're just one step dropping the balls out

656
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: to the vertical. So that's a kind of like a

657
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: predetermined thing already on its own. But we mentioned the

658
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: one with Myers, like, that's the same play that they

659
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: called for Zappy against Detroit and they hit it for

660
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Remember, now the down and distance was different, right,

661
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: because there are you know where the situation the game,

662
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: Zappy was on, like the twenty three yard line, right

663
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: outside the red zone. So that's not a very far

664
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: our throw, right. That's now like a twenty yard pass

665
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: in the air instead of like a thirty five yard

666
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: pass in the air. So that's a big difference. But

667
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Zappy was able to come off the seam and hit

668
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: the vertical on the outside when he saw the safety

669
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: cheating into the seam, right. So these are sort of

670
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: those second or third progression reads that Zappi is getting to,

671
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit more than Mac. But I do

672
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: think some of it again points to what we were

673
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: just talking about with the offensive line and the protection,

674
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: don't I think on that play that with Mac, although

675
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: it's the same play, I don't know if he necessarily

676
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: had the same protection at the same time in the

677
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: pocket to get off the first read and get to

678
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: the second. But I have noticed him hang on to

679
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: the first read a little bit longer than what we

680
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: saw at times last year, which is another part of

681
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 1: this whole equation. Yeah, I think it just goes back

682
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: to being sped up, right, which is quarterbacks have that

683
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: internal clock, right, they know based on their offensive line,

684
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: the defensive line, the play call, what they think the

685
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: defense is running. All Right, I got three seconds to

686
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: get this ball out. I got two and a half seconds,

687
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I got you know, two point three seconds. Whatever it is.

688
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: You have an idea in your head as a quarterback

689
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: of how much time you have to get rid of

690
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: the ball, and that clutch that's called the internal clock,

691
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: that clock can get sped up with pressure. If you

692
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: think you have two point five right on a play

693
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: and you run that play and you're not getting the

694
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: two point five on a regular basis, or whatever number

695
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you think you have in your head. If you're consistently

696
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: not getting that much time, you're going to speed up

697
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: your process. And what can happen is it just throws

698
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: everything off because it's all based off that internal clock.

699
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: Everything the quarterback's doing. Mac started looking sped up this

700
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: past summer in training camp, and I think that's where

701
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: this happens, where he's taking more time or less time

702
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: with different things, just because I don't think he's totally

703
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: sure how much time he has in the pocket. And

704
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: the other element of it is he has been blitzed

705
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: quite a bit this year, and you don't go through

706
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: progressions when you're blitzed, Like you said, you throw the

707
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: hot receivers. So I think some of the talk of

708
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: him not going through his reads is probably more circle,

709
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm stantial than anything else. Yeah, Yeah, thanks for the call, Patty.

710
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: You really appreciated one of our regulars right there, Patty

711
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: from Agawam so appreciate the call. J in Providence. Your

712
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: next up, Jay, what's going on. Hey guys, big fan,

713
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I've always focused on your podcasts and stuff. It's great

714
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: to have you back together. Thank you, thank you. The

715
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: first thing I want to say is it seems unusual

716
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: to me the way that they're handling Mac. If you

717
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: want to force a player into a vertical offense like

718
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: the one you describe, trying to get him to hit

719
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: cover two holes and things that require a strong arm

720
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: or at least a lot of confidence, while also sending

721
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: him the message that if he seemingly sending him the

722
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: message that if he turns the ball over once, they'll

723
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: be pulled for the backup who's running the baby offense

724
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: made him look like take him to the Pro Bowl

725
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: and the playoffs and so forth. I I don't quite

726
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: understand why you would be asking a player to do that.

727
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: It seems like he's going to be pausing on those

728
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: reads or you know, seeing Jacoby Myers running up on

729
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: the sideline and not wanting to pull the trigger. Um.

730
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: I also think that it seems to me that a

731
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: lot of the Patriots fan base has been criticized for

732
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: latching onto the Brady bled Zoe mythology and applying the

733
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: kind of like the logic of the dynasty for the

734
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: last twenty years, for the last two or three years,

735
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: it's weird to me that Belichick is looking at Bailey

736
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: Zappy coming to the game and running the baby offense

737
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: and hitting wide open receivers, and maybe he's buying into

738
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: his own mythology that Zappy could be the Brady to

739
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: Mac bled Zoe. I hope that he saw the Bears

740
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: game yesterday and concluded that maybe he had deluded himself.

741
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: After all, Mac is speaking today at four pm at

742
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: the Wednesday presser, which usually is reserved for the starting quarterback.

743
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: So I'd like to know whether you think that that

744
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe means that Bill is going to do what a

745
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: lot of fans want him to do, which is stick

746
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: with Mac and live or die with him. Thanks so much, Yeah,

747
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: no problem, Jay, Thanks for calling. It's an interesting question

748
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: about you know, this is sort of gets into the

749
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: where they go from here, right, And I think that's

750
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: that's a good logical next step here. And I look,

751
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: we've been harpy, Harley's I've been harping, and I think

752
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: we share the same we agree on this is that

753
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: it's a balance, right, Like there's gotta be a middle

754
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: ground where you can open up the offense a little

755
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: bit more for mac Jones to make bigger plays down

756
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: the field. But you're doing so while still keeping in

757
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: mind that this is just a second year quarterback with

758
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: twenty two starts under his belt or whatever the case is.

759
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty two. So at some point there

760
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: has to be a balance, right, And some of the

761
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: training wheels stuff or the you know, I think what

762
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: Jay called it, the baby offense or whatever, like, some

763
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: of that stuff still has to be present in every playbook. Like,

764
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: it's not like Aaron Rodgers is going out there and

765
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: running all these full field progressions every single time he

766
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: dropped back. You know, they have a lot of RPO,

767
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: and they have a lot of motion plays, and they

768
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of early down just easy throws for

769
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: him to get to football out quickly and stuff like that.

770
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: And it goes back to as well and not I'm

771
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: not comparing Brady to these two guys in terms of

772
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: their play. Remember Brady's first like eight to ten games

773
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: in Tampa and he's running Bruce Arians's offense and he's changed, well,

774
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: he's changing who he is, right, he's right to fit

775
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: their offense instead of bringing his playbook, he's trying to

776
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: run the Bruce Arians offense. And the two things that

777
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: you heard about that situation were one, he's getting killed,

778
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: right because you're you're holding the football for all this

779
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: vertical stuff to happen down the field, So you're getting killed.

780
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: And that's another element of the protection too that I

781
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: think is important to mention is that these downfield you

782
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: gotta hold the ball, right, You gotta wait for a

783
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: develop so you gotta hold the football. So he's getting

784
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: killed doing it. Yeah. And then around what like week

785
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: eight nine, all of a sudden, you start hearing these

786
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: rumblings on broadcasts and from Tampa reporters that they're running

787
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: more Brady stuff. Right there, I think somebody said metaphorically,

788
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: he kicked Bruce Arians out of the world. Yeah, they're

789
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: running more vintage Belichick Brady Patriots stuff, starco more off

790
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: play action right kind of thing, more short intermediate stuff.

791
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Like one wasn't involved at the beginning. He was really

792
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: just a blocker. Yeah, until that that switch and they

793
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: start gett him involved along. So to me, it's nothing

794
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: to do with comparing the situations or comparing the players,

795
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: but I think the scheme is what we're comparing, right,

796
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: And I think Brady told you, like, this is not

797
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: a sustainable offense, like this is a chucking duck, no

798
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: risk it, no biscuit, as Bruce arians is like famous

799
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: line the thirty thirty offense Jamus Winston, Right, this is

800
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: not a good NFL offense in terms of efficiency. That yeah,

801
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: you might hit some big plays down the field, but

802
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: in terms of efficiency, this is not a good offense.

803
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: And they moved away from it, and then they won

804
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. I'm not saying the Patriots will win

805
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: a super Bowl if they move away from it too,

806
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: but they had a lot more success with it. So

807
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: look the back talking this afternoon. Do you make any

808
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: thing of that? And last week it was Bailey's I

809
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: think it's Ben Bailey zappy pretty consistently since Mac got injured.

810
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: I think maybe we had one week where it was

811
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer the Packers game. Going into the Packers game,

812
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: it was Brian Hoyer, But the last two weeks it's

813
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: been Bailey zappy. This week it's Mac Jones. Do you

814
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: do you make anything of that? I don't know, not

815
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: not definitively, Like I'm back and forth in my head

816
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: of what it could mean. So, you know, does it

817
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: because they don't have to give the starting quarterback, right,

818
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: just a quarterback. The obligation is a quarterback. But I

819
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: do believe that it's technically written as the starter, but

820
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily if Bill, like Bill said this morning,

821
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: we'll see who the starter is. He hasn't named a

822
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: starter yet. So these are all all these media rules

823
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: are are like more like guidelines. Look, it was happy

824
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: last week, Maybe it's Mac this week. Maybe they go

825
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: back to zappy next week. Maybe it's a rotation. Maybe

826
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: Max's gonna do they're platuning the press conference. Um, I

827
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: don't make a ton of it, you know, may maybe

828
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: it is Bill kind of you know, it wasn't a

829
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: good look when he pulled Mac. It wasn't a good look.

830
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a hey, you're still the guy, You're

831
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: still the starter, like that sort of thing. But I

832
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't read into that stuff too much.

833
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't read too much because it could also just

834
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: be Look, this is gonna be a tough press conference

835
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: for whoever it is, Mac or Bailey. Right, it's gonna

836
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: be a lot to handle. I feel I feel for

837
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: whoever it is. Maybe this is Max. Max's been here

838
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: for a year and a half, he has more media training.

839
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: They just trust him more in that spot, yeah, to

840
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: answer the questions and say not that they don't trust

841
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: happy to answer the question. He's a rookie. You're throwing

842
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: him into a lot. He also said some things on

843
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: the EI that I think they would have rathered him

844
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: button it up a little bit. But that's besides the point.

845
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: I think, you know that's that's exactly my point, like

846
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: Max's gonna be more prepared. I think the other thing, though,

847
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: is is too is this morning or this afternoon in

848
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: twelve forty five Belichick press conference, I get it looked

849
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: they haven't practiced. He hasn't talked to the team. Maybe.

850
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: I think that was a good point that Paul brought

851
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: up or Fred brought up that, Look, maybe he wants

852
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: to address the team first, and they weren't in. The

853
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: players weren't in yesterday, so they didn't get a chance

854
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: to tell the team first, hey Max starting, or hey

855
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: Bailey's starting, and then you go in tomorrow. We talked

856
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: to Bill again. Maybe tomorrow Bill names a starter for

857
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: this weekend at least right, maybe that's how they're going

858
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: to handle it, and maybe that's the way it will go.

859
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: But by getting up there this morning and giving the

860
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, we'll see response. Now when Mac

861
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: gets up there at the podium this afternoon, he's gonna

862
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: get peppered by with questions about it. I think it's

863
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: a much different mood and that Mac Jones press conference,

864
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: if it's Bill named him the starter this morning, and

865
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: then he gets up there and he's just asking answering

866
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: questions about starting on Sunday, right right, Like now we're

867
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: almost back to normal. This inviting, I think in a

868
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: lot of ways, is inviting the same peppering that Belichick

869
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: took at twelve forty five over the quarterback situation. Is

870
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: now they're now bringing it upon Mac. Right now, Mac

871
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: is going to have to answer the same questions too,

872
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: and be asked the same questions and kind of fall

873
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: on the sword here today for the situation right from

874
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: a player perspective, and that I think is really difficult. Yeah,

875
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: for a player, I do all right? What stands out

876
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: to me on it? Sorry? One quick point, Yeah, you

877
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: go back and I talk about this all the time,

878
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: historical context, right, find the patterns. Bill has been doing

879
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: this for so long, there's down to be tendencies. Last

880
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: time they had any sort of uncertainty at the quarterback

881
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: position was twenty twenty, right, right, And do you remember

882
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: how Bill handled that. Camasas start every chance he got

883
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: and I get The team finished seven to nine. They

884
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: didn't finish where anybody wanted them to finish. But I

885
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: actually think it could have been a lot worse. Yeah,

886
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: I would would would build did by continually reaffirming camas

887
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: to start. Was there was direction. Everybody got behind him.

888
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Cam was a clear leader on and off the field.

889
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: And say what you will about Cam as a player,

890
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: but it never felt like that locker room fell apart.

891
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: It never felt like those guys quit that season right

892
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: where I think it would have been really easy to

893
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: kind of create a battle in the locker room over

894
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: who the quarterback should be. Fast forward to now, I

895
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: would say, there's even more reason to stand. You just

896
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: took Mac Jones in the first round. Right, Cam Newton,

897
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: he didn't have a long term future in New England,

898
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: even if he played well. He was thirty three years old,

899
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: he was on a one year contract. He was not

900
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: a ten year plan kind of guy at that point

901
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: in his career. He wasn't mac Jones could be. Mac

902
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Jones could be. But you're adding a level uncertainty to

903
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: an inside the building the way and look, maybe Bill's

904
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: gone in there and told him that Max starter, Bailey

905
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: start or whatever. But it's a little striking to see

906
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: how he handled in twenty twenty versus how he's handling

907
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: it now. Yeah, absolutely all right, last caller here on

908
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: the screen, Ben, how are you doing. Hey, y'all, big

909
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: fan of both of you. Quick question, why did Jamie

910
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: Collins open the game at lineback to like against the

911
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: athletic quarterback like justin fields? And who was the quarterback spy?

912
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: Because it kind of felt like the Patriots did not

913
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: have one. And then um, I think it's under the radar,

914
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: but it's Stevenson taking over for David Damian Harris as

915
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: the started. Thanks guys taking it off. Thanks for calling, Ben,

916
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: appreciate it. First question. I wanted to move over to

917
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: the defense, so that's a good segue to answer the

918
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: question about the spy. No, they didn't happen. They didn't

919
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: have one in man coverage. The didn't play a lot

920
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: of man coverage. They played nine snaps in man coverage,

921
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: nineteen in zone, so they didn't play a ton of man.

922
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: But when they did play man, I think I sent

923
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: you the third and fourteen, yeah, where Justin Fields runs

924
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: for for twenty yards and picks up the first down

925
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: wide open. No spy Adrian Phillips is playing robber at

926
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: the sticks. I don't think he was a factor as

927
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: a spy. It's a four man rush, it's man coverage.

928
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: The defense that you know, the secretary has their back

929
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, non factors and they're just trying to

930
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: keep them in the pocket with the rush and they

931
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: weren't able to do that and they let them out.

932
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: So no spy in man. I thought, from just a

933
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: designer a planned standpoint that was obviously not a good one.

934
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: And this issue that they have with mobile quarterbacks and

935
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: zone coverage is all pass rush related. It's all pass

936
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: rush related. And what's happening is is that you're either

937
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: having guys over pursue or get up the field too

938
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: far and allowing the quarterback to escape through the middle

939
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: of the pocket right the A and B gaps, let's

940
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: call it, or you're just having guys stand there and

941
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: watch the quarterback play quarterback from the pocket, and yeah,

942
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: you're making him throw and beat you from the pocket technically,

943
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: But a lot of NFL quarterbacks, most NFL quarterbacks can

944
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: make throws down the field when they're kept clean if

945
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: there's no pressure. Guys like justin fields, the guy they're

946
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: they're going to play on Sunday that we're going to

947
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: talk about at the end here, Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson's

948
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: numbers when he's kept cleaning the pocket are terrific. When

949
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: he's under pressure, he craters right like that. That's a

950
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: lot mac I think it has similar as so, just

951
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: because you're keeping him in the pocket, if you're not

952
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: getting any pressure on him, that doesn't matter, and then

953
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: he can sit there and make throws and all that

954
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But the players that really kill them

955
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: are the ones where they let him out of the

956
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: pocket and he moves the zone with his legs right,

957
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: because all of a sudden he breaks contain. Now he's

958
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: on the run, and guys in zone or pulled towards

959
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: him right, so the whole zone is moving towards the quarterback,

960
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: and then all of the receivers have to do is

961
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: find the soft spots or find the openings and sit

962
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: down and Justin Fields hits them with throws. Those are

963
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: the ones that really kill you because you have good

964
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: initial coverage, you have a good initial rush, and then

965
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: you let him out of the pocket and now he's

966
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: creating almost like a playground scramble drill at that point,

967
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: and those are the ones that are backbreakers, and along

968
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: with like the scrambles on third and fourteen, when you

969
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: give up a first down to on a scramble like

970
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: those are just can't happen because they're so deflating for

971
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: the defense. But we saw this with Justin Josh Allen

972
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: excuse me last year as well, especially like the playoff game.

973
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: I kind of throw out because they were banged up

974
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: and it was just a disaster, right. But the game

975
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: in Foxborough zone coverage, everybody looking at the quarterback and

976
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: people know pressure right, like he's got all day to

977
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: throw behind the line of scrimmage. So those are the

978
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: types of things that they have to get out of.

979
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I've always been an advocate of just

980
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: rush them and maybe put a spy out there in

981
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: man coverage, like I think that that's probably the best

982
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: way to handle it. But I think it's sometimes like

983
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: you just gotta gett after him, you know, Like I

984
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: think at some point in time, like I think a

985
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: really interesting quote that Davon Godshaw gave me after the

986
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: game was that Justin Fields wrecked their third down game

987
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: plan because people, the players, the coaches, everybody was thinking

988
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: so much about not letting him beat them with his

989
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: legs and not getting out of the pocket that their

990
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: usual dynamic third down rush package was completely neutralized just

991
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: by Justin Fields's threat of him potentially taking off. And

992
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I think that they get caught in this no man's

993
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: land of well, we gotta contain, but we got a pressure,

994
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: so we're really kind of doing neither right. And that's

995
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: like what happens so much on these tapes against mobile

996
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and then the design thing. Runs are a whole

997
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: different ball game, But in terms of passing plays and

998
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: how the mobile quarterbacks affecting it, I just don't think

999
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: that they have any a great grasp on what exactly

1000
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: it is are they're trying to do. Are they trying

1001
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: to pressure him or they trying to contain him? Like

1002
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: which one are they going to go with because right now,

1003
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: guys are doing different things. Some guys are going after him,

1004
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: some guys are staying back, and it just looks kind

1005
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: of like a mess. Honestly, Well, I think what's hurt them.

1006
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: They do have some guys who aren't talented enough, and

1007
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: it's not easy to find guys like this, But there

1008
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: are some guys who are talented enough to do both.

1009
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: You look at Matthew Judo, who's a very disciplined rusher

1010
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: right can stay in front of a quarterback as long

1011
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: as he needs to to ultimately close in and get

1012
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: the sack without too much of a risk. Another guy

1013
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: like that as Christian Barmore, and they missed him badly

1014
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: in this game because Daniel Aquala got turned around a

1015
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: couple of times. Sam Roberts on one on his one

1016
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: defensive Snapcott turned around. They just they didn't. I almost

1017
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: feel like they recognize they didn't have the athleticism to

1018
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: go after him, and they were two hands off. There's

1019
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: a certain element of you don't want to aggressively pursue

1020
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: him too much because when he breaks it, he's going

1021
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: to be able to run forever. But by staying as

1022
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: off as they did they just naturally created those opportunities. Yeah,

1023
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean the old adages, you don't want to chase

1024
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: the chicken, right right, Like you don't you don't want

1025
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: to pin your ears back and chase him around the

1026
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: field and turn it into a game of tag, right right,

1027
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: because Destin Fields is going to beat you in a

1028
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: game of tag every single day of the week. But

1029
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: unfortunately he did turn it into a game at tag

1030
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: because either they were coming after him undisciplined, or they

1031
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: weren't coming after him right. They were so far away

1032
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: from him that he had room to run anyway, right,

1033
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: So it just they got to find a better way

1034
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: of striking that balance between the two things. And maybe

1035
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: it's by not balancing at all, Like maybe maybe it's

1036
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, this is too difficult to strike a

1037
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: balance on this. So instead of trying to do the

1038
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: old Star Wars trash compactor and just kind of collapse

1039
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: the pocket around him and not let him out, because

1040
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to push a pocket like that consistently, right,

1041
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: So instead of doing that, like we're just gonna let

1042
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: four guys go after him, We're gonna put Mac Wilson

1043
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: or Kyle Dugger or Adrian Phillips as a spy of

1044
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: one of our faster, better tacklers in the open field

1045
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: is gonna spy him, and we're just gonna play football, right,

1046
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: And I think that that's I hope where the adjustments

1047
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: start to come now, Zach will I will say again though,

1048
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: getting you know, there's some things in the game you

1049
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: look at schematically and how do they change this, and

1050
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: that getting Christian ball more back will help with that.

1051
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's an issue that maybe you know,

1052
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: once they get their personnel back, they'll be in better shape. Yeah,

1053
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: quickly On the design quarterback rounds than I want to

1054
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: talk about the Jets, yea. The design quarterback rounds I

1055
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: think are interesting as well to dissect because well, first

1056
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: of all, design quarterback rounds are tough to defend, Like, yeah,

1057
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: everybody's got problems with design quarterback rounds, especially when you

1058
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: have a guy like Lamar or a guy like Justin

1059
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: Fields who for statistically and I would say, for my money,

1060
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: are the two best running quarterbacks in the league right now,

1061
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: and just in terms of pure skill with the ball

1062
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: in their hands, right, So, yeah, those guys are just

1063
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: tough to tackle. Like they're they're very very good at

1064
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: what they do. Now from a numbers standpoint, would would

1065
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: always challenges, and the Patriots took advantage of the numbers

1066
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: count with Cam and the whole twenty twenty season. The

1067
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 1: one thing they probably did well on offense was taken

1068
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: advantage of this, Like when they go empty for instance,

1069
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: like they did on the touchdown, and they did it

1070
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: again on third down on that QB sweep play. You're

1071
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: you're just it's five on five blocking and he's the

1072
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: sixth guy and there's unless somebody gets off a block,

1073
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna pick it up right, Like it's just numbers,

1074
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: it's just math, Okay. Now. The one thing that you

1075
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: see though with some of these read plays like counter

1076
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: reads or gap reads or zone reads, the second read,

1077
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: the second level of the defense. I think at times

1078
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: we've seen it with Mac Wilson. There was a play

1079
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: that I highlighted in my post with Jawan Bentley. I

1080
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: discipline is huge because what's happening right now is that

1081
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: second level is getting caught trying to read out the

1082
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: mesh point like instead of Juwan Bentley just saying I

1083
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: got the B gap right, like the poller comes to me.

1084
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm meeting him in the gap, and that's my responsibility.

1085
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: He's standing there and trying to scan right like he's

1086
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: trying to read out and react to the play. So

1087
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: what's he ended up doing. He ends up false stepping.

1088
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: It makes him easier to block. They get the crease

1089
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: on him, and now it's a big play, right, Like

1090
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: those are the things that are happening with the design

1091
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: quarterback rounds. So run defense in general, it's you know,

1092
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: it's it's obvious, like in the fit, like you have

1093
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: a responsibility and you got to play team defense like

1094
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: your job is your job. My job is my job.

1095
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: But even more so with design quarterback runs, you have

1096
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: to just I know it's cliche and I know it's

1097
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: their mantra around here, but you got to do your

1098
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: job right. You can't be a hero. You can't try

1099
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: to read out the play. Oh he's given it to

1100
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: the back and now I'm going backside b gap to

1101
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, the the edge and making the tackle Like,

1102
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: don't be a hero, Like just play your gap, Like,

1103
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: just play your assignment. And I think if they can

1104
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: get back to assignment based football like that, you know,

1105
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think, oh, you know,

1106
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: they don't have the speed, right, how many times do

1107
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: we hear that they don't have the team speed, They

1108
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: don't have the athleticism in the front seven. They need

1109
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: a playmaking linebacker. They need better eyes. That's what they

1110
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: need right now. I mean, like, you know, I don't

1111
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: mean that literally. I just mean like they need they

1112
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: need to be more disciplined with what they're reading and

1113
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: how they're playing the scheme. So I don't necessarily think

1114
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: that it's like an athleticism thing as much as I

1115
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: think it is a eye discipline in a reading thing.

1116
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: And those counter read plays, that's what they ran that

1117
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Baltimore ran, and the Bears just copied it, right, they

1118
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: just literally took it and they copied it into their

1119
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: game plan and they ran the exact same play against

1120
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots and the exact same results happen. So if

1121
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: you can just get the linebacker level back to just

1122
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: playing their assignment and not trying to be a hero

1123
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: and read out the mesh point and find the football

1124
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, Like pollers come in,

1125
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: you gotta press the pollar right, like you meet the

1126
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: pollar in the gap. Like that's simple don't worry about

1127
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: the handoff. Go in the other direction. Like we got

1128
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: guys that are worrying about that. Your responsibility is over here,

1129
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: and that I think is what's happening a lot of

1130
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: time on the design quarterback rounds. Yeah, anyways, Jets, Jets,

1131
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: got to talk about the Jets. I looked up some

1132
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: of these numbers this morning. The Patriots won twelve straight

1133
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: games against the Jets. Yeah, going back to twenty fifteen.

1134
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: The last quarterback to beat the Patriots in a Patriots

1135
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: Jets game was. Oh, man, I'm usually good with this thing.

1136
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I know on the spot twenty fifteen. Wow, it was it.

1137
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't Hackenburg take I don't know who was it?

1138
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: Fits magic? Oh, I should have had Ryan cat Track,

1139
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: who's now retired. I know what game you're talking about.

1140
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I think. They won by field

1141
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: goal right in overtime. Do you remember who the head

1142
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: coach of the Jets was that day? Wasn't Ryan anymore? Nope,

1143
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: it was it was Todd Bowles to So they've gone

1144
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: through since that game. They're on their second head coach,

1145
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: right because they went to um of course, now I'm blanking.

1146
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: Now they're on Robert Sala obviously, and h Adam Gaze

1147
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: Outam Gas. That's right, yeah, Adam Gas. Right, So they're

1148
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: on Adam Gays and they go to Roberts. They're on

1149
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: their second GM, right, because mccagny gets fired. Now Joe

1150
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: Douglas is the general manager. They have started ten different

1151
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks since that game. Ten ten different quarterback I started

1152
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: what four guys last year? I think, oh yeah, even

1153
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 1: post Brady twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, yeah, four

1154
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: or no ye? An average margin of victory of nineteen

1155
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: points a game one third. Seven to sixty is the

1156
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: aggregate score in those four games with Cam Newton and

1157
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: Mac Jones at the quarterback for the Patriots. So even

1158
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: post Brady, the Patriots have dominated the Jets. That's the

1159
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: one team they've always beaten. Even with all the rebuilding

1160
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: and you know, the post Brady stuff, they're still beating

1161
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: the crap out of the Jets. But this feels like

1162
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: a game the Jets would be favored in. And this

1163
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: feels like a game that I'll put you this way.

1164
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: This feels like a real football game now right, Like

1165
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: this doesn't feel like oh they're playing they get right,

1166
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: game right, like they got any easy one this week. Guys,

1167
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. It's the Jets, right. The Jets

1168
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: defense is trending in a really positive direction. They're tenth

1169
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: in dv OA now their second in this windstreak and

1170
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: epa per play. They have a budding defense. Are gonna

1171
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: get to Zach in a second because he's still a disaster,

1172
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: But their defense is fantastic, And I think when you

1173
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: look at the way that they've built their defense, you

1174
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: have to give Joe Douglas and Robert saw a lot

1175
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: of credit because some people play Matt right and they

1176
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: just pick guys off the draft board that are, you know,

1177
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: a talented right, Like for the Jets. I think Stingley

1178
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: went three right, so they didn't have a chance to

1179
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: take to take him right and then and then Sauce

1180
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: goes forward to the Jets. But like that would be

1181
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: like if they had both corners on the board and

1182
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: they pick Stingley instead of Sauce right, because Sauce fits

1183
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: exactly what they do, Like he's Richard Sherman two point

1184
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: out for round sala Stingle's man coverage guy. Like it

1185
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a good fit in the in the

1186
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: zone scheme that they run. So they've about it's about

1187
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: collect it's it's not about collecting talents, about building a team.

1188
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: They've built a team. They have on defense. Defense, They've

1189
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: built a defense. So I think the couple moves that

1190
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: I had, I'll highlight retaining Quinnin Williams and John Franklin

1191
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: Myers through the rebuild great decisions by that front office,

1192
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: because both of those guys, if you're gonna run this

1193
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: Seattle three system, which is what they do, they're play

1194
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: zone in the back end three quarters, things like that,

1195
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: you gotta have four man pass rush. You gotta be

1196
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: able to get home with four because you don't want

1197
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: to take guys out of coverage because you're trying to

1198
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: cover in zone right, so you don't want to have

1199
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: to only drop six or drop five into zone like

1200
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna be screwed. So you gotta be able to

1201
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback with four. So they retain Quinnon

1202
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: Williams and they retain John Franklin Myers through the rebuild,

1203
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: two really good moves by them, because those are two

1204
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: guys that can get after the quarterback without much bells

1205
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: and whistle right they don't need to place, they don't

1206
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: need to do stuff like that. At linebacker, Quincy Williams

1207
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: is a player that I don't think a lot of

1208
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: people know. He is a very athletic linebacker. And when

1209
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna play zone, you need linebackers that can cover space, right,

1210
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: So he's somebody that can do it. And then obviously

1211
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: c J. Mosley is a really good and athletic player

1212
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: as well. And then what they did with the fourth

1213
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: overall pick last year in the draft was draft Sauce,

1214
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: who I know a lot of people I put some

1215
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: praise for Sauce on Twitter. The boss, Fred Kurch told

1216
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: me to be quiet, right, he said, don't don't be

1217
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: praising Jets players. But a lot of people came at me.

1218
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: All you know, Dpi, right, Like he's always holding guys.

1219
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: Go watch Richard Sherman play. He's always holding guys too, right,

1220
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: Like that's just he's long, he's physical, that's his style

1221
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: of play. But he's six foot three. He's got great

1222
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: length to disrupt the catch point. It's almost like throwing

1223
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: to it, like buy a soccer goalie, right, because he

1224
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: can stand there in zone coverage and just covers so

1225
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: much ground with his length. He's got great route recognition

1226
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: in zone. And then when they play like some of

1227
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: their locked coverages, like their Mabel coverages and things like that,

1228
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: where they locked the backside in man, he can cover

1229
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: guys in man because he's got the fluidity do that

1230
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: as well. He is a Richard Sherman clone. He literally

1231
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: he really is. Now we'll see if he ends up

1232
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: having that type of career. It's he's seven games in,

1233
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: but seven games in fifty one passer rating into his coverage.

1234
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: Ten pass breakups through seven games as a rookie leads

1235
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: a league in pass breakups. So they got their corner

1236
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: and he only plays exactly like Sherman plays his side.

1237
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: He's a left corner. He doesn't move, he doesn't travel

1238
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: right like he's just going to play his side of

1239
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: the field. So that's what they've done defensively. They've really

1240
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: built this defense. They're not collecting talent. They know what

1241
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: scheme they want to run, they know what Robert Salad does,

1242
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: and they have built this defense in Robert Sala's image

1243
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: of what the defense should look like. To their credit,

1244
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: and I think that they deserve some of the flowers

1245
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: that they're getting for the fact that they've built a

1246
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: really good roster. They haven't really gone out in free

1247
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: agency and had any real terrible contracts, Like I guess

1248
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: you could talk about the Corey Davis contract. Maybe not

1249
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: the best signing, but they needed receivers and they got

1250
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: a receiver kind of like the Patriots the Aghalore and

1251
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne or Davante Parker. And they didn't pay him

1252
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars a year or anything like that.

1253
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: He's making manageable money. And they've really done a good

1254
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: job in free agency as well of spending but not

1255
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: just spending to spend and spending calculated. Now, with all

1256
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: that praise aside, and you can for your opinion on

1257
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: the defense if you want as well, but all that

1258
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: praise aside, Zach Wilson is still Zack Wilson. Yes, And

1259
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: that is I think the biggest thing that you look

1260
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: at in this game and you say he's not Lamar,

1261
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: he's not just in fields. He can move, but he's

1262
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: but he's not straight line fast like those two guys are,

1263
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: so you're not as worried about him getting out of

1264
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: the pocket and running away with the game. So his

1265
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: splits when he's kept clean versus under pressure insane. It's

1266
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: like him and Mac Unfortunately Mac as well are near

1267
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: the bottom in the league and pretty much every metric

1268
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to pressure, right passer rating, turnovers, p

1269
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: F grade, like whatever you want to use. So really,

1270
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at Wilson, it's still a

1271
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: big time question mark of whether or not they have

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. And you look at their receivers. You know,

1273
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, I weird did a lot of Garrett Wilson

1274
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: talk and on the old Pod pre drafted. I'm not

1275
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: like the biggest Garrett Wilson fan, but he's a good

1276
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: player and he's a good receiver. Corey Davis I mentioned

1277
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is unhappy, but he will see what the

1278
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: deal is with him. Yeah, but he can play when

1279
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: he plays. They have some receivers. I know Breece Hall

1280
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: is a big loss for them, but overall I'm getting

1281
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: outs their skill positions are pretty solid as well. Their

1282
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: line is still a problem, Zach Wilson's still a problem,

1283
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: but pretty much the rest of the roster is in

1284
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: pretty good shape. And I think once they addressed the line,

1285
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: I think that probably comes first, and then they probably,

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01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: if they're smart, eventually I think they build the line

1287
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: out and then I think eventually they move on from

1288
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson as well and restart there too. But it

1289
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: goes to show ultimately, you know, look, they've won four straight,

1290
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: so they're not exactly in a terrible spot, but it

1291
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: goes to show that, like if you don't have the

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01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: quarterback position and figure it out, it still feels like

1293
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: a winnable game. Yeah, yeah, I get because they've got

1294
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: enough around and it all makes sense what they're doing around.

1295
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, sounds crazy to say it. Jets are kind

1296
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: of a well coached team right now. They are outside

1297
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: of whatever's going on with Elijah Wis Elijah Moore, But

1298
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: I think that's more about Elijah more maybe than the

1299
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: coaching staff. It's a bizarre one. Yeah, they know what

1300
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: they're doing. Again, they've got to cover up for Zach Wilson.

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01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Patriots, I think you had

1302
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: texted me this like this could be a scene ghost

1303
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: game again. Yeah, but you got to take an opportunity

1304
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: because if if you get I don't know that the

1305
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: Jets are gonna come out and win the game straight up.

1306
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: But if you in the past, you could give the

1307
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: Jets a couple chances to get back in the game

1308
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be able to take them. Yeah, if

1309
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: you give the Jets chances, they're gonna get back. They're

1310
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna get in this game. So that's what it comes

1311
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: down to to me. And they're gonna play great defense. Yeah,

1312
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: they're pretty clean on special teams as Belichicks, They're gonna

1313
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: keep that margin of error very time, right, So they're

1314
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: gonna make you drive the field most of the timeless

1315
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: you can pick Zach Wilson off, which is maybe possible.

1316
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: But this, to me is one of those games for

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01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots to kind of get into, like how the

1318
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: Patriots attack this, right? I think this is one of

1319
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: these games for the Patriots where if you're the Patriots defense,

1320
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: you have to come after Zach Wilson. You have to

1321
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: basically dictate the terms of the game by being aggressive defensively,

1322
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: and you really need forget about like, oh, we gotta

1323
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: put the pressure on Zach Wilson and put the game

1324
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 1: on his No, no, no, you'd have to come after

1325
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: him like right off the bat, because the one thing

1326
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: that you're gonna need to do is You're really gonna

1327
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: have to find ways to give the offense short fields

1328
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: because I don't think that the Patriots offense and the

1329
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: current state that it is in, is going to drive

1330
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: the field consistently against this Jets defense. The defense is

1331
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: playing out of its mind. So I don't think you're

1332
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: gonna go seventy five yards on the Jets defense too

1333
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: often right now, especially the way that they play. They

1334
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: really limit explosive plays with the zone, so like they

1335
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: don't really give up chunk yardage. So you're gonna have

1336
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: to matriculate your way down the field if you're gonna

1337
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: do it. So if they're in the Zappie offense is doable.

1338
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: If they're in the Mac offense, that's that's not how

1339
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: the Mac offense operates. So it adds to kind of

1340
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: the weirdness of all right. So but ultimately I think

1341
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: you really need to This needs to be like a

1342
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: seeing ghost kind of game, right, Like you need to

1343
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: pick off Zach Wilson two or three times. They had

1344
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: a game like that last year in Week two, right,

1345
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: they offense didn't really play very well. Mac is his

1346
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: second art in the NFL. Wasn't one of his better

1347
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: games as a pro, and they were able to pick

1348
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: off I think they picked him off three times by

1349
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: like the first drive, right, it was twice name JC

1350
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: at two right, I think j C had too, and

1351
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: I think the first one that Jac had was like

1352
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: the second play of the game. Right. So you have

1353
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: to have a couple of those types of turnovers or

1354
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: field flipping type of plays by the defense where you're

1355
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: able to really put the offense, put it on a

1356
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: silver platter right for the offense and say, now you

1357
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: get the ball at the at the Jets thirty yard line,

1358
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: like please get a touchdown, right, you know, one of

1359
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: those types of things, or another five Nick Folk field goals. Yeah. Sure,

1360
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: but this Jets defense is legit. It is and I

1361
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: did against the Packers. They did it last week obviously

1362
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: as well against Brett Rabin. So I'm not going to

1363
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: give them even with the pack has been But yes,

1364
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: it's a good defense. It's still it's still the Packers.

1365
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: And they dominated the Packers. It wasn't like they you know,

1366
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: played decent against the Packers. There was a flat out

1367
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 1: domination defense side of the ball um. But yeah, look,

1368
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: I this is you need to take the game from

1369
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, right like you need to force Zach Wilson

1370
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: to give you the football game because straight up right now,

1371
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: like this is a tough game for the Patriots, Like

1372
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: just looking at their tough matchup, Yeah, tough matchup, looking

1373
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: at their offense against the Jets defense. I have to

1374
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: give it to the Jets right now, Like I have

1375
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: to say that the Jets defense is better, and kudos

1376
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: to them. They They've built a good d and they

1377
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: have a lot of young talent on both sides of

1378
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: the ball, and some of it's hurt, right like Elijah

1379
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: Vera Tucker and Breece Hall are hurt, which hurts them

1380
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: on offense. But they have a lot of really good

1381
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: young talent on this roster. It's a fun team. I

1382
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: hate to say that. It sounds like disgusting coming on

1383
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: the bath, but it's a it's a fun team. But

1384
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, you gotta hang your hat on

1385
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: the fact that they don't have a quarterback. I still don't.

1386
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: I still it all goes back to that. Until you know,

1387
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: as long as you can take advance. We kind of

1388
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: saw this with the Patriots last weekendst the Bears. If

1389
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: you can take advantge of the quarterback situation, any game

1390
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: is winnable. Yeah, And I also would say that, you know,

1391
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: we mentioned that that Wilson can move around a little bit.

1392
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: They do move the pocket right, so they they're they're

1393
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: shanahan ish. I wouldn't say that it's like full on Shanahan,

1394
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: but they do have the bootlegs and stuff like that.

1395
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: At times. They run some RPO on early downs as

1396
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: well to get the ball out of his hands quickly,

1397
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: and he's pretty good at those um But he's again

1398
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback that I still think you can

1399
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: pin your ears back, like. He's not totally like he's

1400
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: not Jared Goff right, Like he can move around a

1401
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: little bit more than that. But maybe he's like Jacobe

1402
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: Rissette right, like you know, you're still not deal. He's

1403
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: more mobile than Jacoby, I would say, but yeah, he's not.

1404
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: He's not justin fields or Jackson. So I think this

1405
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: is one of those games we're talking about earlier where

1406
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: you might just need to let the pass rush pass

1407
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: rush right, like you've gotta let them. The one guy

1408
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: who really looked good on defense for the page well

1409
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: there were three. I thought Marcus Jones and Jacket Jack

1410
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: Jones both had good games, but Matthew Judon is the

1411
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: one guy who's kind of been impervious to all of this. Yeah,

1412
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: you need him in this game big time. Yeah, let

1413
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: stunt the line. Let Judon go after him. Like you know,

1414
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: Joon says he has those plays or he just has

1415
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: a full go, right, they don't tell him to contain

1416
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I need like four or five

1417
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: of those in this game. It could be it could

1418
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: be like just well, I bring up the rookie corner

1419
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: Zoe specifically, Jack could be a big game because, like

1420
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: you said, you're gonna need a blitz in this one. Yeah,

1421
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna be out on an island, I

1422
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: think quite a bit if you can't play it the

1423
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: right way. And you know, it's not the Bengals or

1424
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: or the Rams in terms of the receiving core, but

1425
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: they've got some real NFL talent there, and we know

1426
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: what Jalen Mills can do. But for Jack Jones, for

1427
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, I think this is gonna be a big

1428
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: test for them. They're gonna kind of be putting spots

1429
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: where the team's really going to rely on them without

1430
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: help to be able to lock some of these guys down. Yeah,

1431
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it too, will be

1432
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: off man, which is Jack prefers where Jack wants to be,

1433
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: and that allows him to not only you know, you're

1434
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: playing man coverage, but allows him to see the quarterback. Right,

1435
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be opportunities to intercept balls, Like, there's

1436
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: gonna be opportunities to pick him off. Yes, and Jack Jones.

1437
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: I if Jack Jones doesn't have an interception in this game,

1438
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: then I'd be surprised, and that's not good for the paper.

1439
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: That's that means that they didn't do the plan, Like,

1440
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: they didn't execute what they were trying to execute, all right,

1441
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: So we'll see, Well, we'll come back next week and

1442
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: see what this game looks like. I still don't think

1443
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: either one of these teams are in an elite tier

1444
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: where this is like a statement game of any sort

1445
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: for either one, right, Like, I don't know if like

1446
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come out of this game and be like, oh, well,

1447
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: maybe the Patriots aren't what we saw on Monday night

1448
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: like and be fully all in, or if the Jets

1449
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: win in rattle off five straight like, I still don't

1450
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna be like, oh, well, maybe the Jets

1451
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: are contenders, right, they'd beat the Patriots. But at the

1452
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: same time, like that, you know, I think that this

1453
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: is a big game for both teams. The Jets need

1454
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: to get the monkey off the back, right, like they

1455
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: need to beat the Patriots for the first time since

1456
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick and Todd Bowls are running the ship in

1457
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: New York, and for the Pats, a big bounce back

1458
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: this week for sure. Yeah, all right, So we'll be

1459
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: back next week, same time, same place, two to three pm,

1460
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,599
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01:09:55,640 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: your podcasts, right Spotify, Apple, Google, anywhere you get your pods,

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Speaker 1: you can find Patriots Catch twenty two. But until next time.

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Speaker 1: Signing off for Alex Barth, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for

1464
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: listening everybody, and we'll see you next Wednesday. Thank you

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