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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: and Bill Jones, and welcome to Talking Cowboys inside the

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Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studio on a Thursday that's more like a

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Speaker 1: Wednesday in terms of schedule for your Dallas Cowboys getting

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Speaker 1: set for the New York New York Giants Monday night

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Speaker 1: at the Meadowlands. Were there just a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago for the Jets and now it's another division matchup.

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips in for Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us for the next forty five minutes. Phone number eight

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Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two ninety seven if you

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Speaker 1: want to join the conversation. And it's it's kind of nice,

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Speaker 1: guys to get back into what is somewhat of a

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Speaker 1: normal routine and start getting set for an opponent and

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Speaker 1: talking about another football team and a football game. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the break, because it's about to happen

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Speaker 1: fast and furious, for the next five weeks. Did Bill

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Speaker 1: Jones not know this was a Wednesday? Yeah, technically it

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Speaker 1: is for the football team, not for Bill. He's got

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Speaker 1: TV duties and that's okay. Yeah, that's okay. We'll get

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Speaker 1: back into a routine next week, a normal routine. You're right, Brian.

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Speaker 1: Did somebody say it in the press conference just now

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Speaker 1: at Jason Garrett that what five games in like twenty

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Speaker 1: six days or five days? Yeah, it's not about four

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Speaker 1: and nineteen. Yeah, that's that's some of the thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: the league tried to help you out a little bit

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Speaker 1: with the buy the way they put it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is one of those those runs where we always

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Speaker 1: the buy, and then next thing, you know, you start

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Speaker 1: to look at the schedule a little bit you say, oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: I always tell those guys upstairs though it we're gonna

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Speaker 1: about week two, Well, you're gonna wake up. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be Christmas. You know, one of those days. But I

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Speaker 1: just you know, this team has gone through that a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, they understand with the way of having to

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Speaker 1: plan Thanksgiving. The new twist is the game the following Thursday.

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Speaker 1: That's the that's the twist that they kind of throw

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Speaker 1: on this team the last couple of years to give

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Speaker 1: them those two Thursday games. But you know, yeah, you've

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Speaker 1: got to be ready for it. And the coach was

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Speaker 1: talking about his team's health wise is probably the best

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Speaker 1: they've been since, uh since Opening Day, and that's when

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Speaker 1: they faced the Giants last time. So, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's we've we've learned that if this team is healthy,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty damn good team. When it's

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Speaker 1: not healthy, that they tend to have some struggles. So

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. You know, it's almost like they

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Speaker 1: make the by punitive. It's like you get a bye

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Speaker 1: and they give you a Monday night game. Sure, and

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Speaker 1: now you're scrap hambling to get ready for the next Sunday,

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Speaker 1: right because you got sent to New York for a

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Speaker 1: night game, right right, And now it's a short week

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Speaker 1: right all right, you get back in Kansas City, you'll

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Speaker 1: No one gets to bed to five five thirty, and

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Speaker 1: But as from a preparations stamp, right, those extra four

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Speaker 1: time you get back from that, you know, monday's a wash. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, as Brian said, you know when you hit

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Speaker 1: a lot of games to play for that stretch. Three

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Speaker 1: days when it should be twenty eight days parking lot Moon. Well,

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Speaker 1: that part hasn't worked out well because they'll you know,

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Speaker 1: your team generally is probably in better shape after three

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Speaker 1: I think you made a great point there, Rob With

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Speaker 1: Maybe have to steal the game down the road somewhere.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this this division is for the

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Speaker 1: the way it is because if you win that Jets game,

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Speaker 1: Mickey was talking about it. You win that Jets game,

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Speaker 1: for whoever can find a way to play the best

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Speaker 1: the other guys. I think some of those other guys

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Speaker 1: You know, too bad that somebody didn't have an excess

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Speaker 1: I need this guy or a poach somebody's but again,

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Speaker 1: those guys kind of don't want to move. They get happy.

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Speaker 1: They're like, like you trying to poach somebody from a

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Speaker 1: that works because the poaching part, if you want to

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Speaker 1: Any agent that's listening to us, and there's some agents

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Speaker 1: can make it financially worth your while. And sometimes guys say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Detroit and I'll see him here in a couple of weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the difference is making seven thousand dollars a week

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Speaker 1: you're at a minimum. Yeah, And Brian's right, and it

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Speaker 1: sounded like, you know, it's like what they did with

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Speaker 1: Jarwin right the two years ago and they Philadelphia came,

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Speaker 1: they were trying to poach him, and they was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they paid him a little bit more. Now,

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Speaker 1: when you sign a guy off the practice squad, you

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Speaker 1: got to keep him for three weeks. We got to

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Speaker 1: pay him for three weeks. Three weeks, which made me think,

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Speaker 1: till yeah, next you gotta keep him, gotta keep no,

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Speaker 1: But as an agent, you always want to have relationships

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Speaker 1: a guy that's moving guys around, and you know he

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Speaker 1: he pulled a Jim Er say and moved him. Moved

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Speaker 1: moved to team, right, not Jim. Who's his dad's name,

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Speaker 1: I had the same issue, and I need to be

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Speaker 1: better about that. I'm sorry about that, Derek. I know

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Speaker 1: if you're listening, We've got a group that's playing for

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Speaker 1: fun and you can't. We cannot win the grand prize

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Speaker 1: or prizes, but yeah, but we get wrapped up in

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Speaker 1: the game. Do you have a job to do? Yes,

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Speaker 1: not sitting on your couch with popcorn. But this is

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Speaker 1: part of our job, so we need to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just stay tuned and multitasks. Make you're good at that,

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Speaker 1: not good at that. This one I did the first quarter.

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Speaker 1: I did the first quarter. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna remind you.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna tap you on the shoulder. We'll knock

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Speaker 1: this out at MetLife Stadium on Monday night. All right?

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Speaker 1: Can I skip the wait till the fourth and like,

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Speaker 1: if it's a blowout, then I'll participate. That's cheating. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that. You got to go all four before

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Speaker 1: the game goes. Yes, yes, all right. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. Cowboys practicing outdoors today.

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Speaker 1: It is chilly. It's a nice mimic for suns out

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Speaker 1: MetLife Stadium on Monday night. I'm sure clear, sunny and cold.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's join the phone lines today. Jim from

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Speaker 1: Pasadena start us off. You're up first on Talking Cowboys. Hey,

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Speaker 1: good morning, guys. Please forgive me if I comment on

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Speaker 1: something you've been talking about. I'm not watching right now.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm calling from work. Yeah, I'll watch tape

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Speaker 1: of Detroit. My gosh, this is a different Giants team.

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Speaker 1: They have not given up. I noticed the using Barkley

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield on pass routes, and he's running

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Speaker 1: great routes, wheel routes, steam routes, and he's fast enough

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Speaker 1: to get up sealed from the backfield, and that scares me.

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Speaker 1: This guy is you know, what kind of defensive package

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Speaker 1: do you want to put in? Because it doesn't tip

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Speaker 1: their hat because the kid can play in the backfield

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Speaker 1: and still run great routes. It scares me that the

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Speaker 1: offensive line looks better. You know, I thought Nate Salter

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Speaker 1: Solder I was an eye on him, but he had

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Speaker 1: a great Detroit game except for one play. Sure, so

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? What do you think

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Speaker 1: This Giants team scares me right now? I think they're

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good. State has really elevated them as well.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, your thoughts, Thanks guys, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Jim, you let us write to where we were going.

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Speaker 1: The Giants are in the National Football League, right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they pay their players too, And was not Barkley their

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Speaker 1: leading receiver last year? He was, so it's not a surprise, no, right,

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Speaker 1: they saw it last year, sure did so. Yeah, But

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Speaker 1: I think he makes a point. I think you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Golden Tate Brian wrote you wrote about him. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's they didn't have him the first time around him,

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Speaker 1: and this is a guy that's given this defense fits

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Speaker 1: on another team. Yeah, but what are you seeing from

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Speaker 1: their offense now with Daniel Jones at quarterback and just

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Speaker 1: some of the weapons they've got in including Barkley of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the ball, the ball clearly is going down the field

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Speaker 1: more it's accurately going down the field. And they've got

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys. You mentioned Golden Tate. You also

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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton out of Auburn is another player rookie. Usually

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Speaker 1: the learning curve for wide receivers, rookie wide receivers is

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Speaker 1: pretty steep. This kid's done a pretty good job of

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Speaker 1: coming in. They've thrown him some fifty fifty balls. He

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Speaker 1: had two touchdowns against the Lions last week. He's a

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Speaker 1: six one guy plays much taller than that. You watch

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Speaker 1: him go up and get the balls. A great athlete.

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Speaker 1: When he was at Auburn, you could see they throw

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Speaker 1: him the ball short and he's like a a good

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Speaker 1: run after the catch guy. There's you know, those are

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Speaker 1: the problems you have to worry about with him, the speed,

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Speaker 1: the quickness and stuff like that. He's got. Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: has found him. He's found Taid. They're gonna use Evan Ingram.

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Speaker 1: He's right about the back. Jim's right about the back

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Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield. The problem that the Giants

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Speaker 1: have had is when they don't pick up blitzes, when

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Speaker 1: they don't block well up front, the quarterback can turn

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Speaker 1: the ball over instantly. He has problems with awareness in

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Speaker 1: the pocket. He has problems protecting the football in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: and when teams really come after him, you can create

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Speaker 1: turnovers with him down. And that's why And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that I think that's why. I think that's why

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Speaker 1: maybe DeMarcus Lawrence was saying little Manning he kind of

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Speaker 1: described Daniel Jones is Little Manning because we've seen that

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Speaker 1: from the past and with the Giants. If you hit

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning and you can affect him in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: he will turn the ball over. And that's the biggest

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Speaker 1: problem with Daniel Jones right now. And they're a better

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Speaker 1: team with him playing quarterback, and they're they're outstanding a

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Speaker 1: running team. When they can get that going, you know,

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Speaker 1: the problem is I don't see the problems with the

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Speaker 1: Giants being their offense. I see the problems their defense.

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Speaker 1: They have done nothing. They get no pass rush and

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Speaker 1: they don't defend the pass very well. So what happens

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Speaker 1: is they're in a lot of games where they're close

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Speaker 1: and then they can't finish a game because their defense

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Speaker 1: is bad. They're up there in the league in terms

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Speaker 1: of twenty yard passes allowed, forty yard passes allowed, a

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Speaker 1: lot of explosive plays, and the Cowboys had some in

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Speaker 1: Week one. But to Jim's point, though, yeah, you have

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Speaker 1: to worry about Barkley. You have to worry about those receivers.

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Speaker 1: You have to worry about the tight end. This has

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Speaker 1: got kind of that Jets game written all over it. Again.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about a young quarterback with a good

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Speaker 1: group of receivers, no rule of household. I mean, Golden

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Speaker 1: Tate is a household name, but he's not one of

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Speaker 1: those guys, and he's bounced around a little bit now

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Speaker 1: and as the latter part of his career. But you

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Speaker 1: you have a quality group of receivers, you know they're

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Speaker 1: capable of making plays. If you don't play well defensively,

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Speaker 1: We always talk about, oh, how do you stop Barkley?

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Speaker 1: You got to tackle. You had to tackle the way

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys were able to beat the Giants in that

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Speaker 1: week one, they got ahead. You know, the Giants were

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Speaker 1: just in trouble. They couldn't come back. They didn't have

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Speaker 1: any ability to come back. And I think they've got

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Speaker 1: a guy that can. They can bring him back if

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Speaker 1: they have to. The problem is, though, he could also

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Speaker 1: turn over the ball two or three times a game,

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Speaker 1: whether it's an interception or a fumble in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean? You better put pressure on him,

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Speaker 1: right pressure? You better blitz him. Yeah, you better not

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Speaker 1: sit back with a four man rush and not get

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Speaker 1: to him and let him get comfortable like they did.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, you want more blitzes that I want more pressure.

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Speaker 1: However they have to do it. It might be in

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Speaker 1: the form of that number seventy nine. It might be

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Speaker 1: that you might be you know, if you get if

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Speaker 1: you get to bend it lined up the shoulder of

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Speaker 1: you know, off that shoulder of Hernandez or one of

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Speaker 1: those guys, or Zeitlery, one of those you know, the

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Speaker 1: guard stuff, let him attack, you know, if he could

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Speaker 1: be disruptive inside. That's what that's what affects Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: You watch, he'll hold the ball, hold the ball, hold

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Speaker 1: the ball, and then it's a sack fumble. That's how

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Speaker 1: that's how you got to get to him. You've got

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Speaker 1: to knock him around a little bit. You could say

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Speaker 1: about all quarterbacks, but especially this young quarterback. Jason Garrett

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Speaker 1: said it on the Latin then walk off, he goes,

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Speaker 1: it's hard being a rookie quarterback in this league. It is.

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Speaker 1: And he and that's nice way of saying, this guy

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Speaker 1: has some problems when people come after him. As Dak's

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Speaker 1: first season, so impressive is that he didn't turn the

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Speaker 1: ball over and now he had three picks. I had

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Speaker 1: a really good running game too. Yeah, a lot to

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Speaker 1: lean on for sure. So so all this correct me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But you know, everybody seems to be

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Speaker 1: concerned on how ready Michael Bennett will be to play

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Speaker 1: in this game. He should be ready to day. He's fresh,

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Speaker 1: he's fresh, he hadn't played a lot. Got suspended what

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Speaker 1: the game before the trade game? Yea by New England.

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Speaker 1: If the sixth game he gets suspended and he played,

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Speaker 1: he played Levin snaps he was for the trade. He

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Speaker 1: missed the Giants game. He messed the Giants gad the

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Speaker 1: Thursday night game. So but he's been practicing. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, how much is there to learn to

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Speaker 1: come in and rush the quarter? But he's in shape,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about that. And like Mickey says, he should

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Speaker 1: be fresh. His snaps were going down and down. The

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Speaker 1: reason why he didn't play it wasn't because of visibility.

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Speaker 1: The reason is that the New England Patriots, when you

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Speaker 1: watch them play and here a few weeks you study them,

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Speaker 1: they play with linebackers as rushers. That's their whole thing.

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Speaker 1: They get. They get all these linebackers on the field

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Speaker 1: and it's been a scheme that's been really it's created

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Speaker 1: a lot of turnovers for them. And then they don't

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Speaker 1: go with big, bulky guys. They go with fast linebacker,

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Speaker 1: athletic guys that can attack the passer and they can

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Speaker 1: afford to get away with it because they're aheading games

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Speaker 1: and they're able to kind of play with the lead

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Speaker 1: a little bit and they attack you that way. And

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, let's see if if they

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Speaker 1: have to play a game where it's close tight, and

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Speaker 1: they you know, teams can run or pass on them.

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Speaker 1: Then do they have to adapt what they're doing exactly?

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Speaker 1: And then that's the Patriots, And that's fine. You know

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Speaker 1: that's what they did, right, That's why he only played

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Speaker 1: like he averaged Brian, I think twenty two snaps a game.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, so you know, put his hand on

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Speaker 1: the ground instead of standing up. Jalen Smith on the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Question your fourth pass rushing and he's

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Speaker 1: familiar with what they've done. It's similar to me, and

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Speaker 1: I guess you have chard type defense in the past.

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Speaker 1: You have to ask that question, I guess. But the

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Speaker 1: concern seems to be fire beyond what it should be

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Speaker 1: because he's been playing, he's rushed against the Giant. You

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Speaker 1: go get him who's had concerns? Well, I keep hearing

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Speaker 1: that question. You got that on the fans, no, and

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Speaker 1: and today in the press conference, and Tuesday in the

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Speaker 1: press conference, and well, people act like they got him

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Speaker 1: off the street. They didn't get him off the street. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was like he was spanning a camp. He's been playing,

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Speaker 1: he's ready to go. He's football. He's also a veteran

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Speaker 1: he's been in the league eleven years and knows what

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Speaker 1: to do. Yes, Robert Quinn said, you can already tell

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Speaker 1: he goes about his craft very seriously. Daniel Jones just

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Speaker 1: watching him a little bit a couple of games. Is it.

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Speaker 1: Is it weird for me to say, ask you a

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Speaker 1: little Romo in him Romo's first year here in six Like,

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Speaker 1: he'll throw it anywhere, He'll throw it into any window.

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Speaker 1: He is not afraid. He's mobile, he can escape the pocket,

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Speaker 1: but he is prone to making mistakes. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: how Tony was early on before he kind of mastered

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Speaker 1: the position. Yeah, I think you have him right, Rob.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has the elusiveness of Tony. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's a little bit more of a kind of

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Speaker 1: a more of an upright player, where Tony played bent

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Speaker 1: knee and kind of was able to kind of duck

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Speaker 1: dodge and move around a little bit. True. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: where I think the escapability. Tony was always ability to

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Speaker 1: do those types of things. But to your other points, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you know he makes some throws. That again, Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: is a great part of giant history. That's what he

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Speaker 1: needs to be history, and he is. They're moving on,

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Speaker 1: and this quarterback is gives him a chance there. He

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Speaker 1: What's up? Hey? Um? Actually my name is Michael, but

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Speaker 1: it's right, um. Couple of questions questions, Yeah, Stanford, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Michael, Yeah, I got a couple of questions,

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Speaker 1: and then a fun fact for you guys. Um. First question, Um,

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Speaker 1: do you think there's another player similar to Jordan Lewis

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Speaker 1: or Tony Pollard who needs to see more playing time? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And my my second question is if you guys know

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Speaker 1: what's going on with Eric Berry? How come nobody's signing him? Yea?

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Speaker 1: And the fun fact is, uh, my mom actually taught

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. He is from California,

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Speaker 1: right he yes, I went to Colorado for college. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: very cool, thanks Mike. Another player like Jordan Lewis. Who

723
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: else was the other? The second that's a good question. Well,

724
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: they kind of played Pollard more last week, right, they did,

725
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Speaker 1: but it's easier when they got a lead. You know,

726
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: they've been playing from behind in that three game losing streak,

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Speaker 1: and you can't start grinding with Zeke and then give

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Speaker 1: Zeke a break. You know you're playing from behind. You

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Speaker 1: need twenty one out there every snap. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: sound bad because the guy I thought that Sean Lee

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Speaker 1: played one of his best games last week. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: he owes Golden Tate still, yeah, he does, Oh, Golden Tate.

733
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Speaker 1: There's some memory right there. I'm trying to think though.

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Speaker 1: If Lee played so well, though, there's no reason to

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Speaker 1: play Joe Thomas more, right, But if they liked the

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Speaker 1: way Lee played, and you're worried about vander Esh's, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe he'd takes yea or were you put him out

738
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Speaker 1: there on the nickel if you are worried about how

739
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's been playing on the nickel, because think about it.

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Speaker 1: When he's been on the nickel, he's been lining up

741
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Speaker 1: mostly as a pass rushing right right, And if you've

742
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Speaker 1: got Michael Bennett doing that, maybe Sean Lee gets on

743
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Speaker 1: the field a little more of that way. So maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe the guy maybe maybe one of the two linebackers,

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Speaker 1: maybe more Shawn Lee, maybe more Joe Thomas. Okay, Joe

746
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Speaker 1: Thomas play has played pretty well for this team when

747
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: he's he's given the option, he's been a very valuable guy.

748
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Speaker 1: I do the role he plays. The only other guy

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Speaker 1: I can think of is um Well. I mean we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about it, jar One. Yeah, I want to snap.

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Speaker 1: The first person I thought of was, would anybody think

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Speaker 1: this is gonna sound terrible? Again? Did Darren Thompson do

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Speaker 1: anything for you at safety that I did a nice

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Speaker 1: job playing for Woods in weeks And I know it's

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Speaker 1: I know it's They're not gonna take Jeff Heath off

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Speaker 1: the field. I know that, but we have seen in

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Speaker 1: the past. I mean, I'm asking for something. It's not

758
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Speaker 1: gonna happen with Cavan when JJ Wilcox was here. When

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Speaker 1: guys Earn snaps, they'll play a safety rotation where they're

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Speaker 1: sure it's the third safety playing. Sure is he gonna

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Speaker 1: play strong safety? No? Yeah, that's but he You're right, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: I mean he could play down, but it's probably not

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Speaker 1: the best thing for him. Talk about they talk about

764
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Speaker 1: left hand, right hand, that the spots are kind of interchangeable. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I know you gotta have a different time. See, I

766
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Speaker 1: would I would like to argue for Donovan Wilson, but

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Speaker 1: I know they won't play for They won't play Donovan

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Speaker 1: Wilson over over Thompson. That's been another male bad question

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Speaker 1: for us. Why isn't Wilson playing more? Or they obviously

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Speaker 1: don't trust him? Yeah, that's very well. Could. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's usually the first reason it could be after maybe

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Speaker 1: sometimes can play. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: any Moore. I like Ola Wally a little bit. The

774
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Speaker 1: eye formation they use with a little bit more. It

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Speaker 1: seemed like with Zeke in the last game was effective.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of other names. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Dollar's a good one. Um. Obviously Jordan Lewis

778
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: has taken advantage. He was probably going to continue. Yeah,

779
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna play more. Eric Barry they gave him a

780
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Speaker 1: physical and I got word that that physical did not

781
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Speaker 1: go well. So that's why Eric Barry is not signed

782
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Speaker 1: by the Dallas Cowboys and probably by anybody anybody else. Yeah,

783
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 1: people they're bringing him and then know the his injury

784
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Speaker 1: history with him and stuff like that and cancer survivor

785
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Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, but he's just not he was

786
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: not healthy enough when they brought him in and and

787
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: that's why they they they're not going back that direction.

788
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Speaker 1: Hopefully answers his questions. Yeah, when was that? Was it June?

789
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Speaker 1: It was it just kind of looks yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: it was you know, they were kind of taking a

791
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Speaker 1: look at some guys, and they brought him into kind

792
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Speaker 1: of and I don't know the exact date, but I

793
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Speaker 1: know it was before the season. They were trying to

794
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Speaker 1: see where he was at and he just wasn't ready

795
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Speaker 1: to go, And so they've they've moved on from that

796
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: fair enough. Yeah, I'm trying to think of anybody else

797
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: other players to play. I think we've exhausted the I

798
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: like what you said about the tight end Blake Darwin.

799
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: I liked what you said about that guy. You know,

800
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Speaker 1: I don't have the snaps there. He's probably been getting

801
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: about twenty five thirty snaps a game. I just wish

802
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: they'd find a way to get him the ball more though, too. Yeah,

803
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: because he can make He's capable of making catches and

804
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: making really good catches and getting up the field he does.

805
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I'll say this sounds cliche, but I think there is

806
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: merit to it. They do have so many talented skill

807
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: players on this offense. I mean, if you if you

808
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: throw him a ball, you're not handing it to Zeke,

809
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: or you're not throwing it to Gallop or Tony Pollard

810
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. I mean, there's so many different

811
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: ways they can go with this offense when they're healthy.

812
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: Can I get Devin Smith on the forty six? Can

813
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: Devin Smith give me more than Cedric Wilson? Well, but

814
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Speaker 1: I know why, Yeah, Wilson's there, Yeah, why to help

815
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Speaker 1: in the slot just in case? Yeah, Wilson if they

816
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: if you ask about Wilson, they will tell you. And

817
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've asked Mickey about this because you talked

818
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: to a lot of folks. They will tell you he

819
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: could play all three positions, Yeah, the X, the Z,

820
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then anything else in the slot.

821
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: So that's that's why he knows all the spots, and

822
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: that Devin doesn't know all the spots. Devin's a really

823
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: talented player though. I mean you just remember what he

824
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: did in that Washington game and just haven't really been

825
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: able to kind of get to that. Maybe that was

826
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: a lightning in the bottle moment for him, but he

827
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: kind of showed everybody. Yeah, he hasn't gotten the opportunity

828
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: and gotten the opportunity yet anybody on that we're almost

829
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: wrapped up here. Anybody on this D line and carry

830
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: Hyder well, carry hiders shown up. He's playing up. I mean,

831
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Speaker 1: he's played he'd here's an interesting thing. We got time

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. Okay, here's the list of guys, the tackle list.

833
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Speaker 1: I've got to go all the way to number ten

834
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Speaker 1: to find the first defensive lineman in total tackles. Yeah,

835
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Speaker 1: and it's DeMarcus Lawrence with fourteen. Yeah. Carry Hyder is

836
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Speaker 1: number twelve with eleven. Yeah. To me, all your tackles

837
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: are the linebackers and dbs. And then when you get

838
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: to tackles for loss the leaders, it's a three. It's

839
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: a four way tie with two. What does that tell you? Yeah,

840
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: not getting enough. They're not getting enough. That's a great

841
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Speaker 1: point because we've talked about this and where it's been,

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Speaker 1: it much. We'll see what happens a second half. They

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Speaker 1: need some splash ones in this play. You'd better attack

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Speaker 1: Better find a way to get to him before he

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Speaker 1: gets going. You know, nine tackles for a loss after

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Speaker 1: seven games. That's why Michael Bennett's a Dallas cowboy. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out how he practiced on Friday, our final

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Speaker 1: show any weeks some good things. Absolutely, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Kyle for producing. We'll talk to you on Friday.

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