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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly taking over here in the captain's

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Speaker 1: chair for Jerry Dulac. I'm here with well Matt Williamson, and.

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Speaker 2: You get the mystery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the mister, I've now reached that age

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Speaker 3: that you go to. Well, listen, it already gets bad

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Speaker 3: enough when like the kids that are coming out like

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Speaker 3: now were actually born, you know, around the time that

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Speaker 3: I was drafted. So I realize I am now in that,

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Speaker 3: mister category.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in that. You're in that qu sity.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at two thousand and four birth dates and

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Speaker 3: I'm just throwing up inside.

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Speaker 1: And we're also joined now as we are every year

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Speaker 1: here at the Scouting Combine by Greg Cosell, the executive

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Speaker 1: producer and analyst of the NFL Matchup, And you've seen him.

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Speaker 1: He does great work on that. And of course, uh

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Speaker 1: just fantastic stuff with with Greg every year on the draft,

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Speaker 1: on breaking down teams and what's what's happening in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: And Greg, we would love to have you here this draft.

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Speaker 4: Well, before we get into that, I just want to

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Speaker 4: say that to me, this is mister Max Starts. You know, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's mister Max Starts.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So everything that that that you see in terms of

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Speaker 1: this draft is that it's not top heavy at all.

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Speaker 1: It's not the blue chippers in this draft aren't necessarily

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Speaker 1: blue chippers in every year, but that there's some depth

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Speaker 1: there beyond that, maybe the.

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Speaker 5: First ten to twelve players. Is that what you're saying here, Greg.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny because that's what I read,

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Speaker 4: and I've started, you know, doing my draft work. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: I can't start till kind of mid January, so you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm just sort of grinding through, and I kind of

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Speaker 4: I'm very random in how I go about it. Like

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Speaker 4: I can't watch eight running backs in a row because

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Speaker 4: they all start to look the same, you know. So

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Speaker 4: I'm all over the place. But you know, I hear that,

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Speaker 4: and I I think we have to wait and see

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Speaker 4: on that. And that's easy to say because obviously when

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Speaker 4: we have access to the results, you know, we all

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Speaker 4: sound smarter. But I think there's gonna be players that

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Speaker 4: are taken in the top six or seven that are

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Speaker 4: gonna end up being really good players. Now, maybe they're

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Speaker 4: not thought of that way right now. But I think

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Speaker 4: they're going to be really good players because one thing

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Speaker 4: I've really learned, and it's why at times I've gotten

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Speaker 4: some guys wrong, and we all get guys wrong, and

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Speaker 4: when I do, I admit that I get guys wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 4: Happens yeah to me when I watch a guy, And

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Speaker 4: I know Max would probably really appreciate this, having.

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Speaker 2: Played in the league.

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Speaker 4: You know, when a guy's twenty one, sometimes he develops,

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Speaker 4: and a twenty four to twenty five he's a different player,

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Speaker 4: you know, just because of coaching, development, mature, whatever the

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Speaker 4: reason may be. And no one comes into the NFL

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Speaker 4: as a finished product. And I think we have to

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Speaker 4: be careful about deciding that a twenty year old or

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Speaker 4: a twenty one year old is exact. Some guys are

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Speaker 4: what they are, some guys aren't. That's the hard part

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Speaker 4: of scouting, right No matter what the analytics and sabermetrics

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Speaker 4: and all these metrics say, it's still human beings evaluating

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Speaker 4: human beings. And boy is it hard sometimes to decide

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Speaker 4: when you watch a twenty or twenty one year old

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Speaker 4: twenty five, he may not be you know.

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Speaker 3: Well, And I think also coaching matters like a lot

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Speaker 3: go to develop. Yes, is it a developmental system because

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Speaker 3: I mean you look at like Philadelphia, right, you look

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Speaker 3: no question. He takes those guys and then they become

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Speaker 3: You're like, holy crap, where did this guy cover?

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Speaker 2: Like Jordan Mylatta never never.

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Speaker 3: Played football and had a human He couldn't even find

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Speaker 3: and and he was really really good this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you know you're right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So coaching does matter. And like you said, the age

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Speaker 3: to matter. So the development of a guy, I completely agree.

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Speaker 3: I think we argue over the polished nature of a

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Polished he is versus how good he can be, right,

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Speaker 3: And that's what some people get enamored with.

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Speaker 2: And that's how you miss in the draft.

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Speaker 6: Greg Change gears on you. The elephant in the room

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Speaker 6: with the Steelers is a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they got right now there's zero people under contract.

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Speaker 6: If it were to come that would be a problem.

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Speaker 2: That's a problem.

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Speaker 6: If you were to make an argument foreign against fields

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Speaker 6: in Wilson, where would you stand on those guys in

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Speaker 6: an Arthur smithy and the state of the team and

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Speaker 6: where the defense is at and running the football.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, look, I'll be the first to

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Speaker 4: admit that I thought in an Arthur Smith offense that

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Speaker 4: Justin Fields could be a productive player. Obviously they didn't

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Speaker 4: think so, or they wouldn't have made the change. I

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Speaker 4: think Russell Wilson came in and had moments, but I

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Speaker 4: don't think he's the answer.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: The thing about Wilson to me is he doesn't really

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Speaker 4: give you a consistent pass game. There's not really like

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Speaker 4: an intermediate pass game with Russell Wilson. You know, there's

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Speaker 4: no sense of, oh, he's going to drop back, hit

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Speaker 4: you know, in the sense that there's a rhythmic feel

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Speaker 4: to a pass game. Now, Fields obviously is not that

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Speaker 4: as to why they thought Fields wasn't the answer. Fields

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Speaker 4: to me has always been a little bit of an enigma.

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Speaker 4: I know he doesn't see it great, but there are

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks who have been, you know, relatively quality quarterbacks who

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Speaker 4: may not be phenomenal at progression reading and seeing the

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Speaker 4: field great. He's obviously as dynamic a runner as there

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Speaker 4: is in the league at the position. He's a big,

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Speaker 4: physical kid. I keep struggling with what why Justin Fields

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Speaker 4: can't be and again I'm not saying a top five quarterback,

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Speaker 4: but why he can't be a starter in this league?

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Speaker 4: I don't know the answer to that. He's one of

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Speaker 4: the You know, there's a couple of quarterbacks. As much

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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray's one. Trevor Lawrence is won. I just can't

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Speaker 5: Are, maybe it all falls into place or right.

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Speaker 4: Right right, So you know, I don't know, But I

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Speaker 4: don't think Russell, I mean, you guys would know better.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're gonna resign Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 6: Are they I think that's all to be determined to Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's just I mean, look, they would have somebody in

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Somebody once told me, and I guess, you know, hope

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Speaker 4: this doesn't come out wrong because somebody once said this

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Speaker 4: to me, and I realized the world in which we live,

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Speaker 4: you gotta be careful. But somebody once said to me,

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Speaker 4: when you don't have a girlfriend, they all look like

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Speaker 4: a ten, you know, and they don't have a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: So you know, so it starts to happen, is they

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Speaker 4: you got to be careful about that.

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Speaker 1: So in that vein, there's gonna be two quarterbacks, as

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Speaker 1: we know right now, drafted somewhere in the first round.

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Speaker 3: Probably yeah, minimum, I would say Minimumyah, I would say minimum.

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Speaker 5: Beyond that though, there's some guys here.

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Speaker 4: I think that well, I've seen all these guys, these

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Speaker 4: guys I can discuss.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have some traits.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck is the guy that really that we've identified

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Speaker 1: as there's some things that I don't like. He falls

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Speaker 1: off when he throws sometimes, and you know fall well,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you, I mean the arm challenge is there.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my thoughts. Okay, I've done these guys

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Speaker 1: in great detail. Okay, Sdur Sanders I watched him at

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Speaker 1: Jackson State. I watched him at Colorado for two years.

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Speaker 1: I've probably seen.

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Speaker 4: Thirty games of Shudar Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Ward.

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Speaker 4: I watched Washington State last summer, and then I watched

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Speaker 4: nine or ten games this year. I'm struggling to understand

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Speaker 4: why cam Ward isn't thought of more highly. I think

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Speaker 4: cam Ward is a high level traits prospect. I don't

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Speaker 4: understand seem particularly close to me. No, they're not close

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Speaker 4: to me. They're not close to me. Yeah, I don't,

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Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, and again we don't. The draft

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Speaker 4: should play out. But and I'm fortunate that I know

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Speaker 4: some people at Washington State who tell me this kid

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Speaker 4: that everything about Kim Ward is exactly what you want.

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Speaker 4: That's what I've heard from people who know him. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: I just sit in my office in NFL Films and

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Speaker 4: watch tape. I don't you know, I don't work for

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Speaker 4: a team, so I'm not doing that kind of due

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Speaker 4: diligence and you know, talking to the kids and all that.

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Speaker 4: But I don't understand while he's not.

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Speaker 5: Thought of higher, where are you on Shock?

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Speaker 2: I love Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 4: I thought his tape again, this is just tape. I

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Speaker 4: thought his tape was the next best of quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: this draft. And again people listening probably, oh you hate

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Speaker 4: sedor Sanders. You know, that's the world in which we live.

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Speaker 4: I really like Shuck. And by the way, six four

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Speaker 4: and seven eighth two twenty five, and you know this Max.

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Speaker 2: That's a trait.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember last year and I'm fortunate enough

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Speaker 4: to get on the field at the combine last year

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Speaker 4: introducing myself to Drake may and looking at this kid

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Speaker 4: and going, that's a big dude. That's a trait. Don't

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Speaker 2: Trait and That roethlisberger guy had.

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Speaker 4: That.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah well that's why we struggle with A Russell,

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Speaker 3: wilson we struggle with A Kyler, murray we struggle even

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Speaker 3: with A Baker mayfield in, time, right because height, plays

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Speaker 3: it plays into your. Vision how CAN i see the

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Speaker 3: defensive secondary if all of my linemen are bigger than, me,

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Speaker 3: right and and we we talked about that.

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Speaker 4: Ligneman now people view alignment at six three and a

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Speaker 4: half is. Short, YEAH i mean now you've got to

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Speaker 4: be six. Five, yeah even, guards you, know, yeah they want,

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Speaker 4: Huge they want huge.

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Speaker 3: Guys so your quarterback can't be mini mouse because now

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Speaker 3: you're worried about.

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Speaker 2: Him. Man we talked about this.

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Speaker 3: Even With, drew as great As drew, was But drew

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Speaker 3: had the anticipatory, throws, right he. Was he was special

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Speaker 3: in that special in that, regard but you have to.

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Speaker 3: Looking we talked about having to looking. Windows not everybody

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Speaker 4: Release right without. Question so you're, right that is a.

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Speaker 2: Five he'll be twenty, six is twenty, six twenty? Five,

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Speaker 5: That you got ten hours out Of, yeah, yeah we

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: JADAR i think he does a lot of things, Well,

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Speaker 4: LIKE i think he throws it, well he doesn't have

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Speaker 4: he sees the field. WELL i think he throws it

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Speaker 4: Well he's not a creator though he's he's at his,

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Speaker 4: core he's a pocket. QUARTERBACK i think he needs a

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Speaker 4: Brady every week talks about the fact that sacks are

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Speaker 4: guy gets sacked a, lot that that means he has

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Speaker 4: a bad old. Line now, Again colorado did not have

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Speaker 4: a good old. LINE i can all agree on. That

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Speaker 4: in Mind williams. Year keep in Mind Caleb williams was

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Speaker 4: sacked eighty two times in his last two years AT

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Speaker 4: usc and he led the league in sacks this. Year,

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Speaker 4: okay And sanders got sacked a. Ton and, yes are

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Speaker 4: there were there some jail breaks where he had no?

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Speaker 4: Chance yes there, were without. QUESTION i don't want people

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Speaker 4: think that he doesn't manage the pocket really really. Well

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Speaker 4: It he has a bad tendency to hold the ball

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Speaker 4: you have enough team Is he's a ball distributor and an.

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Speaker 4: the kind of quarterback that needs. TEAM i compared him

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Speaker 4: to two a little bit LIKE i had someone WHO

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Speaker 4: i respect. Greatly they say that he reminds him Of Geno,

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Speaker 4: smith And Gino smith has with a slightly better Armed

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Speaker 4: Yeah BUT i mean, that's you, know that's kind of

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Speaker 6: Is Does rour Or dart Or howard or any of

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Speaker 4: EXCITING i haven't Done rourke AND i have not been

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Speaker 4: Of indiana's. Games dart's. Intriguing he grew on. ME i

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Speaker 4: think he can be a quality starter in the. LEAGUE

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Speaker 4: Boy i've watched a lot of, him AND i don't

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Speaker 4: know WHERE i. STAND i, mean SOMETIMES i feel like

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Speaker 1: If you watched him early In Ohio. State she's he's,

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Speaker 1: like but he played well during the. Playoffs was his last?

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Speaker 4: Yeah last month was one of one of my really

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Speaker 4: good friends is A midwest, scout and he told, me you,

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Speaker 4: know he stood next to him throwing. It you, know he,

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Speaker 4: said it doesn't come out great when you're standing next to,

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Speaker 4: him you. Know AND i don't think anybody says he

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Speaker 4: has a power. Arm, sure but but there's something about the.

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Speaker 4: KID i like the way he, plays LIKE i. DON'T

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Speaker 4: i Think dart And howard are in some ways kind of.

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Speaker 4: Similar dart doesn't have a power arm, Either but you,

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Speaker 4: LIKE i don't think anybody would say they're going to

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Speaker 2: Depending on your. Team, yeah that's what's.

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Speaker 4: HARD i mean it's very you, know how many quarterbacks are.

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Speaker 4: Transcendent that's the. Thing everybody wants the quarterback who's. Transcendent

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Speaker 2: There unfortunately for The, steelers two of them are in their. Division,

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Speaker 4: You, KNOW i think you get you get into The, Mahomes,

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Speaker 4: know there's not twenty five of those. Guys you, know

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Speaker 4: there's not even, ten, correct, Right SO i, mean now

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Speaker 3: A lot of those guys you need a, team like you,

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Speaker 3: i had The baylor game and to kind of give

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Speaker 3: us a recap of that. Game shoudor looked terrible in

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Speaker 3: the first, half and it was an like you, said

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Speaker 3: there was jail. Breaks he was also doing things where

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Speaker 3: he was dropping the shoulder on the, turn losing the, defense,

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Speaker 3: right and like you, said that that loaf of bread

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Speaker 3: in the. Hand but THEN i watched that fourth quarter and, overtime,

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Speaker 3: right AND i watched that tape, exactly and the toughness

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Speaker 4: Thing he is a tough. Kid ALTHOUGH i will say,

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Speaker 4: this and he's a tough, kid so don't get me.

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Speaker 4: Wrong but but just because you get sacked a lot

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean you're. Tough, yes, sure, yeah but he is

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Speaker 4: a tough, kid there's no question about. It so SO

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Speaker 4: i MEAN i liked his. Tape it's not, like you know,

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Speaker 4: again you, KNOW i almost feel like you have to

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Speaker 4: qualify this stuff because old people think, is oh you hate.

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Speaker 4: NO i think he can be a quality. STARTER i

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Speaker 4: just don't know if his tape says top three draft,

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Speaker 2: Don't see a lot of special.

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Speaker 3: Trade, yeah BUT i think the other thing comes is

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Speaker 4: Quarterbacks that's top, right because that's a lot of teams

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Speaker 4: need quarterbacks this.

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Speaker 3: Year, yeah a lot of teams need, him so they're

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Speaker 3: just start and that's where the value goes, up because it's,

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Speaker 3: saying AM i willing to deal with the? Negatives do

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Speaker 3: it because you all of this is a, justification, right

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Speaker 3: when we come out. Here it's a justification and and.

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Speaker 2: You know how it.

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Speaker 4: Works, coaches scouts and coaches are, different and you, know

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Speaker 4: you know. This scouts are looking at, attributes, trades you,

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Speaker 4: know those kinds of. Things coaches they look at that,

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Speaker 4: too but they think scheme. Adaptability like you, know When

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Speaker 4: sean McVay is looking at, quarterback he, thinks can this

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Speaker 4: guy run my? Scheme not does he have you, know

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Speaker 4: a ten plus arm or? Not does he run the

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Speaker 4: forty and four to three? Five he's, thinking can this

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Speaker 4: guy run my? Scheme so he's smart enough to get

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Speaker 4: What i'm trying to do correct, Right so you know

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Speaker 4: that's where there's a. DISCONNECT a lot of, TIMES i

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Speaker 4: Think Shador sanders can run a scheme and and and

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Speaker 4: depending on the scheme and the people around, him can

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Speaker 4: probably run it very. Efficiently BUT i don't think he can.

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Speaker 4: RUN i don't think he's transcendent in the sense that

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Speaker 4: he lifts everybody up and he's you, know he's not

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Speaker 4: going to Be Josh Allen.

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Speaker 6: Well McVeigh and you mentioned some transcendent. Quarterbacks so just

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Speaker 6: in any. Way any worries about him on the, FIELD.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think so based you, KNOW i, Think, god

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Speaker 4: he's such a good throw with the football and he's,

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Speaker 4: smart and you, Know i've always again this could be

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Speaker 4: Quarterbacks is he gonna make a bad throw once in a, while,

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Speaker 4: Sure BUT i MEAN i think in this league you've

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Speaker 4: got to turn it, loose and he turns it, loose

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Speaker 4: and there's no change in his throwing. ABILITY i, mean

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Speaker 4: this guy can throw it. Now he's still under, Contract

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Speaker 4: so we'll see what. Happens you, KNOW i don't know

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Speaker 4: what you, know what teams will. Think he obviously at

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Speaker 4: this point in his, career he needs a real good old,

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Speaker 4: line you. Know so that's you can't you can't trade

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Speaker 4: just not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: Out it's just not gonna work. Out he's not gonna

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Speaker 1: No our guest has been That Greg coasel OF Nfl,

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Speaker 2: greg here at the.

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Speaker 1: Combine I'm Dale, lolly he, Is Matt williamson And Max

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Speaker 1: Back, guy Am Dale lolly here With Max starks And

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Speaker 1: Matt williamson at THE Nfl Scouting combine here In. Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: Happy, yeah everybody's. Happy everybody's. Great we want to Thank

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Speaker 3: crews do all of those And, Greg greg was one

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Speaker 3: of my broadcast coaches early, on and then WHEN i

435
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Speaker 3: went back for the advance WHEN i, retired he was

436
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Speaker 3: one of our five moderators that handled our five person

437
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Speaker 3: group as. Well So i've Got i've got to Know

438
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Speaker 3: greg over the. YEARS i mean know hi from now fifteen.

439
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 3: YEARS i Love greg and you know and his matchup

440
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 3: show with him And jaws and THEIR i mean it's

441
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Speaker 3: just transformational and everybody aspires to like like people do

442
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Speaker 3: in broadcasting where they want to Be John, madden Like

443
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Speaker 3: greg Co Sell's matchup. Show when you're doing studio shows

444
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 3: and you're doing game, breakdowns none.

445
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Speaker 2: Better there's the.

446
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Speaker 3: Best, yeah, YEAH i know it's, yeah, yeah still is

447
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 3: the best at what he. Does SO i Love greg

448
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Speaker 3: and he gave me some great pointers as a young

449
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,160
Speaker 3: guy coming into, this you, know media side of, things

450
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,919
Speaker 3: AND i respect him and love him.

451
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Speaker 2: Dearly So i'm sure that you learned a.

452
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Speaker 3: Ton, yes, yeah THEY i mean, essentially they put you

453
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Speaker 3: in the fire. IMMEDIATELY i mean you're you're in, there you,

454
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Speaker 3: know because when you go in and like my first,

455
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Speaker 3: broadcast like like mock game broadcast was With Gus, johnson,

456
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Speaker 3: RIGHT i MEAN i mean they put you in The Howard,

457
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Speaker 3: dinneroff who Ran westwood one for twenty five years and

458
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Speaker 3: built the broadcasting. Arm he's your producer on radio, coverage,

459
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Speaker 3: RIGHT i, mean you have all of these guys you

460
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Speaker 3: pull you pull. IN i can't think Of nick's last,

461
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Speaker 3: name but he Runs Sunday Night. FOOTBALL i mean he

462
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Speaker 3: was he was our producer for our pod.

463
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Speaker 2: Unit so you're.

464
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Speaker 3: Bringing in the best of the best to this game

465
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Speaker 3: and they are working with, you and they're critiquing you

466
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Speaker 3: just like they were critique there on on on game day.

467
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Speaker 3: Broadcasts and then for, radio you're dealing with the top

468
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Speaker 3: executives in. There so it gives you the taste of

469
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Speaker 3: what this is going to. Be Like Nick, pavados who

470
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Speaker 3: who HANDLES nfl programming Of, lotos is up, there and

471
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 3: so you see you're seeing you, Know cohen and all

472
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Speaker 3: these guys that run serious exempt they're in. There they're

473
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Speaker 3: looking for you because they want that. Talent and if

474
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Speaker 3: you can cut, it you can cut. It if you,

475
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Speaker 3: can't you, Can't and they're going to be very open

476
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Speaker 3: and honest with. You And i'm also going to decide

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Speaker 3: if you can do this or. NOT, yea if it's for,

478
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Speaker 3: you if it's for you because it's a lot of.

479
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Speaker 3: WORK i MEAN i DID i did both broadcast boot

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Speaker 3: camps AND i did the journalism camp At Bowling. Green

481
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Speaker 3: so you, know working under you know Guys Monday MORNING, qb,

482
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Speaker 3: right you, know have having to talk to guys From Sports,

483
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Speaker 3: illustrated and you know you're dealing with the top executives

484
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Speaker 3: that are going to sign you as a. Writer you

485
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Speaker 3: Know Jarrett, bell who's a good friend TO snr and

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Speaker 3: as well as to The rooney. Family you, know he's

487
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Speaker 3: one of the. Top he's been a top writer FOR

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Speaker 3: Usa today for how. LONG i, Mean Jared bell's in there,

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Speaker 3: grading grading your, column, Right so you're you're going to

490
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Speaker 3: experience all. That Peter, king you, know we had a

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Speaker 3: competition and you had to. Write you had to write

492
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Speaker 3: an actual article and and it decides if it was

493
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Speaker 3: gonna make it On Monday MORNING, quarterba like the top

494
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Speaker 3: guy got got that. Honor so, yeah, yeah but it's

495
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Speaker 3: and it's. Immersive it's just like going to get an EXECUTIVE.

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Speaker 2: Nba. Right you, know they're gonna put you in the

497
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Speaker 2: best and see if you can sink or. Swim what

498
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Speaker 2: the hell DID i go to college? For, yeah you,

499
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Speaker 2: know you, KNOW i, mean, yeah, yeah but it's.

500
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Speaker 3: AVAILABLE i had to learn to be available to active

501
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Speaker 3: and retire. Playerswice, YEAH i went. Twice SO i, mean

502
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Speaker 3: the the actual Bar cast boot camp is for all active,

503
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Speaker 3: players and then you HAVE i think three to four

504
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Speaker 3: slots for former players within that, one and then the

505
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Speaker 3: advanced is only former players and only take five every.

506
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Speaker 3: Year SO i got denied the first YEAR i applied

507
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Speaker 3: for the first year out of. RETIREMENT i made it

508
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Speaker 3: the second time BECAUSE i went AND i did based

509
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Speaker 3: off what you did as an active. Player well, no, no,

510
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Speaker 3: no not based off as an active. Player it was

511
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Speaker 3: based off of my. Work Since i'm now, retired what

512
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Speaker 3: HAVE i? Done you have to put a real together

513
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Speaker 3: and you have to submit your works that you've done so,

514
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Speaker 3: interning SO i REMEMBER i wouldn't intern like one twenty.

515
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Speaker 3: Sports and THEN i worked At fox ten out In

516
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Speaker 3: phoenix Doing cardinals post. Game and THEN i was an

517
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Speaker 3: intern for ninety eight SEVEN fm AND i got a

518
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Speaker 3: year's worth of real work done and THEN i resubmitted

519
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Speaker 3: and THEN i made it in because it showed THAT

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Speaker 3: i because they want to see your.

521
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Speaker 2: Desire one do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: This, yeah or, YEAH i Think I'M i might be

523
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Speaker 1: able to do, This so, like, no you have to

524
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Speaker 1: show you want it.

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Speaker 3: Exactly AND i, mean because not everybody's going to be you.

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Speaker 3: Know and my my comp Is Joe. Thomas when he,

527
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Speaker 3: retired he automatically went to THE nfl, network, RIGHT i,

528
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Speaker 3: mean he's A hall Of fame. Player if you don't

529
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Speaker 3: have a gold jacket and, waiting you're Not. Brady Tom

530
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Speaker 3: brady got it while he was still an Act but

531
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Speaker 3: will one hundred and seventy five million win year retire

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Speaker 3: laugh might be a little. Easier it might be a

533
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Speaker 3: little bit. Easier so they want to see the desire

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Speaker 3: to go and grind this. OUT i MEAN i had

535
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Speaker 3: to go To chicago AND i had to cut. Film you,

536
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Speaker 3: Know i'm cutting like two minute clips because one twenty

537
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Speaker 3: there thing, was you, know how COULD i give you

538
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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty second?

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Speaker 2: Increments SO i was in the.

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Speaker 3: EDITING i wasn't even in front of a camera like

541
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Speaker 3: WHEN i WHEN i, ENTERED i did everything in the.

542
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: BACKGROUND i did What tyler's doing over, here you, know

543
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: running the boards and doing all of that. Stuff and

544
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 3: then somebody got sick and they, said, hey can you

545
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Speaker 3: do the pff our top five. Lineman that's the only

546
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Speaker 3: REASON i got in front of a camera during my,

547
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 3: internship AND i was fully prepared to just be a

548
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: behind the scenes type of, guy you, know, mentally and

549
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Speaker 3: so EVENTUALLY i got the opportunity to be in this.

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Speaker 6: Position So greg mentioned, This this is something we've talked

551
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Speaker 6: about in the drive for years. Now as an offensive.

552
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Speaker 6: LINEMAN i have a feeling you're not gonna fight me

553
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 6: on this that quarterback sacks are as much a quarterback,

554
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Speaker 6: stat if not more, so than AN o line.

555
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Speaker 2: Stat, YES i agree with.

556
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Speaker 3: That and you, know one of the biggest things, is you,

557
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: know there are those jail break, moments, right no, question,

558
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: LISTEN i had one every single. Year god Blessed ben

559
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: for dealing with me on. This but corner fire the

560
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: first time we get it with a slot. Rotation nobody

561
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 3: probably understands what that. Is ben understands. That AND i

562
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: always got caught once a year every year on the

563
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: same freaking style of play to the same. Side wasn't

564
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: the same, Team OBVIOUSLY i. KNEW i learned, that MISS

565
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: i learned that. Lesson but somebody else would see that and, Say,

566
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: okay he hasn't gotten it this, year and they would

567
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 3: send it and then we would get To monday meetings

568
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: and be able to, say is that the One?

569
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Speaker 2: Max, yep that's. It got it out my.

570
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Speaker 3: System so but but there are quarter yeah. Exactly. Yeah

571
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: ben's like sitting there with an ice pack on his low.

572
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 3: Back it's, like, yeah thanks for, that especially to the blind.

573
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 3: Side BUT i, SAY i think that's been A steeler.

574
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: PROBLEM i think the line gets more heat than it

575
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: deserves this past year and this and AND i know

576
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: you guys don't hear my, broadcast but when they come

577
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: down to, ME i am, screaming usually at the top

578
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: of my. Lungs i'm, like that is not On Dan,

579
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: moore that is not On, broderick that is not On.

580
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: Isaac now there are moments when they are AND i

581
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: can tell you. Schematically you guys miss ideed the mic

582
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: and then problems. Ensued or this guy got beat off

583
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: the ball because he stepped inside worrying about taking Away.

584
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: Zach you, know Sack fraser's snaphand to protect, him and

585
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: you gave your you exposed. Yourself there's plenty of. Those

586
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: but when you're talking about after the two and a

587
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 3: half second. Mark that's when it's on the Cub and

588
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: what was one Of russ's big issues and career and

589
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 3: the other thing we talked about this kind of kind of,

590
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: sparently But russ has a tendency to drop to the

591
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 3: back shoulder and spin out of. Things most, quarterbacks like

592
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: when you Watch Pat, Mahomes pat doesn't spin out of.

593
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 3: Pressure he moves through it and he'll step up and,

594
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: in he'll step, it he'll step out and around while

595
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: keeping his vision down. Field, russ once you turn over

596
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 3: that shoulder and you spin move out of, it taking

597
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: your eyes, off and now that's on. You now whatever,

598
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: happens because now you've lost And russ has to read and, react.

599
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 6: And then his hyke becomes even more of a because

600
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 6: now he's switched his position physically right and now he

601
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 6: has to reorient.

602
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: Himself that's about a, second and that's a second you

603
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: can't have because this guy already had two and a

604
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 3: half seconds to work on this offensive. Tackle so now

605
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: you're talking at three and a half. Seconds that's on.

606
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: You and that's one of the things That oro line

607
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: got a lot of flak Four and, yes listen off

608
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: the edge That buffalo game in the, Preseason, Troy, yes

609
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 3: that was that was on the line. Project, yes that

610
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: was on you off the edge immediately and not getting

611
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 3: a hand on them bucketing your. Step but for all

612
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: intents and, purposes anytime you get over to the two

613
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: and a half second, mark that now becomes a quarterbacks.

614
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 6: Issue so next gen status tracks the stuff and it

615
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 6: probably will blow listeners. Away but exactly what you're saying

616
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 6: the average time to, pressure AND i know that's not.

617
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: Exact whenever they say, boom that's a. Pressure only The

618
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 6: chiefs and The ravens had a higher average time to. Pressure,

619
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 6: yeah so they're holding. Up, yes they're doing their.

620
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: Job you.

621
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 6: KNOW i think that's really encouraging going. Forward and people

622
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 6: don't looking this line in that. Way, yeah now they.

623
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 3: Don't and now we also have to remember this line

624
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 3: is now going to, change so last year, squad so

625
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: as you, say yesterday's price ain't today's. Price last year's

626
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: line is not gonna be this year's. Line and like we,

627
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: said we had that conversation With ramon earlier like where

628
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: do these pieces? FIT i, mean we feel good About

629
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: zach And mason where they. Stand so you, Know James

630
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: daniels but you Have, isaac now you have projerc potentially

631
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: moving to, left As omar, stated, yea he stated and

632
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: said that he's going to go to. Left so Now

633
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 3: faltano has to either be that tackle or you, know

634
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: however you're gonna you, know move it, around or you're

635
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: bringing somebody else. In however you're gonna work. It, now

636
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: that line has to now gel and they need time

637
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: now to get used to each, other because especially if

638
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: project's moving to a brand new. SIDE i, mean this

639
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: guy flashes at, it it's gonna take some time for

640
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: him And isaac to kind of get. Together But mason

641
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: And zach should pick up where they left, off and

642
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: Then faltano should then have to work with him And,

643
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: mason WHICH i don't think is gonna be a huge

644
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: issue if he's going to be at that right tackle.

645
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: Position but like you, said last year's, line just taking

646
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: the snapshot from last, year it was a good line

647
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: now better than given credit for us better than and

648
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: protections now run game a lot left to be. Desired

649
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: there was a lot of, miscommunication a lot of the

650
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: scheme stuff they didn't fit up, Properly so they're gonna

651
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: have to build on. That that's one of the THINGS

652
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 3: i will say their run blocking was the only thing

653
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: that took them away from it and put them into

654
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: more passing. Situations if they ran more, effective even less,

655
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: EXPOSURE i think they probably would have been a higher

656
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: echelon team because we weren't forced to. Throw that was

657
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: the problem that it. Was so the run game is

658
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: gonna have to come along this.

659
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: Year how much of that was having so many young

660
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: guys in the lineup your whole right side of your

661
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: line was there's.

662
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: Not a lot of start.

663
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: Younger, yes it just just not a lot of experience.

664
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: It but you can make up for it if it's simplified.

665
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: Scheme the problem was it wasn't a simplified, scheme like

666
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: there was.

667
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: A lot more counter, action you. Know and with the young,

668
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: line you want to.

669
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: Start out with a lot of easy, zone a lot

670
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: of easy man right when you start pulling, pieces you

671
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: START zmo guys and and and and X phil you're

672
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: bringing guys into the. Picture for young, guys they're not

673
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: used to seeing.

674
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: That.

675
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: Right normally in college it's either stationary short movement on

676
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: that side and back just to see if this man or.

677
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: Zone the cross formation stuff killed the young guys and

678
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: there and there and their learning, curve and that's too

679
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: much on their. Plate, yeah it's too much on their

680
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: plate and. Thin and because defenses new they were, young

681
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: they would also disguise and hold to the last, second you,

682
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: know especially if they're in. Zone you're trying to figure

683
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 3: out they're in zone or. Man but the guy runs

684
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: halfway and then, stops goes but he's in the box

685
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: right right by the time the ball is. Snapped so

686
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: now you've really screwed that. Guy in those, moments especially

687
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: when we had eighth man in the, box you're trying

688
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: to bring that slot in to come take come dig

689
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: out the backside free. Safety, right those are the issues

690
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: THAT i think really hampered. Them it should have been.

691
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: Simple it should have been we should line up and run.

692
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: It is that An Arthur smith issue or is that

693
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: A Pat meyer? Issue see all the? Above both. Issue.

694
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah pat should have advocated for what he knew was

695
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: in his. Room and that's the one thing THAT i benefited.

696
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: FROM i Had Russ grimm my first three, years And

697
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: russ the one thing THAT i will say THAT i,

698
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: loved AND i think that really allowed for me to

699
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: be in this league a long. Time Was russ taught

700
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: us to understand defensive. Schematics he hammered it, home and

701
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: he hammered home your. Assignment he didn't teach any. Technique

702
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: technique was out the. Window if you go and look

703
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: at our, footwork it was, crap you. Know but we

704
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 3: knew who to block and we knew how to. Block Think,

705
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: Yes think is, them and that was the greatest. Benefit

706
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: so then WHEN i get a larry' zero line in

707
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: my career who's all about technique and doesn't teach you

708
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: anything about defensive, schematics, right you, know Now i'm becoming more.

709
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: EFFICIENT i can marry. That and then you Get Sean,

710
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: kugler And kugler's a mix of. Both so it's LIKE

711
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: i got the great cross section and three year increments

712
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: at each level to WHERE i did finish off my

713
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: career being highly, efficient being highly. Effective and, then like you,

714
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: said then you get A Mike. Muncheck that's a tough

715
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: tough label for anybody to, follow Because mike is the.

716
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: Ultimate you're talking about A hall Of fame guy that

717
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: played all five, positions played twenty years in this. League

718
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: he is an absolutely LIKE i would say him And

719
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: Ray brown are probably the two that if you were

720
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: going to get a coach like that's along With Russ grim,

721
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: like those are transcendent level offense. Linkers AND i Think

722
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: Jeff stoutlen right, now that's another guy that's in. That

723
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: but there's not a lot of those coaches out there

724
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: that can do it and do it to that. Level

725
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: so passion regards oh, yeah, yeah you should be A

726
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: hall Of fame position, coach but they don't take the.

727
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: Position it's only the head, coaches, Right BUT i think

728
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: passion have advocated for those. Guys you, know, say, Hey, art,

729
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 3: LISTEN i know what we're trying to get a Comp

730
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: let's get the bear bones the first four or five

731
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: games of the, season and then let's start to work

732
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: that in slowly because we were still mixing and, matching,

733
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: right you, know you still Had James. Daniels Then james gets,

734
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: out and then you Throw mason in, there and.

735
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: Four guys by your first career start in the first six.

736
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: Games, yes, yeah that that's, tough, Right and SO i

737
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: think that's where we kind of lose it because we're

738
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: so worried about philosophy and so worried about. Schematics we

739
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: forget about the age and the absorption of the, offense

740
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: especially for when you're talking about two rookie guys and

741
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: a second year guy that only had half the games

742
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: of previous year but only had less than twenty starts in.

743
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: College he's still a.

744
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: Rookie like you said that whole right side center to

745
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: right guard or to right, tackle that was brand. NEW

746
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: i consider that brand new until you have seventeen to

747
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: twenty games under your. Belt you're brand new at the

748
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: offensive line. Position and you also had your second coordinator

749
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: For Roger, jones, right so that a third, COORDINATOR i

750
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: should actually, say, yeah third.

751
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: Coordinator so that play a lot Of. Georgia, no he didn't.

752
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: Play he didn't have to finish. Game so now taking

753
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: a kid into the fourth, quarter he didn't know about

754
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: tired until he got to the league because they were

755
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: blowing everybody out At georgia by twenty points.

756
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: And back like the sack Conversation, Nagia harris has done

757
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 6: some good things, Here, yes BUT i also don't think

758
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 6: vision is his strongest dreand is his best strength.

759
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: Or without a full back without, vision like he came

760
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: From alabama with this great zone.

761
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 6: Runner you, know like he wasn't built for this. System

762
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 6: he's built for. Man he's built for man counter.

763
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: And he needs a.

764
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 6: LEAD a different might make a, Difference.

765
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah a DIFFERENT a different, Style, yeah different style of

766
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: back makes a difference because WE i mean we all

767
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 3: saw it and we all talked about it night and

768
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: day When jalen was in versus When naji was In right, now,

769
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: GRANTED i Wish jalen Had nase's body or naj Had jalen's. Vision,

770
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: right you can play you can Play Frankenstein's monster all you,

771
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 3: want but it's like you need the marrying of both

772
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: of those things to run in this. System Because Derrick

773
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: henry had great, vision but Also Dereck henry had had

774
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: had a six gear that we didn't know, about, Right,

775
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: yeah the body was, there, Right so SO i think

776
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: that's where you, Know naji was a square peg in

777
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: a round. Hole he just made it, work but it

778
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: was like it was a lot of tough like slogging

779
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: it out in a lot of physicality to get there

780
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: when it.

781
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 6: Did every, yard, yeah he's always hand fighting and upper

782
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 6: body and a boxing.

783
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 3: Match, well and at the handoff, point he's not the

784
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: yard and a half closer to the line of scrimmage

785
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: to make the cut that he should have.

786
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: Been that's the other. Thing that's three Yard he was

787
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: very slow.

788
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: Off so that's why we're, like, man he's getting hit

789
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: in the backfield every time because he should have been

790
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: a yard and a half up by the time the

791
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 3: handoff came, right you know What i'm. Saying so those

792
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: are like a lot of people don't, say of, line

793
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: just let that guy Run scott. Free it's, like, no

794
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: we're into the double. Team we're waiting for that guy to.

795
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: Fire but if you're a yard and a half further,

796
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: back NOW i get on. It that guy's gonna hit

797
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: the gear because he SEES i got a little bit

798
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: of extra yardage, there and so NOW i can cross

799
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: off of. That or because he's so far, BACK i

800
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 3: can now hide on the backside and come off with

801
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: the other double. Team so now you have a garden

802
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: of tackle blocking to nobody BECAUSE i got free fired

803
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: in the backside. Hole like there's all these little things

804
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: that you, know just made for an inefficient line, group

805
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: and everybody shares a blame, pie, right you, know you

806
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: cut into equal pieces and spread it. Around BUT i

807
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 3: thought that was one of the THINGS i Wish pat

808
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: would have advocated more for An art would have understood

809
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: that a little bit. Better but that communication just wasn't

810
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: there because the previous guy didn't communicate with. Anybody so you,

811
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: know your coaching staff has one adjustment versus. Four it's

812
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 3: not Like art brought his whole staff with him and

813
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: everybody understood and they could talk. Equally doesn't happen. Overnight

814
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. Overnight Matt cannon didn't talk to. Anybody so,

815
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: therefore how DO i know to advocate BECAUSE i wasn't

816
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: allowed to advocate BECAUSE i had nobody to advocate. Too

817
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 3: so it's a growth by the coaching staff as well

818
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: as the.

819
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: Players let's get through a break that Is Max starks

820
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: breaking it all down for.

821
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: Us good stuff off. Season i'm allowed to go a

822
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: little bit.

823
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: Off He's Matt. WILLIAMSON i Am Dale. Lollie we are

824
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 1: live at THE Nfl Scouting combine here In. Indianapolis everything

825
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: will kick off. Tomorrow we'll start to see some players

826
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: rolling through here for. Interviews that'll be Nice. Thursday place

827
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: kickers place leading. Off, yeah placekickers are, first and then

828
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: d Line, yeah D, lyman let's talk about that when

829
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: we come back right after this on the drive you're

830
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: listening To Fox Sports pittsburgh And Steelers Nation, radio.

831
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: And we are.

832
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: Back I'm dale lay here With Max starks And Matt

833
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: williamson at THE Nfl Scouting combine and uh we talked

834
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: to some offensive line play there in the last. Segment

835
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: defensive line played for The. Steelers we Know Cam hayward

836
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: is much closer to the end than he is the

837
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: beginning of his.

838
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Career, yes when we Had Greg.

839
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Cosel, on he mentioned that he he Loves.

840
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 6: He said that off the, air but said people listening

841
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 6: would have liked to have heard.

842
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: It i'm Sure i've gotten a lot of people who

843
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: have said Ke benton was he is a disappointment this past.

844
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Season AND i get. It you want, more you want

845
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: you want to see five or six. Sacks AND i

846
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: AND i kept, saying you, KNOW i can remember WHEN

847
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: i used to do this stuff on TO it show

848
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: and talking with To it about.

849
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 5: It he, says you, KNOW i was this close.

850
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: To, getting you, know to getting more.

851
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: Sacks AND i was watching tape AND i would ALWAYS

852
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: i would GET i would come free and all of a,

853
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: SUDDEN i start chopping my feet instead of just running

854
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: through the.

855
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: Quarterback SO i think the fact.

856
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: That keanu is getting the pressures is going to lead

857
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: to the.

858
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 5: Sacks there's an art to. Finish there's an art to. Finish, yeah, yeah.

859
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah we call it get the get near guy and

860
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: the get there. Guys you know that's that's a wolf

861
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: AND i always talk about when we're doing our analysis

862
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: during training, camp And keanu's consistently been a get near.

863
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: Guy but the get neeers will translate to get theirs over, Time,

864
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: right you have to develop. Conteneers not, terrible is not

865
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: terrible because get near pushes you to the get there.

866
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: Guys LIKE i, said especially when It's, CAM Tj cam And.

867
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: Keanu If keanu Or alex blows off the, EDGE Tj

868
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: cam are getting are getting the benefit.

869
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: Of that there's no there.

870
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 5: Guy.

871
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah is that they're they're both getting there.

872
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: Guys and Now alex has become that get there guy

873
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: as well because of the two get theirs do get near, activities,

874
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: Right So i'm actually a lot of. Them he can

875
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: get to that, Guy BUT i think schematic fit. RIGHT

876
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 3: i don't think he's a nose, no he's a three. Technique, yeah, yeah,

877
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah SO i mean that's where that's where he's going to.

878
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: Be the get there guy is moving a position wider

879
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: in his not a one or a zero playing off

880
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: at the center in the guard because guess what those

881
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: are the phone booth.

882
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Guys they're also easier to. Find yeah.

883
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 6: Exactly i'd rather have the guy that has his skill

884
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 6: set than the pure nose and looking for the three.

885
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: Technique yeah, Right and so you, know don't waste his

886
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: availabilit or blame him on that because he's lined up

887
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: in the wrong spot, schematically because if he moves between

888
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: what what we call we call the telephone booth is

889
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 3: the interior three the islands are the. Tackles, right you

890
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: put a guy in the in the in the phone

891
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: booth slash island zip, code that's where you become get.

892
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: There that's WHY I cam has been so, good, right you,

893
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: know especially in this four down nickel, front because he's

894
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: getting that because the attention is going to your outside.

895
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: Guys the island guys have to get out there.

896
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: Quickly so there's a void in THE b.

897
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 3: Gap but THE a gaps are like steel shut, doors,

898
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: right you're not gonna get, There Warren sap if he,

899
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: moved AND i, SAY i make this type of, comparison

900
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: you Move Warren Sap toon knows he's not as, Effected

901
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: he's not A hall Of. Famer he couldn't do What booger. Did, yeah,

902
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: Exactly he's not gonna do What booger. Did And booger

903
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 3: can't do What sap, did, sure, Right but they were

904
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 3: in the right. Spot and then you Had Semeon rice,

905
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 3: Right so the same thing can be. Said and Why

906
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: Casey hampton will never make The hall Of fame is

907
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: because the stats aren't there for what he. Did but

908
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 3: if you ask any of us that played with, him

909
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: guy's A hall Of fame talent because of what he

910
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: will asked to. Do vince Will fork another one in

911
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: that Se, vain you, know but without Without Vince, wilfork

912
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: Does Richard seymour make him too The hall Of?

913
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: Fame? Right?

914
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: Right so so there's there's those type of. Things BUT

915
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: i think you have to go find a true nose

916
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: that can, penetrate get skinny and create pressure up the

917
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 3: middle to Allow Keanu bindon to be free.

918
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: Release let me ask you, this would you take two

919
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: defensive linemen in this.

920
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 2: Draft, yes it's that loaded. Too is that? Loaded i'm.

921
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: Not i'm not saying this like facetious, like, oh we

922
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: just need bodies in. There, no the quality of talent

923
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: right THAT i have up and down, THIS i mean

924
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: you can argue there are a lot of, talent especially

925
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: In day, Two like there's a lot of value In

926
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: day two and you guys THAT i was about to

927
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: Say day, three the top that that first, fourth that

928
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 3: first fourth round pick. Area there's guys that are gonna

929
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: slide that should have been In day two that are

930
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: going to be available In day.

931
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 5: Three last year or maybe second round. Picks, yeah because

932
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 5: it is so.

933
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Deep, yeah it's much like the offensive tackles last year

934
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: in the. Draft it was so deep that you could get,

935
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: One yeah you. Were you can Get Roger rosengarten in

936
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: the FOURTH rondea, okay.

937
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah this, guy this guy can plug and play and

938
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: he'll be all. Right, right you, know you can go

939
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 3: find The Tyler. Lindenbaum you, know you can find those

940
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: guys that are gonna be, okay he's a tackle as,

941
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: well but also have guard.

942
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: Capability In day two this, year like nose and three.

943
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: Techniques galore, galore to go, fish fish and don't be

944
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: afraid to drop baiting there multiple.

945
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 6: TIMES i, think because you're going to get two different.

946
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 6: STYLES i, mean you could get the three four end

947
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 6: and the, nose you, know.

948
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: Or, yeah at the end of the, day as long

949
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: as you hammer down the nose with one of those two,

950
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: picks AND i prefer the nose can bump And bennett

951
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 3: now can bump or play Behind cam AND i think

952
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 3: all kinds of. Depth now you've created, depth AND i

953
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: think that's the biggest. Thing and then whatever you want

954
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: to do With Marvin lee out you do it To

955
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: Marvin lee out, right because he's one THAT i feel,

956
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: like If i'm projecting WHAT i want to See demarvin

957
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: to be is a four to two nickel defensive. End

958
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: that's WHERE i think he's going to be his. Best

959
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: AND i think in regular those spots are taking and

960
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: that's WHY i think you have to slide him in

961
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: to get to base.

962
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: Personnel he's a three four d in, essentially that's what he.

963
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: Is, yeah he's a three four defensive end that happens

964
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: to be playing in a four down, system so he

965
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: has no.

966
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 6: Home but he's not really A Lebo Aaron Smith kesel guy,

967
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 6: Either he's.

968
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: Not but they have guys to have.

969
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: That They Mike rabel back in the. Nineties he didn't

970
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: know what to do With Mike. Rabel they'd have n't

971
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: gained twenty pounds one, year then they have him lose

972
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: twenty pounds in next.

973
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 2: Year they're trying to fit a square peg in a round, hole, Right.

974
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: And he's obviously was a good football, player but he

975
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: just didn't fit this particular.

976
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: Scheme, yeah he Wasn't Levon kirklan.

977
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 6: Like Le al on a two point stance outside the.

978
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 6: Tackle isn't going to be her big, no you know he.

979
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 6: Does he brings a different. Element i'm say he's a

980
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 6: bad football, player but he is hard to get on the.

981
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Field, yeah He's he's a hard edge. Three he's a

982
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: three point defensive end three. Point he has to have

983
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: his hand in the. Dirt that's why he's the most.

984
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 3: Effective but he can't have. Sideboards he can't be at

985
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: the three technique and do what he. Does he has

986
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: to be at the. Five and there's no five in this,

987
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: system right because we don't we don't dictate, that and

988
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: teams don't give us the luxury of being able to

989
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: dictate that as. Well so that's where it's. Like but

990
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: if you Get keano in a position where he can

991
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: be behind and play the three, technique that's where we're

992
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 3: at our. Best or we run for two wide nickel, defense,

993
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: right and you just let your two middle backers be

994
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: the pseudo knows in sub sets like that's Only but

995
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: the problem is you give up run capability you do,

996
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: that it's only in passing situations that you can really exploit.

997
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: That so it's got to be the right. Fit but

998
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: getting a nose, here a true nose that can, Create

999
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: that's why A nolan is so. Attractive that's why grant you,

1000
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: know all those guys are attracted because they can create

1001
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: from the nose, position because that's special to be able

1002
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: to create from. That Like Aaron donald's aren't coming, around,

1003
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: right you, know those guys are not are not a

1004
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: dime a dozen their generational talent to be able to

1005
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: take contact and avoid contact at the same time and

1006
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 3: split defensive offensive lineman in THE a.

1007
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 6: Gap but there's a catch twenty two with a nose.

1008
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 6: Too Like hampton was a perfect, example Will fork is

1009
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 6: a perfect. Example, like if you don't have that, guy

1010
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 6: they're gonna keep you in base and run up the a.

1011
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 6: Gaps you do have that, guy they're gonna keep you

1012
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 6: a nickel and he's gonna stand on the sidelines exactly.

1013
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: Eleven and we're, like, hey as long as he's out,

1014
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: there we can run the. Ball seven man. Box that's

1015
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: all we care. About but the second of eighth drops, In,

1016
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 3: okay we got a little bit of. Worries But i'll

1017
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: take my chances with the eighth guy being a, smaller

1018
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 3: lighter guy that's coming down To phil and them going

1019
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: into man on the. Secondary IF i have the quarterback

1020
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: that can throw them out of, that, yeah, Right so

1021
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: that's where you need the mobile. Guy and that's WHERE

1022
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: i think no one presents that great. One you, know

1023
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: AND i even had you, Know farmer has the farmer.

1024
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: Zility he's another one that's very intriguing BECAUSE i feel

1025
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: like he has. It it's JUST fs was so terrible last. Year,

1026
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: yeah like they were so, bad AND i think he

1027
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 3: mailed it in a little.

1028
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Bit he broke your.

1029
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 3: Heart yeah, yeah, listen but he's my seminole. Heart SO

1030
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 3: i feel like The grinch when it comes to talking

1031
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: about the, seminoles, RIGHT i have zero heart. There but but,

1032
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: yeah but but he has the long. Arms he can

1033
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: create extension and that's what you, want, right you want

1034
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: a guy who can lock out and also take on

1035
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: two guys in the run. Game but also it's, like,

1036
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: okay DO i let this guy get in because if

1037
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 3: he is over the nose and you do get to

1038
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: the center snaphand, side right.

1039
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Shoulders a little bit more.

1040
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: Exposed IF i got long, ARMS i can now take

1041
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: that so that arm can't trigger back as, easy and

1042
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: NOW i can flow through the hole like with with

1043
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: with the rip move. Underneath and, YEAH i think he's

1044
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: capable of, that of that. Capability so there are those.

1045
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: Guys BUT i think we have to address it, specifically

1046
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: like it has to be addressed specifically in the top two.

1047
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: Picks if you're asking, me, absolutely let's get through a.

1048
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Break we're up against the hour break. Here so he

1049
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,440
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1050
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,600
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1051
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,560
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1052
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,400
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1053
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,160
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1054
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Until five today at the, WELL i should say our

1055
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: number whatever we, want our number two of our particular.

1056
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 2: Group of our.

1057
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00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,200
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