WEBVTT - The SAD Episode 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:09.200 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.920 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.800 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and it's a stuff you 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.759 should know. Hoe down to start the new year. Chuck's 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:25.279 still wearing his Novelty twenty twenty six glasses that he 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.880 got sponsored by Nivea. 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:28.479 That. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.600 I believe what you were saying was Ryan Seacrest himself 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.120 handed him to you while you were at Times Square. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.360 Right, No, not handed, he put them on my face hands. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.519 Whoa is it? Because you guys are co workers? 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.400 Yeah, he's iheartedn't he? 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.720 Yeah? But I think like half of the US is 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:48.720 a coworker of his, got so many jobs. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.720 Yeah, you're probably right. Well, if you haven't guessed listening, audience, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.320 this is our first recording of the new year. Yes, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:03.080 I'm probably gonna be a little rusty. And can I 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.160 just give a quick shout out to a couple of things? 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:07.080 Yeah? 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.160 Please too, great as well. Josh knows all this stuff 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.440 because we communicate outside of work, believe it or not, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.400 because we're fans. But I went to you know, New 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.720 York City, Emily and I do our little Broadway weekend 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.959 in New York over Christmas every year and this year, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.720 I just want to say thanks to a couple of people, 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:31.600 most notably Natasha Hodgson of Operation Mincemeat fame, because she 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.160 is in the show and put together the show and 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.760 stuff you should Know, and she's been in magazines as 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.520 people alerted as giving stuff you should Know credit as 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.880 our episode inspiring that show, and was kind enough to 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.720 give us a couple of tickets to go see it, 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.960 and it was fantastic. I highly recommend it. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.640 I know I was loath to miss it. That sucked. 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.440 I wish you could have been there, But it's you know, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:57.160 it's still playing, so maybe you can check it out. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.840 Yeah. I was especially upset when you said that she 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.640 gave you She came out in the audience in the 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.720 middle of the show and gave you like a bouquet 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:06.360 of roses. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:08.920 No, no, no, the audience. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.119 Lifted you up on their shoulders. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.639 No, that was that was That didn't happen. Also went 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.239 to Barston Trolley as I like to do before Broadway. 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.120 Barston Trolley is where I go before Broadway shows. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:22.360 Well, what is it? 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.880 It's a bar but it's it's sort of a I mean, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:27.919 you can just make reservations a week out. I think 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.800 I've mentioned this before. It's it's sort of a secret 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.600 place in that it doesn't have a sign or it's 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:37.320 not wild publicize, but you know, seven days out from 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:38.800 when you want to go, you can call them up. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.000 They specialize in getting people in and out of their 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.000 pre and post Broadway, and you know sometimes you can 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.560 see Broadway performers there on the down low. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.679 Nice. I would have no idea that one could be 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.440 sitting next to me and I wouldn't even know. 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.600 Well, you might if it's if it's a famous you know, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:02.360 like Brian Cranston was sitting there. No, but he could be. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.000 I saw years ago, I saw Dexter in there. What's 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.399 his name? 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:07.560 Dexter's good enough. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.480 Yeah. This year I saw the lady from Lost. Although 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.320 I don't think she's on Broadway, she was in there. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.119 But all this to say big thanks to Jason who 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.080 helps take care of Barton Trolley and Joe's on Broadway. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.639 He came over on his night off just to say 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.079 hi and was just a total sweetheart of a guy. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:25.360 What a trip. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.560 And then finally I want to thank Santa Santa Claus 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.120 in the Radio City Music Hall Show. I surprised Emily 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:35.880 by going to the Christmas show this year for the 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:36.360 first time. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.440 Oh yeah, I remember Santa rode In. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.040 Santa rode In and although he was not in the 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:45.600 performance we went to. Santa Adam was very kindness in 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.040 a Christmas video to Ruby. Have you been to the show? 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.560 No, I'm just some bumpkin who stays at home all 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.920 the time. Apparently, dude, you and you me. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.160 Have to go to the Radio City Music or Christmas Spectacular. 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.040 It is one of the delights of my life. The 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.600 Rockets was one of the most impressive, most amazing live 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.720 shows of any kind of ever seen. They were incredible. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.480 Wow, okay, I'll go yeah, and it's. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.240 You know you love you guys, love your Christmas cheer 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.719 and it really you can't. Even the biggest grinchy curmudgeon 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.440 wouldn't help but get in the mood, even at the 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.560 ten am show. But the Rockets were amazing and Santa 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.120 said that he turned them onto our listener mail and 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.640 the Rockets episode and some of the now current Rockets 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.919 are listening. Oh cool, So shout out to you Rockets. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:37.760 Keep on kicking. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.440 Hello, Rockettes. We did a whole show on the rockets, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.159 didn't we did? Yeah, all right, that was amazing. Chuck. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.839 You you were sick over the holidays, Yeah. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:53.640 It really stunk. I got this cold that apparently there's 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.160 like a two week cold going around. Oh no, that 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.080 light and it was just like every day I would 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.200 add a new symptom, and it was I could do 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.880 stuff during the day, but I was just sick the 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.599 whole time and it was so sorry. It was rough. Yeah, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.880 some thanks for that, I appreciate it. But we still 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:11.320 had a great Christmas. Well, Momo knows how to open presents, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.799 so she opened presents on Christmas mornings. She was so happy. 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:19.200 Paul teeth quite a both. Okay, yeah, she's a pro. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.599 She knows what she's doing. She got some new rabbit treats, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.839 so she laid on her back and rolled on those 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.599 and she had a great Christmas morning. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:26.480 So that's wonderful. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.320 It was a good Christmas. After all. We hung out 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:31.560 with friends on Christmas Eve, and our friends Laurel and 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:36.240 Braden and their kids, Elliott and Bear, so we got 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.320 to hang out with Yeah you do, you've met them 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.520 twenty times. So we got to hang out with little kids. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.760 On Christmas even, man, that will put you in the 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.440 Christmas spirit when you don't have kids of your own. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:47.520 Yeah. How old are those kids? 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.920 They're like eight and six, I think, so that's fine 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:51.640 prime age. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:52.760 Yeah, right in the zone. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.800 Yeah. So thank you though for your sympathy over my sicknesses. 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:57.960 Yeah, I felt bad. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.279 One thing I don't have, chuck, which I'm really happy 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.400 I don't have, because it's awful, is sad. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:07.200 No sads for you. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.560 I don't have sad. Do you have sad? 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.440 No, I don't have sad. You know, we're talking about 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.680 seasonal effective disorder, and just right off the bat, we 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.320 should point out, because I was about to say occasionally 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.520 I get the winter blues, that this is not that 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:26.600 this is a real it's legitimate depression and comorbid with 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.040 stuff like bipolar disorder, and we're going to talk all 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.680 about it. But it's not just you know, oh I 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.720 get a little blue in the winter sometimes when it's 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:34.920 you know, gloomy. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.120 No, but it's tied to that. Yes, it's just it 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.920 seems to be an extreme version of that. But you're right, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.960 it's not. It's nothing light, it's classified. I believe in 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.520 the DSM is a major depressive disorder. Yeah, with a 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.520 seasonal pattern. I think that's the clinical name for seasonal 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:58.360 effective disorder. And there are people out there, I think 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:03.400 something like five percent of people. I don't I believe 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.080 that's an American statistic. Yeah, that's America get the like 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.520 real deal seasonal effective disorder where they have major depressive 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:17.160 symptoms during the winter months. But something like ten percent 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.360 or maybe even higher than that. In the United States, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:25.200 people get what's called sub syndromeal seasonal effective disorder, so 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:27.280 where you don't have it where it could be considered 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.640 major depression. But it's definitely worse than the holiday blues. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.440 And the weird thing about this, although it's not so 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.800 weird once we explain it. It is seasonal. It's tied 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:43.120 to winter, and it seems that they figure or summer, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.840 which that one's just mind blowing to me. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:46.320 Yeah. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.640 Yeah, it seems like they have it figured out. They 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.720 have this, they have it explained. So this is one 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.320 of my favorite episodes where it's like, here's how the 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.560 human body works, here's what's messed up with this when 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.880 we're talking about this. I love episodes like that. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.480 Yeah, not a lot of mystery, big thanks to Olivia 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.600 for getting the new year off to a great start 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:07.960 with another banger. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.400 Yeah you're here. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.840 Yeah, we should say that this is something that hasn't 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.000 been officially I mean, it's obviously been around since you know, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.360 time began, because as we'll see, it's tied to seasons 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.760 and especially light and how much light you're getting. So 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.440 that's always been a thing, but it hasn't been officially 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.520 diagnosed as a thing for that long. It was in 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.960 nineteen eighty four when there was a paper by researchers 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.440 at the National Institutes of Health. A particularly guy named 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:41.600 Norman Rosenthal got together and they discussed these almost thirty 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.320 I have a feeling. One dropped out. So there were 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:48.000 twenty nine patients. Most of them had bipolar disorder, and 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.800 they all had what we now know is as sad. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.520 Yeah, that thirtieth one when they like one weekend, they're 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.240 like how do you feel? And they're like fine, and 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.480 they're like you're cut, you can go here. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:01.559 Yeah. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.240 So yeah, bipolar disorders, we'll see, like really kind of 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:09.720 ties into this. It seems to be like also seasonal 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.800 in some weird way too. But pretty quickly after that 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.280 nineteen eighty four paper, the DSM went all in three 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.440 years later, the DSM three R, as we all know 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.320 our stands for revised or rocking, that came out in 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.520 nineteen eighty seven, and it was like, now, it was 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.760 a diagnosis, but it was used as a modifier as 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.760 we saw a major depressive disorder with a seasonal pattern. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.920 So it wasn't its own thing. It was just a 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:42.000 subtype essentially of an existing depressive disorder. That's kind of 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.000 how they first had it. 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:48.800 Yeah, and you know, because it's seasonal, the most common 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.839 kind of sad that we think about, Like we mentioned, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.120 it is very serious thing, and it starts off in 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.120 the fall, maybe early winter, and it kind of depends 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.760 on where you are is we'll see, although not all intuitively, 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.000 there's a third act reveal that might surprise some people. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.280 It generally subsides in the spring. But I did mention 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.120 that that odd spring and summer variety that hasn't been 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.040 studied much. It's very very limited. About point five percent 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.920 of the population has this opposite pattern. But it is 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.920 a diagnosable mood disruption. It just happens in the spring 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.800 and summer, and it's tied more to sort of like 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.679 oppressive heat, and maybe unsurprisingly, some of the things they 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.679 recommend for that, which again we're going to cover a 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.320 little more later, is stuff like maybe stay inside, dim 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:37.720 the lights, that kind of thing. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.720 Yeah, And the thing that gets me about the summer 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.480 version that much rareer one is that the symptoms are 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:49.160 almost in some cases opposite the symptoms of winter. So 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:54.280 usually when you first start getting SAD, it's around young 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.760 adulthood ages eighteen to thirty, I think, And most people 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.160 who get it get it most years, but you don't 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.959 necessarily have it every year. Women are four times likelier 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.400 than men to have it, And if you have an 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:13.000 existing mood disorder, you're much likelier to suffer from seasonal 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.480 effective disorder because it's almost like it takes your existing 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.679 mood disorder, say bipolar two, and just builds on it. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:25.320 There's an extra like environmental punch to it that really 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.920 kind of kicks it into high gear. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.440 Yeah, and that four times more common in women's that's 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.000 really substantial, And we'll get into that. It seems to 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.200 be tied to estrogen, but we'll dig into that a 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.439 little bit more in a bit. But having family members, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.440 they think there's some genetic component to it. If you 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.640 have relatives that have depression or any kind of mental 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.360 health disorder, it's you know, obviously it doesn't mean you will, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.040 but that could mean you might. I guess that's the 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:54.880 way doctors say it. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:57.920 Yeah, you might got it. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.480 And not surprisingly, you're more likely to develop SAD if 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.200 you live in places in the far you know, away 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.240 from the equator, far north or south, where there's gonna 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.040 be less sunlight, or maybe you know, in places like 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.840 Seattle where there's just more gray days than others. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.520 Yeah, I was surprised I couldn't find the other eight, 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:19.640 the first eight, but Seattle was the ninth most affected 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.440 city with seasonal effective disorder. I would have thought it'd 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.160 be higher than that. I could not find the first eight, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.120 So I'm like, does this list really exist or was 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.200 this just like a post intelligence or made up article? 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.439 And do they do they tie in things like or 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:40.160 do they list things like Tacoma, like neighboring neighboring towns? 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.480 Does that count as a different place? 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.319 I wonder that's a great question. What about Tacoma? 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.240 Well, I just wondered, Tacoma's very lovely, but maybe Seattle 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.120 might be a little more lively. Yeah, no, I could 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:52.680 get in trouble. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.439 No, No, everybody knows about Tacoma. Okay, okay, it's been 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.760 a long time since we picked down a particular city. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.880 Oh, I don't want to put to coma owner sites. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.199 Okay, we won't because. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.800 You know, you can't spell. You can't spell seat tack 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:06.360 without tack. 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:14.079 That's right. So what happens when you experience sad seasonal 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.600 effective disorder? I mean most people can kind of come 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.280 up with this idea of like what depression symptoms seem like, 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.520 but there's specific ones that emerge with seasonal effective disorder. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.800 Yeah, I think you know generally what you will see 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:34.280 like with most depression listlessness obviously, sadness, interest and activities 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.760 that you might normally like you don't like as much. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.800 You may have a hard time concentrating suicidal thoughts if 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:46.040 it gets really bad, hopelessness, maybe guilt sometimes, and then 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.880 some physical symptoms like just a weight like in your 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.600 limbs sometimes. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.960 Yeah, like a lethargy, a fatigue and those. Yeah, that's 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.560 kind of common among depression in general. But winter sad 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:01.840 has some extra symptoms like over sleeping or just sleeping 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.840 too much or more than you normally would craving carbs, 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:12.600 overeating weight gain, and then that fatigue, the low energy 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.000 and tiredness and all of those things too create like 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.040 a feedback loop where you know, if you're depressed and 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.800 you start gaining weight and that kind of thing bothers you, 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.800 you're going to be even more depressed because you just 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.320 started gaining weight, in which case, if you're an emotional eater, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.760 you might go eat more carbs and gain more weight 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.520 and there, you know, it just kind of goes on. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.560 So that's one of the difficult things about it is 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.600 it's not just like I'm depressed. It's I'm depressed and 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.840 now everything is set up because of this winter season 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.760 for me to just keep getting more and more depressed 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.400 while winter's going on. 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.160 Yeah, and if you're sitting there thinking like, oh, man, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.680 like in the wintertime, I tend to sleep later, and 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.920 I tend to eat and maybe drink a little more 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.600 and gain some weight and I'm a little more tired. 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.480 Those are also That's why sad is such a sort 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.720 of a unique thing, because that also just describes a 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.480 lot of people in the winter. But there is a difference, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.440 and you know we're gonna be pointing out those differences. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.280 You mentioned summer was unusual because the summer sads because 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.720 it's very much opposite. And that goes for the symptoms 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.760 as well, because instead of sleeping in, you might have 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.920 trouble sleeping, instead of eating too much, you might have 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.560 a low appetite, you might lose weight, you might be 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.880 anxious and agitated and irritable. Headaches is another one for 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:34.640 summer sad. 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.120 Yeah, it's like winter said you go inward and are 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.880 kind of closed off, and with summer said, you go outward, 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.480 but it's not in any like. That doesn't mean you're 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.720 just more sociable. It means like you're more agro potentially 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.200 than you would be with like winter sad. So yeah, 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.120 it is they're just kind of opposite, and yet they 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.000 tie into, like you were saying, how people already are 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.960 like you go out more in the summertime, you stay 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.120 in more in the winter time. So what seems to 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.240 be the case with seasonal effective disorder is that it 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:16.880 is a hyper or hypo version of a normal human 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:21.360 biological imperative that we have learned as a society to 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.040 try to ignore, and for some people ignoring it is 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:30.120 not really an option because it's so pronounced. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:36.040 Yeah, and escapable. Yeah. So there are basically four things. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.320 And like I said, if you feel like, oh man, 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.920 I kind of feel those things in the winter too, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:43.360 listen to these four things because this is when you 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.400 should see a medical professional as if one. If these 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.600 feelings persist for days and days in a row, it's 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.360 not like I just had a couple of rough days 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.520 when it was like really rainy and cold. If you're sleeping, 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.240 appetite patterns like really change is the second one if 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.240 you're coping with drugs and alcohol, that's a big red flag. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.199 And then the fourth one if you feel hopeless or 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.480 suicidal for sure, And I think as far as diagnosis goes, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.719 you have to I think it has to be for 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.199 at least two years in a row. Even though you 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.719 did say you don't necessarily have it all years, you 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.600 at least have to have it two years in a 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:21.600 row at some point. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.560 Yeah, And because it is essentially if you look at 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.920 the winter sad in summer sad, they're basically two ends 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.760 of a spectrum mania and depression. Like people with bipolar 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.040 two are definitely more susceptible to sad and they might 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.359 experience both types of seasonal although again just statistically speaking, 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.159 they're much more likely to just experience the winter sad. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.560 Yeah, for sure. And if you do see a professional, 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.399 they're probably gonna ask you a lot of questions. You 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.399 might even fill out an official questionnaire. There's no like 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.159 blood test or brain scan or anything like like you know, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.199 other types of Russian that's the case as well, but 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.120 you might get they might rule things out. They might 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.160 do like a thyroid screening or you know, some other 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.720 things just to make sure it's not something like physical 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:10.080 going on. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:15.760 Right, So that's sad everybody, And I think we should 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.280 talk about where this whole thing comes from. They think, 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.879 after a break, chuck our first break of twenty twenty six, 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:24.480 let's make it a big one. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.560 You still got it, You still got it? 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:27.320 All right? 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:34.840 Lately I've been learning some stop about insomnia or aluminia. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:39.359 How about the one on border like disorder that or 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.400 yer order that one before? 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:48.760 But it was so nice hoarded why except everybody listen, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.080 stop shot. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.400 Stop stop stop. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:16.479 All right, So kind of like we were talking, it's 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.840 it's kind of hard to diagnose this. Uh as far 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.480 as when you should go to a doctor, because a 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.040 lot of people are just like this in the winter, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.959 and you're also sort of fighting. I think you kind 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:33.200 of hinted at it like a natural human intuition in 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.119 a lot of ways, because if you go back in 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.159 time to the time where Tuck Tuck was roaming the 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.360 earth in the winter, they slowed down and they conserved 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.680 energy because food wasn't around and it was cold, so 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.240 they they bunkered down. And there are some interesting theories 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:49.840 around that, right. 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.879 Yeah. They think it's possible that Neanderthals had like a 0:19:54.080 --> 0:20:00.359 real type of hibernation period in the winter now, you know, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.120 like a bear necessarily, but something more pronounced than humans, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:10.480 and that interbreeding with Neanderthals may have produced seasonal effective 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:11.639 disorder in some people. 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.480 Yea's pretty cool when Homo sapiens started hugging and kissing Neanderthals. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:20.120 That's right. Like in what was it? Quest for Fire? 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:26.320 Oh man, there was some real realizations in that movie. 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.920 It was a I mean, what an interesting movie though, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.080 you know. Yeah, Ron Pearlman, Yeah he really, he's a 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:34.720 good cave man. 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.200 By the way, did a minute ago did I say 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.320 bunker down? M I meant to say hunker down? Is 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:42.399 bunker down even a thing. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.440 I feel like it should be more than hunkered down. 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.359 It makes more sense. Okay, I didn't even know I 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:51.560 heard you and made like I grasped that you said 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.359 bunker down, right, But it's so natural that it didn't 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:55.160 even seem wrong. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.119 Yeah. And our Georgia bulldogs at what they say for 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.680 them is hunker down, you harried dogs. I'm gonna start 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.280 saying bunker down, and everyone's just gonna make them like 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.240 a Cia plant or something. 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.639 Right, a narc Yeah. Oh, I can't talk about the 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.119 dogs right now, I know. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:11.960 Very disappointing. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:16.920 What a heartbreaker. Yeah, okay, so you said something like that. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:22.719 People back in Tuktok's age definitely slow down in the wintertime, right, 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.639 Your body just changes, And that's still the case with humans. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.199 We have not evolved out of that. And there's been studies. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.639 There was a twenty fifteen study that found that the 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.880 simone in Bolivia and the San people in Namibia, who 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.240 are in no way, shape or form related ones in 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:44.520 South America ones in Africa, they both sleep longer in 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:49.280