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Speaker 1: Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones, and welcome to Talking Cowboys inside the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studio on a Thursday that's more like a
Speaker 1: Wednesday in terms of schedule for your Dallas Cowboys getting
Speaker 1: set for the New York New York Giants Monday night
Speaker 1: at the Meadowlands. Were there just a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago for the Jets and now it's another division matchup.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips in for Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought
Speaker 1: us for the next forty five minutes. Phone number eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two ninety seven if you
Speaker 1: want to join the conversation. And it's it's kind of nice,
Speaker 1: guys to get back into what is somewhat of a
Speaker 1: normal routine and start getting set for an opponent and
Speaker 1: talking about another football team and a football game. I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the break, because it's about to happen
Speaker 1: fast and furious, for the next five weeks. Did Bill
Speaker 1: Jones not know this was a Wednesday? Yeah, technically it
Speaker 1: is for the football team, not for Bill. He's got
Speaker 1: TV duties and that's okay. Yeah, that's okay. We'll get
Speaker 1: back into a routine next week, a normal routine. You're right, Brian.
Speaker 1: Did somebody say it in the press conference just now
Speaker 1: at Jason Garrett that what five games in like twenty
Speaker 1: six days or five days? Yeah, it's not about four
Speaker 1: and nineteen. Yeah, that's that's some of the thing. You know,
Speaker 1: the league tried to help you out a little bit
Speaker 1: with the buy the way they put it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of those those runs where we always
Speaker 1: we kind of we say, oh, it nice to have
Speaker 1: the buy, and then next thing, you know, you start
Speaker 1: to look at the schedule a little bit you say, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: that's about to happen, and you know, so, you know,
Speaker 1: I always tell those guys upstairs though it we're gonna
Speaker 1: wake up and it's gonna be Thanksgiving. I say that
Speaker 1: about week two, Well, you're gonna wake up. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be Christmas. You know, one of those days. But I
Speaker 1: just you know, this team has gone through that a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, they understand with the way of having to
Speaker 1: plan Thanksgiving. The new twist is the game the following Thursday.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the twist that they kind of throw
Speaker 1: on this team the last couple of years to give
Speaker 1: them those two Thursday games. But you know, yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got to be ready for it. And the coach was
Speaker 1: talking about his team's health wise is probably the best
Speaker 1: they've been since, uh since Opening Day, and that's when
Speaker 1: they faced the Giants last time. So, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: that's we've we've learned that if this team is healthy,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty damn good team. When it's
Speaker 1: not healthy, that they tend to have some struggles. So
Speaker 1: see how it goes. You know, it's almost like they
Speaker 1: make the by punitive. It's like you get a bye
Speaker 1: and they give you a Monday night game. Sure, and
Speaker 1: now you're scrap hambling to get ready for the next Sunday,
Speaker 1: right because you got sent to New York for a
Speaker 1: night game, right right, And now it's a short week
Speaker 1: to start with. Now, if you were going to Chicago,
Speaker 1: right all right, you get back in Kansas City, you'll
Speaker 1: be back by you know, one in the morning, or
Speaker 1: you're gonna get home at four thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: No one gets to bed to five five thirty, and
Speaker 1: then you got to play again on Sunday and then
Speaker 1: night so yeah, and then it continued. It's a night game.
Speaker 1: But as from a preparations stamp, right, those extra four
Speaker 1: hours don't do you any good. Uh. And then you're
Speaker 1: on the road the next two games, right right, And
Speaker 1: then you got to play on a short week on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: but you're going to New England on Sunday, so by
Speaker 1: time you get back from that, you know, monday's a wash. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, as Brian said, you know when you hit
Speaker 1: the street, it's gonna be after Thanksgiving. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: a lot of games to play for that stretch. Three
Speaker 1: out of four on the road, but four in nineteen
Speaker 1: days when it should be twenty eight days parking lot Moon. Well,
Speaker 1: that part hasn't worked out well because they'll you know,
Speaker 1: look at their record. They're one and two on the
Speaker 1: road this year. Yeah. So I will say this, We've
Speaker 1: covered this team when they've had to buy in like
Speaker 1: week three, and if you're gonna have a buy, it
Speaker 1: needs to be right when they had it, because you know,
Speaker 1: your team generally is probably in better shape after three
Speaker 1: games or two games than it is right now healthwise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you made a great point there, Rob With
Speaker 1: the health. I think that's the most important thing. If
Speaker 1: you can get halfway through the season and have your
Speaker 1: health reasonably there, which they do. They have their health there,
Speaker 1: and so you know, if you can, you just need
Speaker 1: to be You're probably gonna need to be. Like we
Speaker 1: were talking about six or three or better, these next nine.
Speaker 1: You can't give away any games. You can't have anything
Speaker 1: bad happen, you can't have self inflicted problems. You need
Speaker 1: to go out and win the games you're supposed to win.
Speaker 1: Maybe have to steal the game down the road somewhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this this division is for the
Speaker 1: take and for you know, the Cowboys and the Eagles
Speaker 1: the way it is because if you win that Jets game,
Speaker 1: Mickey was talking about it. You win that Jets game,
Speaker 1: you know you're looking at a two game. You know
Speaker 1: you're looking probably at a two game lead, and that's
Speaker 1: you know, now, it's it's uh, it's pretty much it's
Speaker 1: for whoever can find a way to play the best
Speaker 1: these next nine games. So it looks like from a
Speaker 1: health standpoint, the majority of those guys should be back
Speaker 1: in practice. Yeah. Uh, they keep mentioning Anthony Brown. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ready for this week. Uh. Layton Vanderish
Speaker 1: was another guy he mentioned that would be more limited
Speaker 1: in the other guys at the next thing or against Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a neck injury, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: it you know, it started as a stinger and now
Speaker 1: it's just a neck injury. Uh, So that's concerning, Uh
Speaker 1: the other guys. I think some of those other guys
Speaker 1: might be limited, but not as limited that played through stuff.
Speaker 1: And then we talked yesterday about the Cam Fleming thing,
Speaker 1: which to me is somewhat problematic just from a number
Speaker 1: standpoint at your tackle position, and there's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to start playing guards at tackles if
Speaker 1: things get even worse. It's true, and he's going to
Speaker 1: be gone for a couple of weeks. So that's that's significant.
Speaker 1: You know, too bad that somebody didn't have an excess
Speaker 1: of offensive tackles out there. You could have made a
Speaker 1: trade for you know, a sixth or a seventh and said, okay,
Speaker 1: I need this guy or a poach somebody's but again,
Speaker 1: that's a guy that hasn't played, So it's that any
Speaker 1: better than Brandon Night right now. See. And then you
Speaker 1: get guys like Mitch Hyatt who's been on the practice
Speaker 1: squad the whole year. But Mitch Hyatt is kind of
Speaker 1: like Tristan Hill, you know, not ready to play physically,
Speaker 1: maybe not enough, Yeah, exactly. So I think that to me,
Speaker 1: it's you know, you look at the you like Mickey
Speaker 1: was talking about a trade or a possibility of a poach,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's that's a good opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that because you got some of these guys that
Speaker 1: have been on practice squads for six, seven, eight weeks
Speaker 1: now and they're thinking, Okay, the season's going away, I
Speaker 1: need to get on a roster. I need to get
Speaker 1: an accrude season here. How do I do it? So
Speaker 1: you can if you can identify somebody, it's a little
Speaker 1: bit easier now to poach a guy, especially if you're
Speaker 1: a team that's kind of in the mix. If you're
Speaker 1: a team that's poaching at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: those guys kind of don't want to move. They get happy.
Speaker 1: They're like, like you trying to poach somebody from a
Speaker 1: playoff team, a New Orleans, a New England, a Kansas
Speaker 1: City that those teams, those guys are like, nah, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stick this one out. Feel like I can,
Speaker 1: you know, get playoff money, feel like I can get
Speaker 1: maybe a ring, you know. So it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more difficult to poach guys when you get down to
Speaker 1: the end. You got to kind of do it in
Speaker 1: the middle, when when they're interested in trying to get
Speaker 1: that accrude season and the Cowboys just got poached yesterday
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson their Murky corner, I think fifth round draft pick. Yes,
Speaker 1: mine in Miami Detroit Lions. Now, walk me through how
Speaker 1: that works because the poaching part, if you want to
Speaker 1: call it that, because players don't always necessarily give the
Speaker 1: team that is there with at the moment on the
Speaker 1: practice wat an opportunity. If it's an opportunity to go
Speaker 1: play on a fifty three man roster, they'll just take it. Right.
Speaker 1: Any agent that's listening to us, and there's some agents
Speaker 1: that listen to our show, and we appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: You know, an agent worth this salt. We'll tell the
Speaker 1: team what's going on. We'll tell you. If you have
Speaker 1: a relationship with the team, you'll tell them, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity to go to Detroit Lions. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett talked about it today. If he had a practice
Speaker 1: assume if he had a spot, then they would have.
Speaker 1: You know, they liked Jackson, they would have probably put
Speaker 1: him on the active fifty three. They don't have the spot.
Speaker 1: So what you have to do then is as an agent,
Speaker 1: you give the team warning, Hey, we're gonna go for
Speaker 1: this fifty three? Would you have a spot for him?
Speaker 1: Can you do something for him? And the team? Will
Speaker 1: you just say no, we can't do anything, but we
Speaker 1: can make it financially worth your while. And sometimes guys say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good enough for me extra money, Fine, we'll do that,
Speaker 1: or he'll say, no, we need to we need to
Speaker 1: go on and try and get the secrued season and
Speaker 1: get this started. So, um, you know, they didn't have
Speaker 1: a spot for him, tried to make some financial arrangements,
Speaker 1: didn't work out there. So he's going to be a
Speaker 1: Detroit and I'll see him here in a couple of weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the difference is making seven thousand dollars a week
Speaker 1: and then making twenty thousand dollars a week. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're at a minimum. Yeah, And Brian's right, and it
Speaker 1: sounded like, you know, it's like what they did with
Speaker 1: Jarwin right the two years ago and they Philadelphia came,
Speaker 1: they were trying to poach him, and they was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they paid him a little bit more. Now,
Speaker 1: when you sign a guy off the practice squad, you
Speaker 1: got to keep him for three weeks. We got to
Speaker 1: pay him for three weeks. Three weeks, which made me think,
Speaker 1: what happens when you approach a guy with two games
Speaker 1: to go in the season, you still have to pay
Speaker 1: them three weeks to pay Yeah, it doesn't roll over
Speaker 1: till yeah, next you gotta keep him, gotta keep no,
Speaker 1: I think I think you have to pay him, right,
Speaker 1: You have to pay him, yeah, even though you only
Speaker 1: get him for two games, right, So you better really
Speaker 1: want them. Some teams are really Some teams could be
Speaker 1: pretty sneaky the way they do it. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you have an agent that doesn't work with you.
Speaker 1: But as an agent, you always want to have relationships
Speaker 1: with all thirty two teams. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: a guy that's moving guys around, and you know he
Speaker 1: he pulled a Jim Er say and moved him. Moved
Speaker 1: his moved the team in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: you know, from Baltimore to Indianapolis. Yeah, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be that guy. It's his dad, it
Speaker 1: moved to team, right, not Jim. Who's his dad's name,
Speaker 1: Art Bill or say Jim, or say it's him. It
Speaker 1: was Junior. Yeah, there's two of them. Junior's junior, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, And you know, and so the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: if they were probably weren't in the injury situation. They
Speaker 1: were like on the offensive line, you could have said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put one of these guys down. I don't
Speaker 1: want to lose this guy, right, I can't afford to
Speaker 1: do that because of the injuries. They could they could
Speaker 1: have made a decision on Anthony Brown. You know what
Speaker 1: if Anthony Brown was not going along well enough and
Speaker 1: they said, you know what, we'll just move on from Anthony.
Speaker 1: You know. And also Anthony Brown is doesn't have a
Speaker 1: contract next year too, so it might be a situation
Speaker 1: where they look back and they say, oh, we should
Speaker 1: have maybe, but they would have to put him on
Speaker 1: injured reserve right, right, So that wouldn't for the spot, yeah,
Speaker 1: which would be for the season because well just about right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean weeks are left in the season. It's an
Speaker 1: eight thing, so yeah, for sure, And they don't feel
Speaker 1: like that's the case with him, although it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like he's yeah, yeah, it's coaching. Coaching is good if
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a bad team and you kind
Speaker 1: of see it through the first eight weeks of the season,
Speaker 1: just start I mean, we're not gonna go anywhere. Got's
Speaker 1: to start just dumping guys and picking up guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's if you're a bad team, try and think about
Speaker 1: your roster in two thou twenty. But in this case,
Speaker 1: having a having a tackle that's potentially better than Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming is inviting to me and inviting to Mickey, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: But they've gave him a two year deal now. The
Speaker 1: bye week surely helped Tyrn Smith and Lyle Collins, they
Speaker 1: did play against Philly, finished the game despite them being
Speaker 1: banged up. What are your thoughts on what you guys
Speaker 1: have seen from Brandon Knight in the event at some
Speaker 1: point in the next couple of weeks he might need
Speaker 1: to come in for snaps. M. Look, it wasn't as
Speaker 1: bad two games, I think, not as bad as I
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be. Yeah, it wasn't great, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: probably not ready for this, But you know what, what
Speaker 1: other recourse do you have at this point? Um? I
Speaker 1: think you have to trust Mark Colombo in those guys
Speaker 1: like him. Yeah, Mark likes him so. And I said
Speaker 1: this the other day. I mean they had an opportunity
Speaker 1: to when they were trying to get I think Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson up week one from the practice squad because of
Speaker 1: other injuries. That was a guy I mean, they had
Speaker 1: a surplus at lyneman, and they said no, because what
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about, if you've got a good one,
Speaker 1: it's such a premium spot. They're hard to find. They
Speaker 1: kept him around, you know. I was told that while
Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect, maybe the biggest benefit of him playing
Speaker 1: what did he play like a quarter and a half
Speaker 1: against the Packers then he played the game that he
Speaker 1: actually gained a little confidence in himself, like he was
Speaker 1: one of these guys that knew that he was the
Speaker 1: fifty third guy on the roster and kind of acted
Speaker 1: that way, right, And then all of a sudden. He
Speaker 1: I was told he started to feel like he was
Speaker 1: a part of something and that he actually played better
Speaker 1: than he had been playing because they were depending on him. So,
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what a guy like that, maybe
Speaker 1: the light comes on. I mean, they liked him enough
Speaker 1: to keep him in the first place, right, I never thought,
Speaker 1: you know, just watch him in training camp. He struggled,
Speaker 1: He struggled a lot. Yeah, but they saw something in
Speaker 1: him to build on it. So you know, sometimes see, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you're if you you're able to make all the practices.
Speaker 1: Remember how dinged up and banged up they got. You know,
Speaker 1: think about if they if if in fact that they
Speaker 1: would have been able, you know, the guard that they
Speaker 1: drafted at a Penn State. You know, if if he
Speaker 1: would have not been hurt, you know, that would have
Speaker 1: been you know that that would have been one less
Speaker 1: spot right there, because there there was Taco. We're going
Speaker 1: to keep him, you know, we're gonna keep him on
Speaker 1: the fifty three. And it just didn't work out that way.
Speaker 1: That could have very well been Night's spot. Sure, you know,
Speaker 1: Night would have you know, if he wouldn't have practiced
Speaker 1: every single day, moved over to guard like the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of training camp to kind of help
Speaker 1: him out through a bad situation. You know, maybe he doesn't,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not here, Maybe we're not talking about him.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're talking about him on the practice squad as
Speaker 1: a guy that you could potentially bring up and we
Speaker 1: wouldn't know anything about him other than what we've seen
Speaker 1: in training camp. And Mickey's not wrong. Mickey's not wrong.
Speaker 1: There was nothing in training camp that was spectacular. Mark
Speaker 1: Colombo was taken a taken a look at his practice
Speaker 1: that he's had, the practices he's had in his mind,
Speaker 1: but also looking at what he did at Indiana, you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, Ah, this guy's got a little toughness about him.
Speaker 1: He's got a little nastiness to him. He's got a
Speaker 1: we need to keep him around kind of guy. You know.
Speaker 1: And if Connor McGovern would have not, you know, hurt
Speaker 1: or been hurt the whole training camp, you know, we
Speaker 1: might not be talking about Brandon Night. What impressed me
Speaker 1: was the Packer game just getting thrown in and it
Speaker 1: was cleared it was pass pro pass pro, pass pro
Speaker 1: because they were been catchup mode in that game. Right um.
Speaker 1: Speaking of McGovern, and Noah Brown and sound like they're
Speaker 1: ready to practice. Ye, start that clock wrong with Noah
Speaker 1: Brown's is need that bad? I mean it injury? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well he had hits surgery. Remember he had it scoped.
Speaker 1: But but it was But was it a scope or
Speaker 1: was it a full blown we're out for eight to
Speaker 1: ten months kind of a thing. It's it's kind of
Speaker 1: turning into that. Well or here's the other thing. So
Speaker 1: say you start him practicing, right, you have to make
Speaker 1: a decision, and he's ready to play. Yeah, you got
Speaker 1: three weeks were cutting? Well, yeah, you gotta have to
Speaker 1: make a room for him. It's a three week window
Speaker 1: right now, it's six. Well, it's it's it's three and
Speaker 1: then two, yeah, or two and then three. I can't
Speaker 1: it's one of those. Yeah, And so you gotta cut
Speaker 1: somebody or you're gonna leave him on IR Now you
Speaker 1: can do that too. See this is where this is
Speaker 1: where I'll start start thinking about guys like, Okay, Devin Smith,
Speaker 1: you did a great job with I'm okay keeping him around.
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. You drafted him obviously you like him on
Speaker 1: special teams and what he can do. He could play
Speaker 1: all three spots you'd like him for that. Now I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it again, Tavon Austin. What is Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: doing for me? Is Tavon Austin doing enough? Is Tavon Austin?
Speaker 1: Can you supplement somebody else for Tavon Austin snaps, who
Speaker 1: is probably not going to be here again next year? Okay?
Speaker 1: So what does Noah Brown give me that you don't
Speaker 1: have right now? And don't tell me he can block,
Speaker 1: you can block? Give me something else? Could he? Could
Speaker 1: he better than Devin Smith going downfield? I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to cut Devin Smith. I I gotta have to cut somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm trying to move on from from Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to do. If if if Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin is just going to be this guy that we're
Speaker 1: seeing now, I mean I'm not I'm not know about
Speaker 1: you guys. There's been nothing spectacular about Taylor. Now. Maybe
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin will bring a punt back or something like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll do something to make my mind change. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking to these players that don't have contracts next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you still have rights to Noah Brown. You're not
Speaker 1: going to lose him, No, but I want him to play.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to figure out. Us don't know
Speaker 1: where he fits in. Yeah, I mean at least TV
Speaker 1: talking to the wrong guy here. Tavon gives you a
Speaker 1: dimension that no one else does right now. I don't
Speaker 1: know how well they've used it or how well he's
Speaker 1: utilized his dimension, but they try to do stuff with him.
Speaker 1: He's an insurance policy for Cobb too. Who Well, he's
Speaker 1: the guy, he's the punt returner. Yeah, he's the punt
Speaker 1: returner basically, and they'll put him in there for jet
Speaker 1: sweep here or there. Cedric plays the slot and he
Speaker 1: plays punt rich or we set the the preseason. He
Speaker 1: can return punts as well. See, I'm just to me
Speaker 1: that if there's something really really wrong with him, then
Speaker 1: just keep him on IR the whole year. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right, you got his rights work for next year.
Speaker 1: But if there's something he could come in and help
Speaker 1: you with. Now, if you like the way that and
Speaker 1: Mickey was telling about the blocking stuff, if you like
Speaker 1: the blocking stuff, if you like special team stuff, if
Speaker 1: you maybe like an occasional play a big body guy
Speaker 1: down the field, you know, I mean to me, those
Speaker 1: are all there are things. They kind of use him
Speaker 1: as a big tight end, you know, if you have
Speaker 1: a big tight end. Yeah right, well you do, you do.
Speaker 1: But are they using the big tight ends? Well enough,
Speaker 1: that's another thing. Well, the one that can get down
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, he needs to have a big game
Speaker 1: this game Giants. He tends to play well against the Giants,
Speaker 1: so hopefully he'll eighty nine. Yeah, yeah he does. Yeah, hopefully,
Speaker 1: So something about that building. Okay, five two two nine
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Speaker 1: All right, let's join the phone lines today. Jim from
Speaker 1: Pasadena start us off. You're up first on Talking Cowboys. Hey,
Speaker 1: good morning, guys. Please forgive me if I comment on
Speaker 1: something you've been talking about. I'm not watching right now.
Speaker 1: I just I'm calling from work. Yeah, I'll watch tape
Speaker 1: of Detroit. My gosh, this is a different Giants team.
Speaker 1: They have not given up. I noticed the using Barkley
Speaker 1: out of the backfield on pass routes, and he's running
Speaker 1: great routes, wheel routes, steam routes, and he's fast enough
Speaker 1: to get up sealed from the backfield, and that scares me.
Speaker 1: This guy is you know, what kind of defensive package
Speaker 1: do you want to put in? Because it doesn't tip
Speaker 1: their hat because the kid can play in the backfield
Speaker 1: and still run great routes. It scares me that the
Speaker 1: offensive line looks better. You know, I thought Nate Salter
Speaker 1: Solder I was an eye on him, but he had
Speaker 1: a great Detroit game except for one play. Sure, so
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? What do you think
Speaker 1: This Giants team scares me right now? I think they're
Speaker 1: pretty darn good. State has really elevated them as well.
Speaker 1: So anyway, your thoughts, Thanks guys, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jim, you let us write to where we were going.
Speaker 1: The Giants are in the National Football League, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: they pay their players too, And was not Barkley their
Speaker 1: leading receiver last year? He was, so it's not a surprise, no, right,
Speaker 1: they saw it last year, sure did so. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: I think he makes a point. I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: Golden Tate Brian wrote you wrote about him. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's they didn't have him the first time around him,
Speaker 1: and this is a guy that's given this defense fits
Speaker 1: on another team. Yeah, but what are you seeing from
Speaker 1: their offense now with Daniel Jones at quarterback and just
Speaker 1: some of the weapons they've got in including Barkley of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ball, the ball clearly is going down the field
Speaker 1: more it's accurately going down the field. And they've got
Speaker 1: a couple of guys. You mentioned Golden Tate. You also
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton out of Auburn is another player rookie. Usually
Speaker 1: the learning curve for wide receivers, rookie wide receivers is
Speaker 1: pretty steep. This kid's done a pretty good job of
Speaker 1: coming in. They've thrown him some fifty fifty balls. He
Speaker 1: had two touchdowns against the Lions last week. He's a
Speaker 1: six one guy plays much taller than that. You watch
Speaker 1: him go up and get the balls. A great athlete.
Speaker 1: When he was at Auburn, you could see they throw
Speaker 1: him the ball short and he's like a a good
Speaker 1: run after the catch guy. There's you know, those are
Speaker 1: the problems you have to worry about with him, the speed,
Speaker 1: the quickness and stuff like that. He's got. Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: has found him. He's found Taid. They're gonna use Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1: He's right about the back. Jim's right about the back
Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield. The problem that the Giants
Speaker 1: have had is when they don't pick up blitzes, when
Speaker 1: they don't block well up front, the quarterback can turn
Speaker 1: the ball over instantly. He has problems with awareness in
Speaker 1: the pocket. He has problems protecting the football in the pocket,
Speaker 1: and when teams really come after him, you can create
Speaker 1: turnovers with him down. And that's why And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that I think that's why. I think that's why
Speaker 1: maybe DeMarcus Lawrence was saying little Manning he kind of
Speaker 1: described Daniel Jones is Little Manning because we've seen that
Speaker 1: from the past and with the Giants. If you hit
Speaker 1: Eli Manning and you can affect him in the pocket,
Speaker 1: he will turn the ball over. And that's the biggest
Speaker 1: problem with Daniel Jones right now. And they're a better
Speaker 1: team with him playing quarterback, and they're they're outstanding a
Speaker 1: running team. When they can get that going, you know,
Speaker 1: the problem is I don't see the problems with the
Speaker 1: Giants being their offense. I see the problems their defense.
Speaker 1: They have done nothing. They get no pass rush and
Speaker 1: they don't defend the pass very well. So what happens
Speaker 1: is they're in a lot of games where they're close
Speaker 1: and then they can't finish a game because their defense
Speaker 1: is bad. They're up there in the league in terms
Speaker 1: of twenty yard passes allowed, forty yard passes allowed, a
Speaker 1: lot of explosive plays, and the Cowboys had some in
Speaker 1: Week one. But to Jim's point, though, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to worry about Barkley. You have to worry about those receivers.
Speaker 1: You have to worry about the tight end. This has
Speaker 1: got kind of that Jets game written all over it. Again.
Speaker 1: When you talk about a young quarterback with a good
Speaker 1: group of receivers, no rule of household. I mean, Golden
Speaker 1: Tate is a household name, but he's not one of
Speaker 1: those guys, and he's bounced around a little bit now
Speaker 1: and as the latter part of his career. But you
Speaker 1: you have a quality group of receivers, you know they're
Speaker 1: capable of making plays. If you don't play well defensively,
Speaker 1: We always talk about, oh, how do you stop Barkley?
Speaker 1: You got to tackle. You had to tackle the way
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were able to beat the Giants in that
Speaker 1: week one, they got ahead. You know, the Giants were
Speaker 1: just in trouble. They couldn't come back. They didn't have
Speaker 1: any ability to come back. And I think they've got
Speaker 1: a guy that can. They can bring him back if
Speaker 1: they have to. The problem is, though, he could also
Speaker 1: turn over the ball two or three times a game,
Speaker 1: whether it's an interception or a fumble in the pocket.
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? You better put pressure on him,
Speaker 1: right pressure? You better blitz him. Yeah, you better not
Speaker 1: sit back with a four man rush and not get
Speaker 1: to him and let him get comfortable like they did.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, you want more blitzes that I want more pressure.
Speaker 1: However they have to do it. It might be in
Speaker 1: the form of that number seventy nine. It might be
Speaker 1: that you might be you know, if you get if
Speaker 1: you get to bend it lined up the shoulder of
Speaker 1: you know, off that shoulder of Hernandez or one of
Speaker 1: those guys, or Zeitlery, one of those you know, the
Speaker 1: guard stuff, let him attack, you know, if he could
Speaker 1: be disruptive inside. That's what that's what affects Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: You watch, he'll hold the ball, hold the ball, hold
Speaker 1: the ball, and then it's a sack fumble. That's how
Speaker 1: that's how you got to get to him. You've got
Speaker 1: to knock him around a little bit. You could say
Speaker 1: about all quarterbacks, but especially this young quarterback. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: said it on the Latin then walk off, he goes,
Speaker 1: it's hard being a rookie quarterback in this league. It is.
Speaker 1: And he and that's nice way of saying, this guy
Speaker 1: has some problems when people come after him. As Dak's
Speaker 1: first season, so impressive is that he didn't turn the
Speaker 1: ball over and now he had three picks. I had
Speaker 1: a really good running game too. Yeah, a lot to
Speaker 1: lean on for sure. So so all this correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But you know, everybody seems to be
Speaker 1: concerned on how ready Michael Bennett will be to play
Speaker 1: in this game. He should be ready to day. He's fresh,
Speaker 1: he's fresh, he hadn't played a lot. Got suspended what
Speaker 1: the game before the trade game? Yea by New England.
Speaker 1: If the sixth game he gets suspended and he played,
Speaker 1: he played Levin snaps he was for the trade. He
Speaker 1: missed the Giants game. He messed the Giants gad the
Speaker 1: Thursday night game. So but he's been practicing. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, how much is there to learn to
Speaker 1: come in and rush the quarter? But he's in shape,
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. And like Mickey says, he should
Speaker 1: be fresh. His snaps were going down and down. The
Speaker 1: reason why he didn't play it wasn't because of visibility.
Speaker 1: The reason is that the New England Patriots, when you
Speaker 1: watch them play and here a few weeks you study them,
Speaker 1: they play with linebackers as rushers. That's their whole thing.
Speaker 1: They get. They get all these linebackers on the field
Speaker 1: and it's been a scheme that's been really it's created
Speaker 1: a lot of turnovers for them. And then they don't
Speaker 1: go with big, bulky guys. They go with fast linebacker,
Speaker 1: athletic guys that can attack the passer and they can
Speaker 1: afford to get away with it because they're aheading games
Speaker 1: and they're able to kind of play with the lead
Speaker 1: a little bit and they attack you that way. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, let's see if if they
Speaker 1: have to play a game where it's close tight, and
Speaker 1: they you know, teams can run or pass on them.
Speaker 1: Then do they have to adapt what they're doing exactly?
Speaker 1: And then that's the Patriots, And that's fine. You know
Speaker 1: that's what they did, right, That's why he only played
Speaker 1: like he averaged Brian, I think twenty two snaps a game.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, so you know, put his hand on
Speaker 1: the ground instead of standing up. Jalen Smith on the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Question your fourth pass rushing and he's
Speaker 1: familiar with what they've done. It's similar to me, and
Speaker 1: I guess you have chard type defense in the past.
Speaker 1: You have to ask that question, I guess. But the
Speaker 1: concern seems to be fire beyond what it should be
Speaker 1: because he's been playing, he's rushed against the Giant. You
Speaker 1: go get him who's had concerns? Well, I keep hearing
Speaker 1: that question. You got that on the fans, no, and
Speaker 1: and today in the press conference, and Tuesday in the
Speaker 1: press conference, and well, people act like they got him
Speaker 1: off the street. They didn't get him off the street. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like he was spanning a camp. He's been playing,
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. He's football. He's also a veteran
Speaker 1: he's been in the league eleven years and knows what
Speaker 1: to do. Yes, Robert Quinn said, you can already tell
Speaker 1: he goes about his craft very seriously. Daniel Jones just
Speaker 1: watching him a little bit a couple of games. Is it.
Speaker 1: Is it weird for me to say, ask you a
Speaker 1: little Romo in him Romo's first year here in six Like,
Speaker 1: he'll throw it anywhere, He'll throw it into any window.
Speaker 1: He is not afraid. He's mobile, he can escape the pocket,
Speaker 1: but he is prone to making mistakes. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: how Tony was early on before he kind of mastered
Speaker 1: the position. Yeah, I think you have him right, Rob.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the elusiveness of Tony. I
Speaker 1: mean he's a little bit more of a kind of
Speaker 1: a more of an upright player, where Tony played bent
Speaker 1: knee and kind of was able to kind of duck
Speaker 1: dodge and move around a little bit. True. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: where I think the escapability. Tony was always ability to
Speaker 1: do those types of things. But to your other points, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know he makes some throws. That again, Eli Manning
Speaker 1: is a great part of giant history. That's what he
Speaker 1: needs to be history, and he is. They're moving on,
Speaker 1: and this quarterback is gives him a chance there. He
Speaker 1: is not the problem these games. Their defense is the problem.
Speaker 1: And if they had a better defense, they had to
Speaker 1: you to middle the road defense, they would be right
Speaker 1: in this divisional hunt that we're talking about four and three,
Speaker 1: you know, and not being two and five. They would
Speaker 1: have won some more games because because of the way
Speaker 1: he's been playing. All right, stake our final break eight five, two, two,
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Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. Gents, what do you say
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Speaker 1: What's up? Hey? Um? Actually my name is Michael, but
Speaker 1: it's right, um. Couple of questions questions, Yeah, Stanford, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Michael, Yeah, I got a couple of questions,
Speaker 1: and then a fun fact for you guys. Um. First question, Um,
Speaker 1: do you think there's another player similar to Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: or Tony Pollard who needs to see more playing time? Okay?
Speaker 1: And my my second question is if you guys know
Speaker 1: what's going on with Eric Berry? How come nobody's signing him? Yea?
Speaker 1: And the fun fact is, uh, my mom actually taught
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. He is from California,
Speaker 1: right he yes, I went to Colorado for college. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: very cool, thanks Mike. Another player like Jordan Lewis. Who
Speaker 1: else was the other? The second that's a good question. Well,
Speaker 1: they kind of played Pollard more last week, right, they did,
Speaker 1: but it's easier when they got a lead. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been playing from behind in that three game losing streak,
Speaker 1: and you can't start grinding with Zeke and then give
Speaker 1: Zeke a break. You know you're playing from behind. You
Speaker 1: need twenty one out there every snap. This is gonna
Speaker 1: sound bad because the guy I thought that Sean Lee
Speaker 1: played one of his best games last week. Yes, and
Speaker 1: he owes Golden Tate still, yeah, he does, Oh, Golden Tate.
Speaker 1: There's some memory right there. I'm trying to think though.
Speaker 1: If Lee played so well, though, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: play Joe Thomas more, right, But if they liked the
Speaker 1: way Lee played, and you're worried about vander Esh's, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he'd takes yea or were you put him out
Speaker 1: there on the nickel if you are worried about how
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's been playing on the nickel, because think about it.
Speaker 1: When he's been on the nickel, he's been lining up
Speaker 1: mostly as a pass rushing right right, And if you've
Speaker 1: got Michael Bennett doing that, maybe Sean Lee gets on
Speaker 1: the field a little more of that way. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe the guy maybe maybe one of the two linebackers,
Speaker 1: maybe more Shawn Lee, maybe more Joe Thomas. Okay, Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas play has played pretty well for this team when
Speaker 1: he's he's given the option, he's been a very valuable guy.
Speaker 1: I do the role he plays. The only other guy
Speaker 1: I can think of is um Well. I mean we've
Speaker 1: been talking about it, jar One. Yeah, I want to snap.
Speaker 1: The first person I thought of was, would anybody think
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound terrible? Again? Did Darren Thompson do
Speaker 1: anything for you at safety that I did a nice
Speaker 1: job playing for Woods in weeks And I know it's
Speaker 1: I know it's They're not gonna take Jeff Heath off
Speaker 1: the field. I know that, but we have seen in
Speaker 1: the past. I mean, I'm asking for something. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen with Cavan when JJ Wilcox was here. When
Speaker 1: guys Earn snaps, they'll play a safety rotation where they're
Speaker 1: sure it's the third safety playing. Sure is he gonna
Speaker 1: play strong safety? No? Yeah, that's but he You're right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I mean he could play down, but it's probably not
Speaker 1: the best thing for him. Talk about they talk about
Speaker 1: left hand, right hand, that the spots are kind of interchangeable. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I know you gotta have a different time. See, I
Speaker 1: would I would like to argue for Donovan Wilson, but
Speaker 1: I know they won't play for They won't play Donovan
Speaker 1: Wilson over over Thompson. That's been another male bad question
Speaker 1: for us. Why isn't Wilson playing more? Or they obviously
Speaker 1: don't trust him? Yeah, that's very well. Could. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's usually the first reason it could be after maybe
Speaker 1: sometimes can play. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: any Moore. I like Ola Wally a little bit. The
Speaker 1: eye formation they use with a little bit more. It
Speaker 1: seemed like with Zeke in the last game was effective.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of other names. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Dollar's a good one. Um. Obviously Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: has taken advantage. He was probably going to continue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna play more. Eric Barry they gave him a
Speaker 1: physical and I got word that that physical did not
Speaker 1: go well. So that's why Eric Barry is not signed
Speaker 1: by the Dallas Cowboys and probably by anybody anybody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people they're bringing him and then know the his injury
Speaker 1: history with him and stuff like that and cancer survivor
Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, but he's just not he was
Speaker 1: not healthy enough when they brought him in and and
Speaker 1: that's why they they they're not going back that direction.
Speaker 1: Hopefully answers his questions. Yeah, when was that? Was it June?
Speaker 1: It was it just kind of looks yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was you know, they were kind of taking a
Speaker 1: look at some guys, and they brought him into kind
Speaker 1: of and I don't know the exact date, but I
Speaker 1: know it was before the season. They were trying to
Speaker 1: see where he was at and he just wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to go, And so they've they've moved on from that
Speaker 1: fair enough. Yeah, I'm trying to think of anybody else
Speaker 1: other players to play. I think we've exhausted the I
Speaker 1: like what you said about the tight end Blake Darwin.
Speaker 1: I liked what you said about that guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't have the snaps there. He's probably been getting
Speaker 1: about twenty five thirty snaps a game. I just wish
Speaker 1: they'd find a way to get him the ball more though, too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he can make He's capable of making catches and
Speaker 1: making really good catches and getting up the field he does.
Speaker 1: I'll say this sounds cliche, but I think there is
Speaker 1: merit to it. They do have so many talented skill
Speaker 1: players on this offense. I mean, if you if you
Speaker 1: throw him a ball, you're not handing it to Zeke,
Speaker 1: or you're not throwing it to Gallop or Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. I mean, there's so many different
Speaker 1: ways they can go with this offense when they're healthy.
Speaker 1: Can I get Devin Smith on the forty six? Can
Speaker 1: Devin Smith give me more than Cedric Wilson? Well, but
Speaker 1: I know why, Yeah, Wilson's there, Yeah, why to help
Speaker 1: in the slot just in case? Yeah, Wilson if they
Speaker 1: if you ask about Wilson, they will tell you. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've asked Mickey about this because you talked
Speaker 1: to a lot of folks. They will tell you he
Speaker 1: could play all three positions, Yeah, the X, the Z,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then anything else in the slot.
Speaker 1: So that's that's why he knows all the spots, and
Speaker 1: that Devin doesn't know all the spots. Devin's a really
Speaker 1: talented player though. I mean you just remember what he
Speaker 1: did in that Washington game and just haven't really been
Speaker 1: able to kind of get to that. Maybe that was
Speaker 1: a lightning in the bottle moment for him, but he
Speaker 1: kind of showed everybody. Yeah, he hasn't gotten the opportunity
Speaker 1: and gotten the opportunity yet anybody on that we're almost
Speaker 1: wrapped up here. Anybody on this D line and carry
Speaker 1: Hyder well, carry hiders shown up. He's playing up. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's played he'd here's an interesting thing. We got time
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. Okay, here's the list of guys, the tackle list.
Speaker 1: I've got to go all the way to number ten
Speaker 1: to find the first defensive lineman in total tackles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's DeMarcus Lawrence with fourteen. Yeah. Carry Hyder is
Speaker 1: number twelve with eleven. Yeah. To me, all your tackles
Speaker 1: are the linebackers and dbs. And then when you get
Speaker 1: to tackles for loss the leaders, it's a three. It's
Speaker 1: a four way tie with two. What does that tell you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not getting enough. They're not getting enough. That's a great
Speaker 1: point because we've talked about this and where it's been,
Speaker 1: those big splash plays the linebackers, you know, with the
Speaker 1: vander esh Is, the Smiths. We saw that a lot
Speaker 1: from those guys last year. This year we haven't seen
Speaker 1: it much. We'll see what happens a second half. They
Speaker 1: need some splash ones in this play. You'd better attack
Speaker 1: some gaps and get up the field against this runner.
Speaker 1: Better find a way to get to him before he
Speaker 1: gets going. You know, nine tackles for a loss after
Speaker 1: seven games. That's why Michael Bennett's a Dallas cowboy. That's right.
Speaker 1: We'll find out how he practiced on Friday, our final
Speaker 1: show any weeks some good things. Absolutely, thanks for joining us.
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