WEBVTT - SMNTY Classics: Circe 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:07.039 Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.400 I'm welcome to stuff I never told you productuly iHeartRadio. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.799 I try not to do this too often where we 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.959 bring back a ton of classics on entertainment because it 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.040 feels like we're sort of shifting what the podcast is 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:29.480 just being. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.360 An entertainment podcast. 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.000 But there's just a lot of stuff going on right 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.199 now in the world of entertainment. So I thought I 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.840 would bring back this one. This book club we did 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.440 on Circe Who if you don't remember, and the book 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.159 is Turns Turns Men into Pigs. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:49.320 Yes it was. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.120 I remember it being a really fun read, but it 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.680 was a longer, a longer book than what we normally choose. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.920 But I thought i'd bring it back because the Odyssey 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:05.640 in theaters right now, and there is so much discussion 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.920 about the depiction of women in it, but and seriously 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.520 is one of the big ones because they kind of 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.960 from what I understand, I haven't seen it, but I 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:21.119 believe she's more in line with this depiction as sort 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.039 of the vengeful witch as opposed to how she. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.520 Was in the original Odyssey. 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.760 Of that being said, as we know of as a 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.440 lot of us I've seen well a lot of talk 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.640 about what particular. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.720 Version of the Odyssey you're reading. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.440 Because people translate it in different ways. So I just 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.080 thought this would be an interesting one to bring back 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.760 as all of that discussion is happening. Please enjoy this 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:53.720 classic episode. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.720 Hey, this is Annymantha, and welcome to stuff. But I've 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.560 never told your protection of iHeartRadio. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.480 It is time for our first book club of twenty 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.480 twenty one, and my question today for you, Samantha is 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.079 were you into Greek mythology I. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:25.760 Was a kid. 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:26.280 I was. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.520 I really was really big into all of that. I 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.720 had the encyclopedia stuff, you know how they had the 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.120 story version of all of that. Oh, and I would 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.200 read those all the times growing up. Of course, I've 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.760 kind of forgotten them since then, so I kind of 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.280 confused the names because there are similar stories obviously with 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.440 different names. So I have a moment of like who. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.760 But I did really enjoy it. As in fact, recently 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.960 which I love to see, we saw pretty much a 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:00.560 battle of Xena Warrior Princess versus Hercules, and I'm pretty 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.240 sure seen I want slash Lucy Lawless in. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.000 Their Twitter fight. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:05.720 So I just want to put that out there. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.280 You gotta put that out there. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:10.000 I'm just gonna put that. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.760 What do you think, Well, if you had been a 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.760 goddess would have been the goddess. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.200 Of uh, some type of mischieff probably like I definitely 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.880 would not have been like the beauty or the loved one. 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.519 It's definitely as to cost some kind of mayhem every 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.880 now and again. Like I'm I'm absolutely sure how you 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.200 have put my dog Peaches in your dn D as 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:38.040 the mischievous, kind hearted but really disastrous uh character in 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.800 your thing. I'm pretty sure I would be somewhere along 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.280 those lines, which is why I love it. 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:47.680 Yeah, I could see that. I could see you that 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:49.040 for sure. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.320 Because of course nothing really mean. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:04:01.000 Spirited, right Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.320 I was. I was huge into Greek mythology. I also 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.840 had those uh like books with the like images and 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.720 I would trace them out and paint them and I'd 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:10.720 hang them on my wall. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:11.920 That was the kind of kid I was. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.320 Y And then I loved this show called Young Hercules, 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.479 which I'll said it before. I was on the Ryan 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.360 Gosling train before anyone else, because I was a nine 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.800 year old writing him a very very embarrassing fan letter 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.479 that I hope never made it to him, so that 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.440 the eyes were dotted with heart, Samantha. It was a disgrace. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.320 But you can't get that show anywhere. And I taped 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.920 them all like I would get it came on at 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.240 three pm, I'd. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.560 Like run in and tape them. And so now I'm like, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:46.360 could I like turn to profit? Could I upload these? 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.080 Because I got all taped. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.320 I was gonna say, daddy withheld, because you know, not 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.440 all VHS's are in a great condition for viewing. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:54.800 Well. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:56.120 I did. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.440 The most recent time I watched them was in college, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.960 and there was some they were still you know, skipping around, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.120 and the commercials are still there obviously, but sometimes I 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.760 would like fast forward through them, you know, and it 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.480 would record that, Uh, it's all a pretty good shape. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.760 I don't have a VCR anymore, though, so I can't 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.719 test it. Yeah, this is the issue. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.000 You need to get. Well, we need a VCR obviously. Yeah. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.200 I'm having flashbacks of me doing the same thing. I 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:24.480 think I did that with Green and of Green Gables, 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.760 except it wasn't commercials. It was just a long winded GPB. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.240 Here in the Georgia, they're fundraising because it's one of 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.720 the only say it and I would pause, try and 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.839 make it the perfect succinct movie. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.560 I failed. I'm pretty sure. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.080 I love it. I did that stuff to it. All 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:47.400 of our young girl listeners are like. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.080 What you no, don't worry about it. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.000 As a kid, we rented our VCR from the Curtis Mathis. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:54.960 That's how old I am. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:00.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.280 I've been rewatching some old Seinfeld episodes and it's been 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.640 the technology it has been given me a chuckle. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:08.799 But okay. 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.960 Today we were talking about Madeline Miller's twenty eighteen novel Circe, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.040 which a few of you have recommended, and I actually 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.560 I really really enjoyed it, so thank you for the recommendation. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.080 And this is a follow up to her previous book, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.320 The Song of Achilles, and she like knows her stuff. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.240 She has an ma in classic, so uh. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.360 The book gives the witch from the Greek myth the 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.200 Odyssey Circe, a backstory that spans for thousands of years. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.440 And it was really fun for me because I've obviously, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.680 I imagine like most of us, I've read the Odyssey, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.600 but it was a long time ago, so like I 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.240 would say, I recognize like half the. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:48.800 Characters, but I knew all of them. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.440 I was like, I know, I don't get the power 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.040 of this moment, but I know that you're a character, 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:54.839 and I should. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.800 Know what this means. Yep, feel the same way. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.320 Yeah, And Miller said she got the idea because as 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.560 a kid she heard about like this witch you could 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.640 turn men into pigs, and she was so excited to 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.960 read it, and then the Odyssey it's like fifteen lines 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.080 and she was so disappointed. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.040 So she was like, I'm going to give her a story. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.680 And yeah, if you need a reminder, that is Cyrus's 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.080 role in the Odyssey. She was this witch that turned 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:26.280 Odysseus's men into pigs. But he challenged her and kind 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.400 of tricked her with hermes, and she changed them back. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.640 And then her and Odysseus become lovers for a while, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.640 and then she helps them when they leave. Oh and 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.760 probably quick disclaimer, we did look up the Greek pronunciations 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.080 for things, but it might be a bit. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.560 Of a mess and apologies in her vasis. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.840 So Miller's work in this book flushes out Circe's story, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.600 everything that brings her to that moment in the Odyssey 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.320 and carries her after it, and it reimagines many of 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.720 these heroic acts that we've heard in Greek mythology as 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.040 orchestrations of Circe or like Circe had something to do 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.800 with it. And this character is long inspired writers from 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.400 Ovid to James Joyce to Margaret Atwood. Which is actually 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:17.920 a theme in this story that that the men of 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:22.360 these Greek myths told these stories. They they made themselves 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.960 heroes in them, and then it was men who passed 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.200 those stories on and because of that they were these 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.400 men were painted as heroes when more often than not, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.400 you're kind of like, well, it seems like the lady 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:33.720 here or. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:38.040 You have saved your life or sacrifice herself for you, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:39.960 so that seems. 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.400 Hmm, yeah, maybe you should mention that, I don't know. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.559 And yeah, there are a lot of cameos from famous 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:56.559 Greek mythological characters like Daedalus, Icarus, Jason, Odsius, Hermes, Artemis, Achilles, Paris, Helen, Apollo, Agamemnon, Athena. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.880 Just it was a delight. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.440 And this book Ads of Now is getting an eight 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.840 part HBO mini series anyway. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.640 Yeah, so we wanted to start with obviously the plot, 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.040 so the story follows, circe a nymph, or uprised nymphs 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.400 were called, but that is not really how the world 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.160 saw us. We are an endless feast laid out upon 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.240 a table, beautiful and renewing, and so very bad at 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.800 getting away, great lines. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.319 So very bad at getting away. Just a little bit 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:27.960 of almost. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.320 And she is the daughter of the god of the 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.160 Sun and one of the most powerful titans, Helios and 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.800 the nymph Percy. She is a witch who can use 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.880 plants and words to cast spells. Her family is not 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.959 kind to her. They treat her as a lesser. They 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.120 describe her voice as frail, the voice of the mortal, 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.880 obviously that she's weak and the weakest of the circles. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.920 She's not as beautiful, so therefore she's completely cast aside. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.080 Circey is one of many of Helio's children, including her 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.400 cruel sister Passafehi and her brother and the younger brother 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.240 that she helped raise eighties. Her family is not kinder, 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.720 like we said before, and at one point Helios, her 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.560 father burns her in punishment, and throughout the book we 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:14.280 see most we see multiple instances of their cruelty uh 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:15.640 and their desire for power. 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:17.960 I still love it. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.480 I love Pacifa sounds like being pacified, and she's like 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:30.240 the officer of us. And in early formative memory, seriously 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.440 meets Prometheus just after he has disobeyed Zeus by helping 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.280 mortals by showing them fire. So it's the night before 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.680 he is to begin his sentence, chained to a rock 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.120 for all eternity, each day his liver devoured by an eagle, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.040 only for the liver to regenerate overnight and the whole 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.800 process to start all over again, which sounds absolutely miserable. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.400 Seriously witnesses him being whipped, and after everyone else leaves, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.760 including the furies, who also make a cameo, Uh, seriously 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.240 brings him nectar even though it is forbidden, and the 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.560 two have this six change you aided mortals. I said, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.560 that is why you are punished. It is Will you 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:06.680 tell me what is a mortal? 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:06.920 Like? 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.920 It was a child's question, but he nodded gravely. There 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.600 is no single answer. They are each different. The only 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:15.360 thing they share is death. You know the word, I 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.080 know it, I said, but I do not understand. No 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.280 God can their bodies crumble and pass into earth? Their 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.000 souls turn to cold smoke and fly to the underworld. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.920 There they eat nothing and drink nothing, and feel no warmth. 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.680 Everything they reach for slips from their grasp. A chill 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.920 shivered across my skin? How do they bear it? As 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:33.640 best they can? 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.680 As best they can? So. While Circe is not powerful 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.480 in the traditional goddess sense, she discovers she has a 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.840 talent for witchcraft, which we all love. And this is 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.559 something she discovers in the Mortal Realm, where she falls 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.960 in love with a young fisherman named Glaucos. She uses 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.360 her magic to turn them into a god, but finds 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.880 that becoming god has made him shallow and cruel. Surprise, surprise, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.560 he shows Sarce no gratitude and pretty much tosses her 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.440 away she uses to give her any attention. She also 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.480 uses her magic to transform a nymph and a romantic 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.520 rival for Glaucos, named Scilla, into a monster to match 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:14.080 her inner personality. Well damn, Silla becomes a behemoth twelve 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.640 tentacles and six mouths, guarding a straight in the ocean, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.280 taking six or twelve men from any boat that tends passage. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.520 This is something that haunts Cerce over the years. The 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.200 death of the mortals caused by circe spells and the 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.440 mindless monster. She's reduced Scilla too. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.480 Yeah, and Silla was I forgot about Scilla so that 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.120 I had to look up, Like, yeah, it's the backstory there. 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:38.960 I'm not gonna lie because when I read, I just 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.280 move on. I kind of didn't give us like a 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.199 chick glance other than okay, great monster character next. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.679 Yeah, So I love this. I love the story behind it. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.160 Zeus feels threatened by Circe's power like King of the 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:52.839 Gods is like. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.680 No lady could have this power? 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.800 Uh, and commands her father to exile her. Of course 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.400 he does, so he does to a small ice slated 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.560 island named Aya. So I couldn't find a pronization for that. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.319 That's just get I like it on my part, so 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.880 apologies if I'm way off. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:11.840 Here. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.600 Circe tames animals like lions and wolves. She grows plants 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.440 and herbs. She works on her magic. She learns how 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.480 to be independent, to braid her hair back and tie 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.520 her skirts up so they wouldn't catch on twigs. She 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.560 like learns how to carve and so and all kinds 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:31.880 of things. While there, she encounters many famous figures from 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.760 Greek mythology. One of the first to appear is Dadalus, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.199 who arrives via boat to summon her to attend to 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.200 her sister's birth, and Circe is furious about this, but 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.720 also wants to take the rare chance to break her exile, 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.520 as first she knows it could be here her only chance. 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:53.840 This journey, of course, required that they pass Silah. Dadalus's 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.440 crew had already lost men on the way to the island, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.640 but with magic and with her wit is able to 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.920 protect the rest of the career. This is also something 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.600 that really annoys Sircey because she feels like her sister 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.040 totally did that on purpose, that they had to go 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.160 that way and sent the boat that way because she knew, like, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:16.560 you created this monster, here you go. So when they arrive, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.120 Circe learns that her sister, who is married to Minos, 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.080 the king of Crete, has sired a monster with one 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:28.040 of her and Circe's father's sacred white bulls. With Circe's help, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:33.040 she gives birth to the minotaur. Circe has a heated 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.760 confrontation with her sister where sister lays bare how she 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.280 sees the world and the golden cages of men that 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.000 they both inhabit, the horrors and injustices they both had 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.320 to navigate because of the men in their lives, and 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.400 how she thought she and Sarce were alike, and how 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.320 she was disappointed actually that they weren't close there as children, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.000 which I really loved that whole exchange and the argument 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.040 shakes CIRs like the fact that her sister says that 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.920 they have something in is like, oh. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.760 Yeah, this is that I don't like this. So Circe 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.640 learns that Daedalus and his son Chris are in prison. 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.960 In Daedalus and Sarce have sex, obviously, with Circe's help, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.800 he builds a mazed to trap the Minotaur, a creature 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.960 meant to frighten the citizens of Crete and keep them 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.480 under control. Now, Daedalus also gives Sarce with a beautiful 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.200 loom that she takes with her back to her island, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.720 and later Circe learns that Icris died during their escape attempt, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.000 flying too close to the sun and destroying his wings, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.120 and Daedalus dies soon after from heartbreak. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:39.480 Supposedly, yeah, one of the next people to visit her 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.240 island is Medea, her brother i e T's daughter, and 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.000 her husband Jason. Medea begs Circe for a ritual to 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.880 wash them clean of blood and crime, and they kind 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:52.360 of do this before revealing who they are, so Circe does, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.320 but she learns the story of what brought them there, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.840 that in order to protect Jason, Medea had helped him 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.600 accomplish several including stealing the Golden fleece, and as they 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:08.240 fled her very angry father, she dismembered her brother and 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.080 tossed him into the sea, knowing her father would have 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.960 to stop in his pursuit to perform the rites for. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:16.440 Her deceased brother. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.680 Searcy tries to convince Medea that Jason Is people will 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.320 not welcome her, that she will regret going with them, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.920 that Medea should stay with her, but Medea lais and 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.200 to Circe, essentially calling her lonely and pathetic and trapped. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.360 Desperately trying to keep Medea trapped next to her. She 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.560 also reveals the depth of it ET's cruelty, perhaps the 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.160 only family member Sercey had a close relation to at 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:49.560 one time, telling Circe that he hates women. Medea leaves 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.120 with Jason the next day, and later Circe finds out 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.200 that an enraged Medea killed her and Jason's children after 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.920 Jason betrayed her, unwilling to let any one have them 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.560 but her, and then returned to the realm of the gods. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:14.320 Uh yeah she lived along then Yeah yeah who uh 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.960 And during all of this, by the way, Circe learned 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.320 most of this information from Hermes, whom she had an 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.920 on and off affair with for over one hundred years, 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.399 So like she would learn about Daedalus from him or 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:26.880 Medea from him. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:27.520 Uh. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.640 But he treated her like a game and she grew 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.880 to detest him before ending. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.040 Mean, she didn't really like him either, but yeah, they didn't. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.439 Seem to like each other. It was just sort of 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:39.120 a thing that. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:45.120 You're here, I'm here, okay, okay. Sure. So Circe's cut 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.639 by Media's words, and she starts to open her island 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.040 to lost sailors looking for food and rests. On one 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.560 such occasion, the captain rapes her when he finds out 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.879 she's alone on the island, and before the other men 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.280 can do likewise, she kills the captain and turns the 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.640 rest into pigs. She is so consumed with rage and vengeance, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.320 she turns any man who comes her island into a pig. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.080 Yes, so here we arrive at the big Odyssey. 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:13.640 Yes, turning them into pigs thing. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.520 So this doesn't change her turning men who visit her 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.680 island at the pigs until the arrival of Odysseus after 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.760 Circe transformed his crew into pigs. Odysseus arrives, and he 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.880 convinces her to transform his men back and allow them 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.000 to stay for several months. Listening to that without reading 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.600 the book, you might be like, but hell though, But 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.679 then they kind of like immediately hit it off and 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:42.080 had a conversation about it. So Circe and Odysseus become lovers, 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.560 and he keeps lengthening his stay longer and longer, like 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.159 maybe I'll just stay another month, maybe I'll stay in 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:46.400 the winter. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:46.800 I don't know. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.760 And this is despite the fact that Odysseus is, in 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.560 his words, happily married and the father to a son 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.240 he hasn't seen in many years, and he speaks. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.880 Fondly of them. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:03.400 Eventually, Apolo gives Circe a prophecy about Odysseus, but grudgingly 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.480 she shares it with him, and he and his men 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:10.480 return home, and just as he's leaving, ciriusly realizes she 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.800 is pregnant with his child old Row. Yeah, here's what CEUs, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.760 he thinks when she hears the stories and poems of 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.280 her meeting with Odysseus later quote, I was not surprised 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.280 by the portrait of myself the proud, which undone before 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.520 the hero's sword, kneeling and begging for mercy. Humbling women 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:29.359 seems to me a chief pastime for poets, as if 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.359 there can be no story unless we crawl and weep. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:38.439 That speaks volumes, and the experience of giving birth is tumultuous. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:43.240 Is a tumultuous one that circe undertakes alone, and when 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.680 she realizes something is preventing her child from being born, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.000 she cuts it from her stomach usual magic. She learns 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.320 that the godess Athena is determined to kill her son 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.240 Telegonus to prevent something he does in the future. Sarcey 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.840 does not back down and instead uses extremely powerful and 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.480 taxing magic toward the island so that no god or 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.560 goddess can set foot on her island. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:10.480 Right and raising Telegonis proves to be a very arduous task. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.239 He is an angry, difficult child that shapes at her 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.720 protection like he's always trying to run away and she's 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.840 always like, oh, you're staying right here by my side, never, 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.480 and he's constantly looking to the horizon for adventure. As 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.800 he grows a little older, he does he mellows out. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.920 He becomes a sweet, curious child, but there's still that 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:33.879 thirst to go to go somewhere, and Circe tells him 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.600 these really sanitized tales of his father's adventures, which he 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.399 just eats up and anything that isn't flattering, even in 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.240 the slightest bit. He corrects her, telling her his father 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:45.440 was noble and. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.800 Or heroic, he could never do anything wrong. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.480 When he's fifteen, Circe learns that, with the help of Hermes, 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:57.000 which she's not happy about it at all, Telegonis has 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.320 been constructing a boat in order to sail to the 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.280 Kingdom of the Cut to meet his father Odysseus. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:04.800 Circe tries very hard. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.159 Convince him not to, reminding him of Athena's determination to 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.640 kill him that he'll be leaving the protection of the island, 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:18.280 but despite her terror, Telegonus is determined and naive, so 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.320 she weaves spells around and protection spells, and she marches 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.280 to the darkest, coldest, deepest depths of the waters to 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.720 confront one of its deadliest creatures, challenging it for its 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.600 goddess killing tail. It offers to give it to her 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.679 if she would touch the poison and condemn herself to 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.240 a life of eternal pain. She does so, but to 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.040 her shock, the pain does not come. The creature informs 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.880 her no one has ever passed the test before, and 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.000 commands her to cut off the tail. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.919