1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind listener Mail. 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb. 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick. And hey Rob, you're back. 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 3: It's good to have you back. 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: Man. Yeah. Yeah, it was out out for a week there, 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: traveling with family, resetting the brain a little bit. So yeah, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: happy to jump back in with a softball of an episode. 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: Here jumping in with a listener mail. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: Oh boy, Well, if you don't have any issues, I 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 3: guess we should dive right in. 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: I mean I have issues like all of this, but 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: none that really pertain to listener mail. So let's do it. 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 3: Okay, Wait, I almost forgot. At the beginning of these episodes, 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: I give out our listener mail address, so every Monday 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: we read back listener mail. If you've never gotten in 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: touch before, you should give it a shot. Email us 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: at contact at to Blow your Mind dot com. Whatever 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: you want to send us, fair game. But we especially 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: appreciate if you have something interesting to add to a 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: topic we've recently talked about on the show. So this 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: first message we're gonna mention today is actually a follow 23 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 3: up to a previous listener mail. Remember we got the 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: message from Jeremy after our episode on Strange Ice where 25 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: Jeremy sent us some pictures from a tunnel in Switzerland 26 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: that was frozen over. It was either a tunnel or 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 3: a cave that was showing what appeared to be ice stalagmites, 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 3: and we were asking, wait a minute, are these the 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: kind of spike ice formations that we talked about in 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: the Strange Ice episode. Where As a pool of water 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: freezes because of the expansion of water as it makes 32 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: the phase transition to a solid, sometimes it will squeeze 33 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: up out of a hole in the surface of that 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: pool and form like a spike that goes up into 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: the air. Or we were wondering is that the case 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: or was it a gin and stalagmite like the kind 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: that would form in a cave through gradual accretion through dripping, 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 3: and Jeremy has the answer to the question. Jeremy says, Hello, 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 3: Robert and Joe, thank you once again for reading one 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: of my emails. The ice formations are definitely stalagmites in 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: this case, as there are matching stalactites on the roof 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: of the tunnel. Please see attached. These are three to 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 3: ten feet or one to three meters long, and Jeremy 44 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: does indeed include photos for us that are photos of 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: the stalactites dripping from above. These are normal looking icicles, 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: very sharp spikes of ice coming down from the ceiling 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: and then directly below them on the floor are a 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: matching pattern of these ice stalagmites, though interestingly, the ones 49 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: on the ceiling are very sharp and the ones on 50 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: the floor are very rounded and bulbous. Jeremy mentions quote 51 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: the floor lower ice formations remind me of the water 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: probes in nineteen eighty nine's The Abyss, one of our 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: beloved nineteen eighty nine underwater movies. And Jeremy, that comparison 54 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: is spot on. That is exactly what they look like. 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. These are beautiful, very very clear, very crystal clear, 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: not like the some of the formations you find ice 57 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: or otherwise and like you know, sort of industrial settings 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: and subway tunnels and whatnot. Very clear, very glass like. 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: Some of them are shaped like the alien water probes 60 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: from the ABYSS. A few of them are shaped more 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: like Matrioshka dolls. 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: You see that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Now, 63 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: speaking of the ABYSS, Joe. Have you seen The Abyss 64 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: in recent years? I don't know. I've seen it since 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: it came out initially. 66 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: It's been quite a while. I recall liking it when 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: I saw it many years ago, but thinking that maybe 68 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: it was a bit too long and that some of 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: its themes didn't fully cohere, but that it was like 70 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: an admirable, ambitious movie that had some very enjoyable performances 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: in it. 72 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's That's sort of the way I 73 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: hold it up. But again, I haven't watched it in 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: so long. I remember the last time I was looking 75 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: into seeing it, it had not yet been released on 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: Blu Ray, I want to say, or it hadn't been 77 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: hadn't been re released and given the additional care it deserved, 78 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: And I think it has subsequently. I think they even 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: re released it in theaters for like a very limited 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: run in the last year or so. 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: I would be very interested to see it again. I've 82 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: actually more recently seen the trashier eighty nine underwater movies. 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: I've seen Leviathan, who knows how many times? You know, 84 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: Deep Star six, the the Roger Corman one that's just unwatchable. 85 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: Oh oh, I'm blanking on that one Warlords of the Deep. 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe not, but the Yeah, you named the two 87 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: really good ones that are in the wake of the abyss, 88 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: and there are more. 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: All right, let's see, Rob. Do you want to do 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: one of these messages? In response to our series on 91 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 3: the illusion of control? 92 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one comes to us from Brett Brett Wright. 93 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: Senen says, Hello, stuff to blow your mind. Team. I 94 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: really like your research on the illusion of control and 95 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: the comparison of chance versus skill. Control is a topic 96 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: I have thought deeply about and wanted to share a 97 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: little with you to take your topic in a slightly 98 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: different direction. Have you ever wondered how you reached a 99 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: certain point in your life, your life choices, what has 100 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: happened along the way, and realized that a lot of 101 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: what has gotten us to a certain point we really 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: did not have much control over. Control to me is 103 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: a liability that attaches us to certain outcomes that can 104 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: lead to disappointment as well as satisfaction. Personally, I've learned 105 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: to just let life happen, and I have seen it 106 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: lower my anxiety and improve my mental health. By not 107 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: having so many expectations, I find life more enjoyable and 108 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 2: less stressful podcast called Inner Cosmos, where the host, Professor Eagleman, 109 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: discussed a similar topic on control and how the brain 110 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: runs simulations about outcomes that are possible. I found it 111 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: interesting because of how the brain likes to make predictions 112 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: similar to the examples you guys used in chance situations, 113 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 2: and how we like to control outcomes. Always a pleasure, 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: have a good day, Brett. 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: Oh, Brett, Well, we have had, as you say, Professor 116 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: Eagleman on this podcast before. David Eagleman was a guest. 117 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: Well when was that sometime last year? 118 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and right as he was launching the Inner Cosmos podcast, 119 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: we had him on to talk about that, and I 120 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: believe he was on a year or two prior to 121 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: that as well, during the height of the pandemic, podcasting 122 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: from the Closet days and so forth. 123 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, so his podcast is called Inner Cosmos if 124 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: you want to go check that out. But I agree 125 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: that there is a lot of overlap between the idea 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: of prediction and what we mean when we say control. 127 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: Control is one of those it's one of those very 128 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: tricky words. In fact, like another word that'll come up, 129 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: I think in the next email we're about to discuss 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: where it's like we think we know what we mean 131 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: when we say it, but actually the closer we examine it, 132 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: the more difficult it becomes, and the more it seems like, 133 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: I don't know if we're really agreeing on what we 134 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: mean when we use this word. But yeah, at least 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: part of the idea of control is an action having 136 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 3: some kind of not just physical causation connection with an outcome, 137 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 3: but a predictable physical causation connection with an outcome. That 138 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: there's like a way that you could have seen in 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: advance that this action would result in a certain outcome, 140 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: and that that seems to have a big overlap with 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: what we think of as control. 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the bigger question here. Yeah, you 143 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: really get into the quagmire of human consciousness when you 144 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: start picking this apart, you know, and asking well, how 145 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: much control did I ever have in reaching this point 146 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: in my life? And what control was in place, what 147 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: choices were made? Were those made by me or they 148 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: made by some other person that I used to be 149 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: And you can really get lost in all of that, 150 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: and in ways that maybe doesn't reduce anxiety. Though in 151 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: the end, I would say that like the idea of 152 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: sort of letting go of a lot of that and 153 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: living in the moment, as they say, is perhaps the 154 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: better direction to go in. There's actually a great quote 155 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: from Cormack McCarthy and Cities of the Plane that goes 156 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: as follows. Quote, he said, a long time and he 157 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: thought about his life and how little of it he 158 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: could ever have foreseen, And he wondered, for all his 159 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: will and all his intent, how much of it was 160 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: his doing. That one has always resonated with me. So yeah, 161 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: when I think about these these quagmires of consciousness, I'll 162 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: often envision some sort of stoic cowboy from one of 163 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: Cormick McCarthy's novels, staring off into the middle distance, trying 164 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 2: to figure out who he is and how he got 165 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 2: where he is, and indeed where he is going in life. 166 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: Well, on a similar topic, the next message comes from Chris. 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: Chris says Robert and Joe in response to the illusion 168 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: of control. Episodes mostly focused on psychology studies of people's 169 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: feeling they had control of various circumstances. Listener John's comment 170 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: prompted Joe to expand the idea of quote, where's the 171 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: clear evidence that my conscious will is in the driver's seat. 172 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: I had been wondering if the series was headed in 173 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: that direction, but it might really deserve one of your 174 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: signature dives into the deep subject of free will versus determinism. 175 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 3: Maybe you can get interviews with, or get into the 176 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: writings of Daniel Dinnett, philosopher and cognitive scientist, and Sean Carroll, 177 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 3: theoretical physicist and philosopher. Meanwhile, since your latest Weird House 178 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 3: Cinema episode with Flash Gordon has fueled yet more of 179 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: my descent into nostalgia, even though it came out only 180 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: forty four years ago, I'll continue to compile a list 181 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: of suggestions, including a comment or two, for future episodes. 182 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: Due to my keen editing skills and overwhelming modesty, I 183 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: should be able to keep it under novel length. Chris Well, 184 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: thank you for the message. Chris, So, the issue of 185 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 3: free will has come up on the show in recent years, 186 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: and we have also talked about both Daniel Dinnett and 187 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: Sean Carroll. That we haven't talked about Sean in the 188 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: context of free will, just stuff in his main field 189 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: of astrophysics and cosmology. I don't think I was aware 190 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: he had extensive thoughts about free will, but I'd be 191 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: interested in his thoughts. I guess I know. Daniel Dinnett 192 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: has long been considered what is called a compatible list, 193 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: meaning someone who believes that our behavior is wholly determined 194 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: by antecedent physical causes, so that is what is sometimes 195 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 3: called determinist position, but also believes this is fully compatible 196 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 3: with the existence of something called free will. So it's 197 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: just the belief that determinism and free will are actually 198 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: not in conflict. It's been a while since I've refreshed 199 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: my mind deeply on this topic, but what I've said 200 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: on the show in the past is that when somebody 201 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: claims that humans have free will, it's not that I 202 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: think they're wrong. It's that I think the concept is 203 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: poorly defined, and thus it's not even necessarily clear what 204 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: they're talking about. If you want to hear a deeper 205 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: discussion of this, I remember we did a big segment 206 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: on free will in our episode about the Black Mirror 207 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 3: episode Bandersnatch, actually, so you can go back and find 208 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: that one. We got into a lot more detail about 209 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: what philosophers have said about this, and some cognitive science 210 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 3: and neuroscience research that might inform our opinions on it 211 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: and then what our own thoughts were. But in short, 212 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm in to say that I have a partially kind 213 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: of early Wittgenstein take on free will, which is that 214 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 3: probably not all, but most of the debates about free 215 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: will are just confusions that arise from unclear use of language. 216 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: And if you could like sit everybody down and force 217 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: them to be like really excruciatingly specific about exactly what 218 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: they're saying, I'm not sure which disagreements would still remain 219 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: after that process. I think it's one of those cases 220 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: where like language and imprecise use of language is causing 221 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: a ton of confusion, like what do people mean when 222 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: they say free what do people mean when they talk 223 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: about control? And so forth? I think people are equivocating 224 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: on these terms, using them and to mean different things 225 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 3: even though it's the same word. 226 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point. And yeah, 227 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: we've talked about this a number of times in the 228 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: show in the past, and I'm sure we'll come back 229 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: to it. Of course, from my that we talked about 230 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: this with author R. Scott Baker at one point as well. 231 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: Who I don't want to sum him up by saying 232 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: that he's a determinist, but I will say that in 233 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: his maybe and I just maybe I'm not remembering correctly, 234 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: but I do know that in his fiction work there 235 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: is certainly a determinist trend with his characters. Like most 236 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: of his characters are sort of trapped and they are, 237 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: you know, shackled to the darkness that comes before. And 238 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: you have only certain characters who, through you know, fictional 239 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: fantasy means and in one of his other books sci 240 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: fi means, have sort of unshackled themselves from the past 241 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: and become true free spirits in a way in their world. 242 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: And then you know, what does that mean for a world? 243 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: And what does that mean for a character if you 244 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: actually have something like one hundred percent control over what 245 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: your choices and decisions are. 246 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting playing with like variable levels of whatever 247 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: your understanding of free will is in characters in fiction, 248 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: and like how that would affect how we perceive them 249 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: as characters. 250 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And and ultimately he ends up landing on 251 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: this model by which a character with true free will 252 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: is ultimately going to be someone that is more or 253 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: less than human, depending on how you look at it 254 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: like they are no longer creatures that we can fully 255 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: relate to. But I but Baker also is one who easily, 256 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: you know, drives home that there is a lot of 257 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: like illusion and self illusion going on in consciousness. And yeah, 258 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: you know, even if even if we don't even if 259 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 2: you were to say we don't have any free will, 260 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: if we have the illusion of free will, well that's 261 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: part of the illusion that makes life livable. That that's 262 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: part of the illusion that makes up our entire world 263 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: that we build around ourselves. 264 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: I guess another way to articulate my position is like 265 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: I it's not that I do or don't think we 266 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: have free will. Uh. I guess this technically would make 267 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: me some sort of compatibileist. But I don't necessarily see 268 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 3: how it would make me any freer if there were 269 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: some way in which my behavior were not influenced by 270 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: preceding causes, you know, like if if I wasn't physically 271 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: if my behavior were not physically determined, why would that 272 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: be more free? 273 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Like I said, you can chase your tails and 274 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: circles over this one. You know what, what other choice 275 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: would you make being what you are? And vice versa. 276 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: It's at the end of the day. You can sort 277 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: of have those moments. In my opinion, you can have 278 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: those moments stand it, staring off into the end of 279 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: the middle distance, having those deep cowboy thoughts. But then 280 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: you got to poke the fire a little bit, right, 281 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: You've got to You got to get down to some 282 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: cowboy business and move on. 283 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: All right. You want to do some weird house cinema messages. 284 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. Okay. This first one comes to 285 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: us from Paul on the subject of Blacula. Paul says, 286 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: it was nice to have a movie that is available 287 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: on a streaming service that is easily accessible. Yes, side note, 288 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: we always try and drive home to what extent a 289 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: film is available for viewing. And yeah, sometimes they're a 290 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: little hard to get your hands on. Sometimes it's more 291 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: of a physical media search, but sometimes, as with Blacula, 292 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: it's widely available in digital format anyway. Paul continues, I 293 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: watched it on the one named after a rainforest in 294 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: South America. That does narrow the possibilities. Many movies you 295 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: recommend are difficult to find. Yes, I am reading the 296 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: book Crook Manifesto by Coulson Whitehead, and a character Zippo 297 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: summarizes Blacula and is inspired by it to produce direct 298 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: a bl exploitation movie of his own. Thank you for 299 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: merging so many areas of science culture and science fiction. 300 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate the podcast. 301 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, Paul. That's a cool connection. Coulson Whitehead 302 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: a lot of people probably know from his twenty sixteen 303 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: novel The Underground Railroad. Ah yes, okay, yeah, so thank 304 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 3: you Paul. 305 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: All right. 306 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: Another short message. This is from Luisa, who says, Hi, 307 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: Robin Joe, I recently finished The Brother's Son series and 308 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: some of the characters were watching this movie, which I 309 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 3: thought would be would interest you for weird house Jim Katta, 310 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: It's completely absurd, as she links to the wiki entry 311 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: if maybe a little too violent anyway, let me know 312 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 3: if it makes the list best regards, Luisa, I only 313 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 3: have the vaguest awareness of this movie, but it does 314 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: pique my interest. 315 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, My interest was also recently picked on this 316 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: because my wife and I also watched The Brother's Son, 317 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: which is a mini series on Netflix, which is in 318 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: and of itself very fun if you want to slightly 319 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: comedic in places martial arts action adventure story. But yeah, 320 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: there's an episode where you have some hinchmen that are 321 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: setting around watching Jim Kotta getting excited about Jim Kotta, 322 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: then having to explain Jim Kotta to another character, and 323 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: then one of the henchmen is like, yes, it's my 324 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: dream to pull off this one Jim Kotta move in 325 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 2: an actual battle. I will not spoil it whether he 326 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: does or not. 327 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: So what the premise is, It's something like it's like 328 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: a gymnast slash martial artist, Like his martial arts kicks 329 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: and stuff are gymnast moves, like working the pommel horse 330 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: and everything. 331 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definite pommel horse action in there. And the 332 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: star is Kurt Thomas, who was an American Olympic gymnast, 333 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: and so you know, it has a lot of things 334 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: going for I've never watched it in full, but yeah, 335 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: you have a non actor gymnast extraordinaire jumping in to 336 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: a an action flick that is very gymnastics centric in 337 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: its execution. And you have some other names there, like 338 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: Conan Lee is in there. We've I think he was 339 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: in The Eliminators, a film that we watched on Weird 340 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: House in the past. It has just a wild following 341 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: so it may be one we'll have to visit in 342 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: the future. 343 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: I think I've mentioned this before, but my wife Rachel 344 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 3: is really into the Olympics. Whenever they're on, and I 345 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: don't remem remember if it's summer or winter the one 346 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: that has gymnastics, but whichever it is, so we sometimes 347 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: end up watching some gymnastics. And I got to say, 348 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 3: as a non sports fan, gymnastics are the most impressive 349 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: sport to me. Seeing what people gymnastics is like, it's 350 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: the closest thing I've ever seen to people appearing to 351 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: actually have superpowers, Like you just cannot fathom how they're 352 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: doing what they're doing. 353 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is always exciting how some of like the 354 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: really amazing moments, and of course high level gymnastics is 355 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: full of NonStop amazing moments. But those those really amazing 356 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: moments are also so short in length that they inevitably 357 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: make it out, you know, in social media, late night television, 358 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: and so forth. So even if you're not an Olympics 359 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: watcher an Olympics fan, you inevitably end up seeing some 360 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: of those amazing feats. And I guess sometimes film producers 361 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: see them as well, and they're like We've got to 362 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: get this individual in our movie, and I think we 363 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: should see more of that, just in general with Olympic competitors, 364 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: more b movies starring Olympians. 365 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: Please, what other Olympic events could you turn into a 366 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: type of martial arts? Could there be like diving martial arts? 367 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 3: Could there be what that what's it called the beach 368 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: volleyball martial arts? 369 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely all of these are fair game, especially if 370 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: the individual in question is maybe is not an experienced actor. 371 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: It's completely green because there's something great about like that, 372 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 2: you know, like the the excellence in one area crossing 373 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 2: over into the lack of experience in the other area, 374 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: which is just. 375 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 3: You know, a prime prime zone for b sim curling katta. Yeah, anyway, 376 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: thank you for the suggestion, Luisa. This this will go 377 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: on the list at least for us to check out. 378 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: May pop up in the future. 379 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: All right, This next one comes to us from Tim. 380 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: Tim says, Hey, Fellows, I was listening to the rewind 381 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: episode of Weird House about scanners. You two were making 382 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: some pretty understandably snarky comments about a dumb plot line 383 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: around hacking through a payphone. It is an absurd thought, 384 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 2: but I want to bring your attention to Kevin Mitnick, 385 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 2: who is one of the country's most notorious hackers and freakers. 386 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: That's with a pH if you're not familiar with the term. 387 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: After finally being caught, he was left in solitary confinement 388 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: for eight months because the federal prosecutor convinced the judge 389 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: that Mittnick could hack into Norad by whistling into the phone. 390 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: If you've not read up about Kevin Mitnick, he has 391 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: some really fascinating stories and some really scary stories about 392 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: social engineering his way past some pretty secure doors. He 393 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: died recently, but one of his last books, called Ghost 394 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: in the Wires, was my favorite. The Statute of Limitations 395 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: ran out on a bunch of his Shenanigans, and so 396 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: that book was a good deal less guarded. So did 397 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: the Scanners influence the federal prosecutors on Mittnick's case? Was 398 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: Scanners the reason they thought Kevin could do this. This 399 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: movie was fourteen years old when he was sentenced. So 400 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 2: did this movie hit the prosecutors in the formidable years 401 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: of their childhood. It's a scary thought of life imitating art. 402 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: Always love your stuff, Tim. 403 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 3: Wow, I would not have made that connection but that 404 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: is really good tim. 405 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I had totally forgotten about phone freakers 406 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: when we were rewatching scanners for Weird House Cinema. But yeah, 407 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: now that it's been brought up, this had to have 408 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: been a connection one way or another, Like that plot 409 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: choice makes more sense if this is in sort of 410 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: the Zeitgei story, at least, you know, in the heads 411 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: of the screenwriters at the time. 412 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely got whistling into the phone to hack 413 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: into Nora Ad. Yeah. They thought he could, like he 414 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 3: could like mimic the sounds of a touchtone telephone to 415 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: launch nuclear weapons. 416 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and if that is at all on 417 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: the table, then yeah it can. How about psyching individuals 418 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: merging with computers? Why not? Why not? 419 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? I guess the question is did they really think 420 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: he could do that or were they just claiming it? 421 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: But one could imagine being legitimately afraid even if such 422 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: a thing were not in fact possible. 423 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have one last note here. This 424 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 2: is in the Weird House realm. In my travels over 425 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: the last week, I had a long flight out and 426 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: back with my family, and so I was trying to 427 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 2: like download some stuff to watch and see if stuff 428 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 2: is appropriate for weird House if it's a good fit. 429 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 2: This is one that was not a good fit, but 430 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: I watched nineteen eighty six. Is the Wind. This is 431 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: a Nico Masdaurakas film. This is a Greek car thriller 432 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: starring Meg Foss in the lead. So you get a 433 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 2: lot of Meg Foster and those you know, hypnotic eyes 434 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: of hers, and then you have David McCallum is in it, 435 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: and then you have wings Hauser playing the villain. This 436 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: is from the director of that Island of Death Greek 437 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: car movie that we talked about in the past, which 438 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 2: I didn't realize until I was a good way into 439 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: watching the film. The film is not worth seeking out, 440 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: I will say it is unless you really are interested. 441 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: It's very watchable. There's nothing really objectionable about it. If 442 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: you're a big wings Hauser fan, definitely view it, you know, 443 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of wings Hauser being and being 444 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 2: a crazy American in this movie. But ultimately in the end, 445 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think there's enough interesting stuff 446 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: going on here for weird house consideration. 447 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: Is it kind of more in the Land of the 448 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: Minotaur direction? 449 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there are lots of beautiful scenes of old 450 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: Greek ruins and so forth. There's a lot of like 451 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: low plotting stuff with Meg Foster's character in one of 452 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: these buildings, and then uh, oh, what's wings Houser up to? 453 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 2: Is he going to turn out to be a maniac 454 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: or not? Of course he's going to turn up to 455 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: be a maniac. Hired wings Hauser for the role. But 456 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 2: it's still fun. But it's just I would say it's 457 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: it's slower than I would like for a weird house 458 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: cinema a selection. 459 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: Well, wouldn't be our first low ride, but but yeah, 460 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: I appreciate the pre screening. 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