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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: Frank Figlusey. His book is called Long Haul. Will tell

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Speaker 2: you where you can get it in a moment, Frank,

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Speaker 2: you highlight on the FBI's Highway Serial Killings initiative. What

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Speaker 2: caused them to start it?

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Speaker 3: A great question. I go into the birth of the

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Speaker 3: initiative deeply in the book. As is often the case, George,

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Speaker 3: the FBI responds to a need. They don't necessarily have

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Speaker 3: that great original idea, but rather sometimes they need to

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Speaker 3: get slapped about the head and shoulders and dragged to

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Speaker 3: the law enforcement problem before they've realized they can support it.

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Speaker 3: In this case, it was Oklahoma. It was a female

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Speaker 3: crime analyst back in late nineties, late nineties, and she

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Speaker 3: starts realizing that she's got bodies piling up, young women

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Speaker 3: from Oklahoma, their bodies turning up in other states. And

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Speaker 3: there's two, and there's three, and there's four, and in

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Speaker 3: a manner of months, she's got ten, as she calls them,

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Speaker 3: her girls, women from Oklahoma turning up dead in other states,

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Speaker 3: and they are linked to sex trafficking, and she pounds

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Speaker 3: her fist on the table. This is years ago now,

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Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily the case in many law enforcement

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Speaker 3: agencies that the woman crime analyst was given a lot

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Speaker 3: of credence and she's pounding her fists on the desk

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Speaker 3: and she's saying, we've got a problem. It's truckers, it's

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Speaker 3: sex trafficking, it's dead bodies. And finally she was allowed

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Speaker 3: to have a meeting. She put out a teletype to

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Speaker 3: law enforcement agencies and homicide detectives across the country, thinking,

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Speaker 3: if I have a meeting, maybe we'll get I don't

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Speaker 3: know ten twelve detectives showing up. Well, it was in

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Speaker 3: the dozens. They showed up and said we have cases

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Speaker 3: like this too. Invited the FBI and she said you

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Speaker 3: have to see this meeting. You have to see these cases.

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Speaker 3: And they showed up and they said, you're right. This

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Speaker 3: absolutely qualifies as serial killings and you can count us in.

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Speaker 3: And that was the birth of the FBI's Highway Serial

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Speaker 3: Killings Initiative. It was never publicly acknowledged until two thousand

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Speaker 3: and nine when they needed the public help. There were

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Speaker 3: too many killings and too many unsolved killings to not

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Speaker 3: enlist the help of the public.

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Speaker 2: Where were the bodies found? Generally Frank.

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Speaker 3: So, in order to qualify for the HSK initiative at

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Speaker 3: the FBI, you've got to meet a couple of standards.

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Speaker 3: One is, you've got a female victim that's been taken

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Speaker 3: or last seen from or close proximity to an interstate highway.

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Speaker 3: And then the dump site has to be the same

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Speaker 3: close proximity to an interstate highway. If you have those

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Speaker 3: three things email victim last seen alive at or near

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Speaker 3: an interstate highway, and dumped at or near an interstate highway,

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Speaker 3: you've qualified for the initiative. That's and that's where these

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Speaker 3: bodies are being found. And then you know, I get

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Speaker 3: deep in the book George into what's called victimology and

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Speaker 3: then all of the study of the crime scene. So

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Speaker 3: was the body near water, was she partially clothed or nude?

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Speaker 3: Was she a shot and or strangled? Was she ripped

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Speaker 3: before before death or after death? All all of this

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Speaker 3: goes into connecting the dots within the FBI's database.

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Speaker 2: You had one story of a police officer who found

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Speaker 2: a woman in a cab shackled in there with fishhooks.

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Speaker 3: This is the case of Robert Van Rhodes and a

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Speaker 3: state trooper in Casa Grande off It ten between Phoenix

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Speaker 3: literally shackled, naked except for buzzy bathroom slippers, and she

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Speaker 3: of Robert Ben Rhodes, who is good for at least

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Speaker 3: fifty five zero murders, including fourteen year old Regina Walters,

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Speaker 3: who he took as a hitchhiker outside of Houston, tortured

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Speaker 3: her for weeks and raped her in times and places

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Speaker 3: in Illinois. In fact, Regina Walter's photograph, which is the

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Speaker 3: last photo of her taken alive by Rhodes, is perhaps

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Speaker 3: the most ghastly photo I have ever seen. I've seen

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Speaker 3: a lot in twenty five years in the FBI. Blood, guts, gore,

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Speaker 3: that's not what this photo is about. She's fully clothed

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Speaker 3: He cut her hair short and she is pleading for

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Speaker 2: He even taunted her father, didn't he.

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Speaker 3: He had the audacity to anonymously call Regina's father and say,

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Speaker 3: I made some changes. I cut her hair. And in fact,

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Speaker 3: you can see in this photo that he did do that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the crime scene produced, as is usually

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Speaker 3: at Regina's dump site, which was that her pubic hair

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Speaker 3: had been shaven after death.

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Speaker 2: After death, when the police officer on the other case

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Speaker 2: spotted the woman in the cab, Where was Rhodes? How

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Speaker 2: did they find him?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: Roads, Roads has finally been caught. He had a traveling

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Speaker 3: torture chamber that he had rigged up in his truck

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Speaker 3: and he was imprisoned. He will die in prison, and

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Speaker 3: he is not cooperative with law enforcement at all. But

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Speaker 3: they eventually caught up with him because he had committed

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Speaker 3: so many crimes that they began to find fingerprints DNA

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Speaker 2: Was a movie called The Vanishing with I believe it

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Speaker 2: was key for Sutherland.

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Speaker 3: You remember that one I do remember, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: About a sicker long haul truck driver who abducted his

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Speaker 2: wife at a convenience store. So these guys are all

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Speaker 3: Well, it's you know, again, it's a shame because again

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Speaker 3: we're talking about a tiny fraction of long haul truckers

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Speaker 3: that are doing this. But if I get deep into

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Speaker 3: the three subcultures in my book Long Haul Trucking, Sex, trafficking,

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Speaker 3: victims and crime Analysts, I learn a whole lot about

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Speaker 3: the unhealthy nature of trucking, and I actually offer some

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Speaker 3: some changes to be made near the end of the

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Speaker 3: book at all three of these areas. But the sedentary lifestyle,

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Speaker 3: the healthy diet. Even in my short time on the road,

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Speaker 3: you have to work very hard to eat healthy, and

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Speaker 3: you're unlikely to get that. At the truck stop convenience store,

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Speaker 3: we did a lot of cooking in the cab. By

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Speaker 3: the way, the trucker I rode with actually was a

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Speaker 3: graduate of the Culinary Institute of America, and we had

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Speaker 2: Do they live in the trucks? Basically? Don't they?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's your home. I slept in the

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm an older guy, so the bladder

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Speaker 4: Time is everything to a trucker, as they know.

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Speaker 3: But I learned a lot. I mean the business side

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Speaker 3: of things, things like the discounts that trucking companies get

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Speaker 3: relationship between truckers and Walmart, and the parking spaces and

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Speaker 3: the trucker app that tells you that you've got spots

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Speaker 3: can sleep for the night in, and the free showers

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Speaker 3: and then what it takes to gas up, and the

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Speaker 3: watching that gauge on the on the tank going. All

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Speaker 3: of this is in the book. If you're if you're saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not really into the serial killing thing,

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Speaker 3: but I've always wondered what goes on on the highway

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Speaker 3: for you as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, is there a similar profile among these serial killers?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, here's the thing. So the analysts confirmed

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Speaker 3: that there's two kinds of serial killers, and this does

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Speaker 3: serial killer. But the two kinds are generally this. First,

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Speaker 3: he is going to take longer to kill and that

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Speaker 3: you know, we talked about Robert ben Rhoades grabbing Regina

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Speaker 3: how this goes. He's a control killer. So they are

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Speaker 3: going to have sex with the victim. There's going to

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Speaker 3: be abuse and torture. The second kind of serial killer

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Speaker 3: is all about the killing. Sex is not a part

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Speaker 3: of this or a primary reason, they will kill quickly,

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Speaker 3: and for law enforcement that means you've got to move fast.

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Speaker 2: Ticking generally, Frank, the victims are who hitchhikers.

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Speaker 3: The victims in the vast majority of these cases, George,

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Speaker 3: are sex trafficking victims. They are being trafficked to truckers.

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Speaker 3: And during my research, I spoke to women who had

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Speaker 3: survived violent encounters with truckers. They had fallen into the

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Speaker 3: trafficking trap. And just as there's commonalities that we're talking

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Speaker 3: about kinds of serial killers, there are kinds of sex

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Speaker 3: trafficking and kinds of victims. There's pimp controlled sex trafficking victims.

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Speaker 3: There's victims called outlaws and victims called renegades. I get

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Speaker 3: deep into that those two don't work.

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Speaker 2: But the are they initially doing this though, because they

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Speaker 3: So this varies. But there's a checklist that the experts

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Speaker 3: have established in terms of street level trafficking, George, And

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Speaker 3: even as I interviewed some victims, in my head, now

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Speaker 3: that checklist of commonalities, because as different as these women were,

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Speaker 3: they were the same and here's some of the commonalities.

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Speaker 3: Early trauma at an early age, often unwanted sexual touching

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Speaker 3: escalating quickly, often through an older sibling or older boyfriends series.

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Speaker 3: And then once they switch to heavy drug use, the

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Speaker 3: the next fix and the rationalization of courses. Look, I'm

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Speaker 3: And I'm here to tell you if you're thinking your

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Speaker 3: listeners are thinking, Look, no young lady in my family,

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Speaker 3: I'm here to tell you. I interviewed women, white girls

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Speaker 3: One woman I interviewed was a preacher's daughter. If you

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Speaker 3: think it can't happen to your young person, I would urge.

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Speaker 1: You to think again.

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Speaker 2: Generally, then how does the truck driver find.

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Speaker 3: Them so today, so years ago? And your trucker listeners

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Speaker 3: The women would apply their trade, and their pimp would

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Speaker 3: take them to the truck stop lot and they would

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Speaker 3: work their trade there and the advertising would start on

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Speaker 3: the CD radio. This is years ago now, and they

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Speaker 3: tonight that was sex for money. The truckers would say,

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Speaker 3: I'm at this stop, I'm in the red house. The

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Speaker 3: want to discourage this necessarily, We're not going to get

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Speaker 3: involved in this. That was years ago. The game has

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Speaker 3: I was on the road because I deliberately looked for it.

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Speaker 3: And you'll see ads by women or by their pimps

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Speaker 4: I'll come to you.

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Speaker 3: And this now happens. The transaction has agreed upon online

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Speaker 3: I think the girl is in even greater danger.

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Speaker 2: Are they aware of the serial killer truckers?

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Speaker 3: So the good news is that the law enforcement and

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Speaker 3: social services organizations make a great effort to reach out

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Speaker 3: picture of a truck or.

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Speaker 1: What the guy might look like. That's been going.

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Speaker 3: On for a few years now, and that meets with

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Speaker 3: some great success. You'll get some great intelligence from these girls.

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Speaker 3: But here's the problem. That drug use factor, on top

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Speaker 3: of mental illness, which if they didn't have when they started,

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Speaker 3: they sure have after doing this for a while, fear

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Speaker 3: of their pimp. All of these factors in to the

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Speaker 3: point where their judgment goes out the windows. So yes,

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Speaker 3: and they're clean and sober, do they know they're risking

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Speaker 3: their lives? Yes, when they're looking for that next fix

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Speaker 3: and they're high on heroin or meth when they're doing

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Speaker 3: the transaction, are they able to think of that safety

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Speaker 4: No.

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