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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Official Jets Podcast powered by Amazon Web Services.

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Speaker 1: Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen, joined by the Assistant GM of

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Speaker 1: the New York Checks, Rex Hogan. Rex, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us here. Yeah, one of the one of the busiest

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Speaker 1: men in the National Football League this week since in

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Speaker 1: the New York Jets. Yeah, you know what, what about

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Speaker 1: how the processes maybe changed because it's a made for

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Speaker 1: TV event now the workout it's NFL Network televising these

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Speaker 1: guys um in prime time and for years I'd look

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Speaker 1: for you guys and at night you would be actually

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Speaker 1: doing formal interviews. I gotta imagine a lot of things

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Speaker 1: are flipped for you. It's exactly what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: been flipped early part of the week. It's pretty much

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Speaker 1: the same schedule, but just now we've changed it so that,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the prime time prime time schedule from

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Speaker 1: four pm to eleven o'clock at night on Thursday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and then Sunday it will be starting it too and

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Speaker 1: then go to a probably nine o'clock at night. So

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Speaker 1: it's just different. We're having the interviews earlier in the

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Speaker 1: morning now and on Wednesday, Thursday today it will be

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Speaker 1: much more extended with the interviews throughout, So you just

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Speaker 1: adjust to it. It's part of it. And you know

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Speaker 1: pressures put on the players too in terms of that

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Speaker 1: having how the where they've come from, in terms of

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Speaker 1: their preparation that they might have been getting up early

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Speaker 1: in the morning and now all of a sudden they've

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Speaker 1: got to start training a little bit differently and preparing

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Speaker 1: their bodies to be ready from that four o'clock to

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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock window. I remember a few years ago and

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Speaker 1: your first stint with the New York Jets. We sat

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Speaker 1: in Lucas Soil watching some of the drills and I said,

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Speaker 1: what do you try to get out of this? And

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Speaker 1: you said, what you're trying to see here is that

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Speaker 1: what they do on the field bell at dates the

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Speaker 1: tape exactly. And it's part of the process. And we

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Speaker 1: always call you each aspect of it is a certain

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Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle, and this is obviously a major

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Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle. But it's good because you can

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Speaker 1: see them, you know who the guys are kind of

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Speaker 1: rise the cream to the top in terms of each

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Speaker 1: one of the position groups from a competitive standpoint, and

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Speaker 1: you just see those guys kind of shine and when

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Speaker 1: they when they get under the lights, and it's a

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Speaker 1: whole different situation for him, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you see like guys start to separate themselves. So if

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Speaker 1: it's say a three horse race, a receiver defensive act,

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Speaker 1: the guy who's the best usually kind of shows themselves.

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Speaker 1: I was also told once that it kind of the

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Speaker 1: combine can break up the clusters. To your point, if

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Speaker 1: there's like a group of guys that have similar grades,

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Speaker 1: maybe the combine helps set the order. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you about the interviews because now that the

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Speaker 1: interviews are earlier and the bench press is going on

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Speaker 1: right now behind us, So so if you hears some

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Speaker 1: other noise, it's that, Um, is there a different feel

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Speaker 1: to the interviews being at a different time, Like, I

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Speaker 1: know the structure will remain the same, but is it

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Speaker 1: at all different that the drills and everything comes later

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Speaker 1: in the day and the first thing is the interview. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that'll be a little different for him because

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Speaker 1: in the past, on the day that they work out,

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Speaker 1: they don't have interviews in the morning. But so that'll

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of something from them to adjust to.

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Speaker 1: But they're traditionally the same, you know, aspect in terms of,

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Speaker 1: you know, what we want to find out from over

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Speaker 1: in terms of their background, what they know in terms

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Speaker 1: of football, their football intelligence, type of system they were

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Speaker 1: in their ability to communicate what they played in and

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Speaker 1: their football knowledge overall. March eighteenth, the start of free agency.

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Speaker 1: You are the assistant general manager the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: So not only are you getting ready for the draft

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Speaker 1: in late April, you guys have twenty one on restricted

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Speaker 1: free agents, a couple of our phase, and of course

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Speaker 1: you're looking elsewhere exploring contracts. How do you go about

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Speaker 1: making a board for the draft and making a board

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Speaker 1: for free agency in terms of targets is a very similar, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Just so throughout the fall we've going we do a

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Speaker 1: progress in terms of, you know, the college scouts are

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Speaker 1: the college prospects for us. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: the pro personnel department is doing the same thing. So

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Speaker 1: we've got guys tagged and alerted that everybody know, say

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Speaker 1: somebody we need to know about and so throughout the fall,

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Speaker 1: those are you know, those are taking priority in terms

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Speaker 1: well as their individual teams. So it kind of sets

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Speaker 1: We just had college scouts in for eleven days and

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Speaker 1: so they we went over to the guys who were

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Speaker 1: setting the board. But they make a long story short.

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Speaker 1: It's a delicate balance between both, you know, a good thing.

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Speaker 1: We've got a great pro staff, we've got a great

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Speaker 1: college staff, and you know, helps us make our jobs

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Speaker 1: easier in terms of building up to the selection process.

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Speaker 1: In April. I talked to Joe Douglas about it yesterday,

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Speaker 1: said that during those draft meetings UM in February prior

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Speaker 1: We do, we do. We We've got the board initially

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Speaker 1: set um just from of the scouts grades that come

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Speaker 1: as a group and collectively discuss you know, hey, what

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Speaker 1: what do you see his strengths? What do you see

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Speaker 1: this guy? What's his value for the Jets? So it's

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Speaker 1: good it helps us having a board, you know, just

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Speaker 1: What's this week been like for you coming back to

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Speaker 1: part of the Colts, So what is it like for

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Speaker 1: you to come back to this place. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: a little surreal, do you know? Flying in, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh man, I was in the transition back in June

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Speaker 1: so you know, it was like I felt like just yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So always good to connect man see, and not only

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Speaker 1: Colts and what you guys did there is you build

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Speaker 1: it from the inside out you want to and you

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Speaker 1: guys formed maybe the best offensive line and all football.

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Speaker 1: And now when you hear Joe talk says that's gonna

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Speaker 1: moving forward forever long I'm here. Yeah. Absolutely. We always

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Speaker 1: much everywhere else does it as well. It's hey, you

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Speaker 1: where we're constantly bringing in guys to push those those

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Speaker 1: you're a very busy man as the assistant GM. So, like,

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Speaker 1: where were you, Let's just say twenty years ago this

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Speaker 1: we had just finished up going in weird preparation, finishing

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Speaker 1: along the way, Uh name Jerry Age? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But Jerry really helped me with that. You know, we

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Speaker 1: I had a really good group, a lot of good guys, man,

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Speaker 1: It's a great city, great city, van it was. It

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Speaker 1: collegiately at Austin pe But what late. What led you

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